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Nov. 13, 2020 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Six Surefire Signs of Voter Fraud with Trump Data Analyst Matt Braynard
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Matt Brainard Joins The Show 00:02:45
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
We are here with Matt Brainard, who is the head of the Voter Integrity Project and former head of data for President Donald Trump.
Matt, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Illegal Ballots And Signatures 00:07:20
Thank you.
I'm glad to be here.
So we have done extensive coverage here on our program to the best of our abilities, let's put it that way, trying to analyze the irregularities that we have been seeing in the vote tallies in the last week and a half.
Can you just walk us through what you're doing?
You have raised some money online to look into exactly what has happened in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
And then I want to get into some of the specifics.
Sure.
We are reviewing raw data from six of these pivotal states to look for anomalies.
And our current strategy is to, we've got six different programs we're running each of these states through, six different ways of detecting potentially illegal ballots being cast.
In addition to that, we are becoming kind of a resource for different litigation teams to just have questions and being able to quickly give them answers and also running down a lot of the, I would say, maybe rumors or accusations that are flying around, trying to validate some of them or if they turn out not to be true, dispute them.
So our team's very busy with all of our activities.
But thankfully, while what we're doing is very expensive, the folks who care about this election integrity have contributed, as of now, I mean, just so much money to us through GIFSINGO.
And this project didn't exist more than a week ago.
It was just an idea I had a week ago.
And suddenly here we are with nine staffers at my headquarters, basically my apartment, crunching through numbers and coordinating with about half a million phone calls we've already made.
And, you know, it just keeps growing.
So can you walk us through what the methodology of what you're looking into?
Why is what you are doing so different than what any other effort would be doing?
And at least from a 30,000-foot view, do you think that there was some foul play in regards to this election?
Well, this all started with the idea of running six different methods to try to detect potential fraud.
I'll give you one for an example, okay?
There is the National Change of Address database.
Anytime somebody moves, they want their mail forward, they fill out a card.
The Postal Service puts that into a database and then sells it.
It's very expensive.
What we've done is match that up against people who've cast early or absentee ballots in these target states.
And we're following up with these people via phone to ask them if they actually cast those ballots or not.
Because if somebody was organizing a voter fraud operation, they would have requested ballots for or tried to cast ballots for people who haven't voted in a long time.
One of the reasons you may not have voted in a long time is because you moved away.
And we're actually finding people who have told us that, look, I'm willing to sign an affidavit.
And we're collecting statements from them, sign statements under penalty of perjury, saying that, no, I did not cast a ballot, even though according to the state, a ballot has been cast in their name.
And that's a red flag.
And all of our programs are designed to find these red flags and turn them over to the campaign's lawyers.
We're working with the campaign's attorney teams in three states currently, and that may be expanding.
So each of those methods sort of has that approach where we're not putting, you know, you've seen a lot of theories and charts and graphs and maps suggesting that this theory proves that something happened.
But I don't think that might indicate a problem.
But what we're looking for are living, breathing human beings who said, I did not cast that ballot, or I mailed my ballot back and the state didn't count it, who will sign affidavits, who can go into a courtroom or stand on a rally stage.
Yeah, so we're seeing that quite often.
My question, though, is also, why has the Department of Justice not done this type of work that you're doing?
I mean, isn't that what our government's supposed to do, which is follow up to see if illegal ballots are actually being cast?
You know, that's, I don't have the answer to that question.
There's all kinds of other parties who could be doing this.
And a lot of this analysis could have happened before Election Day because the Secretary of States in all of these states release in advance of the election the list of people who've requested absentee ballots or voted or those who've returned them and people who voted early.
So all this data has been out there.
It's just, you know, sometimes there's a vacuum and somebody's got to step in and fill it.
And me and my team are happy to do that.
Yeah.
So you said on Twitter you're doing Pennsylvania and Georgia NCOA call centers wrap tonight.
Can you share at all how these calls are going?
Are you, you know, what you're looking into or like what you've been finding or any progress that you've been making?
Sure, sure.
So again, we've got six different tests, six different methods we're running.
Three of them are dependent on call centers reaching out to people to confirm whether they cast a ballot or whether they request an absentee ballot or whether or not they returned the absentee ballot that was sent to them.
And so far, we are turning up people who are willing to attest and sign statements that are contrary to what the state has on record.
So both Georgia and Pennsylvania have yielded quite a few folks, I would say about a few hundred now, who've said that I did not cast that ballot, even though it's been marked as such.
And we're getting returns in from Nevada today.
And just looking at my chart over here.
Pretty much every all six states are running through that NCOA program.
And we've got, again, two other programs that are running, reaching out to people.
For example, we're looking into precincts that had extremely high Democrat turnout, like crazy high, more than citizen voting age population per the census.
And we're looking at people who've never voted before, either because they registered 10 years ago with a driver's license and they just didn't care enough to vote, or they registered very recently, which is, you know, people talk about ballot harvesting, but that's only one side of a coin.
The other side of that coin is registration harvesting.
And they're usually done by the same operation.
So if somebody just registered and just voted early absentee, we're reaching out to them.
We've matched cell phones to all of those folks.
And we're reaching out to a sample of them, about 30 to 40,000 in each of these states saying, hey, did you actually cast that ballot or not?
And I've gotten the initial results today.
And we're actually having people saying, no, I did not cast that ballot.
So again, the next step is our in-house team is reaching out to these individuals to try to get them to sign declarations under penalty of perjury to that.
And we just pipeline that over to attorneys and other people on the president's team and other parties who are interested in litigating and publicizing this.
Yeah, or the Department of Justice.
It'd be great if they actually were calling people to see if their ballots correlated with who they were.
Or even the state agencies.
So we saw in Pennsylvania a 1,774% increase in voter registration for 90-plus year-olds.
Is that correct?
Some people have been sending that around.
We've been talking about that a lot.
Did we really see that kind of acceleration with voter registration for people over 90 in Pennsylvania?
Requesting Ballot Resumes 00:14:00
You know, I've got a whiteboard right next to me of all of these things that we're running down and trying to analyze, and that's also on it.
So again, our team's focusing initially on these six methods that I've sort of described, at least initially here with you.
But there are a lot of other rumors we're looking at.
We're also looking at one of the others that there are many ballots that are recorded as having been received before they were mailed out by the state of Pennsylvania.
So there's all of these anomalies.
And these are not necessarily evidence of fraud, but they make it look like something has happened.
And on one hand, you might think, oh, maybe this is just data entry error by county clerks.
But when it happens at the scale that I've seen, it suggested that it's happening.
It certainly raised a red flag.
And it's something we're going to run down internally here.
What I find most interesting about what you're doing is that your whole team is just private citizens that's trying to find out if our elections have been compromised.
This is truly a citizen-led project for the betterment of our republic.
It's not, you know, and you guys are putting yourself out there in a very admirable and I would argue, you know, very much a heroic way.
You know, we've been covering this a lot on our program of all the different anomalies that we've been seeing, all the counting that was stopping in Atlanta, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and Detroit, the massive undervote, how many people that voted just for Joe Biden.
And what I'm pleased to see, though, is that your operation is just trying to look at the numbers, go through it, you know, piece by piece and data point by data point, which I think is really great.
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Matt, you said you're doing six different methods to actually check for fraud in the key states.
What are the six methods?
Be happy to go through them.
As I mentioned initially, we have the NCOA method where we're reaching out to people who've moved, in many cases, moved out of state, yet the state has recorded that they've cast a ballot.
And we're calling all of them that we can get a phone match to to ask, hey, did you actually cast that ballot?
And many are saying, no, I did not.
And we're chasing them down to get statements from them.
The other method that I also described is we're reaching out to people who've historically never voted and asking them, hey, you live in a precinct that has, you know, 110% turnout versus citizen voting age population.
Biden got 99% of the absentee ballots in that district, if not 100.
Did you actually cast that ballot?
Because when you, you mentioned something earlier about ballots that were only cast for Joe Biden without any other votes on them.
In election administration terminology, that's known as an undervote.
And that doesn't on its own prove anything.
But if somebody was doing a ballot, fraudulent ballot operation, those ballots would still have to be cast in somebody's name and without their knowledge.
So that's an indication that those are areas where we might find people who will say, yeah, I did not cast that ballot.
The third method has to do with the unreturned absentees.
So we have a large number of people in every state who the states say they mailed an absentee to, but they didn't get it back.
And we're asking these people two questions.
The first question we're asking is, did you actually request that ballot?
Now, this doesn't apply to Nevada because they mailed everybody a ballot, but in the other states, you had to actually request it.
So we're asking individuals first, did you request the ballot?
If they said no, that's a red flag.
That means the election system put a ballot out there that was not requested and disappeared.
And we don't know where it may have shown back up.
The second question is if they did say I did request a ballot, we asked, did you return it?
And if they said yes, that's also a red flag because if they mailed it back, the state's not recording it and that vote didn't count.
What's particularly disappointing to me is that yesterday is Veterans Day and we're on the phone with veterans who fell into this category telling us they mailed their ballot back and we had to tell them, sorry, it didn't count.
Your vote didn't matter despite putting your life on the line for this country.
So we're, again, we're trying to raise the, we're going after these people whose ballots either shouldn't were cast by somebody else or they did cast them and they didn't count.
So those are the three programs that entail us actually having to reach out to people.
The other program we're running is we're looking very vigorously for double voters.
These are individuals who are registered to vote in multiple states and cast ballots in both states.
Our initial analysis in Pennsylvania looked at the adjacent states, not including New York, because that data wasn't available to us yet, to find people who we could match on first name, middle name, last name, date of birth, and even cell phone number.
And we found that they've cast ballots in two states.
And look, that's illegal.
And that's not really evidence necessarily of an organized mass voter fraud effort.
But a lot of voter fraud that's been discovered, it's just individuals doing things they shouldn't.
And that's one of them.
We're also running that analysis currently in Nevada.
There's a lot of Californians who we think may have cast ballots in both states.
The fifth, if you're still with me, I know it's going on a little bit, a little long, but the fifth method we're applying is we're looking at dead voters.
Now, I really am hoping the other people who have done the analysis and are showing large numbers would share their data with us because it's very hard actually in this country to determine who is on the voter roll and who is also dead.
We haven't found a tremendous number of people, but then when we reach out on our other programs, when we call and say, hey, we see a ballot was cast in this person's name and you moved away, we actually end up speaking to a widow and she says, well, our husband's been dead for years.
So we're finding false positives and false negatives.
The last method is actually something that's turning into maybe the most significant.
And that is where we are finding people who have cast ballots who are no longer eligible to cast ballots in those states.
I mentioned we looked up, we've bounced the voter rolls against the NCOA database.
Well, a lot of the people, if you've moved within state, okay, not a big deal.
But if you left your state, in many cases, you're no longer eligible to cast a ballot in that state.
So we're looking through all of these six states for folks who've moved out and are no longer eligible.
And hopefully later today, I'll be able to post the preliminary numbers on the number of people who cast ballots who may no longer be eligible.
And we're running each of those down with our attorneys that we partnered with with the campaign.
Well, those are six terrific methodologies.
I have some questions about all six of them.
My question about the dead voters.
There's some people that claim that 10,000 dead people have voted in Michigan and they've been circulating information.
We know there's at least 14,000 dead people on the voter rolls in Michigan.
We know that.
And in states where everyone gets a ballot mail, that makes it more likely that those ballots could be intercepted.
Right.
I think that the, I would like to talk to anybody who has shown that 10,000 and shared data methodology.
I have done a lot of looking into dead matches in this election and in others.
And what I often find is that there are people with similar or the same names and even same addresses.
And one's clearly dead and there's a death date, but they have a child who has the same name who also loses that address.
And this is something that I think needs a lot of rigor because it's very easy to come out for somebody to come out and say, hey, you said this person was dead.
And look, we found them.
And then that invalidates pretty much everything else you're saying.
So I would encourage anybody that's had those substantial numbers of dead people in a given state to reach out to me.
So I'd love to see their methodology and trade notes.
So I have a theory which I put my theoretical, hypothetical hat on where I was thinking, what would I do if I were the bad guys to try and cheat the system?
And I look at that number of 1,774% increase in voter registration numbers for 90-plus year-olds in the midst of a pandemic in Pennsylvania.
I pair that up with a lot of publicly available information and investigation of things called granny farming, where elderly nursing homes are really at risk for ballots coming and going and potentially intercepting these ballots.
Are you looking into that as well through a lot of your different methodology here?
It very well could be that the ballot was a legally cast ballot, but filled out by somebody else, or that they wouldn't even know it because they might be in an old person's home or they might be in a vulnerable state or condition.
Yeah, those are some good questions.
The methods that we've designed here are meant to detect when somebody has done ballot harvesting or cast ballots in someone else's name.
And it's important to remember that let's say an organized effort did say successfully cast like 10,000 votes through this method in a very dense precinct.
When we apply our methods, we're not going to find 10,000 people telling us that.
We're going to find maybe a few dozen.
But it's just like when you go to the doctor and you get a blood test, they don't take all the blood out of your body and test everything for a potential disease, right?
They take a very small sample, and in that, they find antibodies that might indicate GF COVID, right?
In the same way, when we detect a few people in an area that said that I didn't cast the ballot, that is an indication that something much more substantial happened.
In the same way, when we find these people who've moved away, we call them, they say, did you cast a ballot?
They said no.
It's not like somebody went around and just went after all the people who moved away and cast ballots for them.
They were simply casting mass ballots on behalf of people who haven't voted in a while.
And incidentally, they cast ballots for people who moved away.
And sometimes, incidentally, they cast ballots for people who are dead and have not yet been removed from the state's voter rolls.
So what we're finding are what we're finding are just indicators.
And what hopefully this will do is either in courtrooms or in legislatures with reform is put pressure to let the on the judges to order remedies that get it, you know, move the ball forward.
So like maybe opening up the ballot boxes and having a hand count or having signatures examined or having envelopes examined.
So this, what we're finding is hopefully going to put the pressure to get a remedy that gets you to the next step that gets you closer to being able to maybe definitively or beyond a reasonable doubt demonstrate fraudulent behavior.
Yeah, there's 10 or 12 pieces at play here.
There's the people that were counting the votes and doing so in secrecy.
There are the people that might have been throwing away Trump ballots.
There's the stopping of the counting.
There's the voter registration questions of are people registering to vote that shouldn't be and the acceleration of that.
There's where did all these ballots go?
And some people, I have to tell you, Matt, you know, we've had an open line and people have been emailing us.
We have 26,000 emails at freedom at charliekirk.com of people that have their own instances of voter fraud.
And some of these are incredibly compelling.
And they're not necessarily in your target states, but I'll just paraphrase one of them.
A woman in Oregon has a sister who's in the dementia unit of a hospital psych ward.
She did not request the ballot.
It shows on the Oregon Secretary of State website this woman who has not left the psych ward in six months, voted in the election, right?
Did not request the ballot, didn't vote.
Probably will never get looked into by the Oregon Attorney General, but somebody somewhere intercepted a ballot and did it on her behalf.
Now, we have lots of different examples of that, but the issue that I think a lot of people have, and maybe you can help build this out, is that all of this is super important.
However, there's a question about the actual tabulation, the Dominion voting systems, is there a hammer and scorecard?
Even if you find all of this, is there even a rigged way in tabulating these votes?
Are you looking into that as well?
Are you aware of it, or do you have any comments on that?
I'm aware because my inbox is also full of those types of stories and people raising the issue of the different voting equipment and potential for that equipment to have not tabulated accurately or been hacked.
So, that's why my hope is that at least our discoveries, if we find, you know, as we find things, and if we find things and we have found things, raise the pressure so that we can get manual counts.
I cast a ballot in Virginia.
It was tabulated by a machine, but it was actually on paper.
So, the machine, the machine ate, you know, was fed a sheet of paper.
And if there was a question in a very close election, well, you know, what I want to kind of the point here is very important: an illegitimate election is very bad and very dangerous, but just about as dangerous is the suspicion that the election was illegitimate.
Truth About Voter Fraud 00:13:10
That notion, widely held, is toxic to the democracy.
It kills countries.
It breaks countries apart.
So, what I think is important is that through all of this, that whether there was mass fraud or there wasn't, that the question gets answered.
So, that there are these manual counts.
There are these audits.
And Biden, I believe, is just as invested in this as President Trump in finding the accurate answer because he doesn't want to have half the country thinking that his entire presidency is illegitimate.
So, most of the people contributing to our cause and cheering us on are on the right.
But I think it's just as important that people on the left hope that we succeed in at least establishing one way or another whether or not this was a legitimate election.
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Yeah, and that's if you do not have, if you're not able to prove that you're a legitimate president, then as you say, you're going to have 70 million people that have no faith in the entire system.
And that's that it's only a matter of time before that begins to unravel in a way that none of us, you know, none of us are comfortable with.
And so we have lots of these stories that are coming in.
I want to ask you about all these different pieces that play together.
First of all, people say there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
It's nonsense because you're using an objective and a subjective term.
What does widespread even mean?
Widespread is such a subjective term.
I would argue we've already uncovered widespread voter fraud.
But according to the media, they give no statistical definition of what widespread actually means, which is very troubling.
And they just keep on throwing this out.
There's 182 pages we have here of prosecuted voter fraud of people in the last just couple of years.
You're aware of a lot of these different stories.
This happens.
I mean, and here's the other thing.
For example, if you and I just walked the streets in New York for 15 minutes prior to the virus, we wouldn't see evidence of money laundering.
We wouldn't see it.
We'd go into laundromats and restaurants.
Until you investigate it, that's when you'll start to find actually criminal activity that's happening.
A lot of crimes happen without you actually seeing them happen.
Until you start to look into it and you start to actually investigate it, then you'll actually be able to find it and bring it to the surface.
So, can you talk about the different pieces that are at play here?
It seems that you're very much focused on the absentee issue that historically never voted, the double voters, dead people voting, and the eligible voters.
But there's also an entire other component to this about how the votes are actually counted, about the human beings that are counting them, the late ballots that were arriving in Michigan.
There's sworn affidavits of people that say that there were thousands of ballots all with the same birthday, January 1st, 1900.
What are people supposed to make of this?
Well, I think that people should be very skeptical, but also be skeptical against ideas that are maybe ideas that they think are that they want to believe.
Don't fall for the Fox Molder syndrome of wanting to believe something and to be rigorous.
So, for example, it is true that there are a lot of people marked with the birthday January 1st, 1900.
Now, I've worked in election administration all over the country for probably the nation's top election administration redistricting firm, Election Data Services.
And I know that the way these systems work is often in the absence of a birth date, which is often the case, especially when an office transitions from one piece of software to another, that they fill it in with something, a default date.
And that's a common default date that gets filled in.
But while that itself is not evidence of fraud, that is evidence of a badly managed election system.
Charlie, I know you're a young guy.
You may not remember Florida in the year 2000, but there was also a controversial election there that determined the outcome of the presidency.
And what happened was because the election was close, all of the badly managed, bad practices of all of the election offices in Florida were laid bare.
And the dirty secret is that if any state's election was that close, you'd also find all kinds of similar problems.
Fortunately, most margins of victory in states are enough to overcome bad management, incompetence, user, you know, human error in these states.
Except now we've got six states with pretty close margins, very close margins.
And we're seeing all of these things that, you know, in many cases, maybe voter fraud, maybe small-time voter fraud.
Like I said, people double voting or casting ballots who aren't eligible, just self-initiated voter fraud, but also a tremendous amount of incompetence.
Like there are not accurate births.
Those are not accurate birth dates on the voter files.
That needs to be fixed.
And the problem is that so many on the left, the elected Democrats, are unwilling to make reforms to our election system that would remove the doubts that are currently burning the country down.
Yeah.
And if you don't have integrity in the system, then again, the system will actually fall apart.
Can you at least give us a little preview into what you're finding and just give us a little bit of an insight for our listeners into just some of the discovery you've been able to make so far?
Sure.
Our phone programs, the first two should be wrapping up with the next day or so.
They're almost all in the field or going in the field today.
And I look forward to the end of the week to sort of sharing the numbers that we found.
Usually the phone program takes about three nights to complete of dialing because we want to be thorough.
One of the most exciting things, though, or potentially significant things is we're finding a lot of people who may not be eligible to cast a ballot.
Like in the state of Georgia, the number of people who we at least with the number of people we believe who may not be eligible to cast a ballot is more than twice the margin of victory for Biden.
So we'll probably be releasing numbers later today across all six states of folks that we're beginning to investigate.
They moved out of state and may no longer be eligible for residency.
So I think that's probably the most exciting thing that we're pulling together.
And this is not the kind of thing that requires you to believe in a theory or look at a chart.
This is open and shut, establishing this person moved away.
You know, if you move out of Georgia and you establish residency anywhere else, either by registering to vote or claiming a homestead exemption, your ability to cast a ballot in Georgia is null.
Yet we have this population, twice the margin of victory, that may have done exactly that.
And do you find that in other states as well?
Yes, actually.
In all of the states, we found significant numbers of people who moved out and we're trying, you know, we're, again, we've got to be very thorough, but many of them will, you know, they moved away and we're trying to establish definitively whether or not, you know, so that you, so the attorneys can go into a courtroom. and say, look, this person clearly is in violation of the state's residency requirements, clearly not eligible to cast a ballot, and yet they did, and demand a remedy.
And those remedies can range from everything, you know, they can range from getting the access to voting machines to getting access to signatures, et cetera, et cetera.
So that's really our goal.
Essentially, we're doing some litigation support for the president's team and for others who may be walking into courtrooms trying to get to the truth.
I like that.
Matt, you've been walking through how important your work is.
How can people support what you're doing?
Well, we have a crowdfunding page at givesendgo.
That's givesendgo.com slash voter integrity.
And what's interesting is that, you know, when I first, this all started when I put a tweet up of, hey, here's some ways you could potentially identify voter fraud.
And at the time, I had about 200 followers on Twitter.
One guy retweeted it and then someone else did and someone else did and it just exploded.
And then someone said, well, you should set up a crowdfunding site.
We went up on gofundme.com.
We raised 220,000 in 24 hours and then they shut me down.
We then set up the new site, givesendgo.com slash voter integrity, and we more than recovered that.
We're just crusting half a million right now and others are giving through different channels to just, you know, to help us out.
And the reason this is so important is that these call centers are expensive.
We spent, now we're tracking on $106,000 on data, and it looks like we're going to be spending another potentially $100,000 on data.
We spent over $300,000 already on call centers, and we are probably going to have to spend much more than that.
So it's just incredible to see the outpouring of this.
And people, you know, some people, you know, they might really want to see a particular answer, but what most people want more than anything is the truth.
And we're going to deliver the results of our findings regardless of what they show.
And I'm just very excited to be able to do this because no one has ever done this before.
No one has ever done an investigation the way we've done it.
It's just been an open question.
So now we have the opportunity to do it.
And we look forward to getting those results out.
Well, that's terrific.
I encourage everyone to go to givesendgo.com slash voter integrity.
Is that right?
Yep.
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And you can find me there at Matt Brainerd.
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So outside of supporting you, how else can people get involved in this fight?
Where do you think is the biggest way that people with energy that really want to see this election end correctly, How can they best get involved?
Look, this answer is probably going to disappoint a few people, but here's the truth is that in addition to potential voter fraud here, potential voter fraud, one thing the Democrats did for the last four years is they organized.
They registered a lot of new people.
They engaged, they turned out.
And this is something that the Republicans have never gotten their arms around.
So if this troubles you, this outcome, I would encourage you to organize with your local party, organize with C3s, to engage the patriotic voter, the blue-collar or rural voters who've been disaffected, and try to find ways to get those people registered and get them to turn out in the next election, because that's ultimately, I think, what's going to have the most lasting impact is to catch up with the Democrats and their voter registration and turnout operations.
Well, and I just want to kind of ask one question, though.
There are 30 million people, though, that believe President Trump will be inaugurated on January 20th and this whole thing is going to be reversed.
Do you have any comments on that?
Or what do you think just looking at the landscape, the likelihood of something, you know, a reversal in the current trends are based on all the data that you have available?
I think that if I think that depending on what we find, especially with the people casting invalid ballots and how sharp those attorneys are, I'm not an attorney.
I think that there's a possibility of that.
There is a real possibility of that.
I don't think that Biden won these pivotal states by nearly enough of a margin to put the idea that closer scrutiny isn't warranted.
So you never know what can happen here.
And with a mixture of all these different types of potential fraud, it all adds up.
Like you said, you have 15, 20 in every area, but I know, I mean, there's massive amounts of evidence to show a ballot for cash scheme that was happening in all these different states.
Well, Matt, thank you so much for joining our program and keep up the great work.
Keep diving deep into all this.
And we're going to make sure that, you know, we stay on top of this.
So come back when you have even deeper and better news.
Thank you very much.
Happy to be here.
Great.
Thanks, Matt.
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