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June 27, 2020 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Liberty Vs Lockdowns 2.0 with David Harris Jr. and Ryan Helfenbein

Charlie sits down with author, activist and podcast host, David J. Harris Jr., and Executive Director of Falkirk Center for Faith & Liberty and Liberty University, Ryan Helfenbein, for an in-depth conversation about the inherent tension...

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Friends at Falkirk Center 00:02:32
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Hey, everybody.
Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, I sit down with two dear friends of mine, Ryan Helfenbein at the Falkirk Center for Faith and Liberty and David Harris Jr., who is cross-posting this episode.
So God bless him for everything he does for our country.
It's a great conversation about the Chinese coronavirus and so much more.
We talk about faith and liberty and also Liberty University.
Terrific school.
You guys are going to love this conversation.
Email me your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Make sure you go back in the archives and listen to my episode with President Donald Trump.
You guys are going to enjoy it.
Buckle up, everybody.
It's a great conversation.
Here we go.
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
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Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
I want to thank Charlie.
He's an incredible guy.
His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
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We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
That's why we are here.
Hey, everybody.
Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
I am joined by two dear friends of mine, Ryan Helfenbein, the head and executive director of the Falkirk Center for Faith and Liberty.
It's great.
Which is an amazing effort.
And a fellow at the Falkirk Center for Faith and Liberty.
David Harris Jr.
He's also going to be posting this on his feed.
Yes, sir.
So say hi because this will be on your hello, everybody.
David J. Harris Jr. here, and I'm excited to be here with two of my brothers.
So what's going to be fun is now I am going to yield the floor because I'm going to be a guest on my own show.
And David will be a guest on his own show because this is being posted everywhere.
Ryan, you are now the host of the Charlie Kirk show.
Dude, I am humbled by this.
One of the things we say over at the Falkirk Center, this is the place where Christ is king, church is essential, and freedom, Charlie, which we know we all agree on this.
Everybody who's listening, freedom is everything.
And so 100%.
I just, you know, the last 60 days have been nuts.
I kind of, you know, it's, I'm looking at this as an opportunity to recap, you know, to actually like, what have we learned over the past 60 days?
Let's start with COVID-19.
So we have seen failure after failure after failure.
We've seen government lockdowns.
We've seen locale.
We've seen churches that have been closed.
Lessons from Sixty Days 00:08:23
We're even seeing the effects of it even now with masks being worn everywhere.
But I want to get your thoughts, your reflection.
Yeah, I don't think that I don't think it's over yet because now they're trying to re-lock down the country.
However, the lesson should already be very clear, which is that the lockdowns did way more damage than I think it was ever originally estimated.
I mean, I have to say, all three of us were part of the community that thought that we were going way too far, too early.
And I remember exchanging messages with you guys a couple weeks out from Easter.
I was like, this is not good.
No.
And that wasn't the whole consensus in the conservative movement at the time.
Some people are like, no, let's just wait it out.
And I think it's pretty well accepted that it was an outrageous abuse of power against Christendom, against the kingdom, and against patriotic Americans.
Yes.
So the biggest lesson for me is one that I take into the news cycle into my life every single day, which is to be an independent thinker, be highly skeptical, and yoke yourself in reason, not in outrage or in rage in general.
And I actually am inherently distrustful of the expert community because there's actually a very low price to be wrong, very low cost to be wrong, and a very little reward to be correct.
Fauci has paid a tremendous weight.
No, actually, that's wrong.
You're right.
You're right.
Fauci hasn't paid anything.
Yeah.
And so he came out and said, oh, we lied about the masks because we didn't have enough masks.
Yeah.
So we told you not to wear masks, even though they might work or they might not work.
And so now they're trying to re-lock down the country in certain areas.
We know lockdowns don't work.
I'm a huge opponent of nationwide forced draconian lockdowns.
Shelter in place for nursing homes makes sense.
And I'm just of the belief you cannot have freedom without responsibility.
You cannot.
And so if you want to do something foolish to yourself, you absolutely should have the liberty to do that.
I'm not an advocate of that.
No.
But do not restrict me from being able to go to church, go to work, and be able to travel as I see fit.
And if I'm going to incur some form of risk for that, so be it.
Right.
That's freedom.
You can't have freedom without responsibility.
Dangerous freedom.
But that's still freedom.
You still have the freedom to do that.
You should have the freedom to do that.
So for COVID-19 for me, I actually had a friend of mine that is a billionaire that's very well connected that brought me information from the very beginning saying that this virus was man-made.
This virus was not released by accident.
This virus is part SARS, part MERS, and also part HIV.
And this virus has the potential to be worse than the Spanish flu.
And he was sharing this with me like within a couple of weeks of this thing breaking.
He was giving me other supporting data.
I had him on my show a couple of times to talk about it.
And he was very much a proponent for locking things down, shutting things down.
He thought the stock market was going to hit 10,000.
He was literally waiting for the absolute disaster.
So there's two sides that could be accurate here.
One, now that we've seen that it actually was not that disastrous, is it because the president made the early decisions that he did to shut down travel from China in January when he took so much heat over it, January 21st, I believe.
Nobody, he said that he was in a discussion with 20 plus advisors and nobody agreed with him to shut travel down from China, yet he did anyway.
I believe that that was huge in thwarting the invasion of this thing from people that were carrying it.
And it could have been 10 or 100 times worse had he not done that.
The other side of the other side is that it's no worse than the flu because now that's what we're seeing.
Now we're seeing, I interviewed Dr. Dan out of Kern County that owns and operates eight medical clinics that said he began to do his own testing.
And in that testing he did, it came out to 0.2% of the people basically were the, was the mortality rate and that so many more people than had been reported actually had COVID-19 and had gotten better from it.
They had the antibodies.
So the news was being skewed.
So, you know, it's like you take both of these things into consideration.
It could have been, I believe it absolutely would have been a lot greater, had a lot greater disaster had the president not taken action, banned travel from China, banned travel from Europe, did what he did what he did.
But at the same time, and I don't believe it was released by accident, but at the same time, we also now see how the overreach was implemented by so many Democrat politicians, governors, mayors that basically just threw the Constitution out the window, seemed to target churches.
And my hope is that well-meaning Americans, believers, Democrats, obviously, and Republicans as well, will realize how far some of these politicians are willing to go if they're given the opportunity to take that much power.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And so I want to differentiate lessons from the virus and the lockdown because those are two different categories.
True, right?
So the virus, we have some pretty good data that if you have comorbidities, if you're above the age of 60 and you're overweight, this is something you should be concerned about.
True.
Absolutely.
However, if you are those things, if you're over 60 overweight and you have comorbidities, you should be concerned every single flu season.
And I'm not saying this is the flu.
It's similar and data-wise there.
However, every time there is a pathogen, those people should be concerned.
The nursing homes were a huge component of the data here.
This idea that we are going to shut down schools.
I don't want to just applaud Liberty University.
Jerry Foley.
She's amazing.
I mean, she deserves so much.
Jerry, great.
She didn't shut down the school.
I think it was like zero cases.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
I don't want to misspeak, but I think it was zero cases.
That's what I heard.
He took it on the chin.
Every media outlet after him, and he's been vindicated and exonerated.
No school should be closed this fall.
Except for the mainstream media.
They haven't vindicated him.
No, of course they haven't exonerated him.
And the New York Times came and they actually falsely reported they were trespassing.
And I hope they're criminally accountable.
They should be accountable.
Because they trespassed.
It was absolutely slanderous, libel is the worst thing.
But I want to just say that the lock, the virus, it's tough to say that we can control the virus.
And I try to come with this at humility.
And I think it's just like a central planner's, let's just say it's a central planner's dream.
Yeah, it's a dream, but I was going to say that, but it's almost like it's a syndrome is what I'm saying.
It's central planning syndrome that we believe we can metaphysically control the spread of a viral infection.
And I think that it almost makes us think we can play God a little bit.
And I'm not saying you should do nothing.
That's not what I'm saying.
But to the extent where you're going to shut down all of society and you act as if that is an appropriate reaction, I mean, we better be seeing 20% mortality rates if we're doing that.
Exactly.
I mean, like, to do that, even five.
I mean, that's to get to that.
We're getting two percent.
We're not even getting close.
No, not even close.
And we knew that early on.
What frustrates me is we saw the Princess Cruise.
We saw the contained data.
And we said, okay, this is a great example of how many people it's going to infect, how many people it's going to die.
And guess what?
That data has been nearly within like 0.001% of now the macro data.
Right.
So that was the purpose.
So people that don't know, cruise ship, I think it was off Japan or something.
Yeah.
It was very early.
Very early, but you couldn't have designed a better test case because they're all using recirculated air.
They're not disembarking for a six-day period.
It's a Petri dish.
It was a Petri dish.
It was.
And so we tracked it.
That was like the, God forbid I'd call it a good thing, but you couldn't have designed a better controlled experiment.
And so the lockdowns were outrageous.
It was so silly.
They're talking about kids that can't go to high school now.
They might cancel football in the state of Colorado.
I mean, this is immoral.
Yeah.
And I mean, at this point, I can no longer stay silent.
I wonder who said that.
You want for my book?
Was that what that is?
I couldn't stay silent at David Harris.
But I refuse to comply is the wrong word.
I confuse to concede or to cooperate with this narrative that we are going to lock down America.
I'm not going to go along with it.
We better not.
No.
So, okay.
Acknowledging Systemic Racism 00:06:16
So here we are.
We have the virus.
We have the lockdowns.
Then what happened, which was unforeseen by anybody, is the story took a sudden twist.
It became an issue of law and order.
George Floyd, that was horrendous, what happened to him.
But then you saw protest that protest lasted five minutes, and then it immediately went to the complete disintegration of societal justice, law and order, rioting, stores being looted, Molotov cocktails, you name it, the whole thing.
And then we had the issue of, you know, Black Lives Matter, the organization coming forth and springing upon this opportunity.
Right.
And so here's my question.
The issue of systemic racism.
I know y'all have addressed it.
We've addressed it again and again.
But systemic racism versus systemic injustice.
What is that?
What does that mean to you?
Well, I don't think, I mean, I think we have to acknowledge and admit and understand that there was systemic racism in our country up to a certain point.
But all of that began to go away once we had liberation, once we had the Civil Rights Act, once we began to champion black lives as actually mattering in the 60s, then there were changes that were made.
There were changes in equality.
There were changes for women that were made.
There were changes for black Americans that were made.
And we as a society, we had the opportunity to then make sure that we supported the individuals that actually supported what we believe matters the most, which is equality.
So I don't believe today we have an issue with systemic racism.
And every single person that tries to say that we do have an issue with systemic racism tries to use the unarmed black individuals that have been shot and killed by police.
Right.
And the numbers are completely, that actually proves the opposite.
More whites are killed.
That's right.
The individuals that are black that were unarmed, I think there was nine last year and like five or six of them were doing something violent or in the act of doing something violent.
Or they were saying they had a weapon.
Yeah.
Or they had a weapon or they reached for the officer's gun.
So it's not like there's this boogeyman of the police that just embodies all of police that are out just looking down to looking to track down and hunt and shoot and kill black individuals.
Nor is there a system in place where an individual cannot start a business, join a company, become an employee, have an idea.
I'm a living proof of that.
I've been a business owner and an entrepreneur for over 20 years.
Huge.
It was in the 1990s, 1994, 95, that I had my first idea and I said, I'm going to create a business out of this.
And I started a company.
I had to do all of the necessary legalities as far as state, local, business, licenses, everything necessary to get the business up and operational, and then provide the capital to be able to provide everything necessary for individuals to be able to work for my company to create a living.
And I did it very successfully.
If there was systemic racism, then I wouldn't be able to do that.
Yeah.
And I want to make something very clear because when people, when I reject the premise of systemic racism, and David's absolutely right, there was a period of time where that existed.
However, you look at the 1960s, admitting that there might be systemic injustice is not the same thing as saying systemic racism.
I totally wholeheartedly agree.
And so again, this takes a mature mind of which the left is not capable of because they intentionally try to keep conversations so it requires nuance and thought.
So for example, saying that the black community has been disadvantaged is 100% true post-1960s.
Saying that it was only because of racism is patently untrue.
So for example, the black community was impacted by the Great Society Act.
So every community was actually, because single motherhood went up in the white community, just went up more dramatically in the black community than any other community.
Now, so explain me this, is that post-Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, how is it?
So if we account Jim Crow laws, segregation, and slavery, evil, evil, evil, which thank you, Christianity.
Which was systemic racism.
Of course it was.
It was definitionally systemic racism.
So the definition of systemic racism legislatively and policy-wise, which is the only way we can really discuss it, is that I can do something with the color of my skin that a black person can't do, or vice versa.
Now, if you want to get hyper technical, I think affirmative action is absolutely 100% against affirmative action.
And so I'm not getting into that.
I just think, I actually think it's incredibly.
That's a different thing.
And it hurts anybody else.
It hurts everybody.
And they qualify for a job.
It creates a hyper-racialized society.
But let me say this.
So, if you account slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation, and everything that led up to it, a good point, a good fulcrum point, if you will, is okay, the day before the Civil Rights Act was passed.
Right.
Let's start that as like everything before that up to that moment.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, right.
So that was, so actually, before that, you saw black wages increase the most it ever increased it from 1948 to 1960.
Now, it wasn't the black community did something that was pretty remarkable is that they had a sense of resiliency from 48 to 60 where they were being discriminated against.
However, black businesses were thriving.
There was a sense of cooperation and community.
A lot of that went away when the government came in and tore down their communities and had a vertical housing unit.
However, this is interesting to see.
What is it then?
And the left can never answer this question.
Tell me, and I know their answer because it's a silly answer.
Why did the fatherlessness rate go from 22% to 77%?
Right.
Society.
Of course.
So I will give you.
But they don't want to talk about it.
By the way, I will give you Jim Crow segregation and slavery for why it was 22 to 25%.
I get it.
Like that's that is legitimate institutional.
That is like decades and generations of discrimination.
Totally got it.
Why the jump once things got equal?
Right.
Like, why did things then go up once there was equality under the law?
It was because things got equal.
But LBJ said, no, we can't do that.
That's exactly what we change the change of parameters.
And I'll have those ends.
Voting Democrat for the first time.
I don't know if I could say that on your show.
The Fatherlessness Crisis 00:03:01
Please don't.
Please don't.
I should be able to say it, right?
But I still don't.
I don't say the end word.
Right.
And so that's a conversation that needs to happen.
But I also think, I think we're systemically unracist as a country.
I actually think we have to go out of our way to find injustices.
Well, we're creating a psychology.
I'm going to say this.
Is it Bubba?
Bubba?
We're creating a new person.
No, you mean Bubba Smollett?
Yeah.
Is it Watson?
I can't.
No, it's Smollett.
Smollett.
Bubba Smollett.
Bubba Smollett.
By the way.
I'm waiting for the two night giants.
Wait, no, Bubba Wallace.
Wallace or Watson.
I'm sorry.
Wallace.
It's Bubba Wallace.
It's Jesse Smollett, but you put them together.
I really.
Yeah, yeah.
So here's the thing.
I have it in writing.
My team will tell you.
The second I saw the story, I wish I had the gumption to tweet it.
I said this is a fraud 100%.
Me next time, I'll tweet it.
I'm hearing he's doubling down.
He is doubling down.
He's initial initial reports, and then FBI took 15 agents.
Why don't they take these agents to find out who's burning down our cities?
It's insane.
Absolutely.
They take out 15 agents.
They're burning down black businesses, Hispanic businesses, businesses owned by single women.
Amen.
So real quick, we're heading towards the 4th of July.
Okay.
We're seeing statues come down.
People are trying to erase history.
Not even that.
I think just creating complete destruction.
But most of the people that are doing it don't know anything about our common history.
And yet, and here's something else.
We put this on the other end.
We have evangelical Christians who are questioning whether you can love Jesus and America at the same time.
So those are the two juxtaposed between each other.
Of course, you can.
Yes.
I mean, and you can have.
So look, Philippians, I think it's 4, 6, it's before one of the most famous verses in the Bible.
Paul says, fight for whatsoever is true.
Right.
Whatever's good, whatever is actually true.
And if you go to the actual root of what that word means, it literally means whatever.
So the English translation is actually not that far off.
And so what makes Christ different is that Jesus didn't just say true things.
See, Moses said true things.
Elijah said true things.
But Christ was truth.
He was the embodiment of truth.
Completely different.
It's different psychologically, different metaphysically, different archetypically of any religious figure ever.
Because that was truth.
Alpha and Omega.
Everything that human beings need to say, anything that human beings need to hear, Christ said.
Beginning and end of all things that matter in the world.
Whatever so be true, America is the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.
The kingdom has expanded more because of America than any other country.
These things are true.
So I love America.
I love what America stands for.
I love the American Trinity.
Now, do I love the American Trinity more than the Holy Trinity?
No.
There's a hierarchy there.
The gospel says you are able to love other things if your true love is pointed to Christ.
Sure.
And I think some of these people say that they think that there's a competition between the two.
And it's not even close.
It's more of a cop-out.
It's not even close, though.
Pursuing True Happiness 00:04:27
So the final thing I'll say is this, though, is that a lot of these people, so there's three types of equality, right?
And so one type of equality is evil.
One is necessary, and one is an admirable pursuit.
The type of evil that is, the type of equal, I should say, that is absolutely necessary is equality under the law.
That's the first type of equality.
That's right.
Fair and equal treatment of the laws.
We didn't get that until about the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Due process, the ability to represent.
That was 1960s.
Quality of opportunity is admirable.
We should strive towards that, right?
School choice, opportunity zones, things that lift people up from the foundational level.
Like before your innocence is removed from you, you should be able to have an opportunity to succeed.
The evil type of equality is equality of outcome.
That is an evil pursuit.
That's right.
So it's very important that we segment the three types of equality.
That is Marxism.
That's socialism.
That's Marxism.
That's right.
If you even try to pursue equality of outcome, it's actually against how people are made in the image of God.
Here's why.
David has strengths that I don't have.
I have strengths that David doesn't have.
If you try to equalize those through central planning, you are definitionally trying to normalize something that God may have gave someone more than someone else.
That's so good.
Amen.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Our uniqueness before God in that we are image bearers.
And so I love everything you said just there.
Here's another thing.
And oh, sorry.
I'm pulling back from the microphone.
So there we go.
You got to do the Joe Rogan thing.
Right there.
Okay.
I'm right in the microphone.
Okay.
So I want to transition July 4, you know, going in as it's coming up.
David, what does America mean to you?
I can just tell you what it's been for me.
You know, I've enjoyed living in this country and having the opportunity to marry my wife that is not my same skin tone.
She's got a different ethnic background.
She's Japanese, Portuguese, Caucasian.
I'm looked at like a black man, but my mom is white of Irish descent.
My dad is black.
But still, I've never been accused of being a white guy.
This is an American story.
Yeah, it is.
But you're an American.
I'm an American.
Her wife's an American.
And my wife's an American.
So we've enjoyed the freedom of not having to deal with what my dad went through.
You know, my dad, very dark, when he got married to my mom, he dealt with racism from both sides.
He dealt with issues from the black community and he dealt with issues from the white community.
Thank God it was at least legal, right?
So he can do that.
But there was a time when it wasn't legal.
So America to me has been, has given me the freedom to not just be able to love my bride, but be able to start a business.
Started my first company when I was 20 and it was very successful, did a couple million in sales within a few years.
And I've been a serial entrepreneur.
This country has given me the ability to start businesses from an idea and not have to get that idea approved from the government, not have to get that idea sanctioned by the government, not have to say, here's the idea, government, will you want to do this for me?
It's like I've had the freedom to be a business owner for over 20 years.
And I've had the freedom to worship.
I love God.
I mean, he's such a good idea.
We have such a good papa.
We have a lot of people in this country.
We have such a good papa.
And I call him Papa.
Jesus said, Abba, Father.
And anybody that has an issue with me calling him Papa or Daddy.
He's my daddy.
He's our daddy.
Jesus said Abba.
And Abba is a close, intimate form of father, like daddy.
And I've had the ability to worship.
I've had the ability to go to church, attend church, and not be chastised for that.
It's like those are freedoms that we take for granted here in this country.
If we haven't been to other countries or we haven't done our research and looked at history and looked at what other countries actually do, religious persecution is a big deal.
And so I'm thankful so much.
I'm so thankful that I was given the opportunity to be born in this country, to grow in this country, to meet my wife here, to start a business here, and to live here.
America to me is freedom.
America to me is the land of opportunity.
I've been provided so many opportunities.
And it is the true opportunity for us to pursue happiness.
And I love that that is an option.
You know, the pursuit of happiness is an option.
You don't have to pursue happiness.
A lot of people don't pursue happiness.
They pursue misery.
America as Land of Opportunity 00:06:11
Yes.
Or they pursue mediocrity.
They pursue things that, you know, it's like, I don't want to be, I don't want to be complacent.
I don't want to stay with that.
This has been for me the land of opportunity.
And I'm taking full advantage of the ability for me to pursue happiness.
Charlie.
You know, there's an interesting, I had an interesting experience a couple years ago, I'll never forget, where I was with a bunch of smug Europeans who they were incredibly anti-American, philosophically and morally secular, and they were Germans and nothing wrong with that.
They just happened to be anti-American Germans.
And they were just bashing on America.
There's stupid wars.
You guys are so this and all that.
I had enough of it.
I said, let me ask you a question.
Uh-oh.
I like it when Charlie's had enough.
He's just going to get it.
I said, what would the world be without America?
And it was just the whole dinner party just went silent.
I said, what would the world be if we didn't exist?
One of the Germans said, we'd probably be less free.
Wow.
And the conversation ended after that.
That was it?
That was it.
Wow.
And I think that's a very important question because it's not inconceivable that this can stop existing as we know it.
I mean, the things we know to be true are disappearing so quickly.
I mean, so look, I have a different story than David, but 26 years old, being able to interview the president of the United States and host him three times in one calendar year.
So amazing.
Show me another country where that is even.
I didn't go to college.
Like, that's not supposed to happen.
And can I add to that?
I didn't go to, I went to one day of college.
I've been to the White House nine times.
I've been in the Oval Office.
I thought he's the same person.
I've gotten to interview him, not for not as long as you did on your amazing podcast that's about to drop, but I did get to ask him one question while he's sitting at the Resolute desk in the Oval Office.
I've seen the video.
I have evidence this happened.
Right?
I'm an ex-drug dealer, right?
Crackhead.
I almost overdosed on crack cocaine 11 years ago.
Yeah.
Are you kidding me?
And I'm in the Oval Office with the President of the United States.
And I know we're.
Only in America.
I know we're short on time.
We're wrapping up.
Yeah.
But just the for anyone out there that is struggling with, should I love this country or not love this country?
I mean, there's a couple things.
The American story has always been the pursuit of betterment.
And it's through self-analysis.
But the goal that the founders set was a very aspirational one.
In fact, it's even, we must admit, they didn't live up to their own goal upon writing those words.
And I think that's a really important thing because they were actually trying to set something so forward-thinking that they were even held back by their own sin.
Some of them owned slaves, some of them engaged in behavior that we would not consider to be permissible today.
But those words, the preamble of the Constitution, actually are still as applicable today as they were then.
Absolutely.
Because their pursuit of timeless biblical truths that all men are created equal.
Wow.
Oh my gosh.
Now remember, the three times of equality, right?
Yeah.
Equal under law is really equal under God because those are God's laws.
Right.
Right?
And in the declaration, it says laws of nature and nature is God.
So look, America is the world's last best hope.
It's the only moral country left on the planet.
And if we cease to exist, I shouldn't say only moral country.
Let me phrase that.
There's other countries that are generally moral, but we cease to exist.
The world and the kingdom of God will be in such a dark place.
And so I am so thankful God chose me to live in this world.
It's incredible.
Let me add this too.
From coming from what God saved me from, right?
From myself, I know his power is real.
I know his love for us is real.
It's genuine.
And I know that he loves this country.
He loves America.
And he loves what we've been founded on.
We're founded on Judeo-Christian values.
You know, the Creator is talked about in our Constitution.
The way that our system of government is structured is based on God and the Trinity with different aspects of government.
So here's one thing I think that's so important for people to understand, for everybody listening to understand, is that God, the Father, loves you.
He sent his son to pay a ransom for you so that you could know true love and so that you could know the Father.
And that's where it starts.
And that is our hope for every single person listening to this.
But I also want you to understand this.
God will survive without America.
But America will not survive without God.
Amen.
Amen.
And so those that know him and trust him and seek him and pray, we need to be active.
We need to be engaged.
We need to know why we believe what we believe because we are the church here in this country.
And if America is spared, which I believe it will be, I'm just trying to encourage everybody, it will be because of the believers that are believing for God's will to be done in this country.
Yeah.
It's not a choice between either or.
It's both and.
Love Jesus with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Love your neighbor.
Guess who your neighbor is?
If you live in America, okay, your neighbor, they're Americans.
And by the way, that's right.
And it's the freest, most prosperous nation for the reason.
Also, the most compassionate, most generous, most benevolent nation ever.
In the world.
So it's a great way to end it.
Brothers, thank you so much.
Yes, Charlie.
Thanks, man.
David, thank you.
Thanks, Charlie.
Thanks, Ryan.
God bless you guys.
God bless.
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