Joined by Heather Mullins, election fraud expert from Real America's Voice, Charlie walks through the Audits across America—paying special attention to Fulton and Maricopa County. Heather gives her insight into the Georgia Election first, including what we know about Dominion, ballot harvesting, Zuckerberg, Brad Raffensberger, and more before she offers a preview of what we can expect to be announced in Arizona this Friday. Finally, Charlie and Heather offer a road forward for real election reform with demands from the grassroots on what it actually takes to secure our elections and restore confidence among the American electorate, namely the base of the Republican Party. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Lawsuit Demands Higher Resolution Scans00:04:29
On the line, we have an audit expert who's been doing phenomenal work for Real America's Voice, Heather Mullins.
Hi, how's it going?
How's it going, Heather?
Thank you for joining us today, and thank you for all the great work that you are doing.
Let's start with Georgia and the audits.
You've been doing a lot of work for Real America's Voice as an investigative reporter.
Tell us, what is the status of finding out what actually happened in the 2020 election in the state of Georgia?
Well, Charlie, there's actually quite a few investigations going on in Georgia.
The one most recently that I covered this week was a lawsuit filed by a group called Voter GA.
They're an election integrity group that's been working in the state for over 20 years.
They filed a lawsuit to pretty much unseal and forensically analyze the absentee and mail-in ballots in Fulton County, Georgia.
Specifically, it's the exact same ballots that we saw in that state farm arena video that went viral of people scanning in ballots that they pulled out from underneath that table at 1 o'clock in the morning after observers were sent home.
Well, those ballots are the ones in question in this lawsuit.
And a judge so far has actually already unsealed them.
And what the plaintiffs were given were the digital ballot images.
So every time a ballot is scanned in the voting machine, it creates a digital image that is stored.
So they've had access to those.
And unfortunately, the resolution on those images is such a poor quality that the forensic experts asked for a higher resolution.
And so where this case was a couple months ago was the judge had actually ordered that the town officials had to rescan those ballots at a higher resolution and hand them the images because Georgia's Secretary of State filed a brief in this lawsuit claiming that if anybody touched those ballots, it would be a felony, Charlie, almost to try to like stop the audit from going forward.
And so this judge is like, all right, well, we're going to take the people that can legally handle those ballots and we're going to make them rescan them at a higher resolution.
So this case went back to court on Monday and the attorney representing Fulton County is one of Georgia's top criminal defense attorneys, a guy named Don Samuel, who taught a white-collar criminal defense course at Georgia University.
Let's let's link in, right?
So he started saying that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the Secretary of State's office had already done an investigation, but there was no fraud, like nothing was found, and was basically trying to say, you know, grant my motion to dismiss this case.
Well, the judge said, well, can you cite the report?
Does anybody in this courtroom have any reports from the Georgia Secretary of State's office, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, on anything they've done that pertains to these potentially counterfeit ballots?
Nobody had any answer.
So the judge paused this lawsuit and is giving the Secretary of State and the GBI 20 days to basically bring them up to speed if they've done anything.
And if not, then when we go back to court on November 15th, the judge could then move forward to continue to unseal these ballots.
And so that's really the key is the unsealing of these ballots.
And what do you think that might lead us towards?
What are we trying to get to the place to try to impact?
You know, at this point in the game, Charlie, like, I'm not convinced we're going to get to those ballots.
There's a lot of people, a lot of affidavits, people believing ballots have been shredded or removed.
So the idea now is if we go and we unseal these ballots and they re-scan them and they don't match the original batch, then it's going to be a problem.
And this is what's so mind-blowing is that all that we're asking to do in this next step in this lawsuit is literally re-scan ballots that we already have images of.
So why is Fulton County election officials fighting so hard to keep us from simply having higher resolution pictures of the exact same ballots we already have access to?
So it makes no sense.
And, you know, when you hire criminal defense attorneys in a civil case, it raises a big red flag.
So I'm honestly not confident that all the ballots are still there, but I could be wrong and final television.
Heather, can you tell us, is Brad Roffensperger playing ball with this or is he trying to interfere with this entire process?
That's a great question.
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So he changed his story, and I wouldn't trust him a word out of man's mouth.
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Audit Findings and Data Implications00:15:09
I do want to get one more question with just Georgia in general, Heather.
You've been studying this.
What are all the simultaneous investigations going on here?
Lawsuits.
What can we expect on the horizon coming out of Georgia?
Well, I would say, Charlie, one of the biggest things is probably a story that I broke about a week and a half ago, but I've known about for months.
There's actually a group called True the Vote that over the last eight months, since the election, they have been purchasing mobile data, right?
Location-based mobile data and specifically around Dropboxes, government organizations, UPS storage, and a few other things.
And what they've been able to do is pretty much piece together the movements of individuals that had been going from Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox, right?
It's ballot trafficking is what they've called it.
And they actually, like an example, if this doesn't make sense, because some people are like, you know, with the location stuff, how does it work?
If you're using Google Maps and you're walking, every couple of steps you take, Google, your phone pings your location, right?
That data you can then purchase.
So if you owned a gym and someone came near your business, right, you can market to them.
Well, they've collected this data around Dropboxes and obtained the corresponding Dropbox footage, Charlie.
So now they have faces of people and 242 people that visited on average 23 drop boxes in the primary or the early voting period rather.
And so in Georgia, the law is that you're only allowed to drop your ballot in the Dropbox or your immediate family member.
So it is completely illegal to harvest ballots or go from house to house collecting them and putting them in for anyone else.
It's completely illegal.
And so they actually have video of a woman pulling ballots out of a backpack and stuffing them into a Dropbox.
Now the footage has not been released yet.
They've been working on this for months under the radar because they wanted to actually do an investigation.
They weren't trying to draw attention to it.
And they were also trying to collect all of this data, video footage, et cetera, and not sort of draw attention to it to where FOIA requests and open records requests would get delayed if they knew what they were investigating.
So where that currently stands is that they're trying to work with state and federal authorities to actually get them to start doing this investigation.
And they've threatened to start releasing the footage and all the evidence if they don't do their job, essentially.
But they are 100% convinced.
I've seen some of this footage.
I've not seen and verified all of it, but I have no doubt in my mind that these are professionals and they've had three teams of experts and analysts combing through 10 million minutes worth of ballot footage and stuff.
And they're developing AI that helps them comb through it a lot quicker.
But this is a very serious and a very real investigation.
And that is something that is going to be indisputable once it comes out.
Yeah, and I know the people at True the Vote.
They're doing phenomenal jobs.
So they are in partnership with the lead contractor OBSEC Group.
And they've spent months since the election acquiring over 27 terabytes of data as part of a massive investigation into the 2020 election.
And the data consists of more than 10 trillion location-based cell phone pings, which allows the team to track the movements of suspected ballot traffickers in six different states.
And the group has discovered 242 suspected ballot traffickers in Georgia that won on average 23 drop boxes a day during the early voting period and another 202 suspected ballot traffickers in Arizona.
And I'm reading from your article here, Heather, at America's Voice.news, just kind of summarizing what you just mentioned.
Okay, so let's go on to Arizona.
What is the update of the Arizona audit and when can we expect it to be released?
So there's going to be a hearing tomorrow at 1 p.m. on the Senate floor.
That's 1 p.m. Arizona time, where hopefully we're going to hear a lot more of what they've uncovered.
Now, the big thing, Charlie, was these routers, right, that Maricopa County election officials were not allowing the audit team to have access to, along with some other information and passwords for the voting machines.
And to explain a little backstory of why they need those routers, right?
The voting machines specifically have a server on them.
And the way these servers are designed is that it's first in, first out information.
It can only store so much information.
So once it reaches a certain point, any new entries will delete the oldest entries, if that makes sense.
And so on March 11th, someone with admin access to these machines before they were given to the audit team went in and made a blank password entry 37,000 times, right?
There's only eight administrator accounts.
So let that sink in, 37,000 entries.
And what that did is it deleted all of the information that was stored on the server from the time period of the election that the audit team would have need to see, if that makes sense.
And so the next step in their investigation was to use the routers to find out who made those entries and from where to get information.
Well, Maricopa County election officials initially were like, we'll give you the routers, but then all of a sudden decided they weren't going to do it.
And so what came about within the last day or two is apparently they reached some sort of agreement where now you have one of the congressmen there is going to serve as a special master and I guess give the audit team the information they're looking for.
So I'm curious to know how this is going to pan out tomorrow, but hopefully we'll get some answers and find out who made those 37,000 entries.
37,000 entries.
And so you said there's only eight potential people that could be suspected for that.
So that's a rather small pool of people, right?
Yes, there's, well, so here's one of the other things that the audit team found is that all of the administrators all had the same password.
So because of that, now it's sort of you can't pinpoint who signed in as what administrator because, and that's something they call like cybersecurity health, right?
One of the things they took a look at when they were doing this audit is how secure are passwords, how secure is, you know, the virus software, all that, you know, techie stuff.
And there's only eight accounts though.
So even if you forgot your password or you had to, you know, do something 37,000 times, whoever did it did it with the intention of deleting that information that they would have needed to look at.
You know what I mean?
Because by making those 37,000.
Yeah, and so I guess my question is: yeah, do we know what those entries are or we don't?
These blank password entries.
So it's almost like someone hit a button 37,000 times so that it would flush out the oldest information in the system.
So what could possibly, what would be the best possible explanation for the other side for that 37,000 entries that eight people would, what would their explanation be for that?
That's a great question.
It's a great question.
I mean, I don't have an answer.
And the audit team didn't have an answer.
And, you know, the next step in their investigation was the routers.
And Maricopa County has fought tooth and nail from giving them that.
And the other crazy part about this all is that the passwords and a lot of the credentialing, the election officials didn't even have access to.
So there's passwords that the audit team weren't given because they claimed they didn't have it and that only Dominion had it.
And so it's like, why are the people we elect or appoint to run our elections not the one in complete control of it?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And so also in the audit report, we are expecting to hear about how certain processes were not followed.
Can you talk about that as kind of how what we can expect from this report as far as certain things that were not necessarily followed the way it should have been?
Well, there's a lot to unpack there because there's a lot that wasn't a lot that wasn't followed.
But I mean, even with like the duplicate ballots, both in Arizona and Georgia, audits have found now that ballots were counted multiple times, you know, that there's processes where in Arizona they have like they're supposed to have a serial number, but the audit team found that there were, you know, thousands and thousands of ballots that weren't properly filed.
And, you know, so there's really a lot to unpack with the report, but, you know, I guess we'll find out tomorrow at one.
Yeah, so it seems like that's where it's going to come down.
So I guess my other question around the audit is what could the routers potentially tell us?
And that seems to be the hang-up, right?
What I actually, I think it might be Friday at one o'clock, but you might be right.
I'm not sure when it's all coming out.
But what?
Oh, no, no, no, you're right.
It is Friday.
What could the routers potentially tell us?
What could they reveal as we continue to look into this?
The IP addresses, the location, what computer was used to access to make those entries.
Like if you have an election office, we don't even know that it actually occurred from the election office.
I mean, this is what the routers would tell us is exactly where those entries were made from.
And so that would be the next step in finding out.
And it's amazing that nobody's come forward to say, hey, I made those entries.
This is what happened.
So for whatever reason, whoever did that or whoever's responsible has not come forward either.
So that's another red flag.
Well, it also just shows that they just don't want to give up the routers.
And when for what reason we can't quite find out, they just say it's a witch hunt.
It's terrible.
Why is it that they don't want to give up the router?
I mean, I think we all know, but that's pretty telling, isn't it?
So there was some, like, I had heard one of the theories or one of the things they were trying to say is that somehow these routers were shared with like local law enforcement.
And so by sharing the router somehow, it would jeopardize secure information or, you know, investigations.
But I mean, this is an investigation led by our Senate.
You would think that would be a priority.
Yeah, I mean, we would imagine so.
The Arizona Attorney General, though, has come and said that these people are breaking the law by not giving over the routers.
Is that true?
Yes.
So there was a subpoena for this information.
And the Attorney General ended up threatening to withhold $700 million in funding to Maricopa County if they didn't hand over the routers in 30 days, along with some other information.
And so that's really what led to this whole agreement that they came to in the last two days, where now there's going to be a designated special master that gets access to the information to give to the audit team.
So I don't know if it's going to, you know, work out in the end.
This is just sort of where we're at right now.
But, you know, the AG did a great job in withholding that money because this is something the American people deserve to have answers for.
And so for these election officials not to hand that over and break the law, he had every right to withhold that money from them.
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Now, has he said something opposite publicly?
Or I'm just curious.
I haven't been following his remarks very much.
Are you cued into this?
I mean, I honestly, I haven't been following the politicians and stuff like that.
I guess that's why I'm finding so much fraud because I'm actually digging where they're not.
But to my knowledge, I couldn't fact check them on that, unfortunately.
Yeah, so I just found it interesting because it seems to be kind of a new wrinkle in a lot of what people have been talking about.
So let's talk about the big D word: decertification.
What does that mean, Heather?
What would it take to get to that?
What is even the precedent if that happens?
Is this realistic?
I always want to manage the expectations of our listeners.
Is decertification realistic?
I mean, I've talked with a bunch of attorneys here in Georgia, and I've heard it, people saying that there is a legitimate way to decertify the election.
And I've heard other people say the contrary.
So it's really, it's hard to say, but I mean, with what happened here in Georgia, without a doubt, laws were broken that compromise enough ballots that the election can't legit, you know, can't necessarily be verified.
You know, like even the chain of custody documents in DeKalb County that recently came out, where there's a law that says when you pick up the ballots from these drop boxes, you have to immediately bring them to the elections office to then be time stamped and you signed, you count how many ballots were in the drop box, you signed a piece of paper.
Uncovering Election Truths00:03:19
There's a whole process, and over 40 to 60,000 ballots violated that process, where some of them weren't turned into the next day, according to the time stamp.
Then there's like, I think it was like 16,000 ballots that don't even have a time stamp.
So someone would have picked up these ballots from a drop box, had them for God knows how long, and then turned them into the elections office that we don't know when.
So it's like there's so much sloppiness that occurred in this past election that, you know, I'm not 100% sure if there's anything we can do about getting Trump back in office or decertifying the previous election.
But and someone once asked me, well, why are you investigating?
And it's sort of like if someone is killed, right?
We still investigate, even though we can't bring the victim back because we need to get to the truth of what happened so that we can prevent it from happening again.
So I would say our primary focus is really to uncover what happened so that we can make the next election that much safer.
Yeah, and so that's the question I want to ask.
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What are some of the biggest issues you would like to see addressed specifically that would actually make our elections safer?
You know, there's a couple ones.
I think because a lot of these states that, you know, President Trump allegedly lost picked up Republican seats, thankfully, a bunch of Republican state legislatures passed laws requiring things like voting IDs and that sort of stuff.
The other big one is keeping people like Mark Zuckerberg from dumping half a billion dollars and funding our elections.
That's a big, big thing that is, I think, more states should start adopting that if they haven't already.
And the other one is, you know, when we have contractors like Dominion or, you know, other voting machine companies or really any company that does business with us as far as our elections go, there should be more transparency about those working relationships.
And a lot of what I've seen is things like FOIA requests, open records requests.
Once the baton gets passed to a company like Dominion, we can't access it, right?
It becomes almost like a censorship.
And Dominion in Fulton County, here's another big red flag that I think should be addressed.
The Dominion rep that oversaw the largest city in Georgia's election is a Nigerian citizen.
So how, and I have deposition documents where he testified under oath that his citizenship is for Nigeria.
And we should have to be American citizens to run our election.
Who is this person that's a foreign national?
What's the position again?
What?
What position does this?
They are the Dominion technician.
They ran the EMS server for Dominion in Fulton County.
A man named Dominic Alamo.
Yeah, that should probably be against the law, you would think.
Heather, thank you so much for joining us.
We will have you back again soon as the audit results are incoming.
I hope that clarified some questions for some people as we look for the audit results to come out.
Heather, thank you so much.
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