Where Should We Draw The Line On Free Speech With JD Rucker And Chase Geiser | OAP #51
JD Rucker is the Co-Founder of FreedomFirstNetwork.com and the Editor of TheLibertyDaily.com.
In this episode we discuss freedom of speech and whether or not any speech should be regulated or if regulating speech at all creates a slippery slope bound to infringe on speech rights that should be protected. We also discuss what's going on with the pandemic and the political and corporate response to approaches they deem controversial.
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JD, how are you doing?
I'm doing fantastic.
How are you?
I'm doing well.
Thanks again for uh coming on.
JD and I go way back.
We've shared, I don't know, maybe 15 words.
I was gonna say I thought, uh, where's he going with this?
And then oh, sarcasm, great.
I need to be able to do it.
Am I gonna have to play a lot of it?
Yeah.
So um I noticed that we were added to the same uh Twitter messenger group.
I think that's how I found you.
And uh I thought that you'd be a cool guy to have on the show.
I know very little about you other than that you're a cool guy.
So can you give me this?
Can you give me the skinny?
You clearly know nothing about me if you think I'm cool, because I'm pretty pretty darn lame, actually.
Um I'm a podcast.
I have NOQ report.com.
I'm co-founder of Freedom Fresh Network.com.
Uh we also publish at American Conservative Movement.com, conservative playbook.com, based underground.com, truthbased media.com, uncancelled dot news, conservative playlist dot com.
I think that's it.
Um I'm also no cue, is it a is it QAnon related?
NO QUE JUST NO QU Stands for News Opinions and Quotes, even though uh John B. Wells told me that it should be news opinions and questions, mostly because I don't really do quotes anymore.
So uh that was a you know a concept that we came up with in 2017.
It's like, hey man, we'll make like memes and of quotes and people will share it, and it really never worked out.
So thinking about changing it.
Actually, we're probably just going to move everything over to a new website soon.
Um so we're breaking news right now, right here.
Awesome on this show.
What's the name of the show?
One American Podcast.
One American podcast.
We are breaking this news right now on the One American Podcast.
Um, so congratulations, sir.
You should be honored.
And I am thank you.
I feel I feel very honored.
And I think you're super cool now that you're on my show.
So I'll send you a diploma.
It'll be about it'll be worth as much as one from Harwood.
Nice.
I generally do research.
I know that that my good buddy Jeff Dornick, um, you've been on on his show or vice versa.
And you know, I was meaning to do research, and then today just got away from me.
And I never actually I don't go into interviews blind usually, but well, at least I don't intend to.
It seems like it happens about half the time.
So I don't even know.
Are are you an American citizen?
Yes, I am.
I you born and raised.
Libertarian, leftist, progressive, radical.
It's funny.
That's uh um, that's actually how I named the podcast because I was tired of people asking me if I was a Republican or a Democrat.
So I guess I I'm just one American.
Uh Democrats tend to think that I'm a radical right-wing Republican, and Republicans tend to think that I'm uh I don't know what they think.
They tend to humor humor the humor when they disagree with me because I agree with on the on the more important issues.
I don't know.
I wouldn't say that I'm a libertarian because I believe that government should exist in some form or another.
But um uh it seems to me the libertarians have kind of gone closer to like an anarchist type bend than you know, maybe they used to be a hundred years ago.
And I'm not an anarchist.
Right, but I believe in individual liberty, second amendment stuff.
Um I can I consider myself a Christian, though most Christians probably wouldn't because I'm a I'm very secular Christian.
Um so I'm conservative in that sense, but I don't know.
I have I don't line up with any party really perfectly.
It's hard for me to find out.
I'm an independent.
Yeah.
So how do you like that?
How's it working out?
It's easy during primaries, I just don't vote.
Yeah, yeah.
No, yeah, no, no, no, kidding.
Do you think there's ever gonna be a third party in America?
Yeah, we tried to do that.
A viable one, you know.
So it would take it would take a Trump.
Okay.
I mean, and I I'm talking somebody of that stature with, you know, we're talking at least bare minimum two and a half billion dollars in in backing in order to get a viable third party.
So the the challenge there is you know, you can get a third party started.
You can get it going.
You can get it, you know.
Um that stuff is easy, as the libertarians have proven for the last last three decades.
It's easy to get a party going but you have to be able to break through the atmosphere you have to be able to to achieve um enough velocity to be able to actually make it into that space because everywhere outside of of that space is where the Republicans and the Democrats reside.
That's why they have control and nobody's been able to get enough enough speed enough momentum to be able to do that.
It's kind of like you can take a 747 you can get it up you know 30,000 feet.
But you'll never take it into space it just can't happen.
And so unless you were to take somebody like a Trump and um you know or even an Obama you know we'll we'll take it from the other side you know uh let's say Obama decides that he wants to the the Democratic party has been has gone too far to the left and wants to have more of a common sense centrist party you know that will end up still being too far to the left but whatever you know he could probably pull it off with the with enough financial backing.
But outside of probably those two men and maybe a handful of others or say raise the amount to to five to ten billion dollars um no you could not have a viable third party there's just not you can't get the ground swell and it's just too hard.
You know our greatest strength right now to be able to do something like that would be the internet and our greatest weakness for being able to do something like that right now would be the internet because yeah we have the attacks coming from both sides.
So no and the censorship too is a whole nother is a whole nother issue.
I mean with the Weinsteins they tried to do was it the Project Unity or Unity 2020 where they they tried to kind of do this newfangled thing and not that it would have ever worked but the fact that it was just immediately censored is really kind of interesting.
Yeah but but I mean but they were all it wasn't just censored they were but they were kind of cheating so let's let's throw that familiar with that yeah it's just please please enlighten me.
No, no, it's not a big deal.
It's just there was a little bit of, they got busted doing some.
No kidding?
What did they do?
Nothing bad.
Just fake accounts, bot accounts, purchased accounts, you know, stuff.
I was just a day, as a matter of fact, for the same thing, not from them, but from a conservative news outlet.
It's like, hey, would you like to be paid to promote our site?
It's like, God.
Yeah.
No.
So do you think that's, you know, I've thought about this a lot.
I'm in digital marketing as a career.
And do you think that that was something that Unity 2020 did?
Or do you think that it was just sort of a rogue fan, you know, kind of went crazy?
Because I thought, man, you know, they ban accounts for buying fake followers.
What if somebody just bought AOC, like, you know, 10 million followers overnight?
Well, no, no.
Keep it in mind.
So they, no, I mean, they don't.
They don't ban accounts for buying fake followers.
They'll ban them for buying sock puppets.
They'll buy them.
They'll ban them for purchasing tweets, let's say, or Facebook likes.
I see.
But buying followers is something that that's actually, there's nothing in the terms of service that says that that's against the rules.
Artificially inflating an account is not illegal.
Artificially inflating a post is against the terms of service.
So you would have to, somebody would have to, and here's the thing is that, you know, Twitter and Facebook, as much as I dislike both of them, they've both, they've both been, been through this, you know, thousands, hundreds of thousands of times already.
They know how to recognize what's real and what's fake.
And I'm certain that there have been people who have gone out and, and tried to do exactly what you just said, which is to try to sabotage an account by, by, you know, go into framing them, making it look like, yeah, you know, what the sites are called.
Um, what is it?
A mechanical Turk, I think is, is one of the old ones.
I don't know if it's even still around, but, you know, going there and saying, Hey, I'll pay five cents for, for reach tweets on AOC's account, you know, and, uh, they, they would recognize it.
They would be able to determine they probably have, have people there that, that, that will tell them, Hey, yeah, this, this was purchased in, in, uh, Scandinavia by, by, uh, Boris, you know, this wasn't an AOC move.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
Do you think that, um, do you think that the social media platforms have been fair in the way that they've enforced their terms?
Or do you think that the censorship is intentionally one-sided that we've seen?
No, of course there's, there's no, no fairness involved in social media.
It's they're not platforms.
these are content content networks that take advantage of platform protection through section 230 but then you can't consider them to be actual platforms You know, because they do put editorial bias into it.
That's unambiguous.
They could say all day before Congress that they don't, except they do.
That's it's demonstrable.
They absolutely positively 100% do.
And so, you know, but I mean, what are we supposed to do about it?
We have effects GOP in Congress and they uh and a democratic party that actually likes what's happening.
So nothing's ever going to happen with Section 230 or with with these protections unless somebody, uh private citizens take it and they go through the court system.
If they can get the evidence out through the court system and not stop waiting around for legislation or signing petitions or calling for boycotts or this, that or the other, then there could actually be something that could happen.
But right now, you know, the prospects of that happening are nil.
Well, the idea that that Twitter and Facebook would be held liable for any content on their platform is sort of the other direction is is alarming too.
Because I mean, I I understand they're not exactly platforms because half the tweets I see in my feed have disclaimers that have been added by Twitter, right?
And so they're certainly they're certainly adding their own the uh position into the into the content that's consumed on these platforms, so to speak.
But the the idea that they could be held liable, say if a mass shoot or live streamed, you know, uh right.
So I guess new legislation would have to come in to protect them despite the fact that they're they're no, I mean, yes, uh section 230 in principle is is absolutely necessary.
Okay.
The the concept of it does make sense.
And this is where it comes down to actions that are taken.
You have to have number one, you have to have a reasonable sense of legality when it comes to to something like that.
Like you said, a mass shooter goes on Facebook, Facebook, you know, um, if somebody wants to sue, they would have to demonstrate that Facebook was made aware that it was escalated to the appropriate people, and that then they did not take action.
That's different.
Right.
Okay.
That's similar to what's already happening with Twitter right now with the uh lawsuit by the parents of the the 14 year old, well at at the time, 13 and 14 year olds, whose pictures were put up on on Twitter and shared widely, you know, through DNS.
Is this the is this the human or the was it child sex uh was it child porn?
Is that what it was?
Or yeah, it was child porn, it was illegal content.
They were Twitter was made aware, they said they replied to the mother of the victim that they did not see it as a problem, and it wasn't until seven days later when the Department of Justice intervened and demanded that they take it down.
That's when Twitter, Twitter finally said, Oh, okay, fine.
Now, a situation like that, where again, look an illegal action was taken, was you the platform was used for for illegal distribution of child porn.
The platform was made aware of it, the platform willfully declined to take down the content and allowed it to stay up until you got Washington, DC and literally the Department of Justice to make a call and to get it finally taken down.
Should they be held accountable for that?
Absolutely.
Because that's not something where it's like, oh, you know, well, you know, it was uh it was a mistake or it flew under the radar.
They they looked at it and determined this is acceptable content.
It's illegal, but it's acceptable on Twitter.
So what do you think happened there?
Do you think that they didn't believe the person was underage?
Do you think that it was just a bad employee that was like just clicking through and just declining every appeal?
Like what happened?
It I don't know.
I don't know the details.
I just know the storyline behind the details, and the storyline itself is damning.
I'm not suggesting that that Facebook that Twitter is guilty.
I'm suggesting that that the evidence that we know of and the evidence that the judge has seen has allowed the case to go forward, and that's a righteous push.
Okay.
That's something where okay, so now that's that's a lawsuit that makes sense.
Okay, it it passes the smell test.
It seems to be, you know, now now let's find out what the details are and determine if there is guilt.
Those determine if there was were uh if there needs to be damages paid, you know.
And I'm not again I'm not taking aside on that.
Sure.
I'm just saying that I'm glad that the judge pushed forward despite section 230.
Because again, we're talking about legality here.
You cannot use a a an obscure code to say, oh, yes, it's illegal, but it's okay because they're protected.
I'm not a big fan of that.
Right.
Do you think that there's any Um speech that should not be protected.
Do you think that it do you think that it should be legal to be able to yell fire in a crowded theater as a classic example?
So I'll give you a better example.
I love it.
Let's say let's say uh, you know, I'm I'm happily married for nearly three decades.
I have four children.
Congratulations.
It's hypothetical.
Thank you.
This hypothetical is very different from reality.
But let's say I had a girlfriend, okay?
And let's say that we broke it.
Who wouldn't date this, right?
Uh so you know, uh I I have this girlfriend, we break up, you know, on bad terms.
And I should I be allowed to say, hey, Twitter, hey, Facebook, you know, here's a picture of my girlfriend, not naked, not nude, you know, just a uh a legal picture of of my girlfriend.
She's hot, she likes this, she likes that.
Here's her address.
Here her key, her key is you know, hidden here.
She keeps a spare key right here, and she takes ambient at around midnight on Tuesdays, and she is out cold, you know, for at least three or four hours.
Okay.
Should I be allowed?
Is that is that protected speech?
I didn't break the law.
Okay.
I didn't.
Didn't technically break the law there.
An awfully shitty thing to do.
It is, you know, but but should, you know, and then of course if something goes and happens to her, should I be held liable for that?
That's the question.
Is is is free, you know, did I break, I didn't tell anybody to do anything?
I didn't, you know, pay a hit man or uh or a racial facts, right?
I just listed some facts.
You're right.
So does that make me, you know, is that protected speech?
I would say not.
You know, um, I think that the vast, vast, vast majority of speech should be protected, but I'm not an absolutist when it comes to this.
I am a right on the edge.
Okay.
The what people call hate speech, I think it's free speech.
You know, for the for the most part, you know, if I were to if I were to say, you know, I shouldn't get now, let's be clear.
There's a difference between cancel culture and you know, legal, um, the legalities behind speech.
So if I were to say, you know, oh man, you know, well, I'm not even gonna say it because it's hard for me to even say these things because you're also talking to to basically a prude who who very rarely, if ever curses, let alone it could be it could be a banable offense too on YouTube.
You're right.
It's funny, that's it crossed my mind.
It's like, well, if I say that, is that gonna get me canceled?
Um, you know, no, I'm not yeah, yeah, that's true.
Point is I'm not I'm not an absolutist.
I think that there are scenarios that, you know, like you said, is it legal to to walk into a building and you know, make a a statement, you know, fire yell fire in a burning theater that ends up killing four people who get trampled because you know, even though there was no fire, and your intention was to kill them.
Should that be protected speech?
I don't think so either.
So how do you how do you make a system a legal system or legislation that can make those those type of instances illegal without creating a slippery slope?
Yeah, I mean you can't you're you're asking the million dollar question there.
Um we all have our like Jordan Peterson says, who determines what's offensive?
Right, exactly.
You know, and I mean I think that I think when it really comes down to is you know is speech intended to harm.
And I'm not talking about harm someone's feelings.
Right.
Is speech intended to you know cause is speech used in the act of a crime or on or to set up as a predicate for a crime, um, you know, even a minor crime.
Should that be the consideration?
And I would say that's as close to my view of of acceptable as possible.
You know, should I be able to go to go yell a uh a racial slur at somebody in public?
Depends.
You know, it depends upon the situation.
I'm not I'm not I'm not kidding.
I hate to say it, but that's kind of it really depends on the.
So like what do you mean?
So like what would be an appropriate time to shout a racial slur?
Well, again, we're talking about legal, not appropriate.
Legally, I'm not saying it's appropriate.
I'm saying, should I go to jail if I were to see you in the in the uh, you know, did I break the the you know um my breaking hate speech laws if I say you know, whatever.
I don't again, no need to repeat it.
You understand what I mean when I say racial slurs.
I understand.
Um, was it was my intention to do emotional harm?
You know, yes, that's why people use racial slurs.
If should that be illegal?
Probably not, you know, and again, I'm not a I'm not a uh an attorney here, but I also you know, I'm not I do have at least a certain sense of of understanding, and here's the important part is if there's a takeaway to all this, it's that the chances of free speech getting out of hand are far less than the chances of our first amendment rights being suppressed.
So if I'm looking at this just from an odds perspective, okay, I'm going to err on the side of free speech because the attacks going in the other direction are far more prevalent and today far louder than anything that we can say and do.
It's funny I got retweeted by Candace, or I I wrote a story about so can't um are you familiar with the Candace Owens Aspen um COVID tests.
Yeah, I saw you got retweeted yesterday, last night, I think, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So in the so the the reason I bring that up, I'm I'm not name jumping, eh, I got it.
No, no, no, no, it's fine.
The reason I was saying that is because I got to experience I generally have a you know, I have a pretty tame Twitter account, but um, you know, and I'm blessed with not having a whole ton of trolls that are out there who who attack me, but because she retweeted it, I was copied on, you know, I got all these comments every time somebody comes in there and says something, I get copied on it.
You know, it's in my notifications.
And so that was like, oh, you know, wow, this is really eye-opening, and everybody's like, oh, you know, you're so basically you're saying bake the cake bigot and and this stuff, you know.
Um you guys are are hypocrites from that.
And here's the thing is that the article itself and the actions that she's taken, none of them were against this person's right to run their own business, right to s to say whatever they want to say, right to deny service.
This all came down to to you know, us both her and me pointing out the lunacy of what we're seeing, the the potential hypoc, not just hypocrisy, but more importantly, the the tyranny that can evolve from this.
And tyranny doesn't just have to come from government.
I know by definition it does, but what we're seeing is the that oppression from local businesses, from from educators, from people in authority, not just government people, you know, everybody is starting to become a COVID vaccine nanny.
And I'm again, I'm coming in blind, so for all I know, you're out there, you're out there with uh Jill Biden uh pushing for vaccines all day.
So I'm I I am uh as opposed to vaccines as you can possibly be, yet still have one.
So I got the change vaccine, but I like line up with every single anti-vaccine talking point.
Okay, so well at least you at least you got the direct spike proteins in the same thing.
That's what I did.
I got it.
I've got a pre existing condition.
We had a baby that was born really early, and I know babies never die from it, so don't get me wrong.
I'm I'm familiar with the issue, but I just decided, you know what, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the risk and get the vaccine.
And um but I I hate I this was back in April, and this is like before things started to get really heated in the argument.
I think that if I would have waited to get the vaccine and seen the um the authoritarianism that was really going to come into the conversation, I probably on principle wouldn't have.
Um, but you know, I just thought it's J and J. How many they've only been in a few lawsuits.
So I got it.
All right.
Uh you guys understand why people don't understand why people don't want to get it.
I totally understand uh why people are reluctant.
I I I made a tweet about it.
I said, you know, it's like um it's like uh if you were to go into uh uh a gas station and grab a Snickers bar and you buy it, and as you're walking out, the clerk says, by the way, you're crazy if you think there are any razors in that Snickers bar.
You'd be like, are there?
And I feel like the left, the way they've acted about the vaccine has made people more reluctant to get the vaccines than they would have been had nobody ever said anything, you know, it's like and so I don't know.
And I I think there's there's good science um, you know, supporting the uh side effects as being an issue.
I think what's happening is that I think a lot of people on the right are um overcalculating the side effects, and a lot of people on the left are just pretending that they don't exist at all.
When I think both of those are mistakes, but I could be wrong.
No, I think that's fair, you know, and I think yeah, I think I hope you don't hate me because I got a vaccine though.
No, no, no, no.
I've got I have many friends.
I actually had it's funny.
I told you you were cool.
You have many friends.
This is gonna be a motif, man.
Yeah, there we go.
Lieutenant General Tom McInerney had gotten the first shot of I've don't remember if it was Pfizer or Moderna, and he went in and uh you know, it was he was actually going in to get something something else done with skin treatment, and uh he actually used doctors that hey, while you're here, you know, you just go down and get the shot.
This is early on.
He's like, Oh, okay.
So he gets his jab, and then he gets he calls uh his doctor friend who's not who's not a you know his doctor, but who's a friend who is a doctor, and she's like, No, you know, suck it suck out the poison, you know, get get somebody to suck on your arm.
Get, you know, and um and since then, you know, he has become you know uh very adamantly opposed.
But the reason I bring him up is because you know, I think he does fall in line with with what you're saying as far as why is it so hard for us to get the message out about the vaccines.
I think a lot of it starts with um we're making them sound um so bad that people don't think it's real.
They think it's just conspiracy theory.
Yeah.
Here's the problem though, is that's effect.
Yeah, but here's the thing is that in many ways, the facts are so bad, right, that you have to almost tone them down in order to get people to to look at them and then you know, kind of ramp it up slowly versus just hitting them with with you know whatever, you know.
Well, I think from from an anecdote from an anecdotal standpoint, I've been fortunate enough not to know personally a single person who's been hospitalized from COVID.
However, I do personally know several people who have been hospitalized after taking the vaccine.
Yeah.
Several, I think or four.
Maybe two minutes three.
Yeah, I mean, but how many friends do you have?
Like nine?
So that's like most of them.
Right, right.
Like 33% of the people I spent time.
It's like a plurality.
This within the margin of error statistically speaking.
Spoken like a true popular kid.
No, we um, you know, it is it is hard.
And you're right.
I think that they say on one side you say they say there's no side effects.
On the other side, they say that that anybody who takes it is is doomed to die.
You know, they're they're not gonna see 2022.
You know, the legions should start popping up on their skin at any moment.
Um, and we do we do need to look at this in scientifically.
And this is where we go back to both mainstream media and big tech as being, I think the root cause to the lack of discourse.
Okay.
You know, you you can't say anything.
You can't even mention the word ivermectin.
Okay.
I posted a tweet today that showed the difference in deaths per hundred thousand people in Africa, where ivorymectin is is readily available to about half the population.
Okay, over the counter.
And yeah, it shows Ivermectin, ivermectin um countries and then non-Ivermectin countries, and it shows the graph of of deaths.
Didn't India it's true and close.
Didn't India just issue it to the population?
Yes.
How did it work?
You know.
Um, I don't know.
See, but over there they do, don't they hold cows in very high esteem?
Like the like saying something for a cow is not like a diss.
Oh, I get wait, wait, this is a a cow dewormer than it's gonna be.
I should be I should be allowed to to take it then.
This is great.
It's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.
Yes.
I hold cows in higher high esteem as well.
I have a ribeye.
I've never heard of a cow getting COVID, man.
It's the Ivermectum.
You know, I actually have.
I actually have.
I'm not kidding.
Yeah.
I actually had a couple of smartest cows.
You're in Michigan.
Oh no, I mean they this they're it actually is they're testing it in there they are they did find it in a cow they found it in some dogs they found it in deer in Michigan to the point that now you know there was this group that started forming until the authorities came and said no no no no no guys put your guns down no need to go hunt down all the deer in in Michigan you know um yeah it's yeah it's uh it's a crazy disease people and I think that's uh the other part of it you know you're we're talking about how the right can over overblow the uh
the adverse reactions.
There's also the underplaying the realities of COVID.
Listen, COVID-19 is a real disease.
It is a legitimate disease.
It is extremely risky for anybody over the age of 70.
Okay, it is.
Okay, and I've known people that are, you know, and it progresses, you know, once you get into, like I've known people in their 20s who have gotten, and it's like, I didn't even know I had it.
I've known people in their 30s that are, you know, it's kind of mixed there depending on their level of health.
people in their 40s it's like man this this kicked my butt okay and we saw Joe Rogan he's like he's like I thought I was gonna die for a day but I took yeah he's 54 you know so then you you go up and you know and the one person that I personally know who died from COVID was in his 60s.
Okay.
I'm sorry by the way that I don't know any somebody who died of it.
Yeah, it's sad.
Old colleague.
Very sad scenario there because...
Wasn't Phil Valentine, was it?
No.
No.
No, this guy was, you know, not only was he in his 60s, but he weighed probably about 360 pounds.
So he was kind of an ideal candidate to not be able to survive it.
You know, but you're going up.
So the statistics, and you can look at the Stanford study that is quote-unquote released, except you can't share it because Facebook will fact-check you on it.
It's pretty hilarious because you have two Stanford PhDs who have been doing the same study.
They're studying for infection fatality rates amongst the various age groups, and they've been doing this since last May.
So they've been doing this on an ongoing basis, you know, publishing the reports.
You can't post their new reports.
If you do, these virologists, these experts from Stanford with PhDs, if you post their study that shows that anyone under 70 has a less than 1% chance of dying from COVID if they're infected, if you post that, Facebook will replace it with a link to a fact check written by a grad student who has no scientific background, and it was written months ago.
This is what was posted.
You know, and I think it's got to be lower than 1%.
Oh, it is.
Because 1% is pretty damn high.
You're just using it, like, locally.
Let me be clear.
so it's a I think in 60 to 69 is like 0.54%.
I say less than one percent because we're you know we're talking about normies your audience there's got to be some normies out there it's like oh one percent you know one percent does does is very very high button I mean you get a hundred million people get it then a million people are gonna die.
Right.
So let's look at you know 0.54% for 60 to 69.
I think it was 0.27% from from 50 to 59.
But then it drops to below 0.0% you know once you get into the 40s and then zero zero one point zero zero two seven yeah that was right point zero zero um two seven for uh people under the age of twenty so for kids for those under the age of twenty out of one hundred thousand people as many you know approximately three three kids would die a hundred thousand infected people we're not just talking
about mass you know general population we're saying you take a hundred thousand kids under the age of twenty infect them with COVID 19 approximately three will die and we're supposed to wear face masks we're supposed they're supposed to wear face masks they're supposed to get well and injected the counterargument you hear to that is well three's too many it's like all right well if three's too many then how come we haven't been wearing wearing masks for pneumonia because tw over twice as many kids last year died of pneumonia without COVID than died of COVID.
And how are pools still allowed in backyard shouldn't every be boarded up exactly cars take cars off the road everybody has to get rid of their dogs.
Right you know I mean let's let's get real here folks.
This is why this is why we're supposed to have liberty because because in these situations in these situations there are no experts.
And so the the idea that any group can mandate behavior out of another group in in a very um confused situation or confused time, especially.
I mean, I always I always am averse to that notion, but in and especially in a confused time, it doesn't make any sense to me because frankly, I mean, there there are experts in virology and there are experts in statistics and data analysis and what what have you, but there are not really that many experts in COVID 19.
I mean, you can't really become an expert in anything, any one thing specifically in such a short period of time.
It's it's new, it's a sort of a new phenomenon.
I guess there are COVID experts or COVID virus experts, but I don't know.
COVID has changed everything.
It usually takes about three years to approve a vaccine.
It only took them like four months.
What sorry?
Um I keep forgetting.
You don't have to apologize to me.
You don't have to apologize.
I knew the risks I was taking.
I just took the risk, man.
I call me reckless, not stupid.
There we go.
Hey, hey, you know what?
And that's that's I'm all for informed consent.
Okay.
You know, I've got a doctor friend who he's in his 70s, so he's at risk.
Um retired doctor.
He was for for months, he would tell me I was wrong.
You know, and we're talking about a guy, this is he's a conservative.
He is, I would say to some extent a conspiracy theorist.
And I really do believe, I hope he's not watching, uh say something kind of mean, but I really do believe that the reason that he was opposed to you know, fighting against these drugs, these injections, was because he had taken it, and as a result, you know, it's kind of like, well, now I have to I have to uh to debunk those who are saying that it's bad because if it's bad and I took it, then that would make me dumb or make me whatever, you know.
I uh finally I was like, look, you know, you took it because you made a calculated judgment.
You you re he researched it, you know, and he said, look, if I was 50 and he told me if I was 50, I wouldn't have taken it.
I was 30, I definitely wouldn't have taken it.
If I was 20, nobody better even come close to me with it.
But I'm I'm in my 70s.
And so yeah, I took it.
You know, my parents, they both got COVID and then they got the vaccine.
I'm like, what the hell are you thinking?
No.
The study just came out.
I think it was from Israel, was it that came out?
Was it today?
Or uh wasn't it?
Three days ago studied said said um natural immunity is 13 times more effective than the vaccines.
This part of the study that nobody's talking about though, is that that's um they're now finding that those who have natural immunity who did not take the vaccine have an actual actually a less chance of so it's not like it's like if you're have natural immunity and you add the vaccine that your chances get get better.
No, they actually get worse.
Apparently there's something in the vaccine that inhibits natural immunity.
Maybe we're talking about this a different study, or maybe I misread it, but I thought that the the results of that study said that the highest immunity was found in those who had natural immunity and only one of the two Pfizer doses.
Oh, right.
So you're you no, the same study, but you're talking so you're talking about the uh I you probably did you read the story from natural news or did you read it from um um the epoch times?
I read the actual fucking study.
No, you didn't.
Like only the abstract and the conclusion, but I actually went to the study.
Okay, I was about to say, oh man, I am outmatching this one.
If he's actually in this thing, I was through.
I went to the source, so I didn't read an article about it.
Okay, gotcha, yeah, yeah.
So one of the articles, and I don't remember which one it was.
One of the articles said that um you know, part of the data that was not published within the study for the sake of not wanting to concern people.
Um because it and also because it wasn't scientific it wasn't they didn't have an enough of a um of a crisp of people who had not been vaccinated.
But the it was so it was considered anecdotal, it couldn't be considered scientific.
But that the people who were only vaccinated or so who were only at natural immunity and no vaccines demonstrated a higher resist resistance to COVID.
Um but again, not enough people to be able to show that.
And you you um I'll find you the article and send it to you because it's um it's eye opening, you know.
Uh just like we've seen with with you know one shot, two shot, three shots they're pushing for now um three shots here.
They've already had three shots in this they're gonna make it an annual but they're gonna make it part of the flu shot.
They're probably just gonna be I really think it's gonna be quarterly man.
You know maybe at first I don't know how long I mean I think it'll be this isn't it though that's for sure.
We agree there.
Yeah well I think it depends upon the variants.
You know first they were talking eight months then six months.
So six K variant Well the so right now the six yeah there we go.
Six to eight too soon.
Stop it the six to eight month mark is not variant based the six to eight month data is based upon um uh the waning of the effectiveness of the right of the original drugs so but there the variant aspect of it is what brings up to you know if we're so far you people are like oh my gosh there's so many variants.
No there's not there's very limited variants compared to what m uh viruses normally mutate much much faster than this one.
You know um but this one is going relatively slow.
It's at a pace that that we can keep up with but here's the thing.
You know the the lambda variant I forgot which the there was a new one that's that just popped up oh so much Greek.
They're not even doing it in order I know they're really confusing.
It's like wait have they looked at the Greek alphabet recently Omega variant what?
Did I miss Epsilon?
What happened to Epsilon They were worried people aren't gonna be able to spell it right.
You know I think I think my theory is that they have to name everything around this virus after a major corporation just to screw over the the the PR.
It's like it's first of all it's the coronavirus.
No one by I it's a delta variant nobody's getting Delta nobody's getting not Delta Air Lines right now.
They're like isn't this where that variant came from I'd be suing the C D C right now if I if I was uh Delta Airlines You skipped Epsilon damn it why why did you see somebody had a bad experience somebody at C had a bad experience we're gonna call it Delta.
We're gonna call it Google.
We should call it the Google variant next time I swear to God.
I wish I wish it would there needs to be a Nike and a Disney variant as long as that happens on looking did you catch the Nike yet sales plummet.
It makes your it makes your feet swell up where were we man?
I'm sorry.
I just got distracted.
I was, we were talking about Disney villains.
I mean, uh, same thing.
Yeah, no kidding.
So, um, what do you like, I have a question for you.
This is what I wanted to ask.
What, how do you explain the phenomena that is the fact that the vaccines were really initially, at least a very, very impressive accomplishment for the Trump administration, right?
to get something optional, available, in such short order was totally unprecedented you know Trump would bragged about it supported it I don't think he's lying I think he actually believes that you know what he did was great.
All the supporters were you know seemed to be on board with his with his hype you know with operation warp speed.
Then as soon as Biden gets into office and it may have happened before I don't know you you might be a little bit more uh familiar with the zeitgeist but it totally switched now all the Democrats are pushing these vaccines that basically e exist because of the leadership of the Trump administration.
I know that Trump himself didn't do the research and make these vaccines but he he created the environment that was conducive to them existing.
And yeah all the leftists are you know are supporting the vaccines and then everybody on the right is like inverted how did that happen like I thought that the left would always only hate anything Trump did.
Sure.
Well and so okay it's actually a very long question.
So let's know I'm sorry I I wish I could have been a little bit more articulate and framing it's good.
It's good no the question itself was was actually very good.
I'm saying it's uh there's a lot to unpack there.
Sure.
The uh you know first and foremost there was no shift from you know when when Trump was pushing the vaccines at least everybody that I know in my circles everything that was reading was still like, no, we we don't support it.
We love we love Trump, but we wish he would stop pushing this.
You know, it wasn't there was less partisanship there.
It was just kind of like ah, we understand.
Okay, fine, but we're not gonna take it.
So maybe we're gonna take it, or you know, but we don't want as long as they don't start infringing on our rights, you know.
As long as they focus on freedom and choice and all that stuff, great.
I don't find fine, make your vaccines, make make people happy.
You know, hopefully that'll that'll fix things and make it to where I don't have to wear my damn face mask anymore.
You know, that was kind of the attitude.
There was no shift.
Okay, after he left and it became Biden's vaccine, there was no shift.
People were still saying the same thing.
But you're right, since the left, you've got Biden and and Harris, they're both all like oh no, you know, Harris specifically said I would not trust a vaccine put out by that man or whatever, you know, her countless tweets.
I've seen the screenshots from a year ago of people saying, yeah, yeah.
You know, there is so I'm not and keep in mind, I'm not suggesting by any means that the Republican Party or the Conservatives or Libertarians or anybody is not guilty of what I'm about to describe.
But let's get real here.
That on the far left, even on the on the you know, left of center, and within the Democratic Party, the narrative is determined by the need of that particular moment.
You know, we see this with with my body my choice, right?
My body, my choice, you know, it doesn't apply anymore.
They you'll never it's a strategic it's a strategic party, it's not a principle.
They're opportunists, exactly.
They're you know, whatever whatever the talking point de jour is, that's what we're gonna say.
And so, you know, what's the it's a soup of the day.
Dumb dumber.
What's the soup de jour?
It's the soup of the day.
That sounds great.
I'll have that.
Sorry, every time I hear de jour, I just think of that dumb dumber.
See, and and in this unpacking that I needed to be able to maintain all of my thoughts.
You have to do that.
I'm so sorry, man.
This is my A D. All of a sudden, all I can think of is you know, you so you're saying it's every chance.
So you're telling me there's a chance.
Oh gosh.
Okay, so you we were talking about how the Democratic Party is an opportunistic party, and they seem they seem to flip-flop more than the right.
Which we could take.
We can go into literally any subject from that jumping point because it it applies universally.
But we were talking about you know the vaccine.
So, you know, was Trump misled?
Yes.
We you know, I thought I thought you're going down the conspiratorial angle with this.
Is how did they get the vaccines out that quickly?
You know, we know they were actually prepared and ready to go before the even the election even happened.
The only reason they held it off was so that they didn't want Trump to be able to say, Oh, look, I got the vaccines out.
You know, we know that it it was conspicuous that they literally, you know, there suddenly all of them become available and ready to go within a week and a half after the election.
Coincidence, no.
It was it was planned out.
But let's let's get into the real conspiracy here.
Did it really take that China?
Did it really just take months or was it being developed before?
We already know that, at least the delivery system, you know, mRNA technology has been working on that since like 2004.
Yeah, we also know that spike proteins have been you know in study for a long time.
Was all of this previous and I'm not saying suggesting when we I say conspiracy, and people are saying, oh, you mean that it's manufactured bioweapon that Fauci started, you know, envisioned in the 80s.
Um no, I'm not saying that necessarily.
But I will say that that uh you know this wasn't a matter of okay, so let's start from scratch, let's examine this, let's go through the standard vaccine protocols and come up with a solution.
What it was was hey, it's a coronavirus.
We got let's get our coronavirus stuff together and and it uses it uses spike proteins.
We got this, and we got this MRNA technology, and we can do this.
And then it's like, okay, here you go.
You know, these weren't developed specifically for this, they were developed out of you know, almost like uh an amalgamation of junk parts, you know what I mean?
It's like let's take a skywalker's pod racer in episode one.
Nice, nice.
Wow, these references, man, come from dumb and dumbered Anakin Skywalker 2.
I grew up in the Midwest, they were only movies.
It's okay.
You're in the Midwest.
Bloomington, Illinois.
Bloomington, Illinois.
Okay.
I don't know what the only thing about Bloomington, Illinois that's uh memorable it's where beer nuts were founded, and it's also where state farm insurance was founded.
Okay, well, in that case, then it's a good place.
Because I like beer nuts.
Yeah, they're they're okay.
Uh Uts are better than nuts.
Another reference.
Oh boy.
My wife and I have been watching Mad Men for like the third time.
It's it's my go-to show.
I mean, you probably don't have time for TV because you're a productive human being.
I don't have time for TV, but I'm because I'm a productive human being.
But here's the you want to hear something really odd.
Yeah, I probably know more uh lines from madmen.
Um I did the the Cliffs Notes versions.
Are you old enough to know what Cliff's notes are?
Yes, Cliff Notes is not quite before my time.
Yeah, okay.
Well, it was I was shocked to find out 30.
My son's 25, and I asked him, you know, is the Cliff Snotes version?
He's like, what are Cliffs notes?
Who's the hell is Cliff?
Nobody named a good cliff anymore.
Who the hell is Steve Jobs?
Um he's adopted.
Bring it in bringing come on, come on.
Tighten up.
Um we didn't do a rehearsal, folks.
Oh, right, right.
So I actually watched the entire um Mad Men series in one night using the Cliffs Notes versions um on YouTube.
It's got like takes every episode and breaks it down.
Um point being is that yes, I know that the the Don Draper dies at the end and the Dumbledore um is actually a uh using Harry.
So you can use grooming his classic grooming behavior.
What is happiness?
He's always giving him Christmas gifts, even though they're not related.
Here's an invisibility quote.
We could hide in this, Harry.
Ah, that it's all comes centers around you.
You know, what is I mean, yes.
So mad men.
Yeah.
Don Draper, you were saying yeah, well, there's there's Uts.
Yeah, there's an episode where they do an Uts commercial, and Uts are better than nuts, and we were talking about beer nuts and whether or not they were good, and we're talking about the Midwest, which was an explanation of my knowledge of pop culture.
Yeah.
Did not connect, yes.
Yeah, I I um uh yeah, Peggy.
Peggy also.
What about Peggy Olsen?
Yeah, she's she's the uh the a handmaid's tale, and uh they just uh banned abortion in Texas, and now it's all Elizabeth Warren's handmaid's tale.
I was also at the center.
Did you did you watch or read Handmaid's Tale?
I did not, and I did not.
So my wife and watched the series, and it was really damn good.
I've heard, you know, my wife watched, I think the first two episodes.
I was really reluctant to watch it because I thought it was gonna be feminized stuff, and they did a good enough job that I was able to get past that.
Yeah, yeah, see it is I don't you know you'd mentioned because I am too productive.
I don't watch shows or movies generally speaking anymore because it just I can't see myself supporting people who who hate me, you know, who actively work against me, you know, to not only spread a message, but to who take their money, money that I give them is then given to causes that I oppose, you know.
And as much as you know I'm not one that I'm not part of cancel culture, I don't say go out there and and boycott Chipotle because they have uh they have uh it's just unconscious to you personally.
But I I will not buy Chipotle, you know.
My wife and daughter, they still order Chipotle, and I won't, you know.
Yeah, man, the problem with that is like I got a lot of friends that are um like in cybersecurity and uh and intelligence as well.
Not a lot.
I have one friend in cybersecurity and I have one friend who's in part of the intelligence community.
And it's 50% of your friends, right?
And haven't spoke having having had spoken to them, having had spoken to them, I don't know.
I would if I read it, I would know which was right.
Um it seems to me that in the instance of security and privacy, if you have even one vulnerability, then the whole effort is moot, right?
So if you can't have airtight privacy and security measures for like what you do on the internet or whatever, then you might as well not have any, right?
So all the car was listening to me damn it I knew I forgot something and so it seems to me that the same principle can be transferred to like what you decide to support or not because we're sort of running out of options of alternatives.
I have to use Amazon and I I don't like the CCP but I mean everything in this room that I'm looking at right now was made in China.
Yeah and I could I could boycott Amazon or I could boycott China but man that would be a that would be a an effort that all I ask people to do is this.
Listen, you know you're you're right it is a good comparison but I don't think it I think it's flawed because I think that we do you know we can still um we could still cause pain.
Okay.
We can still cause pain by uh properly and selectively boycotting.
That doesn't mean we have to be against you know again boycott absolutists here.
It means that we need to go beyond what's convenient.
Okay.
Yes.
I did boycott Amazon for three weeks until I realized Netflix for a month when they put up that kitty porn video I um cuties yes or I we canceled Netflix I haven't gone back.
I would guess what they saw me they they saw me on one month's metrics.
I just wanted the report to show how many losers how many users you lost because of this damn movie.
That's all I wanted to yeah see I I I went ahead and you know what I'm I'm just done with Netflix but I did here's the funny part I did for the because I had to know if it was real and I had to find out if if Kathleen Kennedy really is as bad and John Favreau is really is as good I actually did did uh did one month of Disney Plus and I did watch the Mandalorian with my wife.
Is it right to steal from Hitler?
It's like, you know, again, we're getting into minor morals here.
It's like, oh, is my 699 contributed to killing babies?
I don't know.
But it may have happened, may have not, but it did.
And so the point I'm trying to make is that we can still be be aggressive and selective with our with how we spend our money and we if we do have viable alternatives even if it's maybe a little bit more expensive even if driving there might take an extra 10 or 15 minutes I I guess what I'm saying is you know would I tell people to avoid an ice cream shop and drive an extra hour and a half to get to the other ice cream shop where where they don't have masks or would I tell people just put on your mask for that period of time because this particular private business wants masks.
No big deal you know don't that's not a uh a hill to die on okay so that you know that's making a logical decision.
I just think that people need to go beyond you know the whole well I didn't went to this shop instead of the other shop because the other shop is is a four minutes extra drive that's not acceptable to me.
You know I ate at Chipotle instead of wherever Wendy's or or or you know Chick fil A or something because uh you know um I was in more of a mood for chick fla or for for Chipotle.
So so what's your beef with Chipotle man?
because Chipotle is probably my favorite restaurant, and I'm not familiar with their politics.
So just please enlighten me.
You can ruin it for me.
It's all right.
It's okay.
They're extraordinarily into certain aspects of cultural Marxism, in particular LGBTQ supremacy.
So they do have a whole lot of – their attachment to the transgender movement in particular is very, very aggressive.
They have little promos they put out where they'll do a day where if you can buy the – I don't even know the name.
They have these three particular transgender divas who have burritos named after them only certain days of the year, and if you buy those burritos, then a dollar goes to whatever – one of the charities.
Caitlyn Jenner's campaign.
Yeah, there you go.
And again, let's be clear.
This is where the libertarian – if somebody wants to be transgender, great.
I don't care.
Yeah, same way.
I just don't want it pushed onto my children.
I don't want it promoted as superior, and I don't like the idea that a man has to use the men's room, a woman has to use the women's room, but a transgender can use either.
People say it's not that big a deal.
No, that's supremacy.
Why can't it just be a right to the people?
Why can't it just be – exactly.
Why can't people make – don't even get me started.
We could go on a long time about true personal choice.
And I want to be conscientious.
of your time so if you need to go let me know I know you're you're sitting in an unconscious I needed to go half an hour ago so so we just when you're going through hell just keep going so so let me ask you this church do you do you think Don Draper same guy do you think that businesses should be able do you do you think that a black owned historical restaurant say there's an say there's a restaurant in Memphis Tennessee that's been selling the best fucking barbecue for a hundred years.
I've been to that, yes.
Do you think that a black-owned restaurant should be able to deny service to a white person?
No.
Legally?
Legally?
No, not legally.
Again, so let's be clear.
There are, you know, you're right.
There is a line somewhere.
Well, I guess the line has to do with not necessarily the intentions of an individual action, but what are the repercussions of that action being used in other ways?
Okay.
So in that particular instance, if, let's say, you know, like you said, and you didn't have to use a hypothetical.
We are seeing this thing, not necessarily with businesses, but with, like, you know, there was that, I forget, the college that said the rock was racist, so they spent money to get rid of that rock.
Are you familiar with that?
Like the rock, the human being, or there was a rock on the campus?
No, there was this rock, this historic rock that was supposed to be racist, so the college had it removed, which is irrelevant to the story, but that's the same college that has just had, like, a...
That ignorant, igneous rock.
It was literally...
So they had a...
They had a...
They had...
And I didn't read the story, I only saw the headline earlier, but they had a...
A...
An event that was specifically dubbed as an all-inclusive event, except for white people.
White people couldn't attend.
it's kind of all inclusive Einstein yeah yeah you know so we've got uh the uh in many ways there um you know there's are you gonna I have to preface this because if I say the line without it without it being a reference then it's a really bad line.
Did you watch any of the Austin Powers movies?
Yes, but it's been years.
I've seen all of them.
You saw, I think Michael Caine was in one of them.
Maybe the last one.
I can't remember.
I'm Michael Caine.
You're Michael Caine.
Princess and princesses.
Gosh.
So, he, you know, there's a line in there where he's like, you know what?
The only thing that I, the only two things that I can't stand are, are, you know, racial distinctions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't get me banned, man.
No, no, no.
The only two things I can't stand is, you know, racial inequality and the Dutch.
Okay, okay.
And that's kind of what, you know, it's like, it's like, okay, you know, it's all inclusive except for white people.
What?
You know, so, so should that be allowed?
You know?
I don't, I don't know.
You know, should a business be allowed to do that?
You know, then we go to the other side.
You know, should an all-black, an all-black club only allow black members?
You know, we're all black university.
What if there's a historical black university and they only accept black kids?
Right.
Is that racist?
You know?
And so does that extend, you know, does, at what point can we embrace cultural groupings without being racist?
You know?
And that's really, that is a serious question that we need to have answered because it seems to be more and more legal, heading in the opposite direction that it was in in the 50s and 60s.
But it still seems to be, you know, people are accepting it.
we can do this discrimination we'll call it segregation uh I don't want to say it's necessarily discriminatory because I think in some cases it's just not I don't think the people were like were who did that event I was telling you about at the college.
I don't think they were sitting there thinking, you know, we have to hate on on white people.
They I think that truly, at least in their hearts, or at least in their their brains, they were thinking, you know, this is about inclusivity.
This is about about diversity.
Raising awareness is about right.
So it really is, you know, we we really shouldn't have white people there.
You know, and so then again, it's this made sense to them.
So I think again, so to be clear, they didn't think it was discriminatory but they they knew it was is segregation.
So the question is is segregation is that acceptable in any way?
You know, we've gone through for years saying no, no, but maybe it is maybe in certain scenarios, maybe again, you know, like I said, with um you know is it would it be um discriminatory if um you know I I started a a Bible study group and an atheist you know wanted to you know apply for a job to be secretary of the group or something or wanted to be you know want to sit in on the group now it's a bad example because as a Christian I would say sure yeah come on in listen well let me show you show
you what I'm talking about.
Um or more broadly what he's talking about but but uh you know you get the idea is yeah I do well do you think do you think that had the Civil Rights Act not passed, do you think that we'd still see restaurants that were racially segregated today.
Do you think I mean it seems to me that the free market might have corrected that problem if it was just given a little bit more time.
Maybe maybe not um I mean the schools thing obviously needed to be enforced but the private business thing is what I wonder about.
Well and I mean it's not just not just uh segregation of who can be there it's segregation of of who can sit where and who can order what and who has to pay what you know um I let me put it this way.
If you love the Civil Rights Act by the way but I'm just curious as to you know it's sure it's funny to think about in this context.
If you'd asked me the same question two years ago, I would have said yes the free market would have corrected it.
What we've seen the free market do for the last two or three years doesn't give me as much hope.
Where have you seen a free market?
Good point.
Please tell me where.
Where I moved to Texas is the closest thing I could get.
At least you can't get aborted.
You're right, but you're asking if the market itself can correct things.
I'm not sure if that power is legitimate or if it's earned anymore.
I don't I hate to say it I don't trust the will of the American people as much as I would have say even two or three years ago.
Yes.
Because we are seeing that the it is too easy to manipulate us.
We as a people are I would say more susceptible to manipulation than other countries you know where at least in say like communist China or North Korea or Iran, they know they're being manipulated.
They've built their lives around this manipulation and they're okay with it.
You know are we worse off because we're supposed to be free and we allow the the manipulation to happen I would say yes I would say that we're no longer as free and we've it's not that our freedoms have been taken away it's that we've willfully given them up and that's scary.
Well, it does seem to me that cultural consensus does have an impact on the market.
And what I mean to say is when there's a certain critical mass of a market reached that has a consensus about even like a moral principle or a political position, that change.
So, for example, enough of Chipotle's consumers have a certain position on the transgender issue that it impacted the way they were doing business.
business.
I would say that Chipotle is actually responding to the market not creating the market.
And we see this a lot with like the critical race theory stuff that like the diversity the diversity equity and inclusion stuff that these businesses are doing there's there's a certain level of of consensus in the workforce among consumers that feel like they either need to mitigate liability or for PR purposes they need to need to do these things right and in the in the case of race I believe that had they not made it illegal to segregate or discriminate based on race in a private business.
Had they let it just ride in time, it would have had a deep impact on the marketplace, and it would be very hard to find restaurants that still did segregation, even if it was totally legal.
Sure.
I'm looking at it from the perspective of let's I guess we're looking at timing.
You know, you're looking at it from if uh you know none of this happened in the 60s.
I'm looking at it from you know, let's say that's uh that the uh um basically segregation became was legalized, you know, five years ago.
Would it have already changed by now?
Maybe maybe not.
You know, but I think you're right.
I think that there's at least some power when it comes to to the obvious.
But it's when we started to get into confusing topics like transgenderism, like at critical race theory, you know, going woke, so to speak.
Does that is that going to be uh we've seen businesses making the wrong decision when it comes to such things um and have suffered as a result, you know, because they think they're doing the will of the people, but it turns out that you know the the fans for say the NFL um they're just not they're not there anymore.
Are they gonna come back?
Maybe, maybe not.
But I don't think they will unless the NFL makes changes.
You know, it's not just about the vaccines, it's not just about the mandates, it's about their embrace of you know the uh the black national anthem, for example, you know, to coincide with the actual national anthem.
That doesn't make any sense.
You know, now if they said, you know, we're gonna play the black national anthem, the hispanic national anthem, the white national anthem, the Native American National Anthem, you know, but why specifically one?
Why?
That doesn't make sense to me.
Are we supposed to uh no?
I'm not going to go down that road.
That one is going to be a very long conversation.
So I could talk to you for hours.
Where can people find you?
They can't.
I try to stay very hidden.
Um I don't know.
What's your social security number?
I don't have uh they can find me in California.
Small place, you know, like unless unless Gavin Newsom gets uh gets to see an office, in which case we're leaving.
I'm not kidding.
More breaking news.
Rucker's leaving California if Newsom stays.
Suddenly he wins in a landslide.
Do you live down the road from Dornik?
Uh yes, I do.
Um great guy.
Uh probably, you know, we've we've been working together business partners for a year and a half, we've never met.
That I don't know if you've heard the story, but you probably haven't.
Actually, and you don't definitely haven't.
Um, we were supposed to meet.
We had we'd been talking on the phone for a few days, decided to to put a business together.
We were supposed to meet on the day, the very first California lockdown.
Was it March 15th?
How did you know?
Yeah, I didn't march.
I was in I lived in California.
Okay.
Wow.
Yeah, I lived in Australia, yes, it was.
I was in Laguna Nigel.
The yards in March, man.
I'll never forget it.
You're in Laguna and Nigel last year.
I used to live in Laguna Nigel.
Yeah, I was there last year until that's so weird.
I lived on Castle Road.
I lived off of Golden Lantern.
I my daughter went to one of my daughters went to school close to there.
How weird.
This is there's all sorts of freaking.
Now I definitely right next to Chaparrosa Park.
There is a school there, elementary school.
I don't know if that's the same.
No, this was uh it was uh she went to it wasn't off of uh Golden Lantern, it was down the block from there, actually.
But but um yeah, she went to the uh to the uh CBCS private school there.
Uh is that the one that they is that the school that they made uh out of the old insane asylum?
That's or is that the one on PCH that I'm talking about?
Yeah, no, uh I didn't know.
I probably should have if that's the case that I'm that bad because I did not check that out.
Okay.
Wow.
And I just outed myself.
My daughter actually watched these things too.
So her um boyfriend is probably ripping on me now because he's very very far to the left.
He didn't even know that he sent you to an insane asylum.
Um how can you lose anything he says about vaccines?
Uh anyway, uh yeah, they can find me at Twitter, uh JD Rucker.
Uh they can find me at NOQReport.com.
They can rewind this video and listen to all of the nine, 10, 12 various sites that I'm involved with.
Uh, but yeah, easiest way is freedomfirst network.com, knock report.com, or at JD Rucker on Twitter.
