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Oct. 7, 2021 - One American - Chase Geiser
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The Newsmax Documentary Socialism In America With Mandy Del Rio & Jack Thomas Smith | OAP #58
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Hey, hey, hey, it's the One American Podcast.
I'm so uh glad and honored to have these great guests on the show today.
Today we're gonna be talking about socialism in America and what they've been working on.
So I'll let you guys go ahead and introduce yourselves and tell me uh tell me about your new project.
Hey, Chase, I'm uh Jack Thomas Smith, and I am uh the executive producer and director of socialism in America.
And uh I'll send it over to Mandy.
I'm Mandy Delry, I'm one of the executive producers on socialism in America.
And uh so to tell you a little bit about the project.
Um so uh basically what this documentary is, uh we were contracted by Newsmax, um, and it was to to kind of uh show the rise of socialism in America.
Uh and we wanted to not only show how it's rising here in America, but we also wanted to kind of put it into historical context.
So what we did in this documentary was uh we had uh uh three guests, uh James Carafano, uh Stephen Moore, who was a uh economist for uh President Trump, uh Jesse Jane Duff.
Uh they were kind of our historians, economists, uh, to kind of lay out the history of socialism, you know, going back uh from the Industrial Revolution, uh Karl Marx, uh the Russian revolutions in 1917, China, Cuba, Venezuela.
Um, so we we kind of give the whole historical perspective of how it rose in those countries, uh and the similarities of how it's rising here.
Uh and in addition to that, uh, we also have four guests, uh, one from the former Soviet Union, one from China, one from Cuba, one from Venezuela, and they share their personal stories of living under socialism/slash communism.
Um, so we just wanted to be, you know, we wanted to be as historically factual as possible with this.
Um, but you know, we also, you know, if the the lefties out there want to start accusing us of right-wing propaganda, uh, you know, it's uh fine, try and discredit this.
I stand by all the facts of our documentary documentary, the historical facts.
But then we also wanted to have the the guests who actually lived under it to bring their personal experiences because you know, again, you want to attack us by all means.
Why don't you sit down and talk to them?
They actually lived under it.
They're not, you know, American socialists, whatever that is.
Sure.
So I've noticed that um in America there seems to be an emphasis on sort of society as a whole and the collective and a lack of emphasis, as there sort of traditionally has been on the individual and individual rights and what the individual can accomplish.
Is this sort of a common thread throughout all these other nations and historically that you've looked at in terms of how socialism came to the forefront?
Or is America unique in that we actually used to have a very um heavy cultural emphasis and consensus on uh the individual.
I mean, socialism completely annihilates individualism.
Um and as far as I I think it is becoming where you're not allowed to be an individual.
Um that's what we're seeing with the cancel culture.
Um, and you know, when you look back at all the the socialists and the communist countries, that's one thing they get rid of is is your individuality.
Um they want you to be one.
Everybody thinks the same, everybody looks the same.
Um, and that's we're seeing that from a certain fract faction of our country that they're trying to completely eliminate you know different ideas of thought.
Um, you know, they're rewriting history.
Um, but it basically your individuality, it doesn't exist under socialism.
And when we're we are seeing that with people, you know, you just just go on Twitter and you have a different opinion than um a certain side, and um they they want to shut you down, they want to shout you down.
Um so we're definitely seeing the parallels of you know the socialist countries that we definitely um researched and talked to people from and hear what's happening here now.
So, how long um how long did it take to put this project together?
It actually came together pretty uh pretty quick.
Um God, what were the dates on it?
I think it was uh the end of March of this year.
Uh uh, we signed with Newsmax to do this.
So essentially the way the whole process worked.
Um this was a case where um I came up with the concept.
Um, I pitched it to them and they actually greenlit it, which which was awesome.
Um, so you know, they they you know, I I wrote the treatment for it, sent it over to them, they approved it.
Um, and then we jumped right in on it.
Uh uh, you know, Mandy found our our four uh guests from the from the various uh countries, uh and they had their home runs.
I mean, they they are they're amazing.
Um, you know, and the stories, the personal stories that they shared.
I mean, it's you know, religious persecution, hunger, um uh censorship.
It's uh for one exam, one example.
Um, and I I don't, you know, I don't want to go off on a tangent here, but our fine.
This the shows for tangents.
Good, good.
Then I'm gonna go so our one guest, Helen Raleigh, she's from China.
Uh, she said that as a child, um, you know, they would only allow her uh three pounds of rice a month, uh, you know, to eat.
And I and you know, so it's it's it's this whole it's this whole constant theme of control and and you know yeah, conform and censorship and stay run media and and all that.
But anyway, I'll go back to the to the uh to the original question.
Um so we started shooting in March, um, and then we delivered this uh sometime in July, I would say.
Uh, you know, we we completed it in July, then it had to go through all the QC and all that.
Uh and it premiered uh uh last Sunday night and la and and last night as well.
Um so the process, yeah, thank you.
It was about a three to four month process, which for a documentary like this, uh, where we're we're essentially doing 200 years worth of history, about 260 of you, including the industrial industrial revolution, you know, in in a 43-minute documentary.
I mean, that kind of turnaround with with the interviews and with all the the historical footage that Mandy found, uh it was a huge project, and and we're we're very proud of it.
That's awesome.
So why is it do you think that given that basically if you talk to anybody from a socialist country who's actually experienced what socialism is like, their response is overwhelmingly negative, but yet we still see pushes domestically for these policies that lead to these outcomes.
Right.
And and I don't even know.
I I think a lot of it is um it's that old saying the those who don't know their history are bound to repeat.
I know that's not the actual thing.
I totally massacred that.
But um, I think that's part of it is that people either don't know or they forget, or they think they're gonna do it different.
And we've heard that a lot.
Everybody no one's done socialism correctly, no one's done com you know, communism correctly.
I've heard that even um so everyone thinks they have the the way of doing it, you know, where everybody's equal.
And but that that's that's not realistic.
There's a reason it hasn't worked out is because it won't work out.
Like that is not the system that it it's not made to work out.
So yeah, and if you don't mind if I can expand on that, I mean I mean the uh the the people who have lived under it who are against it, I mean the the answer is obvious.
They actually lived under it.
Right.
You know, they actually lived under it and they don't ever want to live under it again.
And the people here that are pushing for it have never lived under it.
So, you know, it's and and it's amazing, and and that's kind of uh Chase, that's what we were trying to do with this documentary, and that's why we wanted to show the history of it because it's so important to lay out the history, because apparently the people here who don't uh that do want it, they don't know the history because if they did know the history, they wouldn't want it.
Uh and Steve Moore actually says it in in the documentary.
He says, I want any anyone here who wants this to go live in Venezuela.
And they will come back here and kiss the ground when they come back.
And you know, and then we, you know, we we we kind of take our shots at Bernie Sanders in this and AOC and Talib and the squad.
And you know, we also don't hold back on Shea Guevara either.
Um, you know, it's amazing how so many people here, you know, because one picture right one picture of Shea Guevara, he's a rock star.
Okay.
The guy was a homophobe, he was a racist, he was a murderer.
Uh uh our one guest from Cuba, he you know, he said in the interview, which unfortunately it didn't make the final cut, but he said, you know, Shea Guevara would just sit up on a wall and sit there and smoke cigars while they, you know, the firing squads just mowed people down.
So, but you know, this guy's a rock star.
He's he's a hero to the left.
Yeah.
Well, the thing that's interesting about that particular story to me is that I can't imagine a situation in which any healthy, mentally healthy human being would do that, right?
So let's just say let's just take, for example, the the most obvious instance of evil throughout history, which throughout the 20th century, right?
Which is the um the Holocaust, right?
And there were the Nuremberg trials, and a lot of those guys were uh convicted of the four crimes and prosecuted accordingly.
And can you imagine if General Patton would have sat on a wall and smoked a cigar and watched the firing squads?
I mean, that's just totally inappropriate, right?
So even if Shea Guerrera was totally just in these prosecutions, which I'm not saying that he was by any means, but even if these people really needed to be shot by firing squad, the fact that he would just sit there and watch and smoke a cigar is really sick.
It's sick.
Yeah, people wearing them on t-shirts and like rage against the machine.
It is a great picture.
Yeah, I mean, oh, and don't forget motorcycle diaries.
Okay.
You know, the beautiful the beautiful art house film about Shea Guevara.
It was a beautiful film.
It was as a film a beautiful film.
But imagine if they did that about Hitler.
I mean, imagine.
I mean, he's he was a he was a horrible human being, yet they did this artistic, gorgeous film about, you know, he was so poetic and so deep and helped the lepers and yada yada yada.
But it's like, guys, uh, let's let's come back to Earth now.
You know, let's come back to reality.
Um, here's an idea for a film.
Okay.
So it's about a young man who just came back from World War One, and he's going around the countryside painting.
His whole dream of life now is to become a painter.
And we'll call it the countryside painter.
Okay.
I mean, it's Hitler, guys.
It's like it's this is how ridiculous is people are sick in the head.
It's it's it's mental illness, it's they don't know their history.
And uh, you know, so on on our end, we can't help their mental illness, but by doing this documentary, we can maybe help them understand history a little bit.
So did you did you notice a common thread in terms of how socialism manifests in that you the intentions are laid out in Brandon in the beginning as very noble, right?
So is there is there a motif of hey, we're gonna help the poor.
There's been a tremendous amount of corruption, you know, the the people have been stolen from by the establishment as it is.
And so, in order to, you know, uh uh attain justice, we have to overthrow the establishment and and just sort of create like a new order.
Is that that's sort of how it starts, right?
And everybody kind of wants to get on board with overthrowing the current form of corruption, but if it's just gonna be replaced by another form of corruption that's even worse than the place remote.
Exactly.
It's it's so true.
You know, it's funny.
My my mother taught me a very valuable lesson when I was a little kid about communism.
Um, she just showed my brother and I the cartoon of Animal Farm.
And um and kind of set it up like here's what's gonna happen in the movie.
And she said, you know, on paper, communism sounds like a good idea on paper.
Everybody's equal, everybody have you know should be treated like equals, and everybody should be able to, you know, just live and and walk the earth, you know, and and be happy.
And she said, Well, let me let me just you guys gotta watch this movie.
And um, the problem with this is there will always be um the pig named Napoleon, you know, who basically always wants the power and will always rewrite the rules.
And um, you know, it just doesn't work.
And I I I remember that lesson from when I was probably about six when she showed us that movie.
Um, but it's always the same, it is always the same same theme of and that's how they manipulate people, you know, they want everybody every how great does that sound that we all uh you know uh imagine, you know, imagine um, you know, there's no no borders and no money, and we just trade and we live this happy life.
Well, uh, you know, there's something to be said about about people being weak, you know, when they're all on the bottom, everybody is literally on the bottom, and there's always gonna be somebody on top.
Um, and we've just seen that there's an abuse of power every single time, it just doesn't work.
There's always gonna be greed, and it's and it's awful, but it's the truth.
Yeah, there's always gonna be people using power.
So when you when you looked into Karl Marx, you know, I I have mixed feelings about Karl Marx, and and I'm not as educated on him as I as I ought to be.
I've read uh Capital and I've read the Manifesto, but it seems to me that we have a situation where we have a disgruntled, brilliant mind who wrote about the ails of the time and offered a very, very hypothetical solution, right?
Which you never really saw play out himself.
And people always go back to people always go back to Marx to Marx to Marx.
And I don't I don't think that anybody would really make the claim that Marx was an evil person.
It seems like what he wrote and his ideas were used as a weapon by evil people to attain massive amounts of power.
So, what are your thoughts on Karl Marx himself and and his actual criticisms on the contemporary society at the time because there were issues of exploitation and labor at the time, right?
And it seems like communism is just an overcorrection, right?
Of course, of course.
And is isn't that the way it goes with everything?
I mean, it's it's almost like you know, you could say the the Quran, you know, the the radical Islamic terrorists, how you know they they they take this this passage and they completely twist it around to suit their psychotic vision of how the world should be.
Um, and you know uh you can't blame Karl Marx for everything that happened in the 20th century.
It's basically people's interpretation and and how they use this to suit their own needs.
Um, you know, and and you look at Karl Marx, uh, you know, he basically uh, you know, he he just he wrote this book.
I mean, that's it's pretty much all he did.
Um yeah, and he was he finance angles.
So I don't know how Karl Marx got all the credit for Marxism when Frederick Engels was kind of like backing him financially.
Um and uh to me, it just seemed like you know, Karl Marx didn't want to work very hard from from what we what we've you know, what I've learned, what we've learned.
And well, he was he was a raging alcoholic that's pretty well documented, yeah.
Yeah, well, that's not that that's that's it.
And um, you know, like I said, Frederick Engels was kind of the money behind him.
And um, it's definitely easy when you're spending other people's money to say how unfair it is to work so hard, you know, and and not get your dues.
Um, but also um, you know, I I think I think you're right in that he had the idea that he was more about the workers, um, but then you know, he laid the groundwork for you know, somebody saying, Well, Marx, his way isn't isn't enough.
Um, you know, the people leaving it up to the idiotic people and the workers, that's that's not doing anything.
That's not doing it right.
Um, and then steps in, you know, Lenin, who basically uh, you know, said, No, we need to, you know, the people we can't rely on to spread the message.
We have to actually hire revolutionaries.
We have to have professional revolutionaries going out there, and then the message is like, well, who are you doing this for?
Are you doing this for the working people?
Are you good?
Are you doing it for yourselves?
You know, um, the upper crust.
So and the educated.
So I agree with you that I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if Marx is, I think his ideas were a little bit more pure, but he still was kind of a mooch.
Right.
And it's that isn't that ironic that he was getting paid to write this.
It's right, right.
But you guys got paid to do your documentary.
So I'm just right.
Isn't it great?
God bless America.
Right.
And I'm just teasing, but uh um, the the point, another point that I I want to make too is that it seems to me that one of the beauties of America and why it's worked at least up and up until this point, as well as it has, is that we sort of though we have a centralized government, we sort of have like a very decentralized principle.
And what I mean is if if the government's emphasis is on protecting freedoms rather than managing means of production, then really there's no one that says how things should be done.
There's just liberty within a system, and then individuals create businesses and things change sort of in an unpredictable and spontaneous productive way.
But then when you have like a hyper-socialist or a hyper communist system, it requires a lot of top-down management.
And so the success of that system is hyper dependent on whoever is running it, right?
So you have a very different China when Mao is running it between 58 and 62, as you do today, right?
When it's president she.
And so one of the beauties of America as it was designed is the founders knew that there were going to be corrupt or foolish people running the helm throughout history at some point as it played out.
And the system was designed to withstand that, right?
It's sort of like McDonald's.
You go you get a Big Mac anywhere as bad as it tastes, it tastes the same at every bit at every McDonald's you go to, right?
Because the system is pure.
And so um uh is that something that you sort of saw with this sort of um as you were putting together this documentary is that this top-down management was really dependent on who how it played out was really dependent on who was running it.
I mean, yes, uh the the problem was though, was that in the 20th century, these guys were all the same, you know.
I I mean it was you know, even though they did it differently, it it would the end result was still the same.
Does that make sense?
It's it's you know, you look at Mao, you look at Stalin, you look at Castro, you know, and then you know, Chavez, you know, in in Venezuela, I mean, obviously he was nowhere near as bad as those guys.
Um but you know, it's so it's kind of like yes, yes and no.
It was like they were all bad, but they were bad in different ways, if if that makes sense.
Well, they're all trying to do it differently, too.
I think I think they were all it is kind of a everyone influenced somebody else, and they said, Well, I'm gonna do it this way, I'm gonna do it this way that works.
And um, you know, it's funny that you brought up our founding fathers because uh every day I'm like thank God I know we have that protection in our country, and and we learned that from the American Revolutionary War.
Um, you know, that's why you know we can't have soldiers come and invade our homes, you know, and um that's a why I mean, so many of our the you know the Bill of Rights was written because we learn from um you know the revolutionary war, so yeah.
How how smart were those guys, right?
Oh my god, they were smart, they were smart, but the funny thing is is if if if you don't get something absolutely perfect, even a small weakness plays out in a big way down the road, right?
It's like just being a little bit off at the T, right?
And by the time the ball gets to the green, it's way off.
And so I hope that I hope that there aren't too many vulnerabilities in the system that they set in place for us to you know correct some of these issues that we're facing.
And that kind of brings me into the next thing I wanted to talk about was sure, okay.
So we've kind of talked about socialism versus capitalism or freedom versus collectivism, and how how are you seeing socialism manifest in the United States, or how has it been manifesting in the United States, say since the industrial revolution or 1913 or FDR, whatever you want to, whichever one you want to pick, sort of different people argue different starting points.
Sure, sure.
Well, I mean, first of all, you have all the social programs, and you know, I know with with the New Deal, you know, obviously, you know, you you look at the the Great Depression, um, you know, things happen for a reason, you know, and and it's it's easy for us living now, where you look back at that time period and you say, you know, oh, they should have never started this.
But you know what?
If you were one of those guys that was living in 10 city, you know, uh you would have wanted the government to step in and help.
Even before that, Eugene Debs, uh, one of the earliest, probably what was he?
The was he the first socialist in this country that that we that we know of probably Eugene Debs.
and I think uh you know, with the with the need of unions and protecting people's working rights and making sure children weren't working in factories and getting their you know ears you know cut off or you know frozen off, like in you know, the what was it, the jungle.
Um, but I mean that really happened, it wasn't just in a book.
But my point is I think I think that um I again I think some of these people were doing it for the right reasons to protect you know the working class, um, because it was it was bad here for people,
uh you know, during the industrial revolution, and um so I think you know, with the rise of of somebody like Eugene Debs, you know, just wanting to like you know be there for the for the workers and the working class, but it's again it just it's it's uh you know the fine line between protection and corruption, which you know and it's also the it's also the different levels too.
It's you know, like again, like with FDR, it was you know, it was a bad time.
I mean, that was one of those where you know desperate times call for desperate measures type thing.
Yeah, people needed help, but then you you you flash forward to the great society of Lyndon Johnson, that's a whole different animal.
And to me, and we cover that in socialism in America.
That really, if if you really see what's going on in this country right now, a lot of its roots are back to the 1960s, and it has to do, you know, you have the great society, you have you know, the the radicals on the left,
the the protesters that essentially infiltrated the media and the education system, and you know, and here we are decades later, where so many people have been influenced by these radicals from the 1960s, you know, it's it's they play the long game, man.
I mean, that's that's the whole thing.
They're looking at it like I mean, you see it, you you see it with the open board, or you see it with with the indoctrination in our schools.
It's you know, they're looking at it like all right, we might not have that vote right this second, but 20 years down the road, we'll get that vote 40 years down the road.
Um, and that's kind of how socialism slash communism works.
It's always the long game.
And it creeps from within as well.
You know, we're seeing you know, we're seeing things happen like the mandates in in California, and uh what's happening.
Well, California in general is just like a socialist uh communist utopia in a weird way.
It's it's so bad.
I'm from there, so it really pains me to say that.
I lived there for three years.
Yeah, I know.
Did you?
What part?
Where were you lived in Orange County, Laguna Nigel?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I was up in Northern California, the Bay Area.
Um beautiful.
Oh, I know, isn't it?
What a shame what's happening there.
I mean, when you just imagine how pretty California is, and the opposite is how good the politics are.
Exactly.
I mean, I think I haven't been back for 10 years.
When I just 10 in 10 years, that place I I my family out there is like you won't recognize it.
It's not the same.
It's a shame.
It's horrible.
I mean, and think about how twisted this is.
So criminals got a pay raise, pretty much.
They they were able to the politicians.
I know, I know, yeah, I know.
Oh my god, I know.
Well, no, I mean, I mean, like real, like I mean, well, they're criminals too, but like people got basically they were able to steal up to 400 without it being like a crime, right?
They just got a pay raise to 950.
And and no one's really enforcing it.
We've all seen the video, we've all you know read the you know, read the stories about how you know you can just just it's a free for all.
But they're mandating this vaccine that's not even no one, oh my gosh, they're mandating that for children.
So basically forcing a vaccine, but criminals got a pay raise.
So that's just one example of how bad California is.
But then you're also seeing things like um socialism creeps in through, oh, I don't know, like the COVID bill, you know, like where where they're you know, it's supposed to be about helping Americans through a global pandemic, which is which is really bad.
Like, I mean, we were we were hit with a serious, serious disease.
Um right, but then and and people were out of work, and and then you're seeing you know, a COVID bill, and somehow there's there's money allotted for I think transgender studies, what was it in Pakistan?
Yeah, only 20% of it actually goes to COVID related stuff.
The other 80% is just belaria.
What is that?
That to me is how it creeps in.
That's like so obvious.
Right.
Well, one of the things that's really concerning to me about um how socialism seems to have played out historically, and you by all means are both more expert on this than I am.
This is just sort of my layman armchair assessment is that the more desperate a people are, the easier it is to implement these policies.
And it seems to me that in the United States there is incentive for socialists to catalyze the desperation of a people in order to um manifest the policies, right?
So the poorer people become, the greater the wealth gap between the rich and the poor, the more we inflate the dollar, for example, through these programs, the sort of like a down downward spiral because the programs create the problems that the programs are branded as solving.
So the more we create these programs, the bigger the problem gets, the easier it gets to make more programs, right?
And so have you seen that as something that's sort of played out too?
Like is it is it is it much easier in in desperate societies to sort of change the system to a socialist paradigm?
Oh, of course, of course.
And but here's the thing real quick point poor here is not poor, you know, somewhere.
I mean, right, like Venezuela and that or North Korea, okay.
I mean, like that's something that we have to really stress, okay.
You know, poor here, you can still get free housing, you know, you can get free phones, you can you know, you you have a heated home, it's you know, you have food, the ability to get you know uh food through the government, that type of thing.
So so poor here is not poor anyway, you know, anywhere else.
Um but yes, your your point is spot on.
They take full advantage of bad situations.
That's what Castro did in Cuba.
So you had the Batista regime, which was horrible.
I mean, the guy was basically a dictator.
So Castro came in with all the false promises that you know we're gonna become this this free elections, this wonderful society was able to get people to rally behind them.
So, you know, he takes over from Batista.
First thing he does is no, there's no elections.
I mean, and that's that's the stuff that they do, you know, they rewrite constitutions, it's all false promises, and that's how they rally people behind them and and get to power.
Now, with that being said, I truly feel sorry for the people of the 20th century, you know, especially in the Soviet Union where they had no idea what this new concept was.
Okay, I feel bad for those people, but present day we have a hundred years of history to show what this leads to and what happens, and that's where I get angry, and that's where I get frustrated because there is over a hundred years of history to show false promises, what happens when they come into power, you trade one dictator for another.
Um, and and again, going back to my original point about how poor here is not poor in North Korea.
Sure, so a lot of these problems are embellished.
A lot of these are exaggerated, and it's all this.
Oh, it's horrible, horrible, horrible, because it's a way for these leaders to manipulate people to brainwash people, divide the country as a whole in order for them to get into power.
Sure.
Well, and we see a little bit of that, and I don't want to get too controversial, but we see a little bit of that with the COVID stuff, right?
Where you see constant reporting on how there's there's you know, the the capacity in the hospitals is an issue, and they make it sound like it's because everybody's sick, but maybe it's because a lot of the nurses quit because they were mandated to get vaccinated and they didn't want to, right?
So, how are we supposed to know what the real cause of the problem is?
And so they create this fear because they're not specific or they manipulate statistics in order to sort of plug a narrative, they create this fear, and then the people respond based on emotion rather than reason.
Yep, 100%.
And that's a way to control people is divide, divide and conquer.
Yeah, and and there, you know, I think it's it's beyond me how Americans would rather blame other Americans for not getting a vaccine instead of where it came from the virus came from.
So and I don't want to get too you don't want to, but um, I just I find that uh that's such an obvious and obvious tactic.
Yeah, it came from China, you know.
I mean, it it came from China, but somehow this became president.
Well, it's a way to pit people against each other though, because now it's like, you know, you're dying, you know, your your grandma's dying because she got the vaccine, and so and so, you know, the the the anti-vaxxers, which I literally haven't met one person who's really anti-vax who doesn't want to take the you know, it anti-vax is totally different.
But um sure, you know, uh you know, they they're blaming they're saying you're dying because they don't want to get the vaccine, and and it's making people mad and it's making people lash out at people that don't trust the vaccine, you know, and that's just that's a that's an obvious tactic of dividing people.
So, you know, I a lot of people talk about Hitler as being on the right, but at the same token, you know, the party was the national socialist party, right?
And right, right.
So my question for you is as you were doing your research for this documentary, regardless of whether it actually got into the final product, um, what what did you learn about Hitler and sort of the left-right spectrum and and why was he so antagonistic toward communists?
Because he was explicitly against the communist party of Germany.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, I mean, you know, you don't have to hate one or the other.
I mean, you know, he sure he hated capitalism and he hated communism.
I mean, Hitler was a nut.
I mean, let's just he was not so mustache and his hair.
I mean, so unfortunately it didn't make it.
Um, you know, because it when if we would have dove into World War II, I mean it would have been three hour doc.
It could have been a three-week doc, you know.
I mean, when you start diving into all the aspects of that.
Um, but yeah, he was he was a socialist.
I mean, that's that's what they were.
I mean, you know, he only believed in only allowed capitalism because he needed it in order to fund the war machine.
Okay.
So, but again, he was against communism, he was against capitalism.
The guy was just a knot.
Yeah, it's religion.
He was uh yeah, I mean, the guy was nuts, and this this whole thing with with claiming that he's a right winger and everything.
Uh I've seen the parallels of I'm sorry, left is honestly in that.
Um, you know, fascism, it's funny because they'll throw a Google, you know, and you say, you know, this silencing the opposition is is is a fascist.
That's that's what fascists do.
They silence the opposition.
Um I've had people throw up a Google explanation of oh no, this is fascism, and it's a right wing authoritarian, you know, belief system.
And it's like, how is that right wing when you're doing the same thing?
I mean, you're disrupting people's freedom of speech, you know, you want to get rid of all of religion.
You don't, you know, you want to you want to crush people who are, you know, claim to be, you know, who who are religious.
Um, you know, I've seen I've seen it.
We've all seen it.
Uh the parallels between the way that leftists act is to me the same way the fascists acted, you know.
It's like how how is it that, you know, I think I think both sides are uh I think the right is kind of more on to the left.
I think in the beginning, like when during the Trump um rallies, you know, and Trump was running against Hillary and Bernie and you know, we were seeing a lot of a lot of the Bernie Brown shirts is what we all called them, um, disrupting Trump rallies.
And and we people weren't really getting it at first, I don't think.
Like, wow, you know, this is this is bad.
But then the right was getting privy to it, and we were getting more on guard.
And um, you know, I I don't really advocate, I don't advocate silencing anyone's freedom of speech or rallies or I I just uh you're an American, you got a right to say what what you want to say, but so do I. And that's that's the problem.
They're not, you know, they're not respecting.
Well I I think it depends on what you mean by right wing, right?
So a lot of people think like right wing is just like inherently traditionalist, right?
So okay, in that sense, I guess you could say Hitler was sort of right wing because he was All about traditional German values and traditional German culture.
That was something that he sort of used in order to gain his momentum.
But if you're thinking if you're talking like right wing in like the American sense of right wing, which is just sort of like a bill of rights, general sense of patriotism, pro-capitalist, pro-smusiness right wing.
That's a completely different thing.
So I think that we often confuse what like European right wing is versus or or what 20th mid-20th century right wing is versus what contemporary right wing is.
Just so just because you're a Republican doesn't mean that you're closer to Hitler than you are farther from him, right?
It doesn't that just a really oversimplification.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you know, but again, this is all about rewriting history now.
And that's again, you know, and this comes back to our documentary, and and you know, the the whole point of what we're talking about is what comes with this with leftism, communism, socialism, whatever you want to call it, it's always revisionist history.
Okay.
Um, the one that I love is, you know, the Republicans are racists.
Well, the Republican Party, they're the party of racism, historical racism.
And it's like, okay, well, the Southern Democrats were the slave owners, okay?
Sure.
Southern Democrats created the KKK, Jim Crow, okay.
Um, and then they always talk party shift, party shift.
Okay, well, when did all these party shifts happen?
Because Woodrow Wilson was the one who implemented segregation in federal buildings, and that was you know, 1916, 1917 approximately.
Uh, you know, he screamed birth of a nation at the White House.
He was an open racist, okay.
Then, you know, you you keep going forward with Franklin Roosevelt with Japanese internment camps.
That was pretty racist, okay.
Um, keep moving forward.
Um, and then you had Bill Clinton signing the Defense of Marriage Act, which you know prohibited same-sex marriages.
So again, we're all homophobes, okay?
Everyone on the right is a homophobe.
So, and now our current president, he wrote the crime bill, okay, which we all know what the what the impact was of that on the African American community.
So, my point is is that how did they somehow shift this?
That the Republican Party is the party of historical racism, and the Democrats aren't.
They're the freedom fighters, and and they're the ones that you know that that you know, they they were always about civil rights and and you know, individual uh uh liberty and all that.
And I I just it just boggles my mind.
And and then I'll go actually one one more point on that is that you know, uh let's say that is true, that there were these party shifts and all that.
So that you know, that slave owner back in you know the 1800, he shifted and became a Republican, as they like to claim.
So he's still alive and voting, you know, the the racist cop in the 1960s who was a Southern Democrat and became a Republican.
He's sold you know, 50-year-old sheriff in a small town in in uh Alabama, he's still alive and voting.
It's just it's all about revisionist history, and it's always about what serves the agenda.
That's really interesting.
So what is the solution, given that there's not really anywhere to run?
That's the million dollar question.
Um, I mean, the the solution on that is uh God, we gotta we we have to teach our kids.
I mean, that's that's honestly what the solution is is you know, everything that I just said to you, those are facts.
I mean, those are historical facts, what I just said, but now I'll be called a racist for saying that, okay.
Um and apparently I don't understand party shifts and all that.
So, you know, I just laid it out to you, and I'll challenge anyone on that.
Sure.
Um, but it's we have to teach our children our true history, and and sometimes it's not pretty, you know.
I mean, yeah, slavery was horrible.
It was wrong.
Jim Crow was horrible, okay.
Uh, Japanese internment camps were horrible.
I mean, these uh no country is perfect, but are we the best country in the world?
Yeah, because you know why?
If there is something that's wrong, we deal with it, we try to correct it, and we try to give everyone, you know, uh what what what what what did what did Steve Moore kept saying?
You know, we're not about our country is not about equal outcome, it's equal opportunity, and that's what makes our country amazing.
So to answer your question, yeah, it's up to us.
I mean, you know, that's the whole point of a documentary like socialism in America.
It's laying out the historical uh perspective of what happened with with socialism, how it infiltrates these countries with false promises, and you know, we're gonna replace this guy and everything's gonna be better.
Um, it also gives the personal perspective of people that lived under it.
That's the best thing we can do.
I mean, we we've got to fight this propaganda that's going on in the colleges and in the public school systems, and I I guess my my question in general to to the people like someone like Bernie Sanders or people that want to indoctrinate our youth.
What is the end game?
What what is your end game here?
If socialism slash communism comes to this country, is that really what you want?
Is that really the society that you want?
And you know, when and you know, Chase, it's funny, especially like in the movie business, you see so many people in Hollywood that oh, I'm for Bernie, I'm for socialism.
If that truly happens, the entertainment industry is gonna shut down because if all these state sponsored right, if uh yeah, right.
I mean, yeah, there were so many great things.
Like the lives of others, like great movie, yeah.
I mean, you remember that movie?
Great movies that came out of the Soviet Union, you know.
But my point is is that you know, what drives Hollywood is is capitalism, it's investment.
You have hedge funds financing these movies, and if all this money is getting gobbled up by the government, well, it's also do you want the government to tell you how to make a movie?
Sure, because I don't know, which they kind of already do because the award ceremony has gotten so virtue signaling.
Right totally spot on with that.
Now there's a checklist basically to make a TV show on Netflix on you know, right?
What percentage of your cast or crew is ex-minority or imagine I mean, is that what really people want?
Is that what people want?
I mean, you know, are you I heard that they're eliminating blind auditions from like the New York Symphony or something?
Did you hear that?
That I don't know, yeah.
But so apparently up until now they've done blind auditions, so they just listen, and whoever sounds the best gets the job.
They can't even tell that they're white or black or Asian or whatever, and they're they're trying to eliminate that.
So I hear this is just a rumor that I've heard, trying to eliminate that in order to make sure that there's equity of outcome in terms of racial uh representation.
How about just you're gonna lose so many so many people doing this?
You're gonna you know, miss out on so many talents and and and I don't think it and I want to be clear, nobody's saying that we shouldn't find ways to improve the opportunities for minority communities, right?
Nobody's saying that minorities are never gonna be as good at the violin as white people.
Nobody's actually making these explicitly racist claims.
Nobody really believes that.
I mean, there's this there's a small group of people that believe that, but nobody listens to those guys, they're just jerks, okay?
But it's so we're not saying that we shouldn't figure out ways to fix the public school system or you know, give give families resources in order to be able to spend more time with their kids or whatever to prevent crime.
Nobody is against any of these types of programs.
I think the issue is when we do this sort of affirmative action, and then you know, you get on an airplane and there's like a minority female pilot, and you wonder is that person the pilot because they're awesome at being a pilot, or are they just are they flying this plane because you know that there needed to be a quota met, right?
Yes, and and yeah, so it's scary.
It's actually more racist.
Yeah, it's actually more racist.
You're you're treating people like they can't do anything on their own merit.
So you're supposed to just be color and not talent or skill.
I mean, you you want they want they want me to see a person as just their skin color first and and treat them like they're like they're lower than me.
So I gotta give them an opportunity.
Who who the heck am I to do that?
You know, who why would you know I don't I don't understand these these liberals and and especially you know, the I I just don't I'm sorry, but white liberals to me, that's pretty racist.
If you're if you think that you know these people need need your you know, your touch, you know, minorities need you to to lift them up.
That's that's that's not right.
That is the racism.
Yeah, that is I'll tell you this real quick.
Our editor on socialism in America, Carl George, he's African American.
I hired him because he's good.
That's simple.
I mean, I don't care.
He I'm not gonna see people for just their skin color, and I don't care.
He's good.
Good editor.
That That's it.
That's it.
I I couldn't care less what his race, I religion.
I don't care.
Just good.
Why?
Why is that so hard to do?
I mean, that's that's all we have to do is just judge people.
Look, I I I live by Martin Luther King, you know, judge a man by the content of his character and not the color of his skin.
That's how I live my life.
Exactly.
Yep.
Straight from the speech.
So where can people find your documentary?
I know it's airing this week.
I'd love I want I want to hear dates and times.
So where can they find it after it airs to restream?
Go ahead.
You can make that.
Okay.
So um well, uh it's airing again tomorrow, the uh Tuesday morning at 5 a.m.
Uh it's October 5th at 5 a.m.
Okay.
Yeah, October 5th.
Um, and then it's airing again Friday, October 8th, um, again at 5 a.m.
So D VRs can be set, and you know that's early.
Um, and that's 5 a.m.
Eastern, by the way.
Um, and then we're hoping after that.
A lot of times they do show um our documentaries like randomly throughout like the month.
So sure.
Um, you know, newsmax.com would be a great place to check that out.
Um, and and see the schedule and see when it's gonna air.
Awesome.
Well, thank you guys so much for both coming on.
I've really enjoyed this conversation.
I'm excited to watch your documentary and uh keep up the great work that you guys are doing and let me know if there's anything that I can do to be helpful.
Thanks for watching.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having us.
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