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Feb. 14, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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There's No Such Thing as "Transgender" — A Conversation with Kara Dansky
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The Reality of Biological Sex 00:15:24
Hey everybody, Kara Dansky.
She is a self-described radical feminist.
And we have an amazing conversation on TBN, Trinity Broadcasting Network, around how transgenderism isn't even a thing.
She just doesn't exist.
We probably disagree on a lot politically, but I have to say she is so incredibly compelling.
Karadansky.com is her website.
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Hey, everybody, welcome back.
We are joined by someone that I was so moved by when I saw a segment for Conversation with Tucker Carlson, Kara Dansky, a self-described radical feminist.
Is that fair?
Yes, absolutely.
And you have some opinions on this transgender topic.
I do, I do.
And I write all about them in a book called The Abolition of Sex, How the Transgender Agenda Harms Women and Girls.
So what's wrong with the transgender movement?
Why would a radical feminist care about that?
Yeah, so, I mean, radical feminism is all about protecting the rights, privacy, and safety of women and girls.
And we cannot do that as a movement if we cannot define the category of women and girls to exclude males.
So I'm just so interested in this because it's rare to be able to talk to somebody like you because I've been saying, where are the feminists?
Yeah.
Where are the feminists?
And especially when you talk about this whole transgender issue, it would probably be the one group that should be the most vocal about this issue.
Why is there a large amount of silence when it comes to this from most of the institutional feminist groups?
Right.
It's a really good question.
And Senator Paul, when he was questioning Dr. Levine to be Assistant Secretary of Health at HHS, asked that very question.
Where are the feminists?
And it's a reasonable question because you wouldn't have heard of us because most mainstream media outlets will not talk about us.
The New York Times will not talk about us.
The Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, none of them will platform leftist, feminist, gay rights critiques of gender identity.
And just so you know, I don't call it the transgender agenda.
I just call it fighting for women and girls.
Yes.
So why shouldn't we call it the transgender dilemma ratio or whatever?
So I write about in the last chapter of my book how several decades ago out of the academy, out of coming out of postmodernism, there was something called queer theory.
And what queer theory essentially did was it decided that biological sex is not a binary.
And it wanted to make that mainstream.
But if it tried to go mainstream by telling average ordinary American citizens across the political spectrum that sex isn't real, it would have failed spectacularly because all Americans know how babies are made.
And so they made up a word.
And the word that they made up is transgender.
And that word has done a remarkable job in persuading Americans, again, across the political spectrum, that there is some discrete, coherent category of people called transgender people who are somehow neither male nor female.
And it's just not true.
So you answered one of my questions because I grew up in a world where queer was a bad word.
You weren't supposed to say that, but now it's a theory.
Can you help explain that?
No, that's an excellent point.
So it was considered a slur.
that was used against lesbians and gay men.
And then a lot of lesbian and gay men, gay men's groups wanted to reclaim it.
But today, and I know that it might be difficult to believe, but there are a lot of lesbians and gay men who are saying no to including the T in the LGBT acronym.
And they're very frustrated because for lesbians and gay men, biological sex is really relevant.
You can't protect same-sex attraction if there's no such thing as actual sex.
And so they're pushing back on it.
And those lesbians and gay men in particular are also reminding everyone exactly what you just said.
Hey, there was a time when queer was a slur.
Yeah, and that's what's so confusing kind of as an onlooker is that the whole idea of the gay movement was, you know, man and man, but then being able to define those terms.
And so how are we got to a place where even defining the terms kind of sows confusion?
If I could give one example, Apple iPhone says men could get pregnant.
Right.
Just to be clear, lesbians were a huge part of the movement too.
It wasn't just men and men.
No, of course.
I don't mean it.
No, I know you know that.
So the whole notion of pregnant men or pregnant people, which sadly some members of the United States Congress say, I would argue it is meant to confuse Americans.
It is meant to make us forget that biological sex is grounded in material reality.
If we can all be persuaded that men can get pregnant, then all of a sudden femaleness has been made distinct from pregnancy in our minds.
Even though we all know it's not true, they're working really hard to persuade us that it is.
Yeah, and so you have something on your shirt.
Just can you explain that really quickly?
It's super interesting.
So my shirt says woman, noun, adult, human, female.
And just very quickly, this became a thing when in 2018, a woman in the United Kingdom named Kelly J. Keene put a poster proclaiming that on a big sign in Liverpool, England.
And someone decided that that was offensive.
The dictionary definition of woman is offensive and successfully campaigned to have it removed.
So she didn't like that.
And so she started an organization called Standing for Women, which markets stuff like this, t-shirts, umbrellas, pens, all sorts of things.
And she's very much about standing up for the rights, privacy, and safety of women and girls.
And I also just want to say, because your listeners have no reason to know this, opposition to gender identity in the UK is mainly coming from rank and file members of the Labor Party.
And their media will talk about it.
Here, most of the opposition to gender identity is coming from the right, or appears to be coming from the right.
Certainly in Congress, that's true, and in state legislatures.
But there are rank-and-file Democrats all over the country who are so fired up and angry about this, but they don't get a voice because the media will not cover our angle.
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So let's talk about just some specific incidents, and you could go wherever you want with it and kind of connect it with the national theme.
The University of Pennsylvania swimmer.
This is an individual who was born a biological male, who is now competing as a female, winning every record possible.
How did we get to a place where we were supposed to accept Jenner on the front page of Vanity Fair, so all of a sudden now we really don't have female sports anymore?
So I went to UPenn Law, so this one is personal for me.
I think it's perfectly fine to say that Leah Thomas is a man.
We can just start there.
We don't have to.
It's hate speech.
Right.
I mean, but well, this is a frustration.
You know, you mentioned media.
A frustration that I have with a lot of conservative media is there'll be headlines in conservative media that say transgender swimmer.
You're right.
Transgender athlete.
And we don't have to do that.
We can just say that Leah Thomas is a man.
It's okay.
It's fine.
And in fact, I would argue it's critical for the reason we were talking about earlier.
We have to stay grounded in the material reality of biological sex.
And if we refer to Leah Thomas as anything other than a man, then that creates some questions in our own minds.
And I think that's really dangerous.
So the Leah Thomas, man, your word, I agree, competing in this sport, maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't seen the institutional outrage that I thought I would see.
You're not wrong.
I mean, the NCAA has completely sold out women and girls on this.
When Thomas was competing, I believe the rule was that a male swimmer had to have taken testosterone suppression for one year before competing on a women's team.
I think that was the rule.
It has since changed and gotten worse.
But the idea that a man can suppress testosterone for one year and then thereby compete on the women's team is so insulting to women and girls.
We are not men with less testosterone.
We're actually complete human beings.
Yes, that's such an important point.
So that doesn't satisfy you because that's an argument I get from some of the activists.
I'll go to a campus, I'll talk about the, they say, no, no, Charlie, they'll go through surgery, they'll take hormone blockers, all these different things, and then they kind of magically become a woman.
It doesn't redesign the chromosomes unless there's some technology I'm unaware of.
Does that argument convince you?
Do you mean specifically with respect to sports?
Yeah, like sports, for example.
Yeah, just that.
Like they become a woman if they go through this surgical process and they take these drugs or all these different things.
No.
I mean, first of all, the NCAA's rule really was just about one year of testosterone suppression.
That's it.
It's being reported that Thomas has made no other changes to his body and is changing in the women's locker room.
But even if Thomas did make all those changes, no, he's still a man.
And they lose their mind when you say that.
And I guess your argument is regardless of how much effort or technology you apply to your material reality with how you're born, it doesn't matter.
Right.
I mean, people can wear whatever they want.
People can have whatever hairstyles they want.
I am not in favor of people taking medically unnecessary cosmetic surgeries or extremely harmful hormones.
I'm not a fan of that.
If an adult wants to do that, there's nothing I can do to get in their way.
I don't think they ought to be doing that.
But if they want to do that, that's okay.
But that doesn't mean that anyone changes sex.
And so adults are one thing, but it's going to children now.
It already is, yes.
Talk about, talk about that.
It's awful.
Children are being taught in schools as early, as far as I'm aware, as early as kindergarten, that you can either be a girl or a boy.
It's up to you.
And a lot of times we're seeing incidents where parents, I'm sorry, teachers are doing what's called socially transitioning kids, which is referring to the kid by a different name, opposite sex pronouns, using the kid, letting the kid use the opposite sex bathrooms without parental knowledge.
So these kids are gravely confused.
And of course, once these kids are told that they can be either a girl or a boy, you plant that idea in a kid's mind.
A kid's going to want to do that.
And so our young people are being put on puberty blockers using off-label uses.
I don't know if you would like me to say more about that.
So puberty blockers were invented to address a condition called precocious puberty.
This is a condition experienced by some very small number of children where they enter puberty at a time when they're not emotionally or psychologically prepared to do so before their peers are.
So it's very confusing for them.
So doctors will delay puberty and these drugs exist and are approved by the FDA for that purpose.
But now children who are actually entering puberty are being prescribed puberty blockers so that they do not have to go through their correct sex puberty.
And it's awful.
We do not know the long-term consequences of these drugs, except that we do know that a lot of these kids are getting sterilized at an age at which they ought not to be able to consent to such a thing.
It's really terrible.
So in the state of Oregon, you can get sexual reassignment surgery, chemical castration, whatever you want to call it, without parental consent funded by taxpayers.
That's my understanding.
I think at the age of 15.
That's correct.
Yeah.
Which is a minor.
Yeah.
And it's an extraordinary thing.
Most parents don't even know that exists.
So I want to talk about another kind of wrinkle of this, which is a lawsuit in California that is alleging a parent that the teachers were actually recruiting her daughter to become a man.
So is there a concerted effort to like increase the population of transgender people?
Well, see, so first of all, I just have to ask you what you mean by the category transgender.
You're right.
My language isn't as precise as it should be to increase the gender confusion, to increase.
Yes.
Okay, you're right.
My language should have been more precise.
I was using a sloppy term.
Absolutely.
That is absolutely a very deliberate part of this whole agenda.
There's another lawsuit happening in California, if I could just mention briefly.
The Women's Liberation Front, on whose board I served from 2016 to 2020, is suing the state for its explicit policy, which Governor Newsom enacted in 2020, to allow convicted male prisoners and rapists to be housed in women's prisons on the basis of their so-called gender identity.
I do not understand why this is not a national scandal.
And it's happening now.
And women are rapping.
Yes.
Governor Newsom signed it in 2020.
It took effect in 2021.
There have been hundreds of applications filed for male convicted prisoners and rapists to be housed in the women's prison with vulnerable women, many of whom have themselves been victims of sex.
So this is not like a guy convicted of male fraud.
And I would oppose it.
I mean, it could be.
But it's a rapist that could potentially be transitioned to a woman's prison.
And it's not just California.
That's where the lawsuit is pending.
In Washington State, not pursuant to state law, but pursuant to the Department of Corrections policy.
There is a man who goes by the name Princess who was convicted, who was convicted of raping a 12-year-old girl being held in the women's prison.
Most Americans have no idea that this is happening.
This is a man who sodomized a minor who is in a woman's prison.
Feminist Consequences and Prison Policy 00:09:08
Right now.
Right now.
Literally this minute.
And there are, I want to say eight or nine other men being housed in Washington prisons.
But please do not write this off as the lunacy left, you know, in California and Washington.
It's happening all over the country.
Most states have policies that allow this in some form or another.
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So I want to ask you a couple things about that.
And I hate to use these terms right and left because they're so kind of undefined, if you will.
But kind of what has your speculation as to why this is such a high priority in the kind of cultural hierarchy?
I mean, the aggression, the velocity that this movement is moving at is so disproportionate from actually the people that are either involved, personally involved in it.
It seems as if there's pharmaceutical companies that are pushing this.
What do you think is the reason this is such a high priority to get implemented everywhere and have children believe it and all sorts of things?
I mean, I think you hit on something when you said pharma, right?
I mean, who benefits from putting a lifetime's worth of young people on a lifetime's worth of hormones?
There's a man named John Stryker who stands to inherit from a medical supply company, right?
This is a multi-jillion dollar medical supply company that benefits from encouraging a lot of people to get medically unnecessary cosmetic surgeries.
He is heir to that company, and he goes all over the place encouraging the quote-unquote LGBTQ agenda.
He recently gave the ACLU $15 million in a one-time grant in March of 2021 to push LGBTQ.
However, we have to understand that the ACLU does very little actual gay rights advocacy anymore.
But they're very big into that particular issue.
Now, go to their website.
It's all over.
Yes.
And it is very deliberate.
Whatever you might think about it, the gay rights movement was very successful in this country.
And it was a very deliberate and intelligent strategy on the part of this other movement to attach itself to the LGB.
Because if you ask a lot of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people if they find any common ground with TQIAA, whatever.
Nobody does.
But they will say no.
They will say no.
That is not, I don't know what that is, but that is not us.
That is not me trying to fight for my rights as a same-sex attracted person.
So what's your experience been since you've decided to speak out and like go on Tucker Carlson and dare talk to the American right personally or just kind of organizationally?
What's your experience with that been?
Yeah, so I mentioned I was on the board of Women's Liberation Front from 2016 to 2020.
Now I'm the president of the U.S. chapter of Women's Declaration International, which anyone can find at women'sdeclarationusa.com.
And this is really all that I work on all the time.
But I was part of the American so-called progressive criminal justice reform movement for about 20 years.
I worked at the ACLU between 2012 and 2014.
I've been doing this almost exclusively since around 2016 or 17 or so.
And I've lost a lot of people in my life.
I basically can't get work in the criminal justice reform community anymore.
Really?
Yeah.
Because I have said publicly that men aren't women.
That's where we are.
And it just seems, why do they care so much about that, though?
It's just, and maybe it's a speculation, right?
You obviously have the resume, right?
You've kind of done the work to show that you're on team left, but they're like, nope, you say this thing.
You're out.
You're done.
You're off the island.
Yeah, right.
It must make you just kind of puzzled, I guess.
Yeah, it is.
It's very puzzling.
And I've lost, I've lost like my best friend of 30 years.
Like she's really mad at me about this.
And so she doesn't speak to me anymore.
Like this is just the reality of what happens when you are a feminist on the left and you start to speak out about these things.
You lose your career.
You can lose friends and family.
I know a lot of people who have lost jobs.
I know a woman who has been charged with a crime for putting a sticker up in a public area in her town that had a feminist, it said turf collective.
Don't worry about what that means.
But a lot of people know that that is a, that's radical feminist messaging and she was charged with the crime.
That's another issue.
There are free speech issues we haven't even gotten into.
But yeah, no, women have lost jobs.
I know a ton of women who have been, and men, but mostly women, who have been disciplined at their jobs, mostly in academia, but outside academia too.
I know a woman who lost her job with her progressive art community in New York City.
This is routine for women on the left who speak out.
What I find so fascinating is you're a radical feminist.
I'm a Christian conservative.
And we both so agree on this because we believe in material reality.
And it's just kind of this interesting fusion moment, I suppose, of one of the top kind of priorities of this kind of cultural moment that we live in.
In closing, what can people do?
You said something so persuasive on Tucker's show.
You said, do not use the term.
It is not a real term.
What can be done?
What's the battle plan?
Well, that was a great segue.
I have a present for you and your team.
So if you want to read what these say, I'm going to read these.
I made these.
I got so frustrated one day.
I sat down at my laptop and I just made these.
You can do this for the cost of however long it takes you to make a Word document on your laptop and print it out or go to FedEx, which is what I did in my case.
Hand these out, leave them around, put them on community billboards.
This is what I've been doing.
Can I read it?
It says, there's no such thing as transgender.
It's okay to say so.
And you don't have to use preferred pronouns either.
Pass it on.
Hand them out.
You know?
Spread the word.
Spread the word.
I really honestly think that if people could get this message and feel empowered to say that and to share that with another one of their colleagues or friends, we can do this.
And it's going to take Americans across the political aisle.
I'm absolutely right.
I totally agree with you.
Yes.
And so just, you know, in closing here, moms and dads are confused.
They're sending these kids to schools.
Basically, the point of this, though, I think what you're getting at, besides the actual brilliance of the messaging, is like, you got to be willing to kind of break some glass here.
Yeah.
Right.
You've got to be willing to cross the orthodoxy, the pieties that they sent out for you.
Is that right?
Yeah.
And the other thing that I like about this is that it's just communicating human being to human being.
It's not like examining the various provisions of the Supreme Court cases that talk about this or the weird provisions of the so-called Equality Act.
This is just a person talking to a person saying, hey, like we can have this conversation.
It's okay.
Yeah, it's actually essential.
The whole civilization falls apart if we don't.
And I just want to thank you.
You're such a persuasive voice on this.
And I have been looking and looking and looking for feminists to start to rise up on this issue.
Because I grew up in suburbs of Chicago around a lot of feminist activists that were always telling me there were differences between men and women.
I always agreed with them.
And I'm like, where are they right now?
Well, you're one, you're courageous, and you make such persuasive arguments.
So, how could people follow you by your book, your website, any of that?
So, The Abolition of Sex, How the Transgender Agenda Harms Women and Girls is available both on Amazon and on Barnes Noble for anyone who doesn't want to buy off Amazon.
That's fine.
You can find us at women'sdeclarationusa.com.
You can find me at kara dansky.com and on Twitter at at kdansky.
Thank you so much.
And it's these interesting times really build these fun alliances.
So, thank you so much.
Definitely.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
God bless you.
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God bless.
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