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Jan. 20, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Unraveling a Generational Descent into Chaos with Heather Mac Donald
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Three Boxes for Conservatives 00:11:50
Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, Heather McDonald joins this show and we go through a study of why are so many young people going to the left.
There are three boxes that need to be checked that create more conservative citizens that are not happening.
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I want to get to a story here from Axios.
America's youth turn left.
So it says basically this: which is that back in 2016, about 36% of young people were Republican, and about 55% would identify as Democrat.
And now in the last four years, 60% of America's young people are Democrat and 36% are Republican.
And the Axios piece goes through to say that there is a generational issue happening with young people and with the potential issues that Republicans have to face.
Also shows another graph that shows that U.S. presidential election turnout among voters 18 through 29 has skyrocketed.
And obviously it skyrocketed in 2020 because the Center for Technology and Civic Life and all of the propagandists used the mail-in balloting scheme to artificially boost voter turnout to their preferred and to their, let's say, advantageous political groups, political demographics and political voting groups.
So now about 53% of voters 18 to 29 vote.
Now we go through a lot of these sort of different studies.
I find them interesting.
Being 28 years old, there is kind of a generational bridge I think that needs to kind of be built at times.
It says here, John Della Volpe, polling director at Harvard Kennedy Institute of Politics, says, quote, generational replacement will not be kind to Trump's Republican Party.
Della Volpe will be out tomorrow with quote fight, how Generation Z is channeling their fear and passion to save America, digging into the mindset of the 70 million young Americans born beginning in the mid-1990s.
That's basically me, isn't it?
I'm 1993.
It's very close.
I'm right on the edge.
And then this gives it all away.
Della Volpe says, quote, they are the most diverse and most educated generation in history.
Okay, who cares about the diverse thing?
Educated.
Obviously, they're the most stupid generation in American history because they all went to college, obviously.
And this will really be the defining mark that their parents left on society, which is a generation of well-meaning parents sent their kids, sent their bloodline, sent their future generation, whatever you want to call it, to college, their legacy.
Thank you, Andrew, to college, and basically they're declaring war on the previous generation's values.
But this is no mistake.
This is all by design.
So life is a series of events.
In fact, the article even acknowledges that.
Here it is.
Life is a series of events.
And so the article says that there are five events that shaped this rising block.
By the way, I think Axios did a pretty good job of keeping this fact-based.
I don't think they were, at times they could be a little on edge, but I think they were fine.
And so they say there were five events that shaped this rising block.
I think most of this, I think three or four of these things are nonsense.
I think one or two is actually pretty smart.
Number one, they say Occupy Wall Street started millennial-led discussions about inequality and became political drivers as Zoomers came of age.
I don't know one generation Zero that even remembers Occupy Wall Street.
I don't think it's that powerful at all.
So I'm going to X that up.
Number two, Donald Trump.
I do agree with that.
I think that the propaganda and the nonsense around Donald Trump had a major impact on a lot of young people.
I agree.
Parkland, Florida high school shooting?
I don't think so.
No.
17-year-old Darnella Frazier's use of iPhone to record the murder of George Floyd.
Yep.
I think that's super powerful.
And was used as an intentional propaganda piece as far as trying to misconstrue.
I'm not saying the actual event was propaganda.
I'm saying what followed afterwards was pure and total propaganda of trying to say that we live in a systemically racist country and the police are hunting black people in the streets.
And then Greta Thunberg's climate strike.
I don't think so.
I think generally the environmentalist movement can play to it.
But Donald Trump and George Floyd definitely, I think, played a role in this.
But the series, events play serious roles in shaping of who you are.
But there are three events in particular that college does not prepare you for.
There are three events that college wants you to avoid.
There are three events that most parents are surprised and shocked and stunned that their kids actually don't engage in.
And that is getting married, having children, and buying a home.
Those three things are what could be called as conservatizing events.
We just made up that word, right, Connor?
It actually could be a word.
There's liberalizing, so why isn't there conservatizing, right?
What do I mean by that?
Certain events turn you into a conservative.
When you get married, when you have children, and when you purchase a home, basically marriage kids mortgage, marriage kids mortgage, you inherently become more conservative.
But every single cultural and political push by the American left from college to high school through corporate America is to try to discourage young people from getting married, trying to make it so expensive so you cannot have children, and try to price you out of the American housing market.
I am not shocked at this poll.
I'm not shocked because Republicans, too busy serving their own internationalist corporate profit-seeking self-interest, never looking at protecting their legacy to be able to do the three things that were a guarantee and a promise of 1980s America.
Get married, have children, and purchase a home.
It is the least married generation in American history.
Why?
A couple of reasons.
Number one, so many kids went to college where marriage is considered to be a colonialist construct or a misogynistic construct.
It's also the gayest generation in American history.
I don't say that as a pejorative.
It's just, it's just the way it is.
American Christian University says that 40% of young people are gay or transgender or bisexual.
It is the lowest birth rate that we have seen in a generation, least amount of children being born, because children are considered to be an environmental hazard.
I'm not kidding.
That's a real thing that is believed amongst many young people.
And children are really expensive.
And we've made it harder and financially more difficult to actually have children.
And then a mortgage.
So when you inflate your currency and you create money out of thin air and you pump it into a system, people that own assets are going to do very well.
So let's take producer Connor, for example.
Producer Connor is going to be our test case.
I think, did I mention this on air before?
Maybe I did.
So producer Connor got poorer this last year.
Now he's going to use this as an advocating for a raise, but I'll bring that.
That's a separate conversation.
How did producer Connor get poorer?
Producer Connor, what, your mid-20s, right?
Mid-20s, works hard, gets in early, does a great job.
He's 25.
So he's right there.
He is right on the chart.
Andrew says we actually gave him a raise.
Okay, it was an inflation-adjusted raise.
But here's what's important.
Listen, producer Connor got poorer.
His rent went up by $600 a month.
Is that correct, Connor?
$600 a month.
That means he has to pay $600 extra dollars a month, $7,200 a year to live in the same place that he lived last year.
So in order to just tread water, in order for Connor just to stay the same, he has to earn an extra $600 a month just to break even.
Whereas I have a mortgage and my mortgage rate is fixed and that doesn't go up.
So I borrowed, and mortgages can make a lot of sense, makes you really conservative, money, and therefore I become, I'm fit in, and it doesn't change.
Mortgage payments, you could have a fixed rate.
You could have a floating rate, but most are fixed.
I actually am getting richer.
The value of my home goes up.
My payment stays the same, which actually goes down because the currency is inflated.
So Connor, the renter, gets poorer.
Charlie, the owner, gets richer.
I'm not trying to rub it in your face, Connor.
I'm just using you as an example.
It's true.
Your rulers betrayed you.
And if Connor wasn't an enlightened fellow, he'd be a left-wing Democrat.
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I see that a lot.
I see the feminization of the American male where the woman, the female, has to basically babysit the man.
You've seen this, Connor?
And it creates super unhappy women.
And also, women have to become masculine.
That's what college does: it creates, basically tells these women, you should go succeed in the corporate world.
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So the Brookings Institution actually wrote about this.
They're a left-wing think tank.
And they talked at length about America's electoral future, the coming generational transformation.
It says demographics are not destiny, but steady and predictable changes to the electorate play an important role in defining the landscape of American politics.
And it talks about here that homeownership is going down, that having children is going down, and marriage rates are going down.
That inherently creates a more left-wing society or a more democrat society or a socialistic society.
When you have 33-year-old women with college degrees and they're 33 years old and they don't have children and they're not married, what do you expect when all of a sudden there is a political party that comes out and says we can reappropriate the money, we can redistribute the money, I should say.
It's rather appealing.
And this is something I think Republicans get wrong.
And I've said this in many different meetings with Republican politicians, and I don't think it really resonates with them.
But we will be proven right.
And Connor knows this, and Andrew knows this, and our whole team knows this, because we see what's happening in real time, and it's going to be a lagging effect.
Republicans just really, they don't get it.
They're like, oh, yeah, all we have to do is talk about jobs, opportunity, and tax cuts.
Like, actually, no, it's more than that.
If you cannot check the three boxes, then those events will not occur, and you will not have a generation of conservatives.
You'll have a generation of collectivists.
You need to make it easier.
In fact, conservatives should talk openly about the three boxes and why we want you to be able to achieve these three basic things.
We want you to get married.
We want you to have children.
And we want you to own property.
Those three things.
We want you to get married.
We want you to be able to have children.
We want you to own property.
And so a lot of young people, including people we work with, they say, I wish I could buy a home.
I've been priced out of the housing market.
That's a definition of getting poorer.
Have you seen house prices, especially in Phoenix?
They're up 30, 40, 50% year over year.
I bought my place with a mortgage, what, about a year ago?
It's up 75% in value.
75%.
That's a good housing market.
Also, we've decided to create $5 trillion that we didn't have.
Producer Andrew's home is up 100% in the last two years.
And so, yeah, that's going to be really appealing.
There is an economic revolution that's about to happen.
If the left actually gets their act together, if the left and the collectivists actually stop running on racist identity politics and they actually talk about pure economics, that's going to be really hard for those of us like, oh, no, no, actually, markets are great.
And you know what?
A young person will say, oh, really?
We're fatter, sicker, more suicidal, more alcohol-addicted, more drug overdose than ever before.
We're addicted to our screens.
We're unhappy.
We hate each other.
We hate ourselves.
What exactly about markets is so great?
And the counter argument is not exactly going to resonate with them.
Instead, conservatives should preempt this and say, hey, we want to restore things that matter in your life.
You've been scammed to go to college or study things that don't matter to find jobs that don't exist.
To borrow money, you don't have to do that.
And we want to empower you to be able to check the three boxes so that you could have an invested interest.
What is a conservative?
You want to protect things.
Well, if you have nothing worth protecting, then why wouldn't you be a collectivist?
You want to protect your family?
You want to protect your marriage?
You want to protect your home.
You don't have those three things.
Sure.
Let's go burn a Wendy's and do a hunger strike over the environment and put your fist in the air against racism.
At least that gives you purpose.
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Diversity Delusion and Elites 00:10:33
I decided to re-listen to a great book that I read a while back and for a variety of different reasons, The Diversity Delusion by Heather McDonald.
I like listening to books when you work out or when you're traveling or whatever, and it's a really good book.
And then I texted Andrew, I said, Let's have Heather on the show.
So we haven't, we haven't had a chance to catch up for a while.
So with us right now is Heather McDonald, author of several books, the one that I'm currently re-enjoying, Diversity Delusion.
Heather, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Well, thank you so much.
And I know you've got so many things to read and listen to.
So I'm absolutely honored, Charlie, that you're giving back into the book.
And I adore Audible Books myself.
It takes you into a better world, I think, often.
I totally agree.
My only regret is that you didn't narrate the whole book, but I don't narrate mine.
It just takes a lot of time.
You have to take two full days and it's a lot of work.
So Heather, I want to ask you about this study from Axios that I'd love to get your commentary on it.
The essence is that it shows that young people are going far to the left and they're not basically staying and they're not conservative as conservative as prior generations.
What would you attribute this to?
You talk about this a lot in the diversity delusion.
You talk about the several dynamics that come into play.
How would you explain this?
Well, it's a combination of overt ideology and prosperity.
You know, decades, decades, decades in America of stable society, limited government, extraordinary conquest of poverty, want, disease, premature death.
And young people have absolutely no idea what the West has accomplished to make their lives so cushy and so opportunity-filled.
But then, of course, that's the background and the more overt politization is coming from the elite classes in the education establishment and that are dedicated to tearing down the West that are filled with anti-white hatred.
They hate a civilization being too white and male.
And there are very few competing voices.
The establishment, you know, in the 50s, the establishment used to be viewed as conservative.
And indeed, it often was.
The American Bar Association, the American Medical Association, these institutions were regarded as guardians of traditional bourgeois norms, respect for property, respect for the rule of law.
And now they are almost indistinguishable from Brown University or Yale University or Harvard in their dedication to this phony ideology that says that white supremacy and white racism is the defining characteristic of American society.
So you bring up a really interesting point, which is that the institutions have been captured by this revolutionary fervor, which is really at odds with what it really means to be an institution, right?
An institution, by definition, has to be conservative because you're trying to conserve something.
Talk a little bit about that.
I find that to be super interesting.
And is it sustainable?
It's an unprecedented moment in human history.
There has never been a time when a culture's elites turn on themselves with such vitriol and hatred.
The Chinese cultural revolution was by and large the masses turning on the elites.
And you had university professors being hounded into work camps, their knowledge being diminished and demeaned as simply a capitalist, unnecessary appendage.
But now you have the elites declaring that that which gives them power and security is itself violent and vicious and not worthy of any respect.
I don't know how you raise young people to hate their inheritance.
And it's not as if we represent, say, take out one single slice of, say, Germany, you know, for several decades.
would be a lot to be rejecting in that, but we have centuries of development in the West that are unique, not shared in any other culture that gave us individual rights.
My audible listening right now, Charlie, is a historical novel about the 1956 Hungarian Revolution against communist rule.
And I think that every freshman reading in college today should not be obviously it should not be Ibrahim Kendi.
I mean that goes without saying, but here's what it should be, is some account of communist totalitarianism, because we are completely ignorant about the terrors of an uncontrolled state, of uncontrolled state power.
We have at the same time elites that hate themselves, and yet we do have, as you have warned so often, Charlie, we are marching towards what does look like a totalitarian thought control.
And the question is, do we have enough safeguards in our inherent character to guard against this?
I don't know.
I think that question remains unanswered.
And you notice in how they talk about the divisions in America, they have removed the class warfare and it's all about race and gender.
I found that to be really interesting.
I heard Victor Davis Hansen say this recently and he just kind of brushed over it because he corrected himself because he kind of had this talking point that he used maybe a decade ago.
And I caught it because I listened to him a lot because he's super smart.
And he says, you know, the Obamas, they always talk about race, class, gender.
He says, well, not really class anymore.
And then he moved on.
I thought to myself, that's interesting.
They've kind of removed that altogether.
And in your book, Diversity Delusion, you really, you build this out where the focus on diversity is really kind of this like fake outrage that allows the kleptocrats to go untouched, that allows the crony capitalists to continue their plunder, that they, that the ruling class has almost accepted this diversity regime.
Can you help explain that or walk our audience through that?
I find that to be really important.
Well, everybody that imposes racial preferences on his institution believes that they're not coming after him and that he will retain his position, even as he is making sure that the most qualified candidate is not hired.
And instead, we hire either less qualified females, and that's happening all over the place.
It's happening in STEM ubiquitously, or underqualified minorities, Blacks and Hispanics.
Asians don't count as people of color when it comes to meritocratic hiring.
So they do think that they're going to be safe, but they're willing to sacrifice the caliber of American competitiveness of institutions.
I mean, this is very scary, Charlie.
It is going to start to bite, whether it's in medicine and you cannot be sure.
You know, if you're in the NIR and you get a non-white doctor, you cannot be sure given the ubiquity of racial preferences.
And that's why you can't be sure that you have the most qualified doctor.
He well may be.
And there are many minority doctors who are qualified, but there are many more who are being promoted simply on the basis of race.
So the elites think that they'll hold on to the positions, but I would also add it's more, it's about more, Charlie, I think, than protecting the kleptocracy.
And I'm not going to take a pure Marxist anti big government line because I do think that there is still value in competition and the extent we still have free markets.
What is also going on here in this culture is the obsession with anti-racism and the problem of disparate impact.
The fact is, is that there's not a single meritocratic standard or behavioral standard that does not have a disparate impact on blacks.
That's why we're tearing down gifted and talented education, why we're tearing down calculus and algebra in the California school, high school system, why we're tearing down standards in STEM.
And you have the head of the National Institute of Health, Francis Collins, demanding that his neurology project hire on the basis of race, which is appalling.
And it's also why we're tearing down the law enforcement system, because there's not a single criminal law that doesn't have, if you enforce it, a disparate impact on Blacks.
And our elites have decided that we would rather get rid of meritocratic and behavioral standards than look at the root causes of disparate impact, which is a vast academic skills gap and a vast behavioral crime commission gap.
And when you get rid of those standards, of course, you're hurting primary, in the first place, those millions of law-abiding blacks who deserve protection from street crime.
But this tearing down of standards, which is happening in every institution, it is all coming down.
As long as the left controls the narrative and as long as the only allowable explanation for racial disparities is bias, it is all coming down, Charlie.
And we are looking towards a future that is chaotic, that we cannot count on competence in our institutions, whether they're legal institutions, the federal bench, medical institutions, corporate bureaucracies.
This is a very, very dangerous moment.
I mean, the people on the Upper East Side who have the, they participate in the anti-racism chants and they give money.
I guarantee you that when their ideology actually gets challenged and they get diagnosed with COVID and they need monoclonal antibodies and they have to go to some doctor that says, oh, yeah, actually, by the way, your melanin content isn't exactly up to standards.
So you're going to have to go to the back of the line.
Is there going to be a moment where the white elites themselves that are pushing this crap actually have to suffer under their own diversity regime?
Melanin Standards and COVID 00:02:45
I hope so.
Bring it on.
I hope so.
And it's a real question.
I mean, this, this, these, we've seen this before in December 2020, we also had race-based treatments.
It is white culling.
Let's just be honest.
It's very uncomfortable for whites to hear this, but it is a warrant whites.
And I hope that the elites finally start to suffer for it and that their kids don't get into Harvard despite their millions of donations over the years to try and ensure just that.
They always want carve outs for their own preferences.
And we'll see.
They want to live in a highly racist society.
Well, they've created it.
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So I have a question about the gender part of this.
You go into great length about that.
And I notice how you say how race and gender and not class, which is, you know, obviously where they're focusing right now.
How do you anticipate the kind of alphabet mafia, the gender lobby?
How are they going to handle the preferences of trying to elevate women and trying to, let's say, let's diminish men with this transgender development?
How are we supposed to process that?
It's unplausible, processable.
My mind just explodes.
We have these clarifying moments when you learn who now is at the top dog in the great totem pool of victimhood.
One of those clarifying moments was Europe in 2014, where there were mass sexual assaults on New Year's Day or New Year's Eve in Germany and France committed by Muslims against European women.
Feminists Ignore Rape Culture 00:04:05
And you would have thought that feminists would be up in arms about this because here was actually a moment of rape culture.
There'd never been mass sexual assaults in Germany before.
And yet the feminists were silent because multiculturalism trumps feminism.
And it was taboo to say that maybe we should rethink our immigration policies.
Well, who would have thought that trans trumps feminism here too?
I frankly look on with utter glee to see, and I'm sorry it's cruel to the individuals that are hurt by this, but I love the fact that these feminist soccer moms who've been grooming their daughters for swimming scholarships or soccer scholarships or tennis scholarships since in college,
since age five, are now seeing their daughters' chances of getting a scholarship or winning a championship pushed aside by these trans pretenders after feminists have destroyed male sports under Title IX equity rules and insisting on having equal funding for female sports that nobody attends and goes to.
So, you know, it's very, very bizarre.
And I would think that any feminist would simply be able to say, I'm sorry, you are a male and it is ridiculous to have a male competing with a female on a track field or in a swimming lane.
But somehow, if I was a really radical feminist, what you would say was, well, that figures because males dominate.
And even when they're in the guise of females, that's just what we'd expect of males to try and destroy female success.
That would be a consistent explanation, but instead we have no explanation.
So I'm sitting on the sidelines and cheering it on.
It's like gladiator battles.
I hope they destroy each other.
And they probably will.
And they're paralyzed.
You mentioned this theme on our show, which is this matters more than that, which is reorganizing the hierarchy of left-wing victim groups or what we call the oppression Olympics.
It's been really interesting how the push for the mandatory vaccine mattered more than black lives, right?
Even black athletes and black activists were suppressed in the push for the mandatory vaccine.
So that was almost like social control matters more than black liberation, which was interesting.
And you see that with the transgender issue as well, right?
When Dave Chappelle came against the trans lobby, they said he's being transphobic, but I thought that you get the I Could Say Whatever I Want card as a Black comedian, right?
So that was really interesting.
Heather, what can people do about this diversity delusion?
You diagnose the problem perfectly.
Mom's listening to this right now.
What can be done?
Don't be scared of being called a racist or a sexist.
If you believe that you see the truth about human existence, about differences between males and females, about the fact that it is not racist to have expectations of respecting property, don't steal.
And you think you're going to be called a racist for supporting law and order, for supporting reality, you've got to be strong.
And if you wait out the Twitter mob, I think they will go away with their tail behind their legs.
But if you live a life where you capitulate to these lies, and we all do that, we are moving either to a totalitarian state or to something that we haven't even seen before in human history.
I agree.
Well, you're one of the people that's going to help make sure that doesn't happen.
So thank you so much, Heather.
We really appreciate it.
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