Central and Eastern Europe—Western Civilization’s Unlikely Ground Zero
Charlie starts today’s show with a touching tribute to Foster Friess who left us yesterday after a long and valiant medical fight. Friess, the businessman and philanthropist known and loved by so many, wrote TPUSA it’s first check of $10,000 which helped get the organization off the ground. Charlie explains what he loved most about his good friend, and then shares some of the life lessons Foster taught him personally. Charlie then dives into the West’s impending population collapse and how the unlikely solution might come from looking eastward to Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland, countries which have reinvigorated the family, marriages, child birth and national pride. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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My heart is heavy today, and I wanted to lead the show with some very just awful news in the last couple days that has come to fold, which is a dear friend of mine and of Turning Point USA just passed away, Foster Freeze.
Now, this year has been tough.
Last summer, we lost Bill Montgomery, who helped get Turning Point USA started and was the original mentor for everything that we have done at Turning Point.
Bill Yespi, a friend of mine from Georgia, passed away suddenly back in November.
Of course, Rush Limbaugh passed away back in February.
Another dear friend of mine, Tom Patrick, passed away recently, who was one of our most generous supporters at Turning Point USA and was a man who was so clear about the need to think freely about these issues.
And now Foster Freeze.
Foster Freeze was a larger-than-life man.
Foster Freese was born and raised in Rice Lake, Wisconsin, with nothing, not a dollar to his name.
He ended up being one of the most successful money managers in American history, running what was called the Brandewine Fund.
I met Foster at the Stairwell, the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida in 2012.
I basically had to barter my way into the convention.
And when I was in a stairwell, I saw a man with a cowboy hat that I recognized.
Of course, it was Foster.
I went up to him and I tried to introduce myself, but he was first to introduce himself.
And he said, My name is Foster Freese.
Here's how you'll remember my name.
You have a Foster's beer and a thing of fries and you add an S.
He told me a couple jokes.
I will not repeat some of them here on air, but they were always fun, colorful, and just slightly politically incorrect.
He told me his favorite Bible verse, told me about himself, and then asked me what I wanted to do with my life.
I told him I was trying to get an organization started called Turning Point USA, that I wanted to educate, inspire, mobilize, and organize young people around pro-American ideas and conservative ideas.
He was enthused at this proposition.
We talked for quite some time, exchanged business cards, and he said he'd support me.
A couple weeks later, he wrote us our first check of $10,000.
That was the seed funding we needed at Turning Point USA to get us where we are now as the largest conservative student organization in the country, one of the largest conservative organizations in the country, where we are playing offense with a sense of urgency to win America's culture war.
Our relationship with Foster did not stop there.
With Foster, I traveled the country with Foster, if not the world, been to different countries with him.
He always had a cheerful, optimistic view of the world.
He was adamant about finding common ground and being civil to one another.
Foster Freese had a hatred of abbreviations for abbreviation's sake.
For example, if I were to say that I ran TPUSA, he'd say, no, no, no, it's Turning Point USA, otherwise known as TPUSA.
He was very specific in how people would communicate.
For example, if you went out to dinner with Foster Freese, only one person was allowed to talk at a time.
There was no side conversations allowed.
You must have one conversation and then listen to that and then react from it.
Foster loved telling jokes.
He always had his current portfolio of jokes that were rehearsed down to the syllable, identically told to all different audiences.
And Foster was probably best known for his generosity.
Foster Freese made many times at Turning Point USA our success possible by issuing challenge grants.
He famously came up at the stage at Mar-a-Lago at one of our events and came up and said, I will put up $1 million if this room can raise a million dollars.
And we multiplied that.
Then the next year, he shocked the audience and said, I will put up $5 million if we can raise $5 million.
And we did that.
And because of that, then Turning Point USA was able to hire all the staff we have now, where we're on pace to have 1,000 high school chapters across the country, do our campus tours, be able to do our massive events, be able to be dominant on social media, all thanks to Foster.
Foster said that a day well-lived is a rep, R-E-P, which means that you have some time for a relationship.
You have to exercise, and if you're productive, a full day, a well-lived day, is including an R-E-P.
He gave away more money than any other person I've ever seen.
Last year, Foster Freese earned $87 million in the stock market.
And Foster Freese gave all of it away.
He gave $87 million plus to charity last year.
Just because he said, God has been good to me, I will give it away to the smallest charities imaginable.
Let me tell you about Foster's 70th birthday party.
Foster's 70th birthday party in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
He invited all of his closest friends.
I was not yet a friend of his, didn't know him.
I was still in high school, but he invited all of his friends to a party in Jackson Hole.
He asked everyone who came to the party to write down their favorite charity on a piece of paper saying that he was going to pick one or two by the end of the night and give them a donation in honor of his birthday.
Everyone was very excited.
Everyone said, maybe my charity will be picked.
Maybe my private school, the charter school, the church, the hospital, whatever it is.
So Foster gets up on stage and he says, you know, there's all these great charities that have been submitted.
I'm going to give $70,000 to all of them.
Every single person's charity was chosen.
People were crying.
People didn't even know what to do.
Where instead of choosing one or two, he chose every single charity.
Now, there were hundreds of people at that event, which means hundred, about 150 couples.
For those of you at home that want to do some math, go do 70,000 times 150,000.
He gave it away in one night.
He had a magic for picking talent.
He loved his country.
He ran for governor unsuccessfully in Wyoming back just recently and finished second in that primary.
He always wanted to see the best in people.
Foster Freeze even went so far to try to build a bridge with Harry Reid, something that always was very interesting.
And he thought he could find one thing he agreed with Harry Reid on, which was restoring Ford's Theater where Abraham Lincoln was shot.
So Foster gave a donation and that got him a relationship with Harry Reid.
Foster passed away yesterday and it troubles all of us, but I know that he would not want us to be sad because he's in heaven.
He was a devout Christian.
He would want us to remember his legacy and to keep moving forward with good cheer, with a love of your country, a love of future generations, and honoring those that came before and to do something now about it.
He lived every moment with this heroic spirit, almost like Ernest Hemingway or Winston Churchill or Teddy Roosevelt.
That I'm going to just do everything I possibly can to make sure that we have something beautiful to pass on to future generations.
And I can say Foster Freeze made that kind of impact on so many people, myself included.
So God bless you, Foster.
It's hard to believe that you're no longer around, that I'm not going to get your very carefully worded text messages or emails that say dictated by Foster Freeze, transcribed by a service, which is one of the ways he texts.
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That's a story I'll tell sometime.
But God bless you, Foster.
Russell Kirk said that a life well lived is if you bring brightness to the corner of which you're in.
And Foster, you did that.
A great man.
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There were some Republicans that very strangely voted for this.
Susan Collins, not a surprise there.
Lisa Murkowski, Mitt Romney, not a shocker.
Rob Portman, Ben Sass, there you go.
And then Bill Cassidy from, is it Bill Cassidy?
I think it's Bill Cassidy from Louisiana.
This is the first filibuster of the Biden era.
Thank goodness we still have that in place.
And CNN says this: the Republican opposition highlights the hold former President Trump still has on most of his party and underscores the deep partisan divide surrounding the fallout of the attack on the U.S. Capitol.
This is not the right way to look at this.
After the Mueller investigation, no sane or rational person should want to appoint another special prosecutor after that meandering, unconstitutional appointment where we saw a complete first of all, no Democrats were successfully investigated.
Well, one was.
He wasn't even successfully prosecuted from it, but one was investigated.
And it turned into something that was a mission creep from the original idea of, oh, we're worried Russia is interfering in our election.
And it turned into going after process crimes of Stone and Manafort, Papadopoulos, Flynn, and others.
And so we know what happens when we give power to these independent commissioners and these independent prosecutions.
Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation is already looking into this.
So I'm glad that Republicans actually held the line.
I was a little skeptical, but I want to give credit where credit is due.
I have a, let's just say, you never know where I'm going to go when I mention Mitch McConnell.
Sometimes I'm very upset.
Sometimes I'm very happy.
Thank you, Mitch McConnell.
Mitch McConnell, you coming out and saying that this commission should be blocked was a courageous thing to do.
And Senator McConnell, you deserve credit for that.
It would have been very easy for you to sue for peace and do the Never Chamberlain thing and just hope for better tomorrow and say, I'm going to appease the other side.
What you did here was the right thing and the courageous thing.
So I'm going to get to this other story here that you might have saw.
The co-founder of Black Lives Matter has stepped down.
BLM co-founder Patrice Cullers has decided to step down.
And we really don't know why.
I mean, we do know that she has amassed a rather diverse real estate empire.
She stepped down as the executive director after it was found that she has basically a real estate portfolio that would make Ted Turner jealous.
She has homes from everywhere from Georgia to Los Angeles.
And it's really kind of Question of what good has Black Lives Matter or BLM Incorporated actually done for the black community.
You see, if BLM stood for the black liberation movement and actually stood for rebuilding families and getting black fathers to take responsibility and charter schools and increasing literacy rates, that's something that I could actually be behind.
Instead, it's the exact opposite.
It's about blaming white people for something they did not do.
It is about embracing critical race theory.
And again, if BLM was about a movement that was rooted in the tradition of Frederick Douglass, if it was rooted in the tradition of Thomas Soule, of talking about what actually matters, which is, of course, a strong nuclear family, if you go to Black Lives Matter website, it says we stand in opposition to the Western prescribed nuclear family.
We stand against this idea that we should have charter schools or any sort of educational programming that works.
And so for that reason and other reasons as well, BLM Incorporated is actually less popular today than any other time of their existence.
And despite all of that, our State Department endorsed BLM Incorporated recently.
BLM Incorporated, since it got very, very popular, and now it's so unpopular that they're trying to go through a rebranding.
They're trying to say, well, no, we're actually against police brutality, which of course is not a major threat against the black community at all.
In fact, I do this with great regularity, which is what, how's Chicago been in the last week for all my friends listening right now on the wonderful radio station and AM560?
The answer.
Has Chicago are the leaders of the Democrat Party focused or on black and BLM Incorporated and what's happening in Chicago?
There's been 246 people shot and killed in Chicago, 1,162 and 1,408 total shot and 263 total homicides.
And most of them, a vast majority, are black on black crimes.
Seems as if there's a great deal of silence from BLM Incorporated on that.
So Patrice Cullers has stepped down after the real estate spending spree has been revealed.
But the real question is this: Are we going to demand an actual, not even demand, where is the actual black liberation movement of strong families and better schools and safer streets?
That's something I could get behind.
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There is a population collapse happening in our country.
Americans are having less children.
Now, this is something that we did predict on our program.
We did a podcast last, I want to say July.
Yeah, I think it was July.
I remember I did it.
I did it in Aspen, Colorado.
When I read this story, I said, oh my goodness, this is stunning.
And I did this last July, where I realized that all the stats are showing that despite the lockdowns, America is on pace to have less children, a massive population collapse.
So why is it important to sustain a healthy birth rate?
Well, in order for a country to have its ability to replicate its values, its language, its culture, and its history, you need to keep on having children.
And so since Western society, I believe, has become too fixated on commercial society, the birth rate has gone down.
Children are an inconvenience for those parents that want to go on a vacation or have more leisure time or pursue their career.
All those things are very important, obviously.
However, when you have a declining birth rate and with that a declining marriage rate, you start to have very serious and some would say systemic issues.
And when those issues do not get addressed or they get ignored, well, then the question becomes, what do we do about that?
So the population collapse in the United States is very real.
We are seeing less boring Americans than ever before.
And yet there is a way to fix this.
There is a way to address this.
And so Europe has a very similar population collapse problem.
All throughout Europe, there has been this issue that we need to bring in more Arabs into Europe for cheap labor to buy our goods.
Yet there's a couple countries in Central and Eastern Europe that are actually bucking the trend.
Josh Hammer, who is the Newsweek opinion editor at Newsweek.com, recently went to Warsaw, Poland, and he talked extensively about how these two countries, despite them being labeled as authoritarian, Poland and Hungary, for example, are actually unafraid to talk about how the Western tradition of their cultural and national heritages are incredibly important.
Josh Hammer writes this.
These leaders, and he's saying of Poland and in Hungary, Viktor Orban, are unabashed about the superiority of their unique culture and national heritages over the Brussels-based European Union siren song, publicly defensive of the Judeo-Christian code and its manifest goodness, and unapologetically side with the United States over Russia and Israel over Hamas terrorists.
As the post-Trump American right continues to cohere and slowly find itself, it should look to modern Central and Eastern Europe to find some concrete pointers.
For instance, Josh Hammer writes, whereas these states properly guard their distinct nationalities, despite a past marked by frequent conflict, shifting borders and occupation by nefarious empires such as the Third Reich and the Soviet Union, American is concurrently in the throes of an invenerating identity crisis of 1619 Project and Critical Race Theory, inspired by racial fractiousness and national self-doubt, despite a history where some deeply lamentable pitfalls notwithstanding,
there is still far more to take pride in than to lament.
Americans can and should look eastward, past Paris and Berlin, obviously, of Macron and Merkel, for inspiration on how both substantive policy and even sheer rhetoric can help foster a culture of national pride and civic cohesion.
If Poland and Hungary can take pride in the distinct national identities and ways of life, despite everything this part of the world has suffered through, then surely Americans can do the same.
So some people are saying that Poland and Hungary are authoritarian.
That's just not true.
They are more in the Western tradition than some of the chaotic, quote-unquote, Western democracies that exist.
And I'll prove it to you.
If you look at the birth rates in Hungary, Hungary stands out against a trend against their neighbors.
Between 2010 and 2017, marriage rates in the European Union remained static around 4.4 per 1,000 people per year.
Yet in Hungary, they rose from 3.6 to 5.2, an enormous rise of 45%.
In this time period, divorces also remained static in the European Union at 2 per 1,000 people, which means half of the marriages ended up in divorce.
Yet in Hungary, they fell from 2.4 to 1.9, a fall of 21%.
So the question is how and why?
Well, the answer is because Hungary decided to subsidize the things they wanted more of and penalize the things they did not like.
So they made it easier, financially easier, to have children in Hungary if you are married and if you share some form of a national ethic.
Now, this is at great opposition to the current orthodoxy that dominates American politics, which is otherwise known as neoliberalism, which is at any cost whatsoever to the national fabric, we must have unrestricted, unfettered trade policy that destroys your domestic manufacturing base and brings in cheap products from overseas because it's a massive labor arbitrage, it's a capital account surplus,
and we're bringing in a lot of cheap products, therefore we're going to get richer.
But even though we might be getting materially richer, which I don't think we are, but let's pretend we are, we're actually getting, I believe, socially, culturally, and spiritually poorer.
Neoliberalism also tells us, and I'm not totally indicting neoliberals, I'm not saying it's totally wrong.
I just think the over-ideological indulgence in that is actually very harmful.
So what is an ideology?
C.S. Lewis famously said an ideology or an ideologue is someone who takes one truth about the world and applies it to all of the world, which will descend you into madness.
For example, something that the neoliberals believe is that all trade is all the time always good.
Now, trade is good, but if you apply that one truth to all things always, then you are then going to be hiding behind ideology despite what be empirical with the empirical truth in front of you.
In neoliberalism, they also believe that mass immigration is always the solution.
They always look for mass immigration as solutions to everything.
So they say, well, Americans don't need to have more than one or two kids per family, no more four, five, or six kids per family, not even three or four on average, which is the healthiest, the healthy number, three or four.
Instead, we're going to bring in a bunch of foreigners to go do the jobs that we are not able to do, not that we don't want to do, but we're not able to do because we're not having enough children per family.
Now, immigration can, certain select types of immigrants, can be an asset to America.
Can be.
But if you act as if all throughout American history always had the same levels of immigration, you're fooling yourself.
Back in the 1950s and 60s, we had an American birth rate that was a multiple of our immigration rate.
And this pathological repetition of the incantation of mass immigration has been so harmful to the American worker and to the American way of life.
And so what Eastern Europe is doing is bucking the trend of neoliberalism ideology.
We are told that diversity is our strength.
I encourage all of you to check out liberal professor Jonathan Haidt, who says that Diversity has its costs, but the type of diversity that research actually shows is the most healthy type of diversity is ideological diversity, which is the very type of diversity that the left wants to destroy.
And that's Jonathan Haidt, who is the head of the Heterodox Academy.
Some people would call him a liberal.
I would call him a classical liberal.
So we have destroyed ideological diversity for the sake of cultural and racial diversity.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
What makes humanity interesting is not what you look like or where you're from necessarily, but what do you think?
That type of diversity is actually very healthy.
That type of diversity, hopefully, if it's done in a fair hearing and free hearing, the best ideas should win if you have some agreed upon moral and virtuous and historical foundations.
So how are we going to reverse the population collapse in our country?
One of two ways.
Either our government is going to get serious about supporting families and making it financially easier to have lots of children, or we're going to bring in another 900,000 people from Somalia.
I hate to be that binary about it, but the leaders in Washington, D.C. always seem to go back to mass immigration, not select or wise or prudent immigration policies.
Instead, they want mass immigration, the most amount of people possible.
And so I would argue that if the government does not have any sort of allegiance or any sort of focus on preserving the American nation, as we call the American country, not the American colony, then they are nothing more than a provisional temporary government serving the interests of maximizing profit and looking at America as just an island to go make as much money as possible and get out if we need to.
You see, the Hungarian government, who's been able to change this trend, they don't view it that way.
They say we want to have more children.
We believe Hungary is a wonderful country.
We believe we have a unique history and we want to preserve it.
If America did that, we would see a revival, the likes of which I don't think many of the people in the intelligentsia would ever think possible.
So there's a question, and we've been kind of playing with this a lot here on the Charlie Kirk show, of where should the conservative movement go from here?
And I'm seeing a resurgence of what could be called traditional conservatism.
I'm actually in belief of that.
And I've been reading a lot of Russell Kirk.
It's so funny here at Hillsdale College.
We just sat in on a course and they just happened to be reading Russell Kirk.
Any college that reads Russell Kirk, send your child to that college.
Or don't send them to college at all because there's not that many colleges.
So it's Hillsdale or Bust, the last college, as I'm wearing my Hillsdale College jacket.
But I want to talk a little bit about, in the couple minutes we have remaining here, email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com for this, is what should the conservative movement embrace?
And in a world that seems to be obsessed with this cult of progress, things changing for the sake of change, we have to be very firm on what Russell Kirk would call the 10 rules for conservatives.
I'm going to read these to you.
And this is a whole podcast for another time.
So if you're interested in this, make sure you check out the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.
But I'm going to read through this and you should say, how often have you heard conservative or Republican politicians talk like this?
Number one, we must stand for an existing moral order.
Number two, we must distrust abstractions.
Prudence and pragmatism matters, not ideology.
Number three, variety and diversity is healthy if it's in accordance with your traditions and customs.
We must stand for justice, which means it's getting what you deserve, not taking from someone what they didn't do to someone where you think they should have.
Property and value are linked in one.
A market economy works.
Number six, power is likely abused.
Number seven, we need community.
Number eight, America should set an example, not remake other nations.
Amen.
Number nine, men and women are not perfectible.
We must limit this cult of progress, this idea of historicism, that we can liberate every group for the sake of liberating it.
Number nine, change, I mean, number ten, change and reform are not identical.
We must detest totalitarianism and socialism, which the current Republican Party does, but we also be very clear about what we stand for: the beautiful, the good, the wondrous, the true.
That we as conservatives are more than just a corporate handout party for Amazon.
But no, we want you to have big families.
We want those children that you have to love America again.
We want an America where you don't have to lock your doors, where you can work with your hands, where you don't have to worry about some corporate Titan like Mitt Romney coming in and shipping your manufacturing plant to Wuhan, China.
We want it to be that we only declare war when we know we can win and win quickly.
We want our immigration policy to put our workers first and not the interests of the opposition party that wants to use immigration for a political benefit.
This is very simple, and the rejection of ideology for the sake of ideology's sake is something that we should talk more about.
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