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Nov. 3, 2020 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Election 2020: State By State, Race By Race with John Solomon
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Final Election Prediction 00:03:28
Hey, everybody, it's election day.
My final election prediction is this.
If we show up, we win.
The early voting numbers are in striking distance.
If every American listening to this podcast right now shows up, votes, get your friends, families, and everyone in your social circle to do the same, President Donald Trump gets re-elected as President of the United States.
Post on social media, text your friends.
It's now a turnout game.
We have done our job laying the groundwork in the framework.
President Trump is in the margin of error.
If we show up in record numbers in a way that the activist media never could imagine, President Donald Trump will win four more years.
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Peace between Israel, Sudan, Bahrain, and the UAE.
The border wall is finally being built on the southern border, and so much more.
President Donald Trump is worthy of your vote and your support.
I have a conversation about this with John Solomon where we go through some Senate races and some House races.
All this is changing very quickly.
And as this episode drops, it's Election Day.
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So here's my conversation with the great John Solomon about this.
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So you've been out in the trail a lot.
Which America Do You Want 00:08:10
I know you've been doing a lot of work for the president and his campaign and getting out and talking to people.
Where do you think America stands at this 24 hours out before election day?
Yeah, I'm not going to make any big bold predictions like some people say that Trump's going to win with 330 electoral votes.
Some people say Trump's going to lose to Biden with 330 electoral votes.
I see lots of different pieces of data, and I'll also pair that with what we're seeing on the ground.
President Trump's done very well with early voting across the country.
The late surge of voter registration numbers in the states that matter is very positive for the president.
And also, that Des Moines register poll over the weekend, that should be a fire alarm for Democrats.
I mean, Biden hitting a ceiling of 41% Trump opening a seven-point lead and breaking with independents.
I was on the phone with a really good friend of mine who's run national campaigns.
I won't say his name, but you would know who it is.
And we were both chatting on Saturday, two hours before the Des Moines Register poll, and we both said, We're seeing it in the ground.
When are we going to see it in the data?
Because polling is always not a leading indicator, it's a lagging indicator, which is a week behind.
Oh, yeah, it's about a week behind.
And so, because we've been doing these rallies, we've been doing a lot outside of the campaign at Turning Point Action, just trying to fill in the pieces where we think the campaign doesn't have the coverage to do everything.
And we have been seeing so many stories, John, of people that come up to us and they say, I was a Democrat, now I'm a Trump supporter, and I didn't vote in 2016.
And when you hear that a couple thousand times, you wonder if that's if that are you is it as confirmation bias?
Are you seeing something that you want to see?
Or could it actually mean that the pollsters are missing something?
And then all of a sudden, you're starting to see the polls now correlate.
Three out of the last four polls in Pennsylvania show President Trump up in Pennsylvania.
Early voting numbers in every state, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, Georgia, Ohio, are favorable to the president versus 2016.
So, look, the president could win, the president could lose, but I reject this kind of Nate Silver way of approaching it where he says 90% chance I wouldn't handicap the odds like that.
I think it's a coin toss, and I think it's a turnout game on election day.
Yeah, I think you're exactly right.
And I think anyone who thinks it's a 90% likelihood is not taking a really serious look at it.
The late energy, when you look at these rallies and you look at not only the size and the energy of the rally, but the makeup of the rally, you see lots of Hispanics, lots of African Americans.
I see a lot of young people, which we keep being told young people are just breaking from the Republican Party.
It seems as though a very eclectic coalition has come together and got energized by the president's last run of campaign rallies.
Are you seeing the same thing?
Totally.
And for good reason, the president is on the right side of these lockdowns.
The lockdowns have really hurt American families.
And I think the Democrats have completely misanalyzed this.
Young people don't want their country locked down for another nine months.
They can't survive that.
And neither do Hispanics or blacks who own a lot of small businesses and they're first-time first-generation business owners, a very important distinction, where they've put their entire intergenerational wealth into a laundromat or a restaurant or into just a corner shop.
And they can't survive another couple months of shutting the country down.
And if you have seen, you've seen, John, as the president has been on the right side on the lockdown issue, his numbers of independents, women, Hispanics, and blacks have improved.
The second, that issue, I think, has actually really benefited him.
Yeah, no, it's going to be interesting because that'll be one place where the pollsters will have had it totally wrong, right?
Because they keep saying the president's weakness is COVID.
And I think we're going to find out, there's a strong possibility we're going to find out that that isn't the case.
When you look at the other issues that are resonating, and every election turns down to a singular question at the end of the day, it seems in the last couple of weeks in the polling data I'm seeing that the question that Americans are going to decide this election on is which America do you want to live in?
Do you want to live in the locked down socialist trending, violent anarchist ways of what we see in Philadelphia, Portland, Chicago?
Or do you want to live in the prosperous ways that we had just before COVID struck?
Do you think that that is the message going in?
And that's the question upon which voters are going to make their decision tomorrow.
Yeah.
And I also think that for the 8% to 10% of people that are undecided, which is an incredibly high number, we have to understand that's hundreds of thousands of human beings in the battleground states.
If you don't hate Trump by now, then you're waiting for a Trump, you're waiting for a reason to vote for Trump.
That's what I'm going to say.
If by after all of the deluge of misinformation and just bad reporting towards the president, you're still not in the category of anti-Trump, then you're waiting to break in that direction.
You just might not like his style and you might not like some things that he tweets.
But the president has been on message.
His rallies have been phenomenal.
He keeps on saying a similar message, which is, I'm going to protect the American dream.
Let's get back to our normal way of life.
Our country can be great again.
And in a very interesting turn of events, he's almost saying the same thing he said in 2016 because of the lockdowns.
He's not really running on an incumbent message.
He's kind of running as a challenger message because of all of the very unpredictable nature of the last six to nine months.
It's really noticeable.
Yeah.
He's like challenging the status quo.
And I think to myself, you're flying on Air Force One challenging the status quo.
And again, if the media had any sort of integrity outside of your wonderful website, that's just an interesting story to cover.
Regardless if you love or hate him, is that the president is running as if he's challenging the incumbent, which he kind of is.
He's challenging a predominant viewpoint, right?
So he's challenging an orthodoxy.
He's challenging a singular point of view that you must shut down your country.
We must now go back the ways of France, Germany, and the United Kingdom where we lock everything down.
We must go do what Charlie Baker is doing in Massachusetts, where he says, if you leave your home between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m., just announced, you're in violation of state orders.
America does not want that.
We know how this virus operates.
We know who's at risk.
We know what we have to do to help them.
Death rates and hospitalization rates are down.
Cases are up because we have more testing and cases.
I think is a completely irrelevant statistic.
And people want their life back.
They want their schools open, their economy open.
And I think there is an understatement.
And the polling shows this.
The polling shows that even people who don't like Trump know he's better on the economy.
They know that.
And every week that goes by, and all of a sudden you start to see the mortgage payments are due again.
And you start to see that, you know, the credit card bills are coming.
And you think to myself, maybe I'm going to vote for the guy who I think's a jerk, but he'll get us back to rising wages and our country being open.
Don't discount that, especially.
And this is a really awesome thing, a really interesting point, I should say.
The president has been on offense.
There's not really been a negative story where the president's had to play defense in the last two weeks.
You have the Hunter-Biden FBI investigation, 33.1% GDP growth, Lil Wayne endorsing President Trump, or at least saying very positive things about President Trump.
The president has really had like two weeks of uninterrupted time to pitch the American people.
And Biden doesn't have any, he's not countering it.
He's just saying, time to pack your bags, Trump.
Like we got that point.
Okay.
Are you going to say anything new or exciting that will get people to your column?
Yeah, it's absolutely fascinating to watch the last two weeks of the race.
I don't think I've ever, and I've covered every race since 84.
I don't think I've seen a candidate play it as safe as Joe Biden ever in the history of presidential politicians.
I mean, there's a real danger that if people interpret that playing it safe as disinterested, overconfident, or simply he's given up, that's going to weigh against him heavily on election day.
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What are the states you're looking to watch tomorrow?
I mean, where is your eye going to be laser focused on?
Well, I have about 15 or 20 counties that I'll be focused on because we've been doing work in those counties.
We've been up with advertisement and turning with our 501c4 turning point action.
And so we're going to really be looking at a couple counties.
I'll be first and foremost super interested in Mahonic County, which is eastern Ohio.
I think the president will win Ohio, but I think this is a bellwether.
If the president shows he's doing better in that county than he did in 2016, I think he's going to win everything.
If he's doing worse, then we're going to have, I think he'll have a more difficult road.
But the areas that I'm going to be most interested even more are the urban areas.
I think that the pathway for Trump is: can he do a little bit better with blacks, do better with Hispanics, and how many are actually going to turn out.
And if I was a Democrat strategist, I'd be very worried at the lower voter turnout we've seen out of the urban centers.
The only exception is the vote by mail in Philadelphia.
That's the only place they've done better.
But those are high-propensity voters and newly registered voters, which are most likely to vote.
Are we going to see 08 or 2012-style turnout in Philadelphia like we did when Obama ran, where they had lines all the way to New Jersey?
Probably not.
I don't feel that excitement.
I don't see that excitement.
And the riots and the looting in Philadelphia do not help Joe Biden at all.
Yeah, it's going to have a backlash, not to mention the blue-collar workers in Philadelphia.
They love President Trump, the police officers, their families, the kind of middle-class work ethic of kind of suburban, almost suburban-urban Philadelphia, I think is really going to benefit the president.
And then the president then has to run up the score in rural Pennsylvania.
He has to outdo his numbers in Oil City, in Montoursville, in Erie, Pennsylvania.
I'm going to be looking at.
And then I'll be very interested.
Scranton, Pennsylvania.
President Trump almost won Scranton back in 2016.
Is there going to be kind of a hometown homecoming for Joe Biden who hasn't been there in 65 years?
We'll see.
Then I'm going to look in Florida for Miami-Dade County in particular, and then Collier County, which is very, very Republican and a lot of seniors.
I think the president carries Florida.
I think he's going to do it in convincing fashion, which means you win by one point.
That's a blowout in Florida.
Yeah, in Florida, that is a blowout.
And then I'll be interested.
And then I'll be very interested.
I mean, I care a lot about Arizona.
We're headquartered there.
We've spent a bunch of money and time there.
Maricopa County will determine the entire state.
If the president can win independence and run up the score with Republicans, he's going to win the state of Arizona.
He's going to run up the score in Habasu, Billhead City, in Wickenburg, all those other rural parts of the state.
Yeah, Prescott, all of that.
And so, look, there's kind of a collection of 15 or 20 counties that will determine everything.
But I am really curious if the Democrats' overconfidence and the lack of a ground game, they have no ground game.
Are they going to be able to generate long lines in urban America to offset what is going to happen tomorrow?
And if all polling is even close to correct, 70% of people that goes to go to the polls tomorrow are going to vote for Donald Trump.
Now, some people say that's not enough, but the president did record very well in early voting.
So there's a path.
And I don't think, I think the most likely state to break is Pennsylvania.
Yeah, that's the one that I think everyone studying the data right now.
It looks like it's really in play.
And I think all the energy and all the time that the president has spent there the last couple of weeks, of course, Joe Biden has showed up a few times now too, tells you that that state is clearly in play and probably the one that we'll be hanging on to and maybe even going to court to look at.
When you look at young voters, obviously you've created one of the great youth movements in America.
I want to say youth, young adult movements in America.
Where do you think millennials come out of this election?
They seem to be steadily in the blue corner, which means 10 years from now, 20 years from now, there could be a big change.
Are you seeing any dynamic changes in that?
And are there changes like among young African Americans?
One of the things I'm seeing in our polling data is that young African Americans are becoming more Republican, more Trump than either their parents or their grandparents.
Are you seeing some of that?
And what are you looking at in the millennial vote?
Yeah, we are.
I've never said, I don't think that Trump will win the millennial vote.
I think he'll do better, though.
I really do.
I think that the president will do better amongst younger voters that are starting to try to build a life and actually are starting to see a lot of the financial costs of living outside of just a college bubble.
I think the president is going to actually win 18 to 22-year-olds in certain states.
I think the president's going to do really well with younger voters in Wisconsin, in Ohio, and in some of the southern states.
The reason is this, is that some of these college campuses are completely closed.
Voter registration is down 94% at Ohio State University.
Typically, a Democrat can count on 7,000 to 10,000 votes from Michigan State University no matter what.
Just mail it in.
They're basically closed.
There's no campusing.
There's no GO TV.
And a lot of those are out-of-state voters.
That's transfer growth.
That's coming from Indiana to Michigan State or Illinois to Michigan State.
And they re-register.
That's completely off the table through Zoom class and kind of shutting down campuses.
However, I'll say this: the conservatives, no matter where they are, the young conservatives, they will vote.
And we are starting to see data that young conservatives are way more enthused to turn out.
They're less likely to publicly profess or proclaim their support.
And I think a lot of the pollsters are going to be very surprised when they start to see some of these college districts be a lot more competitive for the president.
Again, I'm not a guy who's going to say that Trump's going to win the youth vote.
I don't think that's going to happen.
I think that they'll naturally get more conservative as they get older.
But also keep an eye on Hispanics.
I think that President Trump might actually win Hispanics in Florida, Texas, and Arizona.
You're starting to see record movement, especially with 30 to 45-year-old Hispanics that are very much invested in the American way of life.
And what do you think it is that has made him suddenly resonate with this constituency?
We're seeing it here.
We see it in a couple of places, but we see it in younger African Americans and under the age of 40.
And we're seeing it in Hispanics, particularly middle-aged Hispanics, men and women.
What do you think are the sudden synergy points?
And what does this mean for the Republican Party long term?
Yeah, I'll start with the black community.
At Turning Point USA, we really did a lot the last couple of years to try and draw attention to kind of this black exodus from liberal thinking.
And Candace Owens has done a lot on this.
Brandon Tatum, they were on the cutting edge of this.
And you're starting to actually see that this is turning into a real thing.
This is not just conservative popcorn.
This is going to be real substance.
And I'll say this.
I think that the president deserves a lot of credit, though.
He deserves credit because he's actually asking blacks for their vote.
He's going into their communities.
He's meeting with rappers.
He's unafraid to continue to ask for black Americans to support him despite all the names that President Trump has called.
One of my favorite storylines of this election, if it proves to be true, what I think is going to happen is that white liberals don't vote for Trump because they think he's a racist, but black Americans get him reelected.
I just, I can't wait to, I don't know if that's going to happen.
A lot of the data is trending that way.
But if black Americans even vote for Trump in 10 to 15%, it's a win for President Trump.
He wins decisively.
And I will say this: with young, with younger Hispanics and younger blacks, I think that they believe the overly the over-dogmatic positioning of the Democrat Party, where it's you're not a black person if you don't support Democrat policies.
It's insulting.
And for free-thinking young people, they don't want to be told what to do.
And they know that that is such a poor argument.
And quite honestly, it's kind of racist to tell somebody that.
Maxine Waters came out and said that I will never forgive black Trump supporters.
I don't know what's going on in their heads.
It's actually going to have the reverse effect.
You're going to have black males that are going to be like, you can't tell me what to do.
Like, I'm going to support Trump just because you're saying that.
Yeah, it is remarkable.
And I think there is that moment of boomerang.
And so, you know, President Trump's got eight.
I think the best that any Republican ever did was 10% of the black vote with George Bush in 2004.
If he breaks beyond that, if he goes 10, 11, 12%, which some polls are now showing him at, it will be a real problem for Democrats.
They won't have a pathway to victory.
That's how significant the shift could be.
When you look at the Senate races, House races, anything that you're looking for in the bellwether races here, it looks like Joni Ernst is going to be safe in Iowa.
You're going to pick up, the Republicans are going to pick up Alabama.
All right.
Doug Jones is probably not going to win.
Where else are you watching for bellwether races on Tuesday night?
I got a sleeper one for you.
The Minnesota Senate race.
I think the Minnesota Senate race can flip.
I'm seeing early voting numbers that are phenomenal.
And for a lot of the suburban voters that don't like Trump, but they want a Republican check on the riots and the anarchy.
I think his name's Jason Lewis.
He's running up against Senator Smith.
He's an incumbent congressman.
Unfortunately, he couldn't campaign the last couple of days because he had a medical issue.
I think he's back on the trail now.
But that's a sleeper.
Don't be surprised because the Iron Range is now reliably Republican.
He's been working that district.
He's well liked in the suburban areas of Minneapolis.
It's a one-point race, John.
It's a one-point race according to the latest local polling there.
I love the sleeper races.
I like those the most because all the national money has been, and this is, if he wins, it will be the ultimate overconfidence of political strategy I've ever seen.
They've pumped $80 million to try to defeat Lindsey Graham.
Guess what?
Lindsey Graham is going to win by eight to 10 points tomorrow evening.
I hate to break it to you.
Your hatred will not turn into his defeat.
Yeah, I think Senator Perdue will win in Georgia because President Trump, I think, bailed him out last evening in Rome, Georgia.
John Ossip has run a really good campaign.
Kudos to him.
Yeah, I'm impressed with him.
He's just, I don't think the state's there yet.
And I say that as a Republican.
He's run a really, really good race.
I hope the state never gets there.
I hope Tom Tillis comes across the finish line.
North Carolina is traditionally one of the hardest states to poll because it's such a diverse state.
You have three big urban areas, Asheville, Raleigh, and Charlotte.
You got Western North Carolina, which is super conservative, and Eastern North Carolina, which is super conservative.
So it's just hard to put all that together.
But I think Tom Tillis has a chance of pulling it off.
I hate to say this.
I think Corey Gardner's done.
I think that Hicken Looper is going to win.
Susan Collins, impossible state to poll.
She might pull it off.
She really might because that state's a one-third Republican, one-third Independent, one-third Democrat.
She knows her state.
She got a great machine.
She knows what it's going to take for her to win.
She'll know early whether or not she's going to win or not.
And I think the president's going to help her in banger in CD2.
And then I think Martha McSally might pull it off in Arizona.
I really do.
I'm seeing some really good polling of her finishing strong.
I wouldn't have told you that a week ago.
I know Martha, she's a friend of mine.
I really hope she closes it out.
Democrats are not going to win in Texas.
They're not going to win in Kentucky.
These were all really, these are Hollywood-funded pipe dreams where these people come in and they raise $20 million.
Please continue to go waste money on these races.
And then John James, I don't know.
John James got a tough race there.
I don't know if he's going to be able to pull it off.
Yeah, the Michigan Senate race, exactly.
Yeah, he's been in striking distance, which makes it really interesting.
Yeah, and for suburban voters that don't like Trump, I would think that's kind of a safe haven, right?
For suburban center-right people that don't like Trump's tone and they want to return to normalcy, I would hope that at least they would go vote for John James.
And President Trump going to Grand Rapids tonight is going to help John James significantly.
So look, if Republicans can hold one out of the four, I think they hold the Senate.
I think Joni Ernst will win in Iowa.
I'm confident of that.
She looks like she's surging at the right time.
So if Republicans can just win one out of Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina, Maine, the least likely is Colorado, then Arizona, then Maine, North Carolina, the Senate, I think, will stay in Republican hands.
If I can talk about a couple of house races really quick, John.
Please do, because we got those 30 Trump districts that could go one way or the other.
So one of them is Genevieve Collins in Dallas.
I really like that.
I think she can flip that.
I hope she does.
I really like Young Kim in Orange County and Michelle Steele.
I think ballot harvesting, where she went for freshman orientation and they kind of went back on her.
So I really think that I hope that she'll be able to pull that off and she looks really, really strong and confident in that.
I also like the new race, Alex Scaralogas.
He's got a Greek name in Eastern Oregon.
It's looking really good for him.
I think that's a flip that can definitely come.
That'll be one of the unexpected one.
Yeah, it's a sleeper.
Don't be surprised if that one happens on election.
What are you seeing in the Central Virginia race where Spamberger is?
It's going to be a toss-up.
Just Virginia has gone through a lot of different demographic changes.
I haven't seen any recent polling there, but I would be surprised if that one does not trend in the Republican direction.
And a lot of these Pelosi flips, the other one's New Mexico through Zachtel Torres, I think's her name.
I think she's in a lot of trouble.
Pelosi has put a ton of money into that race.
So I think that Republicans could comfortably flip 10 or 12 seats, which would be amazing.
That would put them in striking distance for the 2022 midterms to take back the House.
And there is a chance that Republicans do take back the House.
The problem is that it would take Illinois 14 and Illinois 6 to be flipped.
Genie Ives and Jim Oberweiss.
Those are tough, tough races just because of how much people hate Trump in that part of the world.
All things being equal, I also love kind of looking at some of these longer, these way long shot races.
I don't think she's, she might win Kimberly Klesick.
I'll be super interested to see how she does.
How can a black Republican with $6 million cash on hand who runs a great race, who actually campaigns, what can a Republican do?
I'm just from a political science standpoint, that's an interesting thing to look at.
It's a fascinating race.
Yeah.
And it probably speaks volumes to the extraordinary door that Trump has opened to the African-American community, to all these cities that have been under Democratic rule for 40, 50, 60 years.
What do they have to lose?
And I think that's the argument she makes.
What do you have to lose and take it a chance?
That's exactly right.
That can sometimes become a very powerful argument.
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Where do you think the Democrats, is there any one place where you think the Democrats are going to surprise people?
Do you have any sleepers surprises for the Democrats?
Yeah, they've definitely put a lot of money into those Senate races I mentioned.
I think that Mitch McConnell's done a great job of normalizing those races.
I think the Amy Coney Barrett fight was kind of like a $1 billion in-kind contribution to at-risk senators because it gave them something to get in the local and statewide news, all the newspapers to show what they're doing.
It was phenomenal.
It was an act of brilliance by Mitch McConnell, and I'm not one to go out of my way to compliment him.
But I've done my fair share of criticism of his Senate leadership, but he's been phenomenal with that.
I think the Democrats, they could, and this is just their path to victory.
They could surprise us all.
They could surprise us all where all these early voting Republicans, it could be that only 82% of those are voting for Trump.
It could be that some of these older Republicans are voting for Biden, that it's because his handling of the virus or his tone and all of the early voting advantage that we think we have, we really don't.
I think this is unlikely.
I don't see any polling to reflect this.
I see no anecdotal evidence to reflect this.
And the radicalism of the Democrat Party does not make this argument more likely.
The more they've embraced BLM and Antifa, the stronger Trump's hold on the Republican Party has been.
And we don't see this in any sort of metrics, but there could be a hidden Biden vote, and I don't dismiss it.
If Biden wins, it'll be that just like there was a hidden Trump vote in 2016, there were people in Trump districts that hated Trump and they came out in big numbers to go vote.
That's their pathway to victory.
You didn't see that.
Their strategy was played out.
Aubi Day rolling out a Republican who's flipped parties for him.
That's been a big part of their strategy.
And I don't see that in the macro trends.
I don't.
I don't see that in voter registration.
I don't see that in public polling.
I don't see that in our conversations.
And I don't see that in door knocking.
I don't.
And I think the president, the last two weeks, the reason why he took that Des Moines register poll from 47 and 47% in September to now 47 to 41 and leading with independence is his message has been so good the last two to three weeks.
And his final debate performance was everything that anxious suburban Republicans needed to go confidently say, okay, I got it.
He was calm.
He was cool.
He was collected.
Biden was angry, bitter, and mean and radical.
I'm going to go vote for Trump.
And that's why I think you're starting to see that kind of separation speed.
But it very well could be that Democrats surprise us and may have a suburban surge, the likes of which we've never seen.
If suburban voters show up to 85, 90% turnout, which I think is unlikely, and Biden wins 70% of them, it doesn't matter how many rural voters we have.
We can't cancel that out.
You can't.
No, no chance.
Yeah.
Well, that's fascinating.
Charlie, after the election, we've been through this extraordinary moment.
We've had COVID.
We've had the violence in the cities.
We've had censorship in the social media, you yourself being a victim of it.
There's all this antagonism.
No matter who wins, who makes the first step at going and calming this country down and getting us to think more about the we in America, not the us and them in America.
That's got to be the next president, whether it's Trump or Biden.
Got to be one of their top agenda items.
Don't you agree?
Yeah, I would hope so.
And if President Trump wins, I think that you'll see an explosion of rebellion, and then I think it'll fizzle out.
I think that it'll fizzle out after a couple of weeks when people realize there's not an election with his name on it, and we lost and he won.
And you'll see a Democrat civil war.
You'll see all that kind of energy go into a Democrat Civil War.
If Biden wins, I don't think Republicans and Trump supporters are going to go burn down American cities.
That's not who we are.
I don't think that'll happen.
And by the way, if anyone does that, I'll denounce it and I'll say, cut it out.
We lost.
Go back to work.
I mean, that's just, that's how we operate.
That's not, unfortunately, how they do.
And then, yeah, if Joe Biden wins, my wish is if Joe Biden wins, I hope he actually governs like the person he's telling us he is, which we know he isn't.
I'm cynical and skeptical.
I think it's unlikely, but I'd love to see him be a moderate if he wins.
Again, I don't know.
I don't think his chances of winning are what other people say, but if he actually is a center-right candidate who will allow us to still be energy independent, not go after fracking, which, by the way, he says the opposite a couple months ago.
But here's why I say this, John.
I actually want what's best for my country.
Like, I actually kind of want America to be an awesome place to live and to build a family and have the American way of life.
And I don't want to see Kamala Harris become president where we have the most liberal senator take over the executive branch.
And so my agenda is hopefully for the country by January or February.
We're fully open.
We have economic numbers that are responding and rebounding.
And I hope that the courts don't get politicized.
I hope that D.C. and Puerto Rico don't get be made as federal states.
I hope that liberal states don't get blanketly bailed out from the bankruptcy.
Obviously, I know what president is going to prevent all those things from happening, and we already have him as president.
But yeah, I think that the president has to then win and then take us through a healing moment because this year has been unpredictable and turbulent at best.
It has indeed.
There's no doubt about it.
Well, Charlie, as always, we are so blessed to have you on the show.
Congratulations on all the success and all the work you've done.
I know you've been working tirelessly, and in a couple of days, we're going to know the fruit of that labor.
So thank you very much for all you do.
We'll have you back on at the show to help us make sense of it all.
That's great.
Thanks, John.
You bet.
Thanks, Charlie.
Have a good night.
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