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July 1, 2021 - The Charlie Kirk Show
36:40
Understanding the True Meaning of "Orwellian"
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NSA Spies on Tucker Carlson 00:02:48
Hey, everybody, new developments in the Tucker Carlson spying saga.
We dive deep into the baseless and nonsensical statement released by the National Security Agency, and we talk about what Orwell was right about.
Orwell was a master and a prophet when it came to human psychology, and we explain why.
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The Constitution of the United States is the greatest political document ever written.
It is one that protects rights granted to you naturally by your creator.
The Orwellian Fourth Amendment 00:14:39
The Fourth Amendment is talked about every so often, but mostly by libertarian types or people on the left worried about mass surveillance and the idea of the state and the government being able to spy on you.
On Monday evening, Tucker Carlson shocked the world when he came out with an allegation and revealed that his team and his show was approached by a whistleblower by the NSA, the National Security Agency, saying that they were being spied on in an attempt to take them off the air.
The whistleblower then repeated that information back to Tucker Carlson.
Producer Andrew did a very good job of walking through this.
I encourage you guys to check that out on our podcast as I took yesterday off as I was traveling.
But I want to play this back again, and then I want to play all the new information that has happened since.
And then I want to dive deeper into this phrase that we keep on saying, which is this is so Orwellian.
This is Orwellian.
This is Orwellian.
So, who was George Orwell?
Why is it important that we keep on?
Why is it important that we understand what he believed?
And what was 1984 exactly?
Well, 1984 is one of the most prophetic books when it comes to authoritarianism and tyranny in history.
And we're going to get to that.
But first, let's go to, again, let's just reframe this in case you missed this story.
Maybe you were backpacking in the woods of northern Alaska and you were one of the few people that did not hear this story.
That Tucker Carlson was probably and likely and almost assuredly being spied on by our own government.
Cut 41.
But it's not just political protesters the government is spying on.
Yesterday, we heard from a whistleblower within the U.S. government who reached out to warn us that the NSA, the National Security Agency, is monitoring our electronic communications and is planning to leak them in an attempt to take the show off the air.
The whistleblower, who is in a position to know, repeated back to us information about a story that we are working on that could have only come directly from my texts and emails.
There's no other possible source for that information, period.
So Tucker hits that perfectly for a couple different reasons.
Number one, solitude, the ability to be alone, is a necessary prerequisite for freedom.
The ability to be alone with your own thoughts and your own journals.
Are you free if you're always being watched and monitored?
You see, one of the things that the tech companies has attempted to do is they have attempted to desensitize the younger generation to this idea of constantly being surveilled.
They have cameras everywhere.
You have an Alexa in your living room.
I have nothing to hide, so I don't care if the tech companies are in my room.
You see, the government or people in power, they want to know what you are doing for the following reasons.
And it's really two major reasons: they want to know your moves and your thoughts before you do them and to preempt them.
So, for example, if Tucker Carlson was planning a bombshell story against the Biden administration, the Biden administration wants to be able to preempt that.
Maybe fire someone before that story comes out.
Maybe correct something before it happens.
And number two, which Tucker hits perfectly, is blackmail.
You see, when you are able to know everything about somebody, that is more powerful than money.
Ayn Rand actually hits this perfectly in the novel Atlas Shrugged, in a scene of Lillian Reardon, when she approaches James Taggart.
She says, I have something much more powerful than money.
I have blackmail.
It's a really important point.
And I'm happy to, I'm actually going to do a podcast later this summer summarizing Atlas Shrugged.
I'm rereading it, and I obviously disagree with Ayn's metaphysics, but that's a different topic for a different time.
Another part is of why they want to surveil is to try to find patterns of behavior for potential social control.
Private communication is fundamental to a free society.
Your movements, your ideas, and your actions, if they are being watched and controlled, they are not your own.
So here's a question for you.
Are your thoughts your own?
Power, in the sense of what our current government and corporate class enjoys, they always aim to preserve their own status and to devour their dissidents.
Therefore, knowing private data and the next move of people you disagree with is essential to the preservation of that power.
You see, many Republicans, including Lindsey Graham, who is great on Kavanaugh and a couple other things, they are culprit number one in giving power to the National Security Agency, giving power to the surveillance state.
And later this hour, we're going to dive into 1984 and how this connects because Orwell was more than just a novel writer.
Orwell was a group of five authors and thinkers that all simultaneously wrote about this idea of authoritarianism.
It was Kessler, Huxley, Orwell, Lewis, and Churchill.
Ah, I got the list right.
All five of them were from Europe or the United Kingdom.
We're going to get into that because we say things are Orwellian, but he also tells us what's about to happen next.
And it also describes why the Democrats have all of a sudden become so pro-CIA and so pro-National Security Agency.
And Orwell explains that in the last three pages of his book.
Jen Sucky, who is what I call her, Jen Saki, comes out and she all of a sudden says in cut 42, this is very important when Jen Saki comes out and they ask her, they say, so Jen Saki, what do you think about the National Security Agency spying on Tucker Carlson?
I want you to listen to this very carefully.
Because if you were to read her response, you would not get the same sort of analysis that we're about to explore together.
You see, Jen Sucky, she responds seamlessly.
She had meetings about this very early in the morning.
I want you to listen to how quickly she responds.
She was not taken off guard by this question.
She had this coached.
She had this rehearsed.
This was as if she was reading off the teleprompter.
She knew she was going to be asked this question.
In fact, the Biden team likely had a huddle that morning before her press gaggle, and they said, Saki, here is how you respond.
Cut 42.
Tucker Carlson said that the NSA is spying on him.
Is the administration aware of any or listening efforts on U.S. citizens by the NSA?
And is Tucker Carlson one of them?
Well, the NSA, as I think you're well aware, I'm sure everyone's aware.
Everyone on this plane is aware, I should say, is an entity that focuses on foreign threats and individuals who are attempting to do us harm on foreign soil.
So that is their purview.
But beyond that, I would point you to the intelligence community.
Oh, yeah.
So I'm not going to deny that we're spying on Tucker Carlson, but I'm going to give you kind of a Wikipedia entry that here's what the NSA does.
And if you have a question to them, go ask them.
And so what's the significance of this?
Well, the significance is that they're likely spying on Tucker Carlson, which means they're spying on the most successful cable news channel that is questioning not just Joe Biden, but the entire ruling class.
What does that mean for the future of our republic?
It means they're willing to do whatever is necessary.
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Solitude is a necessary prerequisite to freedom.
Your ability to have your own thoughts, to be able to explore your own ideas.
As soon as your privacy disappears, you are nothing more than a pseudo-slave to the state.
Tucker Carlson went through this in great detail as he continues to go through the story about how he is being spied on by our own government.
And in fact, the NSA responded, and I'm going to go into the response by the NSA in great detail because it is a stunning press release.
It is a paragraph of lies, and it takes somewhat of a trained eye to see it because they are very careful in the words that they use.
Let's play Cut 53, where Tucker Carlson recapped how the NSA whistleblower that came forward and confirmed the information that no one should have had outside of him or his staff play Cut 53.
Last night we told you about the Biden administration's efforts to monitor and intimidate this show.
On Sunday, we heard from a whistleblower within the U.S. government, someone with direct knowledge, who warned us that the NSA was reading our electronic communications, our emails and texts, and was planning to leak them selectively in an effort to hurt us.
This person had details from my emails that no one outside the recipient could have known.
So it was not a delusion.
It was entirely real.
In fact, it was confirmed.
Only information that were within his emails.
And the whistleblower came forward, and he's probably going to pay a great price for this.
Tucker Carlson continues to explain how, after his show, other news organizations just blew off the story as if this is okay and normal.
Play Cut 54.
After the show last night, after we announced this, other news organizations acted as if it's totally normal for heavily politicized intel agencies to spy on and threaten journalists they disagree with.
It's no big deal.
Stop whining.
But it is a big deal.
It is completely wrong, not to mention illegally.
And this is hardly the first time the so-called intelligence community has done something like this.
They've done an awful lot of it.
Look it up.
If we let them continue to do it, it's the end of democracy.
Democracy can't function with semi-independent, highly politicized intel agencies.
It's really dangerous.
I will never lie to you.
I will always tell you the truth.
We are at the razor's edge of totalitarianism.
That's where we are.
And most people seem perfectly fine with it.
They want to be taken care of.
They don't mind being controlled as long as they get to enjoy pleasure along the way.
Remember when Chuck Schumer threatened Donald Trump?
And he said, Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you, basically saying, They can blackmail you.
They know everything about you.
If you dare challenge the party or Big Brother, we will destroy your life.
This was when Chuck Schumer in early January 2017 was trying to warn Donald Trump, you're really dumb to do this.
Don't declare war on the intel agencies because they'll destroy you.
Play Cut 43.
Shots, this antagonism is taunting to the intelligence community.
You take on the intelligence community.
They have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.
So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this.
Very dumb to do this.
That was a passive-aggressive statement of saying, we control the lines of communication in D.C.
We know everything about you.
We have piles of blackmail about you, Donald Trump, and we will leak it selectively so that we can control you.
And if you're listening to this right now, maybe in North Dakota, Riverside, California, or maybe in Charlottesville, Virginia, they have files on all of you too.
They spy on every single one of your actions and they create files that if you might want to run for Congress, they could use that against you too.
If all of a sudden you become too successful a business person and you want to donate to Republicans, they might leak that to a newspaper.
You see what they have done through the National Security Agency and the monolith of the surveillance state is they have created the largest opposition research file in world history.
The National Security Agency thinks you're dumb, but they're not dumb.
They are clever.
They have no morality, but they are clever.
They issued this response right as Tucker Carlson went on air, literally at 8 p.m.
Clever Lies and Surveillance 00:11:11
The NSA, as soon as Tucker Carlson's show starts, they tweeted a statement in response to Tucker Carlson saying that he was being spied on.
Now, they think you are stupid because they think people skim and they say, oh, they denied it and therefore, no, no, they did not deny it, actually.
I want to go word by word and first read the entire thing, and then we are going to take this apart because there are little, let's just say, code words within this.
Let me read it first with no edification, just exactly as they posted it in response to Tucker Carlson, literally at 8 p.m., the moment where you hear the drum beat and it says, hello and welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight.
As soon as he said that, they released their segment, their statement.
Coordinated, of course.
On June 28th, 2021, Tucker Carlson alleged that the National Security Agency has been, quote, monitoring our electronic communications and is planning to leak them in an attempt to take the show off the air.
This allegation is untrue.
Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target of the agency, and the NSA has never had any plans to try and take his program off the air.
The NSA has a foreign intelligence mission.
We target foreign powers that generate insights on foreign activities that could harm the United States.
With limited exceptions, like an emergency, the NSA may not target a U.S. citizen without a court order that explicitly authorizes the targeting.
Sounds basic enough, right?
So if you hear this, you're saying, okay, they denied it.
But what if you really dissect what they say there?
What if you take a breath and a pause and you come at this with a little bit of cynicism and you say, what are they really saying here?
Let's go word by word.
And if the NSA drops it right as Tucker Carlson's show begins, what if they're trying to cover their own tail in case Rand Paul ever gets subpoena power over them?
Now, even if they were flat out denying it, I think they're lying.
In Cut 66, remember when Clapper, who's a real treacherous guy, very clever, deceitful, arrogant, and is completely unrestrained by any sort of moral decency.
In Cut 66, Jim Clapper went in front of Congress and he flat out lied about mass surveillance.
Now, James Clapper never went to jail for lying under oath in front of Congress.
So even if they were flat out denying, which they're not denying it, I wouldn't believe them.
PlayCut 66.
Last summer, the NSA director was at a conference, and he was asked a question about the NSA surveillance of Americans.
He replied, and I quote here, the story that we have millions or hundreds of millions of dossiers on people is completely false.
The reason I'm asking the question is having served on the committee now for a dozen years, I don't really know what a dossier is in this context.
So what I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?
No, sir.
It does not.
Not wittingly.
There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly.
All right.
This is a total lie and was exposed as a lie by Glenn Greenwald and the Edward Snowden revelation.
So even if the NSA was denying spying on Tucker Carlson, I wouldn't believe them.
Now, producer Andrew said something in our group chat, and I generally agree with what he's saying, but I think he understands my perspective.
He says the NSA has nothing better to do than spy on Tucker Carlson.
Oh, no, for their aims and for their goals, Tucker Carlson is the biggest threat to them.
Tucker Carlson has the most powerful cable news show in history.
Tucker Carlson is communicating to 10 to 15 million people.
If you count recuts, repeats, retweets, YouTube, he is controlling the entire zeitgeist to the center right of the country.
If Tucker Carlson does a segment on something, you'd better believe people are texting about it.
They're talking about it.
And so removing Tucker Carlson from the American political discourse is priority number one for the people of the Clapper, Comey, and Brennan types.
So let's go back through this statement piece by piece, because to an untrained eye, because the NSA thinks you're dumb, they think you skim read, this seems as if there's nothing there.
Oh, but there's something there.
On July, let's read it again.
On June 28th, 2021, Tucker Carlson alleged that the National Security Agency, this is all true.
By the way, my friend Harmeet Dillon did a great job of dissecting this as well.
So I want to give her credit for this.
Alleged that the National Security Agency had been monitoring electronic communications.
This part is true.
And is planning to leak them in an attempt to take the show off the air.
Hold on a second.
They just conflated two different allegations into one.
Tucker heard from the whistleblower that they were monitoring and then planning to leak them and then want to take the show off the air.
Those are three different allegations.
And then the NSA says in a separate sentence, this allegation is untrue.
Which allegation is untrue, NSA?
The fact that you're monitoring his communications, that you're planning to leak them, or that you want to take a show off the air.
Which one of them is untrue?
They don't say.
They just say, this one is untrue.
You see, some crafty, highly paid lawyer at the NSA is playing word games with you.
The statement continues by saying, Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target.
That's a very strange and oddly specific.
Was Tucker Carlson incidentally a target?
Was Tucker Carlson caught up in a dragnet?
Or is Tucker Carlson not a target, but was still being spied on?
You see, what if intelligence target is a very specific categorization in the NSA, and they say, well, he wasn't part of intelligence target, but he was part of a broader effort to try to spy on all conservatives.
Maybe he wasn't a target, but maybe everyone at Fox News was a target, or maybe everyone on the center right was a target.
Do you see all of a sudden how when you start to pick apart this statement, the thread unfolds?
Continues by saying, of the agency and the NSA has never had any plans to try to take off his program off the air.
Well, that's strange because that's only part of the allegation, which is trying to take the program off the air.
Continues by saying that the NSA has a foreign intelligence mission.
We target foreign powers to generate insights into foreign activities.
But the NSA also captures data on U.S. citizens.
So if Tucker happened to be talking to an Irish citizen, of which when I filmed Tucker Carlson today, he had a young lady who was an Irish feminist who was on faming woke culture.
That very well could get Tucker Carlson's communications monitored.
That could harm the United States, is what they say.
With the limited exceptions, why don't you list those exceptions?
Like an emergency.
You mean like the Chinese coronavirus?
So the NSA says, well, only in an emergency.
Well, is the January 6th riot an emergency?
You see, Tucker Carlson was getting onto something about how our intelligence community very well might have been involved in January 6th.
Would that be an emergency?
The NSA may not target really U.S. citizens.
But if they happen to get your data, they can keep it and then they can mine it without a court order that explicitly authorizes the targeting.
You see, this statement was intentionally written for the simple-minded person.
What about a climate emergency?
If Tucker Carlson was texting with Nigel Farage about how climate change is not an existential threat, that very well might validate the NSA spying on Tucker Carlson.
Everything's always an emergency to the left.
So therefore, unless it was an how does the NSA define an emergency?
I guess under certain court orders, we're still living under an emergency like COVID, right?
Emergency measures.
We're able to say you have to wear a cloth on a federal regulated airline over your mouth.
So why can't we monitor Tucker Carlson's text?
It's an emergency, isn't it?
You see, the NSA thinks that you'll read that statement, and then all of a sudden you'll say, ah, of course, Tucker Carlson is lying.
Or maybe when Tucker Carlson all of a sudden came out with vaccine skepticism, could that warrant spying?
Because that's an emergency because mandatory vaccinations is a collective good.
Sit down, shut up, take the vaccine.
And if you don't, we're going to spy on you.
That could be an international emergency.
But what happens if all of a sudden German or UK or French intelligence agencies are spying on Tucker and they give that data to the NSA?
What if a different agency like the Australian intelligence agency does the spying for the NSA and then sends that data to the NSA and the NSA sends it to the FBI?
What's to prevent that from happening?
They don't deny that.
In fact, they don't deny anything that Tucker Carlson alleges.
They say this allegation is untrue.
Which allegation?
The NSA is in the business of taking cable shows off the air.
Yeah, that's probably untrue because that motive is impossible to prove.
I want to re-emphasize this.
This is all illegal.
We need a new church committee.
Senator Church type reset is needed right now.
And the way that they worded this was to try to avoid a congressional subpoena or being caught up in a cross-examination by members of Congress.
Where are the Republicans?
Well, Lindsey Graham and the type, they actually love Big Brother.
They have always loved the surveillance state.
But what's been remarkable to see, what's been so telling, is how the media, who used to always be at war with the intelligence agencies, are now carrying the water of the CIA.
They are now carrying, they are now defending the very same intelligence agencies they used to try and expose.
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And Orwell predicted this.
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They used to not like anti-constitutional measures done by our government, but now they enjoy it.
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George R. Well was an incredible writer and he understood that when technology reaches a certain point, tyrants will not be able to help themselves.
But use that technology to try and monitor and surveil and control a citizenry.
See, 1984 is not a book about politics.
1984 Predicts Our Reality 00:03:46
1984 is a book about human psychology.
I reread it just a couple weeks ago, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
Orwell knew that power, unrestrained by morality, will be abused.
And not just abused, but you will become micromanaged by that power.
And incredibly, the last page of 1984, so if you've never read it and you're planning to, then you guys can just mute me for the time being, or you can just fast forward.
The last page of 1984 shows the arc that we are currently living through.
You see, Orwell knew that if you are surveilled enough, if you are watched enough, eventually, that fear will turn into obedience.
That the fear of Big Brother, which the entire book in 1984 starts with Winston, who lives in Airstrip 1, the new name of London, who works in the Ministry of Truth, starts with him literally changing history.
It's somewhat of a love story where he finds solitude, but Big Brother saw the entire thing happen, and he then goes into, I'm way oversimplifying the entire book.
It's a beautiful piece of literature.
Gets into prison, and he is forced eventually through solitary confinement and through torture to even renounce his romantic relationship.
And Big Brother, the entire movie, the entire movie and the entire book, I should say, has this constant theme of being the villain.
Then Winston sits in a bar at the end of the book, and it says, quote, Winston, sitting in a blissful dream, paid no attention as his glass was filled up.
He was not running or cheering any longer.
He was back in the ministry of love with everything forgiven, his soul white as snow.
He was in the public dock, confessing everything, implicating everybody.
He was walking down the white tiled corridor with the feeling of walking in sunlight and an armed guard at his back.
The long hoped for a bullet was entering his brain in the final paragraph of the book.
He gazed up at that enormous face, Big Brother.
40 years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was actually hidden beneath the dark mustache.
Oh, cruel, needless misunderstanding.
Oh, stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast.
Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose.
But it was all right.
Everything was all right.
The struggle was finished.
He had won the victory over himself.
He loved Big Brother.
What is Orwell saying here?
That is the Democrats.
The Democrats have realized that challenging the surveillance state and the intelligence community is futile.
That if they amass enough power, they will break your will that will end in the worship of that power.
The entire book, Winston feared Big Brother.
The entire book, he tried to escape Big Brother.
The entire book, he tried to challenge Big Brother.
The entire book, he tried to get the proletariat to rise up against Big Brother and the party and the telescreens and the entire Leviathan of surveillance.
But eventually his will was broken and he worshipped that very tyranny the whole book described as the villain.
And that is what's happened with the media.
Rebellion Turns to Obedience 00:01:12
The media, instead of going to Tucker Carlson's defense, instead of coming to Tucker Carlson's aid, they're saying, how dare you question the National Security Agency, the unfounded accusation that would dare question that we're spying on you?
Tucker Carlson, submit.
Your life will be better.
The NSA is there for your benefit.
The government is there for your good.
The spying will make you happy.
You could be free too, Tucker Carlson, to stop asking questions.
The media that used to go and submit FOIA requests of the NSA and the CIA, they now stand staring at that poster of the NSA and they say, oh, how I love you.
And Tucker Carlson, we must destroy.
Own Orwell knew this.
Orwell knew that if the power increased to such a dramatic extent, what would once be rebellion will then become obedience.
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