A False Gospel Infecting the American Church with Allie Beth Stuckey
Charlie sits down with one of the most grounded and inspiring Christian women in the country, host of The Relatable podcast, Allie Beth Stuckey, to explain her faith, why she's grateful for it's leading and guidance in her life, and how she came to believe in the first place. She and Charlie then tackles one of the most insidious, and trendy, false teachings infecting the American Church today, and why it's actually a poison pill which works against the Gospel, and people's joyfulness and purpose. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey, Allie.
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thank you so much for having me.
I heard you gave a great speech.
Oh, thank you.
At our Student Action Summit.
Thanks.
I love it.
It's my second favorite conference right after YWLS.
Well, and that one we're going to be doing again, hopefully in person.
I know.
It's super sad that we couldn't have it this year.
For obvious reasons.
Yeah.
So there's a lot to talk about in the world.
Yeah, there is.
And so I asked you, what do you want to talk about?
And you said, I don't know anything.
Yeah, I'll talk about anything.
So let's folk.
I mean, I just said, well, let's talk about the Bible.
So why not?
Because I actually love when we get to talk about faith on this podcast.
We do it every so often.
Your faith's very important to you.
We have a lot of people that have a misperception of Christianity.
Yeah.
So tell us why you're a Christian.
Well, I'm a Christian.
Thankfully, I have a really good foundation in my parents.
I know that you do as well.
Some people kind of scoff at the fact that, oh, you have the same beliefs that your parents do.
You're only a Christian because your parents raised you that way.
I actually think it's an immense privilege to be able to say, yeah, I had parents who brought me up in the Lord and brought me to church and taught me who made the world and who makes the rules.
And that really is the foundation of my faith.
But, you know, things become your own when you go off on your own in college and then you're in the real world and you realize that it really does have to become personal because it also becomes a little bit of a, a little bit of a fight, a little bit of a battle when you're up against people who don't believe the same things that you do.
You have to know why you believe what you believe.
It's not just that God makes sense of the world.
I don't understand the existence of truth or morality or right and wrong or any kind of moral order without the creator.
But also, there has to be a dealing with injustice.
There has to be a dealing with sin.
And that's the biggest question I think that all of us deal with.
Like, who's going to deal with the bad stuff?
Not just in the world, but also in me.
And we have this like internal longing for redemption, for things to be made new, for things to be made better, for us to be made clean.
And that is only found in Jesus Christ.
And so, just talking about kind of the philosophical and theological why, that's the why it deals with the good and the bad.
And it gives me hope for a culmination of all of life's craziness that one day there will be perfect peace.
We won't be talking about politics.
We'll be worshiping Jesus together.
Thankfully.
Yeah.
And that hope just anchors us in the midst of all this craziness.
So people ask all the time, Charlie, do you ever have doubts?
How do you answer that question?
Yes.
So I heard a pastor once say that faith without doubts is like a body without antibody.
So we actually need doubts to be able to wrestle through our faith and answer those tough questions.
The good news is that people that are much smarter than me have wrestled with the very same questions that I've had.
I think a lot of times we have this hubris to think that if I have a question about like, why does God let bad things happen?
I'm the first person to ever ask that.
And the answer is going to be found somewhere deep inside me.
And so we have this, there's this trend of deconstructionism that is really kind of a progressive movement within the church to deconstruct your faith, but then not reconstruct it into any kind of biblical Christianity, but reconstruct it with all of these secular, progressive ideologies into something that really doesn't look like Christianity at all in a way to try to pick and choose what you like from the Bible and discard the things that you don't like from the Bible.
But when we have doubts, when we have questions, when, for example, maybe you had a church leader growing up who ended up being a huge hypocrite, and that just made you really doubt your faith and wonder if all of this is true, the great thing is, is that there are Christians, tried and true Christians, who have fought through and answered these questions, who can tell you where to go in the word of God.
So rather than fleeing the church, fleeing scripture and fleeing the Christians who have surrounded you your whole life, go into that community, go into scripture and ask those questions.
Those questions are good.
God's not scared of your questions.
He's not too small for your questions.
He's not like, oh, I've never heard that question before.
If he is the creator of truth and he's the source of all wisdom, the Bible says that if we ask for wisdom in the book of James, that he promises to give it.
James 1.
So, yes.
So, wisdom is both a promise, but it's also a process, as the book of Proverbs tells us.
And so, we seek wisdom in the place where we know it is in God's word, and we ask in humility for God to give us the wisdom that we're looking for.
Yeah, I love when you and I go to a lot of campuses where there's kind of a guy that comes up and he's 19 years old, and he's 19, 20 years old, and he believes he's the first person ever to think of the question, how could God ever allow bad things to happen?
And he loves asking the question.
God bless him for that.
And it's, there have been people that have been wrestling with this since the beginning of time.
And so, can you talk about, you know, we have a lot of people that are searching on this podcast, and we get wonderful emails, people that are finally really committing their life to Christ, which is awesome.
And that is not the primary focus of this podcast.
We're unapologetic of our beliefs, obviously, but we talk about a lot of other stuff, as you all know.
But I think it points people to Christ as the more we talk about liberty, we want to find its source.
Can you talk about how the scriptures have impacted your life and why do you believe the Bible?
Some people have emailed us in disagreement.
They say, oh, it's just a bunch of mythology.
It's a bunch of fables.
It's outdated.
It's more than that.
Why is it more than that for you?
Well, that's a really long question.
And like I was saying earlier, there are people who are so much smarter than me that thankfully have wrestled through that and have looked at the history of the Bible, why the biblical canon includes those 66 books.
That's what Protestants believe anyway, and why we believe that's the inerrant word of God.
And so there's this resource.
It's a huge resource and it's called Systematic Theology.
It's by Wayne Grudem.
If you haven't had him on your own, Wayne's been on our podcast.
I was about to say, he is the perfect thing.
He's a Phoenix too.
Yeah, he's incredible, but he's such a wealth of biblical theological knowledge.
And that is an amazing resource for people to look into for how did we get the Bible?
Why is it trustworthy?
Why do we believe that it's different than any other book?
And so we could go through the history and the logic and the apologetics of all of that, but I'll just direct you to that.
I think one of the most compelling arguments that I've heard for Christianity, kind of what I was saying in the beginning, is that it helps us deal with these existential questions that all humans are born having.
Like secular humanism, it doesn't have an answer for these questions because it basically just sees us as evolved animals.
And so we are just these clumps of matter, but it can't answer questions like, why do we long for purpose?
Why do we long for belonging?
Why do we long for beauty?
Why is there such a thing as beauty?
All of these very big and almost intangible questions that all human beings have, they're found in the source that created these things.
And it's only answered in this idea that we were made in God's image, which doesn't mean that we are gods, that we are divine ourselves, but we have attributes that are similar or that reflect the trying God's nature.
And I am someone who really cares about, I really care about fairness.
Like I hate injustice.
I hate bullies.
I hate when people get away with bad things.
I hate when people are deceitful or manipulative.
I hate when the vulnerable are trampled on.
And we can look at the world and sometimes I just feel like despairing because it feels like justice is never going to be executed, like right will never prevail.
And then I think about the promises in God's word that going back to that question of why does God let bad things happen?
Well, actually, God promises to defeat the evildoers.
He promises to defeat Satan forever and to rule in perfect peace.
That God is not just letting bad happen.
He's going to exact revenge on those who do evil.
And so putting my hope in that and asking or answering all of those existential questions that I and every human being since the beginning of time has had in such a beautiful and redemptive story of Jesus taking away our sins and then defeating evil once and for all.
I can't think of a better satisfaction for those ponderings that we all have naturally.
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Yeah, the Bible in three words, can you believe it?
Is creation, fall, redemption.
Yeah.
It's hardly, you know, there's a lot more to it than that, but that's that's the story of the Bible.
Yeah.
Can you talk about where you think our country has been going because we've decided to kind of discard the Bible as a coffee table book or something that's not even worthy of reading?
What do you think the consequences have been culturally in our country and across the world?
You know, some people think that this is a very recent phenomenon, that only in the past five years or so have we kind of embraced postmodernism and progressivism, this idea that there is no absolute truth, that moral relativism and all that.
And yes, I do think things have accelerated over the past five years, but this has been happening for a very long time.
And there are various avenues in our country that we can look at.
Okay, where did this leftist progressive postmodern secular indoctrination start?
I mean, you can look at teachers' unions, how they became more activist in the 1960s.
You can look at some of the values in our government.
And so there's a lot of different possible sources of it.
But I think what you see is just a detachment from reality and a detachment from truth.
I was talking to an atheist the other day who I really like and really respect.
And she said something along the lines of, you know, it must be funny to people on the right to see us arguing about what is a man and what is a woman.
And I said, you know, actually, it's sad because to me, that's the consequence of godlessness because what is anything?
Like, what is right?
What is wrong?
What is biology?
Why does science matter more than someone's feelings?
Why does biology matter at all?
Why do definitions matter if there isn't a transcendent source of truth?
If there isn't, as C.S. Lewis says, a great moral lawgiver from which we get our definitions of right and wrong.
Of course, we're going to be arguing about things that we thought had been decided for millennia, but now we're asking such basic questions like, what is life?
When does life begin?
Why do we care about babies' lives?
What is a man?
What is a woman?
Is freedom really good?
Should we even want freedom?
These are very basic questions that have been asked and answered by a lot of people.
But because we've been infected by postmodernism, which I like to say makes hearts of stone and brains of mush, we're now asking very stupid questions because we don't know what truth is anymore.
Yes.
And so can you talk about the impact you think it's had with young people in particular?
I think it's created the most miserable generation in American history because they have no idea what it actually means to live a meaningful life and they don't know what to try to pursue.
And so human beings are aiming creatures.
We need something to aim at.
And the Bible and Christ give us the ultimate aim, which of course is truth and is his sacrifice for us and his love, but a love in a very specific way.
I think that we throw around the word love too often.
You know, probably one of the most used sermons ever.
It's kind of like the introductory sermon 101 for a pastor who kind of has to pinch it is the different types of love, which you know well of Phileo, Eros, Sergei, and Agape are the different types of love that God has given us.
But what do you think this impact has had on young people and students?
And if there is a young person listening to this right now that is kind of stuck in this nihilistic postmodern rut, what can they do?
Yeah, I think where I see it the most, you know, my audience is predominantly young women, probably college age to, you know, young moms.
And what we are bombarded with on a daily basis, speaking of love, is this self-love culture.
And that's why I wrote a book about it.
That's kind of why I asked.
Yeah, because I've been seeing just so many young women, but young people in general who are weighed down by, I know this sounds paradoxical, but the misery of self-love, this misery of self-sufficiency.
And even though self-love and self-empowerment, it all sounds really good because of course we don't believe in self-loathing.
We don't want self-deprecation, of course.
And I agree with that.
But this idea that you are enough on your own and all you have to do is to love yourself more and you'll be happy.
You'll be able to chase your dreams.
All your relationships will come together.
All it is is what I call trendy narcissism.
It's actually making people far too focused on ourselves.
I posit that we do not have a self-love deficit in this country, that we're all kind of born with the natural instinct of self-protection and to meet our own needs.
We don't actually have to be taught to take care of ourselves.
What we need is a purpose outside of ourselves.
Because if self-love were the problem, then we would all be a lot happier by now because we have been preached the message of just think about yourself, put yourself first.
All that matters is that you're happy in the moment.
Just love yourself more.
Feel good about yourself.
Empower yourself.
Okay, well, the generation that has been the greatest beneficiary of that, Generation Z, is more depressed, more anxious, more lonely, more purposeless, more godless than any other generation.
So it can't, that can't be the problem.
Self-love can't be the problem.
I would say, if we're looking at the problem, look at the correlation between godlessness, the increase in godlessness in this youngest generation and their misery and their sadness.
And I'm not saying, hey, if you just pray more, you'll automatically be happier and that's it.
No, I'm talking about having an eternal sense of purpose, that this world is bigger than you, that your life is bigger than you, that other people matter too, that you don't just exist for yourself and to make yourself to make yourself happy and to serve yourself.
I think that does wonders to people's mindset and even that overused term today, mental health.
And if you have a service mind, you actually end up being a lot more fulfilled.
And that's what happens when you mature.
The definition of maturity is when people start to look at not just what their own actions impact themselves, how their actions might impact other people.
And an immature person is someone who, no matter what they do, their actions will never impact other people.
For example, an immature person, someone who never leaves the basement.
No matter what they do that day, unless they do something on social media or whatever, if they just play video games by themselves, their actions are going to have really no bearing on other people.
That's immaturity.
It takes actually a lot of responsibility to go, and someone relies on you to show up on time to actually produce something of value.
And all of this is rooted in the biblical canon and the biblical ideas and biblical truth.
And this also has had to do a lot with kind of, and I want you to talk about the differences between Christianity and other religions, because there's been this kind of Eastern religion influx where a lot of the self-love nonsense actually comes from.
This kind of quasi-Buddhist yoga culture where I can ascend to a higher level of peace because it's all about me.
And I make a very provocative argument, but I don't really care.
It's what I do, that Buddhism is the ultimate most selfish religion.
It's all you care about is yourself.
You spend seven hours a day not talking, being completely unproductive.
That's unbelievably selfish.
Like you're wasting your time just worrying about finding your own inner peace.
That's like self-love gone completely awry.
Yeah.
And there might be some therapeutic meditative reason to do that for some people, but the idea, the highest level of achievement for Buddhism is to never talk again.
If you talk to a legit Buddhist, it's never to speak, right?
That's speaking.
We're doing a terrible job.
No, I know, but it's interesting, though.
But in Christianity, though, in John 1, speaking is actually the ultimate form of pursuit, right?
Yeah.
The spreading of words, the spreading of truth.
They couldn't be more polar opposites.
And there's other religions we can contrast.
Why is Christianity different?
Yeah, that's so interesting that you make that connection.
And I do talk about that in my book, not specifically about Buddhism, but named?
You're not enough and that's okay.
I was going to paraphrase it, but I was going to say like escaping.
Don't love yourself.
And that's okay.
No.
So you're not enough and that's okay.
Escaping the toxic culture of self-love.
And just to clarify, it's not a book about self-loathing or why self-loathing is better, but why God's love is profoundly more satisfying than superficial self-love.
So definitely check it out.
But we talked about in the book, this new age idea that I think is infiltrating the church and in particular women's ministries.
And here's how it, here's how it manifests itself without even people realizing.
And so you read in something like Girl, Wash Your Face, that the most important thing is your journey to your inner self, and that underneath all of society's expectations and your insecurities and your self-consciousness is this perfect inner goddess.
And this is not what they say explicitly, but this is the underneath of these kinds of self-love books.
It's this perfect inner goddess.
And that if you just journey to find yourself, you find your true authentic self, no matter what people say, if you can brush off the patriarchy and capitalism and all these unjust systems that are holding your true goddess self back, then finally you'll manifest goodness.
You'll manifest good things in your life.
You'll finally be happy and healthy and chase after your goals.
Well, as I like to say, the self can't be both the problem and the solution.
So if you're going to read one of these books because you're like, ma'am, my life is in shambles and I'm looking for something to make it better because, you know, I've got these bad character traits or these things in my life, whatever.
Well, you can't go deeper inside yourself to find the solution that is also in yourself.
You have to go outside of yourself, namely into the God who made you, who provides the satisfaction and fulfillment that you're trying and failing to find inside yourself.
And that's just one part of Christianity, ultimately, why Christianity sets itself apart from something like Buddhism, which is ascending to a higher self, which is, by the way, I know I'm going to make some people mad.
That's perfect.
But some people don't understand that that is also the philosophy that is behind something like the Enneagram.
The Enneagram was created by New Age philosophers who believed in ascending to your true self and that personality types would help you get there.
I'm not slamming all personality tests as completely destructive.
Just be a female thing.
But just understand that that is the philosophy behind a lot of these things to understanding your true self and knowing who you really are.
That obsession, I've gotten so many emails from women saying, thank you for writing about this because I was so, I got an email from someone the other day who said, I was so obsessed with my Enneagram type that I could not read the Bible without thinking about that because I couldn't figure out which number I was.
That everything that I saw was I was trying to figure out the lens through which I should see the world rather than scripture.
I was thinking about my Enneagram type.
So it can become an idol, this New Age stuff for some people, and it clouds out their real faith.
But so those types of New Age movements, Buddhism, other kinds of religions, and a lot of other religions tell you how to ascend to God.
So climbing the proverbial hill to get to God, you have to do these things to make yourself holy enough to be God-like or to get to the top of the hill.
Christianity says, look, Ephesians 2, you're dead in your sin.
So if you're dead, you're not just a bad person.
You're dead in your sin.
You're helpless.
You're lifeless.
You're a corpse.
You're going to be buried.
And then Christ comes down the hill to rescue you and to make you alive.
That is the gospel.
Christianity is the only one who says you cannot ascend the hill.
There's no sacrifices that you can do.
There's no good that you can do.
There's nothing that you can do to make God love you.
God loves you because he created you and sent his son to die for you.
I'm going to get off my throne.
That's what Christmas is.
I got off my throne.
I came down and I rescued you because you could not save yourself.
Every other religion tells you how to ascend to God to save yourself.
God says, no, I'm getting off my throne, coming down to you to save you.
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A movie that was unintentionally, a great example of this, unintentionally, but it's a phenomenal movie where someone goes and serves, sacrifices, and dies so someone else might live is saving Private Ryan.
It's a perfect movie of a rescue mission.
Again, it's about actually amazing American heroism, but it's the gospel perfectly.
Yeah.
Right.
Where this is a guy, right, who's slated to be killed and all of his brothers are killed, right?
Who's going to go save him?
Well, someone who leaves a comfortable life and comes and then dies so he can live.
That's the gospel, right?
And isn't that interesting that those are the movies that we want to watch?
No one wants to watch the movie about cowards.
Like no one wants to watch the movie where you're clouting sacrifices.
Yes.
And all of the best war movies and a lot of just the best movies in general are about that redemption and are about that sacrifice.
Again, that speaks to the fact that our hearts are after the gospel, even freaking weirdos in Hollywood.
Well, of course.
And I mean, you look at two other movies that one was made by a guy who is a Christian.
I hear he's fun, to put it lightly, is Mel Gibson.
Braveheart dies.
Yeah.
Right.
With William Wallace literally died.
And then also Gladiator.
Yeah.
But that idea of sacrifice for something of a greater purpose.
Yeah.
That is a very, that resonates with us on a level that is more than anything we can even process.
Yeah.
There's a spiritual kind of rhythm to that.
Yeah, because we're made in the image of God.
And whether we admit it or not, we are all seeking after that.
We are all seeking after God in one way or another.
And our affinity for that sacrificial story is God created us with it as a tool to guide us to him.
So in closing here, let's kind of talk a little bit of politics.
Where do you see things?
You can take it any way you want.
Ooh, well, I'm a little, I don't know when this is coming out, but as I'm recording this, I am worried about the state of Georgia and how it is going to affect the state of the country.
And I'm really worried about if it doesn't go the way that, you know, Republicans and conservatives want it to go.
I'm worried about the legislation that's coming down the pipeline.
I don't think that Democrats care one bit that even if they push all the radical legislation that they want, that they're going to lose the majority in the House and the midterms, which they would.
I don't think they care.
I think that they are going to, you know, they're going to do whatever they can while they have the opportunity.
And we're talking about as much as they can, a radical reconstruction of our systems for the worse.
Like we've already seen with Biden's perspective picks for his administration that he is much more concerned with intersectionality and narratives about economic and environmental justice and injustice than he is about actually getting anything done that's good for the country.
And Donald Trump, you know, whatever people think about certain parts about Donald Trump, one thing I really liked about him is that he cared about getting things done.
He cared about having effective cabinet picks.
And I really do think, like, you did a panel with about China earlier at SAS that I just thought was incredible.
And there is no worse man for this moment than Joe Biden when it comes to a threat like China and when it comes to our domestic needs.
And with all of the personality traits that Donald Trump has, he was the right man for the moment.
And I'm worried about the shift of going back into the Obama years, except worse.
But, you know, for such a time as this, we'll figure it out.
Well, your voice is more important than ever before in this moment.
The title of the book is You're Not Enough.
And that's okay.
And that's okay.
I got this.
Escaping the toxic culture.
I only ask you just because I always screwed up.
I think I did it in our first interview.
I totally screwed it up.
I was like, you're not okay.
You're not okay.
And that's enough.
Yeah, I said that I said.
Yeah.
Well, I guess that's no, that's not really true.
It's a little pink book.
Guys can read it.
It is kind of geared towards women, but it is a little pink book.
Well, I want to compliment you, though, because this, and I meant to chime in, but you were doing a phenomenal job detailing it.
This kind of self-love women's ministry culture in a lot of mega churches.
And it's really interesting, particularly in the South.
This is growing like crazy.
I don't know if you've seen that or not as well, but especially in Georgia and Alabama and Texas, there is a massive movement of this kind of Oprah style theology.
So Oprah theology is like, well, there's a God, but we'll never know him.
And he's ambivalent and you don't pray.
You just kind of exist and meander and, you know, we'll go buy a bunch of lotions and something, like whatever.
Essential oils, Charlie.
It's essential oils.
I don't know what a mimeogram is.
Okay.
Whatever that thing.
I meant to interrupt you.
I've no idea.
Enneagram.
It's a personality test.
Is it like horoscope?
Well, it's similar, but defenders of the Enneagram will get really mad if you call it that.
What is it?
What is it?
Is it Emmeagram?
Enneagram.
You see, we're learning.
Yeah.
It's personality.
It's personality type.
It's very popular.
Is it very popular?
Did they like roll dice and stuff?
Or is it like they fill out things?
No, I bet Erica's probably taking it.
I've taken the test.
I guarantee Erica can tell you.
What's your numbers?
I don't even know.
No, I'm not a three.
I'm not a three because I'm not an accomplisher.
One through nine.
Let me ask you this last question, though, about that.
Why do you think women are more likely to do that than men?
I've never even heard of it.
Yeah.
Well, because I think that we are, and I mean this in a really good way.
God made us this way.
We're more emotional creatures.
Like we really want to empathize and understand.
And that includes ourself.
But the Bible doesn't really call us to that kind of like self-understanding journey.
Not that it's bad to understand how we work and the personality and the gift that God gave us.
I think that's all well and good.
But when we obsess over that kind of thing, like the self becomes the idol.
And it's like that girl who emailed me.
It's like, you're not even able to see the world through a biblical lens.
And what is God calling me to?
But what is appropriate for my personality type?
The Enneagram was created by a freaking lunatic who was, I'm not kidding.
He says he was visited by a demon who told him how to create this whole thing.
And so it's crazy, but it's infiltrated the church.
Like churches are using this stuff.
I'm like, is the word of God not sufficient for self-understanding?
I don't know.
Yeah, women are attracted to it, I think, for that reason.
And a lot of women weren't taught theology.
It's like, oh, men need the hard stuff.
And women just kind of need to be told that you're not fat or something like that.
Like, that's our biggest problem in the world is that we're insecure about our bodies.
And so every book that we read and every sermon that we hear is just about how society is so bad and we have been oppressed.
And all you need to know is that Jesus is there to tell you that your hair looks pretty.
It's like, no, woman, your biggest problem is men's biggest problem, that you're a sinner who's going to stand before a holy God one day.
And if Jesus Christ is not your justification, then your destination is the same as any sinner.
That's the woman's biggest problem, just like anyone else's.
And if we're not taught proper theology and soteriology, then we're destined, destined for hell, just like anyone else.
I tell people, and we say this on our podcast, the best way I can get people's attention about the gospel is you will die one day, no matter how hard you try.
Do you know what's going to happen next?
Yeah.
If the answer is no, then I hope you look into this podcast and others like it.
Yeah, definitely.
But I was told that if you wore a mask, that you'll never die.
Oh, is that the new marker of the emergency?
Yes, that's well, the God of scientism told me that.
Yes.
So, yeah.
That is the new, that is the new religion.
That's the new doctrine.
Yeah.
Yes.
And patron Saint Anthony Fauci is.
You know what's amazing?
Is that there is more truth about epidemiology in the Bible than anything Dr. Fauci has ever said.
No, it's interesting.
You look at the rabbinical laws, washing your hands before eating.
I can't say I've ever thought about this.
Quarantining the sick.
It's in Leviticus.
Leviticus 3, right, Andrew, or something?
Leviticus, which is if someone in your community or something is sick, remove them.
They understood germ theory before anyone else.
And the earth, not the earth, the Bible has more insights into a spherical earth.
I mean, the Bible is a scientific document just as much as anything else.
Yeah.
When I say that, the secular angels, but they've never read the Bible.
Yeah.
They don't know that, but that's another discussion for another time.
Yeah, yeah.
That's interesting.
Ellie, thank you for joining us.
And your podcast is relatable.
And it's on Blaze TV.
You can get it anywhere you listen to podcasts.
It's terrific.
All right.
Thank you, Ellie.
Thank you.
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