Ryan Katsu Rivera details his unscripted, live arguments with Gavin McInnes at Censored.tv, highlighting their loyalty despite offers from Joe Rogan. He explains technical productions involving face-swapping for Nick Oakes and voice cloning via Play.ht, while clarifying McInnes' non-formal Proud Boys ties. The conversation spans Rivera's musical roots in Nope Yup, Tom Waits' Frito Lay legal battle, right-wing "Sigma" trends, and conspiracy theories about Hendrix and Vaughan. Ultimately, the dialogue underscores the complex intersection of faith, music, and controversial media production within their independent ecosystem. [Automatically generated summary]
But so me and him would record after all the regular technicians would leave.
And they just gave me, you know, John Sereno there gave me like a rundown of how to work everything.
And then, but it's not only, it's not until started working with Gavin where when it's all on you and you have to figure out all of the things, like you don't just click different cameras and shit.
You have to actually, you know, route all this stuff, especially when we moved here from scratch that you're actually plugging in cables to the right or in the back of the soundboard of the switcher or whatever.
Yeah, it's, there's a lot of wires, a lot of routing.
And the cable management is pretty terrible, like in my office here, but it's because things will happen that I don't understand and I will have to just like switch things around.
Or, you know, Gavin's very like he, I need to be agile for his ideas.
He'll have like new ideas where we have different sets, setups of, you know, like this third shot.
We have a new set essentially built for different things.
We have the bar set and stuff like that.
So you need to be able to unplug things and then just try new reconfigurations.
We went through because there's the pressure of like, we're doing a show and then something goes wrong.
So there's that.
So it feels like we're failing to look professional.
But then We address it, which is kind of unprofessional, but it's also entertaining.
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Right, right.
It's like when I do remember when Rogan went through that phase where he was an asshole to Jamie, it was a very short phase like four or five years ago, way before the Spotify deal.
I just remember, and I don't know if it was because he was like experimenting with like some sort of like steroids or something at the time, but there was a period where he was fucking snapping on Jamie all the time.
And I'm glad that he's on this network now, you know, because that's where it all started.
I mean, I did an impression of him and he was on Compound Media.
And then Anthony Coomi retweeted that.
And I was like, this is the best day of my life.
Because my job, I had a couple of jobs around the time that I was listening to OP and Anthony, but it was mostly like a restaurant job.
And I was just working in the kitchen.
And I was allowed, since it was just me back there, I could listen to whatever I want.
So it would be Opie and Anthony like all day, like hours and hours of OA.
And then so him retweeting me meant a lot.
At that time, he was already fired from Sirius.
So he was starting Compound.
And oddly enough, I didn't sign up to Compound Media to hear more Anthony because I was like, well, I'm already, I already, I don't pay for anything really online.
I don't have any subscriptions.
And I like Opie and Anthony.
And just Anthony is awesome and I want to support him.
But there wasn't anything to really push me over the edge because I was like, paying whatever a month was not in my price range back then.
I was very, very broke.
And so what actually got me to sign up to Compound Media was hearing like a little snippet of Gavin's interview with some other dude.
And he said, and I was like, and I was like, dude, I've never heard somebody say that without being like, well, I'm just using the words.
Like he unapology, unapologetically, unapologetically said like the worst words that you could say.
This, the chat GPT, or not really chat GPT, but this, but like specifically, like the voice emulator, it it aims to replace my job of a guy who does voices, yeah.
I try not to snap back because that's that's not a subordinate's place.
But sometimes it does happen when there's legitimately things that I uh are beyond my control, but yet I'm getting a why didn't you do that type of thing?
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All right, I just link to the video through Google chat.
So there's a program that I found on some random website of random programs that people come up with where you can upload any cell image or video of someone's face as long as they're not speaking in the clip.
And you can upload juxtaposed to that any audio file of speaking and it will automatically make the lips move in accordance with what words are spoken in the audio file.
Because we actually had to do something like that for the Nick Oaks show.
So we wanted basically the concept, I think you already get it, is like through CGI, I mean, through AI, we are able to bring this prisoner's letters to life.
And Gavin wanted the intro to be kind of like Twilight Zone-y, like the future.
And he also wanted to, you know, somehow like let people know that this is a face-swapped type of thing.
There's a lot of, you know, it's almost jarring how weird it all is, like unsettling.
And, but once you get past that, Nick Oakes is like a really great writer.
And, you know, even when I talk to him on the phone, he just, he thinks, he thinks very poetically, but he's also very like poignant about what he's saying, too.
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It's not, he's got plenty of time to think about what he wants to say.
You know, it'd be different if people like him would want to know that and simultaneously look for like honor bidens and all the little bucks that do terrible.
I am back again, by the way.
I don't know if something changed, but I just want to let you know.
They got some weird ones like that we when we were with CRTV, like they had like a studio in the Flatiron district, and they had an Apple thing that I had never seen before.
Probably said some spicy things, but I mean, Gavin made some like shocking points about incest in Saudi Arabia, but it wasn't like anything inaccurate.
Yeah, I mean, he was able to get Alex Jones on, but I guess it's probably because January 6th, and somehow, you know, proud hold it into that.
Meanwhile, there were like what, like six of them total or four, um, maybe six.
Let's say if it is 12 or 15 or 20.
Um, the point is, is that you have to, if you have a chapter, it's like you own like a McDonald's franchise, basically, and you have to follow.
Can't be a fucking you can't be like a Nazi.
I hate using the word Nazi because like only Nazis were Nazis, but you know what I mean?
You can't be like a neo-Nazi, yeah.
We're not, this isn't like the clan part two or anything.
This is a men's drinking club of all uh not all genders, all it's just all men, uh, all fucking racist races, creeds, whatever.
Yeah, you could be queer, um, you could be whatever you want.
Um, so you know, no, like uh, no fucking racists or whatever and all that shit.
So, you have to follow those rules.
Another thing you have to do, if like you want to go to protests or do something like that, you have to check in with your your chapter and say, Can we go, you know, like as Proud Boys to this thing?
And they said, No, like if you're gonna go to Jan January 6th, go as an individual, not as a fucking proud boy, right?
It's like that doesn't reflect the group, and there wasn't any like plan either.
They tried to just like look at their Telegram chats and be like, Well, you said uh, this is war, and it's like, Yeah, people fucking say that about football, you idiot, right, right.
It's like you was Gavin still involved with the Proud Boys, no, but people remember him a chapter, though, just as a regular one, no, does he just like this well with Proud Boys and like and uh at least once a year we'll hang out and we'll party.
But last time we were there at Westfest, it was just just drinking and going around.
We didn't even, I don't think there was an event to go to, there was just like a party.
There were two party houses, so sounds like fun, yeah.
It's really the opposite of a nefarious thing, which by the way, have you seen Nefarious?
Now, I don't know if I have like Christ goggles on where I'm like, this is one of the best movies ever seen, but it is a movie about a psychiatrist going to evaluate this prisoner who's on death row.
He's about to get executed that day.
And his whole goal is to go in there and prove he's sane enough to be executed.
If he's insane, then he can't execute the guy.
But he claims to be possessed by a demon.
And most of the movie takes place just two guys in a room, the prisoner and the psychiatrist, sitting in a room.
And this guy's possessed by a demon.
You know, like that's they let you know that there's no faking it or he doesn't get executed, right?
I mean, like, but if I really hope they don't, because like just, I don't want to put, I have a wife and kids, so I don't want to put them through any trauma, even if everything works out the way it ought to.
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It's uh, bro, but sometimes the trauma makes it better.
Like, Steve Jobs is Steve Jobs because he was adopted, bro.
True, you know, Rosie O'Donnell is Rosie O'Donnell because she had a perfectly normal upbringing.
Ooh, what I have is mostly what I would do was like synth stuff.
Like, most of my releases are synth, which is weird because that's not even like my third instrument.
It would be guitar, bass, and then synth.
But when I got my laptop to finally start working with Pat Dixon and stuff and editing videos and using the Adobe products there, like Premiere, whatever, I was like, well, let me mess around and make some music.
So here's one of the beats.
That one's okay, but wait, where's my Wildwood one?
This one will be better if I search Nope Yup.
That's the name of my, that's the moniker for my group, which is just me, Nope Yup.
Here, this one's so it's just really cool, dude.
Thanks, man.
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Do you have you finished anything or are you still working on it on it?
But I'm trying to see if I have any, what's it called?
This one's pretty neat.
this is just garage band and the patches there the
only thing i don't program i i obviously edit it but uh i don't do by scratch the drums very often i do i've done it but it's easy to just they you know the the garage band drummer if you just want to program it yeah yeah you could tell it what and you know like more snare or whatever like that there are parameters but you can't really
drums yeah but all the synth stuff i do and then there's um the singy stuff but uh i'll send you that on the other on the other there's i have two soundcloud accounts so i'd have to log into the other one we're fine so what do you got here you sent me a link here yeah this is in the shit that i 10 years ago 10 years ago nice let me see
inspired by tom waits i just watched the video on tom waits i'll bring it up after this it's pretty interesting oh i hear the weeds in this yeah i'm gonna break the law or um going out west
Layering Sounds and Detail00:02:48
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but anyway you get the point i won't make you listen to the whole thing but that's the kind of shit that i was doing in college i like the layering and shit there too like
there's like one little stab of guitar that was just like i like those sorts of like little details where it's like you could absolutely live without that thing going but the fact that it's there is like i love attention to detail like that and layering a lot of stuff i figured out that the only reason i was making music at all was just so that i had something cool to mix like because i love going through and adding textures and stuff more than even the songwriting like i wouldn't care to play that song like on an acoustic guitar i'll sing it to you but like to put it together like into a production is kind of it
was so fun you know you know um what's it called uh like foley work where you put sound oh yeah yeah i took a class called foley in college for my audio degree and they made us do like foot stomps you know check this out so this is i had to do a little bit of i mean it's not impressive foley work but for my show celebrity mailbag i was tony soprano and i i i my hair did not look like tony soprano's hair because i'm not horseshoe bald so
i wore this kangaroo hat and he's like you're probably wondering why i'm wearing this fucking hat and he's like it's from this infamous episode and so i had to pretend that it came from an episode so here the clip is check it out well i found my fucking kangaroo hat in the fucking pool who put it there
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tell me tell me i didn't move your fucking kangaroo hat you're paranoid about that ever since you bought it you've been asking where it was what his mouth doesn't even move when he says what what
so towel sounds those were hard to get i might have even i'm not sure yeah we had to do one they took a scene of uh from born identity for our class it was just like a random scene where he was like duct tape and shit on a snowy mountain and it was just muted then we had to have a person come in and do the lines over the like over the lips the lip syncing part and like the drone sounds of like the flyover drone and the duct tape around the canteen and it was it was like a bitch it took us like three hours to get a 15 second scene right and if
you duct tape the canteen there's a part where if he moves it you want to hear that hollow like yeah sort of sound dude it's that is so fucking it sounds so painfully tedious but it's such a cool job man like imagine and like even if you watch like the sounds behind star wars documentaries it's amazing how they got those lightsaber sounds by holding like a magnet next to an old school tv and it was like the closer the magnet guy that was like they're like sitting there waving it you know for the scenes
he's a bunch of like metal things and like had them like rotating and grinding and stuff like that and yeah and for the laser sounds it was just the those metal ropes that they're really tight that hold up telephone poles yeah they were whacking them with baseball bats so it would be like like an aluminum bat on that metal rope you know in old school when they had fucking telephone lines that were above ground metal bat to that yeah and that was the laser for the guy one of my favorite sounds ever is like when um like those tension wires or
whatever like broken by like a dinosaur or something like in jurassic park like the when they go through like telephone wires and they use that sound that's real good my wife i had to let her know that there's a thing called the wilheim is it wilheim right the scream was like yeah i was like no remember that scream you're gonna hear it like every movie puts it in it's like a joke it's like now it's like a thing you have to do yep oh yeah so the tom waits thing was um
what's it called so he uh he had to sue doritos i think it was or something because they wanted i don't know why they wanted him so bad he was just he's just that guy he's just so unique you know like i'm not a huge tom waits fan but it's actually bad texan who who showed me some of his some of his shit and it's like this guy is like really good yeah yeah i mean he was in dracula you remember the fucking braun stopper's dracula he was the guy in the jail cell that wanted dracula to convert him so bad really like the kind of pathetic guy that
was like please make me a vampire that was fucking tom waits i had mystery man remember mystery man with the spleen that i that i know this is a guy with the weapons the non-lethal weapon specialist no way you know where he's fantastic in the the ballot of buster scruggs oh i didn't know he was in that dude he it's it's just a it's basically him in the entire thing like there's a whole section like they're a bunch of mini stuff you know what it is right buster no he was the
the gold miner the panning for gold guy yeah what do they call them i forgot what they call them but uh you never seen that i've i've seen several of those episodes but i've not seen everyone in the whole series but he was the panhandler or whatever yeah i forget what they call those guys but um prop not proper tier freaking
damn it that's a word that i really want to use painting for gold though yeah let me see weights um buster scruggs it's dude it's like the best it's the second best one of the whole fucking thing excuse my language i curse a lot that's the one thing i have to peel back a little more but bro so this is uh there's a scene from it and he sings in it
and it's like heartbreaking and exciting and it's he does such a good job he just seemed he just radiates genuineness you know so basically he didn't want his voice on any sort of prospector prospector that is yep totally tpt for you yeah and it's like it's almost like asmr that he's actually going through the process of of panning for gold and stuff like that and digging for it and finding out where the deposits are and you're on this guy's side you're like i want this guy to find gold and then just things start happening that you're like
oh no and it's so good and you have to watch it if you like tom waits but i appreciate him 100 i have to listen to more of his music but him that's the charles bukowski of music really yeah like if you like like bukowski is to poetry what tom waits is to music in my opinion yeah i mean i know he's done more than music now but like his music is poetry i mean like some if you listen to the bone the bone machine it's basically the only record you need to listen
to obviously he's got a million great ones that's the one that uh pat turned me on to yeah but like i don't know i don't know the earth died screaming as i lay dreaming like that's cool shit like i slept through the end of the world what the fuck right she did tom waits i was sleeping people thought that uh heath ledger's joker was mildly inspired by an interview that tom waits did back in the day you you Ooh, I didn't know that, but it wouldn't make sense.
Missing sort of like I heard that he has hearing problems.
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He's got some sort of hearing problem.
And his favorite sound is the sound of hissing bacon.
And that has inspired a lot of his sound.
Yeah, he just is just something he would have made up.
You could totally see him making up, but it could also be totally true about him.
Just hissing bacon on a pan.
A lot of his music is like that really sizzly, like high-hat sounds.
Because I feel like it can go either way with him.
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I don't know.
It's Chat GPT.
Did Tom Waits do drugs has been open about his past struggles with substance abuse, according to Chat GPT, throwing up theater, particularly in the 70s and 80s, Waits battled with alcohol and drug addiction.
However, he has been sober since the late 90s and has publicly discussed his recovery and the positive impact it's had on his life and creativity.
So apparently he did, he drank a lot at one point.
But I need a little bit like if somebody, like, if let's say if Jimi Hendrix was like clean, it would feel like what he's doing is a cinch phony for some reason.
I feel like the artist to that level or like a music artist specifically.
But I mean, you don't have to be, you know, you don't have to abuse drugs or alcohol to be a good artist, but it does kind of feel like it's more genuine.
It's like, wow, you're struggling with some stuff.
And it's almost like it feels like basically what's happening is you're like increasing your chances of death.
So it makes everything that you're saying more pertinent and more like dire.
But either way, so Tom Waits, ultra, ultra genuine seeming guy.
He didn't want to be involved in any commercial, but they he did a thing for a dog food commercial because he said he likes dogs and he just put his voice on this dog food commercial.
He was a little broke at the time.
And then he kind of like resented it and approached by like a Doritos commercial and they said, please don't.
No, I don't want to be a part of it.
Don't put my music in it very nicely.
And they went with an impersonator of his to do, and everybody thought it was him.
Like they were messaging him and emailing him or whatever, being like, why, why are you in a whatever commercial?
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And he's just so they had an impersonator that was so good that covered one of the songs.
And like a bunch of different ad campaigns wanted Tom Waits.
Like it's so strange.
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It seems a little like the same thing happened with the doors, though.
Like the Jim never wanted to sell Light My Fire to the door to whoever, to any advertisers.
Yeah, he kept blowing off meetings because he was getting so fucked up all the time that the band agreed without him to sell the rights to one of their old songs.
And then he shows up.
He's like, what the fuck is our music doing on a commercial?
And then a guy on a flute, and it's like some of the most amazing music.
So anyway, I can appreciate all sorts of uh melodies, time signatures, all the anywhere from complex stuff to like super simple garbage music, like whatever, like garage band music.
But I don't seek out music very often, and I never really have.
I just kind of wait for it to like find me in a way.
And a lot of good stuff I've heard just through friends playing it or it playing on top of the radio or something.
But Tom Waits, that's another thing.
It's like until Pat Dixon showed me it, I just refused to explore Tom Waits.
And I don't really understand what it comes from, but basically the motif is, you know, that famous part in American Psycho where Christian Bales characters like makes the major sense.
Yeah, yeah, all this music is music that has gone viral on like right-wing Sigma video.
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And so I'm going to go to this playlist.
If you want to get a collection of music, I recall just throwing to my right-wing extremist public playlist.
Listen through these 54 songs, see if there's any that you like.
They have the voice live, which is like the cheapest, but they have the voice live 3, which is the one I really want because it actually listens to like your guitar or keyboard input.
Yeah, this one says it does too, but you're right.
There are some artifacts here and there.
But you could always set the, and it's a pain in the ass too, but set the key at the songs and do key changes.
Like, good luck.
But yeah, so this is my, if you go to my Nope Yep SoundCloud or Ryan Catsu Rivera, either one, that's my plug.