Hunter Biden's Laptop from Hell with Miranda Devine
Charlie welcomes New York Post columnist and author of the new book, "Laptop from Hell: Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide." Miranda actually begins by debunking some salacious claims circulating online, while confirming many of the most explosive. Charlie and Miranda then discuss the political trajectory of Gen Z, which is proving more skeptical of legacy media sources and arguments from authority in general. Furthermore, Miranda explains why Tony Bobulinski, the Biden's former business partner, is an American hero and why the media roundly demonized him for speaking out as well as the Biden Family’s extensive business ties to Ukraine, China, and beyond. . Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Charlie, in 1989, I worked for a small company in the Cincinnati area that made baseball hats.
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No national loyalty, no commitment to your fellow countrymen, just profit-seeking enrichment.
And you know who else got rich off China?
Hunter Biden got very rich, and so did the Biden family.
With us, who knows a lot about that?
Miranda Devine, who is just spectacular and really special.
Miranda, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thanks so much, Charlie.
Great to be with you.
Thanks for having me.
So your book is doing very well.
Laptop From Hell.
Very direct to the point, tell us how the book is doing uh, remind our audience kind of how and why you wrote it.
And then I want to talk about Biden's connections to China.
The book's done very well.
It hit number one on Amazon um day one and uh ended the week um number two overall.
So um, I think there's a hunger out there for the truth about what was on Hunter Biden's laptop.
Um, you know, at the NEW YORK POST uh, we tried, we um Emma Joe Morris, my colleague, wrote some brilliant stories three weeks before the election last year um, with some of the most damning emails about Joe Biden that were on the laptop and which were denied by him, and which showed that he had met Hunter Biden's business partners, something that he denied during the election campaign.
So I I think that people want to know one way or the other, and i've tried to write it not as a polemic but just as a straight piece of reportage, using not just the laptop but information from Toy Bobolinski and also from the Senate inquiry by Chuck Grassly and Ron Johnson.
Yeah, and I hope if Republicans take back Congress they will depose Hunter Biden for some of these questions.
This is very serious stuff.
So let's separate some of the kind of chatter online uh, fact from fiction.
There's some people that say on the laptop there were potentially compromising or illegal images.
Is that true?
Did you find that in your journalism?
Uh, looking into this, the very least there are probably some unsavory images.
But tell us a little bit about that.
If you're referring to the chatter online about pedophilia yes, pedophilia images um no, I didn't find anything like that.
I mean, there was um a photograph of a?
Um young girl, um aged 13, 14 at the time um, and she this was obviously um taken in like a school bathroom with some, some friends.
They were all putting on makeup in the mirror.
She's seen in the background uh, getting changed and that the image just captures um, you know, part of one of her breasts and um, that was um you know enough to scare Rudy Giuliani and Bernie Carrick.
Um, Rudy Giuliani, when that picture was brought to his attention by one of his staff that was going through the laptop, he asked Bernie Carrick if this was, um you know, a notifiable image in terms of you have to notify the authorities if you find child pornography.
And Bernie Carrick, former commissioner of police, said, yes, under New York Law.
Technically, it was so that frightened both of them enough to take a copy of the hard drive and deliver it to the Delaware police, and they were being scrupulously careful in that case.
I've i've written about that.
I think that that is one of several images not several, I mean thousands of images that were um, downloaded onto uh well, uploaded into the cloud as part of a family, Family sharing situation of photos.
And there were a lot of pictures of children from school outings and various things that kids do with their friends, sporting activities and so on.
They really had nothing to do with Hunter, very childish stuff that was just part of, again, his being part of this family sharing operation.
I think they were downloaded onto his laptop, which had tens of thousands of images, some of which were just completely random and had nothing to do with his life.
So I've laid that out, but I don't see any evidence that Hunter Biden has a taste or an interest in underage women.
All the sex, he filmed himself having sex with hundreds of women.
And some of it he uploaded onto websites like Pornhub.
But all these women were fully grown.
So none of the others, some doctored images online.
I think there's, you know, and I don't like dishonesty being reported about the laptop because there's such wrongdoing on the laptop.
And if you make up something or you exaggerate something, you're taking away from the wrongdoing that does exist and for which there is evidence.
No, I totally agree.
That's why I asked because there's so many rumors and nonsense and chatter at times.
And so let's just talk about the significance of this.
Here you have a laptop from the now president's son that almost no one in the media cares anything about.
I mean, just you've been in this world for quite some time.
Just can you talk a little bit about this before we go into more of the details of just how extraordinary the effort has been to ignore this?
I mean, it takes more effort to ignore it than to report it.
Yeah, it really does.
We saw that when the New York Post first published it, you know, in October.
We saw the heavy hand of big tech, Facebook and Twitter came down and censored it within hours of it going up online.
And that gave an excuse to the Biden-friendly media, the anti-Trump media, to then ignore it and reduce our reporting.
And then on top of that, you had this extraordinary intervention by John Brennan, the former CIA director, and 50 of his fellow former intelligence operatives and former high-ranking defense people like Leon Panetta and Michael Hayden, James Clapper, who all should be ashamed of themselves.
They published a letter in Politico, which was a propaganda document, lying and saying that this laptop and our reporting by extension had all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation operation in their expert opinion.
And then they admit down the bottom of this ridiculous letter that they had never even looked at the laptop.
They really had no evidence.
It was just their guesswork.
And that was a very valuable document to further just completely crush the story and to assist Joe Biden when he went up against Donald Trump in the last debate.
And this letter had just come out.
And as soon as Donald Trump raised it and said, you know, raised the story that we'd published and said, you know, they're saying you're a corrupt politician, Joe.
What do you say to that?
Joe Biden immediately went into high umbrage mode and cited this letter and said, the intelligence community has pronounced that it's Russian disinformation.
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You're the corrupt one.
And it worked.
It absolutely worked a charm for him.
No more questions were asked and the story was buried.
And we know from polls that were taken, Media Research Center did polls after the election that almost half of Biden voters didn't know about the laptop scandal, didn't know that Hunter Biden was under investigation.
Yes.
And one-tenth of those, if they had known, would have changed their vote.
And in an election that was won by 45,000 votes in a handful of battleground states, that could have made a material difference to the outcome.
It's one of the great interferences of elections we've ever seen.
It's almost hard to even comprehend.
You have a new article out I want to ask you about that kind of ties into some of the work we're doing at Turning Point USA.
We have a big event coming up, America Fest.
We'll have over 8,000 young people, young conservative people in Phoenix, Arizona next week.
You say, thank goodness for these right thinking Gen Z saviors.
What do you mean by that?
Well, it seems that Gen Z is the generation that, you know, age nine to 25 who have, they've grown up with the, you know, the internet and a cell phone in their hand.
And they're able to, I guess, find their own information and they're more skeptical about what they're fed, the sort of meta narratives from the media than their sort of millennial seniors and elders and certainly the boomers and Gen X.
They seem to be more savvy and more willing to think for themselves.
They've been fully brainwashed or attempted to be indoctrinated by their schools, often by their parents as well, to sort of the left leaning notions, but they can see the reality before them and they are not trusting of authority and they are more trusting of their peers.
And I think that's what you guys do at Turning Point USA.
It's what this group that's sort of colonized TikTok called Today in America, Is America has done as well.
And that's just to harness the power, the intellect, the inquisitiveness and the energy of this enormous group of voters that are coming of age.
Certainly by 2024, we know that Gen Z and the millennials will be the largest voting block.
And I think it's so heartening to you meet them, you know them, you're with them all the time with Turning Point USA and turning them on and switching them on to the reality of politics and life.
And they see, I think, in a way, with Joe Biden's, I mean, it's been terrible for America, his presidency, but also it's been a real red pill moment, especially for young people and the pandemic.
You know, they've been the most damaged by the lockdowns and the closures and the curfews.
Their generation, their high school, their school, their college, their futures have all been ruined.
At a time when they want to socialize and it's so important to them to be with their peers, they've been isolated, you know, causing mental health issues and so on.
And yet this is a virus that doesn't hurt them for the most part.
I mean, they're the least affected by the virus.
And so they have been expected to make these enormous sacrifices on behalf of older people or obese people who are affected by the virus.
And I think that there is going to be a backlash coming.
You know, you see older people scolding young people for not, you know, kids at school for not wearing their masks properly or for not getting triple vaxed.
And, you know, who's selfish?
These people are calling young people selfish.
Who's selfish?
I think Gen Z has borne the brunt of the pandemic while being the least affected and has done it pretty uncomplainingly.
And, you know, they're inheriting a world that has been is basically scorched earth.
The institutions and the moral capital has been squandered by their forebears.
And now we are relying on Gen Z or will be relying on Gen Z and young millennials, I guess, to rebuild those institutions.
And there's a lot on their shoulders.
But I think, you know, from what I've seen, I mean, my children are Gen Z.
I have enormous faith in them.
I think they're, you know, there's that old adage, hard times makes strong men.
And I think we're certainly in hard times, and this is a very strong generation.
Well, I hope you're right.
I pray you're right.
I see it both ways.
I get to see the insanity of the indoctrination from Gen Z, but I totally agree that there is a... there is kind of this rejection of the lockdown, forced vaccination, you've stole my entire future away.
And there is some contradicting data out there of whether or not they want to live in a society that actually respects their individual liberty and freedom.
I want to believe that.
There is some polling out there, and I don't really trust the polling, but that shows that in some ways we're creating the generation after Gen Z might be one that is totally different than Gen Z, much more safetyist focused.
But you have 17-year-olds in college that are being told, 18-year-olds in college, you have to wear a mask all day long.
And for a virus, that isn't going to significantly impact them in any way.
Miranda, there's an increasing amount of chatter about the Russia-Ukrainian issue.
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And it begs the question anytime this kind of surfaces, what capital flows existed or exist between the Ukrainian government or the Ukrainian power structure and Hunter Biden?
What do we know as far as money that Hunter Biden received from Ukrainian oligarchs, gas companies, and even Russia as well?
Please explain.
Well, there's less money coming from Russia and Ukraine that's evident on the laptop and in the Bobolinsky material than there is from China.
But what we know is that, first of all, that Hunter Biden was being paid $83,000 a month by the corrupt Ukrainian energy company Burisma during his father's vice presidency.
And after Joe Biden's term ended, his pay for sitting on the board of Burisma was cut in half.
And we also know that there was, we actually know this from the Johnson Gradsley report that $3.5 million was funneled into the bank account of an associate or a business partner,
Devon Archer of Hunter Biden's, by Elena Bachurina, who is Russia's richest woman, the wife, now widow of the corrupt former Moscow mayor.
And we also know that Hunter Biden met Elena Bachurina just a few weeks after that money hit the bank account.
He met her in Lake Como at Villa de Est, which is a haunt, beautiful mansion, hotel, luxury hotel on the shore of Lake Como, which is a haunt of corrupt oligarchs from around the world.
And we also know that he was doing the bidding of the Ukrainian owners of Burisma in terms of the owner, Nikolai Slajewski, was in trouble because he had been the former energy minister of the Russia-aligned Ukrainian government that was ousted in the Maiden Revolution with the help of the United States.
And he was under investigation by Interpol, by the British, and in conjunction with the FBI.
And they had frozen his bank accounts in London with millions of dollars in it.
And in Ukraine, the chief prosecutor was also investigating him for corruption.
So he needed to have some intervention from the most powerful country in the world, America, to try and call off the dogs.
And this was why he hired Hunter Biden and Devon Archer to sit on his board.
Really, Hunter was not qualified for this job.
He was a raging crackhead at the time as well.
And all he had to do for it was show up once a year to Monte Carlo or Paris or some glamorous destination for a board meeting.
But there were also emails from his handler at Burisma basically laying out the demands, which were that he had to get important people in the American government to sing the praises of Burisma, to sing the praises of Zlachevsky.
And this was really quite disturbing to some lower level members of the State Department, you know, officials of the State Department in Ukraine, who tried to warn Joe Biden's office.
And in fact, in one case, one low-level staffer was on Air Force 2 with Joe Biden going into Kiev one time.
And he actually confronted Joe Biden quite courageously and said to him, your son's involvement with this corrupt energy company is causing a problem for America because we are trying to impose these requirements on Ukraine that they can only receive US aid if they stamp out corruption.
And yet your son is diluting that message at the very least.
Well, nothing ever happened.
I mean, Joe obviously told Hunter to meet this official because there is a record in Hunter's diary of a couple of meetings with him and a couple of phone calls.
But Hunter Biden continued to earn money from Burisma.
It didn't stop his behavior at all.
And the most disturbing part of the Burisma equation, just to end, is that Joe Biden boasted that he had forced or pressured the Ukrainian government of President Boroshenko to fire their chief prosecutor, a man called Viktor Shokin.
And Joe Biden said that he had threatened to withhold $1 billion of US aid that Ukraine desperately needed unless Shokin was fired.
And Joe Biden explained this as saying, well, you know, the prosecutor is corrupt and he wasn't investigating corruption, which I think is so important.
And what really was happening was that Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor, was investigating Burisma.
And a few days before he was fired, he had, or a few weeks it might have been, he had seized property belonging to Burisma's owner, mansions in Kiev, plots of land, even a Rolls-Royce Silver Phantom.
And also Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor, has given, or the former prosecutor, has since given interviews in Ukraine, which didn't get much attention here, but saying that his next protocol was subpoenas for Hunter Biden and his business partner, Devon Archer.
And Joe Biden's intervention, the president of Ukraine, Poroshenko, was very reluctant.
There are phone, leaked phone conversations between them at this time, which I have in the book, which showed that Poroshenko did not want to fire Viktor Shokin.
He said there was no evidence of any corruption and Joe Biden insisted at several flurry of phone calls in that period, really desperate to get Shokin fired.
Finally, Poroshenko reluctantly fired his chief prosecutor.
And of course, then the job went to a politician.
The investigation against Burisma was very quickly wound up with a $5 million fine.
That was it.
So that money that Burisma paid to Hunter Biden was well worth it.
Well, obviously.
And I mean, it was an investment to try and protect their entire scheme.
But it doesn't just stop with Ukraine.
It also, the one that is the most interesting that the laptop revealed that we weren't ever allowed to have a discussion with while we were experiencing the horror of a virus from this country is the Tony Bobulinsky kind of Chinese issue.
Whatever happened to Tony Bobulinsky?
He's just gone back into his normal life of obscurity.
He really is an American hero.
Tony Bobolinski, a Navy veteran, a successful businessman in his own right, was sort of dragged into this Hunter Biden, Joe Biden influence peddling scheme and sort of realized, I mean, he was brought in to legitimize it and exert proper corporate governance on this new joint venture with China.
But he soon found himself in this just complete mess, a total disaster, and regretted it.
But to his great credit, he stood up before the election and he said, he amplified our story that had been censored and said, this is true.
Joe Biden is the big guy.
He met with me twice.
He is the patriarch and the instigator, the orchestrator of this international influence peddling scheme that was enriching the Bidens at a great cost to America's national security.
And I mean, the laptop is not enough.
I look at it as a jigsaw puzzle when I was writing the book.
It's part of the jigsaw puzzle, but a big part of the jigsaw puzzle is Tony Bobolinski and the contents of his three phones that he handed over to the FBI, which contain WhatsApp messages and documents and emails and so on, which I have, and which overlap with a lot of the material and confirm and verify a lot of the material on the laptop, but also augment it.
And then a third piece of the jigsaw puzzle is that Johnson-Grasley Senate report, because they had treasury documents, these suspicious activity reports showing this sort of money that was coming in from suspect sources overseas into American bank accounts that were associated with Hunter Biden and his partners.
So those three pieces of the jigsaw puzzle really give you a very disturbing view into the whole scheme, how blatant it was.
You know, it wasn't very sophisticated.
It was really just Joe Biden's sort of Tammany Hall shakedown of donors and corporations in Delaware that wanted favors from him in his powerful positions in the Senate.
As over the years, he was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, gave him a lot of pull in Delaware.
And he'd always managed to get for his family, you know, sort of these grifters, everything.
It was a magic carpet ride.
They had a life of immense entitlement and privilege.
They had any, you know, Ivy League college entries, judge clerkships, jobs, government sinecures, you know, inflated salaries, whatever they wanted, the Biden family got.
And he just internationalized that.
And the most damaging to America, of course, is the Chinese grift and the Chinese influence selling.
And we know, for instance, in 2013, Joe Biden brought his son Hunter to Beijing on Air Force Two for his meetings with President Xi Jinping and the top authorities in the Communist Party of China.
And we also know during that trip that Joe Biden went into a private meeting, shook hands with Hunter Biden's new business partner there in China, and that a few days after they left China, that Hunter Biden became a 10% owner of this Chinese company, BHR Investment Fund, which in 2019 had $2.5 billion worth of funds under management.
Now, he still owned that.
In effect, he was in partnership with the Chinese Communist Party.
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The last time I looked in September, his lawyer, his new lawyer, has told the New York Times more recently that he divested himself of that 10% share.
Now, I can't see evidence of that.
His company, Scenatolese, is still listed on the Chinese corporate registers as a 10% owner.
Scenadoles is still listed in Delaware, but it's listed as being on the Delaware Corporate Register as being dormant or license revoked, but that's for, I think, not paying yearly dues.
So I don't know whether he really has sold his 10% or not.
And when Jen Saki was asked by the New York Post Washington correspondent Stephen Nelson just a few days ago, she refused to answer and she referred all questions to Hunter Biden's lawyer, who does not answer questions from the New York Post.
So we're none the wiser and it's outrageous that the White House does not come clean with the American people.
If Hunter Biden has sold his share, he should be telling us how much for and who did he sell it to and when.
Well, there's so much more we can even get into this and it's just the surface.
It's Laptop from Hell by Miranda Devine.
I wish we had more time left to have you back on soon.
And it's just the fact that there hasn't been widespread criminal investigations into this.
It's bad for the country.
It really is.
It's just bad for our country in more ways than one.
Miranda, thank you so much for joining us and being so generous with your time.
Oh, thanks so much, Charlie.
Great to be with you all.
Thank you.
One of the best books ever written in recent times is Age of Entitlement.
I encourage all of you to check it out by Christopher Caldwell.
It's terrific.
I read it in like a week and a half.
And I'm very busy, always trying to prep for this show, try to read a book a week, do our best to try to do that.
So Caldwell argues in the age of entitlement that there was a great game that was played when we passed the Civil Rights Act.
That's not to say that there were not changes that were necessary.
There's not to say that it was all bad.
But there was a rather aggressive, almost like a square peg through a round hole style posture that was taken by the Civil Rights Act regime to make the federal government the enforcement arm of anti-racism.
Now, I know some people that believe that was perfectly fine, that it was the right move to use federal troops to desegregate schools.
I actually probably sympathize with that, to be perfectly honest.
I think it's a civil rights issue.
But when it started to get tricky, it was when all of a sudden private businesses were going to be forced what to do.
It also went so far, so dramatic, that all of a sudden the definition of civil rights was expanded beyond anything that everyone could have imagined.
It was more than voting rights.
It was more than access to representation at the polls, but also it became into private interactions.
But because of the expansion of the power that was given to the Department of Justice and with it, an entire civil rights kind of monstrosity, a machine that was created, we have seen the past couple decades the unintended consequences of such a regime.
And no one should be surprised now when you have people on MSNBC suggesting that the federal government should now send troops to take over elections in states, or they might require voter ID.
Get Cut 91 ready.
In Cut 91, some lunatic that shouldn't be allowed to get near political power says that the federal government should now use troops to take over elections in states if they don't allow mass mail and voting and if they dare purge their voter rolls.
Now, this is where this is going.
You see, the left is now realizing that they have to embrace and use political power to destroy you.
Play Cut 91.
This is an emergency.
And I know this is something that hasn't been done in 50, 60 years, but you know what happened when the federal government said, hey, Brown versus Board of Education, we've got to integrate schools?
They sent troops.
They sent federal officials to places and said, you will let black children into school.
This administration can say, we have concerns about how elections are being conducted in this particular state.
We're going to send officials down there.
We're going to send election observers.
If we think that people's civil rights are being violated, we will do a federal takeover.
We'll do a federal takeover.
Thankfully, the Constitution was written for people like him, but the Civil Rights Act and the whole regime that followed, it set that precedent.
And this is where this is headed.
Do not be surprised.
And I'm going to make a prediction here that ahead of the midterm elections, Merrick Garland deploys Department of Justice federal shock troops to battleground states and for swing states that are necessary for Republicans to take back the Senate.
Do not be surprised if Merrick Garland does a press release in June of this next year and says, DOJ to send 2,000 election observers to Maricopa County.
Now, the election observers will not be there to try to catch fraud.
No, they're going to be there to see whether or not mail and ballots go to every single person.
It's the opposite.
They're bringing election observers in to make sure the fraud goes untouched.
Do not be surprised that for Herschel Walker's Senate race, which he's already up on Raphael Warnock significantly, Trump endorsed Herschel Walker Heisman Trophy winning Herschel Walker, probably the second best running back ever in college football history.
Jim Brown than Herschel Walker.
It's not even close.
Where Herschel Walker is going to be in a very tight Senate race, tons of money will flow in.
Don't be surprised when the Department of Justice announces, hey, we're going to come bring in federal troops to try to make sure that we get what we want on the ground.
And what is the word that that lunatic said on MSNBC?
It's an emergency.
Of course it is.
Because now we have set the precedent that all you have to do is use the E-word emergency.
You can shut down the economy.
Emergency.
Everyone gets a mail and ballot.
Emergency.
We're sending in federal troops to make sure elections are done the way we want them to.
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