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Feb. 16, 2021 - The Charlie Kirk Show

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The Last Thing the Left Doesn't Control — LIVE from Calvary Oro Valley

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	Hey everybody, this is my conversation that I had at Calvary Chapel Oro Valley.
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	Here we go.
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	I want to thank you guys.
	It's been a wild couple months, I think all of us would agree.
	And one of the reasons I wanted to come here, you know, Erica, my fiancé, was texting with the team here.
	And I've just, in the last year and a half, I've felt more and more called to speak at churches all across the country.
	I've had a unique opportunity to speak at over 50 churches from all across the country, from Maine to California to Texas to Arizona.
	I grew up in a Bible-believing church in the suburbs of Chicago.
	I'm an evangelical Christian.
	It's the most important thing in my life.
	But it's always been a frustration of mine being in the political space, looking into the Christian world, saying, why are churches not more involved in offering moral clarity to what's happening in our country?
	And I just wanted to say your church and your pastor is one of the few that's actually doing the right thing in that regard.
	And this church will be blessed because of that.
	And so I'm sure some people here today or some people watching the live stream are kind of quietly saying, you know what?
	I'm going to hear this guy out, but I don't like the political thing.
	I just want to get away from politics.
	Well, let's just start very plainly and simply.
	Some people say, I don't want the church to get involved in politics.
	I don't think the church should ever do that.
	I just want to talk about the gospel.
	You've heard this before, some pastors say that.
	Well, look, I will make the argument, just to start here, that we as Christians are called to get into all spheres of influence, including the political space.
	And our values, the values of the gospel, looking at looking after the people that can't defend themselves, looking after people that do not have the same rights and privileges we have.
	What better space to contend for that than in the political space?
	Let's even take a broader picture, though.
	How are we supposed to make sense of people like Esther and Daniel and Mordecai and Joseph and Nehemiah and Jeremiah, people that we look to in the Old Testament as biblical heroes that got involved in secular government for God's chosen purpose?
	In order to say that the church shouldn't get involved in politics, you'd have to ignore huge parts of the Bible.
	The entire country we live in was founded on biblical principles.
	You see, you know how I knew the founding fathers were awesome and they were awesome in so many different ways.
	They chose to use a verse from Leviticus on the Liberty Bell.
	Like, who does that?
	Leviticus.
	And it's actually one of the reasons my fiancé has an amazing clothing line.
	You guys should check it out, all made in America.
	I'm sporting it today, Proclaim, Proclaim Ministries.
	But the verse on the Liberty Bell is, and I'm paraphrasing, you will proclaim liberty throughout the land.
	The founding fathers understood this, and they understood that the idea of three branches of government comes from the Torah, comes from the Old Testament.
	The idea of private property, where you own something because you worked hard and you should keep it, comes from Abraham.
	When Abraham went down to Hebron, he didn't go say, This is mine, I want it.
	He said, No, he purchased it.
	The idea of commerce and trade, a man's wage is worth the work he puts in from Proverbs.
	All these ideas that we take for granted in Western society, it stems from a singular source.
	And also, Jesus Christ himself said we should get involved in politics.
	That's right.
	The opposite will be told in most churches across the country.
	Most people say, you know, there's a pastor from California who was very influential growing up, and I've been so saddened seeing his fall in the last couple of years because he says, you know what?
	God doesn't care how you vote.
	That's what he said.
	I thought about that.
	I said, well, first of all, the theology I have is God cares about everything you do.
	Everything.
	He cares about what you eat.
	He cares about how you interact.
	This idea that God kind of gives you a permission slope for any course of action is bizarre to me.
	But what he's really saying is your vote is really not a reflection of your values.
	Basically, he's arguing that voting is no different than just choosing Chili's or Outback or Olive Garden or Red Robin, right?
	It's like not that big of a deal.
	That's the argument this guy's making.
	And it's Rick Warren, and I've emailed him back and forth, and he's just been such a disappointment.
	I only mention his name because he has a big platform and he can handle it.
	And no, I mean that.
	I lovingly say that.
	And I think he's done some wonderful work for the kingdom, but he's really misleading people right now.
	And he said, God doesn't care how you vote.
	And I say, wait a second.
	You're trying to tell me God is apathetic when it comes to abortion?
	Like, that's what we're supposed to believe?
	That God just doesn't really care about whether or not we build a society to defend those that can't defend themselves?
	That that's something that we're supposed to believe that God cares about how you marry, who you marry.
	God cares about whether or not you tell the truth.
	God cares about how you manage your finances.
	God cares about whether you tell the truth.
	But when you go in the voting booth, we're supposed to believe that all the laws of the Bible, all that is not really applicable.
	But even deeper than that, one of the most quoted verses that all of you know is when Jesus went up to Caesarea, Philippi, and he told his disciples, he said, on this rock, build my.
	And we say church, right?
	Well, the word in Koine Greek is ekklesia.
	So he said, on this rock, build my ecclesia.
	What is an ecclesia?
	Now, the filler word is church.
	Well, William Tyndale, who was the original translator of the Bible, he was the guy that gave us the Bible that we have today.
	He went back into the Koine Greek and he discovered, because in Latin, it was a little bit, it was a little bit ambiguous.
	It wasn't clear that ecclesia was a secular Greek term.
	It's what we're doing right now.
	Ecclesia was a government political meeting.
	So think about it.
	In the original Koine Greek, it wasn't, on this rock, build my synagogue.
	It wasn't on this rock, build my temple.
	Now, why would that be?
	Because I always love looking at the scriptures, and I love saying, why does it say this and not say something else?
	It's a very fulfilling way to read the text.
	And I'll get into some examples of that and how they apply today, which I think is really interesting.
	Maybe because Jesus wanted comprehensive Christianity, not compartmentalized Christianity.
	Maybe Jesus was saying, you know what?
	Take this light to every sphere of influence.
	I'll be very honest with you guys.
	My life would be easier if I avoided politics.
	I completely admit that.
	The reason why pastors don't do it is because you want to talk about the most brutal, emotional, friendship-crushing division?
	It's politics, not religion.
	Religion does not crush friendships anymore.
	Politics does.
	That's why pastors avoid it.
	They avoid it because they think they're going to lose tithes and offerings, which is not true.
	But who cares if you do?
	All of a sudden, you're some sort of business model as if you have to have a certain occupancy rate, like you're running a bed and breakfast.
	You speak the truth.
	God will take care of the rest.
	It's not that hard.
	It's as if...
	And so I get the idea that the church should be a place that is a refuge for all people.
	I completely understand that.
	I understand that some people think politics in general is nothing but division and people pitted against each other.
	I understand that.
	The church is all supposed to be a place of truth.
	And if we as Christians make the decision, which we have in America, by the way, majority of Christians do not take stances on moral issues.
	Can I speak plainly to you guys?
	Our offices are here in Phoenix, Arizona, spending a lot of time here in Arizona.
	Arizona elected two Democrat senators because the church was silent.
	That's why it happened.
	And it was on the margins.
	If pastors in this state went to their congregation and was okay with getting a couple angry emails but stood on what the word of God says, there would be two Republican senators and the state wouldn't have voted for Joe Biden.
	Now, I'm not saying Republicans are anointed by God.
	I'm not saying that.
	What I am saying, though, is an agenda that wants to destroy the rule of law, get rid of the police, tolerate post-term abortions, attack religious liberty, smear innocent men like Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
	That is not even close to what the scriptures are talking about.
	And some people say, well, it's the lesser of two evils.
	Of course it is.
	Look, what kind of conversation?
	Everything is the lesser of two evils.
	We're all fallen.
	We're all broken.
	Of course it is.
	The question is, what agenda, what set of policies is closer to biblical truth?
	How about this?
	Joe Biden, a couple days into his presidency, signs an executive order saying that men who think they are women should be able to compete in women's sports.
	No one who reads like the first six verses of the Bible can say that that is within biblical truth.
	It's that simple.
	Maybe the first 14 verses of the Bible.
	It's not that hard.
	God created man and God created woman.
	Well, that's not that hard.
	But you know what the real problem is?
	Is that too many pastors are starting to say, you know, the Bible is like a self-improvement book.
	It's not the word of God.
	It's kind of like a thing where you can, it's an allegory, right?
	It's kind of, it's not true, but it has some truths in it.
	And so as the church has stopped going verse by verse and chapter by chapter of the word of God, then all of a sudden, you start getting stuff of, well, maybe God is a gender-neutral God.
	Maybe men and women is actually just a fallow logo-centric power structure that was formed.
	You get into chaos very quickly.
	And so the reason why I'm here today and the reason I'm going to speak at every single church that will have me, and not every church will, by the way.
	So you guys deserve great credit for that, by the way.
	Is I believe, and let's just be very honest.
	The tech companies are lost.
	The colleges are lost.
	Our high schools are lost.
	Almost all local government is lost.
	We have two Democrat senators here.
	Every institution in the country is basically controlled by secular, nihilistic leftists.
	There's only one place left in this country, and that's the church.
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	The church is now going to be tested like never before.
	Now be very clear.
	Now, let me be very clear.
	The Democrats and the left, they do not want to get rid of the church immediately.
	They want to get rid of the churches they don't like.
	They want to get rid of the disagreeable church.
	Even Stalin allowed a national church to exist.
	Even Stalin allowed certain people in the Christian tradition, as long as they never gave a sermon or they never gave any teaching that went against Stalinism, that went against the Soviet Union.
	Because he knew that if he obliterated it quickly, people would retaliate.
	And so now we are going to see one of the most anti-nature, anti-laws of nature agenda ever implemented.
	You get the government that you deserve.
	We'll get into a lot of that other stuff that contributed to it.
	But that's the way it is.
	And so the question is: what will the church do?
	I know what this specific church will do, but the better question is: what will the people that go to church do?
	So for some of you here, this is not your home church, right?
	Some of you guys have other churches.
	If your pastor is not fully open, if your pastor is not telling you at least once a month what it means to be an involved citizen of this country, you got to start putting the pressure on.
	You got to start writing emails and say, Dear Pastor Smith, this church right here is wide open, no social distancing, no mass.
	They trust their congregation to be able to make the right decisions.
	Liberty, it's such an amazing thing.
	If you feel unsafe to come here, then watch on the live stream, but then don't prevent other people from coming here.
	Such a bizarre thing.
	And so, but that's what you have to do now.
	You write your pastor tonight lovingly and you say, hey, I went to this.
	I've gone to your church for a decade.
	You've helped me with my marriage.
	You've helped me at this.
	You help me with that.
	But why is it you're not speaking out against abortion, speaking out against the transgender executive order?
	Why don't you give out voting guides?
	Why don't you register your...
	And they say, well, we don't do politics in this church.
	And what they're saying is, oh, so you don't fight for what's right when it's really hard.
	See, it's easy in the church to say, you know what?
	We have, you know, child sex trafficking, recovering ministries.
	Those things are agreeable, right?
	What's difficult is saying, well, maybe we should have a government that actually wants to contest for those things.
	And so the guide should always be the word of God.
	Always.
	And we've gotten away from that so much in our country.
	I'll give you a great example of this.
	So we have statues being taken down all across the country.
	They're renaming schools in San Francisco.
	And one of my favorite is they're renaming a school in San Francisco, the Abraham Lincoln School, right?
	Because they're saying he did not adequately fight for black lives.
	One of the most absurd things, right?
	And this is what your children are learning in school, by the way.
	But let's go back to the Bible as a reference guide for this.
	There's a wonderful verse.
	It's one of the first couple chapters of the Bible where it says, Noah was a righteous man amongst his generation.
	And so you should take a pause and it says, wait a second, why doesn't it just say that Noah was a righteous man?
	Maybe because if you compared Noah with Elijah, he wouldn't be that righteous.
	The Bible tells us you always judge people based on the time that they're in.
	Maybe 100 years from now, people will say, huh, they still had abortion back then?
	They were all terrible.
	The point is this.
	Abraham Lincoln, first of all, was a hero, one of America's greatest presidents.
	But you judge him on the time that he was in.
	Abraham Lincoln was a righteous man amongst his generation.
	Thomas Jefferson was a righteous man amongst his generation.
	Yes, Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.
	But Thomas Jefferson also wrote in the original draft of the Declaration, condemning slavery to the King of England.
	Go figure that one out.
	It's as if we human beings know nothing about sinful contradiction, right?
	As if we say one thing and do another.
	The moral righteousness that has seeped into the left-wing decision makers in our country.
	This, anyone who came before me is a bigot, and there is no wisdom that predated me.
	It's one of the most dangerous things that's happening in our country.
	And so they're doing this through renaming, and they're doing this through canceling, and they're doing this through all these sorts of things.
	And what's so amazing to me is how many Christians remain completely silent on this.
	And I'm going to be very honest.
	This is a Calvary Chapel.
	Oh, by the way, I have to get into the Calvary thing.
	This is so funny.
	So I don't know if you guys saw this or not this week.
	It was phenomenal.
	It's one of the greatest moments ever, and none of the media is covering it.
	And this was a great opportunity for pastors to rise up and just talk about how incredibly dishonest and illiterate and how low quality our political elite is.
	You probably didn't even hear about this.
	It's wonderful.
	So you had Eric Swale.
	You probably might not heard this.
	Eric Swalwell comes up, wonderful guy, right?
	So he's got a lot of stuff going on.
	Anyway, yeah, you guys can figure that one out.
	He never should have been a House impeachment manager.
	So he comes up to try and attack former President Trump.
	And he comes up and he says, look at this tweet by Jennifer Lynn Lawrence.
	Not that Jennifer Lawrence, different Jennifer Lawrence.
	And he says, she tweeted out that the Calvary are coming, right?
	And so all the people gasp and the CNN commentators say, that's terrible.
	They're bringing in the infantry, the militia, and all this stuff.
	So for those of us that have actually existed outside of San Jose and Menlo Park and have been to a church or read the scriptures, know that there's a difference between Calvary and Calvary, right?
	So on the House floor, he is going after former President Trump, making this elaborate case about how she was signaling about bringing militia men.
	She brought a prayer vigil to Washington, D.C. Calvary is what she tweeted.
	But to him, he knows no difference.
	Now, I want you to understand, this is not just him, right?
	He's worthy of criticism because he's, you know.
	Anyway, the point is it's not about him.
	The point is that the dozens of people that reviewed these briefs before they went public, no one noticed it.
	Not one expert thought to say, wait a second, why is it spelled C-A-L, not C-A-V?
	They thought, oh, she's such an idiot that she doesn't even know how to spell it.
	No, no, no.
	She spelled it perfectly.
	And so, anyway, Calvary's been in the news lately, and I just think it's a perfect moment to notice.
	So all of you here, according to the Democrats, are actually some form of a paramilitary group or something going on here.
	Calvary Chapel, not Calvary Chapel.
	Okay, anyway.
	I don't know how I got onto that, but so the trend of the country that I think that is most important for us to recognize and realize is if we take a step back, one of the biggest lies taught to our kids is that America was founded on just secularism.
	This is in our public schools.
	I'm sure a lot of you guys hear it.
	And you cannot get to the founding of our country, about the Black Robe Regiment, about William Blackstone, without Whitfield, about Jonathan Edwards, about activist preachers and pastors.
	It's impossible.
	America was the great leap forward.
	America changed the world.
	Our founding was absolutely incredible.
	Our founding fathers are mischaracterized as being bitter, slave-owning bigots, and that is a complete misrepresentation of their life and their brilliance and their genius.
	Remember, you must always judge people of the time that they are in, right?
	Noah was a righteous man amongst his generation.
	I'm sure that if we just said, if all of a sudden we dissected Noah's behavior, all of a sudden, is he really worth looking at?
	Well, there was a lot of other stuff even worse happening around him, so he was after God's favor.
	Thomas Jefferson, for example, owned slaves, released them upon his deathbed.
	As I mentioned, he repudiated slavery in the first draft of the Declaration.
	They got rid of it for some compromise.
	But even beyond that, Thomas Jefferson, being the third American president, at the first moment he had an opportunity to do so, signed an executive order as president saying no new slaves allowed into the United States.
	Thomas Jefferson contested in the Virginia House of Commons to abolish slavery.
	He was unsuccessful.
	So that kind of nuance is pretty important, isn't it?
	This is a guy that was actually wrestling with a couple thousand-year-old sin.
	America didn't found slavery.
	America didn't master it or create it.
	They were born into this evil, awful tradition, which, by the way, was in the Bible as well.
	And by the way, there's more slaves on the planet today than there were back then.
	So before we get on our moral high horse doctors of we've abolished every single square inch of this earth, that is not true.
	Go throughout Africa, you go throughout the Asian world, slavery is still alive and well today.
	And a soft form of slavery exists in this country and sex trafficking and child sex trafficking.
	And so, but why would Thomas Jefferson be someone important to study?
	And why are they trying to get rid of it?
	Get rid of him.
	If you study Thomas Jefferson, you study George Washington, you study James Madison, you study John Adams, every single one of them believed that there was no document, no text even close to the Bible.
	And you understand that their plan is they know if they can remove God from the equation, then they're able to get whatever power they desire.
	It's really interesting.
	I visit college campuses.
	I know that a lot of you guys come in contact with the University of Arizona around here.
	Sorry about that.
	Do we have any people around here?
	Yeah.
	So very, very liberal.
	I think Noam Chomsky still literally teaches there.
	Is that right?
	Noam Chomsky.
	I don't know if you guys know who that is.
	So one of the reasons why universities have become these hotbeds of indoctrination and quite honestly places where they are teaching things so destructive and so corrosive, it's an Old Testament verse.
	Without the fear of God, there is no wisdom.
	There's no God at these universities, so there's no wisdom.
	So they're teaching kids that men and women are exactly the same.
	They teach things that men can become pregnant and menstruate.
	It's just, this is what your children are being taught.
	And then we wonder by the time they turn 25 why they're so confused and why they're so miserable.
	Like, I wonder why the next generation can't find direction.
	Well, they can't find direction because you sowed chaos intentionally into their life.
	It's very interesting.
	An attribute of the left is pride and is this belief that if you just give us enough power, we can sort this whole thing out.
	They are totalitarian in nature.
	They demand power because in some ways they see themselves as wanting to become God or the ruler over other people.
	And so if you do not have a vertical relationship in your life like we do, then all of a sudden it becomes very tempting to want to do that, right?
	Like let's get rid of all these other people's ability to congregate and to speak and to be able to speak freely.
	That's exactly right.
	Because that's a threat to us.
	And so there's only two ways to govern people.
	One way to govern people is through force.
	We know how that works.
	The other way is through speech, dialogue, persuasion.
	That's the Christian ethic.
	How did Jesus spread truth?
	Did he go raise an army?
	Did he go conquer lands?
	He's the most influential person in the history of the planet, regardless if you believe he's the son of God or not.
	I do.
	And he did that not through what Muhammad did, which is years of conquest, but instead through speech.
	Instead, through truth.
	It's through speaking.
	Ex nihilo, speaking out of existence, right?
	What does it say in Genesis 1?
	God spoke it into existence, right?
	God spoke it into existence.
	So when we speak, we are embodying how truth itself came to this world.
	That's why they want to get rid of speech so bad.
	That's all of a sudden why they want to say, you can't say that on social media.
	You can't say that on a college campus.
	Because speaking is all that prevents us from tearing each other apart.
	We take this for granted because when you speak, something interesting happens.
	Nuance ends up happening.
	You're able to actually understand the humanity in somebody else.
	One of the lessons from Christ is he was never afraid to talk to anyone ever about anything.
	They thought they could trip him up.
	They thought they could put him in some sort of logical trap.
	He was always 10 steps ahead.
	Go figure.
	Right?
	And what's the lesson for us on that?
	It's that the Christ-like way is to never be afraid of a discussion or a dialogue.
	Who's afraid of discussion right now?
	The predominant power structures in our country.
	You can't talk on digital social media without getting kicked off anymore.
	Can't talk on a university campus.
	You can't even talk to a neighbor or a friend anymore, right?
	Without losing those friendships, without someone calling you an awful name.
	Why?
	It's because they know that as soon as that conversation happens, their narrative might disappear.
	Their narrative is very simple.
	Half the country are racist, white supremacist militia people, and they must be destroyed at all costs.
	It's that simple.
	When you start talking and you start having dialogue and conversation, a lot of that extremist belief actually just kind of fades away.
	That's why I'm a free speech absolutist.
	I believe no matter, unless you are actually inciting, not this ridiculous new threshold of inciting imminent harm, you should be allowed to say it regardless of how nasty or how awful it is.
	Now, it's so interesting, and you guys remember this back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, is that liberals used to be on the side of that.
	They used to be the ones that say, you know what, we should be able to put a crucifix in a jar of urine, like awful things, right?
	No, this is it.
	Remember, those are the lawsuits they used to fight for because they're like, all speech is important.
	That was always a lie.
	They did that as a way to get into power.
	They never believed in freedom of speech.
	Now that when you want to become a Christian or you want to speak out for your Christian faith or conservative values, then they want to use the power they have to silence you.
	So there's a couple different ways I could take this, and I do want to take some questions.
	I don't want to, you know, meander.
	Okay, that's fine.
	So I could meander all day.
	Yeah, so thank you.
	So the interesting thing here is what we as believers have to do in this moment.
	So in James 1, it says basically you should rejoice in persecution, not because of the, not that, oh yes, I'm so happy I'm suffering, but rejoice that the persecution is a test of your faith and that will produce more faith.
	And so this is a moment for us, for the church, that we should be leaning into.
	And I'm seeing a lot of pastors, my pastor Rob McCoy, out in Calvary Chapel, Thousand Oaks, who's doing an amazing job of this.
	And let me prove to you how important politics is.
	If some of you are still on the fence, like, I don't know how important politics is.
	It's just kind of all the same.
	You know, everyone's the same.
	Let me prove it to you.
	What you're doing right now would result in millions of dollars of fines to a fellow Calvary Chapel pastor right now in San Jose.
	So Calvary Chapel, San Jose, Mike McClure, is facing $1.7 million in fines, the bank pulling his note, all because every single city council member around him, the governor, the supervisor of the county, believe that it should be illegal for the church to meet, but BLM incorporated abortion factories and cannabis dispensaries, all fine.
	Liquor shops, home improvement stores.
	So what has Mike McClure decided to do?
	Mike McClure, Calvary Chapel, San Jose, continues to meet.
	Continues to meet.
	Now, some people say he's in defiance to Romans 13, which says to submit to all rulers of authority.
	Hold on a second.
	Who's the sovereign in our country?
	We are.
	We don't have a King Nero or Julius Caesar.
	So as soon as our rights get violated, our natural rights, they're the ones that are violating Romans 13.
	We aren't.
	It's the supervisors, it's the local city council.
	But here's the difference that politics makes.
	If you are in San Jose versus Tucson, I know it might feel the same sometimes, but you guys in this state have still made better choices over the last couple decades, you'd have police officers for a different reason outside of the door.
	You know what the police officer would be here doing?
	They'd be taking your license plate numbers.
	You're like, oh, wow, that's terrible.
	Yeah.
	You know how many Calvary Chapels have stood up for Mike?
	Like 10?
	There's hundreds and hundreds of Calvary chapels.
	Most Christians don't care.
	They don't.
	Most Christians don't care that Mike McClure is being persecuted for millions of dollars for doing what you're doing right now.
	And so this is going to be a reckoning moment right now in American Christianity.
	And I think God is, he's calling our number.
	You know what that is?
	I have blessed you with budgets, baptisms, and buildings.
	You guys talk about how much you believe in faith and you're ready for the persecution.
	Let's see it.
	And guess what?
	We are miserably failing.
	Miserably.
	I tell you right now, there are more people that are secular that are standing up in defiance to tyrannical government than Christians.
	And I struggle with that.
	I really do.
	Because I say, aren't we as Christians supposed to be the ones that don't actually care if we get persecuted?
	We know how this story ends.
	And I think the reason is this: that there's this belief that we're supposed to be non-confrontational at all costs.
	That's number one.
	That's not biblical in any way, shape, or form.
	That doesn't mean you have to be a jerk.
	I try to embody that in my videos and what I do on college campuses.
	You could speak truth and be willing to endure whatever might happen to you because of that.
	But the second part is this, and I would offer some grace.
	I think a lot of Christians don't know how to engage in the political space.
	I think some Christians are intimidated by the political space.
	So here's something that I think every church in the country should do.
	And this church is already doing this.
	the podcasting, the events with Gruber and all this, is that the church needs to become the drumbeat of freedom in the country.
	It needs to be the place where it's all we have left, literally.
	And so we're seeing three different types of churches in the country right now.
	Number one is churches like this.
	And my encouragement to you guys is grow this.
	Make it a monthly meeting where you call it an ecclesia night, where you talk about the news of today and how it compares to the Bible.
	Oh, transgender, that one's not that hard.
	Right?
	You know, rule of law, that one's not, you know what I'm saying?
	You go through and you just say what's in the news and how does it compare to that.
	The second form of a church is the apathetic church, where they just don't care.
	Where they're saying, yeah, it's not up to us.
	It's up to us now to encourage those churches to lovingly look those pastors in the eye and to hopefully get them into an active posture.
	But the third type of church, I wish was apathetic.
	And this is a very important thing.
	You see, there are more politically left-wing churches than politically conservative churches in the country.
	And that might be stunning for you to hear.
	But I visited churches all across the country and I go from the Chattanooga to Bangor, Maine, to Wisconsin to Texas.
	And I say, what's happening politically in your churches?
	And they say, well, we're one of the few that are open and speaking against this, but 90% of all the churches in our area are teaching critical race theory, BLM Incorporated, LGBT nonsense.
	And I say, I totally believe you.
	So there's two viruses happening in the country right now.
	There's the Chinese coronavirus and there's the critical race theory virus.
	The critical race theory virus has infected the American church.
	The critical race theory virus is this, is that they believe firmly, it's a pathogen that started in the 1960s and 70s from a guy named Herbert Marcuse.
	All your kids are learning this, by the way, in elementary school, in high school, in college.
	And it is a racist idea.
	This has infected corporate America.
	This has infected our political dialogue, our churches, our seminaries.
	And it is a belief of a couple things.
	The first of which is that everything is actually racist.
	Everything.
	And this might be something you actually are starting to see them communicate to you.
	But that this whole country is a white supremacist project.
	The whole country.
	And there is no way to undo it unless there is massive revolutionary Marxist policies.
	This is being taught to kids that are four, five, six years old.
	Now, by the way, they don't ever teach the actual history of our country, that we're the ones that led the abolition movement against slavery, that we are the ones that led the liberation of people of all colors and men and women.
	That sort of history is never taught.
	Instead, the entire way they teach history is through an oppressor and oppressed lens.
	And it judges people based on skin color.
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	So I actually grew up in an America nine years ago.
	And this is what's so sick about this.
	It really is.
	And then I'm going to give some tough love to you guys.
	I'm going to kind of give it back.
	I'm going to first tell you what the problem is.
	I'm going to tell you kind of how we got there.
	It's so sick.
	When I grew up in America, I was taught by my teachers in a liberal high school that skin color doesn't matter.
	It was this amazing thing.
	I went to a majority Hispanic high school in the suburbs of Chicago.
	53% English as a second language.
	Spanish was the predominant language at my high school.
	And my teacher said, your skin color means nothing.
	That how you act means everything.
	Your character and your values matter.
	And guess what?
	We never had any racial problems in our school.
	We had blacks, we had Hispanics, we had Asians, we had people from all across the world.
	And we all got along.
	And there were some kids that, of course, said maybe jokes they shouldn't have said.
	You know how they wronged, you know, how they remedied that?
	They went to the person who looked them in the eyes and they apologized like what a 15-year-old would do.
	They didn't have white privilege, Robin DiAngelo, white fragility seminars.
	It worked.
	I could tell you it worked.
	So now, fast forward nine years later, for the first time in your life and my life, we are now making racial regression in our country.
	Where now that very same high school and what's happening in our country, we are now judging people based on skin color.
	Let me be very clear: your skin color means nothing to me.
	Nothing.
	Your melanin content is irrelevant.
	They don't believe that.
	They believe that if you are a melanin content like I am, that I have privilege that I don't even realize.
	I must apologize endlessly.
	I must participate in the redistribution and I must atone for that.
	This is so against the teaching of the Bible.
	In fact, it's antithetical to the Bible.
	It says clearly never slave nor Greek nor Jew were all free and the same in Christ Jesus.
	Now, why would they do this?
	Why?
	Because, for good reason, they're using the Christian ethic against us.
	Here's why.
	Because I grew up in America believing that being called a racist was the worst thing you could be called.
	And that's probably right.
	It really is.
	It's probably one of the worst things that you can be and be called.
	And so my whole life was believing that I don't want to be called the R-word.
	I'm sure a lot of you have felt this.
	At all costs, I don't want to be called the R-word.
	And so then they realized that there is a supply and demand problem for racism in our country.
	An incredible demand to find racist, but a very, very low supply.
	It's an inverted problem.
	Like, there must be racism everywhere.
	You can't find it that often because we're actually more decent than you might think.
	Look at this church.
	It's a multiracial church and people get along.
	It's amazing.
	They don't actually believe something like this can exist.
	And so then they said, and they, I mean, the left and the Democrats and the academics, realized that a way to get power is to use that fear of being called the R-word in a totalitarian way.
	At all costs, vote for us, give money to our corporations, put us in power, or else we're going to call you the R-word.
	And that's exactly where we are today.
	For good reason, you don't want to be called that word, but now it's baseless and it is without evidence just because of your existence.
	And it's an amazing thing.
	How do you prove a negative?
	I've had a kid at a college campus say, Charlie, prove to me you're not a racist.
	I see, what do I have to show every action I've ever done in the history of my life?
	It's this guilty until proven innocent thing.
	How can I prove that I'm not something?
	It's like, prove to me you're not, you know, a dinosaur.
	Like, I can't, right?
	It's metaphysically impossible.
	Instead, I always say, well, prove to me I am.
	And they say, no, your existence as a white Christian straight male means you are automatically a racist until you prove otherwise.
	And I say, okay, wait a second.
	So I'm a racist unless I vote Democrat.
	Let me just make sure I'm clear.
	That's the only way to cleanse yourself of the accusation.
	And it's true.
	That's how they get power.
	A lot of well-meaning people are now being bullied into behavior they don't believe because they don't want to be called the R-word.
	And now let me be very clear.
	There are racists in this country.
	I've dealt with them.
	Some of them have come to my events and I've confronted them in viral fashion, I might add.
	And I have humiliated some of them.
	They're very far and few between, let me tell you, because the same people kept on showing up at the same events.
	I'm not minimizing it.
	I'm not saying that we should validate it.
	I'm saying the opposite.
	I'm actually saying we're much more decent than we give ourselves credit for.
	And let's get to the other part of it, is the system.
	The broader indictment than they say is, okay, it's not about as much you because Charlie, I can't prove.
	It's the system you represent.
	It's free markets that are racist.
	It's conservative values that are racist.
	It's Christianity that's racist.
	It's the whole American way of life that is racist because it was founded by racists.
	We've already been through some of the incredibly important nuance when we talk about that.
	But then why is it when Martin Luther King did the Civil Rights Act speech, he said, I am here to cash in a promissory note from the Declaration of Independence.
	Martin Luther King didn't say, this declaration is a racist document.
	Let's shred it.
	He said, I want to fulfill the ideas.
	I'm here to cash in on it.
	He leaned on the founders.
	He didn't stray away from it.
	You look at just what's happening in our country right now.
	A young black kid who is born to a two-parent household is much more likely to succeed than a white child raised by a single mother.
	I think single mothers are modern-day heroes.
	But the biblical nuclear family is the greatest way to keep children out of poverty, period.
	Do you notice how we never talk about that anymore?
	Do you notice how all we talk about is invisible racism, as if we have to go look, we're ghostbusters, we have to find things that can't exist.
	Instead, there's something so obvious in front of us that 84% of black kids are being raised without fathers in the home.
	84%.
	Now, some people say, well, it's because of our racist white supremacist construct that that's the case.
	I'll give you 24% of that.
	Let me tell you why.
	When the Civil Rights Act was passed, black single motherhood was at 24%.
	Okay, I'll give you Jim Crow, segregation, poll tax, racism in the South that contributed 24% of black single motherhood.
	I will agree to that.
	Explain to me the rest of the 60% that as America got less racist, more black kids were raised without fathers.
	How did that happen?
	A couple reasons.
	We subsidized single motherhood through the Great Society Act.
	Number two, we glamorized and glorified a lifestyle that was, let's just say, promiscuous in nature of all races and cultures and creeds against the Bible.
	And number three is that we never focused on it from a public policy position as the greatest way to prevent poverty in our country.
	And so people, you could blame 24% of it for that.
	Here's another good question that should be asked.
	And I already said that a black child raised by a mother and a father, nuclear family, much higher likely to succeed than a white kid raised by a, if America was so unbelievably racist, which we're not, why is it that more black people have immigrated legally to this country since 1970 than ever came here as slaves?
	Maybe because they see that there might be some form of opportunity here.
	If America was so unbelievably racist, why is it that the blacks in our country are the 18th largest economy in the world?
	Regardless of skin color, if you make three or four very basic decisions, you can succeed.
	Now, I admit that there are problems to be able to get people to make these decisions.
	And I'll get into that in a second.
	But the decisions are this.
	Find a job, any job.
	Get married before you have kids.
	Don't commit heinous crimes, right?
	And graduate high school.
	That's about it.
	Those four things.
	Now, what allows those things to happen?
	Well, we know that when you have a mother and a father, they're an accountability measure and a disciplinary measure to make you do those things.
	And that's less likely in the current environment.
	So instead of saying we need a multi-trillion dollar reparation bill in our country, which by the way, it always, I never understand how the reparation argument can work.
	They say that voter ID is racist, yet they think that you can go back nine generations with paperwork and claim that you came from slaves.
	Like you can't show an ID to vote, but somehow you could show the paperwork to prove that you're ninth generation removed.
	Like, isn't that racist to ask for that kind of?
	What about the recent African immigrants?
	They now have to go pay reparations to the whole thing's, what if you're half black, half white, you pay yourself?
	Like, the whole thing is totally screwed up, right?
	So that's completely illogical.
	It is.
	It's not rational.
	Nothing the left talks about is rational.
	So instead of saying we have to redistribute $84 trillion, whatever, how about this?
	Let's get single motherhood from the black community from 84% to 50%.
	That would be an admirable moonshot goal, right?
	I'm telling you right now, crime, education rates, everything starts to autocorrect as soon as you bring fathers back into the home.
	And let me be clear.
	Part of this is on the fathers for being cowards, for abandoning the women that they were with.
	And they should be treated as such and confronted in their communities and saying, why are you walking away from a decision that you made?
	And you're leaving it to a woman that has to raise this child alone.
	And so the other part of this that I think is very interesting is the hyper-fixation on things you cannot change.
	The Bible tells us clearly that you should not focus on things that you cannot change.
	Your skin color, your parents, where you come from.
	Instead, it's who are you?
	And if we are now wanting to make a decision as a society that who you are is how you look like, that is such an unbelievable disservice to the America that I grew up in.
	And I'm 27 years old.
	So how did we get here?
	That's the question.
	So I'm going to give some tough love and then we can do some questions, okay?
	But I mean this lovingly.
	When the Berlin Wall fell, I was not even born yet.
	You guys remember when the Berlin Wall fell?
	George H.W. Bush made a mistake.
	You know what he did after the Berlin Wall fell?
	Nothing.
	His advisors later said to Peggy Noonan that he did not give a speech celebrating the fall of the Berlin Wall because he didn't want to rub it in.
	I think he made a terrible mistake.
	Because that at that moment, in my opinion, was one of the climaxes and high thresholds of American life.
	We had defeated multiple totalitarian, authoritarian governments throughout the 20th century.
	Last one without having to go to war, without having to fire a nuclear missile, and our ideas won, and our values won, and we saw the Berlin wall fall.
	But what happened is this: my parents' generation, and many people and you guys in this room, when that Berlin wall fell, you celebrated, you enjoyed, and you said, okay, we won.
	I can go back to my life.
	That our ideas are superior.
	We have the greatest country.
	We're going to enjoy the 90s.
	We're going to build families.
	I was born in 93.
	I know a lot of you were too.
	What did the left do as soon as that wall fell?
	They took advantage of our complacency and our apathy.
	They knew that American conservatives, you guys were in a posture for action in the 80s.
	Reagan was keeping that drum beat going, right?
	You guys were doing even bomb drills all throughout the 70s and early 80s.
	But as soon as that wall fell, you said, We won against communism and socialism.
	We have nothing to worry about.
	And in the 90s, you were right.
	They didn't control anything in the 90s.
	Colleges were bad, but they weren't like they were now.
	Colleges were still a place where you have ideas and conservative professors and the Constitution was respected.
	How about corporations?
	Corporations were on the conservative side in the 90s.
	Tech companies, internet companies, they were generally free market.
	Silicon Valley had little to no power.
	27 years later, from when I've been born, we are now living in the America that the left created that we let them.
	We did not run for school boards.
	We did not take these positions seriously.
	We sent our kids to college out asking the right questions, and now we're living in that America.
	So now we have to take a pause.
	We have to say, boy, that's a long strategic plan to implement, isn't it?
	Oh, yeah.
	One of the problems of how we do politics is instant gratification.
	I expect results.
	I expect it right now.
	And so the question is, what are we now going to do to rechart our course?
	So now maybe 27 years from today, we still have a country.
	And I don't say that lightly.
	Because that's the America that my generation and the kids younger than me are going to have to live in.
	So what are the decisions we're making right now, like the decisions they made after the wall fell?
	Because this is our wall-falling moment.
	Trump loses, you lose the Senate, you lose the Senate seats here.
	That's the equivalent of the depression that the Bolsheviks felt when the wall fell.
	So now what are we doing about it?
	Well, tough love.
	I find a lot of people giving up.
	And I get it.
	Just cut it out.
	Seriously.
	If I get one more email from somebody saying I'm giving up and all this, I say, move to Paris.
	That's all they do.
	Okay?
	Seriously.
	They have a whole culture around celebrating surrender.
	Seriously.
	That's what they've invented.
	Two things in France, the tourniquet and the white flag.
	You can go there and really, no, seriously.
	And really, really bad philosophy and bad ideas.
	We here in America have always been different.
	We've always been people that have understood a threat, took a pause, analyzed the landscape, and went after it.
	So what does that look like?
	That's again why I'm here today.
	The left fears an active church.
	They know the numbers.
	They're not dumb.
	There's a reason why Biden over-religialized his swearing-in ceremony, right?
	There's a reason why Biden was careful not to go after religion as much as the other Democrats.
	He knows if he can hedge six or seven percent of the Christian world in his way about being the nice guy, they're in power indefinitely.
	But he also knows that if that thing swings 10 or 15 percent, they're never going to win anything ever again.
	So the question is: this is what do we do?
	It's from the education of our children, from building new things, being active in our communities, and getting our churches and our pastors to be activists.
	And that's exactly why I'm here today.
	So let's do some questions.
	Is that okay?
	So, okay.
	Blue.
	Wow.
	Check, check.
	All right.
	I'll stand here and ask you.
	Okay.
	Questions?
	It's like a deposition or something.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Well, if you get the right answer, I'll give you a turning point sticker.
	Thank you.
	All right, cool.
	All right, the first question is, are your political stances and beliefs rooted in the Bible?
	Yes, absolutely.
	So I'm a Christian first.
	I'm an American second, a constitutionalist third, then a conservative, and then I vote Republican.
	I won't even call myself a Republican.
	Like, I vote, I don't vote Democrat, let's put it that way.
	Yes, absolutely.
	From my views on immigration to abortion to my views on the rule of law to views of due process, everything is rooted in the Bible.
	And look, the Bible is the source of the liberty that we enjoy today.
	It's that simple.
	And there is not one public policy position that I would argue for that is not consistent with the teachings of the Bible.
	That's a good answer.
	That's a good answer.
	There's one sticker for you.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Why is it important to come to church?
	Oh, coming to, I mean, first of all, it says it very clearly in the scriptures not to forsake the gathering of believers.
	But also, you know, actually physically being in church together is incredibly important.
	I think this whole new YouTube live stream stuff as just only the way to do church, I think it's a bunch of nonsense.
	That's my opinion.
	And there's a reason for that.
	It's because somebody here today is going to see somebody else and fellowship will happen.
	And maybe that person needed to get counseling or guidance on something.
	Maybe that person is looking for a job.
	Maybe that person needs their kids to be picked up from school.
	That's the community of the church that's just missing if it just becomes a YouTube live stream.
	And so everything in a mature society, and we become an immature society, is about weighing costs and benefits.
	So what's the cost of having church?
	The cost of having church is that you're all together in a room and you know what that means.
	Some of you might be vaccinated.
	Some of you might not believe in the vaccine.
	Some of you are wearing masks.
	That's all fine.
	That's what liberty is about.
	You guys all know the cost.
	But what we fail to ever talk about is the cost of not having church.
	It's such an obvious thing, right?
	That's a mature society.
	It's as if shutting down church was nothing but benefits.
	And quite honestly, here's the thought exercise for you, which I think is really interesting.
	How many churches would open their doors tomorrow if they did not have the ability to live stream?
	If they did not have the ability to live stream and still get tithes and offerings, would they open their church?
	And the answer is, of course they would.
	It's not because of the excuse they give.
	It's because they currently are in a comfortable position.
	That's why.
	And I'm a believer that what you're doing right now dates back thousands of years of how church is supposed to be.
	And again, I'm not attacking.
	If you're watching on the live stream and you have pre-existing underlying health conditions and you're making the choice using your liberty, God bless you.
	And I mean that, because that's what liberty is all about.
	And I have never, ever condemned anyone that watches using the live stream mechanism.
	But here's the thing that people don't understand.
	You guys were probably live streaming your services before the virus, too.
	It's not, it's...
	You weren't?
	No?
	Okay.
	Well, most churches were.
	We were weird.
	We were weird.
	Most churches were, because of that reason.
	But I understand the risks for certain people.
	But you have to understand the costs of what the lockdowns have done in our country.
	And let me just say this.
	The lockdowns will go down as one of the worst decisions ever made in Western civilization.
	From the suicides to the drug usage to the alcoholism to all of it.
	And I completely understand the threat of the virus.
	I understand that for a certain portion of the population, it's a very, very real thing.
	But if you do not weigh that with the cost of a lockdown on what it's done to an entire generation to stunt their development, that is the sort of mature conversation that was completely missing from the last nine months.
	I've done my best to try to contribute to it, but I'm a believer in this, is that liberty requires responsibility.
	So, for example, there are certain age groups where you do not trust them with the responsibility to have liberty.
	A great example is you do not trust a six-year-old to drive in your Dodge Durango, right?
	They have to earn that liberty with responsibility.
	Basically, if you want no responsibility, therefore no liberty, it's no different than being in prison.
	Three meals a day, a little bit of sunlight, confined to your own space.
	Now, what's amazing about liberty is if you want to just stay in your home, you can also do that.
	It's not as if we were ever arguing that there must be a government mandate for everyone to assemble.
	It's not like I was saying the police will come and drag you out of your home.
	It's simply saying allow people to leave their home.
	And that is it.
	That is a completely different way of governing than the Europeans or the traditional socialistic model.
	And I will also say this.
	This is a tough conversation for people to have.
	Liberty has costs.
	This is something that, for whatever reason, we've decided to just ignore.
	Driving kills 50,000 people a year.
	I just drove from Phoenix to here.
	I was able to get here in an hour and 38 minutes because Mikey drove very, very fast.
	However, the speed limit was, you know, we were probably going 80, 85, maybe a little bit higher.
	Just on the law of averages, a couple dozen people every couple years will die driving from Phoenix to Tucson.
	Why don't we make the speed limit 15 miles an hour?
	Seriously.
	That would save those people's lives.
	The reason that we do not have a 15-mile an hour speed limit is because we want to have the liberty to be able to go from Phoenix to Tucson in an hour and 38 minutes.
	But if we were all about safety, safetyism, it'd be a 15-mile an hour speed limit, and it would be the same as just taking a horse-drawn carriage.
	And we laugh for good reason because we understand that liberty has a cost.
	We fooled ourselves otherwise this last year.
	That you could shut everything down and you could be totally safe and we're going to take care of you.
	Nonsense.
	There's so much liberty that we allow in our society for good reason because the benefit of the liberty outweighs the costs.
	Do you support lockdowns?
	It's a good one.
	All right, should kids go to college these days?
	That's a great question.
	So I'm actually writing a whole book on that.
	That's actually probably going to be my next book.
	I'm going to make it overly provocative for a reason where I'm just basically going to say don't go.
	But it's probably overly, though.
	But let me say this.
	We have too many kids going to college, way too many kids going to four-year college.
	And if you are not going for a specific skill and cannot justify the financial burden, I highly encourage high school kids to take a breather before you go.
	Now, if permission to make this a little bit more of an extended answer, because this applies to I don't know how much time we have or whatever.
	Okay, so the college cartel that I call it is the biggest scam in America today.
	It is.
	Actually, the cartel thing works better here than in most places across the country.
	Most people are like, cartel?
	I saw Narcos.
	I don't really know what that is.
	Like, no.
	Cartel is something that I think is a little close to home here, so works perfectly.
	Okay, so look, we have a whole generation of kids that are borrowing money they don't have to study things that don't matter to find jobs that don't exist, right?
	And so everyone knows in this room, yet very few people say it, I'm happy to say it, that college is way too expensive, the class sizes are too big, the value is not worth it, yet we keep on sending kids there.
	Why?
	People say I don't have other options.
	I'll talk about that in a second.
	The reason is, and if I asked many parents in this room, they'd say, well, Charlie, my kid can't get a job without that piece of paper.
	Okay, that's a different value proposition than what they're selling at the university, though.
	They're selling sometimes $100,000 in debt to go find yourself for four years to then get the piece of paper to find a job.
	Something here is incredibly broken.
	It's not four years.
	And it could be longer than four years at times.
	It could be five years or six years or seven years.
	So here's the first thing I'll say: is that we have to stop asking high school kids, where are you going to college?
	You should ask them, why are you going to college?
	If the answer for why you're going to college is, I want to be X, I want to be a doctor, I want to be a lawyer, I want to be an engineer, and this place is able to get me a skill, good answer.
	The next question should be, what is your financial model to get debt-free in five years or less?
	If they cannot be debt-free in five years or less, they should not go.
	It's that simple.
	Debt is the slavery, the free do not bank on some sort of student loan forgiveness nonsense being pushed by the federal government.
	It's immoral.
	It's not right.
	And it's not right to the people that didn't go to college and paid their way through college.
	It punishes good behavior.
	It subsidizes debt, first of all.
	So the other question is this.
	The other question you should ask is, why are you going to college?
	Now, if they say this, well, I'm going to Stanford.
	I'll use a good example, like a good school, right?
	I'm going to Stanford.
	Why?
	Well, they have a good sports team, nice campus, you know, good people.
	Red flag should be going up.
	Fire alarm.
	Bad reason to go.
	And then it really comes down to say, what if you didn't go?
	And there's some tough love for you guys.
	Oh, my parents wouldn't let me not go.
	Many kids go to college because their parents are pushing them to go to college.
	Let me tell you what happens when the Tucson student ends up going to Palo Alto and Stanford.
	The mom moves him in to the Stanford dorm.
	She gets her Stanford mom bumper stickers.
	She's super excited.
	She moves them in.
	She realizes like the boys' dorms and the girls' dorms are like right next to each other.
	Completely ignores it.
	Starts to see BLM flags, LGBTQ flags, ignores that too.
	Comes back to Tucson.
	The kid comes back for Thanksgiving.
	Like, oh, hey, honey, how is Stanford?
	It's like, well, actually, I'm non-binary now, and I don't celebrate Thanksgiving.
	It's Thanksgiving.
	It's People's Indigenous Day.
	And did the turkey actually consent to being killed?
	Because that looks pretty brutal and awful.
	You're like, what happened?
	It's been three months, and you've turned into like a little activist, right?
	And you have to understand the university system is about training activists.
	If you're going for a specific reason, engineer, doctor, lawyer, get there, leave as quickly as possible, get the piece of paper, get the skills, graduate debt-free.
	God bless you.
	But a vast, vast majority of people that go to college, they're going to college not for that reason.
	They're going to go find themselves.
	Great place to lose yourself, by the way.
	There's no wisdom in college unless you go to Hillsdale.
	And Hillsdale is great.
	They study the great books.
	They dive deep into it.
	I take the Hillsdale online lectures and courses.
	They're phenomenal.
	You do too?
	Awesome.
	They are the minority, the minority.
	Grand Canyon does a pretty good job, too.
	I just met with the president.
	They're really going out of their way to do a good job there.
	They really are.
	But understand, that is the vast minority of colleges.
	So what I'm trying to do is provocatively be the, I've looked along the landscape.
	I'm like, everyone believes this, but no one's saying it.
	It kind of feels like the housing bubble in 2006.
	Like everyone's like, so why does the Chili's waitress have like two mansions down the street?
	And everyone's like, ah, housing, like it just works.
	And all of a sudden it blows up and everyone's like, yeah, I knew it.
	Like you didn't know anything, okay?
	Like we were all seeing it, but we're not saying it.
	That's what college is.
	And so the one thing that I just, I encourage you right now, two things, actually.
	Number one, do not treat people that don't go to college as dumb.
	It's a very important thing.
	So I spoke, and I've seen this firsthand.
	I spoke at a very, very wealthy neighborhood in Chicago, okay?
	And there's an audience just like this, but very high, very, very high income, driving Maseratis and Ferraris and Porsche's all in there.
	It's fine.
	And I made a joke, but I didn't mean it as a joke, but they did.
	I said, I'm sure a lot of you guys don't want your kids to become plumbers.
	And they laughed.
	And I said, exactly.
	You would rather have your kid become a liberal than a plumber.
	You would rather have your kid go to Harvard and study a bunch of garbage, be unemployed and work at Starbucks than have to be a person that works with their hands.
	We in our family, we don't do that.
	That's the problem, is that parents look at this like, well, I don't want my kid to be a carpenter.
	By the way, you want to talk about where the jobs are?
	It's in HVAC plumber.
	We need more people that work with their hands and less people that throw around bad ideas.
	It would save the country in a generation.
	And so that's number one.
	And then number two is this, which is allow more flexibility and allow more space for a high school kid to be able to take a pause before they have to go somewhere.
	Gap years, community college, military police officer, whatever it is.
	That's the one time where they have unlimited energy and zero liabilities.
	Think about that.
	When else in your life will you have energy, ambition, idealism, and no liabilities?
	What do I mean by liabilities?
	You don't have to do something to provide for somebody else.
	So what do we do with our greatest asset?
	That's our greatest.
	When you think about it, your 18-year-olds are your greatest asset.
	They are clear thinking.
	They have tons of energy.
	We go put them in a system that will immediately give them liabilities by the moment they walk in.
	And so I didn't go to college.
	And so for me, that was the right decision.
	And I could tell you this, you learn as much as you want to learn in America.
	And this idea that you must go through college, understand the great books or to understand the big ideas is an absolute lie.
	You can, through autodidactic study, learn almost anything now thanks to the internet age.
	You can go find experts and ask them questions.
	The real question is this: are we going to become a society with how we educate our best and brightest, our young people, based on saying we need them to have a piece of paper or we want to go create good people?
	And so what college is supposed to be in its ideal form is saying, we are going to tease you that there's beauty and truth in the world, and I'm going to teach you how to be.
	I'm going to teach you how to act.
	Aristotle said there's two types of wisdom.
	Wisdom is the knowledge of all things eternal.
	There's practical wisdom and there's eternal wisdom.
	So practical wisdom is basically I know a bunch of state capitals or I know geography.
	Those things can change, right?
	Eternal wisdom is how do I act?
	What do I do?
	Colleges teach you none of that.
	It teaches you the opposite.
	It says there's no beauty.
	There's no truth.
	There's nothing but nihilistic power struggles.
	Go do what fits your own hedonistic desires.
	Go indulge yourself with your own substances.
	And guess what?
	It creates miserable people.
	And so I'm a little bit of a critic against college.
	You know, speaking of the plumbers, carpentry, those types of jobs, think about how much worse the lockdowns would have been if we didn't have those people doing those jobs.
	Imagine life without plumbers.
	I mean, it would be...
	No, seriously.
	I mean, we, Because of the way Obama treated that one guy, Joe the Plumber, and just everything that fell out of it, we have turned plumbing into a pejorative.
	And it's just a small example of a broader point, which is what an amazing group of people that did not need to go to college.
	They earn a really good wage.
	I mean, they're earning $120 an hour right now in Phoenix.
	You can't find a plumber.
	And I'm sure there's be a lot of graduates from the University of Arizona that would love that type of a wage.
	All right.
	What can we as Arizonans do to help ensure voter integrity?
	Yeah, it's a great point.
	Great question.
	So I just had a whole podcast on this with Congressman Paul Gosar on my show.
	And so, look, the way we do elections in our country has dramatically changed because they used the Chinese coronavirus to actually put in universal mail-in voting.
	Arizona had a lot of problems with the way that you guys did your last election.
	Here's the thing, though.
	It's going to be a government, hopefully, of and by and for the people.
	Every person in this room should be relentlessly contacting your state legislatures and your governor demanding election integrity measures.
	I could tell you from everything that I've seen and I've done, there was a lot of problems with how the process unfolded here in Arizona.
	We're still uncovering the specifics of that.
	I just think here, we need a full audit.
	We need a forensic review of everything that has happened.
	And then beyond that, you cannot have massive changes in how you do voting months before an election.
	That should be a very obvious thing.
	And yet they did, and it caused a lot of chaos and a lot of disruption.
	I am of the belief that here in Arizona, because of the mail-in, the signature verification, the problems, the fact it took them a week and a half to count all the ballots, there's just something very third world about that.
	I mean, and that should be considered unacceptable for anyone that lives in Arizona.
	It's an all-Republican legislature.
	And so, and here's the deeper point of it, though, and I see a lot of you nodding your head, which is exactly right.
	I have a fear about this, though, that if we don't get the kind of reform that we need, we're going to lose faith in our system altogether.
	And then what happens next is not good, right?
	Is that people don't vote.
	They start to compartmentalize themselves off.
	So my advice to you is let's take an active posture in this.
	I've been on the phone with state legislators and state senators almost every day the last couple weeks here in Arizona and Georgia, pressuring them to do the right thing.
	There's a lot of specific measures, but just to be very specific, it's this.
	Why can't Arizona have elections done as seamlessly as the state of Florida?
	Florida has a larger population, has a more elderly population, has more mail-in voting.
	This is not a political issue, by the way.
	Democrats have even said that Florida's system works amazingly.
	When you have fair and free elections, what happened in Florida?
	All their results were in by 9.30 Eastern.
	Trump won by 400,000 votes, and you flipped three congressional seats.
	Now, I'm not saying that that's the only reason it happened, but I'm a resident of Florida, and I could tell you, I have faced that when I went and voted in Florida, that my ballot was going to get counted.
	So what did that give?
	That gave me, I was bought into the system.
	And I'm afraid that people in Arizona are now questioning it for good reason.
	So the ask should be very simple.
	Dear Representative Mr. Smith, why don't we do elections the way Florida does?
	We're a smaller state.
	They're a bigger state.
	We should be able to do it.
	Should we, as Christians, leave social media because of the censorship, or should we stand our ground?
	It's a great question.
	It depends if you're a publisher or if you're someone that actually consumes the information.
	I could give a whole speech.
	I could have given a different speech on how I think smartphones are destroying humanity, which I really think they are.
	And so I encourage every young person out there to take at least one day a week of a social media Sabbath.
	I think that social media is so chemically addictive.
	It's engaged in surveillance capitalism.
	For parents and grandparents out there, I don't think a kid should get a smartphone until they're 17 or 18.
	I didn't.
	I turned out just fine.
	I think that it's so una smartphone can be more destructive than giving your child heroin or cocaine.
	I don't say that lightly.
	It is that chemically addictive.
	It is that terrible and awful.
	It's wired to have you have certain dopamine rushes and highs and lows.
	So be very, very careful with that.
	But should we leave social media?
	If you're a publisher like I am, I'm not going to leave social media until they kick me off because there's an audience that I want to communicate to.
	But if you do not publish and you just consume information, then you should leave.
	Does that make sense?
	Go find the other.
	So I'm not leaving anytime soon.
	That would be silly.
	There's a lot of minds, millions of people that I think want to see my content that are still searching.
	And they're so that for me, it doesn't make sense.
	But if you're out there and you say, I go to social media to consume, not to publish as much, then you should go to other places like Telegram.
	Hopefully Parlor comes back.
	But just understand this, that you are the product when you use social media.
	They're selling you.
	They're selling you to other companies.
	They're selling your behavior to sell push ads to big companies that they monetize your activity.
	And I'm telling you, these 12 and 13 and 14 year olds, I'm going to be honest, I'm like, you should not have a phone.
	And I mean, like, you have so much humanity that is just being destroyed by people that hate you.
	These are godless, secular, nihilistic, multi-trillionaires that look as your children, no different than people look at a coal mine.
	They just want to extract your kids' time and sell it so they can get another $100 billion for their net worth.
	It's so sinister, everybody.
	And so why play into that?
	And people say, well, their friends have it.
	It doesn't matter.
	Be the one that says you don't need it.
	Like, go play outside.
	That's something I did when I was 12.
	I know.
	No, but I meet these 13-year-olds and it's like they never heard of the imagination we used to have when we were 12 years old.
	I actually think it's one of the reasons why I can think so clearly at my age.
	And I meet some of these 18-year-olds, it's like, I have to break through this.
	Get rid of that.
	Just smash it and just like, you know, and of course, everything comes with a blessing and curse, right?
	You can communicate more easily.
	You can get more information.
	I get all that.
	But I think that the way that the platforms have been designed is that we don't even realize the damage it's done to our civil society.
	You want to get your kids back outside?
	Throw them a book of matches.
	Fire.
	Gets them outside every time.
	All right.
	A couple more questions for sure.
	Sure.
	Do you plan to have a connection with Biden like you did with Trump?
	You know, it's, yeah.
	You know, it's interesting.
	I offered, I mean this, and I don't say this jokingly.
	I really want him to succeed because I love my country.
	I'm not going to be like the Democrats that were actually hoping Trump failed.
	When I see virus rates go down, I'm actually happy.
	I don't care if he gets credit for it.
	I'll beat him on other stuff.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, the point is that I actually want him to be a good president.
	He's proven to go back on every single promise that he's made on unity and healing and bringing together.
	But I want the economy to roar.
	I don't want to go to a recession so I can get back in power, like Bill Maher said.
	Remember, he said that about Trump?
	I hope a recession happens so I get back into power.
	And if he asked me to meet, I would take the opportunity in a second.
	I would.
	He probably obviously wouldn't.
	But I'm going to hold him accountable to his own inaugural address.
	His own inaugural address is that we're all unified.
	It's time to come together.
	And then he uses the apparatus of power to have men go to women's locker rooms, destroy the Keystone pipeline, Dakota Access Pipeline, no new fracking on federal grounds, a variety of executive orders that aren't about healing or unity.
	And I ask him a very simple question.
	And this is a really good point to bring up to your liberal friends.
	When was the last time Biden had to look in the eyes of someone that voted for Donald Trump?
	Because I could tell you, Donald Trump had a look in the eyes of someone that voted for Hillary Clinton every day.
	So if you don't ever have to actually look at the human being that supported your political opponent, don't give me one sentence or iota about unity.
	And so if I met with Biden, my message would be very clear.
	It's like, I love my country more than I love politics.
	I hope you govern from the middle.
	Why aren't you?
	Why aren't you courting actual, not Mitt Romney people, okay?
	I'm talking about real conservatives.
	You know what I mean?
	Like actual conservatives.
	I'm talking about people that believe this stuff and they're not just transactional Washington, D.C. types.
	Now, Joe Biden, if you want to be a Woodrow Wilson, if you want to be an LBJ or an FDR or an Obama where you say one thing and do another, then you better start talking about that and then we'll act appropriately.
	But I'm going to hold you accountable with believing he's going to break this promise because I'm far too cynical to believe politicians tell the truth.
	However, I'm going to hold out hope that maybe there might be an iota that he actually means what he says.
	That he said in his inaugural address that we are going to have the greatest moment of unity and healing.
	We must come together.
	This whole thing about, and I've seen none of it.
	And so if I, if I, of course, I don't, I don't imagine having a close relationship with him, obviously, you know, but people say, oh, I would never meet with him.
	Of course I would meet with him.
	Of course I would say what I believe.
	And I want him to be a centrist president.
	And I would do everything I possibly could to say, look, Joe, outside of eliminating 75 million people from the planet, you're going to have to live with us.
	You're going to have to live with our toxic existence, right?
	So are you going to just rule in a Machiavellian way with an iron fist?
	Or are you going to do anything where you're going to weigh that half the country voted for you and half the country didn't?
	And the other half the country feels so disenfranchised and angry.
	That's what my message to him would be.
	And I'm very, I don't have a lot of hope that he would do that, but that's what my message would be.
	What are you predictions for?
	You said some today, but do you have any other predictions for the rest of the term?
	I actually, I have a, yeah, again, I'm cynical about, I'm unbelievably cynical about his presidency just because I know the way this stuff works, but I hold out a small iota of hope there.
	I think that there's, and Victor Davis Hansen made this point, who I just think is unbelievably awesome.
	If you guys aren't reading Victor Davis Hansen, he's unbelievably brilliant.
	And yeah, he's really special.
	He really is.
	And he has courage, which is so rare to find.
	Victor made this point, and I've expounded on it at the whole podcast on it, where he argues that Biden really is governing like someone that only cares about how liberal historians will write about him.
	He doesn't care about how the voters will think of him.
	He's governing like how he wants a college professor to teach his course.
	I think that's a very brilliant way to analyze it.
	That he's governing like 20 years from now when who knows if he'll still be living or not.
	He cares more about how the professor class will say that Joe Biden came in and didn't care about the consequences and he won over America on a certain agenda, but then he decided to be a progressive president.
	And I also think there's even a more kind of vengeful side to Biden, which is I think he's been very, I think that there's been this pent up anger of him of constantly being called like Obama's foolish sidekick.
	And I think that he is now saying, you know what?
	I'm going to do what Obama never did.
	And I'm going to be more liberal than Obama.
	And that's not a good thing, by the way.
	That's a really bad thing.
	But I'm starting to see that pattern of behavior where it's kind of like, look, I don't care if we get blown out in the midterms.
	I don't care if I serve one term.
	I'm going to do what Obama never did.
	I'm going to deliver amnesty.
	I'm going to eliminate fossil fuels.
	I'm going to be more radical on abortion.
	I'm not going to do a whole thing like Obama did and try to court the other side.
	I'm going to rule with an iron fist.
	And I want liberal historians to remember me as the guy that defeated Trump and then changed the trajectory of the progressive movement to be one that fights.
	I hope I'm wrong, but that's my prediction.
	My prediction is that Biden is looking at himself almost in a way a college lecturer would be giving his history 20 years from now.
	And that's to be understood.
	He's 78.
	He's probably not going to run for a second term.
	Maybe he will, maybe he won't.
	So I think he's just kind of, he's doing things that he just doesn't care about the consequences, which is really bad for the country.
	All right.
	Would you be willing today to announce your 2032 presidential run?
	No.
	But I'm not running for office.
	No, I'm not running for anything.
	I'm far too happy to run for office.
	But I can promise you this.
	Instead of running for office, what we will do at Turning Point, what we're doing on the podcast and what I'm doing personally, will have the impact of somebody running for office.
	Now, what do I mean for that?
	The impact that we're making, I think, is going to be greater than what a senator or a congressperson or a presidential candidate would have.
	What I'm talking about here will be rebroadcast on our podcast to hundreds of thousands and millions of people.
	And what I talk about here is rooted in truth, but it is so missing right now.
	And so we're organizing every day at Turning Point USA.
	We're standing up.
	And so, look, people say, when are you going to run for this?
	It's like, look, I'd rather be friends with those people and influence those people.
	But to be perfectly honest, there's 100 senators, there's 435 congresspeople.
	You know, there's only a couple voices right now that I hear that are saying what I've just said and are doing it daily and are doing it in a pretty methodical way.
	And then also organizing a whole organization.
	But I appreciate the compliment.
	All right.
	This is the last one.
	And the worship team can come on up and get ready.
	But I was asked to make a joke to have you share how to subscribe to Charlie Pirke.
	That's funny.
	Yes, I was actually going to do that.
	And how to beat the New York Times with our 200 people.
	Well, okay, well, no, we can.
	It's actually great.
	So, first of all, I want to say thank you guys for having me.
	And so it's churches like this will save the country.
	And that's good for the kingdom.
	It's good for everything.
	And this country is a gift from God.
	I don't say that lightly.
	I only touched on that lightly.
	That's a different speech I can give at a different time.
	We teach our young people that this country is just a bunch of kind of befuddling, you know, morons that happen to assemble this thing.
	This thing's the greatest experiment of civil government the world has ever seen.
	Plenty of faults and flaws that happens when human beings do something.
	But it's amazing with what flawed individuals with original sin have been able to create something as decent as this country.
	It really is.
	And I believe, Jeremiah says, pray for the welfare of the land that you're in.
	And I believe that God will judge us, parable the talents, based on what we are given.
	We are going to be held to a higher threshold and standard that we live in America, not a third world country.
	And it's basically going to be asked, what did you do with it?
	Did you contend for it?
	Did you protect it?
	Did you advance it?
	Did you try to put forth my truth?
	And so, but churches like this, and then those of you that go to other churches, communicate into your pastor and be like, hey, watch this speech that Charlie gave at Calvary Chapel Oral Valley.
	Why is this message not also being shared?
	Why is this not happening?
	That's number one.
	And then on the podcast side, we do two podcasts a day.
	We have one of the most active podcast feeds in the country.
	One way that you could bless me and our team, if every single person in this room did this, and it's completely free of charge, we would beat the New York Times by tomorrow morning.
	And it's very simple.
	You take out your smartphone, and every iPhone or every Android has a podcast app.
	It's a purple app.
	An iPhone, you just type in Charlie Kirk Show, and there's a subscribe button.
	You press that subscription.
	It might feel like nothing, but for us, that's the currency of how we do what we do.
	It's that simple.
	Every time a finger hits that button, I become harder to get canceled.
	It becomes harder to eliminate me.
	And that's the lifeblood.
	And so my goal every day is to get thousands of people to push that button.
	And so if you have no idea what I just said, go find a 13-year-old and they'll be able to walk you through it.
	And so because going back to my earlier point, but it's just the podcast app, Charlie Kirk Show.
	And so just one more closing thought is this, is that what you guys are doing is so important.
	You have a wonderful pastor and amazing church here.
	Keep on supporting this church.
	It's so important.
	There are three types of people right now.
	The people that will be on the other side and do nothing.
	We're not going to talk about them.
	There's the fighters and the people that help the fighters.
	I mean metaphorical fighting, okay, for the New York Times that watches has nothing better to do on a Sunday.
	Anyway, if you feel like, you know what, I'm in a job, I'm raising kids, I don't know what I can do, then be a person that helps the fighters.
	Help your pastor.
	Help what we're doing on our program.
	Because without you helping us, we can't do what we do.
	It's that simple.
	So you can be a fighter, you can help the fighters.
	So God bless you guys.
	God bless this church.
	Thanks for having me today.
	Thank you guys so much for listening.
	And please consider supporting us at charliekirk.com slash support.
	God bless.
	Speak to you soon.

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