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Giving Power Back To The People
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| Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show with me as a friend, patriot, veteran, someone who really loves his country, and we've worked together on a variety of different things. | |
| Graham Allen. | |
| Graham, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. | |
| Thanks for having me, man. | |
| I appreciate it. | |
| So Graham is terrific, and Graham works with us on a show at Turning Point USA. | |
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| Graham, you had a big announcement recently. | |
| You are running for Congress against someone who should no longer be a Congressman. | |
| Tell us all about it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So this is day six. | |
| So day six on the campaign trail. | |
| We got to announce on Fox News that we are primaring Tom Rice out of South Carolina's District 7. | |
| Tom Rice is one of the infamous 10 Congressmen and women that voted to impeach President Trump. | |
| And you're right. | |
| I don't like to say that he deserves to be removed because of an impeachment vote. | |
| I like to say it like this. | |
| Tom Rice forgot his place. | |
| And what I mean by that is our, well, hopefully mine one day, but our elected officials' place is to represent and be a conduit to the voice of the people that they represent. | |
| District 7, Donald Trump won by 20 points in 2016 and in 2020. | |
| So, Tom Rice, what he did is what happens to a lot of people, whether they may have good intentions or not, they go to DC and they become politicians. | |
| This is why I believe in term limits. | |
| This is why I believe that no one should be in Congress or DC for forever, because there comes a point where you are no longer a average citizen and you think you know what's best for the people you represent, which is the exact opposite of the mindset you should have. | |
| Tom Rice says that he voted the way he believed that he should vote. | |
| That is the direct opposite of what you're supposed to do as a representative of a district. | |
| You represent 750,000 people. | |
| It doesn't matter what Tom Rice thinks. | |
| It matters what the people that voted for Tom Rice think in his district. | |
| And he has proven that he forgot that. | |
| And he just did it again, literally, just did it again for this commission, this bipartisan commission that they're going to have. | |
| And I did the air quotes when I said that. | |
| It's really the Pelosi Commission on the events that happened with January 6th. | |
| He voted again. | |
| I think it was 35 Republicans that voted for that. | |
| So it's quite sad. | |
| We need to not only take back the House and the Senate 2022, Charlie, we need to fortify the House and the Senate in 2022. | |
| So are there any other people running against Tom Rice that we know of? | |
| That we know of as far as 13 of us. | |
| And so yeah, there's 13 of us as of right now. | |
| And so, yes, we are very hopeful that our message, which is to give the power back to the people, is very, it really is quite simple, really. | |
| Our goal is to give the power back to the people where it belongs. | |
| I believe that the Lord has blessed me with a platform that allows me an ability to do things that a lot of people can't do. | |
| I have the ability to open up my phone and talk to all 750,000 people within my district about what's going on. | |
| How do you want me to vote? | |
| How do you want this to be done? | |
| How do you want your voice to be heard? | |
| I want to be the most transparent congressman in history. | |
| You know, we could all take notes from President Trump, how he did it, his transparency in the media, how readily available he was for praise and criticism. | |
| So I'm hopeful that that message will resonate and we will outfundraise and hopefully a lot of these people will start dropping out because everybody knows if 13 people go into primary, the odds are that the incumbent's going to. | |
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Breaking Up Big Tech Now
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| Now, is it a runoff or is it straight up? | |
| This is straight up. | |
| So, I mean, I'm sure that there could be a runoff potentially, but right now there's 13 people declared. | |
| You know, hopefully, if early indications of small dollar donations are any clue, I think that a lot of Americans and a lot of people, especially in South Carolina, are resonating with us and our message, which is just simply give the power back to the people where it belongs. | |
| Get big government out of the states and just give the power back to the people because that's how America was supposed to be. | |
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| So Tom Rice is a collection of many Republicans that are kind of these corporate Republicans, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Peter Meyer, you know, people that are quite honestly very worthless as politicians. | |
| And they might be nice people, but they should go be lobbyists or something. | |
| One of the issues you and I care about the most is regulating and breaking up big tech. | |
| And I use those words intentionally, regulation and breaking up. | |
| No more of this kind of innocent vanilla language. | |
| They have declared war on us. | |
| These tech companies have decided our viewpoints don't matter, that our voices have no value. | |
| You and I both have, I mean, you have more followers than I do on Facebook. | |
| And between both of us, we have millions and millions of followers on Twitter and Facebook and YouTube. | |
| And we've both made a following and money from these tech companies. | |
| But you and I both know that they have shut off and they can shut off the spigot at any time. | |
| And that is just the beginning of the terror that they are able to exercise over us. | |
| Tell us about what you will do in Congress when you do defeat Tom Rice and then you do in the general to break up these tech companies. | |
| Well, first of all, Charlie, I think you put it very well, is this part of the issue that we see with elected officials right now is that we, I keep saying we, I'm not an elected official, but our elected officials don't do a good enough job of educating the everyday American of what's really going on and what the actual dangers are. | |
| You know, what's actually dangerous about HR1, what's actually dangerous about the Brand New Deal, what's actually dangerous about big tech and Section 230. | |
| The actual danger is we are literally maybe a few months away from Chinese Communist Propagandist Party, which is on social media, controlling what we see, what we hear, what we're allowed to say, what we're allowed to share, what we're allowed to read, what we're allowed to listen to. | |
| I've said this multiple times. | |
| Back when the election was still going on, the New York Post bombshell that was the Hunter Biden laptop, et cetera, suppressing that because they couldn't verify it immediately was the equivalency of burning books back in 1930. | |
| And it is. | |
| It is. | |
| It's digital burning of books and trying to manipulate what information the American people are supposed to have. | |
| So I'll say this, Charlie. | |
| Me and you get it. | |
| We're younger guys. | |
| We understand. | |
| Obviously, we have made a living learning behind the veil of social media. | |
| The generations that are my generation in their mid-30s, and especially the generation above me, they have no idea how big of a threat big tech poses to their children, to their children's children, and to their children's children. | |
| If we don't fight to break up big tech right now, and what I mean by breaking them up from regulating, like you said, removing this Section 230 loophole, because it was created in the late 90s, before you had social media accounts and things like this, readily available information to the everyday American. | |
| If we don't stop it now, and if we don't fight it now, and I hold a lot of Republicans accountable when we had the House and the Senate back in 2016, because we didn't do anything about it then. | |
| And look where it's gotten us now. | |
| So, what we actually need, Charlie, is we need people, new people, hybrid candidates. | |
| I've talked about this a lot. | |
| We need people that are not only have a voice that, as you said earlier, can be taken away at any time because social media has more power than the president of the United States. | |
| We've already seen that. | |
| We need fighters and we need more than a vote. | |
| We need a voice. | |
| We need people that are not afraid to go up against big tech because people like us have been going up against big tech for the past four or five years. | |
| We're used to big tech being upset with us. | |
| We're used to big tech being mad at us. | |
| Here's the thing: I listened to one of your episodes and I completely agreed with it. | |
| Why did Facebook and Instagram not reinstate Donald Trump? | |
| Because they know that they're betting that even if the Republicans get the majority again, they're not going to do anything about it. | |
| They're more afraid of the Democrats of the left because you can say what you want to about them, but right now they are on attack and they are on attack mode and they are going to take down every single person that stands in their way. | |
| Well, I hate to say it like this. | |
| And I know that we are conservatives and we are the party. | |
| We are actually the party of equality and understanding and incorporating of all race, religion, gender, whatever. | |
| But we need to go on offense now. | |
| We've been playing defense for so long. | |
| We've been playing prevent defense, which is proven to never work ever. | |
| We need to go on offense. | |
| We need to not only take back the House in the Senate, Charlie. | |
| We need to be working with current congressmen and congresswomen and senators that are in there that are good ones. | |
| And we need to be coming up with legislation that on day one, when we take back majority, we have 10, 15, 20 pieces of legislation to go to the floor day one. | |
| None of this, well, it take, I've heard it all. | |
| In six days, I've heard so many elitist establishment out of touch excuses for things. | |
| Well, it takes a congressman a year to two years to figure out what's going on. | |
| And then year two, they finally get their feet underneath them. | |
| And then eventually they pass. | |
| No, we need to be working with the people that are there right now that we intend on joining the ranks. | |
| And we need to work together and break up big tech because if we don't do it, if we do not put Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, I don't know who the YouTube person is, and Google. | |
| Google is the worst out of all of them. | |
| Yeah. | |
| If we do not take the fight to them, I love what Ron DeSantis is doing right now. | |
| I think it needs to go across the board, not just politicians, but Americans in general. | |
| If Americans are censored or cut off for their viewpoint, you need to find these companies millions of dollars a day. | |
| Because if you affect the stockholders, you affect Mark Zuckerberg. | |
| I love your Supreme Court analogy. | |
| You know, Facebook has this Supreme Court. | |
| Do you really think that Mark Zuckerberg doesn't have the final say-so or the final nudge of which way that Supreme Court goes? | |
| No, you affect their shareholders, you affect their pocketbooks, and they are a worldwide company. | |
| That's another thing that Americans forget. | |
| Facebook is a worldwide company. | |
| So we need to stop treating them like they are only focused on America. | |
| No, they're only focused on treating America unfairly as opposed to other countries. | |
| So we need to treat them as such. | |
| If they want to be an enemy to the American people, to the American way of life, our First Amendment rights, then we need to start treating them that way and we need to act accordingly. | |
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| So there seems to be a lot of frustration people have towards Washington. | |
| And I guess, can you talk about how you're going to be willing to use your position as a congressman as a communication arm to explain what's happening? | |
| You know, legislatively, things die and you're going to have a Democrat president for the next couple of years, right? | |
| So what else can you do outside of just bills that you think you can make the conservative movement not just progressively conservative, which is a bunch of nonsense, but actually defending things that matter? | |
| Yep. | |
| The thing that I think President Trump did, that in my opinion, is the greatest thing he did. | |
| He did a lot of amazing things as president. | |
| But the thing that he doesn't get enough credit for is what I think is the most powerful thing that he actually did. | |
| Donald Trump removed the veil that was the American people to politics. | |
| Before President Trump got into office, most people couldn't tell you five things that were the top five things that were being talked about in the world, in the country, in politics. | |
| They didn't even really know who was running for president until the primaries were over, et cetera. | |
| Nobody cared. | |
| One thing that I am very proud of the American people right now is that they are fighting back against the Biden administration because they are asking the question: where are you? | |
| Why aren't you talking to us? | |
| Why aren't you readily available? | |
| What I think that we need these hybrid candidates to go in that do have a voice is because here's the truth, Charlie. | |
| Me and you have talked about this a lot. | |
| There are some bills that are going to pass no matter what you do, even if you oppose them, even if you don't. | |
| That's just the way it is. | |
| That's why majorities are there. | |
| That's why minorities are there. | |
| We need people that can actually educate the American people as to why they didn't pass. | |
| Let me explain to you about this bill. | |
| Let me explain to you why HR1 is dangerous. | |
| Let me explain why the Democrats seem to want to be anti-Israel all of a sudden. | |
| Let me explain to you why this is a big deal. | |
| Let me explain to you where our standpoints are, where this affects us on a national level, where it affects you on a state level, where it affects you in a district in that state level. | |
| And this is why it's not passing because these individuals, these people do not want it to pass because they do not care about you. | |
| What that does, Charlie, is if we become more transparent with people that have the ability to reach more people, President Trump can't be the only voice for the Republican Party. | |
| He just can't be. | |
| He can't be. | |
| He could be the leader of the Republican Party. | |
| He could be the president, but he can't be the only person that is able to speak. | |
| We need to surround the Republican Party or the GOP or conservatives with an army of fighters around them to educate the American people. | |
| Because if you're able to get the word out, then you do affect voters the next voting cycle and you do affect opinions that hopefully can affect change as we move on and as we go forward. | |
| Because right now, Republicans have the minority vote, which if we're being completely honest, your vote really doesn't mean a whole lot if it is always going to pass because the Democrats want it to pass. | |
| So what should we be doing right now? | |
| We should have people that have voices and the ability to stand up and educate the American people. | |
| This is why $15 an hour is going to tank the economy. | |
| This is why adding another $4 trillion in debt is going to cause inflation and your children's children's children are going to be feeling the effects of this. | |
| That's how we affect voters in the future. | |
| That's how we affect voters in the long run because they're so used to being fed propaganda from the fake news media. | |
| They need people that can literally sit there on their phone and say, I just came from the chamber. | |
| This is exactly what happened. | |
| This is exactly what's going on. | |
| And you need to be aware of it because you are, I'm assuming that I get in. | |
| You are our boss. | |
| You are the governing power and authority in America, the people. | |
| And if the people don't know what's going on, how in the world are we supposed to know and represent the will of the people? | |
| Yeah. | |
| So in closing here, Graham, talk about some of the other issues you really are passionate about, life, Second Amendment, veterans issues, and talk a little bit about yourself. | |
| You might be new to some of our audience. | |
| Well, I did 12 years in the Army, so I'm very pro-military. | |
| We need a strong military. | |
| I'm all about it. | |
| I am very concerned, like a lot of people, with a lot of advertisements that we're seeing here lately. | |
| It seems like the U.S. military is trying to lean towards this wokeism that's very scary. | |
| I just want to remind everyone that the sole purpose of the military of the United States is to destroy the enemies of the United States, both foreign and domestic. | |
| That's it. | |
| That is the defining principle of the United States military. | |
| I am very pro-police. | |
| We need police with more money, not less, more training and more equipment and more assets at their disposable to be able to do their jobs. | |
| We need border security. | |
| Oh my gosh, we can go all day about this. | |
| It is more than just votes that are bought and paid for that become blue votes. | |
| We have an opioid and a child sex trafficking epidemic within or pandemic epidemic, whatever you want to call it within our country right now that we're not able to fight against properly because we have our border patrol agents having to babysit all of these people that are coming in at the border. | |
| We have to know who these people are. | |
| We have to know where they came from. | |
| We have to know what their reasonings are for being here. | |
| It is the most military basic thing ever. | |
| When you are setting up a territory in times of war, you fortify your position because if you can't protect your home base, you're not going to be able to do anything. | |
| It is the most basic thing. | |
| If you have a bleed on your leg, you don't go around doing your own business and just worry about the bleed later. | |
| No, you handle what's bleeding and you stop and you fix it. | |
| And also, we need to fight to restore election integrity. | |
| The American people need to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that their vote still matters. | |
| We need to pass a voter ID. | |
| Why is this even an issue in the first place? | |
| You can't do anything without an ID. | |
| Why should you be able to vote? | |
| Signature verifications on absentee ballots that are justified. | |
| Okay. | |
| Are there some people that have to turn in absentee ballots? | |
| Absolutely. | |
| I was literally in Iraq in the war and had to do an absentee ballot. | |
| That would be a reason why somebody perhaps could not be able to be there to vote. | |
| But on the flip side, we also have to be able to look at Americans and say, if you can't get off your butt to go to the poll to go vote, you're not exercising your right to really vote, are you? | |
| We need to remind, we need to entrust, and we need to show the American people that their vote matters. | |
| Because if the American people don't think that their vote matters, well, we saw some of that in Georgia just here in the Senate runoff. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So how could people contact you and support you, Graham, in your very important endeavor to retire Tom Rice? | |
| Yes. | |
| Well, Charlie, thank you for letting me come on. | |
| If you believe what we believe, that the power should be with the people, that you, the American people, are the boss, you can check out the campaign at grahamallensc.com. | |
| Any donations are welcome to our fight to bring the power back to the American people where it actually belongs. | |
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| All right, Graham, keep fighting, man. | |
| We'll see you around the trail and get rid of Tom Rice for us. | |
| Why won't please do that? | |
| I'll do my best, man. | |
| Thank you. | |
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| Thank you soon. | |
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