Reed Coverdale | How Can America Become Free Again? | OAP #32
Chase Geiser is joined by Reed Coverdale.
Reed is a Libertarian who is deeply concerned about the state of our country and our foreign policy. He is a voice for libertarian principles. His goal is to bolster independent thought, dialogue between opposing arguments, and to end the power hold the establishment and gatekeepers of religious and political ideology have over our heads. Their greatest fear is that we realize we are not each others' enemies in Reed's words.
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All right.
We are live with Reed uh Coverdale.
Now, do you say Coverdale or do you say Coverdale?
Coverdale.
Coverdale.
I figured it was because I heard I heard um uh somebody else say your name the correct way on your podcast before, but didn't really make sense last night when I was doing um seed ro Roverdale, you know, Roverdale just kind of made more sense, so I didn't know if it applied to the hard consonant either.
So um tell tell tell everybody a little bit about um who you are, what your podcast is, and then um we'll take it from there.
Sure, yeah.
I'm uh truck driver.
I haul heavy equipment in the Western states.
Um and I have a podcast that I've been doing for a little over a year, started it in May of 2020.
It's called the Naturalist Capitalist, and it's mostly about politics, um, from a libertarian perspective.
But you know, we also talk about other things.
We delve into philosophy a little bit, culture, religion.
Uh I don't know.
We we kind of go a little bit of everywhere.
But I've had kind of all the big names in the liberty movement over the last six months, and that's really attributed to my rise, and it's been really cool.
And uh getting to talk to people that I've been listening to for years that I thought I'd be lucky to ever meet face to face, and now I'm friends with them is kind of nuts.
So it's uh it's been a wild ride.
Yeah, it's funny because um I don't even know how I stumbled upon like the libertarian podcast scene.
I think it was um, you know, I actually do remember it was Dave Smith.
Uh he post he posted um some tweet a number of weeks ago, maybe even over over a month ago now, where he's like, Hey, here are the here are the Liberty Podcasts everybody needs to follow.
And I think you were tagged, and um uh uh Clinton was tagged as well.
And um, I just followed you guys, reached out to start doing podcasts, so I kind of wound up doing these like libertarian podcasts, even though I'm not a libertarian, which is fine, because you know, I'm I've got very similar ideas to libertarians and I I can totally get along with libertarians.
Um, but it's just it's cool how I think it's easy to forget how how huge the world is and how many people there are and how many groups there are.
And it's cool when you stumble upon like um this totally niche tight community, and I know you guys have had some like internal turmoil, but it you know, it's like family turmoil, it's still tight-knit, close.
Yeah.
And so I don't know, it's just I I feel like I discovered this kind of hidden treasure, and I don't mean to say that like a patronizing sense, because I know that libertarians are important and and making an impact and growing.
Uh, I think that you guys have a real role to play it.
But it you know, uh nice words.
I I don't I don't know.
I mean, we are we are pretty irrelevant.
I mean, we want to be relevant, but at this point, I mean, we are not the mainstream, we're not really a political force of any sort, so you know it's pretty hard to insult us uh if we're dealing in reality.
Well, I'll tell you what, you you guys could totally change the political dynamic um with your existing structure now, uh, in my opinion.
If you ran a candidate for president and you focused all of the national funding for that candidate only on Texas, enough that the Republicans would not win Texas over the Democrats in the electoral college, you could basically choose whether or not a Republican could be the president of the United States if you guys focus like that now.
And you know, that's a that's an incredibly threatening thing that you guys could use to leverage uh Republican policy.
You can say, listen, do you want us to endorse your candidate or not?
Because if you're not willing to do X, Y, and Z, then we're gonna put all of our money only in Texas, and we're gonna we're gonna take the we're gonna make it we're just gonna let the Democrats have it.
Yeah.
Yeah, we know what I mean.
We don't really think in that Machiavellian way.
I mean, we're so we're all we're we're still obsessed about one day we can win, and it's not really strategic as far as what can we do right now to influence things in our direction, what type of political threats can we make, or you know, kind of what you're talking about.
We don't really think like that, which is unfortunate because we should be thinking.
It's kind of a good thing though, too.
It's like part of the reason why you guys are good people.
You know, like I tweeted earlier today, like you know, by the time you get the power, you don't have enough time left to do enough good to make up for all the bad shit you had to do to get the power.
You know, so you have to like find that balance.
Like, how much am I willing to do now in the hopes that I remember who I actually want to be when I get the power and and do the good that I started the whole thing for, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it we're kind of an oxymoron, you know, libertarian party.
Uh libertarians don't believe in political power, but we've created a political party to try to win over the other parties.
And the ultimate goal is dismantling the state.
But trying to get from point A to point B without political power is kind of impossible.
I mean, you need you need to win an election, right?
Uh, you have to beat the Democrats and Republicans.
So it's we're just trying to figure out how that's done.
What does that mean?
Is it actually about winning an election, or is it about changing one side to be better, or is it about changing the way that the population thinks so that they're not focused on elections the way they have been in the past?
I don't know.
We're just uh we're in a midlife crisis when we're trying to figure out exactly what we're supposed to do, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, that's really you know, and could you tell me a little bit about what the difference is between a libertarian and uh an anarchist?
Because I I'm finding it harder and harder to tell.
I thought I knew a month ago, but it seems like you guys are all fucking anarchists.
A lot of us are.
I I think that libertarian and anarchist aren't mutually exclusive.
I think it's like the square and the rectangle.
So the libertarian is the re uh this yeah, the rectangle, but then the uh the anarchist is the square.
So an anarchist is still a libertarian, but not every libertarian is necessarily an anarchist.
So there are uh there are libertarians who are minarchists who just believe in a skeletal structure for the government, you know, so police, military, fire department, post office, whatever.
Right.
Uh anarchists reject the entire idea of government that it's coercive, it's violence, it's theft.
So they think all of it is wrong.
So the ultimate goal is to remove any of it that you can.
The reason that I don't really find those two points of view conflicting is because we're so far from both of those goals.
Right that they're both.
Yeah, and I don't really envision us ever reaching that fork, at least not in my lifetime.
So I don't really care.
As long as you want to diminish the state, we're on the same team, whether you believe in no government or a little government.
Yeah.
So um ultimately, what's your sentiment then about what the regarding what the outcome is going to be?
I mean, is it just going to continue for another century of you know this libertarian movement existing, but Republicans and Democrats getting elected?
Or do you think that we're at a in a political climate right now where something's going to change?
Because traditionally we have had new parties every century that this nations existed kind of come.
So, you know, we're about due for another one.
I think it depends on how the shakeup happens, because I don't think we're going to remain the dominant superpower in the world for another hundred years.
I think it's I think the end of that is much nearer.
You know, China is projected to surpass our GDP by 2028, I think.
Um, we're so far spread and thin spread across the globe militarily.
Uh, we're 30 trillion dollars in debt, we're having a currency crisis, we're having inflation, uh, you're having people who believe less and less in the political system.
So it's not, I don't think the next hundred years is going to be like the past hundred years, you know.
I think that it really depends on how everything shakes out, how things fall together, as far as if another party rises or if it just stays this two-party system, and like you and I were talking about on my channel last night, uh, if it could be worse, you know, if we end up with well, one party system or uh, you know, a more authoritarian government.
I don't really know.
Um, I I guess my biggest hope is that this trajectory that people are losing faith in government continues, and they finally decide, you know, we don't need this one giant federal government controlling all these 50 states.
Uh at the very least, we should respect the 10th amendment again And let the states govern themselves.
I would I would like to see something like that happen.
I think that some sort of balkanization or secession or breakup is the best solution that we could have going forward for peaceful um, you know, a peaceful resolution of the problem now.
Because I I think if we keep getting more and more centralized, if the government keeps getting bigger and bigger, we're just gonna hate each other more, and then you could push things to some sort of chaotic civil war scenario.
Um so I just think that getting people to think in the way of okay, we don't need centralized control to keep us all online.
We need to be more independent, we need to be less in each other's lives, and you know, just let the government kind of sit back and let us run the show again.
Uh so I, you know, I think the best thing we can do is just talk about those ideas and try to change the way people think, because if people don't change the way they think, it doesn't matter what type of government policies you pass, because if you get rid of an authoritarian policy, but the public doesn't really care, then that can just sneak right back in again.
You have to change the way the public perceives um authority, perceives the government, um, perceives liberty, and that's how you win.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And I I I do think one of the differences, and I think we briefly touched on this last night was you know, this is one of this is sort of the first time in recorded history that we have civilizations that have incredibly secretive police departments and like the CIA and the FBI were there's not really a system of accountability for these organizations, and they're they're flooded with money and resources and power at the same time.
Um so it's sort of inevitable that the intelligence community um uh at some point, I don't know if it like I said, I don't know if it's next year or next century, but it's it's it seems to me inevitable that they will be um an overwhelming power in the government to the point where the other branches and departments really can't they can't overcome it,
you know, that there'll be a vetoed power there, and and part of the reason I wanted to bring that up is because I wanted to segue into how the hell do you know Ryan Dawson?
Well, I wanted to say just first of all that I think we're already there.
Um, you know, I think CIA kind of does run everything anyway.
I mean, they control both of the parties and they do stuff that is not necessarily sanctioned by Congress or the president, even sometimes they're kind of their own deal.
But uh Ryan Dawson, um I first found out about him in 2016 because I was a uh I was a Rand Paul guy myself, and then he just didn't do well.
Um, and I couldn't get behind Trump.
So I actually decided, you know what, I'm gonna look at Bernie Sanders.
I disagree with him on a lot of stuff, but you know, he sounds like he's kind of anti-war and pro-civil liberties.
And then I came across one of Ryan Dawson's videos.
It was called Bernie Sanders to the Woodshed, and it just went through Bernie's voting history, and he's terrible.
Like, I mean, the the reason libertarians or liberty-minded Republicans should hate him isn't because he's a radical socialist, it's actually because he's a warmongering corporatist who pretends to be a socialist.
You know, he's voted for almost every military intervention.
He just didn't like the Iraq war the way the Republicans wanted to do it.
He did vote for the Iraqi Liberation Act in 1998, but then 2003, you know, he wanted a multilateral approach instead of a unilateral approach.
He was for intervention in Libya and Syria.
Uh, he voted to bomb Kosovo.
And, you know, he there were times he didn't show up to vote against the Kosovo.
Kosovo had it coming though.
Those assholes.
And then he uh uh he's been really bad on like bailouts, especially this past year.
I mean, he's voted for every corporate spending bill that just sends billions to corporations.
So anyway, uh Ryan Dawson completely opened my eyes to who the real Bernie Sanders was.
And since then, um I just kind of watched him occasionally throughout 2017, 2018, whatever.
And then in uh 2019, I started watching him uh more consistently.
And then in 2020, my friend Eric Jackman actually got him on his show around 9-11 to talk about the 19th anniversary of 9-11.
And so I messaged Eric and I was like, whoa, you had Ryan Dawson on your show.
I would love to get him on mine.
Uh so I started talking to Ryan in October just through email, and then I talked to him on the phone, and he still had his YouTube channel, which had 80,000 subscribers this time, I think.
Uh he got banned for uh he got banned for a video that's two years old called the Palestinian Peace Process, and they told him it was for hate speech, and they didn't point out which part of the video was hate speech, so he couldn't really make an appeal.
Uh, but I couldn't get him on my show because he was so busy, and then his YouTube got banned in January.
And so then his schedule opened up, and then I had him on my show.
And you gotta hook me up with the man.
I'm dying to talk to that guy.
Yeah, I'll I will for sure.
And I mean, now that his YouTube channel's gone, he's dying to get on anyone's show, we'll have him on because it's hard for him to reach anyone.
Alex Jones has been making the circuit like that too.
It seems to be working for him.
Where uh tonight he was on um uh a podcast live right before this, and then uh he's he was on the Andrew Schultz podcast, uh, what's it called?
Flagrant, that's really funny.
Um and so I I've noticed that some of these censored voices are getting away with making guest appearances on other uh channels.
Um and YouTube seems to be okay with it.
Yeah, I mean, they haven't come after me at all.
And I mean it, you know, Joe Rogan's head Alex Jones on, so and then uh who was it?
Tim Poole had uh Steve Bannon on, who's also I think.
So yeah, I mean, it's a pretty easy loophole if you're not allowed to channel, just go on other people's channels.
And and Dawson's been um he's been like prolific, right?
Hasn't he made like dozens of documentaries?
And when I when I say documentary, it's like it's him and a bunch of news footage and articles and like a webcam, and they'll be hours and hours and hours long.
Yeah.
It's like insane, um, the details that he gets into.
Um he just keeps doing it like he can't stop.
Is it like what's the deal?
Yeah, I mean, he's got an amazing brain.
Um, I mean, if you watch any video with him, he can just name names and dates and uh operations and documents just off the top of his head.
I mean, you could talk to him for eight hours and he wouldn't need notes um about everything.
He can just go and go and go, but yeah, he does compile all these different documents and files that he finds and videos and uh you know he does he does a lot of work on Epstein, he's done a lot of work on 9-11, he's done a lot of work on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and he can just go and go and go.
And um, yeah, I mean, if you watch one of his documentaries, it's not light material.
I mean, every five minutes you've got to stop the video and kind of absorb what you just watched and then keep going.
And and you're yeah, like his uh Empire Unmasked is five hours long.
So if you want to fully um, you know, if you want to fully absorb that information, that's uh quite a task.
Yeah, well, I mean, I I think that's great that that um that he's done that.
And I just I think of him whenever now that I know who he is whenever I whenever I think about the deep state, because it it seems to me that the amount of work you have to do to get to the bottom of what is really going on is insane.
And since it's so insane, there's very few people who do it, and since there's very few people who do it, it makes those who do do it very unbelievable, you know.
And so it's like for me, like I don't think the I don't think that he's nuts or or wrong or illogical or anything.
I haven't looked into the stuff specifically, but I'm worried of like falling into the flat earth trap where you know I I consume the wrong content for too long and then wind up with the wrong idea about the nature of reality, you know.
And I I don't know, like how do you protect yourself against um getting in like an echo chamber where you believe bad ideas?
Because I think stu I think smart people believe stupid shit all the time.
Oh yeah, I do too.
Uh something that he actually talks about a lot is you know, the the kook movements within the truth movements.
So Alex Jones is a kook, you know.
I mean, he's not uh a lot of the stuff that he talks about is crazy, you know, like lizard people and interdimensional demons and aliens and you know all this crap uh or QAnon, things like that.
I mean, the he actually thinks that they're designed to throw off the scent to sound so ridiculous that if you hear anything relating to 9-11 truth, you instantly think, oh yeah, the buildings were demoed, you know, building seven was demoed, there were no planes that hit the buildings, they were holographs, you know, whatever, like that whole craziness.
Um and so that in itself kind of makes you go crazy if you start buying into that.
But If you if you start saying, okay, that the mainstream isn't true, so everything that everybody else is saying must be true, that would be a mistake because obviously then you end up in some pretty ridiculous territory.
So it's really about it's really usually somewhere in the middle, you know.
Um because what they'll do is they'll call you a, you know, they'll call you a believer or a denier.
So take climate change.
Like if you if you don't buy 110% of the narrative about climate change, that we have like at this point, what, nine or ten years left to turn things around or the world's gonna end.
And they've been saying that for 30 years.
Yeah.
So if you don't agree with that, then you're saying, oh, there's no climate change, nothing's getting warmer, you know, the environment's perfect.
What it's like, well, no, that's not what I said.
I just said I don't believe this narrative that you're pushing on me 110%.
So it's really just trying to resist that false dichotomy of complete acceptance or complete rejection, the truth is always usually somewhere in between.
Yeah.
Well, and and I think one of the problems too is that since we live in like this, we're like in a we're like in a hyper character assass assassination sort of culture right now.
And I think that has to do with the internet and social media.
So, like in a in a way that I don't think we've ever experienced before.
Um people are behaving um with constant attention to their reputation almost on like an hour by hour basis rather than like a month by month basis, like it might have been years ago, right?
And I think that what that does is it makes people very reluctant to have nuanced conversation and change their positions or learn anything that would cause them to make any sort of like apparent shift because they're afraid that any change or shift may be perceived as like a hypocrisy or an ignorance or I don't know, just it it's like a it's like a vulnerability where where they can get attacked.
And um, I guess my concern is uh how do we how do we get to a place where people are able to actually change their minds and have debates again, you know?
Because don't you want like for for me, for example, I've said this on the podcast before, it's like I don't I don't know if climate change is is man is caused by human beings or not.
I I don't know.
I want to know, right?
Like I don't care which answer is correct.
I'm like I don't want it to be that it's happening.
I don't want it to be that it's not happening, you know.
I don't I don't have a belief that I need to have reinforced.
I just want to know what's actually going on.
And it's very difficult for me as a thinking person to figure it out because I don't know what studies to look at.
And then if you look at studies, like you have to like study how that study was funded by what department and who was running the department at the time, and where did they go to get their alma mater and who was their mentor, and then this is why they believe in this form of you know what I mean?
There's like so many layers to it that it's really hard to get to the bottom of it.
I mean, you talk to some scientists that are like, yeah, the measuring devices that were used in the late 19th century and early 20th century weren't very accurate in determining the temperature, and a lot of times they were measuring temperature from uh tar blacktop roads, and that was radiating heat off the ground, so it could have been exaggerating the temperature, you know, like there's there's all these variables that that that raise questions about the legitimacy of the data that we have.
And like I just don't know.
Like I don't find it hard to believe that we're having an impact, but I also don't find it hard to believe that um you know that that impact is greatly exaggerated.
So I don't know, like how do we actually figure it out?
Um, I think that you know what you got to do is you gotta have a philosophy that guides your decisions, because I mean it take it's good to have your mind change on certain subjects, but if you ran for office, say, and then you get in there and then your views on everything suddenly change, you know, that that's not gonna work, or if you're always just flip-flopping all over the place and you have nothing guiding you, that also doesn't work.
So I think you have to figure out what it is that grounds you and centers you and points you in a certain direction.
Um, and then that's gonna guide a lot of your decision making, but on circumstantial issues, especially like is climate change man-made, or um, you know, if you're if you're a libertarian who wants to figure out how you're gonna roll back the state, you know, what should you prioritize, you know, because you could just be this autistic uh absolutist who's just saying, like, oh, I'm you we Just need to hack at everything no matter what.
Or you could be someone who said, Well, you know, I don't think food stamps are the biggest issue right now.
I think if we ended the wars in the Middle East and stop giving billionaires money, you know, that would be a better strategy.
Um so I think what it comes down to is having something that kind of directs you, but then on an issue by issue basis, being willing to look at um you know different evidence and have your mind changed about how you're supposed to deal with something, and that way you're gonna stay pretty consistent, but you're obviously approaching the situation with a critical mind trying to figure out the best way you can tackle it.
Yeah.
I think it's um one of the things I think is so ridiculous and so funny about our leadership now is like if you watch C SPAN and of course they have like their formal debates before they vote on any given piece of legislation, and everybody has their two minutes or whatever it is to say their part,
and it's just like all the same shit they've been tweeting, or all the same shit they've been saying uh at you know at press conferences or or in appearances on corporate media outlets, it's like n they waste all this time, like three, four hours before they actually do the vote, saying shit that they that they know everyone in the room has already heard them say and hearing what they've already heard from everyone else.
It's like not actually a debate where you know different ideas are being exchanged and they're bickering, like you know, sort of like in the British system where they scream at each other.
And I I just I wish that the debates actually maybe and maybe they be the debates do happen like behind closed doors and they just don't do that part on C ban, right?
In order to save face.
I don't know, but like it doesn't seem to me like there's actually anybody like sitting down in a friendly way having cigars and like saying, All right, let's get to the bottom of this.
What do you think what the fuck is really going on?
You know, yeah.
I mean, Justin Amash's last year in office, he I really started following his Twitter account closely, and he would constantly talk about how none of the bills were debated on at all.
It was all um, you know, I forget what he was saying.
I think since uh since Ryan was the speaker of the house, they got rid of adding amendments to bills.
You couldn't debate to have an amendment added to a bill.
So you just had to vote on the original content of the bill, you couldn't change it at all.
Right.
So why you know uh it just killed any pr productivity in the house.
Um, and you know, pretty much everyone would vote right along party lines.
Um you'd have a few principled people who would, you know, um diverge a little bit, but yeah, for the most part, man, they don't argue about anything, they don't care about anything, they're just there to make a scene and then all vote for the same stuff.
And they're the the funny thing is they're supposed to convince us that they're polar opposites, so they'll have a few hot button issues like gun control and border security and climate change legislation, and even though with those things, they don't actually push for very different laws.
I mean, it everything that gets passed is pretty much in the middle somewhere.
But when it comes to war or spending or surveillance, they all rub elbows and vote the exact same way.
Uh and so all this theater about being the right and the left opposing each other, trying to fight for the soul of America.
It's all pretty much bullshit.
There's just like four or five people in each party that are sort of principled sometimes, and it's like pro wrestling.
It's like the fake this this fake feud.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's really interesting.
One of the things that really bothers me is like, you know, in the advertising world that you can't do false advertisement, like you can't make claims that are just totally erroneous, or you you can't say a product's for one thing when it's actually for another.
And when these bills are named, like the Patriot Act or the COVID Relief Act or COVID relief bill, whatever they called it.
It's like there was only like five percent of that bill that had anything to do with COVID relief.
Everything else was like foreign aid, or you know, in the Patriot Act is like it sounds like a great thing, you know.
Yeah, but it turns out like you you know, it just opened the door for domestic uh surveillance.
And so I I wish that there was a law in place that um didn't allow for the naming of legislation to uh be uh a misleading reflection of what's actually in it.
And and maybe the solution is just to like eliminate earmarks so that you can't just throw r random shit in the same bill.
But um, I don't know, I think that's a major problem because the the issue with it is if if it's the COVID relief fund or if it's the you know I love teachers act and you vote against it because it happens to like expand Guantanamo Bay, right?
Right.
They can say, Oh, you voted against teachers.
You're like, that's not why I fucking voted against it.
You know, it's so it's just like a real cheap shot to kind of like manip to manipulate people into voting for legislation the legislation they don't actually support because they're worried about the PR backlash.
Yeah, it's like the you know, we're gonna name this the stop beheading grandmothers act.
You know, if you vote against that, you're you're nuts.
It's like, well, I read the bill, and it's actually just about giving more funding to the CIA, and I don't want to do that.
Um but yeah, there's actually a bill that's been proposed called the One Subject at a Time Act, and I think Rand Paul introduced it pretty much every year to the Senate, and then either Thomas Massey or Justin Amash would introduce it to the House every year, and I think Rand Paul would maybe get one or two co-sponsors, and then in the House they were lucky if they got three or four.
It's crazy.
I mean, but that is the solution right there.
You have one subject at a time in each bill, so you can't be like, you know, oh, okay, well, we obviously need to fund the military this year.
He can't vote no on this bill, so we're all gonna we're also gonna throw in this, you know, 500 billion that's gonna go toward windmills in Minnesota, and then you know, we're gonna add this 200 million that's gonna go toward you know, museums and Albuquerque or you know, whatever.
Um you you can't just throw that stuff on anymore, so people would actually be voting yes or no on very straightforward subjects.
But of course, they don't want to do that, so you you you reach the problem of getting something like that passed, it's never going to happen.
Right.
Do you think um what do you think would happen if um the government was unable to pass a budget for an entire year?
Man, um you know we've had some issues, right?
Where it's been like a month or two and TSA's not getting paid, but that you know they know that they're gonna get compensated uh eventually.
What if what if what if just for a year Republicans are like we're not we're not gonna we're not gonna vote for any budget that Biden would sign?
Yeah, I mean it's an interesting idea.
I've read that that actually isn't it isn't as good as we tend to think it is.
We tend to think, hey, the government's shut down, but it's not really shut down, like all the all the parts we hate about the government are still going.
They just politicians still get played.
Yeah, they'd rather the military's still dropping bombs, the CIA is still doing all the stuff they do.
It's just they close the national parks, basically.
So I mean it's not the win that we think it is, but I don't know.
Like if they really did not approve a budget, I'm assuming that's kind of awesome.
Yeah, I feel like they would just fund everything backdoor, you know, some other way.
But I don't know.
I don't know how they could though, because you can't even take out loans, can you if you don't pass a budget?
I don't know if you can.
Maybe maybe you can.
No, you can.
Yeah.
I mean, that's so you can sell bonds.
Yeah.
I mean, the Federal Reserve was doing all sorts of shit last year that wasn't voted for by Congress.
I mean, they were they were buying municipal bonds, they were buying like individual corporate bonds, and none of that was being voted on in Congress.
That wasn't in the budget, you know.
That was a private bank.
Yeah, sort of half-pride.
It is it is private.
I mean, the only the only federal aspect of it is that the uh chairman is appointed.
Yeah.
But it's not like uh it's not a like it's called the Federal Reserve, so it sounds like it's part of the federal government, but it is a it is a private bank.
They don't have a response.
They don't have reserves, they're not anymore.
Right, and they don't have any reserves anymore.
And um uh constitutionally speaking, the the the government is only supposed to coin money using gold and silver.
Right.
And I I you know, I think that's why the Federal Reserves is this private entity is the strategy for the government to be able to use fiat without violating the constitution, they basically outsource the constitutional violation.
But I our founding fathers were I I believe anti-fiat, just generally speaking, um, in terms of not backed currency is what I mean when I say fiat.
And uh it's funny, uh you know, Andrew Jackson who so is he off the new $20 bill.
I haven't even noticed.
I feel like he's still on there he's still on there.
He's my boy.
I love Andrew Jackson.
But it it's so funny because everyone was freaking out that they were gonna try to take him off.
And I was like, Andrew Jackson would not want to be on the $20 bill.
Andrew Jackson he hated the banks.
Even even the idea of a certificate he hated, you know, he didn't want a federal reserve note if it was backed by goal.
You thought that was bullshit.
So that was right.
It's just kind of funny seeing everyone clutch their pearls about him possibly being taken off a bill that he definitely would never want to be on himself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's funny how we get hung up on stupid shit.
Like we get hung up on uh, for example, like the Confederate statues.
It's like, look, if the if some town has a city council that wants to remove a statue and they vote on it and they're elected by the community in that town, it's like let them take their statue down.
Like you know, I don't know.
And like I I personally would would vote to keep these statues up because I I appreciate the history.
I think they're I think they're pretty.
Uh there'd be I think that in most cases they're beautiful work.
Sometimes they're kind of shitty looking, it depends where you go.
But um, I think they're neat.
And I and I don't think there's anything wrong with respecting brave men who disagreed.
You know, and I know it's that's a very controversial thing to say today because it's so obvious to us culturally how terrible racism is and how unjust slavery is.
But um, you know, I I don't believe that you can define people by the worst things about them, or you should.
And just because these people were on the wrong side of history regarding race doesn't mean that they shouldn't be admired for, I don't know, taking a can into the leg to save somebody in a battle, right?
Or like they you know, they did things that were noble, people are complicated.
And um, you know, if so if a community wants to take them down, I'm fine with that.
But I don't know, I just think like with things like, you know, are they gonna put Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill instead of Andrew Jackson or they're taking these statues down?
I'm like, you know what?
Like maybe we should be worried about other shit.
Like, you know, our our qu like corporate income tax going from 26% to 40%.
Like that would suck.
A lot more than a statue I've never seen.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, if you look throughout I don't know, just your lifetime.
Um, you know, think of every time that there's some horrible scheme going on behind the scenes, what they use to distract us with.
It's always something like Harriet Tubman going on the $20 bill or you know, banning Dr. Seuss or satanic shoes or you know, something like that.
Uh Colin Kaepernick kneeling at the Super Bowl.
I mean, just who cares?
You know, like that that that's the type of stuff that they try to get us all worked up about.
Um, you know, it it's uh it's distracting us from actual problems.
So sometimes they're related, you know.
It's so you know, we um, you know, we have people getting killed by the police.
So what do we do?
We get rid of uh Aunt Jemima's syrup because it's racist, and then we don't do anything about qualified immunity or civil asset forfeiture or the militarization of the police or such a good point, man.
You know, uh no knock raids, nothing.
Just absolutely acknowledge the issue in like a completely neutered way.
It's like, oh, we're making social progress because we removed this offensive image from a syrup container and it's like, oh wow, I'm sure you saved a lot of black people's lives doing that.
Good job.
Right.
Oh, that's such that's such a good point.
We always we never want to actually make the hard decisions necessary in order to solve difficult problems.
Like 'cause the thing is, like, I I believe that most of our problems are um incredibly complicated.
Uh especially in the sense that solving them is painful, even if it's simple, what we need to do, it's still painful for like constituents.
So for example, you know, one thing that I've been really advocating recently, uh, particularly the last 12 months is I don't think that we should be doing any business with China at all.
Um as long as the C C P is in power.
I think it's a global terrorist organization.
I don't think that we should be funding it with our business.
And uh that would be an incredibly painful thing for us to stop doing, especially if we stop doing it instantly, because we don't produce anything here from a manufacturing standpoint, especially not to the extent that China that we rely on China for importing uh our goods.
And so uh, you know, like even if that even if that solution is simple on paper, there's no way for a politician to possibly navigate actually making something like that happen uh in the first place, especially not being able to stay in power if they accomplish it, you know.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, because I don't even think that is the solution.
I think the solution is we got to change how we're doing things here in the United States.
You know, I mean, we've become so complacent, so lazy, so overregulated.
Um, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of work to get ourselves back on track.
Uh, and there are problems that aren't within, you know, your and my control, but at the same time, Americans as people have gotten very lazy and, um, you know, they don't want to, they don't want to work anymore.
They don't want to have to learn anything new.
They want everything presented to them on a silver platter where your average Chinese citizen is a completely different type of person.
You know, they're very motivated.
They're working very hard all the time.
Um, you know, and same with like Mexican immigrants who come here.
I've worked with Mexican immigrants on.
They bust ass.
What's that?
They bust ass.
Yeah.
I mean, dude, it's embarrassing.
Uh, you know, this whole narrative that they're getting hired for two cents a day.
I mean, I was working at a.
roofing company where they're starting pay at $18 an hour and they couldn't get any Americans to come work.
So hey there are these Mexican immigrants we'll hire them you know um so and they're sending half their money back home.
Yeah a lot has got to change culturally in the United States for us to uh have a fighting chance and it's not just government policy it's initiative and work ethic and determination because we frankly just don't have any more have any anymore.
We've just become a consumerist society that wants everything created for us.
Yeah I agree with that but I also think that that is a problem that is very quickly solved.
So like I like an example would be I don't know there's countless movies where there's like a situation where I don't know maybe like a disaster happens and there's like one spoiled person in the whole first half of the movie they're like unbearable to deal with because it's like why are you being such a brat in this terrible situation.
And then by the second half of the movie they're actually they like realize they're woe you know and they start busting ass.
like a one example that would be a lost the tv series i don't know if you ever watched that but um there there was like the blonde girl that was sort of high maintenance and they crashed on this island and she's like uh tanning on this island while people are like tending each other's wounds and trying to find food and uh you know by the end of the series she totally changed and my point is i think that when things get really tough uh in a real way that people feel um you know the there'll be like a little bit of outrage behavior sort of like we've seen
in the last 12 months uh but I do think that people do eventually um you know sort of pull their pants up and get to work yeah within a single generation too I don't think it has to be like the next generation that has to fix it.
I think it can happen.
Because like I mean they went from the 20s to the 30s right with the Great Depression.
Like I everybody was living living high in the 20s.
It was like the roaring 20s right and um you know then the economy crashed and you got people that are hopping on trains to find work from town to town and sleeping on in the hay you know that's a that's a big change.
So I don't know I I I'm optimistic that Americans still have it in them but I do think I agree with you that it's not it's not uh presenting itself and I just I think it's dormant though I I think that we are a sleeping giant.
Yeah, I hope so, man.
I mean, even though Generation Z is really, really dumb and aggravating and lazy, you know, a lot of this blame goes on the baby boomers.
You know, they tend to be pretty judgmental toward the younger kids.
But a lot of the policies that they voted for and things that they did are why we are where we are.
You know, I mean, the Department of Education came around from them, you know, the the.
the mass of debt that we've gotten into um you know college loans getting people in tens of thousands of dollars of debt I mean it all started with the baby boomers and now they're the ones who are kind of sitting back judging everybody else for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps so it's not completely fair to just be like wow these kids all suck because they've been uh brought into this world at a time when that was what was acceptable And then you know they've got all these problems that they didn't really create that they have no idea how to deal with.
Um so I don't blame them a hundred percent or you know get angry at them necessarily, but at the same time, it's like the baby boomers aren't gonna get us out of this, you know.
It's gonna be it's gonna be us, it's gonna be the millennials, the Gen Z, Gen X, we're gonna have to really you know come together and pull ourselves out of this, and it's not gonna be easy, it's gonna be hard.
Yeah, I and I just feel like I feel like maybe we haven't gotten to a point where we feel it enough yet.
Like obviously this past year was difficult for everyone from like a psychological point of view.
I like there were so many drastic changes and rules, but like nobody actually lost their house or you know, people lost their jobs, I guess, but the unemployment benefits were so steep that it you know, people were kind of able to weather the storm.
Like, I just feel like the kind of pain that we felt this past year was um a very easily surmountable like psychological pain, not like a real sort of anxiety about how the hell am I gonna feed my kid like people felt in the 30s, like people were actually worried about what I my grandmother grew up in the depression in Kansas in the dust bowl, and she said that she was only allowed to wear shoes on Sunday to church so that she wouldn't wear them out, you know.
Like I can't imagine being that poor.
And her her father had been a wealthy man with a town home and a farm, and when the stock market crashed, they had to sell the townhouse and move out of Topeka into the farmhouse and live off of the farm for the first time.
So they were like urban people that happen to have a farm and they actually had to go back to the farm and like raise chickens and do all that bullshit, you know.
And I just feel like it's gonna take we're gonna have to get to that point where people are like knocking on houses door to door, like, hey, do you need any maintenance on your house?
Like almost like a desperate level before um there's like a real wake up and change because like if you look at the Third Reich, for example, um, if you look at what happened and how they came to power, the unemployment rate in Germany at that time was about 30%.
Okay.
And when you have an unemployment rate that high, it's not because the people suck.
Okay.
So, you know, maybe that could explain 3% or 5% unemployment, you know.
Five percent, I think is when you're kind of getting in the realm of all right, what's going on?
Um you can really explain like maybe one out of 20 people don't have a job because of circumstances or whatever that's you know unrelated to the to uh the the environment, right?
Right.
But when you have unemployment that's 30%, that means that you have people with average high IQs, no mental illness, no drug addiction, that are waking up every morning and looking all day for how they can be productive and not finding anything for for months, right?
It we haven't seen that in America really since like the 30s, okay.
It and when things get that wonky where normal functioning good people are not able to find any opportunity, then they start identifying enemies, right?
And obviously the Germans pinned it on the Jews.
Uh um, and I don't know who it's gonna get pinned on in uh the United States.
You know, people say, Oh, it's gonna be the white privileged class.
It's like, you know, it's always a minority, not necessarily racial minority, but it's always someone who's outnumbered, right?
Like whatever class.
So I have a very hard time believing that 60% of the population which is white is going to be you know, like sent into camps by 40% of the population.
It's like maybe if we were 15% of the population, that kind of thing would happen.
But it's gonna be very interesting to see what enemy who we blame when things get really bad as a society, because it'll almost certainly be wrong who gets blamed, but like not totally wrong, but like too wrong for it to be justified.
But whoever gets blamed is really gonna get fucked.
However, when you find a common enemy, it unites everyone else, and it can be healthy.
So like internally during World War II, Germany did quite well.
Like the middle class improved, they were doing well until you know Hitler got a little bit too ambitious and decided to invade Russia in the winter instead of having a beer and collecting the interest.
And um, I I'm optimistic that great tragedy will bring great unity in this country.
I'm just very worried about um who's gonna be falsely prosecuted as the culprit.
Yeah.
Um it seems like there's a pretty sorry that I ranted there.
I just you know There does seem to be a really even split in this country.
You know, I mean it seems to be in thirds though, not really in half.
I mean, it seems like there's a third of the people that don't really care, and then a third on each side hates the opposing side, and everyone in the middle is just kind of like, oh my god, I don't really care and just stop hating each other.
Um But if you can't feed your kid, you don't give a fuck about whether or not CRT's in the school.
Like, you know what I mean?
They're gonna everybody's gonna drop it on both sides.
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like the minorities that are it's not really a minority on one side, I guess, but the the demographics that they're going after, the the establishment left is demonizing Trump supporters, you know, and you know, extreme Trump supporters or whatever adjective you want to put on it as though they're domestic terrorists.
That's where I've seen a lot of marginalization going on.
And then where I saw it from the right establishment in the past has been with Mexican immigrants, you know, people who are here legally, but are or who came here illeg illegally and are working or whatever, like that that was where I saw it from them.
You know, in 2016, there was all this talk from the Republicans that really bugged me uh about immigrants, and the reason it bugged me is the point you were just pointing uh making out there a little while ago that um you know you're you're blaming the wrong culprit.
Mexican immigrants are not why our economy is in shambles, they're not why we're 30 trillion dollars in debt.
Yeah, though it was just a complete scapegoat.
So it really bugged me that and they're not taking the jobs that that native that Native Americans want to do.
And I don't mean Native Americans as Indians, but I think Native Americans is people who were born here, right?
So like they're coming over here and they're busting their ass on root on like on roofs.
I can't remember the last time I saw a white dude working on a roof, right?
And it's not because they can't get the job, it's because they don't want to like you said, they don't want to work for $18 an hour.
So yeah, the the I think what I think everyone was afraid that the Mexicans were gonna steal their jobs, and then they realized that the Mexicans were actually gonna make their life less expensive because they're doing all the jobs that nobody wants to do.
Yeah, so I mean, that was uh that that was one time where I really saw like uh blatant demonization of a class that didn't deserve it.
And lately it's been with uh you know Trump supporters that they're domestic terrorists and they're threatening our way of life, and I mean that's just absolutely ridiculous.
So I don't know if it'll be one of those groups.
Uh I don't know if it'll just be something completely different.
I don't know if it'll be an even split and they are gonna realize they don't even have to blame one demographic.
You can just keep everybody hating each other and then you can just reap the benefits of it because no one's paying attention to the true culprit.
I don't know how it's all gonna play out.
I mean, it's uh I I didn't think that everything that's happened over the last year was ever gonna happen.
So I don't know, man.
I'm I'm done trying to predict the future as far as what political events are gonna happen.
I feel I feel like it's pretty open book, and it just really depends on what mindsets people start taking on now because I think uh as you were pointing to with the third reich, hardship it can lead to unity, but it it also leads to extremity, you know, people start turning radicalism things, yeah.
Uh that's why Bernie Sanders, you know, even though I don't actually think he is a radical, his message was radical, and same with Trump, he didn't he wasn't a radical either, but his message was kind of radical when he ran for president.
The reason people are turning to that type of stuff is because the establishment is radical, even though they're the center, uh what they stand for is endless wars, corporate bailouts, mass incarceration, and nobody wants that.
They're like, okay, if this is moderate, I want either extreme.
And so now you've got the fringe right and the fringe left and the establishment.
And I think libertarianism is actually the real center.
It's what most people should want.
You know, I mean, the problem is they don't want it because people still hold so firmly on to control.
They want to control other people or have someone controlling them.
If they could let that go, they would realize that libertarianism is kind of the center because you're letting people live how they want.
It's the only ideology that overlaps uh right and left and allows for coexistence.
But uh, you know, we're a long way from people realizing that.
So right now the fight is to tell them, like, hey, hey, hey, you know, extremity isn't actually good.
The problem is that what you've been told is moderate is actually extreme and ridiculous.
Yeah, I man, I have I have such mixed feelings about that, because I agree with you that there's a lot of wisdom in moderation and that there's a lot of uh irrational radicalization that's going on.
Uh but at the same extent, I'm an objectivist um in the in the true sense of the term that I think I think things are black and white, even um uh in terms of policies, like I think I think that you should have policies that are based off of a philosophy that's derived in reason, which is man's tool to perceive reality, right?
That this is how we perceive reality, and everything that we do should be based on reason and what is real and objective and true, so that we can have laws that uh uh and policies in place that um most uh naturally harmonize or or align with how shit actually works in the universe,
because that's like the only thing that that's the only way that's sustainable and just and so when you have sort of like uh an objective foundation like that of print like that principle, that objective foundational principle itself, then you can really start making arguments about policies in a way that you can't if you're like a postmodernist subjectivist person who just sort of has like a like an intuition or a whim about what they think is right.
So, for example, like you know, intuitively people are are like of course women should be able to get like an abortion, like if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have a baby, like intuitively that makes sense.
Like you can't see the baby yet, like nobody's held the baby, you don't think of it as like a human being yet, right?
Like it absolutely that makes sense too.
But if you think about it and you're like, wait, like, all right, if we are born with inalienable rights, like when do we get those rights?
Is it actually at the moment of birth?
Is there some sort of theological ensolement that occurs where the soul goes into the fetus, like the Catholics say after 40 days, right?
And if we're and if we believe in the separation of church and state, then do we just make an arbitrary timeline in order to determine where we're comfortable drawing the line?
And like that's why it's complicated.
And so um you I think things seem like they're that moderation is the key, or that gray areas are the key are are the answer.
But I often think that um gray areas aren't really gray areas, they are just um um unsolved problems, you know, it's like a cluster of unsolved problems, and if we could just if we could just hash through it, we would get there.
And uh, I guess what my ultimate point was is that maybe some things that seem radical aren't actually radical, they're just correct, and as a society, we are radically incorrect.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you're if you're so off base, then what you then what you actually need to do seems radical.
Yeah, well, that's that's actually kind of what I was saying.
Like the actual correct uh maybe I should just use a different word than moderate, but the actual correct answer is um, you know, it seems radical, but it's not what the radical left or the radical right are pushing for.
Their ideas I think actually are radical and wrong, but what the center, the establishment center has presented as correct is also extremely wrong.
So people will go looking to the right or the left when the solution really is right there, you know, there are some pretty obvious answers to these questions that nobody's entertaining uh because they're just going for one of those three extremities, whatever the establishment's pushing, or what the crazy right or crazy left are pushing.
And I think the job of libertarians is to say, hey, this really isn't that hard, you know, we should not be fighting all these wars, we shouldn't incarcerate people for something they put in their body.
Um, you know, the police shouldn't be able to steal money from you without accusing you of a crime.
The government shouldn't be able to seize property from you without a warrant, you know, just down the list.
And if people basically all the shit that we already wrote down that we just don't follow anymore.
Yeah, exactly.
And if people actually hear it and think about it, it might Make more sense to them, but they've been so propagandized with this idea of control that they either go for the establishment, which definitely believes in control, and then the crazy right and the crazy left also believe in control.
Yes, I wanted to ask you, what do you what do you think it means to be radically right right wing?
So radically right wing at this point.
I mean, because these terms shift all the time, but extremely nationalist, extremely pro-law enforcement, extremely pro-military, um, extremely anti-immigration, anti-free trade, anti-free when you say free trade, do you mean uh domestic free trade or do you mean international free trade?
International, like uh, you know, keep sanctions high on Cuba, keep sanctioning Iran, all that type of stuff.
Um, you know, extreme cultural values uh through legislation, like being against ending the war on drugs, uh being against uh not so much gay marriage anymore.
I feel like that's an issue that's just died.
Dude, I I had a dude on the podcast that was adamant about a constitutional amendment to make gay marriage illegal.
Okay, so I mean it just I couldn't believe it.
I hadn't heard anything like that in 15 years.
So I mean I was like, what?
Are you serious?
You're gonna die on that hill?
And then you've got people like Nick Fuente.
So that's pretty gay, dude.
Yeah, exactly.
And then people like uh Nick Fuentes, who are considered the radical right, but they're they deviate, like they're he's not very pro-law enforcement, he's pretty anti-Israel, he's pretty anti war.
So I mean it's weird.
Uh you don't really know where it's gonna land.
But speaking of gay, do you think that Fuentes is a closet case?
I don't think it's even closet.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Yeah, no, I think he, yeah, I think he probably is.
I think it's kind of awkward.
But yeah, does he know that?
Or is he in denial?
Or do you think that uh he knows it?
I have I've not asked him, so I don't know.
Maybe we'll have to get him on the show.
Have you ever talked to him?
No, he blocked me on Twitter when he still had an account.
Let's let's get him on the uh on the four horsemen.
Yeah, I would man, I would do that.
I'd get canceled so hard, but I don't really care.
I I would love that.
Well, just don't host it on YouTube for one episode, just do it like on a different platform for just one episode.
Yeah, or just like on my alternate channel or something.
I don't know.
I could I could do like we could figure something out.
I I actually have I have thought of that.
I thought has crossed my mind that he'd be good for the four horsemen because uh um you know, he's probably cool one-on-one.
You know, he does not like Ryan Dawson, though.
Ryan Dawson ate his lunch in the one debate they did.
And he is that is that is that like can you find that anywhere?
That debate you can find parts of it.
I'll send you what's left of it.
There's like a 15-minute clip out of it, and it's just embarrassing to watch.
But please do, I would love to see that.
Yeah, um, but yeah, I mean, I would talk to anyone, you know.
I would have people that I think are evil on my show.
Like if Billy Crystal wanted to come on my show for some reason, I'd have him on and I'd tell him what a piece of shit I think he is, and you know, all the stuff I disagree with him on, or if AOC wanted to come on my show, I don't care, sure.
I mean, as long as I think it could be an interesting conversation, then I would entertain it.
I mean, if you're in nobody who I don't want to bring attention to because I think you're an idiot, then I'm not gonna have you on my show.
But pretty much any other scenario, I'd be I'd be interested in having a conversation.
Yeah, uh well, and I I think there's a big difference too between trying to talk to somebody who's just like fucking lying versus somebody you just you disagree with.
So like one of the things I struggle with with with AOC is I I tend to think that she's just like making shit up because she knows it works for Instagram.
Yeah, um I could be I could be totally off base about that, but that's just sort of my intuition about her.
Uh but I'd be happy to to debate somebody who like earnestly disagreed with me about um tax rates, you know.
So it I don't know, it's just hard to tell these days.
But what I think Ryan Dawson needs to do is I think he needs to um sort of take like a Bill Hicks approach where he tours and does stand up and I swear to God.
All he does is just like walk right through all this shit and rant like he does because it is funny, and it is true, and if he does it as a comic, they can't de-platform him.
Right.
Yeah, he actually gave me the hint of putting all those four horsemen episodes in the uh comedy category on YouTube so that they're less likely to get removed.
Did it work for him?
Uh no.
He's been banned off of everything, everything.
So like they I can't believe he got banned off Coinbase.
What the fuck?
Coinbase, AOL.
Uh Can he have a bank account?
Not in the United States.
He has one bank account on an Indian reservation in the United States, but other than that, he can't use like any banks.
Anti Zionist stuff.
Do you know what happened?
Like specifically, like was he dropping M bombs?
Like, what the hell did he do?
No, I mean it's just been over the years, it's happened on all sorts of different places.
But um the other thing is he'll have copycat accounts that will say really bad stuff purposefully.
Oh, and he gets pinned, and then he gets pinned.
Uh that happened pretty early on.
Like I forget it was on MySpace or something.
I forget what account what uh social media platform it was, but uh people made like five different accounts that were the same picture, and the ID number was just like one number off, and they would say obscene things and get him removed that way.
Yeah, that's terrible.
Yeah, well, he's figured it out.
Japan seems to love him, huh?
Yeah, um, I'm sure he sticks out there quite a bit.
Um, but uh yeah, I mean I I I wanna I want to get him over here uh for some event.
Like if you know this is what libertarians suck at, all their events are so boring.
Like they should have um all that remains because Phil Labont, he's a friend of mine, he's uh you know, he's the lead singer, he's a libertarian.
Um have uh what's his name there?
Um Eric July, you know, like have him do a concert or something, like have Ryan Dawson fly over from Japan and do some speech or something.
We could do like a live four horsemen.
That's some of it.
I don't know, just like make it interesting, make people want to come, make people laugh.
We're just so crisp and dry and boring and reaching.
We need our own burning man, dude.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, that's where Porkfest is, but we need no like with the bands and panels though.
So it's like South by Southwest meets Burning Man, and anybody can go, but you have to become a registered member of the party in order to be welcome.
So you have to be like a card carrying member of the party to go.
So everybody will join the party for a month or whatever to go.
And then uh you waltz in, all the panels are going on, all the partying's going on.
Um that would be cool.
And it would draw so much attention to the movement.
You know, you have the stand-up comics go through, like that would be easy to organize, especially like in Texas or something where there's like so much open land that it would be easy to put together like a like a woodstock type thing here.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean we should really do that.
We should be doing stuff like that.
Um we can get the money to do that, no problem, dude.
You know how people would throw down.
You know how many entertainers would agree to do it for free?
Oh, yeah, and Joe Rogan, people like that would be all about this type of thing.
Um this is why I kind of like the Mises caucus takeover thing because they're more into that type of messaging, more into that style.
The old guard is just so boring and pearl clutching and idiotic and thinking that they're gonna Yeah, but you we're libertarians, we don't need their permission, bro.
Yeah, exactly.
So I mean, things are changing.
I want to see more of those types of things being done and trying to actually appeal to the public that we're trying to convert to libertarianism, you know, try to be funny.
Um, I mean, if we had our own George Carlin, you know, who was a libertarian just out there, you know, just eviscerating the warfare state and the that could be Dawson.
It could, yeah.
No, I mean that's that's the type of that's the type of thing we need.
Uh we don't need more boring old um establishment types.
We need young, energetic, exciting uh zeitgeists who know what the people want to see and what they want to hear.
We need to buy like the um like the plot that Waco was uh the Waco um branch dividians was on and do it there.
And we need to call it gall we need to call it Galt's Gulch.
And it's like an annual thing, right?
Yeah, and um oh dude, it would be so awesome.
And um we could make it so that like when you walk into the event, you like deposit money and you it's got like its own crypto just for the event that works, you know, like tokens.
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, so the whole thing is like this its own currency, sort of like Galt's Gulch was, but you could oh dude, it could be so cool, and it would be so easy to raise the money to do it.
Um man, I think that I think that's what it is.
I think that we need to just start doing like I said, like we were talking about earlier, like radical things, right?
So So the Libertarian Party is sort of in like a desperate vulnerable place right now, right?
With there's a lot of internal turmoil that's happened, but there's a lot of good things that are happening too.
And I feel like if some radical decisions were made with significant enough consensus, then some big outcomes could play out.
So I don't know, like doing stuff like that would would be just tremendous.
And like we could do it in such a badass way that it's not just like one show, or we could make it like a weekend or a week, or I don't know.
I just I yeah, I think events like that are would would be huge.
Live stream the whole thing for free.
Oh, dude, it could be so cool.
Yeah, yeah, no, that would uh that'd be pretty cool.
I mean that that that's how cultural battles are won.
You know, that's why we're that's why we are where we are today, because media has pushed a certain narrative.
Uh the left has been really good because they do a lot of those types of things.
You know, they've got Hollywood, they've got um, you know, a lot of the um a lot of the music festivals, like all that type of stuff.
It's all culturally left.
So we need to do the same thing.
We need to start inserting libertarianism into the culture because I feel like we're so obsessed with legislation and we're not working on changing people's minds.
And when I say culture, I don't mean right or left, because I don't think libertarianism culturally culturally should be right or left.
I think it should be a choice.
What we need to get people to understand is that power corrupts and control is not a good thing.
You don't need to control other people.
You need to control yourself.
Control yourself, make yourself better.
You know, that's the goal.
So if we can somehow make that a popular message, that's how we win.
And it's not a popular message right now.
I mean, people think the exact opposite.
So, Reed, where can everybody find you?
Find me at the Naturalist Capitalist on YouTube.
Uh, and then on Twitter, I am ReadCoverdale.
And not Coverdale, Coverdale.
I guess you can find them on Facebook.
I'm I'm the naturalist capitalist on Facebook, and then I'm also Read Coverdale on Instagram.
I don't do much there.
Uh and then also my uh podcasts are up uh uploaded to Anchor probably a week after they come out on YouTube.
I get them up there uh so you can get the audio only version if that's your speed.
But yeah, most importantly, subscribe to me on YouTube, follow me on Twitter, that's where you'll see me the most.
And um, I've got some interesting interviews coming up.
I'm actually going on Bridget Feticy's show next time.
I saw that.
Congratulations.
So that'll be cool.
And then um working on getting uh Abby Martin on the show, Tulsi Gabbard's gonna be coming on the show sometime soon.
And um, we'll see, Matt Kibby and maybe Peter Schiff.
That one's still I'm still working on that one, but I'm uh how'd you get in touch with uh how'd you get in touch with Tulsi?
Did you just DM her?
Uh I actually I campaigned for her on our so I already knew her, so I just got in touch with her through venues that I already had.
Cool.
I accidentally sent um uh Clint the uh link to join the stream.
He's like, what is this for?
Oh I'm just like saying the wrong link, sorry, bro.
But thanks so much for coming on, man.
It was a real joy to have you, and um, we'll do it again sometime.
I really love being on your show.
You have a great podcast, it's super impressive what you've done and what you continue to do.
And uh I will continue to watch and follow, and uh I hope that all my listeners will do the same and all your listeners will start following me.
