"Toxic" Masculinity, the Great Outdoors, and Saving the Second Amendment with Donald Trump Jr.
On a special, largely non-political episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie is joined by his friend Don Jr. to talk about some of the classic qualities that make strong American men and why the cultural marxists that make up the modern left can't stand activities like hunting, hiking, camping, and conservation. Don also does a deep dive into why the Second Amendment must be protected from overreaching, gun-grabbing tyrants like Joe Biden and his nominee to lead the ATF, David Chipman. Finally, a call to action if you want to protect your right to keep and bear arms, Don lays out exactly what you need to do. All of that, plus more, in this comprehensive, exclusive interview with Donald Trump Jr. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hunting Lessons From The Outdoors00:08:37
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Don, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Good to be here, buddy.
So, Don, you're an avid hunter.
When did you first go hunting?
You know, I didn't get into probably hunting a little bit till later in life, like, you know, end of high school type of stuff.
I was always into sort of the outdoors a little bit.
My grandfather was a big part of my life growing up.
He's the guy that brought me to communist Czechoslovakia and all of that stuff.
And it was really, you know, old school kind of, not a lot of helicopter parenting going on.
It's like there's a woman.
It's very bohemian.
Yeah.
Literally.
Quite literally.
Yeah.
You know, there's the woods.
I'll see you at dark.
You know, taught me the basics of sort of fishing and shooting air guns.
You couldn't hunt over there.
It was sort of an elitist thing for those in the Communist Party, but you got me into the outdoors.
I always probably disliked New York City.
I was never a city guy.
Even when working there, it's Friday afternoon.
I was out of the city.
I'd come back in Monday morning, never spent weekends there.
Always got back into that.
And so I wanted to get out of school.
My parents were going through a sort of a rough divorce.
I was 12, 13 years old.
My grandfather had just passed away.
I went to boarding school in central Pennsylvania, and I was blessed to have a couple of guys really take me under their wing there.
It was an old school place, big theater school, the academies, Navy and West Point, and rifle range on campus, trap and skeet off campus.
Sort of really got into all of those games.
And one day, one of the, it was actually the dean of students said, hey, meet me in the parking lot tomorrow at 6 a.m. and dress warm.
Took me on my first hunt.
Today that would go over a little bit differently.
They'd be calling a today.
They'd be calling child services or someone from the bottom.
Was it a deer tag or just this was sort of my first pheasant hunt?
He followed it up, taking me on opening day, Pennsylvania, that sort of deer season, sort of, you know, like quintessential American hunting.
And I just fell in love with every aspect of it, read every book there was, took every opportunity I could do it.
And now it's just a big part of my life.
Do you think that's missing a lot in the younger generation right now?
Being outdoors and all of it.
I mean, kids today, they sit on a couch.
Everything's instant gratification.
Everything's just so fast-paced.
I mean, for me, the outdoors, and that's why I try to get my kids into it as well as others, right?
If I can get a kid off a couch, away from a video game into the woods, I mean, you learn patience, discipline, perseverance, responsibility.
I mean, if you're playing with firearms, it's a real thing.
Those lessons, like, you don't learn them anymore in our society.
You know, it's probably why you see what you see from so much of our youth that doesn't get exposed to that kind of stuff.
So, you know, I think it's sort of the ultimate lesson.
And I think it's not just for those pastimes.
It's that so much of it translates into the real world and how you conduct yourself in society eventually.
Yeah.
And I find that we're so addicted to our devices.
And I'm as guilty as anyone.
Yeah, I mean, just nonstop.
But there's something that happens when you go off the grid that's a true release.
Yeah.
You go hiking in like the Yukon, right?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, my idea of a vacation is like just you fully backpack for it.
Fully removed.
Yeah.
Drop me off in the Yukon with a rifle and I'll see you in 14 days.
Backpack, no trails, no base camp.
No guide?
Yeah.
Some places you have to go with a guide and other places I've just gone with one or two friends.
And you are literally, there's no, you know, there's no sort of out, right?
There's no like, hey, we're going to go back and we can just stay in camp.
Like you're carrying camp on your back every day, you know, 100 mile loops through legitimate wilderness.
And that's my happy place.
Like the idea of like a beach vacation is hell to me.
Sitting on a beach, like relaxing and doing nothing like that, I would rather be at work.
So Don, you've been in one of the most pressure-filled environments over the last five years.
Do you think being able to get outdoors and disconnect from all of it has been one of the things that has kept this all together?
Oh, 100%.
Like I said, especially today with sort of the ease of access and your phone is a camera.
It's this, it's a video.
You got email.
You got your text message.
You got 50 different social media apps.
You're churning content.
You're trying to figure out what's good and what you can work with.
I mean, for there, like there's no cell service.
You're 300 miles from the nearest road.
You literally get dropped off on a float plane on a river and it's the ultimate decompression.
So for me, it's just a great thing.
I mean, I'll carry a small satellite phone that has one battery for like basically emergency calls.
Like if it goes really wrong, maybe they can get you out.
If you break a leg, maybe.
Yeah, something like that.
But basically, you're just incommunicado for two weeks.
And that's when you see the social media blackouts, that's usually where I am.
If I'm not posting, it's like that's that's where I'm at.
Do you think that there's something to this?
I talked about with Jesse Waters.
When you're in the wild, do you think it makes you naturally more conservative?
You have to be self-reliant.
You can't blame other people for your problems.
Do you find that to be yeah, I think 100%.
I mean, I think if you look at so much of the guys that are doing that, you know, at a high level and a real level, where it's not just, you know, you see a lot of this in politics, right?
Where guys show up to a hunt and they're big Second Amendment guys and they're big on brand new shotgun, never been fired, their fingers on the trigger, terrible trigger discipline.
And you're like, yeah, they're just faking it.
But the guys that are really into it, the guys that are truly passionate about those kind of things, yeah, they definitely lean that way.
And it is because my idea of a fun time is being totally self-reliant.
That's a uniquely American thing, though.
I mean, there's other countries that have that.
I think so.
Certainly in this country, it is unique.
I think the difference between sort of American hunting or the outdoor spaceship is in America, it really sort of started off.
It's more of a blue-collar game.
Whereas in Europe, it's for the elite.
Super elite, right?
It's very different.
We must adapt the European model.
It's like, well, not everyone has that kind of money to go out and do that.
That's why I've even bucked so many of the sort of conservative trends as it relates to public land issues and these kind of now so much of the political stuff and as it relates has been weaponized and utilized that way.
But the guys that are doing it real, they get it.
And they are, I'd say, vastly more conservative, meaning the guys that are doing the ultimate stuff.
Doing the most difficult type of stuff.
Yeah, the most difficult.
Again, my thing, if I can do one thing, it's like sheep hunting.
And literally, you may see one animal in a 14-day period.
You do a 100-mile loop with a 60-pound pack.
It's not like you're hiking on a trail.
It's not like walking through Yellowstone where, you know, it's nice and delineated.
Like, you know, you're going, there is no trail.
You're just in pristine wilderness hundreds of miles away from the nearest town.
So walk us through what sheep hunting is, how it all works.
It's just super curious about it.
A lot of walking, a lot of glassing.
So you're just observing.
So it takes an incredible amount of patience.
You got to pick out the sort of one thing.
And I mean, I could show you some of the pictures.
It's, you know, this is vast. wilderness.
You know, there's no, it's not like you're driving in and you hop out and you go for an afternoon hike.
I mean, then that's great too.
I love doing that on the weekends too.
If I'm going out hunting out west or deer hunting, you know, wherever it may be, you know, but on those kind of trips, I mean, you're literally just in open wilderness, no support system, no trails, no, you know, everything is just bushwhacked.
Joe's Radical Second Amendment Stance00:06:51
Do you think it's time for conservatives to start to really take back this issue of public lands, the environment?
You touched on this a little bit.
What would that look like?
Well, I think the answer is yes.
I mean, there's organizations out there that sort of talk about it a lot, but when you actually see what they, they're literally just funded, you know, democratic causes, and they're not really conservationists, right?
The old kind of Theodore Roosevelt model of American wildlife, which is sort of, you know, hunting, the revenue generated from that, preserves the fauna and the flora, you know, whether it be our national park system, whether it be our public lands.
You know, now it's sort of been weaponized to preservationists.
Now, they talk about these things, but they're not really pro-Second Amendment.
You know what I mean?
If they could have a single shot, that's sort of good enough.
So what's the difference between those two?
There's a lot of, I mean, again, I think they've actually just tried to weaponize an issue, hijacking something that would probably be a conservative thing with great marketing names.
It sounds like they're really 400.
The Sierra Club or something.
They would rather actually have no one go in those lands.
No one partake in these things.
So the issue gets really complex.
And, you know, there's some people trying to do good.
But, you know, like all things these days, it sort of devolves into weaponized politics.
And it's a little bit scary.
So part of this all, of course, involves a firearm issue.
You come out very vocally against David Chipman.
Is that his name?
Yes.
Well, listen, Joe Biden, like all things that Biden has promised, he's not going to be a radical, Charlie.
He's a moderate.
It's moderate Joe from Scranton.
He's not going to end American energy independence.
Oh, day one.
He's not going to be soft on Russia.
Well, we'll give them a pipeline.
We'll stop an arms package to Ukraine.
You can't have a pipeline in America.
You can't have those jobs, Charlie.
You can't have the energy independence.
You can't have the lower energy prices because of it.
The reality is everything that Joe Biden has done has been extreme.
Joe Biden, he doesn't care if you have an AR-15 or AR-14, as Joe calls it.
He is totally good with that.
AR-45 or whatever.
Yeah, he called it an AR-14.
That was, you know, it's interesting.
It was an M-14, but no AR-14 that I'm aware of.
And if it existed, I would probably have one.
But you see these things.
And so now, like all things, he's not going to be a radical on the Second Amendment, yet he's pointing like a Bloomberg type anti-gun lobbyist that work for the anti-gun, to lead the ATF, the person who decides, you know, who gets what, who's running back.
All of these things.
You think that guy's going to be fair to people who are just trying to exercise their Second Amendment rights?
You think if you're into the suppressed stuff, you think you're going to speed up that process or make it impossible?
I mean, this is a guy that's talked about bans on standard capacity magazines.
This is a guy who said, well, the Secret Service, who protects the president of the United States, whether that's my father or Joe Biden, well, they don't really need weapons.
They don't really need, you know, oh, yeah.
On Chris Matthews' show, there's a clip.
I think I put it up on social media.
It's essentially what he said.
Well, it's a little different.
They haven't had to use it.
So a guy that doesn't think that some of the highest trained law enforcement in the world doesn't need firearms, you think he's going to be fair and just to someone who wants to have a firearm to protect their family, who may be recreational with it.
So that's where we do have to get involved.
Again, the media on every issue.
We've seen this time and time again, right?
Whether it's the energy thing, they will sell to the American public that Joe Biden's going to be a moderate because they know that's where the American public actually is.
They won't tell you the truth.
They'll cover it up.
They'll push aside anything that would point in that direction, right?
Like Hunter Biden laptop.
It's Russian disinformation.
The laptop from hell was Russian disinformation.
And everyone told you that.
Of course it wasn't.
I wouldn't have that same benefit of the doubt.
I don't think if it was my laptop that they would be trying to say that it's Russian disinformation or any other kind of disinformation.
They would say it is the gospel and therefore will be weaponized against my political enemies.
So, you know, this is not someone who's a moderate on the Second Amendment.
This is someone who hopes to abolish the Second Amendment and he's going to be put in charge of the agency that decides those issues.
So that's where we have to step in.
We have to, A, call out the nonsense.
We have to bring those facts forwards.
And then we have to get active in actually calling our senators, right?
I mean, you have two senators in Arizona, a very pro-Second Amendment state that are both Democrats.
Now, one is clearly a radical on the issue.
And Mark Kelly, yeah, Mark Kelly is clearly an issue, you know, a radical on the issue, but like his constituency has to vote for him again.
Very soon.
Very soon.
And he's going to vote for a radical.
And again, I don't mean someone who's just moderate, but someone who worked for the radical anti-gun lottery for years was in charge of it.
The Waco thing is a whole other mess.
It is a mess.
This guy feels like, I mean, there's something wrong with him.
There's a screw loose.
But again, if you're a radical leftist, it doesn't matter.
They would never question whether he deserves to be there.
They're like, perfect.
He will further our cause.
Therefore, it's great.
We will pretend he's a moderate.
He will not touch any of those things.
He will be wonderful.
No, I'm laughing.
It's like running around the British Navy.
It's like, what was your life experience?
Well, I oversaw the Titanic.
Oh, perfect?
Yeah, that's wonderful.
He should be captain of all our ships.
How much take over the fleet?
That's exactly right.
So you have Arizona.
You have a senator in New Hampshire that's said that she was going to vote for Chipman.
I mean, that's live free or die, except for.
Yeah, and she's up.
And she's up.
Sununu looks like a very formidable candidate up there.
That could be.
So if you're living in New Hampshire, and again, that's a state that's one of the most pro-2A states in the country.
Well, one of your senators is going to vote to confirm this clown.
And Arizona has two, Cinema and Kelly.
Cinema and Kelly.
I think cinema is at least reasonable.
Kelly's not going to be on the issue, but he should be made aware of it.
You had Gabby Giffords, who's like this whole anti-gun gun confiscation.
Of course.
And there's two others, though.
Well, then you have Joe Manchin, which is probably priority number one.
In West Virginia, I'd say the Second Amendment is really strong.
Like when I go up and give a stump speech in West Virginia, I just talk about two way.
Because it is a number one issue for his constituency.
And then you have John Testor in Montana.
Yes.
Another state that's pretty pro-2A.
And again, when it comes to certainly with Tester and with Manchin, I'm for, I'm a hunter, I'm for the Second Amendment.
Well, you either are or you aren't, but you can't say that you're for the Second Amendment while simultaneously voting to confirm this clown.
Yes.
Like you can't do that.
You got to pick one or the other.
So again, if they want to put someone in that's reasonable to the ATF, that's the prerogative.
That's what happens in elections, right?
Elections have consequences.
But if you're going to try to sell to the American people that this guy is not a radical when he's out there saying the things that he said, when he's worked for the people he's worked for, and we're going to pretend, you can't have sort of, let's call them red state Democrat senators that are going to pretend that this is not an issue, that it's not a problem for their constituency.
And so, again, we can't do what we've done historically.
We just sit silently.
Let's see.
Maybe they'll do the right thing.
Call them.
Call each and every one of them.
Believe In Election Consequences00:04:54
Ask them where they're going to be on the issue.
Highlight it for them.
Because to me, it's one of the biggest confirmation issues that are out there because it's not just high capacity magazines, even standard capacity magazines, which is what he said he'd want to go after.
Your AR-15, the other nonsense.
It's literally everything.
Your ability to defend yourself, the basic fundamental aspect of the Second Amendment, that is at stake with this guy.
And, you know, we can sit back and turn the other cheek like we've done for the last 50 years and it's gotten us nothing, or we can actually get engaged and involved.
And the ATF has an extraordinary amount of power.
Oh, incredible.
I mean, they will dictate so many of these rules and laws.
The background check stuff gets done through the FBI, and you've seen that's going woke too.
So who knows what happens there?
But if you're into any of these things as it relates to the nuance, you've seen it, right?
They try to bring up the pistol brace issue.
Well, the ATF made a rule to say that this is what it is, and then millions of Americans abide by that rule.
And they say, oh, huh.
Well, we have a bunch of people that don't know anything about anything.
We made a rule.
We decided to do it.
Millions of people spend millions of their hard-earned dollars to do this and to comply with the rules.
Now we're going to change the rules.
We're going to change that.
And if you don't comply, you're in big trouble.
And I have a feeling that will be enforced upon us, just like the rules are only enforced one way.
You know, they want to go door to door with vaccines.
Well, will guns be next?
I imagine so.
Maybe even more so than vaccines.
And it's a scary situation when you watch sort of the rapid devolvement of what's going on, the rapid rise of sort of the tyrannical state in this country.
I mean, we're not much different than all of these regimes that for years we would have said, that's terrible that you're doing that in Cuba or Venezuela.
I'm like, have you looked in Washington yet?
That's right.
Well, I laugh at these Republicans.
They say, you know, we need internet freedom in Cuba.
Internet freedom in America would be great.
I'd love it.
You know, I'd love to be able to say what I think without being censored.
It's almost like Charlie.
It's a private company.
They can do what they want.
The White House will dictate to them who is and is not in violation of information, who is or is not spreading misinformation.
But I'd ask, you know, Jen Saki.
I'd love maybe Peter Deuce is the only one actually asking real questions in the White House president.
The rest are sitting there like the lemmings they are.
Oh, oh, oh, wonderful.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, you're going to decide.
Well, Jen Saki herself tweeted, the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.
Is she going to be thrown off those platforms for spreading that?
How about Adam Full of Schiff?
He spent six years, five years, whatever it is, talking about Russia collusion.
And he has seen the evidence, but unless he has it, maybe he has to produce it.
But he has not yet produced it, so he's been spreading disinformation.
What about CNN or MSDNC?
They spread disinformation about that.
They spread disinformation and misinformation about myself, right?
Donald Jr., he committed treason.
He then perjured himself.
Yeah, minor thing, punishable by death, right?
He's working for, he's an agent of Russia.
Now, Hunter Biden, millions from Russian oligarchs tied to human trafficking rings, prostitution rings in Eastern Europe.
No problem.
Billion from China investment, no problem.
Those guys have the best return on investment on their money that they put into Hunter Biden than anyone could ever possibly imagine.
But that's not, that's misinformation, even if it's right there in front of your face.
We don't get the same benefit of the doubt, Charlie.
Don, thanks for sitting down again.
So contact our senators about David Chipman.
Contact about, you know, if you believe in the Second Amendment and you believe in those basic rights, contact all of your senators anyway.
But obviously the ones that you're going to have to focus on are going to be Arizona, John Tester, Manchin, up in New Hampshire, because those are the ones that at least you're in a heavily pro-2A state with Democrat senators that are going to be inclined to just go along, make it known, get aggressive on that issue.
And again, I think we've got to get aggressive on every issue.
Donald Trump going out by himself and sort of leading the charge with everyone else just sort of watching in the district.
Dictator sport, no more.
That doesn't work.
They can't cancel 150 million Americans.
And if you look at sort of the American populace as they are now realizing they've been lied to, that the information out there about whether it's the Bidens or anyone else about what the left's trying to do has been suppressed, I imagine it's probably a lot more than 50%.
Because there are going to be people that are going to be inherently liberal that are still going to believe in freedom of speech.
Totally.
That are still going to believe in basic rights.
And those things are disappearing very quickly.
I agree.
Don, thanks so much for joining us, man.
Thank you, man.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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