Ghislaine Maxwell, CNN, and Grooming America's Next Generation with Jack Posobiec
Charlie dives into a little told but shocking story out of California detailing allegations of grooming by public school teachers who review "promising" Google searches by students and then target those students with LGBTQ indoctrination. Charlie then welcomes Senior Editor of Human Events to discuss the latest developments on the Ghislaine Maxwell trial including details on the sex trafficking ring she ran for pedophile Jefferey Epstein. Charlie and Jack also dive into Chris Cuomo's former CNN producer who got caught grooming a mother and her 9-year-old daughter. What is with the trend of left-wingers sexually abusing underage victims? Jack and Charlie offer their perspective before finally giving an update on Julian Assange who remains on the brink of extradition to the United States. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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California Teachers Recruit Kids00:14:38
Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, there's California teacher unions that are recruiting children to go into LGBT groups.
This remarkable, shocking revelation.
Plus, Jack Pesobic joins us to go through the latest with the Ghelane Maxwell trial here on the Charlie Kirk Show.
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So I want to get into this story.
This is a this is an important story, and it's for every parent out there, whether you are now.
If you're homeschooling your kid, then this story won't really apply.
But if you, if your student is in private school or public school, this is a very, very important piece by Abigail Schreier.
I've been wanting to have her on the show for a while.
I think she wrote War on Girls, or she wrote a really good book.
She's been on Tucker a couple times.
The story's a couple weeks old, but I've been wanting to dive into it for quite some time.
There's just so much other news happening, the country falling apart for one, that we didn't really get a chance to get into this.
So it's on her sub stack.
I want to make sure I give her credit.
AbigailSchreier.substack.com.
Now, you might say, Charlie, this is only, you know, pertained for California.
Maybe you're listening right now on KTIE, the wonderful flagship of freedom in San Bernardino, Riverside Inland Empire area.
Maybe you're listening on KRLA and you say, wow, this pertains to California.
Or maybe you're listening right now on AM560, The Answer of Chicago, and you say, ah, that's California.
No, no, no.
This is going to come everywhere.
This sort of playbook of what we're seeing happen in schools is going to spread all across the country.
Now, I'm going to ask Jack Pasobic this when he comes on our show.
And I ask this: I say, do you believe the Arizona Christian University study that says that 40% of young students are LGBT?
Do you believe that, Jack?
Thumb up or thumb down, like a Roman Emperor.
Thumb down?
Commodus says no.
You think that's not true?
We've had conflicting emails coming in, freedom at charliekirk.com, where they say, Charlie, my ninth grader, at least half the kids identify as gay or lesbian.
I find that hard to believe.
I personally don't believe it.
And the question is, though, is there an effort, is there a top-down effort to try and recruit more people into the LGBTQSA RSTUV circle, the Alphabet Mafia circle?
Leaked documents and audio from the California Teachers Association conference reveal efforts to subvert parents on gender identity and sexual orientation.
Documents and audio authenticated by three conference participants permitted a rare insight into the California Teacher Association sold out event in Palm Springs held in late October.
Of course, it's in Palm Springs.
The 2021 LGBTQ Plus Issues Conference, Beyond the Binary, Identity and Imagining Possibilities.
Quote, have the courage to create a safe environment that fosters bravery to explore sexual orientation, gender identity, and expression.
And what it goes through in this California Teacher Association hosted seminar is how these teachers are trained to start these gay groups in school, lie to parents about them, and actually recruit kids to come into them.
Quote, Buena Vista middle school teacher and LGBTQ club leader, Alphabet Mafia ally, Lori Caldiera, says, quote, because our clubs are not official, we have no club rosters and we keep no records.
Quote, in fact, sometimes we don't really want to keep records, quote, because if parents get upset that their kids are coming, we're like, yeah, I don't know, maybe they came.
So they're teaching parents not to keep rosters of who comes to their gay groups.
They're gay, straight alliance groups.
And they're not even gay, straight alliance groups.
These are just LGBTQ gay groups.
The advice to those who run middle school LGBT groups is, quote, this is what they taught.
Keep no records so you could plead ignorance of the membership with the members' families.
Caldiera and Baraki, both middle school teachers, these are middle schoolers, by the way, sixth, seventh, and eighth graders, led a workshop titled, quote, how we run GSA in conservative communities.
You see that?
The California Teacher Association, the Teacher Union of Flora of California, is teaching fellow teachers in Palm Springs how to infiltrate conservative communities and start these gay activist groups.
In that address, the speakers describe the challenges for activist teachers working in the context of politically mixed community in Central California with many conservative parents.
Now, this is the most remarkable part of the story: is that the teachers in this seminar are admitting that they expand their gay membership, their LGBT whatever membership, by doing the following: quote, this is leaked audio.
So we started to brainstorm at the end of the 2020 school year.
What are we going to do?
We got to see some kids in person at the end of last year.
Not many, but a few.
So we started to try and identify new kids.
When we were doing our virtual learning, quote, we totally stalked the kids and what they were doing on Google when they weren't doing schoolwork.
One of them was Googling Trans Day of Visibility.
And we're like, Check, we're going to invite that kid when we get back on campus.
Whenever they follow Google Doodle links or whatever, right, we make note of those kids and the things they bring up with each other in chats or email or whatever.
Baraki can heard to be said.
Beyond electronic surveillance of kids' internet use, quote, we use our observations of kids in the classroom, conversations that we hear, to personally invite students because that's really the way we kind of get bodies through the door.
You see, the alphabet mafia is not about catering to pre-existing gay children.
It's about finding new recruits.
Maybe that 40% number is not outside of the realm of possibility.
For those paying attention, the educators who guide California teachers, Abigail Schreier writes, in the creation of middle school LGBTQ clubs, asserted the following: quote, they struggle to maintain student participation in clubs.
Caldiera gushes about her student team she assembled to help with her morning announcements.
Quote, three of the kids on the team, two of them are non-binary, and the other one is just very fluid in every way.
She's fabulous.
So it's actually a nice group.
These people are creeps, by the way, these teachers.
They should be working with Chris Cuomo's producer, right, Check?
For those of you who aren't running or thinking of running your own gay club, always remember that the youth are the drivers of change, Caldeera said.
If you want to bring a new world into existence, it's a good place to start with other people's kids.
Let me say that again.
Caldeira says, quote, if you want to bring a new world into existence, a good place to start is with other people's kids.
Caldiera learned from Parent Backlash saying, quote, next year, we're going to do a little mind trick on our sixth graders.
They were the last to go through this presentation, and the gender stuff was the last thing we talked about.
So next year, they're going to be first with this presentation.
The gender stuff was the first thing they hear about.
Hopefully to mitigate, you know, these kind of responses.
The seminar was literally called brought to you by the conservative teacher, the California Teachers Association, quote, How We Run a GSA in Conservative Communities.
She says, You know, we've always acted with great integrity, and we've never crossed a line.
We wanted to, but we never have.
You send your kid to public school in California or otherwise, there might be teachers trying to recruit your kid into an LGBTQ plus group.
Is that where you want your taxpayer dollars going?
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How many genders are there?
Two.
How many scoops of ice cream does Donald Trump get?
Two.
How many Supreme Court justices did Trump put on the Supreme Court?
Three.
See?
Took you off guard there.
There are two genders.
It's that simple.
We've been saying that at Turning Point USA for quite some time.
And I remember I went to Indiana University in Pennsylvania.
That's actually what's called IUP.
Great place.
Remember that, Connor?
I wore the Dare Are Two Genders shirt.
They lost their mind.
It was extraordinary.
Now, some people say, oh, Charlie, what's the big difference?
Who cares if people want to be whatever gender they want to be?
That's libertarian happy talk, is what that is.
But let's pretend they're right.
We always knew that they were then going to come after the opinion that you dare said that there were two genders.
A New Hampshire teenager is suing a school district after he was suspended from sports saying that there are only two genders.
The Exeter high school freshman said in a lawsuit that he was hit with a one-game football suspension stemming from a text conversation he had with a student off school grounds.
He was denied playing football because he said there are two genders.
A female student overheard the discussion and allegedly told the student that there are more than two genders.
He said, no, there isn't.
There are only two genders.
Sounds like a smart kid.
School Superintendent David Ryan told the Associated Press that the school is reviewing the complaint quote and that we'll share a statement once we've completed that review.
So if your kid or grandkid goes to a public school and says that there are two genders, you very well might get suspended.
I had someone tell me recently, because I've been a huge critic against masking children in schools.
And I had someone say, well, Charlie, the kids are getting used to it.
Well, of course.
Kids can get used to anything.
That's why you must develop them.
You must send them out into the world in the way of which that is based in character and eternal truth.
North Korea Farm Animals00:02:09
If you want to listen to an amazing conversation with my friend and colleague, Dennis Prager, and I still want to have her on the show, Yemeni Park.
She's terrific.
And Yemeni Park grew up in North Korea.
Now, I think a lot of the conversation on North Korea gets to be a little cliche.
She had a great conversation on Rogan, by the way.
But Jack said it's okay.
It's a CSE.
Fine.
Yemeni Park with Dennis Prager was phenomenal.
Because there was one part where she explained, growing up in North Korea and growing up in an unfree country, once she got into China, she escaped into China, being brutally raped, and then came to America.
When she was in America, she was in South Korea because there's a whole program in South Korea to reassimilate North Koreans.
And she sat in a room and she had to build up the capacity to think.
She had never thought in her life.
She could not think for more than 90 seconds.
She would just always do what she was told.
Now, what do you mean by that?
She couldn't explore ideas.
She couldn't use the logical prefrontal cortex of her brain.
Everything that she was doing was just automatic, like an animal.
Pleasure and pain, pleasure and pain, pleasure and pain.
But Aristotle famously said that animals can feel pleasure and pain.
Human beings can see good from evil.
When she was in North Korea, she never thought deeply or thought at all about what was good and what was evil.
Ever.
She never thought of what was beautiful and what was ugly.
What was right and what was wrong?
What was temporal and what was eternal.
She'd never done that before.
She was simply a farm animal.
Similar to a certain book that a certain person wrote, Animal Farm.
Yet when she escaped into the Western world, all of a sudden she had to not just build the physical muscle mass because that was rather deteriorated, but she thought to herself, I have to make so many decisions.
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I have not heard a good explanation of a parent who sends their kid to a school that still requires masks.
You have no idea the long-term damage or ramifications that might be doing to your child, their soul, and their future.
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Epstein Trial Prosecution Balance00:15:09
We got Jack Pasobic here.
It is AmFest week here in Phoenix, Arizona.
The ramp up.
Jack, you excited?
I'm very excited.
I'm not quite as solid as a rock as Charlie.
He's solid as a rock.
He's mainstream, but we're getting there for a while.
He's mainstream conservative.
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Do we even have any tickets left for this thing?
I mean, Is like, I mean, standing room, maybe.
It's standing room.
I mean, you've seen the stage, right?
I have seen the stage.
It's going to be special.
And we made sure to check the, you know, the runes and the symbols, the cryptography.
Some Daily Beast report.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, you guys are harking.
They'll find something.
The year 600 Viking symbol.
It actually looks like the...
What's that thing in the Marvel movies?
I don't even remember what it's called, but like the Tetrahedron or whatever that they're always looking to try to find.
That's a level of pop culture.
I literally forget what it was.
But it kind of looks like that.
It's the only thing I can think of.
So, Jack, there's a lot going on.
What's going on with the Jeffrey Epstein-Ghelene Maxwell trial?
So Ghelane Maxwell trial is actually on break.
Who takes breaks in a trial?
It's very strange, and I've got to go look at this because I remember covering the Manafort trial.
I was there every day.
Roger Stone, I was there every day.
Papadopoulos, when he had his hearings.
I went to all the Flynn hearings that were held there in the D.C. courthouse.
Manafort, of course, was East District of Virginia.
I don't remember these kind of breaks in between sessions.
What just happened on Friday was you had the prosecution rested their side.
Now the defense is going to come back up.
And a lot of people were asking, it seemed like the prosecution didn't bring up any big names.
They could have brought anyone.
This is the federal government, the Southern District of New York.
They have all the subpoena power in the world.
And they've got Maureen Comey, the daughter of James Comey, the same, who was the lead prosecutor on this thing.
A lot of people were also pointing out that the prosecutors on this case, actually quite young.
I think the oldest one is only 37.
And for many of them, these are career makers.
For all of them, yeah, this is your, you're either going to make your career or lose your career based on this because this is the case.
This is clearly the highest profile case that any of them have had.
But a lot of court watchers are looking at this saying, why doesn't, you know, why isn't there some more senior, higher level person that's coming in and overseeing some of this?
And these guys are at least part of it, but maybe not, you know, the leads.
Yeah, so it says that Ghelane Maxwell might call 35 witnesses, some from abroad, her lawyers say.
What does that mean?
Right.
So what you're putting on your witness list is, of course, this is your wish list.
And it's also a head fake for the other side because this is the entire scope of people that they could call to trial, but doesn't mean they're actually going to call all of them.
Three of the witnesses, though, there was a document that was just submitted today in court there from her lawyers.
And by the way, her legal team is not a bunch of spring chickens.
These are some very experienced trial lawyers, people who have done criminal defense for years and years, really know how to game the system.
So what they're doing is they're kind of playing needle in the haystack.
We could cover all of these people.
Plus, they just put up one today.
Three of the witnesses are not on this list that they provided.
They want to testify anonymously.
Now, we also saw that with, I believe, four of the witnesses who testified for the prosecution.
They were Epstein victims, people who came forward and said there was one victim that did testify on Friday.
Very, very powerful testimony.
Her name was Annie Farmer.
And this was, and you got to give her credit, right, for being able to do that so many years later to be able to meet the person who abused her.
And even her mother, by the way, her mother, who's now in her 70s, came and testified.
Remember, a lot of this stuff happened going back into the 90s, early 2000s.
So we're talking 20 years.
Her mother's still around.
Her mother appeared in court, testified against Maxwell.
And you really have to, you know, I think one thing, you know, we get caught up in talking about the network, what did this get into, the political influences, all this, but you do have some heroes here, and that's these women coming forward, stepping up and saying, I'm not going to be a victim anymore.
Yeah, and so the prosecution seems to be uncertain on kind of the way they laid out a very simple case, is what it seems.
Not a very extensive one.
Right.
So what they're doing, and I've said this before, if you're looking at this case and thinking, I'm going to get all the receipts on Epstein and the network, and we're going to go through Black Book 1 and Black Book 2, which is even out there, and find out who was into it, who was on those 20,000 images that were recovered by the FBI in this.
Guess what, folks?
It ain't happening.
The prosecution already rested.
What they're trying to do is say, look, we can get Ghelane Maxwell on trafficking.
The trafficking came from New York.
They brought them to New Mexico because they knew that there, the age of consent was lower.
It was 16 there, not New York State.
So they recruited in New York, brought them to New Mexico where he had the ranch.
And he knew, remember, very close with who?
Bill Richardson out in New Mexico.
So he understood what was going on with the political scene there in New Mexico, brought them out.
That's what Maxwell did.
Boom, that's it.
That's all we need on the case.
But on the defense side, and this is something, actually, the last time you and I were here and talked about this, this really is the opportunity for Maxwell, for her lawyers to come forward, start naming names, and actually be able to expose what went on here.
Because Maxwell, for her case, I really think the only way for her to get out of this is to say, look, I was a victim as well, not only of Epstein, but a victim of his wealthy friends, his powerful friends.
I was blackmailed at everybody.
I was blackmailed.
They wouldn't let me get into this.
She's talked before about how she has said, by the way, that she believes her father was murdered on that boat back in the 90s off the coast of the Canary Islands.
She has said, well, kind of through her brother, right?
Her brother will do these interviews.
He says that Ghelane says that she does not believe that Epstein committed suicide.
She actually has said that through him.
And so she's going to call up all these witnesses.
Where do you think it goes from there?
Well, I think where it comes from here is you're going to have a situation then where this jury, right?
Every court case is two stories, right?
There's always two competing narratives.
There's the narrative of the prosecution, which is the same narrative that's been driven through the mainstream media for the past two years.
That Maxwell was, actually one of the other accusers said this recently, Sarah Rancon, she said, Epstein was the spider, but Maxwell spun the web, right?
I thought that was a really, really interesting way to put it.
And that's essentially the prosecution's case.
What they're going to attempt to do, though, is bring forward people and say, oh, you know, Ghelane wasn't part of this.
She was just along for the ride.
It was Jeffrey who was making all of these things.
It's Jeffrey who's close with people like Steven Pinker and Richard Dawkins and Bill Gates and all these other, you know, the new atheists and academia and Harvard and everything else.
He was the one that was getting into this and she was just arm candy.
That's essentially going to be what her case was.
And oh, by the way, once you, you know, in for a penny, in for a pound, once they have a couple of pictures of you, guess what?
Now they can hold those over you for the rest of your life.
I don't think there's much of a hope for her, to be honest.
It seems that...
No, I honestly, you know, looking at this, I don't think that the prosecute, I think the prosecution could have made a much stronger case.
I think they could have gone all out and they really didn't do that.
And I don't know if that's because of their inexperience or it's because they were directed from higher-ups not to do that.
I couldn't tell you.
I think there's a lot.
Look, I sat through Manafort.
I know what it looks like when the government wants to go after somebody.
Look what they're doing to go after Assange right now, right?
That's what it looks like when said someone goes after you.
He's in Belmarsh prison in the U.K., but it looks like he is going to be extradited.
There's a story that he may have suffered a stroke to the U.S. for the Eastern District of Virginia.
They call it the rocket docket that is known for fast, speedy trials.
But look, I sat through every day, two weeks there, Paul Manafort, and they had documents, emails, transcripts, testimony.
I mean, this thing was all over the place from the Ukraine to Cyprus to Russia.
Yeah, they were ready to rob.
I mean, you had everything, and it was all laid out.
Accounts, all the rest of it.
With Ghelane, there's a couple of stories, obviously the very powerful victim testimony, but you didn't, it just didn't seem to be to the same level that I've seen in some of these other federal cases.
That being said, I just have to say, you know, when you look at the jury, look, they've heard the media for two years on this.
The spider in the web analogy is so simple to make.
I think that they are going to convict.
I believe she'll be convicted.
And for the powers that be on this, they want that.
They want it to be case closed.
Because then it's over.
We'll never have to talk about it again.
Yeah.
The media wants it to because they don't want to investigate this.
It takes way too much courage.
I can't imagine why CNN wouldn't want to investigate it.
Yeah, so what's going on with CNN?
So CNN has been a pretty rough week.
I believe, as you said, they've lost some people.
They've gained some people.
That's one way of putting it.
Oh, man.
So Friday night, immediately after the news cycle ends, everybody knows that like 4 o'clock, 5 o'clock p.m. Eastern on a Friday, that's when your news cycle sort of ends.
And the weekend is beginning.
People are checked out.
Nobody's tied in.
We get this.
We don't even actually get the full indictment.
We get a press release from the DOJ.
It was the most bizarre story, too.
That says, and if you dig through it, actually, the headline is just, it is about the arrest.
But if you dig through, the charges are actually much more horrific than the headline would suggest, is a CNN senior producer.
For Chris Cuomo.
For Chris Cuomo and New Day was arrested for child sex trafficking.
And I think he raped the girl.
And the way they call it is illegal sexual activity with a minor.
But the miner's mom was involved or something.
One really bizarre.
One thing that people, you know, it comes out in a lot of these cases.
It certainly came in with Epstein.
It came in with some of the stuff you're seeing in Ghalain Maxwell case that they groom the parents first.
In many of these cases, the groomer targets the parents first in order to sort of bring them in, in order to bring them into this situation, in order to say, look, I can give you this.
I can provide you with various, in terms of Epstein Maxwell, it's access, it's money, it's, we can give you, in terms of Weinstein, it was access to film roles, movie, you know, stardom, celebrity fame, Oscars, et cetera.
And in terms of this, this guy, his name is John Griffin.
And of course, this is all alleged.
This is in the indictment.
He is, they are saying that he was going onto websites, finding women that were in, this is what he said on the website.
This is what it says in the indictment, that were sexually submissive.
And then he said, by the way, if you have any daughters, I want to train them as well.
So he's going to go to jail for a long time.
This guy needs to go away for the rest of his life.
And if it were up to me, there would probably be a different kind of penalty for this.
We've gotten away from that.
We have gotten away from that, certainly at the federal level.
But this is the kind of horrific stuff that you see going on.
And he was at CNN for nearly a decade.
So, Jack, why on earth would people then believe that there's some sort of pedophile ring in the top levels of media and government?
I'm half kidding.
You're right.
It's amazing.
It's like how many of these stories.
You know, they'll turn around.
They'll turn and say, you can't believe that.
The Atlanta.
Or that's the thing.
At least against the piece last week, Lorraine Powell Jobs, who we know, by the way, is friends with Ghelane Maxwell.
She's the majority of the individuals.
It's like it's the strangest smokescreen operation that ever.
And they say, oh, it's a moral panic.
This stuff isn't going on.
You don't have to worry about it.
Meanwhile, Chris Cuomo's producer.
And then two days later, it's 48 hours later, Chris Cuomo's producer arrested child sex trafficking.
Incredibly crucial.
Federal indictment, by the disgusting.
Federal indictment.
And a blackout as far as the media is concerned.
That's as far as I'm willing to even read into the stuff that's in this indictment because I know that there's a lot of families that listen to this show.
And quite frankly, I don't even want to think about this kind of stuff.
So, but I'll just say this.
If you have any comprehension of how dark humanity can go, go deeper.
Hell has no limits.
Nine-year-old girl, sick.
With her own mother.
I'd imagine the mother should go to jail, too.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
She'd be indicted or not yet.
I haven't seen in this, but if she should be, 100%.
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So let me ask you a general question, Jack.
Should parents ever be held accountable for the sins of their children?
I think it depends.
You know, I think, and I say this as a parent, I think every situation is different.
But in, I would like to live in the kind of society where parents do face some degree of accountability for, and depending on the age of the kids, obviously.
If you're not, we're talking about adult children, that's different, but for the actions.
That being said, that doesn't necessarily mean criminal charges or versus just social shame or ostracization, et cetera, et cetera.
And it certainly doesn't mean canceling or anything like that.
But I do think that we've gotten away from this.
We've become too libertine as a society.
We say, oh, you know, who am I to say?
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Who am I to say about what's going on?
Who am I to say about how you raise your kids?
Who am I to say about this and that?
And, you know, there is, there's a balance there.
There's a balance that has to be struck.
And so I think in some cases, yes, it's appropriate.
In other cases, I would say, look, you know, sometimes things just happen, right?
So you do have to look at every case that way.
But I don't think that I would be knee-jerk and say, no, never.
I wouldn't say that.
Yeah, so the Michigan, what county is it?
Is it Oakland County?
Yeah, it's in Oakland County.
That horrible shooting.
Yes.
It's a very unusual story because not only were there warning signs, they were meeting.
There was literally a meeting before the shooting happened.
Yeah, so when this story broke and people saw that the parents were getting charged, I think there was a knee-jerk response of people saying, hey, hey, don't do that.
You shouldn't charge me.
That was my knee-jerk response.
Then I read the indictment.
When you read...
Right.
Specifically for me, it was those text messages.
When you actually read the text message, next time don't get caught.
Next time, don't get caught, right?
Good luck explaining that one in front of a jury, right?
Bringing your ammo and a gun to school and then looking up this stuff online and saying, don't get caught.
Well, and then the kid is writing, the voices won't stop.
I need to commit violence.
The voices won't stop, right?
Yeah, so if I see, you know, my kids aren't, you know, anywhere near that kind of old, but if I did see that kind of activity from my kid, my first thing is going to be, hey, what's going on, man?
Or like, let's take all the firearms away.
Let's, let's, well, yeah, number one.
I mean, first of all, my firearms are locked up to begin with, where they don't even know where all of them are.
My wife doesn't even know where all of them are.
But, you know, you have to be there for your kid and understand that, you know, we've gotten away from this idea of parents as parents.
And the new thing is parents as friends.
Hey, I'm your buddy.
I'm your best friend.
What's going on, man?
You want to watch a show?
You want to get some candy?
You want to play some, whatever, play some Xbox, you know, whatever it is.
It's, you know, be there for your kid, obviously, but they're your child.
They are not your peer.
And you cannot treat kids that way.
Because if you treat kids that way, then they will never understand that dynamic.
They will never understand, you know, the difference between mother and father and just one of my friends.
And so they won't respect anything at that point.
And that they will believe that they are the ones in charge.
Yeah, and I suppose that was one of the core issues with this Michigan case, right?
Where the parents get indicted.
The school is not going to be held accountable.
That's the other part of it, though.
Yeah, yeah.
And we're talking about the parents here.
And I said, well, look, if you're going to charge the parents, why are we not charging the school?
Why are we not charging the administrators who are involved with this?
Why aren't we charging the principal who apparently had a meeting with him that day?
Yes, that's right.
And decided to send him back to class instead of sending him home.
I don't understand why the school, the school said they didn't have the right to search the backpack.
Is that right?
I find that really hard to believe.
We live in an incredibly over-litigious society.
Sort of.
At the same time, you could defecate on the street and burn Wendy's and like steal merchandise from 30 different department stores, and yet everyone's afraid of getting sued.
So remember, Charlie, this is the goal.
This is the goal that we're talking about.
Anarcho-tyranny.
This is anarcho-tyranny.
This sample.
This is the whole regime.
This is why you or I would never be allowed to, if you or I did one of those things, we would also be arrested.
If you and I burned a Wendy's, we'd go to jail for a liar.
We'd definitely go to jail.
But, by the way, wasn't it the ex-girlfriend of the guy down in Atlanta?
That whole thing?
That's a long story.
But the goal is not for the criminal to be locked up.
The goal is for the otherwise law-abiding citizen.
And then you put all of these restrictions and guidelines in front of them so that it's sort of that old thing about you break 100 laws, just driving to work every morning.
You know, that on every felonies that so we always have power over you.
This is the goal of the regime to maintain that you have no personal autonomy.
Yes.
That Kyle Rittenhouse has to go to jail, has to go through what he went through.
Binger is out there doing podcasts because how dare you?
He just did one over the weekend.
How dare you stand up and defend your community because you're not part of the team?
Jack Bisobic, he'll be back later this week, amfest.com.
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