Epstein, Rittenhouse, Waukesha, and Bobulinski—Exposing the Media's 'Memory Hole' with Jack Posobiec
Charlie is joined by Senior Editor fo Human Events and host of Human Events Daily by TPUSA, Jack Posobiec, to discuss their upcoming, exclusive Kyle Rittenhouse interview. How will Charlie and Jack approach the interview? What caused Jack to pursue this story so doggedly when so many other reporters and members of the media wanted to avoid it? How has the mainstream news media misreported the rial, the incident, and now the verdict? Are they guilty of memory holing the truth about Kyle's case? Are they now doing the same with the Waukesha Christmas parade massacre? As new developments emerge in the trial against Ghislaine Maxwell and the leadership of Twitter, are we headed for even more aggressive "memory holing" by the tech and media gatekeepers?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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I was.
I was wandering around outside here in the Arizona sun with my suit on.
That's right.
It was one of those weird things where you wake up and you're like, what's going on?
Why am I in Arizona?
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And Jack is going to be interviewing Kyle Rittenhouse with me.
That will be Kyle's, I think, third conversation.
But we're going to have a fun conversation with him.
We're going to talk about his life.
We're going to talk about the trial.
We're going to, it's not going to.
The Tucker interview is really intense.
That was like the hard news.
You know, boom, boom, boom.
We're going to humanize you.
This is, I, because that's the one thing that no one has, and certainly at the trial, they didn't talk about that at all either.
And, and, um, I want to know, I want to find out who is Kyle Rittenhouse, the person.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
What, what does Kenosha mean to him?
You know, obviously we get that he went out there that night, but he didn't go out there thrill-seeking the way they said.
It's because Kenosha meant something to him.
The idea of hometown, the idea of this is a place, this is a community that is worth defending, that has value.
I think that's so important for this movement.
It's so important for where we are as a country right now.
And it's obviously part of his story that nobody really seems to be talking about.
Yeah.
And in addition to that, you know, how they try to destroy his life, basically because he fit into an archetype that the regime doesn't want, which is a young white male from northern Illinois carrying a gun with his mouth open and the hat backwards during the midst of Floyd Apalooza.
Like that's not supposed to happen.
Well, it was also because it served two purposes for the regime propagandists.
So one was that it forced them to have to deal with the fact that the 2020 riots were in fact riots and not peaceful protests.
So it forced you to deal with that violence, but it also provided them a scapegoat.
It provided the entire national media, the national establishment infrastructure with a scapegoat to be able to pin everything on and say, don't worry.
Don't worry about the 30-plus people who were killed in these riots.
Don't worry about the kids who were killed in Chaz up in Seattle.
No, no, no.
Worry about Kyle Rittenhouse.
And we were talking about this last night over text.
This is the idea, the concept of anti-interest, right?
So anti-don't be interested in Chaz.
Yes.
Anti-interest.
People were killed at Waukesha.
Anti-interest.
We're going to talk about that.
Six people killed.
But we're not supposed to talk about it.
Talk about the car.
Talk about, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse again.
Talk about Gen 6.
Don't talk about Waukesha.
Never, ever, ever talk about Waukesha.
So it's an anti-interest disinformation campaign that's run around events like this.
But of course, because of Kyle Rittenhouse's situation, they were forced to deal with it.
So what do they do?
They make it about him.
It's the exact same thing, by the way, that used to happen at Trump rallies all the way back in 2015, 2016, where Antifa or left-wing groups would show up and they would start attacking people.
San Jose was one of the biggest ones of these in 2015.
They would start attacking people coming out of the rally, throwing eggs at women and different things.
And the media would always refer to it as violence breaks out at Trump rallies.
Yes, that's right.
So to make you think, so they never talk about where the violence comes from.
They never talk about the source of it.
They just say Trump and violence.
And so they co-brand that.
That's right.
And it's intentional for the purpose of trying to, I mean, create a narrative.
All they have is the narrative, right?
And so here you have two incidents, right?
So you have Kyle Rittenhouse, who has been declared not guilty, innocent by a jury of his peers for self-defense, never should have been indicted, never should have put in prison for 87 days, never should have been put through all this smeared, and he's victorious.
But just right down the street, and Jack, you've kind of, you have, you have this tendency to zero in on really important stories that the media tends to forget about and then just kind of keeping the drumbeat going.
And I mean that you're the best at that is this story of what happened in Waukesha, which was a Christmas parade.
And you have a black terrorist who's an anti-Semite who gets in the car, intentionally murders six people and injures 40 others.
We should point out as well that there are still children in the ICU right now, as you and I are talking.
And the media will not be bothered by this.
And what's amazing is, and I saw some tweets about this, that people were even saying they're like, hey, I've got like liberal friends and colleagues.
That was Guy Benson said.
That's Guy Benson said that.
That's who it was.
And they're reaching out to me saying, I think I start to see what you're talking about with the media.
Look at Deborah Messing, right?
Deborah Messing, who's known as, I mean, she's like a full-on blue and on, you know, arch leftist tweeting, this was an attack.
She called it the Waukeshaw massacre, which it was.
Because again, in the same way, right, that Loudoun County touched a nerve with everyone is because they were targeting children.
It's the same situation that you see in Waukesha, the targeting of children, and it's disgusting.
Yes.
But from an analytic perspective, you're hitting on social, biological, and spiritual triggers within people that are at a very, very deep level.
We're talking deep programming, base level programming.
Yes.
That you must defend your children.
These are people.
And in this case, he was killing children.
We know he killed at least one.
He tried to kill more than just one.
And so when we walked through that, you even had, you even had people online.
There was a guy in Anon, right?
You know, they call him the Anons.
And they were going through and driving the route.
So they drove the actual route after the thing had all been cleaned up and then timed it along to the police scanner radio.
Why?
So they could figure out the different speeds that he was using along that route.
And they realized that the only way it made sense, Charlie, was if he was driving slowly at the beginning and then sped up as he got closer to the parade.
The other thing that they showed very clearly for anyone to see, if you're not from Waukesha, and I remember in the early minutes of this, there's a group I work with called MythInformed Milwaukee, and they're all locals to the area.
And so they helped out with Kenosha.
They, you know, tell me about Jack Waukeshaw, it's tons of roads, many ways to go.
If you're fleeing the police, remember fleeing the police.
There's so many ways you could go.
Why would you ever drive down a parade?
It doesn't make any sense.
They point out he had to turn through the barricades, turn onto a separate road, drive through the barricades deliberately to attack this parade.
If he was right to take the media's disinformation line, and it is disinformation, we can talk more about that.
It wouldn't have made any sense because he could have just continued driving straight and then been out of town.
And yet the media will not be concerned or distracted by this whatsoever.
They want nothing to do with Waukesha at all.
Well, I think you have different levels, right?
So I think most people that work and there was a there's actually a line in on Ryan Long's podcast recently to give a guy a shout out.
He said, we should stop calling them journalists.
We should just start calling them content creators.
So Brian Stelter's a CNN content creator and Jake Tapers a CNN content creator.
Well, TikTok people have far more integrity, though.
Exactly.
That's far more.
And so when you compare them on that level, I mean, suddenly you're taking away all the trappings of it.
And so the people that are hired for these journalistic positions, you go through the Columbia Journalism Review, right?
Yes.
They know that the people that are hired at that level, look, you end up going through one of these J schools, journalism schools, and you get like a 22-year-old graduate.
They don't know how to do journalism anymore.
They're activists whose journalism consists of, oh, I'm going to type in the search bar on Google and pick whatever the top three links are.
Yes.
And they're the ones who get put out.
Then they regurgitate whatever was said, maybe add like one line on top or something like that.
They're not actually going out.
They're not doing the work anymore.
And that is why that model is completely failing.
And so Daryl Brooks called for violence against white people.
Oh, yeah.
He had explicit postings about trying to kill white people and try to put forward violence against them.
He has a $5 million bond right now, right, in Wisconsin.
Which is ridiculous.
It should have been zero.
Zero bond.
None.
He's a mass murderer, six people.
There's still children in the ICU.
And the media is done.
No follow-up about friends and family, none about motives, none about, you know, where they came from.
But Charlie, think of the narrative policing that's done by people.
So they call them the narrative police.
Maybe we call them narrative commissars now, by places like the Daily Beast.
They'll tell you every single thing that Kyle Rittenhouse ever said on social media, the name of his account, what kind of hand gestures he's making in photos on his account.
But when it comes to Darrell Lee Brooks, don't talk about that account.
That's a bad faith connection, right?
You see what they're doing, Charlie, is it's narrative policing.
This isn't journalism.
It's cracking down on people doing actual terrorism.
And it's because of the regime.
The narrative is all they have, right?
So they do not have anything else except white people are going to be roaming the streets with guns and try to kill people.
And black people, they're nothing but victims.
But Daryl Brooks, being a black supremacist terrorist, is a narrative buster.
Therefore, they must memory hole him.
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Who are we going to be interviewing together, Jack?
We are going to be interviewing the Kenosha kid himself.
Kyle Rittenhouse.
I don't do a lot of joint interviews, but I said, Jack deserves and earned to interview Kyle alongside me because you were on top of the Rittenhouse thing the entire time.
You know, I just thought that it was a case where it would have been very easy and probably, you know, to some extent safer, right, to not talk about this.
The media had run an entire disinformation program against this individual and said he's a racist and he's a killer and he's a murderer and a thug and a thrill seeker and all this stuff.
And the normal things where people could say, well, you know, maybe I'll just go tweet about the CCP and, you know, do something that is considered a little safer these days.
I don't know if the CCP is considered safer, but it's definitely safer than Rittenhouse.
Than Rittenhouse.
Yeah, yeah, comparatively.
So it's, and it's my bread and butter as well.
But at the same time, I remember watching it that night on the live stream and I saw what happened.
And that left an indelible vision in my mind, indelible image in my mind.
And it's one of those things where, you know, I couldn't see an innocent person go behind bars.
And I couldn't see someone who, by the way, wasn't just defending himself, right?
The FBI's Hidden Exculpatory Evidence00:03:14
He's a survivor.
And I think people need to understand that.
He's a survivor.
He obviously, they said throughout the trial that he has begun therapy for PTSD.
If you saw him when he took the stand, he clearly showed, I mean, I'm a veteran.
That's clear textbook signs of PTSD.
If you met someone who's been in combat, that, you know, they used to call it shell shock, you know, before they had real studies on it, but classic symptoms, right?
Anybody who said that was, you know, put on or something.
No, that's, that's what it looks like.
That's exactly what it looks like.
So, you know, it was a situation where I said, I don't want to let the media win on this because I think this is something where it's not just about, it is about Kyle, the person, right?
And certainly his family and everything they've been through, but it's also about where we are as a country, whether or not we have the right to self-defense, the Second Amendment.
And, you know, I had to say this because I think a lot of people weren't getting it that self-defense.
They said, well, why do you, why can you do that?
Right.
Why should you be able to do that?
And it's quite clear.
Self-defense, the right to self-defense is the positive expression of the right to life.
So you have the right to life.
And we say that's in all of our founding documents.
We are pro-life, right?
But if you can't defend it, right?
If you can't defend your life, well, then you don't actually have any positive expression of that right.
So, yes, the right to defend your life means I will defend my life up to and including any cost because I will have that right and I will defend it.
Period.
I mean, I totally agree.
And your coverage of the Rittenhouse trial, you were early, you were ahead of the curve, and you were breaking stories throughout.
And so you were.
We did.
We ended up getting, well, the big one, I think, really, and there's lots of little things that you could say, you know, we got into the evidence tampering.
We got into the really corrupt things that this DA Binger and this guy Lunchbox, I call him, were doing his sidekick.
Nobody even remembers his name anywhere.
Everybody calls him Lunchbox.
I've even been told that in Kenosha at that courthouse, people are calling him Lunchbox now.
And the big video that we broke was the fact that the FBI had aerial surveillance.
This was an amazing story.
And we got the actual footage from an FBI, it was contractors, FBI contracted airplane with an optical package on the bottom of it, where this had not been released for 14 months, Charlie.
The FBI, the whole thing was exculpatory.
But here's the bigger question: what was the FBI hiding?
And I think it's pretty clear, right?
They probably had these up over every single one of those riots in 2020.
The riots that were all told were just political protests.
And I'll do one better, they more than likely had a special access program or a SAP that was running where, do you really think the FBI is only going to put an optical package on their planes?
No.
They more than likely had a signals package, communications package, where they're tracking cell phones, they're tracking SIM cards, they want to know who's in there.
So that means in real time, more than likely in real time, they knew exactly who was in that riot, exactly who was firing, exactly who was chasing who, even several of the people who fired at Kyle that have still not been identified.
What Was the FBI Hiding00:02:04
Because I watch that video a lot of times.
When he's running down that street, you can hear gunfire going off at him.
We still have no idea who exactly.
But the FBI knows.
But the FBI knows.
100%.
And it was.
And they knew that night.
It was exculpatory and it could have all of this drama with Kyle could have been avoided, but the prosecutors intentionally withheld evidence.
Imagine if that video had come out the next day.
Yeah, and it would have changed the entire game.
But of course, our government is not in the interest of protecting young teenagers that are not in the regime.
But Charlie, I thought it was all about finding truth and seeking justice.
Right.
Democracy dies in darkness.
Yes.
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Jack, I have a feeling that we're going to get a couple of views on that interview.
One or two, more than likely.
I think that's going to be pretty well.
Well, we'll share it.
Might have to talk about ASU a little bit.
Yes, we're going to talk about that.
I had an opportunity to meet Kyle a couple days ago.
What an amazing young man.
Scapegoating Regular People Quickly00:10:51
I mean, I say this.
He's an objectively a smart young person.
I haven't met him yet, but I've had the opportunity to speak with him on the phone.
And you'll be blown away.
He's real.
He's so down to earth.
He's real.
And I love real.
It's so rare.
You know, and I think back to myself at 17, 18, and I'm like going to concerts, chasing girls.
I'm not thinking about any of this stuff.
And, you know, maybe that's one of those things in the late 90s, early 2000s, you didn't have to think about this stuff.
That's an interesting point, which is that.
Politics was something that, you know, pre-9/11, politics was something that came around like once every four years and then went away.
Unless you were super into it.
Yeah, unless you're like a teacher.
But it's also, it was transactional.
It was like, I want to be a Senate staffer.
Yeah.
It wasn't.
Like you had to choose to go.
There's no choosing anymore.
No.
And that's interesting.
I want to read this quote from one of my favorite books, 1984 by George Orwell.
People that listen to this show, Jack, they know that we have studied 84 together.
And I think actually many of the lessons of 84 are actually summarized incorrectly.
The surveillance part of 84 is only one part of it, right?
Everyone thinks that, oh, the government's going to spy on everything you do.
That's only one element.
Well, that's what, you know, Orwell was like only half right on the mass surveillance.
What do you mean by that?
Because we do have mass surveillance now, but it's not just the government.
It's just everyone's surveilling on everyone else.
That's right.
Well, no, he was right about that.
So he was right that there'd be informers everywhere.
He'd write about kids turning in their parents, kids turning to parents.
He saw that.
So he saw it, but he didn't realize that even the technology, and he, you know, how would you know, writing in the 40s, that the technological capacity that we would have to do?
When he wrote the book, we didn't have iPhones.
He came up, he saw the telescreen.
We didn't have a phone.
He did see the telescreen.
That's true.
That's true.
But where I think that.
Was it how many 15 minutes exercise or something every morning?
I would actually not, I don't think Orwell got anything wrong.
Which, by the way, I mean, if every American had to do 15 minutes exercise, that might just say.
I just don't think the way that we look at 84 is totally correct, which is the end of 84 is the most important part where the initial rebel actually then becomes a subservient slave to the state because it's this loop that Orwell argues.
It's a very provocative argument that hatred can eventually become love if you if you push the human soul and spirit so far.
Hatred and love are two sides of the same coin.
Yeah.
And because so anyway, I want to read this quote.
By the way, I went to see the 84, the play that they did up in New York.
The play was even worse.
Oh, is that right?
Even that's hard to believe.
I mean, it was like they tried to do this whole Quentin Tarantino, take it out of time kind of thing.
The only thing they did well was the remember the name of the number of the room, room 101.
You mean when Mr. O'Brien came in?
Yeah.
That one they did really well on stage.
But the rest of it, yeah, with the box, with the rats.
Yes.
But everything else was just horrible.
All right.
Let me read this quote.
This last was for the disposal for waste paper.
Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room, but at short intervals in every corridor.
For some reason, they were nicknamed memory holes.
When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about it, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in.
Whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.
What is Orwell talking about here, Jack?
So, and I don't even think people realize that memory holing actually is a term that was created by Orwell, the fact that we use it all the time now.
What he's talking about is if something becomes dangerous to the narrative or something becomes problematic for the narrative, then it must be disposed of.
Specifically, they talk about people and they're referring to certain Soviet leaders or referencing certain Soviet leaders who were sort of purged.
And then not only were they taken away from the current lineup, but any mention of them, and there's photographs of Stalin and others that are taken away because it's so important that remember, the revolution must be perfect.
The party must be perfect.
The party does not make mistakes.
The regime does not make mistakes.
Big Brother does not make mistakes.
And so anything in the past that could be considered, that we now realize was a mistake must be taken away because it must be pristine.
It must be perfect.
The problem, though, Charlie, and you're seeing this with Jack Dorsey today, talk about the breaking news.
Breaking Twitter.
What is the breaking Twitter news?
So the breaking news on Twitter, which isn't Twitter news, actually news about Twitter, the company, is that Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, announced that he's going to be stepping down as CEO today.
And they are appointing a longtime employee of Twitter to be a guy who's been very, I'm just going to say it, very pro-censorship.
He's posted very left-wing sentiments, obviously not a Trump fan, to say the least, about Twitter for years, going back.
And you can just look at his feed and see it there.
And he said something where he doesn't believe, right?
This is the new CEO, doesn't believe that Twitter should be interested in focusing on free speech.
He says we should be focusing on the times have changed.
The times have changed.
And so here's the problem for the memory holers and the regime propagandists and the narrative commissars.
With social media and the information age, it has democratized information.
It's democratized narratives.
It's given regular people the ability to go.
Like I'm a kid from Philly area, you know, grew up in post-industrial town, you know.
And then, you know, my family going back all the way in Poland was just a bunch of farmers and soldiers, right?
But we have the ability now to go in and dig up stuff that they tried to bury in these memory holes.
And that represents a huge problem for the regime.
So that is why they try to shut everybody down.
That is why they are kicking Jack Dorsey out now.
They're bringing in this censorship guy.
They want it, by the way, done before McCarthy and the new Congress gets in in 23.
So there's a timeline on this.
But most importantly, though, they need to understand that the narrative is so important for them to keep because think of it, right?
All of the things that we've just been talking about, if we didn't have the ability to go into the narrative, dig up facts on our own, and then also have the distribution ability to share that with people.
And I understand there are other distribution channels being built, but currently they're so strong of the current ones.
That's why a lot of people have said, you know, do these things look like public utilities, right?
And that I think is an interesting argument.
It's obviously not a traditional conservative argument, but if you look at it from a people-first perspective, it clearly does look like this is, I mean, it's where you get your news.
It's where you get your local news.
We don't have the newspaper anymore.
We have the local Facebook page.
Right.
Right.
Or what's the one?
Nextdoor, right?
Or some of these other apps.
I actually love Nextdoor because it's all the Karens in my neighborhood.
So I get to see like someone that was on my lawn and, you know, somebody, but you actually get some cool stuff on there too, because somebody posts a ring video like, hey, somebody's going around the neighborhood keeping an out for this guy.
So I think I actually think that stuff is great.
And you're starting to see burgeoning, you know, reforming communities, things like this.
So what, so speaking of memory holes and things they don't want us to talk about, what's going on with the Ghelane Maxwell trial?
It starts today, right?
Yeah.
So they're doing to Ghelane Maxwell the exact same thing they did to Kyle Rittenhouse.
And you're not going to hear anybody else say that.
I mean, there's probably going to be people in the comments right now saying, Jack, you can't compare her to Kyle Rittenhouse.
It doesn't make any sense.
That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the practice of scapegoating.
The Jeffrey Epstein story is only as important as the Jeffrey Epstein network.
It's about the black book.
It's about how did he have that access to power?
How did he get these presidents, these world leaders, these thinkers, these intellectuals, these financiers on his plane on the Lolita Express all the way down to his island?
That's what the story is about.
But they don't want you to talk about the Epstein network.
They want you to talk about him.
They want you to talk about did he or didn't he in this jail cell?
And they want you to talk about Ghelane Maxwell.
And then she'll probably, I'm just going to say it.
She will probably be convicted.
I do believe she should have a fair trial because I believe everyone should have a fair trial, but she will probably be convicted.
And then they want the story to be memory hold.
And so the Epstein thing is super interesting because anytime they call us conspiracy theorists, if I ever get a chance to talk to journalists, I say, wait a second.
If you would have told me five years ago, it would be conventional.
Oh, yeah.
Like just like everyone would know that there was a multi, not even billionaire, let's just say rich guy flying around members of the royal family, former presidents and others to an island with underage girls.
What would you say that would be four years ago?
They'd say, that's a conspiracy theorist.
That's Alex Jones.
That's Infowars.
They want to get this out.
They want to get this away quickly.
They don't want emphasis on it.
Do you think we're going to learn anything in this trial?
Honestly, I mean, we're going to cover it, Charlie, on Human Events Daily, the same way that we covered Kyle Rittenhouse, the same way we covered everything else.
But honestly, my hopes are not that high.
I'm setting the bar pretty low on this one because we've already been told.
Do you think she's going to sing?
That's certain.
No, I don't think she will.
I think she's been told it will go better for you if you let this process play out.
So she gets life in jail.
So what?
You'll get life in jail.
And that's it.
So she spends the next 30 years of her life reading Dostoevsky or something or like.
Or maybe writing her own.
Yeah, I mean, exactly.
I mean, I guess.
She's someone who, I mean, when you really look at it from that perspective, she holds all the cards.
She actually does because she's the only one who knows the secrets.
So the question is, if you're going to convict her and put her in a box for the rest of her life, why wouldn't she talk?
Well, that's the question.
What are they threatening her with?
Right.
So either that or there's loved ones that she cares about that have been subtly threatened.
She is married.
I believe she has a couple of stepkids.
Okay.
Yeah.
Or she gets a bigger box to spend the rest of her life in minimum security prison or something.
I can't imagine, you know, I can't imagine what else you would be providing.
I mean, look, when I was at Guantanamo Bay, I did a deployment down there.
You know, you'd sit there with these guys and they would say, you know, what are you going to offer me?
You can't get me out of here.
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You can't get me home.
I'm stuck here for the rest of my life, you know?
And then, you know, the guy would have to say, well, Barack Obama tried to get you out of here and he couldn't even do it.
So what makes you think I can?
He outranks me by a little bit.
But it really does become a situation of, look, I can get you better accommodations.
But as beyond that, there's not really much I could do.
Guantamino is right near Cuba, isn't it?
It's in Cuba.
I never understood the makeup of that.
So it's on a peninsula that's like at the edge of the actual Bay of Guantanamo.
But we control it.
We've controlled it since the Spanish-American War of 1898 is our oldest overseas base.
And so how much of Cuba then do we then control?
It's like less than a percent.
Okay.
But so then that gives us then the ability to not have to be under American law.
Is that right?
I mean, that was the thinking under the Bush administration.
The Supreme Court kind of eviscerated that, but that was the thinking.
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So, Jack, I have four topics.
Take your pick.
Walk a shop, Maxwell, Twitter, or the Epstein Network, or Hunter Biden and the new Tony Bobulinsky stuff.
I haven't heard the new Tony Bobulinsky stuff.
He's the new Tony.
He's coming out.
He's coming out of hiding and he's going to.
Is he coming out?
He's going to confirm that the big man was indeed Joe Biden.
Pierogi gang, ladies and gentlemen.
Never discount the pierogi gang.
What's that?
The polls will always ride to the defense of the West.
When you are in your darkest hour, when the communists are at your door in 1920 about and the Red Army is about to take over all of Europe, it will be Poland standing in the breach.
What does that have to do with?
Oh, you're saying because Tony's...
Because Bobulinsky's Polish.
Got it.
Okay.
So.
It's always the polls, folks.
Always the polls.
So the Hunter Biden thing, I don't think we're going to get much movement on that.
Same sort of deal.
I mean, I think we knew that, though.
I mean, when I got that hard drive, and I still have a copy of it, by the way, of what?
The Hunter Biden hard drive.
See, be careful saying that they're going to raid your apartment or something.
They probably will.
You know, I've said it publicly.
I said, do you guys want that?
I'd be happy to give you a copy.
I went on, I went on War Room at the time and I said, Maggie Haberman, Jake Taper, you guys, you're right here in town.
Come by.
And I will give you.
And then Mark Cuban.
So what's on the hardware?
Mark Cuban responded to me and said he would come by and get it, but he was like, he was putting all these like caveats on it.
Like, oh, but I don't want the Giuliani hard drive.
I want to.
What is on the Hunter Biden hard drive?
Okay, so.
Separate fact from fiction.
Right.
So there's some, I mean, this guy had his interests that were, there's definitely a lot of depravity.
Is there illegal depravity?
I'm not qualified in that, qualified enough in that realm to be able to say one way or the other.
Okay.
I will say it is questionable.
And I'm trying very hard to talk around what it is, but it's one of those situations where you just don't know.
You know what I mean?
You just don't know.
So I would have to show that to a qualified person who's worked in that field about essentially, well, the Ghislaine Maxwell kind of stuff to determine whether or not we could, I mean, essentially, you'd have to identify who the girls are and then find out birth dates and that kind of thing.
I imagine would be, as Pat explained to me, is what you would do.
But in addition to that, in addition to that, and there's a lot of that, there's so much of that.
You have evidence of financial corruption going back years and years and years.
So Hunter Biden, and you can see this throughout the emails, the texts, he's the money guy.
He's the bagman for the family.
Joe doesn't touch the money.
Jill doesn't touch the money.
But when they need something paid for, they go to Hunter and they say, hey, move this money from here.
They were using like Venmo and Cash App and different things and just all the, you know, pay off this thing, pay off that thing, because they knew Hunter had the family money.
It's actually very Irish in many ways.
Also with the family drama, right?
It's a lot of Irish family drama, but also just this idea that's what you're really saying.
Yeah, well, that'd be Italian if I'd say mafios.
But there was an Irish that's their own.
Believe me, in Philly, we used to call them the KNA gang.
And I will say this.
So the KNA gang ran the streets.
That's Kensington now.
So what you see those crazy videos of Philly, that's Kensington, Kensington and Allegheny.
That area used to be controlled by the Irish mafia called the KNA gang.
And let me tell you something.
You were not doing drugs on the street when the KNA gang was in town.
So when you move down to Newark, Delaware, and in many ways, you know, Joe Biden used to be referred to as the third Pennsylvania senator, and there's a reason for this, that he was running that same type of operation.
But of course, Delaware is the state of corporate America.
Every major corporation is incorporated in Delaware, and Joe Biden was their senator, the same way that Chuck Schumer is very closely tied to Wall Street.
So it's, you know, that was always his power base.
So you can see the money is being funneled through Hunter, through various deals and, you know, opportunities, whether it be this Bohai Harvest thing in China or Burisma in Ukraine.
I mean, he's got, you know, Rosemont Seneca, all these different names and shell companies, but that's essentially what's going on.
Is the federal government investigating any of this?
We're told that there was an investigation opened for tax purposes.
That's the only thing we were told.
It's pretty weak.
It's ridiculous, but at the same time, that's why, and you and I were just talking about this offline.
You do need a new church and pike commission.
I would go ahead and call it the Langley Commission.
I didn't know you had a copy of the hard drive.
I do have a copy of the hard drive.
Do you ever think of publishing it?
We could figure it out.
Well, that's the thing, though, is like there's private information on here.
There's stuff that could be illegal on here.
So it's in terms of publishing it.
I don't, I mean, let's talk to the lawyers first.
Yeah, I just hope you don't get your door kicked in because that's what happened to James O'Keefe.
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