The Woke Supremacy Coalition + Charlie Confronts the Haters
Charlie dives back into the ongoing Meghan and Harry controversy, responding to reaction stemming from comments he made on this show the day before that went viral after Media Matters reported on his commentary. Catch his reaction exclusively here. Then Charlie outlines the resegregation of America starting with Colombia University's 6 separate commencement ceremonies catering to different races and intersectional groups. Finally, Charlie confronts one of his haters who argues against the usefulness of understanding and referencing ancient thinkers. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey, everybody.
Today on the Charlie Kirk show, I respond to myself going viral over Megan and Harry.
I respond to another criticism about whether or not the Bible is outdated and people that came before us.
Is there anything to learn from the ancient world?
We go through so much more.
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If you are in Illinois, you need to listen to this episode because I focus on the Naperville School District 203 and text it to all your friends in Illinois because it is scary and dangerous what's happening in my former home state.
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In the second hour of our broadcast yesterday, we decided to comment on the Megan Markle Prince Harry drama.
Our production team said, Charlie, you got to weigh in on this, and this is heating up.
I said, all right, we'll dive into it.
In fact, our entire first hour was dedicated to the $1.9 trillion stimulus bill, open borders, illegal immigration.
And we took it head on.
And everything we said was absolutely factual and correct.
And what's been very interesting to see over the last 24 hours is how the activist media and people that are very overly protective of Megan Markle, Oprah, and Prince Harry have reacted to any sort of criticism thrown their way.
So I just want to talk about from a broader theme, why I think it's actually important that we zero in on this.
Certain institutions are important to protect and preserve and to remain intact.
In the United Kingdom, the tradition, the legacy of the monarchy is something that is taken very, very seriously.
And I have a great deal of respect for it.
Every time I visit London and I visit my very good friends in the United Kingdom, we have Turning Point UK.
It is something that people are very, very proud of.
And they should be.
In a lot of different ways, the British monarchy brought common law to the rest of the world.
Some of the greatest thinkers of William Blackstone, Edmund Burke, were people that were educated and formed in the British monarchy.
And all the inner drama is not something that I have always followed.
In fact, a lot of Americans have a fascination with the crown, the production of films around it, the show literally called The Crown.
Also, Downton Abbey, the entire history, it seems as if America has a multi-generational fascination with this.
I think that's fair.
I think that's well said.
And so when someone comes onto the scene and has a general negative narrative to contribute, especially someone that I think should be having more gratitude than not, such as Megan Markle, and attacking the royal family, I just say, timeout.
It seems as if there's a general trend that every institution that wasn't created by the left in the last 18 months must be destroyed.
We call this cancel culture.
I think it's a lot deeper than that.
It's a corrosion against who we are.
Dr. Seuss, Aunt Jemima, Gone with the Wind, Thomas Jefferson, George S. Patton, Teddy Roosevelt, you name it.
So this general trend of the removal and the accusation, this idea that everyone who came before me except Vladimir Lenin is a bad person, I just kind of say slow down a little bit.
Remove that kind of prideful arrogance, that resentment, and maybe say that there's a rich tradition that came before you, and you're not the greatest person ever to grace the planet.
And so that pattern manifests itself in a variety of different ways.
And it just seems it came together in one interview at one time, all these different cultural trends, which is why I think it's worthy of commenting on it.
It seems as if this was almost an intersection point of dozens of different cultural issues in one interview.
You had one where you had the multi-billionaire black woman who plays into victimhood culture, despite herself being a victor and a very successful woman who built her whole career around that narrative, Oprah Winfrey.
You have Megan Markle, who throws an accusation of which I don't think she's telling the truth.
I said that yesterday.
And at the very least, I think that she is misrepresenting what happened because she doesn't offer specifics when she was pressed on it.
And then you have Prince Harry, who allows his family and his country to go basically to be attacked without any sort of defense whatsoever.
And his family, who deserves praise and credit for the strong example that they have portrayed for the rest of the world, quite honestly.
And then all of a sudden, he's going to sit idly by while their honor is attacked publicly.
That's a no for me.
And again, it goes to this deeper point, which is: are we just going to allow ungrateful, unhappy people to tear down everything that came before them?
I'm not saying a monarchy is perfect, of course not.
But this seemingly irresistible urge to go scorched earth on cultural institutions is incredibly dangerous, self-defeating, and I think it has to be stopped.
The arrogance and the resentment from that line of thinking.
And so there's a lot of different details that we can unpack.
And I think that Prince Harry in particular, who has now decided to play into this very troubling false narrative, basically saying that I agree my family has so many problems.
They're not honorable that I will disconnect and disassociate it.
He even said that I felt trapped when I was part of the monarchy.
And this is what irritates me the most.
This kind of subtle victimhood.
Oh, I felt so under attack and trapped because it's such a difficult life being a royal.
After the last year of the suffering and the lockdowns and the pain that so many people felt, we now have to be lectured by someone born into the royal family about how difficult that life might be.
But if you are now actively participating in the destruction of institutions that came before you with no desire to build anything new, instead just making an entire public persona on the accusation of multi-generational honor and success, then I'm going to do everything I possibly can to call that out.
The experiment of Western civilization, of which the United Kingdom has played a massive role, is under attack in a variety of different ways.
And so we'll continue to build that out.
But for anyone wondering over the last 24 hours, do I think any differently?
Why would I think any differently from what I said on that?
Oprah Winfrey platformed a non-stop interview on victimhood and on trying to attack honorable people.
And then Megan Markle, I think, comes up with a narrative that is not rooted at all in facts or any sort of evidence.
And when she was pressed, she didn't offer that.
What I always love looking and seeing is how so many of these deconstructionists like Megan Markle may have no interest, no desire, and quite honestly, no skill or talent to create anything to replace what they want to destroy.
Nothing.
Instead, it's, I'm such a good person.
Look at me.
Kate Middleton and the entire monarchy and even Harry's father, in their own words, is worthy of public accusation.
If they have problems, deal with them privately.
But if they're trying to now accuse a bedrock institution of Western civilization, then we must push back against it.
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Should I want to respond to a question that someone emailed us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Someone said, Hey, Charlie, I go to Southern Utah University in my last semester.
I'm getting my degree in communication, which I know is a little useless.
I was fortunate enough to get a scholarship to pay for my school.
At least I was not going to get to my degree.
I've worked in HR in the School Career Center as a student employee, and I've noticed that there are lots of jobs that require applicants to have a degree to be considered for a job, but they really don't care what you studied.
How do we reconcile the idea of going to college to get a skill to the market that attracts people with useless majors?
In my case, I feel like an HR experience is much more valuable than my degree, but the experience alone wouldn't be enough for a lot of jobs out there.
You're exactly right.
So, this is one of the biggest problems with the college cartel: employers are demanding having a degree.
Where if you really want to break that system, the key will be the accreditation gap.
Why employers demand a college degree is really stunning.
There is no difference between a high school graduate of most times and a college graduate.
The only difference is that the college graduate has a significantly greater debt burden.
In fact, we have hired plenty of people at Turning Point USA, and we care much more about your work ethic and your character than whether or not you have a piece of paper from a university.
We hire people that have not graduated college, people that have graduated high school.
And the number one correlation between a successful employee is work ethic and character.
The willingness to learn and to do the right thing.
So, I understand the frustration.
A lot of people say, Well, these employers say I need to get a degree.
Well, I would encourage people maybe to take a gap year, go to local community college before you would enter into a four-year experience, unless you know specifically the type of skill that you want to acquire.
If you know why you want to go to college to become a doctor, to become an engineer, to get a skill that would help you in the marketplace, then so be it.
However, if you are going to college for an ideological exploration to find yourself, you'll more likely lose yourself.
And for the parents listening out there, and we experience this all the time at Turning Point USA, you are going to play Russian roulette with your child's values.
And so, I understand that the pressure is on high school students to go to college.
And I'm not saying no one should go to college.
I've never said that.
I am a critic of the institution of college.
And I'm definitely a harsh critic of this idea of mandatory entrance into college.
I ask high school seniors all the time, why are you going to college?
Well, that's what we do.
Why?
Well, my parents told me that.
To go borrow money, you don't have to study things that don't matter to go and find jobs that don't exist.
This is actually going to be the essence of my upcoming book where I am going to go right into the conversation around college in our country, where I truly believe our country would be a better place if college enrollment dropped by 30 or 40 percent and we had more plumbers, electricians, carpenters, people that work with their hand, the hands.
The problem is, most suburban parents don't want their kids to become a plumber or electrician.
They would much rather have their kids become a secular liberal than a happy, God-fearing plumber.
So that's one of the major problems.
There is a massive skills gap in our country where people graduating with communications and psychology and humanities degrees are struggling the most.
Where people that actually have a very specific skill, they are able to then find employment, see raising wages, and not be in debt.
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George Wallace was a Southern Democrat who actually ran for president as a third party candidate.
He won a couple states.
I think he was the former governor of Alabama.
He most famously gave a speech where he said, segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.
He was widely condemned by Republicans at the time.
Republicans, of course, who passed the Civil Rights Act, Republicans who have always been the party of racial progress.
The Democrats have always been the party of racism, and they still are to this day.
The Democrats went from the plantation to intimidation to entitlement.
Same philosophy, different strategy.
But now, Democrats are going in a truly regressive direction.
You see, the people that Are the biggest proponents of progress are actually now the ones that are pushing the hardest to bring us back to the times of George Wallace.
So let's first listen to the words yourself.
Listen to George Wallace back when he was running for president.
Play tape: In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny.
And I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever.
Talking like a true Democrat.
Republicans ended segregation with the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
Lyndon Baines Johnson signed it reluctantly.
And now segregation is back.
And it's not the segregation that CNN would wrongly portray on their cable news network.
Instead, it's from Columbia University, Columbia University in New York, Manhattan, now is offering, hosting through the university segregated graduation ceremonies.
At Columbia University, graduation is segregated by race, sexuality, and income level.
Columbia University is now describing these graduation ceremonies as multicultural graduation ceremonies.
In the last week of April, graduation will be offered virtually for LGBTQIA plus blacks or first generation or low-income.
So whites are not allowed discriminating based on skin color.
And I'm reading off of CharlieKirk.com.
So I encourage you to go right now.
It's on the front page of CharlieKirk.com.
You can read along with me and check out our other stories.
How is this not against the Civil Rights Act discriminating against white people?
Not allowing whites to go to the black graduation ceremony.
Of course, New York University, NYU University, was entertaining for quite a while, and it's unclear whether or not it actually happened because of the virus.
Black-only dormitories.
Black-only learning centers happen all across the country.
And the regressive left, they say, well, this is not segregation.
This is a safe space for healing for black people.
So that says two things.
Actually, three things.
Number one, you're unbelievably racist.
Number two, you think that black people, the only way they could possibly succeed is in a segregated environment, which is exactly what the KKK and George Wallace used to say.
And number three, you care so much about skin color and the melanin content in people's skin that you now want to truly divide people based on race, class, and gender.
Columbia continues by saying that racially and sexually segregated graduation ceremonies will be hosted throughout the week.
They are, and I quote, the native graduation ceremony, the lavender graduation ceremony on Monday, April 26th, the Asian graduation ceremony, the FLI graduation ceremony for first generation or low-income community, the Latin X graduation ceremony, and yes, the black graduation ceremony.
Martin Luther King Jr. dreamed of an America without separation and segregation.
The dream of Martin Luther King Jr. is dying at the hands of leftists, not liberals.
John Lewis, who the left tries to quote quite often to try to pass universal vote by mail, says, we saw ourselves doing the work of the Almighty.
Segregation and racial discrimination were not in keeping with our faith, so we had to do something.
Major Owens said, what is our greatest enemy?
Segregation.
Rashida Talib says, I still remember at the age of 12 learning that segregation had been permitted only a couple of decades before I was born, that a woman's right to vote was not even a century old.
But it was the great Americans who stood up, some dying for the cause to make our country better.
Jesse Jackson, in many ways, history is marked as before and after Rosa Parks.
She sat down in order that we all might stand up and the walls of segregation came down.
Well, Jesse Jackson, the walls of segregation are coming up.
Our children are being re-segregated voluntarily by mostly white liberals that are running these universities.
Why?
Well, because unity is a threat to the power grab of the left.
Unity poses a danger to those who wish to demagogue and assume complete and total control over a society.
So as I read here again from CharlieKirk.com, Columbia University hosts six different commencements segregated by race, sexuality, and income level.
Only people that would want to divide our country, turn people against each other, could support such a thing under the disguise, under the camouflage of progress.
There is nothing progressive about focusing on skin color.
In fact, what made America the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world, the most successful multiracial country in the history of the world, was that we moved past the separation of our skin color and into, at least for a brief moment, a conversation based on character, one that would reward good decisions based in a meritocracy,
a multi-generational idea that if you work hard and play by the rules, you can move up in society.
It is an intergenerational meritocracy.
And so if you dare push back against Columbia University and call them racists, which they are, you verge, you are now on the edge potentially of being fired, canceled, or censored.
So the people that educate your children have now run out of so many ideas.
In fact, they are so hungry for power, the only playbook that they can go back to is the Southern Democrat Segregationist Playbook, which goes back to one of my main points that I make on this program and our podcast many times.
And I encourage you guys to check out the Charlie Kirk Show podcast right now, which is that the Democrats have not changed at all.
Republicans have always been about the lifting up of the individual.
Republicans have always been about the protection of rights of all people.
And Democrats just have changed their strategies to keep themselves in control.
They went from the plantation to intimidation to entitlement, now back to segregation.
This is one of the most dangerous trends happening in America right now.
And if you are sending your child to a university campus, They are going to be indoctrinated.
They are going to be conditioned to believe that the segregation based on skin color is the new progressive idea.
And it is up for every person, liberal and conservative, to fight leftists.
And this is something that Dennis Prager talks about quite often, which is if you do not challenge these ideas early, how will a 12-year-old know any different?
You see, they are taught that George Wallace was a southern Republican because they are taught that the party switched and the parties never switched.
It's one of the biggest lies taught to our children.
So how would they know any different?
You see, the America that I advocate for is actually quite simple.
It's actually the America that I grew up in listening to AM 560 The Answer at Wheeling High School, which is one that, despite our skin differences or cultural differences, the thing that matters most is how you act and your character and what you do, not the melanin content in your skin.
We were actually taught in high school that if you care about people's skin color, you are the racist.
But you see, that's far too unifying for the Democrats and for liberals.
Things were going too well.
People were getting along.
We were a decent country.
Therefore, people that are pathologically focused on pitting one against each other on race, class, or gender, they tried the class war, Occupy Wall Street failed.
They tried the gender war.
Me too failed.
So then they go at something so fundamental and something so incredibly divisive and dangerous, something that we have overcome, which is divide people based on how you look.
What a lazy, sloppy and quite honestly dangerous way to govern a society.
Say that you look a certain way, therefore you must act a certain way.
Say that you look a certain way, then I'm going to put you in this group.
We must abolish whiteness is what Coca-Cola tells us.
And that's in the curriculum of our schools.
Critical race theory should be renamed as critical racist theory.
The Federalist has a stunning story about Illinois education.
Illinois teachers have been shamed for the color of their skin in taxpayer-sponsored anti-racist training.
You see, this is what happens when parents don't run for school boards and they hope for things to get better.
Hope is not a strategy.
And I could tell you, growing up in the suburbs of Chicago, there were a lot of good parents in my area that they did not get involved in local school boards.
So now in Naperville, District 203, a neighborhood I know very well, some of my family is from that area, taxpayer-funded Community School District 203 hosted a systemic racist training for faculty bringing in anti-racist coach Dina Simmons.
Now, Dina Simmons basically is as racist or more racist than David Duke.
All she cares about is people's skin color.
That is the extent of her commentary.
She's given a lot of TED Talks on institutional racism.
She is like Nicole Hanna-Jones style.
Robin DiAngelo.
So part of the curriculum that your teachers in Illinois are being taught, and this is happening all across the country, and we've been on top of the Illinois School Board of Education curriculum.
We've been on top of what's happening in Arizona, where in Arizona they are now teaching your children are racist, your babies are racist, and critical race theory is all over Arizona.
And the Republican governor of Arizona has yet to do anything about this from everything I've seen, read, and heard.
So a whistleblower at Naperville Central, which by the way, just so everyone is clear, Naperville is one of the highest income areas in all of Chicago and a predominantly white area, overwhelmingly white area.
And so now, because of white guilt, which is throughout our entire system, they now have the David Duke of critical race theory, Dina Simmons, come in.
All she cares about is skin color, where the Countrywide Equity Institute, I'd love to find out who funds them, comes into Naperville School District 203.
The streets that I grew up walking on with my family, I know this area so well, decent people are now being told that they're institutionally racist.
There is a chart that was showed that had the overt white supremacy and covert white supremacy.
The covert white supremacy is teaching these teachers that the celebration of Columbus Day is white supremacy.
Telling any sort of joke about anyone that involves a black person is white supremacy.
The quote, and I tell you right now, the quote that says, quote, but we're just one human family is a statement of white supremacy.
Denial of white privilege is white supremacy.
White privilege doesn't exist.
It's a racist, bigoted lie.
Make America great again is white supremacy.
This is what is being taught to your teachers in Naperville School District 203.
And I'm going to say something out of frustration, but I believe it.
Quite honestly, the parents in Naperville deserve this.
They haven't gotten involved in local politics.
They haven't.
I know a lot of people in the DuPage Republican Party, and they have had a lack of activism and a lack of engagement.
So now they are seeing the fruit of what disengagement gives you.
And I know some really good people in Naperville that have been activists.
And I'm not going to say their name on air, but they're phenomenal.
And I'm going to text them this right afterwards.
This is in schools all across the country.
The Federalist continues by having a picture.
It says, leading for racial equity.
Coca-Cola has the same sort of anti-racist training.
This is everywhere.
And this seminar has now gone on with great approval of the school board, teaching people that if you have white skin color, there's something wrong with you.
And that a basic phrase, this is what your children are learning.
We are one human family is a racist statement.
They believe that people's skin color matters.
That's what the KKK believed.
That's what slave owners believed.
That's what the Nationalist Socialist Workers' Party in Germany believes.
We don't.
They're on the wrong side of history, and they are the racists teaching your children.
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One of the things that I've learned over the last couple of years visiting campuses with Turning Point USA.
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One of the things that I've learned by visiting college campuses the last couple years and learning how the left views the world, because remember, whatever happens on college campuses will soon happen in the halls of Congress and then in corporate boardrooms.
If you understand the campuses, you understand the ethos of the left, the spirit of the left.
You understand how they operate.
You understand what drives them and motivates them, which is why we're able to predict what they do so effectively and so accurately, because I've been dealing with these campus leftists for quite some time.
The college campuses are the training grounds, the deployment centers for campus leftists, all leftists, not just campus leftists.
So one of the things I learned, which was stunning to me, because this is not taught, but if everyone who is listening to this, if you just remember one thing I say today, it's this one thing, which is that not even liberals, Democrats and leftists do not view you based on their identity group if you are not a leftist.
So the left loves identity politics.
I believe identity politics will be the death of America, judging people based on race and gender and maybe class, but most specifically race and gender.
I think it's reprehensible.
I believe we are all human beings.
And in Chicago, teachers at Naperville School District 203 are taught that if you categorize people based on being a human being, just saying we're all human beings, that is you being a white supremacist.
That is in the curriculum in Naperville District School District 203.
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However, Democrats and leftists do not believe You are gay if you're a conservative.
Democrats do not believe that you are black if you are a conservative.
So, for example, Candace Owens and Dave Rubin are not black and they are not gay because they are conservatives.
So, the identity politics that they truly believe is first and foremost a leftist identity politics.
That we only care about the color of your skin or your sexual preferences if it fits our political narrative.
This is exactly why Democrats do not consider Ben Carson to be black.
They didn't consider Herman Kaine to be black.
They don't consider Byron Donalds from Florida to be black.
And Joy Reed, who is a bitter racist.
And Joy Reed used to be somewhat interesting on television, but she has become a big disappointment.
Cut 21.
The fact that you see a black man as a prop, Joy Reed, says a lot more about you than it does about Tim Scott.
I see a United States senator, and if you really were interested in unity or fair treatment or respect and civil discourse, that's what you would see too.
So I guess that's Trey Gowdy, not Joy Reed, just based on the Southern drawl.
I'm not really sure what Joy Reed said, so we're going to need to clarify that.
So let's go to cut 22 of Tim Scott responding to Joy Reed.
I could just guess what Joy Reed said.
She probably said that Tim Scott was being used as a prop and that he wasn't really a black person.
Cut 22.
Well, thank you, Trey.
Let me just say this on what you just said: woke supremacy is as bad as white supremacy.
We need to take that seriously.
And to all those folks who oppose good common sense, Matthew 5:44 is still available to be read and read.
Senator Tim Scott, I applaud you.
I think at times you do a little bit too much to pander to the Republican establishment, but that statement right there took moral courage.
And I want to congratulate you for that and say we stand with you 100% because to say that woke supremacy is as big of a dangerous as white supremacy is 100% true and will drive the leftists nuts.
They believe that white supremacy is everywhere.
It's in the sky.
It's in the rivers.
It's in the water.
It's in the air.
White supremacy is who we are.
It's in the DNA.
And only a racist revolution can change that.
Tim Scott grew up in North Charleston.
He's lived the American dream.
He is a black senator from a state that the liberals call racist.
If South Carolina was so racist, why did they elect a black senator?
Senator Tim Scott has lived a remarkable life.
And he advocates for the correct policies to allow more people to live remarkable lives.
Again, at times, Tim Scott is a little bit too much in the Republican establishment for my own liking, but this is courageous.
Saying that woke supremacy and white supremacy are equal dangers.
In fact, I would say woke supremacy is a greater danger, but even putting them on the same playing field is exactly right.
Now, what is woke supremacy?
Woke supremacy is what has infiltrated Coca-Cola.
It's what's infiltrated the Illinois State Board of Education.
It's what has infiltrated the Arizona Department of Education.
That whiteness must be stopped, that all white people act a certain way, that our entire culture is a symptom of white supremacy.
And again, I'm not really sure what Joy Reed said, but I'm guessing she said that Tim Scott was being used as a prop.
This goes to a broader theme that we have been building out, that the Democrats are so focused on skin color as a distraction because if they actually had to have a robust conversation on policy, they would lose.
They would lose not just elections, but they would lose the support of the American people.
So therefore, the Democrats are trying to build a woke supremacist coalition, great term, Senator Tim Scott, to build together different factions and forces that will force you into submission if you are a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male, of which I am infinitely guilty of that.
It's how I was born.
I will not apologize for that.
No one should apologize unless you yourself have done something wrong.
Do not apologize for something your ancestors did or did not do.
There is no such thing as multi-generational privilege.
It does not exist.
Every single person is responsible for their own actions, and I can prove it.
Prove it through the saga of all the royals.
Megan Markle and Prince Harry are miserable despite being born with all the trappings of privilege and all the infinite fame and dollars that Harry had and Megan was born into.
And then what does she do?
She attacks it endlessly.
Every individual is responsible for their own actions.
Do circumstances play a role?
Of course they play a role.
Two-parent privilege is the true privilege in this country.
But you go back to Aristotelian logic.
The thing that is most important is your agency, your decisions, your consciousness, who you are.
Stop blaming other people for your problems.
I don't always do this, but I think it would actually be very helpful and fun.
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And so this guy here who says his name or her name is Second Variety, it's written like an angry man would.
And it says kirky fundamentalism.
It's actually, you got to give him some credit.
Pundamentalism.
It's not bad.
So here's his critique of our program.
Kirk gives his myopic take on certain philosophers that lived in the realm of bygone days who knew nothing of gene editing, quantum physics, or even the importance of hand washing.
But spins his personal opinions by trying to convince listeners on how they have remained the same by outdated philosophical and biblical mind frames which use simplistic good and evil as argument.
Okay, so let's just take this one at a time.
The importance of hand washing.
This guy who wrote this review, and this is just a very typical example of the pride and the hubris of the left.
This guy doesn't know the Bible.
Does he know that the Bible literally popularized and spread the idea of hand washing?
Hand washing comes from the Bible.
There are dozens of verses in the Bible that talk about the need of hand washing.
In fact, even so much, if you go into a true kosher restaurant, they have hand washing stations because the Jews, the Israelites, the Hebrews, God's chosen people, understood germ theory before it was articulated in scientific journals.
For example, Isaiah 1:16 through 20.
So wash your hands and make yourselves clean.
That's pretty clear.
There are dozens of verses that talk about the need to wash your hands all throughout Leviticus.
And again, this guy has no wisdom, but he thinks he has discovered something new because he thinks that Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, the people that lived amongst that time, did not even understand the importance of hand washing when actually it's one of the greatest cell phones in the critiques of public media, where it's actually the exact opposite.
But people that I talk about that were around 2,400 years ago, they didn't just understand the importance of hand washing, they made it a law.
The Jewish people made it a law that you must wash your hands.
He continues, he says again, how things have remained the same by outdated philosophical and biblical mind frames which use simplistic good and evil as an argument.
You see, this is a logical fallacy in this man, or I think it's a man, it's just written in a certain diction.
Outdated.
What's outdated about the Bible?
You mean it's old?
You see, that's a logical fallacy.
Old and outdated are not the same thing.
Outdated would mean as if the times have moved past the truths of the text.
That's not true.
I could name plenty of texts that are outdated.
For example, Darwinian justifications of eugenics and slavery.
That is outdated.
The Bible has no such text as that.
The man continues: brain science has come a long way in a short time to help us understand why we behave the way we do, really.
Okay.
The prefrontal cortex, which helps put the brakes on impulsiveness, isn't fully developed until our 20s.
That is true.
The Bible addresses that, by the way.
It's exactly why it says, teach a child in your way so that they may go straight.
And I'm paraphrasing.
The idea of childhood development was incredibly important in the Bible.
That's why we often do dumb things as young adults.
I wonder if the Bible ever addresses doing young things, dumb things as adults.
For do not follow your heart, of which you will go the way of a fool.
This sounds like someone who's never read Proverbs.
This continues.
Actually, I think it's important to go through this because this is written like a professor.
Charlie tries to convince listeners how things have remained the same, which they have, by outdated philosophical and biblical mind frames, which use simplistic and evil as an argument.
And says that people back in the biblical days did not understand the importance of hand washing, when in reality, it's the Bible which made it a law.
He continues by saying, Our philosophical, our physiological development, an outcome has no premise in good or evil, but is based on luck, lucky fetal development, lucky gene expressions, lucky parental guidance.
Well, at least he admits that parental guidance is important.
So there must be a good parental guidance and a bad parental guidance.
He says there's no such thing as good and evil.
Sounds like a Nietzscheite.
If you don't know who Frederick Nietzsche is, you've probably lived a good life.
Don't recommend reading him.
Lucky nurturing cultural experiences.
So what I always love about people that say everything is luck, which is exactly what the secular nihilists are all about, is that you must then admit that there's a good side of the coin.
Luck, the idea of luck is inherent that there is either heads or tails is better.
Or if you have a thing of dice, the point is that there's a hierarchy of what the output of luck can eventually get you to.
And I agree that there's luck.
There's a lot of luck in life.
Of course there is.
Religious people don't always agree at that.
You can call it a different thing.
You can call it God's intervention, God's grace, God's sovereignty.
The secular term is luck for it.
So I'll take him for his own word.
But the idea that you dismiss good and evil and embrace luck isn't by, it's on itself logically inconsistent.
So if I have a coin and I say heads means I'm going to live a certain way and tails means I'm going to live another way, and then I ask the critic of whom has left this review in our podcast feed, which one is good and which one is bad, or which one is better and which one is worse, even, they have to choose.
That's inherent in believing in luck.
And part of this is what he says: is lucky parental guidance.
Well, what is good parental guidance then?
Show me purely through science and through reason, purely.
No faith, no biblical text, no traditions, no cultural norms, no morals, just in a laboratory.
Go in a laboratory and tell me what good parenting is.
You can have as many scientists as you want.
Go into a laboratory for a decade and come out and tell me what you believe good parental guidance is.
You might get close on certain things.
And this is where Sam Harris, who wrote the moral landscape, I think that's the name of this book, read it a long time ago.
And Sam Harris has gone off the reservation lately.
He used to be so reasonable.
And for a man who says he believes in nothing but reason, he has been a big disappointment on speech, on censorship.
I call him the Pope of atheism because atheism is a religion.
And he's very articulate.
He's a very smart guy.
I will say Sam Harris has a much higher IQ than I do.
It's true.
He is a neuroscientist, but there is a God-sized gap, I believe, in Sam Harris's worldview.
Where Sam Harris believes that you can actually deduce morality from observing the natural world.
And he comes across the exact same struggle that Christopher Hitchens and Dawkins and many other of the four horsemen of the atheist movement came across, which is the is-ought problem.
I could tell you what is, but I can't tell you what ought to be by just viewing the natural world.
He tries to admit it in Sam Harris's defense.
He tries to overcome it in the book, and I don't think he does so successfully.
I think that it is inherent in the belief in atheism that they will never overcome the is-ought problem.
Their critique of us, religious folks, is that we can never overcome the is problem.
And Sam Harris is a very intelligent person, but he's lacking in wisdom, especially recently.
Now, a great question we should ask our children is, what is wisdom?
This is why studying Aristotle is so important, but this person who left this review says, ah, if it's old, it must be outdated.
You see, that which is old does not mean that it's outdated.
Maybe it is timeless.
You see, Aristotle famously said there are two types of knowledge.
Practical knowledge and eternal knowledge.
And eternal knowledge, he called wisdom.
Practical knowledge are things that are helpful, but they change.
For example, who's your U.S. senator?
It's practical.
That can change.
What's the capital of Ohio?
It's practical, but it can change.
But wisdom is the knowledge of things that never change.
And this is truly what this whole divide in America is about, is you have half the country that believes because time moves forward because we are in this long march of the institutions.
Human beings changed alongside of it.
Look, listen to this review that this guy left.
Quantum physics, gene editing.
And they didn't even know about hand washing in the Bible.
Not true.
But they actually knew a lot more about our earth than you might give them credit about.
Credit to.
So where do you find wisdom?
The number one answer from the secular lists, oh, we find wisdom through life experience.
That is partially true.
Or my favorite is, I find wisdom from my favorite television shows.
Where do you think a lot of those television shows are copying and borrowing from?
The eternal text of human behavior, which of course is the Bible, most specifically Proverbs, and the actual title of the book of Proverbs, and we'll have our production team look it up, I believe, is the Solomon Book of Wisdom, otherwise known as Proverbs.
You can find the law, it has a longer title than we have.
We just call it the book of Proverbs, but I believe wisdom is in the title.
You see, but the secularists of which this critique thrown at me is given, and you guys can read it for yourself on the Charlie Kirk Show podcast page, and I encourage you guys to do that.
And while you're at it, hit us subscribe and give us a review if you think it's helpful, is that so much time has passed since Aristotle and Abraham.
So much time has passed since Plato and Jesus were so much smarter than them.
Now, you might know a little bit more about how the natural world operates, but the natural world operates exactly the same.
The laws of nature go unchanged regardless of how powerful your telescope is or your microscope.
The laws of nature are the same today as they were when Aristotle walked the earth.
And so it's very interesting.
I was looking for this verse and I finally found it.
This is an example of how the tech giants want to secularize our country.
If you type into Google spherical earth verse, the first 15 results are all about how the book of the Bible is a book of a flat earth book.
It's true.
That's what they write.
So, and it's from Brown University, it's from all these different schools where they're teaching the students that the Bible argued for a flat earth or it articulated a flat earth.
Do you know that that's not only true?
The opposite is true.
Isaiah 40, 22, and I quote: It is he, God, who sits above the circle of the earth.
Now, this is well before the first known theory of a spherical earth was introduced from the Platonic Academy by a man by the name of Eratosthenes or Erostathenes.
I have to ask Victor Davis Hansen how to pronounce that correctly.
How would God's chosen people, the Israelites, know that the earth is spherical?
Maybe because the text was divinely inspired.
There is not one scientific truth in the Bible that has ever been disproven.
The critique that this man would give that he gave on our podcast is, what about the supernatural intervention?
And the answer, those of us that believe in faith, would answer is saying that is God temporarily suspending the laws of nature for his own intervention.
That does not disprove it did not happen.
But let me give you some examples.
Also, it says in Job 26, 10 that God has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters at the boundary of light and darkness, a circle, not a flat earth.
The Bible knew the earth was a spherical object exists, obviously a very large object.
Do you know the Bible also says that the air has weight, which we know it to be true?
Job 28:25 imparted weight to the wind and meeted out of the waters by measure.
Galileo was the first person to theorize this, I believe, nearly 1,400 to 2,000 years later.
How about Jonah 2.6, a book of the Bible that is commonly mocked by Bill Maher and the atheists?
Who could believe that someone got swallowed by a whale?
Now, leaving aside the robust debate that happens between whether or not that is an allegory or a literal narrative, of which I believe it is a literal narrative, what does it say in Jonah 2.6, quote, I went down to the bottoms of the mountains.
The earth with her bars was about me forever.
What is that saying that there are mountains under the sea, of which we know to be true?
How on earth would someone 2,000 years ago know that there were mountains below the sea?
It's a pretty big guess to be right about, to write into a biblical text, maybe because it was divinely inspired.
There is a practice that was commonly done by the name of blood letting.
Bloodletting was done by every single mainstream culture, but Jewish people never did it.
Or at least it was never endorsed.
Leviticus 17, 11, the life of the flesh is in the blood.
There's more wisdom out there than your professors might tell you.
He continues by saying, Charlie Kirk seems unlucky in certain brain developmental aspects.
He might be true, but I work harder than you.
By not exhibiting a sound analytical approach, but instead choosing to focus, give blame to a political party for conditions caused solely by a viral pandemic.
You see, this is how I know this guy has no wisdom.
Most of the suffering of the last year has nothing to do with the virus.
It's our reaction to the virus.
It's the lockdowns, the school closures, the business lockdowns.
He finishes by saying, This warped kind of Christian fundamentalism, I do have to say, that's actually very good.
Pundamentalism.
It's very clever.
That's very good.
It's clever.
Maybe Kem the ruination of society if it continues without impunity.
Who actually built the society that you think it's going to ruin?
I hear this thing all over again.
The Bible and Christians are going to ruin society.
Hold on a second.
What society are you talking about?
You're talking about secular Malibu?
Are you talking about the country that was founded on Christian biblical ideas?
I was interfaced.
The guy that found who founded Veggie Tales, what's his name?
Phil Visher or something?
He comes out, he has this whole thing about how terrible of a person I am.
I didn't even watch the video.
Someone sent it to us at freedom at charliekirk.com.
I said, get in line, man.
Phil Visher.
Yeah, I used to like this stuff.
Veggie Tales had so much, so much depth to it.
Yeah, he's become a very angry person.
He says that I'm a white nationalist, racist, all that nonsense.
And I would love to ask him, because he just, he's very focused on, in his own words, you know, he platformed Lecrae and all that stuff.
But his own words, he really seems like a critic against conservative nationalism or whatever it is.
And again, I don't like these terms or these labels.
And I just want to ask him and so many others: is there a difference between countries?
Do you think it's easier to spread the gospel in America or North Korea?
And if the answer is, oh, it's equally as easy, then the conversation is over and just go back to telling, have cucumbers tell us a story of Esther or whatever he's done, right?
Instead, any honest person would, of course, say, of course, there's a difference between North Korea and America.
Therefore, politics matter.
Therefore, the leaders matter.
Therefore, your decisions matter.
So if you care about the gospel and you care about spreading the good news, you should care about the country of which you live in, so that then you can practice your religion.
The freedom to which practice your religion is directly under attack.
It's under attack by one political party and it's being protected by another.
And the kind of indifference or apathy among so many Christians and the self-righteousness by these on-the-fence critics is exhausting to deal with.
And God bless people like Eric Metaxas and Rob McCoy and Steve Smotherman and Juergen and James Cadiz, Ken Graves.
There's so many great ones out there.
David Engelhardt that are unafraid to actually comment on these issues.
And so when I read this, they say, oh, you're going to ruin society.
What society are you exactly talking about?
These ideas built this society.
God-granted rights.
A vertical relationship made in the image of God.
Consciousness, expression, speech, assembly, private property rights, due process.
And if anyone who dares lay this accusation not know about William Blackstone or John Locke or Edmund Burke or what Thomas Jefferson actually believed and his legitimate beliefs against slavery, who he thought he thought slavery was a sin, was evil.
In fact, the first draft of the Declaration of Independence, in his handwriting, he harshly went after King George.
That was Thomas Jefferson's belief.
Thomas Jefferson argued for the abolition of slavery in the Virginia House of Commons.
The document that Thomas Jefferson did write and publish, the Declaration of Independence, resulted in the abolition of slavery in Vermont in 1777.
Thomas Jefferson signed a moratorium of importing slaves into America as soon as he took office.
But most colleges, teachers, and secular leaders won't tell you that.
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