Host of the Conservative Review podcast, Daniel Horowitz, sits down on The Charlie Kirk Show to discuss COVID thought crimes the mainstream news media doesn't want you to hear about. From Ivermectin, the vaccine, miracles in India, and how the vaccine is affecting our current COVID treatment strategies, Daniel bring some provocative ideas that are not allowed to be voiced in polite society. If you have questions about COVID, about the vaccine, about alternative treatments, this is the episode for you. This is a CAN'T MISS discussion with Daniel Horowitz from The Blaze, a national treasure who will challenge your assumptions and give you the intellectual ammunition to push back against talking point answers from the left and the MSM. Share this episode EVERYWHERE. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
With us today is a friend of mine, and I do not say this lightly.
He is one of the smartest people on the planet, and he's a gift.
He's a gift to our country.
He's a gift from God.
And he is wise.
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And going all the way back at the beginning of the pandemic, he's always just decided to go where the numbers, where the numbers lead him.
And quite honestly, also on crime, he's had some of the best articles on what's happening with crime in America, but that's not what we're here to talk about.
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The Virus Is Not Natural00:08:23
And he's in very high demand now.
He's a treasure.
When he talks, I just stop.
I drop what I'm doing.
I say he makes sense.
He knows his stuff.
And we have gone into great detail on two of his articles in particular that I want to talk about.
But first, Daniel, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Great to be with you.
And thank you for your kind comments.
Look, I never thought that during a time of an open border, the most ubiquitous crime wave we've ever experienced, and inflation like Venezuela, strained supply lines, those wouldn't even be the problems.
We'd literally be fighting for our bodies, our lives, our ability to live.
And that's certainly what's been keeping me busy, but glad to join you today.
Well, it's just terrific.
And so we're going to go into two of your articles in particular and we'll see where it leads us.
The first, I want to talk about your piece on a province in India from Uttar Pradesh.
I might be mispronouncing it and how they used ivermectin.
What do the numbers tell you when you did your research?
Sure.
So, you know, one thing is very clear.
Whatever you do or don't do, pharmaceutical intervention, NPI, non-pharmaceutical intervention, I think the most consistent thing the last 18 months is it comes, it saturates an area for six to eight weeks and it leaves and then kind of comes back.
So, you know, it's hard to draw conclusions because we have to understand natural cycles are the most important thing here.
Now, to be clear, the virus is not natural.
It was created and contrived.
But once it's in circulation, that's what it seems to do.
However, when you go to this province in India, and actually several others that also use ivermectin, but this one is the most profound because they institutionalized it most broadly throughout the population, is that their curve dropped the quickest and the earliest, and then it flatlined.
So if you look at America, if you look at anywhere in Europe, even when it's low and out of season, there's a certain floor.
There's a certain floor that is kind of always circulating.
There it is literally dead.
And when I say dead, I mean a place, you know, what, 70% of the size of America, right?
240 million people having 10 cases.
10 cases.
I just want to say, so this is Uttar Pradesh, a province in India, which is it, are they richer than Americans?
You know, these are the places where you see 10, 12 o'clock at night, the streets line with homeless people.
And I say that obviously facetiously, meaning that they do not have anywhere near the type of healthcare we have, but you're saying they're near almost immeasurable low rates of the Fauci virus.
And you say that's because that well, so the only explanation we have is that they were using ivermectin and not just like, okay, you could use it in the hospital if you want and we won't cut your head off like they do here, but they actually proactively, and there's doctors there that talk about this.
They put out good videos about it.
They would proactively get people on ivermectin, dispense it to the homes.
So people are taking it early.
Some were taking it prophylactically as a preemptive measure, where obviously it's almost impervious.
If you use it, then that's always the best before the virus could replicate inside the cells.
And then, and it wasn't just that.
They also use antibiotics.
Either some used oxycycline, azithromycin, and a few other things.
And it's important to realize, again, it's not about any one drug.
We have done everything except for treat the virus, right?
It's an unbelievable thing that has been forgotten.
We have never done this in history.
So there, they don't have enough rope to hang themselves.
They don't have the money we have to spend trillions of dollars on things that don't work and then, you know, shut down, but then, you know, backfill that with trillions of dollars of printed monopoly money.
They can't do that.
So here we've made everything expensive.
They are for pennies on the dollars.
They had ivermectin, and now Americans are ironically getting it from India because they've locked it up here for most people.
And what you see is a flat line.
And when I say a flat line, I mean 10 cases in a country, a state the size of 70% of America, 240 million people.
And half of the districts in Uttar Pradesh have zero cases, and the other half that have more people in them have a few.
Now, Daniel, the let's say medical industrial complex people, when I mention this, they say it's because they don't have testing.
It's because they're covering it up.
It's because it's happening.
But unlike in America, you know, because we're so sophisticated, we know when we have the virus.
Is there any truth to that?
In fact, India is a very strong bureaucratic state.
They have tons of testing there.
Their positivity rate is 0.00030s before a 3%, the lowest out of, I want to make this clear.
It is the largest state in India.
People may never have heard of it, but it ropes in a little bit of Delhi and some urban areas.
It is the largest, most populous state in India, which is the second most populous country on earth, and it has the lowest positivity rate.
So that flies in the face of all the epidemiology we typically see, that the more urban an area is, the more it percolates.
They had plenty of cases, but when they started using ivermectin, they got it down.
And when they got it down, it's been, I would say, you know, July, August, September, October, four months, four months of flat line.
We don't have anywhere on earth where we have four months of flat line.
So that is what it looks like when you treat it and you treat it early.
There's no such thing as high risk, low risk, obese.
I mean, there is.
In fact, there's in, don't get me wrong, but it's a matter of treat it or not treat it.
We have an epidemic of the untreated.
That is the point.
And that's, and again, it's not ivermectin.
I want to make it very, I love ivermectin.
It's a matter, I could come up with 50 things.
In other words, someone has their, they call their PCP.
So the same PCP that's like, hey, I'm writing a letter to your kids' class.
No one, no two-year-old is allowed to be there unmasked when they don't have the virus, by the way.
But then that same physician, if a 70-year-old patient with cardiovascular disease and diabetes calls up and says, hey, I just tested positive for COVID.
Hey, no problem.
Wait until you can't breathe and then go to the hospital.
And we have some beautiful remdesivir waiting there for you at 3,000 a pop to cause renal failure and liver toxicity.
And they won't even prescribe.
There's a very nuanced drug that you might never have heard of.
It's called prednisone, right?
You know, we kind of prescribe that pretty often.
So, you know, if you got a guy with his blood oxygen level in the 70s, that's hard to deal with.
And that's what this thing has proven.
But if you get the blood oxygen, now, really, it should never even get there.
But let's say his blood oxygen level dips below 95.
That's where you need to come in with high-dose prednisone.
Just that alone, the steroids, we know it works.
And they do try to use it in the hospital, though, the wrong steroid at the wrong dosage.
But that's another story.
But that's when you got to do it.
They will not prescribe.
I've had doctors tell me that they'll have a patient who's not even COVID.
It's like a sinus infection or pneumonia, and they'll prescribe azithromycin and prednisone.
And the guy will say, That looks like a COVID protocol.
I'm not filling that.
So, so, you know, Charlie, this is the most revealing thing of the last 18 months, more so than the shots and the mask and the lockdown to the extent commensurate with how much you claim to care about COVID.
Oh my God, a two-year-old walking around without symptoms, he might have COVID.
He needs a mask.
Well, certainly if a guy got COVID, man, he has COVID.
Learning Western Heritage History00:04:40
Oh, my God, we bring up all the stuff and everything.
No, drop dead.
I don't want to hear from you because they don't care about COVID.
They don't want to treat it.
And not only don't they want to treat it, here's the deal: the most important thing, it's hard to review 18 months' worth.
And I know we've been, you know, it's been a while since I've been on, but the most important thing here and now that will answer everything that's going on, every enigma, is this.
They want to make sure there is no control group.
And I don't mean control is in power that they want.
I mean, scientifically, a control group that does something different than what they're doing.
Because if you had one state where people ubiquitously early on were like, I got COVID, rather than test and trace, test and control, test and treat right away.
Like imagine you get a colonoscopy and like, hey, there's a bunch of polyps there.
Let's wait until it's stage four cancer.
Well, why treat it early when you can treat it later?
No, that's when you bomb away.
We don't, not a single person had to die from this after the first two, three weeks.
That is the biggest scandal.
They created the virus.
They threw us in a building, set it on fire, blocked all the exits, and then threw lighter fluid on it to make sure it would burn quickly.
That's the so-called vaccine and the remdesivir.
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Exposing the Criminal Enterprise00:14:53
Pandemic of the untreated.
And so, Daniel, in one of your pieces, if my memory serves me well, I'm going to dig it up.
You allude to the fact that this really is a regime that is being run by pharmaceutical companies, that this is about a small group of pharmaceutical companies that are calling the shots.
Is it that sinister?
Is it that diabolical, Daniel?
Or is there another explanation to this?
I mean, I think it's broader than that, but certainly one of the lead ships in that armada of the system, when you talk about the system, the cabal, the globalists, it's the pharmaceuticals.
And I love how you call it the Fauci virus.
China virus is really off message.
They likely knew about it and maybe they had some involvement.
This ain't the Chinese.
They used Wuan because it was off shores.
This was done by UNC, UNC Chapel Hill, Burrick, Jurassic, Fauci, and all the pharmaceuticals that were in it.
By the way, fun fact, UNC Chapel Hill, which is the ground zero for the Guinness Function Research for Coronaviruses, you know that they're the ones who had remdesivir.
Gilead somehow got a hold of it.
Look it up, UNC Remdesivir.
How is it that the only thing that was ever approved, which as I wrote yesterday, I have an article on this at the Blaze, NIH's own website says it causes liver toxicity and renal failure.
And we're seeing that with so many patients, which is why a lot of people come in moderate, you know, moderate COVID.
They should get over it, just like they go into the hospital with pneumonia every year.
COPD, we have this.
It's treatable and they die.
And it is the remdesivir.
It's one vicious cycle.
So they'll look at Ivermectin and say, we can't use that.
And they're like, okay, let's say we're wrong and it's a sugar pill, but it is literally safer than Tylenol.
It won the Nobel Prize.
Every piece of literature says it's well tolerated.
No one's ever had a problem.
Why not try it?
No, no, it's not enough.
So you're like, man, these guys are real sticklers.
And then you, but then you look to remdesivir and it has negative efficacy.
There's not a single study that says it works.
Not a single doctor that says it works.
Causes kidney.
You know, by the way, think about this.
They create a virus that causes liver failure and blood clots.
They created a shot that causes cardiovascular and hematological issues.
Then they to mop it up, to round out the organs, they create a therapeutic that causes kidney and liver failure.
And by the way, the other drug they use in the ICU is Olumient, O-L-U-M-I-N-T.
That's the brand name.
I can't pronounce the generic, so that's why I use Olumiant.
The brand name starts with a, the generic starts with a B. That's what you'll see in the media more often.
Do you know it has a black box FDA warning?
So that's a term of art.
It's very rare.
It's not like, you know, every drug is like, you might die, yada, yada, yada.
They have to put that on there.
This is a black box warning for you guessed it, Charlie.
Blood clots.
So you have a guy in a situation in the ICU where the most precarious thing that you're trying to avoid is a pulmonary embolism, blood clotting in the lungs, blood clotting elsewhere as well.
And the one thing they use causes, one thing causes kidney and liver failure.
The other thing causes blood clots.
You can't do this by accident.
And I've had lawyers on my podcast that have taken them to court and they testified in court that they advised the family to take the patient off of life support.
So bottom of the ninth inning, three outs, it's over.
They admit it's over.
So the family's like, could we please try ivermectin?
And they're like, it might cause problems.
And everyone, everyone laughs at that.
And by the way, this is a real case for Ralph LaRiga.
He's a Buffalo-based attorney that's done most of these ivermectin cases.
Now, you laugh, but it's not funny because they're serious.
What they mean when they say it's going to cause problems, remember what I told you.
They cannot afford to have a control group.
If you had people broadly being turned around on ventilators, it would expose the entire fraud of what they've been doing.
So it's kind of like where we are now is when the Navy SEALs surround the compound with the terrorists in it.
They don't give up.
They get more vicious and they slit the throats of the hostages then because they have to cover up all the evidence.
What we are in now is, it might have been to answer your question about control, about power, money, and that's all true.
But at this point, they have to make sure there's no control group.
Same thing with the vaccine.
But why?
Is it for ego or for prestige?
No, for because they'll get caught.
Because that's even more diabolical than making money.
That's that's it's like a well, it's a multi-million dollar, multi-million person criminal enterprise.
This is a criminal enterprise.
I cannot come up with another conclusion.
No, I agree.
It's just nice to hear someone as high as yours to say it out loud.
Think about this with the vaccine.
You know, in most areas, white-collar workers, you're talking about adults, it's 90-95% have gotten it.
I mean, they have been more successful than they could ever imagine.
Take yes for an answer.
They have to squeeze out the last 5%.
They can't have a control group that doesn't get the antibody-dependent disease enhancement that these people are going to likely get.
They can't afford that.
And this is why, like, you have federal workers that never step into the office, that they only work remotely, and they make them get it.
They already had the virus.
They make them get it.
It doesn't matter.
Everyone has to get this.
See, if they said, look, you know, we think this is generally good.
There's, you know, more side effects than we usually tolerate, but it's a pandemic.
We feel it's worth it.
These people we think should get it.
You know, if you already had it, then I wouldn't look any further.
But now that they're like, man, everyone needs to get it.
It's 100% effective.
Zero problems.
You know, then we know there's something about it.
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Who is it?
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They never wound up using it.
But fun fact, Pfizer 16 years ago established your property, our choice.
16 years later, they've now established your body, our chores.
So what we're describing is one of the more frustrating chapters in American history, and people are wondering why is it we can't even speak about this?
And obviously, if you dare talk about it, you're suppressed.
I want to ask you a side note question.
You host the conservative review podcast.
Have you been disappointed at how few conservatives have been willing to talk about this and instead pander to the pharmaceutical industries and basically be employees and shills of AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson, and Pfizer?
Man, Charlie, I got to be careful here.
Why?
So, you know, like you, like you, I got into this at a young age.
I got a few years on you.
So I've been doing this a while, but I'm not certainly not that old.
And I promised myself I'm not going to do this the rest of my life.
Meaning, I was like anyone else.
I was like, yay, team red.
How many seats?
How many seats?
Next election.
Okay, 54 seats in the Senate.
Okay.
Okay, when the next election.
And then after a couple of cycles, like I kind of learned, oh, this is a fraud.
I mean, I woke up.
Okay, the Republican Party is a joke.
Yes.
They're bought out.
There's maybe a handful of good guys that use it for ballot access because they have nowhere else to go.
But aside from that, it's tweetle de tweedle dumb.
And what we are doing is not working.
And I said to myself, I don't earn a lot of money in this.
If I wanted to do it, I would go into something else.
And if I'm going to do this, it's got to make a difference.
And it frustrated me that on any measure, since I got into this, the pre, you know, the 2000s, the first decade, professionally, on any measure, fiscal, I remember writing press releases for people in the Tea Party wave.
It was unconscionable.
We reached 12 trillion in debt.
And it shocked the mind.
The levels of Obama spending that first time, it shocked the mind.
And now we would die to go back then.
The level of people on Medicaid and food stamps socially, like we didn't even know what the word transgender was.
And we thought we were losing our values.
You know, illegal immigration, culture, anything.
Name me one thing.
We are better off than we were.
And now I'm talking about February 2020.
Now it's the fourth Reich.
I mean, that's not even, that's obvious.
This is an emergency, but I've done that even before COVID.
But what I found throughout my career is this, and I'm going to get to COVID, but what I found throughout my career is 99% of conservative organizations and individuals, they will never fight the issue that matters at the time it matters and in the way it matters.
So, you know, it's not that they'll necessarily be out of sync ideologically broadly, but they'll wave the flag.
I'm pro-gun, I'm pro-life.
And it's like, okay, well, what does that do for me at that given moment?
By the way, when we have opportunities for those issues, they're usually chasing another squirrel, right?
So it's always another issue.
It's always something else.
And it's like, look, I never thought I'd talk about ivermectin and pulmonary inflammation, cytokines storms, and, you know, how to deal with this.
But that's what you're confronted with.
I mean, my entire podcast the last half a year has turned into a medical show getting people treatment.
I lost the 30-year-old and I promised myself I'll leave no man behind.
Well, and I, you know, I laugh.
I mean, thanks to people I know, we've connected to people to life-saving treatment, and we have, and I'm proud of that.
But this is a fourth world country.
Udhar Pradesh is a third world country where they don't have the resources.
God gave us the resources.
We flushed it.
And we made something that was pennies on the dollar now expensive and people can't get it.
In the United States of America, you cannot get azithromycin.
You can't get prednisone.
You can't get a nebulizer with butcinide.
But even the doctors that do it, they're getting their licenses yanks now.
I mean, the pharmacies won't prescribe.
And the problem with all these conservative people is like most of them really have been MIA from the lockdowns to the mask to the shots head on.
That's if they're not downright on the wrong side of the issue, which some of them are.
But I'm saying the ones that aren't downright on the wrong side of the issue, they're never focused on it.
And, you know, look, this all started where?
It started in the States.
You know, we're like, oh, Biden, Biden.
But the reality is this started in the States.
And I will tell you, there is not a single state where you have medical freedom.
Not a single state where the hospitals are not committing genocide.
Not a single state where doctors freely prescribe and pharmacists freely fill.
Not a single state where they're putting the money into what works.
Florida's the best grading on a curve, but still, I mean, you know, at least you have the monoclonals are pretty well dispatched there.
But the money is not being spent in any state where it should be.
The policies, there's not a single state where we're protected from the private sector.
And we could talk about that mandates.
And, you know, I've been harping on this.
Republicans have the trifecta in 23 states.
They have super majorities in 23 in 19 states.
There's a number of them I've been dealing with this week.
Arkansas, Idaho, they have like four to one majorities.
So we're promised, we need to win the midterm elections.
Okay, so you have a narrow rhino majority in Congress.
I'll do you one better.
I'll give you four to one.
Hey, actually, no, Charlie, I'll give you a 28 to 2 majority in the Wyoming Senate.
And we have a 16-year-old girl in the freaking state of Wyoming being arrested for not covering her breathing orifices.
So we can't even have a degree of post-constitutional tyranny to the level of February 2020 in the freaking state of Wyoming with a 28 to 2 majority.
And you know why?
I know we can't influence Biden, but I'll tell you, if we had all of our voices going after Governor Mark Gordon in Wyoming and Brad Little in Idaho and Asa Hutchinson in Arkansas, boy, he can make a sir.
He is the worst.
He is a joke.
He is a whore for big business.
Walmart, Tyson's, J.B. Hunt own that.
And basically what we have now, by the way, Charlie, we have worse than socialism is not it.
It's this government-induced corporate totalitarianism.
So it's the worst of all ends.
You have the utter greed of the private sector, but you don't have the check and balance of the free market because government, through a scheme of taxation, regulation, litigation, subsidization, gave them a monopoly.
And then now they downright mandate the shot.
So then you have no safety guardrails.
See, normally I'm for it.
You can make whatever crap you want.
I'm fine to go back to that.
Except the problem is government brings them into the FDA.
You know, it's one revolving door.
They're closer with Pfizer than DOD is with Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman and all that.
Oh, yeah.
It's a cesspool.
And now they have the ability to mandate it on us.
So, you have this conduit where you and I can elect the board of Pfizer, but they're more powerful than anything else, and they control us.
So, in some ways, it's worse than the traditional socialism where you maybe could have some degree of democratic process a little bit.
Here, they Pfizer, if Pfizer calls a shot, they get it.
There's nothing they could do, there is nothing that could happen now that could get the shots off the market.
There is nothing, there is no degree of mayhem from it.
There are no safety nets, there's no safety guardrails, they've been ripped off.
It doesn't matter.
It's shut up.
I don't want to hear it.
And I look, you know, my whole career was made off of illegal immigration, by the way, and it's worse than it's ever been.
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Tell us why.
Yes.
Because I've seen it firsthand.
It was the treatment that I couldn't imagine.
I, you know, where they literally will block all treatments.
They'll have people go around the hospitals, confiscate the ivermectin, confiscate any other supplements they have.
They will lock people out of it, you know, families out of the ICUs.
They are doing everything they can to systematically find what works and then ban it.
So they're going after the Budesini, the, well, they're going after that too, but the Betadyne nasal irrigation.
Just for your audience, the most important thing, you're around people.
You want to come back.
Masks actually grow your viral load.
You go and shoot up a betadyne solution 1%.
You buy it 10%, dilute it with distilled water, make it 1%.
Like it's the research behind it is insane.
19-fold decrease in hospitalizations because the viral load is the key and you got to reduce that early.
They made fun out of it.
Time magazine had a hit on it.
They had a hit piece on hydrogen peroxide in the nebulizer.
And now they had a hit piece on phenofiberate.
And now they have a hit on aspirin because they found out that, you know, the Washington University study that it reduces mortality by 47% because the blood clotting does a lot of people in.
They might survive the pulmonary, but the blood clotting will do them in.
And two days later, they're like 70 years of research with aspirin and heart attacks because they have to make sure not only do you not take it for COVID, but they're like, damn, there's people who are taking it anyway for other stuff.
We got to get them off of it.
They are finding every way to possibly kill people.
Think about it, Charlie.
They said this is, this started 15 days to flatten the curve of what?
Of hospitalizations.
Why in the world would you have an embargo on outpatient treatment?
Think about that.
They're making sure you have no other option but to go to the hospital.
Why would you do that?
Why?
It makes no sense.
You have pneumonia, COVID pneumonia, pneumonia.
They'll give you a butyrol or be decenite in a nebulizer.
They'll give you the antibiotic because a lot of times you wind up getting bacterial pneumonia.
They'll give you prednisone and other methylpred steroids.
Why?
Why wouldn't you do that?
If you wanted people to die, they cannot afford a control group because the bottom line is, let me tell you this.
You know, I'm very provocative.
I'm very hardcore.
I'll hit people on the right even.
I don't know if you're true.
You tell the truth.
I'll tell you when you get provocative.
But my point is, my point is, you know, generally speaking, I'm not such a big fish, so I don't get that much blowback.
Masks.
If I said what you said, I'd have a fun week.
You'd have a very fun week.
So I get away with it usually.
Masks were the biggest idolatry ever.
Like there was not, and I kicked that thing in the nuts more than anyone.
I had more articles on that more comprehensively earlier than anyone else.
And okay, it was a little bit whatever.
But then when I hit the early treatment, which you'd think would kind of be more universal, like we're not attacking the shots or the mask or the lockdown, just saying, hey, like COVID is a big deal.
We agree.
Like, let's shake hands.
We're all in this together.
Let's get it treated.
Like the visceral response, and that's when it hit me.
That's the lynch.
Because here's the deal.
If from day one, we would have listened to Zolenko and Peter McCullough and these guys and Ryan Cole and we would have treated this just early, 99% of the deaths would have been avoided, and people would have gotten it.
They would have gotten over it easily.
They wouldn't have feared it.
And the entire empire, this hellish empire reset that they have built off of it.
Let me just give you one random thing a lot of people probably haven't thought of.
All the things they tried to push and they couldn't successfully do, like global warming.
You know, everyone's like, I, you know, 70% of people believe in it, but not really.
Like, they don't care.
You know, this, this is their issue.
This people feared.
You, you get someone to fear for their lives.
They will put their fellow men in an oven.
They will, they will get that vicious.
And we're seeing this viciousness.
They believe we deserve to die.
That viciousness, you get them onto that.
So they had to get people to fear it.
They wouldn't have feared it.
But for example, I talk about crime a lot.
They tried to reduce, you know, let out criminals, and it was kind of slow.
They have let out hundreds of thousands of people without firing a shot from this.
They've, they've, everything is COVID.
All they have to do is say COVID and they get whatever they want.
Why would they want that to end?
They don't want the pandemic to end because if you did, you would have treated it.
And now you have all these, you know, viral enhancement and the virus is getting stronger and stronger the more we play around with it and it's coming harder and harder to deal with it.
We could have, I mean, you know, the iteration we had pre-July.
I call it the Pfizer variant because that's when the leaky vaccine syndrome broke out.
This thing was a joke.
And when I say a joke, I don't mean there weren't people who died, but I mean to treat it.
It's like you give someone one thing within like, and you could stew for 10, 12 days sometimes.
It was over.
Now you got to hit it early.
You've got to hit it multi-drug.
You know, this thing's a real beast.
So let me, so let's just, let's just reiterate in this, and I know we touched on this, and this is the other article I want to talk, talk about in the time we have remaining.
Has the vaccine made things worse?
So, Charlie, I don't understand how we could escape that conclusion.
None of us, including myself, I never believed this.
I thought like I knew it had problems.
I knew there were a lot of problems with it.
It never entered my mind that it would totally bomb out and wouldn't be effective.
I didn't trust them.
And in my mind, okay, so the few cases will have, you know, a few cases.
We thought in the South, you'll get a little bit of the Hope-Simpson curve.
They get the Southern latitudes, a little bit of a bump, but it will be the remaining people who didn't get it and didn't get the shot, and mainly older people.
And then, and I just want to preface that with something.
So the data is, I'm not even going to go over it because everyone agrees.
Like, let me just say in Florida, there was a 94% increase in mortality in August of this year versus August of last year, with many more people already having had it, plus zero people were vaccinated then.
Israel is almost a punchline.
You just see this everywhere.
It's qualitatively, quantitatively, much, much worse than it's ever been.
Now, they'll tell you it's the Delta.
No, that's because it was the Delta, as if that was bound to happen no matter what.
And boy, is it great we had the vaccine because without that, man, we would have had it even worse.
So now I want to preface this by saying it's interesting that right before this hell broke out around July is when around May is when they branded it Alpha Beta Gamma Delta.
So until then, it was a geographical distinction.
It was the Kent English variant, the South African, the Brazilian, and then the Indian one was what they made Delta.
It's kind of interesting because that's like that's confined.
So this, you make it as a global like progression as if it naturally was going to go from alpha beta gamma delta.
It's like they need it.
The new hope, empire strikes back, return of the Jedi, Force Awakens.
It's like eventually we're going to get to the sequences of the sequel.
Go ahead.
But we caught them.
We caught them red-handed.
In India, Delta was very transmissible, but their death rate is one-eighth that of the U.S.
Then it went to England.
England had a way and Western European countries to a lesser extent, but they had it.
But the reason why I say England, England had the wave when?
In May, May into June.
Okay, it's a very important point because Israeli data now, U.S. data shows this too, and studies, it leaks around the five to six month mark.
That's when it wears off.
And no one disagrees.
Hence, they're saying you need the boosters, but no one disagrees with that.
England got it before the leakiness.
Okay.
So we were able to see what Delta is, what it would have been like before the leakiness, that leaky vaccine syndrome.
And guess what?
It was so weak that the media, you could Google it, Delta England cold.
And they were complaining like people are running around not getting tested because they think they have a cold.
That's how you can miss it.
So it was a little bit more transmissible.
Public Health England has the best granular data every Thursday.
It's published in the entire world.
It was a little bit more transmissible, mainly in the households.
So everyone would get it in the household, but much less virulent.
That's called Mueller's ratchet.
It's a microbio biological theory that the virus wants to survive so it gets more transmissible so it can hop around.
But then if it kills its host, it can't hop around as much.
So it's either like Ebola, HIV, very deadly, not so transmissible only through bodily fluids, or it's like a cold.
Okay, and fine.
Then it came to the America South and we were like, yeah, this is a joke.
This is going to be the decoupling of deaths from cases.
And it was pure hell.
Like everyone I knew, this thing was freaking Ebola that spread like a cold.
It roped in younger people.
I was getting emails like last year.
What do I do?
My father's on a ventilator.
You know, they're giving me horrible treatment.
Now it's my kids on a ventilator.
My son's on a vent.
It was horrible, horrible what went on there.
That was right around the marker of the leakiness.
Why do I say that?
A man named Gert Von den Bosch was probably the greatest vaccinologist of our generation.
He worked for Bill Gates, for Gavi.
His whole life was spreading vaccine.
It went over my head at the time, but we saw it.
We saw he was right.
He said, wait a minute, we're arguing about blood clots, side effects, and that's what to do.
But he says there's a macro epidemiological microbio evolutionary side effect that no one's talking about.
If you mass vaccinate in the middle of an ongoing pandemic, particularly with a narrow spectrum, suboptimal antibodies that are half-assed, it's like having your weakest member of the gang go up to the opposing gang with your weapons.
You know what's going to happen?
He's going to take your lunch money and it's going to gobble up those antibodies and you have antibody disease enhancement.
The lacky, the leaky.
I want your audience.
We don't have time to go into this.
I want your audience to Google PBS 2015 Merrick's disease leaky chicken vaccine.
And you read that article and I was losing people.
I was losing people.
I read that and I got goosebumps.
I was like, oh my gosh, that's what just happened to humans.
Basically, they had a leaky chicken vaccine for Merrick's disease in chicken vaccine.
Chickenpox vaccine or just chicken vaccine?
No, chicken vaccine in chickens.
We vaccinated.
I didn't know we vaccinated chickens.
That's new to me.
Yeah, there was something called Merrick's disease.
It was a very virulent disease.
And what happened was it was a leaky vaccine, meaning it protected the chickens that got it from severe illness, but it did not, it was called an imperfect vaccine.
It was not self-sterilizing.
So it did not stop transmission.
So what happened was all the unvaccinated chickens died like within days.
They got around it.
They hosed them.
So all these SOBs that said, oh, it's the unvaccinated harming the vaccinated, that could never happen because either it works or it doesn't.
You can't affect a vaccinated person.
It was the vaccinated running up the viral load.
They explained this.
And by the way, they say in the article, if this were ever to happen with humans, the first sign will be if the vaccine only stops illness and not transmission.
And they're like championing that as if that's a good thing.
Now, by the way, now, three months later, it's leaked so much, it stopped even the efficacy against serious illness.
Hence, most of the people in the hospital getting seriously ill are vaccinated as well.
But at the time, I want to make this very clear: July, August was the worst pandemic we ever had.
Worse than New York City, Florida, Arkansas, parts of Texas.
That was that, like, you know, you know, when you're choking and it's like the worst part where you can't get it down, but you can't spit it up.
That's kind of what it was.
It was that month where it was working on the vaccinated for serious illness.
It is true.
When it started, when the wave started, most of the people dying were unvaccinated, but that was caused by the vaccine.
By now, it's fully leaked.
And, you know, then it went down to serious illness and death.
And hence, I just did a report on my show from Rhode Island from Andy Bostom of Brown University.
In September, 83% of the deaths were from vaccinated people.
You're being lied to when they say most of the people, it's not.
It was true initially, but that's the bad thing.
It was a harbinger of a leaky vaccine.
So when you say, oh, let's just keep boostering, that's not cost-free.
You're going to, you know, you know what it's like?
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You know what it reminds me?
In the prisons now, so they love the criminals.
So they want to make sure they're as jacked up and as strong as possible when they release them to beat people up.
So they have all these weight rooms.
I'm not kidding you.
They're like, they work out and everything.
You're giving the virus a workout.
It's like shooting at the king and missing.
The worst thing you can do is shoot at the virus with a crappy vaccine and miss because then it gets stronger.
Do you know what happened, Charlie?
They created the virus that they said existed, that didn't exist, now exists.
In other words, it transmits asymptomatically, which it wasn't before.
It's roping in even younger people to a certain extent.
Kids aren't getting pulmonary, but they are getting bad flus, whereas before it was a joke.
Not all of them, but some of them are.
This thing is bad.
You got to get it treated.
You got to get prophylaxis.
And, you know, we've come full circle.
Everything they accused us of doing, they actually went ahead and did.
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Pursuing a National Divorce00:13:49
And yet, conservatives and Republicans are still pushing the vaccine despite all the evidence around them.
They say it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
And I want to close on this note, Daniel.
I want to be respectful of your time.
How do you personally process how we have people living in absolutely different universes as if there's a different existence occurring?
It's maddening for me, quite honestly.
I just decide just to keep telling the truth and keep moving forward.
But when I see Republicans that are coming up, they say, oh, no, the vaccine is the greatest thing ever.
It's actually, you know, it's preventing all the harm and suffering.
Meanwhile, we look at the United Kingdom, 223 COVID deaths today, highest daily number of deaths since March.
79% of the population, 12 and older, is fully vaccinated.
How do we process this alternate reality within our own within our own world?
And by the way, Charlie, it's interesting.
England, as I said, same Delta as it was the first Delta wave in May, now is very problematic.
That's after the five, six-month Pfizer leakage benchmark, just so you know.
So that's actually a very good example of what I'm talking about.
Now they are getting a problem.
They are, by the way, luckier than the American South because they got the benefits of the transmissibility of Delta earlier on the cheap.
So they do have more built-up immunity.
They're not going to have as many deaths as we did, but they are having problems.
How do I square this?
Look, you read the Johns Hopkins papers over the last decade, and now I'm getting into this.
Peter Bregan has an amazing book on this that traces the timeline.
And they've been working on this forever.
And at the end of the book, he literally has a timeline.
And I'm shocked.
Like, it is shocking the stuff they it's creepy, the stuff they talk about.
They talk about PR campaigns.
It's a psyop.
So you either get it or you're a victim of it.
It's not surprising.
You know, you go everywhere and this is what you see.
And the problem is, as Gert von denbach says, they allow people to look at a snapshot of that second, of that second.
So you don't see a before and after in a continuity.
So hence, all these Republicans notice that they're always good at 2020 in hindsight.
So when it was the mask, they were finally like, yeah, lockdowns are bad.
But lockdowns were kind of over then.
And the fight was the mask and they were pro-mask.
Then when the fight was the vaccine, they were like, they finally got on board the mask.
I mean, to a certain extent, these guys, by the way, and I'm not going to mention names, but you know what I'm talking about.
It's like clockwork.
And then, and then now they're finally like against the vaccine mandates, but they're not onto the early treatment.
They're not onto it.
They're always a day late and a dollar short.
They're always fighting yesterday's battle when it no longer matters.
Yes.
I mean, this is the problem with these guys.
They're always when patriots like us jump in the sea and when it's hard, and then we make it to the point where it's kosher to talk about and it's not like you know, like extreme, then they're able to kind of dip their toe in that water.
Um, but that's the thing.
People don't, I mean, it works, they control, they censor.
Think about it.
Do you understand the amount of studies that have been censored about things that work, things that don't work?
Um, do you like, for example, there's been people, there's a simple study you can do that would blow this wide open.
It's called a D-dimer test.
And basically, a CT scan could only pick up a large blood clot.
You know, you can't miss it.
You're going to feel that the symptoms right away.
But there's something called micro clotting.
And that's not going to be picked up on CT scan.
And you're not going to notice it for a number of months and perhaps a number of years, but it ain't good.
And if you would run D-dimer tests and if you have high D-dimer levels, that means that there's microclotting going on in your blood.
Why aren't we doing those studies?
Well, I'll tell you, because you won't get money for it.
And let's say you're an entrepreneur and scientist.
You're just curious.
Well, what are you going to do if the results are not what you want them to be?
You're screwed because you're not going to get published.
And if you try to put it on maybe a lower-level or one of the pre-printing servers, pre-print servers, you're done.
Like, I destroyed a Harvard guy recently by citing, he did a study looking at 65 different countries and 3,000 counties and found no R-squared correlation and actually negative correlation between vaccination rates and case rates.
And I just, I didn't even, I'm a commentary guy, but I just pretty much just block quoted it.
And he got the media went to, he's like, no, no, that's not what I meant.
We meant the you also have to wash your hands with the vaccine.
But that wasn't his what's happening.
So there's, I call it unnatural selection.
There's unnatural selection.
So everyone's going to hear of the conservative talk show host that didn't get vaccinated and died.
Now, mine, mine, right?
But they'll never hear about all of the vaccinated people that were hospitalized from the vaccine and then got COVID and were hospitalized from COVID.
And the common denominator between both of them is that they didn't get proper early treatment.
You know, so it wears down people.
And I think, Charlie, our, and I think you'll agree with me, our challenge is this.
This is the most destructive public policy issue of all time, the most radical issue of all time.
But it's the issue that actually drove a spike between our in our coalition more than anything.
Yes.
You take any other issue and you can know where people stand.
If you're this, that, I know people in my life, like my whole, they'll be, Daniel, what's up with politics?
And they're so into it and this and that.
And on this, they won't allow you in their home if you're not vaccinated.
That's right.
Okay.
And you know this.
There's a lot of people like that.
Like, you know, it's kind of like a Super Bowl.
You have the two-week lead up, the cheerleaders, and the trash talk.
And then we get to the Super Bowl.
I'm for limited government and liberty.
Dude, what we've been fighting our whole careers doesn't matter.
I mean, it wasn't great.
We had cronyism.
We're pretty much free people.
This is, I mean, Charlie, we don't have a right to life.
I mean, you have no way of getting treatment, of living.
Like, they're killing our people, even before you get to the vaccine, just from the virus.
I have no problem.
Our people are trying to downplay.
I'm like, no, this is a serious virus.
It's a bioweapon.
God didn't create it.
It's not God's blemish.
It's his son's, as it says at the end of Deuteronomy.
He didn't create this.
Part of why initially I didn't think it could be this bad is because we were right.
You don't have a broadly circulating respiratory virus that's so problematic, and you don't have it.
They created it.
It was an act of man.
Last question, Daniel.
What can people do about this?
Because people are losing patience.
Okay.
Here's what I'm doing.
The country's gone.
Okay.
I mean, it is.
It's gone.
The question is: could we take areas that are 70, 30, 80, 20 Trump and instill the will of the silent majority on the political players?
Because right now, we don't have a single rights state in this country, but there's potential.
There's potential.
A lot of the state legislatures are about to meet for redistricting for special session, and even the general session is only a few months away.
This is our time.
This is our moment.
If you had everyone flooding the state legislators with saying you better do this and not do this, the bills on the mandates, the bills on protecting early treatment, going after the healthcare cartel, all the medical freedom stuff.
Okay.
If we had people yelping at them, again, if you're in Arkansas, all you hear from is Tyson's, J.B. Hunt, and Walmart.
You don't, you could tell me it's a super majority conservative state all you want, but that doesn't matter.
You got to equal the playing field.
I have an organization I started, Constitution Action Network.
It's conaction.network.
It's not an organization.
There's no overhead.
All it is is the audience of my show.
I had them mail in their address and we divided them by state teams.
And we just need, we need people to volunteer to be leaders.
We have enough people.
We need coordinators to help coordinate them.
And you have 40, 50 people, and you have one person right, a couple people who are familiar with the legislative calendar.
You know, for example, Senate Bill 193 in Iowa is the national gold standard.
It is the most comprehensive anti-fascism bill.
It covers insurers, public accommodations.
It bans discrimination everywhere.
That bill needs to be passed in Iowa.
It needs to be passed everywhere.
This is where it's at.
We're not going to do anything at a national level.
We need a national divorce.
But before you get a national divorce, you need to make state legislatures great again.
You need to make red states red again.
And we would have had a national divorce, by the way, a long time ago.
The reason we haven't is because all the crap is on the same side.
They're all the same.
These red state governors, most of them, but if you promoted that contrast, if you made red states as unhospitable for the left to live in as blue states are for our people, aka you don't invite in businesses, give them corporate welfare, and then allow them to hang you with that rope and then promote their culture and then promote totalitarianism in your state.
You actually make it a true red state.
And actually, if anything, maybe you say, hey, look, sink or swim, buddy.
It's either the California taxes or you play by our rules.
That is our only hope.
If we can't win in Idaho, if we have Ryan Cole in Idaho being investigated for prescribing ivermectin and the legislature doesn't do anything, if we have a 16-year-old girl being arrested for not wearing a Chinese diaper in the state of Wyoming, we're done.
I don't know what to tell you.
If we can't win in those states, I don't want to hear about, oh, what we can do with the national trifecta four years from now when we're dead already in a gulag with a narrow rhino majority.
You tell me how a president is going to change HHS, drain the swamp.
There's nothing to drain.
It'll drain you.
If you can't win in a 28 to 2 majority in Wyoming, then don't tell.
They already have trifecta.
Remember, state medical boards, state pharmacy boards, they're all state.
Oh, Biden's president.
There's nothing we can do.
We need to win back Congress.
No, that has nothing to do with anything.
You need an interposition bill in every state saying by a concurrent resolution, and we're going to be pushing this, concurrent resolution, anything the feds do that we believe is unconstitutional, we will criminalize its enforcement.
We will criminalize its enforcement within the state.
Let me leave you with this final thought.
The Democrats in the blue states have already done this.
If we ever had Ron DeSantis as president or whomever, you will not control them.
That die is cast.
They will do what they want.
You're never going to control them.
We already have a national divorce.
If blue states are able to criminalize federal immigration enforcement on behalf of illegal alien sex offenders, then you better believe that we need every governor, attorney general, and state legislator and county official in a red state to criminalize totalitarian totalitarian fascist mandates on the bodies of U.S. citizens.
If we can't do that, shame on us.
And we need to just go home because then there is no conservative movement in this country.
This is our time.
This is our issue.
This is our moment.
It's not about the next fight, the next thing.
It's not about the legacy flag-waving issues.
I'm broadly conservative on these issues.
Are you going to save medical freedom, bodily autonomy, basic liberty, or not?
Or is liberty just about marijuana, illegal aliens, and criminals?
Like some of our friends in some of these organizations that they're awfully silent when it comes to, they call themselves libertarian, but it's quite interesting how this issue is somewhat of an exception to that those principles.
And I just think we cannot recover from this.
We cannot move beyond this.
Like, I don't, as much as I care about illegal immigration, like I'd rather live.
I will live with them running around than right now.
They're killing us.
You will not have control of your body when this is done.
I think we're already there.
And we're already there.
We are a step away from Australia, a step away from it.
Daniel, thank you for coming.
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