One American - Chase Geiser - Ian Miles Cheong: Elections, Wokeism, Cryptocurrency & Dating In 2021

May 20, 2021 - One American - Chase Geiser

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Ian Miles Cheong: Elections, Wokeism, Cryptocurrency & Dating In 2021 | One American Podcast #2

Chase Geiser is joined by Ian Miles Cheong. Ian is an influencer and commentator who says the quiet part out loud.   EPISODE LINKS:  Ian's Twitter: https://twitter.com/stillgray Chase's Twitter: https://twitter.com/realchasegeiser  PODCAST INFO:  Podcast website: https://www.patreon.com/IAmOneAmerican

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chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I think one thing that people really miss, especially with this whole January 6th insurrection argument that's going on, is the reason that people believe the election wasn't legitimate.
		The reason they believe it was a fraud isn't because Trump said it was a fraud.
		It's because the media lied about everything else.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		It's like social media helped it along, right?
		You have Google pushing only news of a certain nature there.
		I mean, Google is forcing you to believe that, you know, Hillary was a rightful winner and that Russians stole the election.
		I mean, if you went on Google News every single day up until I would say 2020, you know, all the news articles every single day were Russia this, Russia that, Russian collusion.
		And they pushed it to the top.
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		I still have a dream.
		Good night.
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chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I was trying to look up your background a little bit, and all I could really find was a bunch of trash articles about Gamergate.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Basically, it's the haters.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It's the haters.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So what's your story?
		Like, you have a background in game reviews and stuff like that?
		Tell me, tell me a little bit about that.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what's my trajectory?
		Well, my trajectory is interesting, right?
		Patting myself on the back here.
		It's interesting.
		Yeah.
		I used to be like a hobbyist, web developer slash, you know, game fan site type guy.
		I mean, I was a kid, right?
		I was a kid.
		I was like maybe 16, 17, 18, whatever, making gaming fan sites.
		You know, back in the day, that was like the thing, right?
		I mean, unless you worked for like, say, IGN or something, which by the way, employs people that age, you're going to work on a gaming fan site.
		So, you know, that was my background.
		And then it landed me a position in the game industry where I worked in game publishing for a couple of years, right?
		But then I realized, you know, I mean, this, well, the job itself was not that interesting.
		So I got out of it and I got into publishing online, you know, like doing blogs, video games, things like that.
		And this is before YouTube.
		This is before I could even afford a camera.
		So, you know, otherwise I'd be like a big YouTuber or something right now.
		But I made my living doing game reviews.
		And, you know, it's like, it's funny.
		You watch these game journalists weighing in on Palestine and Israel.
		And I'm like, you guys write reviews for Destiny 2.
		You write guides for video games.
		What are you talking about?
		You don't know a damn thing about politics.
		Stop it.
		Right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You just got done dragging an alligator all through the Red Dead Redemption 2.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like that's their job, right?
		Their job is very simple.
		It's just to, you know, to play video games and to write about them.
		It's not that complicated.
		And they can't even do that, right?
		They got to insert their politics into it.
		So I got into game reviews and gaming news.
		You know, I would call it journalism.
		It's not, right?
		But I was a bit outspoken.
		You know, like, so during the Gamergate era, I was actually on the side of the anti-Gamergate people.
		I was on the side of, you know, Anita Sarkeesian Zoe Quinn.
		Like, Zoe Quinn was like a good friend, for example, right?
		We were all tight.
		And, you know, this was like the beginnings of cancel culture.
		Right.
		And it was clear from the, I would say, maybe not from the onset, because from the onset, you know, you had a bunch of random people, you know, like anime avatars, this sort of thing, harassing female game developers, for example.
		And, you know, what they did was wrong.
		But then the games media, they turned it into this whole narrative about how video gamers are over, you know, like the game companies need to stop catering to straight white males because, you know, they're all sexist and racist.
		And like, that was not true, clearly.
		And, you know, I was not really concerned about alienating my audience because, you know, I still wrote about video games, but I didn't like what they were doing, what they were saying about gamers in general, I mean, about consumers, because they would complain about something.
		It would be like the most nothing topic, right?
		And then they would turn it into an attack on gamers.
		For instance, when EA Games, you know, like that, they love to sell microtransactions.
		A lot of people complain about microtransactions and they would write to do so because I mean, they were milking gamers for all their worth.
		And this is back in the day when, you know, you release a video game and you've got like 10 instant microtransactions.
		You're going to pay an extra $500 just to get all the game's content, which is really bad, right?
		People complained about it.
		And the games media came to the defense of the game industry.
		And it's at this point where I realized, okay, these guys, they're just anti-gamer for the sake of being anti-gamer.
		And I started running op-eds at Heat Street, which was a News Corp-owned site, right?
		At first, it was op-eds.
		And then I realized, you know, I don't really like gaming news so much.
		I mean, it's not super interesting.
		It's boring, basic stuff.
		I'd rather talk about politics.
		And, you know, being someone who is a well-read person, I think, I was able to start writing news for them.
		And that's when I became like a proper journalist, I guess.
		I don't, I still don't call myself a journalist.
		I'm more of an opinions guy, right?
		Right, right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, so are the journalists.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		And so are the journalists.
		Yeah.
		They call themselves journalists, but there's nothing objective about them.
		I mean, they're obviously real journalists and they get attacked, right?
		I mean, look at those Daily Caller guys who went to all these BLM protests and they took video.
		And yeah, it makes Antifa look bad, makes BLM look bad.
		And The Intercept, which are so-called real journalists, write a story about how these guys are driving the right-wing movement against BLM.
		It's like, come on, they're doing journalism.
		They're not even offering commentary.
		They're just there, you know?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I found that when I listen to journalists whom I consider to be real journalists, I'm not as pissed off when I disagree with them because at least I trust that they've done the intellectual due diligence to try to get to the bottom stuff.
		So I don't always agree with Glenn Greenwald, for example, but I really respect them.
		And so it's not like frustrating in the same sense as it is when you see some White House correspondent just talking trash for no reason about some issue that they don't know what they're talking about.
		And so I think that we're really lacking in terms of where we could be with journalism, especially in the United States.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I mean, and this is something I think Tim Poole highlighted years ago, where he said something along the lines of how journalists have become activists and they are putting their activism into their journalistic work.
		And on top of that, and this was like the meat, the crux of his argument here, is that they're all mentally ill.
		You know, they're always complaining about being tired, about being fatigued, about being, you know, they're always tired.
		You notice that?
		Like, they were all like, I'm so tired.
		I'm so tired.
		It's like, well, maybe take a break then.
		But they're like unable to take a break because of their emotional labor, right?
		They're always, they've got issues, they've got alcoholism, you know, they have mental problems.
		They're suffering from all sorts of, you know, depression and so on.
		And I won't really get into it, but like these guys are putting their mental illnesses, their fatigue or whatever into their articles.
		And it really shows they're making society ill, right?
		That's exactly what they're doing.
		And you can quite see that.
		I mean, you can see this quite clearly with their coverage of lockdowns, right?
		I mean, you have both the New York Times lockdown reporter, you know, she covers all of the whole beat, as well as like, I think the Toronto Sun or something.
		Maybe it wasn't not the Toronto Sun, it was one of the liberal publications in Canada, where you have these two journalists, just you know, I'm just singling them out, and they're like crazy.
		They're wearing like three masks.
		One of them was complaining about how she forces her kids to wear masks in the house.
		I mean, this is not normal behavior.
		And they're putting this in their articles.
		Their coverage of it is so, so slanted, right?
		They're unable to view things objectively, and they don't want to.
		They'll even admit that objectivity is like a bad thing.
		And now, with critical race theory, objectivity is white supremacy, right?
		It's one of the 12 facets of it.
		It's like, what are you guys doing?
		You're not really journalists.
		You're activists and you're masquerading as journalists and you're winning awards for it because you're activists.
		And the whole Pulitzer Council has been completely taken over, much like everything else, with all these woke people who will, you know, pat each other on the back for promoting social justice, right?
		They think it's their duty.
		It's white guilt or white saviorism 2.0 is what it is.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's really interesting.
		And I think another aspect of it, too, of course, is the medium has changed so much.
		50 years ago, if you wanted to be a journalist, there's only so much real estate on a newspaper.
		So they had to edit and select the stuff that they wanted to publish.
		But now, since it's all click-oriented for ad revenue and there's infinite medium to publish on, people just throw stuff out constantly to try to see what's going to go viral.
		So you just have this whole rash of shit basically that gets published constantly when back in the day, there was just a few pages in a newspaper.
		And so the editors could put the right content out.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Basically, I mean, I don't know if you know this website called Mike.com, right?
		It was funded by all these Harvard grads.
		They threw their money into it to be like activist journalism.
		And their writers were complaining about it.
		This is when it was shutting down.
		I think they haven't really shut down, shutdown, but back when they were firing everybody, there was some leaked memos and stuff that came out, some leaked emails.
		And it was all these, I would say, woke journalists who went to work there thinking they could promote their woke stuff.
		And the editors were like, oh, we don't want you to write good news.
		We don't want you to cover some story about.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		They're like, oh, we're not interested in your story about how some black business owner created like a rooftop business and he's making a lot of money in Colorado.
		Like, we're not interested in these good stories.
		We're only interested if he is, if he has like faced racial discrimination.
		Did you talk to him?
		Did he face any racists?
		It's like, and even these woke people didn't want to write about it.
		And yet they were forced to by their editors because the editors are still looking at the money, right?
		They're looking at the clicks and they see that, well, you know, a story, a feel-good story about a black man opening a business is not exactly going to get any traffic.
		But if a black man opening a business gets faced down by a guy in a white hood, then maybe, you know.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's crazy.
		And well, we saw a lot of that with this last campaign in particular, too, just the incessant push for Biden.
		It was so obvious.
		And I used to, I always knew that the media was less than outstanding, but it wasn't until Trump won in 2016.
		It was election night.
		I distinctly remember it because I was working on another campaign at the time.
		When he won, I was like, holy shit, they lied because I thought Hillary was going to win for sure because all the polls, we hadn't had an election before where it was so exaggerated what the outcome was going to be.
		And it was the margin of error was such that they didn't just make a mistake.
		Like they knew that the polls weren't accurate and they've been lying the whole time.
		So ever since then, it's been really hard for me to trust media.
		And I think one thing that people really miss, especially with this whole January 6th insurrection argument that's going on, is the reason that people believe the election wasn't legitimate.
		The reason they believe it was a fraud isn't because Trump said it was a fraud.
		It's because the media lied about everything else.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		It's like social media helped it along, right?
		You have Google pushing only news of a certain nature there.
		I mean, Google is forcing you to believe that Hillary was a rightful winner and that a Russian stole the election.
		I mean, if you went on Google News every single day up until I would say 2020, all the news articles every single day were Russia this, Russia that, Russian collusion.
		And they pushed it to the top.
		I mean, this is to delegitimize Trump, right?
		That's exactly what they did.
		And now we know clearly that the Russian collusion thing never happened.
		There was no such thing.
		And yet they're still going at it because they got to maintain that big lie, right?
		They love using the term big lie because Hitler said it sometime ago, you know, and it's like, well, you guys are the ones pushing it.
		And this is all projection.
		And you realize that.
		And somehow you're saying Trump is guilty of it.
		Well, you know, he may be misled into thinking that he won the election.
		I don't think he did.
		I think that there were some erroneous counts here and there.
		And that's why we're doing audits now in Arizona.
		And I think that should be done completely.
		It'll be interesting to see what the outcome of that is.
		But beyond that, I think when people say that the election was a fraud or something, they're not even necessarily talking about voting machines or Linwood or anything like that.
		They're just talking about how the media lied to people.
		And they made the coronavirus seem a lot worse than it actually was.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		They covered up Hunter Biden.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		They did.
		Yep.
		They censor people.
		This is what people are really talking about.
		And it's not the conspiracy stuff.
		Most people are not going to go to 8chan or 4chan or something to read conspiracy theories.
		They're not going to regurgitate that.
		They're normal, sane people who are seeing, you know, who are seeing the media pulling wool over their eyes and telling them that this is what reality is as well.
		It's not, you know, it's not.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I kind of came to the same conclusion.
		I don't think that, I don't think that there was an overwhelming amount of actual cheating in the election.
		There might have been some.
		I'm sure there always is from both sides.
		But I do think it was unbelievably cheap the way the Democrats won by changing all the rules and using COVID as the excuse to do it.
		It's like, if you're playing a game of monopoly with your friends, you can't just change the rules in the middle of the game.
		Like I don't like, I don't like the idea of changing election laws and rules in the middle of an election.
		Like it seems like that should be something that should only be pushed forward to another cycle.
		And I know that it was a national emergency, but they knew when they mailed out ballots what that was going to mean.
		And they knew and none of the Republicans at the state level or the federal level really had the balls to say anything about it.
		And that was sort of the beginning of my disenfranchisement with the GOP because I don't consider myself a Republican, but I do always vote for Republicans.
		So other people would consider me one.
		But I'm just so pissed off at how weak all the leadership was in handling the situation.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It was just like a handful of people who are trying to handle it.
		Like David Schaefer, he's a Georgia Republican, right?
		He was doing a great job, but his voice falls in deaf ears, right?
		I mean, Brad Raffensberger doesn't necessarily listen to him, right?
		This is the issue, right?
		They don't take these things seriously until it is like way too late.
		It's like the same thing with critical race theory.
		Like right now, Christopher Gruffo is doing an amazing job, right?
		He's exposing critical race theory, but it still doesn't go far enough because even after they implement these laws, those teachers are still going to be teaching their alternate alternative education streams.
		They're still going to be doing that to students.
		And that is the next step, right?
		After this legislation is put into place, you got to do more than that.
		We can't just say, oh, yeah, it's the law.
		It's done.
		It's illegal, blah, blah, blah.
		I mean, castrating your child is illegal in Michigan.
		And yet, you know, a small group of people still do it because it's part of their religion, right?
		So, you know, like it doesn't matter if it's the law.
		If it's not enforced, then it's useless, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Right.
		It's, it's funny because I was reading about the Revolutionary War on Wikipedia.
		I spend like hours on Wikipedia when I'm trying to fall asleep.
		It's awesome.
		And I went down the Federal Reserve Banking rabbit.
		That was like six hours.
		My wife wanted to kill me.
		But it's funny because I was reading about the legality of the Revolutionary War.
		And I'm paraphrasing, but I thought it was so cool because there was a passage on Wikipedia where it said, scholars have determined that the legality of the Revolutionary War was deemed irrelevant the moment we won.
		I was like, that is so badass.
		It's like, yeah, maybe it was a little, I mean, certainly, this is all Georgia's, but if you, if it's not enforced or the law is not enforceable, then it's no longer, it's irrelevant.
		It's no longer the war.
unidentified		Exactly.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		And that should be our goal, right?
		We should not be clinging to the letter of the law.
		I mean, we should be winning, right?
		We should be focused on winning.
		And this is what I liked about Trump.
		This is what I loved about Trump is that, and DeSantis at this point, right?
		He's focused on winning.
		He's not focused on the irrelevancies of, you know, what's going to happen if they take it to court.
		Like, this is why I support, say, DeSantis over, say, someone like Christy Noam, because DeSantis just straight up bans CRTs, straight up lifts the mask mandates, straight up bans putting, you know, transgender people in girls' sports, right?
		He just straight up banned it.
		He didn't think about the law, nothing, right?
		He didn't think, oh, you know, like the NCAA is going to sue me.
		He didn't think about that.
		Whereas Christy Noam is like, well, you know, we're a small state.
		We're into South Dakota.
		We don't have the money to fight the NCAA.
		It's like, yeah, you do.
		When they sue you, your people will come to your defense and they will back you up.
		They will support any effort to preserve the sanctity of girls' sports, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And that's what people will do.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You just need to ask for help.
		And she was like, you know, just caught up in the whole, oh, it's the legality of it is questionable.
		It might go to the Supreme Court.
		It's like, maybe think about that later.
		Worry about this now, you know?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Right.
		So what do you think the outcome of all this is going to be?
		How do you think this is going to play out over the next decade?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to be interesting.
		I think the majority of people, you know, in America or even on the planet oppose the wokeness, right?
		They did a poll recently in the UK, mind you.
		They asked people, are you woke?
		And the majority was like 57% of people said, I don't know what wokeness is.
		And the others were like, it was something like 30% said, I'm not woke.
		And then only like 14% said, I'm woke.
		So they're a small minority of people.
		You know, it's like one out of 10 people is woke, right?
		Online people.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		People forget that only like one in five American adults even uses Twitter.
		So when something's trending on Twitter, 80% of America doesn't give a shit.
		You know, it's not like, it's not, it's not a good focus group for these politicians.
		And they're totally allowing themselves to be guided by it because that's just the psychological reaction to the endorphins, I guess, that you get from post-embiral shit.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when you have Rush Limbaugh's show and he has more listeners, I'm talking dozens of millions of people listening to him, you know, when he was alive, right?
		Back in the day, he had a larger audience than any of these people on Twitter, right?
		They may get 100,000 retweets.
		It doesn't matter.
		You know, Rush Limbaugh is getting millions and millions and millions of people who agree with him, right?
		So this is the bulk of America does not agree with what is on Twitter.
		They don't agree with all the woke culture, what's put on MTV, what's put on NBC or CBS or Netflix or anything like that.
		They don't agree with it.
		And that's why, you know, like the NBA, for example, is declining in viewership.
		I mean, it's got some of the lowest ratings ever.
		And it's not because of the pandemic, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I think it's interesting.
		I was thinking about this last week.
		I'd be interested to know what you think.
		You know, the Republican Party sort of has a reputation for being old, cantankerous white dudes.
		And I think that's a false representation.
		I think what's happening is those are the only Republicans that feel like they can tweet because they're retired.
		It's like everyone else is worried about losing their jobs.
		So you have, you know, and the only reason I'm so diligent about what I think on Twitter is because I'm self-employed.
		So nobody can fire me, you know?
		But if I had a job, my Twitter would be worried about it.
		I'd be the, yeah, I'd have the eggshell profile from forever ago.
		And I would just be, I'd be following you and maybe seek, maybe liking tweets every once in a while.
unidentified		Right, right.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I mean, it's the same thing for a lot of people, right?
		And I just wish that they would all speak out at once.
		You know, it's not going to happen, but despite freeing it, that everybody just speaks up and is like, we reject canceled culture, we reject wokeness.
		That's never going to happen because people are cowards, you know, and they have to deal with the realities of losing their job.
		But it'd be nice if they did that.
		You know, so unfortunately, it's up to people like us, I guess, you know, who are able to say these things, who are able to speak out loud and say the quiet part out loud that you know that emboldens them, right?
		Hopefully, that's what's happening.
		Hopefully, we are moving the Overton window to make these conversations possible.
		You know, with podcasts like this, for example, or what we just say on Twitter, we're showing people that it is possible, it's okay to say certain things, that you should not be canceled over it.
		You shouldn't want, you shouldn't worry about it because most people agree with you anyway.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I, and I think another one of the major struggles that our side of the spectrum has sort of politically is we're in an environment where the opposition is able to totally frame the narrative and brand us.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Because, and I'm not, like I said, I'm not a Republican, but I refer to, you know, I use the word we and us a lot when I speak about Republicans.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, yeah, it's very simple.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So, um, I wish that the party would figure out a way to just kick ass in branding.
		And I feel like the Democrats, as much as I despise the vast majority of their candidates, they always do a badass job with branding, not necessarily for a whole campaign, but there's always moments of brilliant branding within a campaign.
		So, for example, Elizabeth Warren wound up being a disaster, but she was hot for a second before she went straight to hell after the DNA test, right?
unidentified		So, right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And they're so good at first impressions.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		They're just so bad at lasting policy.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like look at Bito, right?
		Bito's another great example where he comes out swinging against Ted Cruz.
		You know, he's a tall, lanky guy who, you know, is very much an ally to the Mexicans or whatever, right?
		And he's like, everybody's like, wow, look at this guy.
		He's like a woke warrior.
		You know, we want him because, you know, they're progressives, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Anthony Wiener.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Same thing.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Same thing, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		And now it's like, well, they're a bunch of losers is really what they are.
		Same, same thing with Booty Judge, right?
		I mean, he comes out swinging.
		He's like a smart, well-spoken individual.
		He's handling himself really well during the debates.
		He's crushing the opposition.
		He's like the first smart guy on the stage.
		Oh my God, he knows the policies.
		And now you listen to him and it's like, well, he's an idiot.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		He's like, he's fake riding his bike.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Like, what is he doing?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that his net worth was only 100 grand when he ran for president?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		That's not a lot.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		No, not for a presidential candidate, is it?
unidentified		No.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		But in America, the average 30-year-old has a net worth of seven grand.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		I know.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I know.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So I'm like, so ouch, this inflation thing is going to be a major problem.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		People are talking like openly and honestly about putting UBI, and I'm like, who's going to pay for it?
		You want the rich people to pay for it?
		Do you realize there's such a thing as capital flight?
		They can just leave.
		Yeah, they can just leave.
		They'll go to Barbados.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing, though.
		They don't even have to.
		They won't even raise taxes to fund it.
		They'll just sell bonds to the Fed to pay for it.
		So they'll just, which they'll just incorporate.
		Yeah, they'll increase the debt and then the Fed will print money to buy the bonds and that devalues the currency.
		So yeah, you might get your universal basic income, but your money's not going to be worth anything.
		So you're in the same exact situation.
		That's why all these, all these leftist politicians, they're talking about increases in minimum wage, UBI, all these benefits.
		All they're doing is exploiting a problem and then offering a solution that seems to help, but actually makes the problem worse.
		So they don't have to change their platform when they run for re-election.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		They'll just blame Republicans again.
		They'll say, oh, you know, this is because we're not taxing people high enough.
		That's why.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're not poor because Elon Musk is rich.
		No one's poor because Elon Musk is rich, except for maybe the except for maybe the Ford executives.
		Yeah, who are rich anyway.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		They're rich anyway.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		They're just not as rich as they could be because of Elon Musk.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think about Elon and all this Bitcoin stuff that's been going on the past couple of weeks?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I think that people here, I mean, they depend too much on his opinions.
		I don't think he's at fault for calling out Bitcoin.
		Bitcoin does use way too much electricity, right?
		It just does.
		Coal mines in China are powering Bitcoin.
		That's a problem.
		That means that the majority of Bitcoin is controlled by the Chinese, right?
		They're the ones mining it.
		Same Ethereum, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And do you think they banned it today in order to buy back, buy the drop?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		No, they've always banned it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I'm not very educated on that.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like a lot of people are saying, oh, they just banned it today.
		Oh, my God, China's clamping down on Bitcoin.
		It's like, no, the law has already been in place since like 2017.
		It's been around a while.
		They're just reiterating because they're financial institutions.
		They may be thinking, oh, we're going to get into Bitcoin.
		We see that's going up and up and up.
		So maybe we're going to try to get into it.
		And so China has put a foot down and be like, well, you're not going to, you're not going to devalue the yuan by tying it to Bitcoin.
		That's like a horrible idea.
		So, they don't want the financial institutions to do that.
		And likewise, I don't think banks should be getting into it because it's supposed to be decentralized finance.
		When you have big banks getting into it, what they're doing is they're tying the US dollar directly to the Bitcoin.
		And that's not a great idea because it's a volatile market, right?
		Like, in the long run, maybe that might make sense, right?
		Because decentralized finance is going to be the future, especially the rise of Africa.
		That's where Cardano comes in because they're dealing with these African governments who don't really have stable currencies to begin with.
		And they're saying, Hey, Cardano is a great alternative and it, you know, it's better, it's safe, right?
		So, that's one thing.
		But in general, I think China said what it said, you know, just to reiterate its position.
		But also, yeah, I mean, there's no reason why, you know, like a bunch of Chinese people are not going to just necessarily buy up the Bitcoin when it's low.
		Of course, they will.
		They're billionaires.
		They're going to do that, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But it's not necessarily a coordinated CCP effort.
		It's just sort of okay.
		It's the invisible hand.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the invisible hand of the market, you know, just realigning itself.
unidentified		And I mean, to be honest, it went way up way too fast.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I mean, within a span of what, like two weeks, three weeks, it went from $40,000 to $60,000.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of that was just due to memes.
		Tesla.
		Well, memes and Tesla announcing that they were going to, you know, accept.
		But I just thought it was, I think it's really interesting.
		And I can't quite figure out why Tesla was all in.
		And then within two weeks, they pivoted it away.
		You'd think that they would have had that sort of anticipation that they were going to change their mind about an issue like that.
		And it's not like they didn't know that it was a major drain on the energy sector when they bought it.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing.
		I mean, if you read Elon Musk's full message, and this is something that a lot of people have just ignored, they only saw the headlines.
		You know, they're like, oh, Elon's pulling out of Bitcoin.
		If you read it, he said that we're not giving up on crypto.
		We believe the future is in cryptocurrency.
		We're just not sure it is Bitcoin because Bitcoin is expensive.
		It's kind of a useless currency.
		I mean, all you do is trade with it.
		You don't really do anything else with it.
		Whereas you look at something like Cardano or Ethereum, you can put contracts in there.
		You can put smart contracts.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You can build software on it.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You can build software.
		And exactly.
		Ethereum does have an app market space, right?
		It does exist.
		So Bitcoin doesn't have such a thing like that.
		I mean, if you're using the Bitcoin network, you are using way too much electricity.
		It costs way too much to run.
		And, you know, like, say what you will about climate change, whatever, but pollution is a real issue, right?
		And using electricity that is just not efficient.
		I mean, why would you do that?
		It's like using LED lights, which you know run on less than one watt compared to something from, say, 50 years ago, those lights.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		But the incandescent bulbs are so pretty.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're so pretty.
		They're so bright, but it's 50 watts.
		That's like you, you know, you're watching your TV and you're playing a PlayStation 4.
		It uses less electricity than an incandescent light bulb.
		Think about it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I didn't realize that.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That's wild.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		And I'm talking OLED TVs.
		They're not running at more than 50.
		You know, they're running at like 20 or something.
		Plus the PlayStation 4, that's running about 30.
		So altogether, it's like 50.
		And that's only on high load.
		I mean, if you just keep it on or you just watch Netflix, you're not using much electricity.
		Whereas you put the incandescent light bulb on for like, you know, two hours and boom, you've already like spent your whole day's worth of watching TV.
		It's terrible.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It's the same thing with Bitcoin, you know, like the transfer rates are slow.
		It's expensive.
		It uses so much electricity.
		You compare that to something newer, like, you know, I keep mentioning Cardano because I believe in it, but it uses less than 0.01% of the electricity to transfer money.
		You're not going to, you know, it's not going to cost a lot to just transfer money to somebody else.
		And that's what makes something like that.
		And there's like a few others, you know, there's Link, there's Nano and so on.
		And all these, you know, they don't use much electricity because they're built on being sustainable, right?
		And Bitcoin is not.
		Bitcoin was kind of an experiment, right?
		It was like a thought experiment.
		It just somehow took off.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Who do you think Satoshi is?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Satoshi is, I mean, probably is who he says he is.
		I mean, I'm not, I don't think it really matters.
		I think the whole thing is.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I just think it's interesting.
		I mean, obviously, it doesn't matter.
		Bitcoin's Bitcoin with or without Satoshi, but it's just fascinating this anonymous, mysterious, brilliant person changed the world, you know, with a post with a white paper.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It could very well be, you know, Charles Hoskinson, right?
		The guy who created Ethereum, right?
		It could be him.
		It could be better like Buterin.
		Like they, it may have been like a whole group of people who created this enigmatic Japanese programmer, right?
		And put out this white paper as a group and then decided that, okay, it works, you know, and now we're going to go our own separate ways and do our own thing, you know?
		And that's where Ethereum came in, right?
		I mean, we don't know, right?
		I mean, but it makes sense that they'd want to use someone enigmatic.
		And what is more cyberpunk than Japan, honestly?
		Satoshi, like this old Japanese gentleman, like, really?
		Like, no, I mean, it's going to be a guy in his 20s, so 30s, you know, there's no way it's like some 60-year-old Japanese programmer.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of the cyberpunk, did you watch Altered Carbon?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I watched the first season.
		The second season, I didn't watch, by the way.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I didn't watch the second season for that very reason, but I thought the first season was so awesome.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It's phenomenal.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I read the books.
		I love the books, right?
		The ones by Richard Morgan.
		They're fantastic.
		Yeah.
		There's a lot of stuff cut out.
		Like, it's very anti-religious.
		Like, the books.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, even Cannico of Leibowitz is sort of anti-religious.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That's like one of the first, one of the most famous sci-fi novels ever.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That's red.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It's not even in the show, right?
		I mean, it's like barely in there, right?
		Like, we don't talk about the long beards or whatever they're called.
		Basically, they're like a combination of Muslims and Christians and Jews, right?
		And they're like, maybe not Jews, but Muslims and Christians, like super hardcore fundamentalists who, you know, hate, who hate life itself, basically.
		Right.
		They want to kill people who have the stacks in them.
		Yeah.
		Like they don't put them in the show at all.
		I mean, you have the Catholics who are like objecting to it, but the Catholics were in the book and they were not like bad people or anything like that.
		It was just more of like the more hardcore version of them that it's just not even in the show, which, you know, unfortunate because there's like a buildup to it in the books, you know, in the third one.
		It's like they're the main bad guys.
		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I'll have to read that.
		I'll have to read those.
		I haven't read them.
		I'd love to read those.
		My wife and I have been fans of Handmaid's Tale, despite how cliche it is to be a fan of Handmaid's Tale.
		I love anything post-apocalyptic.
unidentified		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And it's funny to me because when I was watching it for the first time when the first season came out, I thought, man, this is basically the left's vision of what a Christian Sharia law would look like.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		It's like, is this what everybody who isn't Christian thinks Christianity wants?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		That's what they think.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Just like, maybe, maybe that's like a handful of people want that, you know, those trad cap zoomer-based red pill types, right?
		But they're teenagers.
		I don't care what they think.
		Yeah.
		Like they, their opinions don't matter.
		They're incels.
unidentified		It's true.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		And they openly say it.
		They're like, oh, I'm an incel.
		It's like, yeah, yeah, we know, you know, like, we know.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Why would you brag about that?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		That's just a funny thing.
unidentified		Okay.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		So like the whole trad cap zoomer culture, whatever it's called, right?
		It comes from incel forums.
		And, you know, incels are basically just mad at the world because they can't get laid, right?
		They, they've never had a female friend in their life, so they don't know what women are actually like.
		And so they develop this hatred of women.
		Now it's metastasized into incels, into volcels.
		So they're like voluntarily celibate.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You know, like the MGTOW guys, like the men going their own way, guys.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Exactly like them.
		Yeah.
		Like it's, they're like a younger version of them, right?
		The MGTOWs, you know, they originally started as just divorced dads who just pissed off at the dating scene, right?
		And then eventually they started to hate women.
		And now they're men going their own way.
		It's like, well, you guys are, you know, you're just playing victim.
		And so it's, it's sort of like the whole TradCap Zoomer thing.
		It's like an inversion of incels, right?
		They're still incels, but they're reclaiming it.
		They're saying, oh, no, we choose to be incels, right?
		That's what they're doing.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And it's just, it's like, well, I think it's a supply and demand trick.
		They think if they take away the supply, the demand will go up.
		And it's like, no, no, no.
unidentified		There's no.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		There's still a lot of supply.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Nobody wants you.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Nobody wants you.
		No one's interested in you.
		And, you know, obviously you have like the little pickney girls, you know, who show up and they're like, oh, I'm a trad wife.
		It's like, really?
		No, you're not.
		Well, only fans.
		What are you talking about?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		In their defense, is it Volcell?
		Voluntary Celibate?
		Is that what the group's?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Volator.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		In their defense, it would be incredibly difficult to date women today.
		Like, I feel so grateful that I'm married because I can't imagine going up and approaching women in a public environment.
		You can't hit on anybody you work with.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You never know.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You run into a feminist.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, let's just stare raped her.
unidentified		Oops.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		Right.
		I guess with the dating apps, it's a little bit easier because there's sort of like that mutual consent because I understand interaction ever happens.
		But imagine if dating apps didn't exist and we still had this culture around sexual dynamics between men and women.
		Like, I feel like no dudes would be getting laid except for like one or two just with all of them.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		You know what I noticed is that there's like a rise now in arranged uh relationships, you know, arranged by who?
		Right.
		Uh, by, you know, in between people, you know, like matchmakers.
		Yeah.
		Right.
		Yeah.
		And they're basically saying, okay, so you don't want to do the dating scene and you just want to find somebody.
		Like, and this is for like people in the 30s, you know, like, I don't think you really see people in 20s doing this, but people in the 30s are like, well, I'm successful.
		I have a job.
		I have a big house.
		I have a car, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		And I'm looking for someone to settle down with.
		Right.
		And they got to have a certain education or whatever.
		And people are putting up personals on Twitter.
		I've seen it, right?
		Men and women are buying into this because they're getting to that point where they want to settle down.
		They want to have a family, but they don't want to go to the Rigma role of having to play the whole dating thing because you never know who you'd land up with.
		You wind up with somebody who is crazy, just wants your money, who is a gold digger or just wants to play around.
		I mean, maybe that's not what you want, right?
		So they're going through these matchmaking services or to people who are just putting their personals out there and then auditioning people, you know, which is, I find that really fascinating.
		And, you know, maybe there's like a truth to arranged marriages because it's even going that far.
		They're talking about arranged marriages now.
		It's like, well, maybe that's not such a bad thing.
		I mean, we think of, we tend to think of arranged marriages as archaic, right?
		It's like, oh, you're forcing people to marry each other and they're young and they don't know how to make their own decisions.
		Well, that's true, maybe for like Indian culture, you know, where they hoist two teenagers on each other and that's not fair to either party, I think, right?
		But with adults, I mean, why not?
		You know, I mean, you both know what you want, you both have careers, or maybe you don't want to have a career.
		Maybe you want to be a housewife, you know, and that's what you're putting out there.
		You're not doing any false advertising and you're looking for a guy who wants that in his life.
		So maybe that's not such a bad thing.
		So, you know, I think that the market will evolve.
		It is evolving, obviously, because this whole, you know, let's date everybody on Tinder and let's fuck around and have sex.
		It's not really working out for a lot of people.
		I mean, you look at all these sex positive feminists in like 2010, 2012, 2013.
		They were all writing about how a woman's only worth in life is how much dick she gets.
		You know, I mean, this is what they were putting out there.
		They're saying that a woman, you know, if she's in her prime, in her 20s, she should be sleeping with everybody and anybody.
		She should not have any sort of solid, stable relationships with anyone.
		And obviously, this is a lot of projection.
		They're unwilling to commit.
		That's why they put out these articles, right?
		They are afraid of commitment.
		So they're giving bad advice to other young women who just don't know what they're doing.
		And obviously, it's created a lot of sad, lonely, miserable people.
		I mean, these writers now, many of them have written.
		I'm sure you've seen the Jessica Valenti piece, you know, where she used to complain about being catcalled and now she wishes she was still catcalled.
		And that's a tip of the iceberg stuff.
		And her complaint, I understand a lot of women feel that way.
		So she's not like lying about it.
		But then you have these other more extreme women, like, you know, who were sex gurus or something in the 20s, when they were in their 20s, who are now tweeting or posting articles about how depressed they are, how they can't find a man, how no man even trusts them, how they can't find a suitable husband, how everybody who they date, you know, sees them for their previous work and judges them as someone to just sleep around with and not settle down with.
		I mean, this is the bit they've made for themselves and they're getting fucked in it, you know?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're having a, there's socioeconomic causes to this too.
		I think I was talking with a close friend of mine, Ryan Turberville, a couple of last week, and we were trying to figure out what happened in the African-American community in the United States because, you know, 50, 60, 70 years ago, it was a nuclear family unit, very Christian values.
		And I thought, man, I wonder if what happened was these communities were making ends meet, but barely.
		And then when we had the hyperinflation in the 70s and we went off the gold standard and they weren't making any more money, but the money they had was worth less and less, that put them over the threshold to having to turn to crime or alternatives or having to work extra jobs so they're not home with their kids, you know, raising their kids, spending quality time.
		And I think that what's happening in America today, regardless of what demographic you're in, is a lot of men aren't independent until they're 30.
		And it's like, that's why we're not adults until we're 30s because you can't make a living.
		Like you used to be able to graduate high school or drop out of high school, get a job as a plumber or an electrical apprentice, and you could feed a family of four and own your house.
		Now you got to have roommates till you're like 30, unless you're kicking ass and you're just saddled with all this college debt.
		So I think that part of the problem that we have this like terrible dating dynamic and commitment dynamic in our culture is that nobody can afford to be what it takes to be a desirable mate.
		Exactly.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		And this, you know, feminists don't like hearing this because it's their fault.
		The reason why the market is the way it is, why, you know, both men and women are devalued in the marketplace, you know, like they're worth half as much as they used to be is because there's 50% more, no, not 50%, 100% more people working, right?
		100% more people working there.
		So their value is halved, right?
		So unless you're like a highly skilled worker who can, you know, like an artist who is successful, for example, or a writer who's successful, an engineer, something that takes skill, right?
		Unless you're one of these things, you're not going to get a job, right?
		Or you're not going to get a job that pays you double, right?
		Because you are only about as valuable as the person next to you, right?
		If you're stocking shells at Walmart or something, anybody can do that.
		A guy with 50%, you know, 50 IQ could do it.
		So like these are the people you're competing against.
		You know, it's things like the ADA, it's things like putting women in the workforce.
		And now, keep in mind, I'm not saying we need to repeal the 19th, that we need to put women back in chains and put them back in kids.
unidentified		Of course not.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's stupid.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Only stupid people say that, right?
		Or they're being ironic or something.
		That's not realistic, but we have to adapt the economy to cater to this 100% more people.
		And that's not being helped by mass immigration, right?
		There's a reason why countries like, for instance, Australia or Denmark are fine.
		They don't even have minimum wage.
		They have really good killer wages and both men and women are working.
		And the women, most, many of them choose to remain home.
		They remain homemakers, which is interesting, right?
		Despite the fact that they are completely, I would say, it's like a gender neutral environment, right?
		They don't have any sexism in their workplace, unlike America or the UK.
		So it's very interesting to see how women are actually reverting back to traditional roles because they realize that the men can afford to earn a living.
		So that's actually a really good thing, right?
		This is what we need to see more.
		But the only way they manage to accomplish that is by clamping down on mass immigration.
		You can't have millions of people pouring in every single year, taking these low-wage jobs and then taking the jobs above that because they obviously are trained and they get those same skills that you would, right?
		So it works in Denmark, doesn't work anywhere else.
		And it works in Japan, doesn't work anywhere else because again, mass immigration, that's like the big issue.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I think culturally, and in part, this is probably caused by just changing economics, but I don't understand why we refer to 25-year-olds as kids today.
		And whenever, whenever anybody's like, oh, that poor kid, this poor kid, or this person's a victim, or they couldn't make the decision about whatever.
		I just think about the, I think about the 18-year-olds that stormed the beach in Normandy.
		And I always, I tweet this a lot.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		18 year olds even.
unidentified		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, if you're old enough to storm the beach in Normandy, you're old enough to figure out how to do your tax return, right?
		And I just wish that, and I think this is in part a problem with our educational system.
		We waste so much time, K through 12.
		I mean, if we just eliminated summer breaks, you could have a bachelor's degree by the time you graduated from high school.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And this is how things were back in the day.
		You know, I mean, like people like Isaac Newton, or maybe not Isaac Newton, but like people in that era were graduating and going into college by the time they were like 14.
		You know, this is like average, like those really smart kids.
		They'd be in college by the time they're 14.
		You don't see this anymore, you know?
		Now it's like, oh, we did a K-12 thing.
		They're going to be 18 years old.
		It's like, why?
		You're wasting four years of their formative years where their brains are developing.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, and the quality of the education is something to consider too, because if you, if you had a 19th century bachelor's degree, you could read and write in Latin.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You know, that was other languages.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That was like a pre-rec.
		I had a close friend in college who was a philosophy major, brilliant guy.
		And he flew to Greece for a summer sort of internship program when we were in college between semesters.
		And he came back and he could read and write ancient Greek.
		He did like this intense philosophy program.
		It was four philosophy students where they just, they just drilled you every day for like 10 hours.
		And he came back and he was like, I can read Plato's Republic in the original language it was written in.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		He's like Boris Johnson.
unidentified		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But he is brilliant.
		Don't get me wrong.
		I'm not saying he's not brilliant, but the program is what made him able to do that.
		Not necessarily, I mean, it was his determination too, but anybody, everybody is capable of so much more than they're doing.
		They're just not being challenged, in my opinion.
unidentified		Yep.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		I mean, there's no incentive.
		I mean, so the only people who are challenging themselves are doing it on their own accord, right?
		Why are creators more successful than most other people?
		I mean, look at YouTubers who are successful.
		Look at Linus Tectops.
		I like him.
		Or any of these other creators, PewDiePie, for example.
		Why are they successful?
		I mean, they could give up at any given moment.
		They could just say, you know what?
		I'm going to retire.
		I'm relaxing.
		I have my money.
		But they choose not to.
		They choose to become more successful.
		And then they get other people on board that they help out, like the editors or their co-hosts or whatever.
		And those guys are going to be just as successful because they're willing to put the work into something that they don't really have to do.
		They have the personal drive, the motivation to do it.
		But most people don't, right?
		Most people are just happy to kind of coast and do nothing and collect government benefits, right?
		And that's why benefits just don't help anybody because where's the incentive to actually work, right?
unidentified		Right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, and if you're, if you're saddled with debt right out of college, you're way less likely to pursue the thing you're actually passionate about, right?
		So if you're, if you've always wanted to paint, but you owe $150,000 in college debt, maybe you'll do the accountant job for 10 years, but nobody ever stops doing the accounting job once they start, you know?
		And so I think we had this like, we have this pandemic, for lack of a better term or epidemic of people in America who are doing jobs that they don't like because they're enslaved to their debt.
		They owe so much money.
		And I think it's a real travesty that we've created a system that's allowed for that to happen.
		And this is another example of government regulations that were supposed that were designed to help people get a college education, or that was the intent.
		They weren't designed to, but that was the intent.
		And what they ended up doing was drastically inflating the cost of an education because all the colleges and universities knew that the government would foot the bill.
		And then everybody who graduates is just screwed for the rest of their life.
		It's such a bait and switch crap thing.
		And it'd be one thing.
		Yeah, it'd be one thing if the education was awesome.
		But you have people graduating from college that they don't know.
		I know, I'm grateful for my college education.
		I had a good experience, but if it wasn't for one or two classes that I took, it would have been a total waste of money.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like, I know someone with an MFA in English.
		He's got a master's degree in English, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		The guy can barely write.
		What does he learn?
		I mean, what did he learn?
		What?
		Eight years in college or an MFA, you know, like things like that.
		And it's like, what are you doing?
		You know, like, you're not doing anything in your life.
		You're just settling yourself with debt.
		And it's like, oh, because I have a degree.
		It's like.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Meanwhile, Kurt Vonnek is writing number one best-selling fiction and he's never, he'd never taken an if you want to be a writer, just write, you know, just write.
		Like, just speak there's certain things that require licensing and certification, like being a lawyer or a doctor.
		Sure, go yeah, that makes sense.
		But if you want, if you want to own a business, why the hell are you going to business school?
		Like all the great business leaders dropped out.
unidentified		Yeah, they did.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Look at look at Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I know they're bad people, but still, it's like they're good idols.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they're bad people?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Mark and Bill are actually bad individuals?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I don't think Mark is a bad individual.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I think Bill is.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		I don't necessarily disagree.
		I just'm really curious.
		Right.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're curious as to why.
		So let's dissect them first.
		So Mark Zuckerberg, I think, you know, they're both, you know, they're both very utopian, right?
		And when you're in a position of power where you are able to affect the world around you in the way that they do, it's kind of hard not to be utopian.
		You know, Jack is a utopian.
		You know, Walton Buffett's a utopian.
		They all have different views.
		But the way that I see it is that, you know, with Zuckerberg, you know, yeah, there are some bad things that his company has done.
		But in general, if you listen to him speak, I mean, he is protecting people's privacy, which is interesting.
		You know, like compared to Google, for example, Google is more than happy to just mine everything that you put out there, right?
		They are selling it to the highest bidder.
		They don't care if it's a Chinese government or if it's a spy agency, just do it.
		Facebook is a bit better about it.
		And they are also a bit better about the whole free speech thing.
		You know, Google will just outright ban you.
		Facebook will ask questions first.
		They have a process for it because it's not completely politicized, right?
		And it's not like Twitter where Twitter will instantly ban you for any reason.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, and the difference is that on Facebook, you're primarily interacting with your actual network, whereas on Twitter, you're primarily interacting with people you've never met.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It's parasocial stuff.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I think hardly anybody I personally know follows me on Twitter.
		But obviously, when I post on Facebook, it's my cousins, it's my family, it's college friends.
		So you're much less likely to be reported by your real network because they know you, but strangers don't give a damn about you.
		And so it's a much more combative inverse.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		And, you know, I think Zuckerberg has talked about how he wants to keep Facebook more family oriented, more close-knit, right?
		More social versus that's the reason why he got rid of the news feed, right?
		Remember, he used to have a newsfeed and they would put Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump every single day.
		Well, he got rid of that because he realized that this was actually making people really fucking negative, right?
		It was making people hate their neighbors, hate their families.
		And it was like, we don't want this.
		You know, we ran an experiment for like two months.
		We only put negative news and politics in people's timelines and see how they behaved.
		And sure enough, they became really negative people, right?
		They started hating their families.
		They cut people off.
		So he got rid of that.
		And smart move, right?
		Obviously, it hurt a lot of journalists, you know, because we are dependent on Facebook as our bread and butter for our traffic.
		But I need to sneeze.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You're supposed to sneeze into your arm, but I'm like, fuck it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, bless you.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		So, you know, that's what he said.
		Whereas, so I don't think he's a bad person.
		I mean, you know, I'm like on the fence.
		I don't think he's a good guy, right?
		But I don't think he's a good person.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, people always forget that everything changes when you go from being a private company to answering to a board.
		And this happened to Steve Jobs, right?
		Apple totally, the board fucked it up.
		No, like Ayn Rand famously said, nobody makes statues of committees, right?
		Committees always fuck up, right?
		And so, and the same thing happened with Zuck, right?
		Like Facebook was awesome 10 years ago.
		It was so cool.
		It goes public.
		And now all of a sudden you're answering to the board members, shareholders.
		There's concern about PR in a big way because it affects share price in a way that it didn't when it was a private company.
		And things changed.
		And same with Jack, too.
		I am not a fan of Twitter censorship.
		I think it is the closest thing to fascism without being fascism.
		I don't want to be one of those people that just throws that word around because fascism is actually a real thing that's terrible.
		We're not really there yet, in my opinion, but we do approach.
		But people think it's all Jack's fault or it's all Zuck's fault.
		It's really MIDI.
		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		And you can see that in the stuff they say, even it was like, why did Trump get banned?
		Well, it wasn't Jack who decided that.
		It was one tenth of the company as a committee, right?
		They decided that they were going to boycott the company or talk shit about it unless he was banned.
		And when you have one tenth of a company threatening to revolt and not work, that's an issue, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So why do you think Bill Gates is evil?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Because he has no concern about the well-being of people.
		Well, he says that he does.
		And in a generic sense, he does, but he doesn't relate to people in a way that affects their day-to-day lives.
		This is a guy who, for example, here's something that he actually did.
		It's not some conspiracy theory.
		He gave mosquito nets to some place in Africa.
		I forget where.
		Maybe it was Ethiopia.
		Maybe it was someplace where they have a lot of malaria, right?
		A lot of people are dying there.
		So he gave them mosquito nets.
		And the mosquito nets were like these high-tech ones that had like, they were laced with poison.
		Okay.
		They're laced with poison.
		Now, his lack of-and they're very effective if you use them that way, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if they kill babies.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		They kill babies too because they were using that to catch fish.
		Because, you know, it's in Africa, right?
		I mean, everything is going to be multi-purpose.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I didn't realize that that happened.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		But so, but that he didn't do that on purpose.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		He just, that was no, it wasn't on purpose.
		Yeah, but this is the problem with him, right?
		He doesn't think about the long-term ramifications.
		He's just thinking as an elite, what he would do with a mosquito net.
		Well, the mosquito nets used to catch mosquitoes.
		Duh.
		You know, like he doesn't think, well, you know, I'm a poor person.
		I'm going to use a mosquito net to catch fish because I don't have a real net, right?
		He's not thinking like that.
		He's out of touch.
		And that's what makes him a bad person because everything that he does, whether it is, you know, vaccine passports or whatever, you know, like any initiative that he takes is going to impact people negatively because he doesn't think about the unintended consequences.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't think like people.
		And then he gets upset, obviously, because it just backfires.
		Right.
		And so he's like a bad person in the sense that he's actually causing like a net bad to happen in the world versus like a net good.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		But he's not, he's not bad in the sense that you don't necessarily think that he's behind that or he's behind COVID and he's got someone else.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, absolutely not.
		This is bullshit, right?
		That's bullshit.
		There's no evidence for it.
		First of all, there's no evidence for it.
		It's just people throwing out names and like, oh, Warren Buffett's behind us or Bill Gates is behind us or Rafschaus is behind us.
		Where's the evidence?
		You know, you can't show me a YouTube video and claim it's evidence.
		It's not.
		You know, it's so tangential, if anything.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		So no, yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
		So I'm just thinking about the phenomena that is people always assuming that somebody with a lot of money is behind it.
		I wonder why we feel that way.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I've thought about this actually.
		I think that the reason why is because it gives them godlike status and it makes it seem as if we don't have any means to fight back.
		Because if we have to admit that we are the ones with the real problems, that we have issues that need fixing, then, well, we have to confront our own demons and we don't want to do that.
		They're scary to us, right?
		We are more interested in fighting external realities or externalities, I guess, because it makes more sense to have a boogeyman out there.
		It's like with feminism and a patriarchy or intersectional feminists and a patriarchy.
		They're fighting against this hidden monster that's in, you know, that runs the system, that runs the world governments.
		It's the same thing there.
		There's no such thing.
		It doesn't exist.
		The patriarchy does not exist.
		It's more like a collection of individuals out for themselves who benefit themselves in ways that maybe put others at a disadvantage.
		Sure, you can talk about oppression in that regard, but there is no overwhelming force, much like when the right wing talks about billionaires controlling the world or elites.
		It's more like we don't want to deal with our own problems.
		We don't want to deal with the fact that the politicians we elect are corrupt.
		We don't want to deal with the fact that legislation isn't enforced.
		We don't want to deal with the fact that there are things that we can do in our daily lives that can make the world a better place that we just kind of refuse to do.
		We're always putting the blame on somebody else.
		I mean, if you live in Palestine, for example, right?
		Maybe not Palestine, but Gaza.
		There's no such place as Palestine.
		You live in Gaza.
		You're going to blame everything, not on Hamas, not on the people that you put in power.
		You're going to blame it on Israel, right?
		You're going to say that the Jews are the reason for all the bad things that are happening to us.
		Why are the buildings falling down?
		Oh, because the Israelis fired rockets.
		The idea fired rockets at us.
		Well, why did they fire rockets?
		That's not a question anyone's willing to ask, right?
		It's always like that.
		And it's always easier to blame other people, externalities that you have just no control over.
		That way you can feel oppressed.
		I mean, you know, like it puts yourself in a slave mindset.
		And I'm sure, you know, Malcolm X has talked about this, I think.
		And it's like if you're as a slave rather than as a free man, then everything is just a way to be oppressed.
		You know, you're always caught in this constant.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, and you never have to deal with the shame.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You never have to deal with the shame of failure.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you blame somebody else because your business went under or your marriage fell apart, psychologically, that's the shortcut.
		But in sort of a Jordan Peterson-esque perspective, the only way to actually be happier and better is to face the dragon within rather than try to blame some external foe without.
		And, you know, this is true for me too.
		I have a tendency to think everything is like the Marxist fall, the critical, you know, I see opposition as like as a movement, but I don't blame it for my failures or my unhappiness.
		I just see it as terrible for the, for everyone's long-term outcome.
		You know, and I, and I think there's, I think that, you know, if we can find a way to get back to a culture of personal accountability and a genuine desire to know what is true rather than reinforce what we already believe to be true, then we'll be much closer to solving our problems.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have to address the truth, right?
		We have to address the facts, the reality, no matter how hard it is, right?
		If it's really hard, that means it's true, right?
		And this is the issue with a lot of people is that they're unwilling to ask the hard questions.
		They're unwilling to tackle the hard issues.
		They want to take the shortcuts, the easy answers to blame other people for it.
		Oh, why is the why am I broken bankrupt?
		Well, it's because communists are ruining my life.
		It's like, well, no, they're really not.
		They're not really doing anything to you.
		Or the capitalists are ruining my life.
		It's like, no, they're not.
		No one's doing that, but you.
		You choose not to work.
		You choose to stay at home and collect welfare checks and you're blaming capitalism for it.
		It's like, well, that's not how it works.
		I mean, that's not reality.
		Like, look at all these other people who are not collecting welfare checks who are out there working for themselves and they are elevating their positions in life because they're willing to slog through a year of minimum wage to earn their training and to promote it.
		I mean, when I see a person who's like in their 30s and still earning minimum wage, I do not feel sorry for them.
		I don't think, oh, they should be paid more.
		No, absolutely not.
		This is like a temporary job.
unidentified		It's for 18 year olds.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You know, you have the training.
		Where is your ambition to become more than just a grocery store clerk?
		I mean, do something more in your life.
		Become a manager, for God's sakes.
		You know, it's not that hard to attain seniority, you know, but you choose to do the easy job because it's safe to you.
		It's pathetic.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, and we see this a lot from the left, too, because their platform is so conducive to lying about what's possible.
		So over the last 50 years, they have constantly reinforced the idea that there is the oppressed and the oppressor.
		And they, it is, it is not good for Democrat candidates to have constituents who believe the American dream is possible.
		If they can convince people that the American dream is impossible, they can get elected.
		They can push their policies through in a much better way.
		And that the tragedy of that is that the American dream is still possible.
		It may be getting harder.
		It is still possible, but it's absolutely impossible if you don't believe it's possible.
		I went to college to be an audio engineer.
		I thought I wanted to make records.
		I wanted to be a producer.
		And I met my dad went to college with a very successful award-winning producer who lived in Nashville when I was in college.
		And I met with him in a studio and it was really cool.
		I got to sit in on one of the sessions and learn from him and ask him questions.
		And they were working on some records that were going to be hit records and they ended up being hit records.
		And it was such an awesome experience.
		And I asked the guy, I asked him, what does it take to make it in this business?
		He said, listen, it's like, if you want to be a producer, you absolutely can, but you can't do it if there's anything else in the world that you would be content doing.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		He's like, it has to be the only way that you're willing to live.
		And at that point, that was kind of when I was like, wow, maybe I shouldn't be a producer then because I like this, but I don't love it to the extent that I need to love it in order to actually do think the way you need to think to come up with creative solutions to get in the industry and to do to do better.
		And that's true.
		That's becoming true of the American thing.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Thing too.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, let's say you want to become a YouTuber, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You cannot be content with your daily job editing news articles like I do.
		You know, it's kind of like my daily job.
		You cannot be content with that job.
		You must see that job as a sort of not even a stepping stone, but as something that you're just using to get by, right?
		Your real goal has to be set on your creative pursuit.
		Otherwise, it's not going to happen.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Because you're going to tell yourself, well, you know, I got my daily job.
		It pays fine.
		I love my job.
unidentified		It's fine.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's okay.
		So I don't need to do this because it pays well enough.
		And so that dream will never take off.
		If you do try YouTube, you're going to half asset.
		Well, I don't need to put out a video today.
		I've got my daily job.
		It pays well.
		It's like, you can't think like that.
		You have to go all in.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And you see this over and over again with historical examples of the greats, right?
		So if you look at Jim Morrison of the Doors, there's like no way he was going to do anything other than be an awesome rock singer.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Or famous artists or Hemingway, for example.
		Like nobody was going to hire Hemingway, but damn, could he write about the war, you know?
		And it's, it's, it's something to aspire to.
		And I know that people think that it's reckless, and it certainly is if you have a lot of debt from college and you have a family to support, it's reckless.
		But it's also, it's, you, you, I believe that you have to, you have to first love yourself and be loyal to yourself before love or loyalty means anything from you.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So like if you don't love yourself, but you like, if my wife didn't love herself, for example, her love, then would she love you?
		Yeah, it wouldn't mean shit to me.
		Right.
		And so it, right.
		And this, this, this commitment to oneself is not selfish.
		It's not something you do at the expense of others.
		It's, it's actually good for everybody because you're, you're becoming a better individual.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Think of selfishness as a virtue, right?
unidentified		Yes.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Think of it as a virtue because you loving yourself and respecting yourself means that you are able to respect and love other people the same way you do yourself.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
		And so I guess my point is that anybody or culturally, any individual who's denying themselves the life they really want to live is actually committing probably the biggest mistake of their life in a small way every day.
		You know what I mean?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a sin to not achieve your full potential.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I think it is a waste of, and I'm not a religious person, but if you want to put it in religious terms, you could say that God gave you a gift and you squandered it, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Absolutely.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		He gave you the ability to speak, to be entertaining, whatever, you know, and you chose to do a life of menial labor, for example.
		Not that menial labor is bad, mind you.
		It can be really, really good and even artistic, like carpenter, a carpentry, for example, right?
		But let's just say that's not your calling.
		Why are you doing that?
		What?
		Because it's easy for you.
		I mean, stacking shelves is easy for you.
		I mean, that's, it's sad, you know?
		It's not even like, I'm not even looking down on these people.
		I'm just saying it's sad.
		You know, it's sad to let your life be turned into autonomous work.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		It's like that scene from Goodwill Hunting.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever see that movie?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It's a good movie.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Remember when toward the end, Matt Damon's talking to Ben Affleck at the construction site?
		And he's like, you know, I'm going to do this the rest of my life and take our kids to t-ball together.
		And Ben Affleck was like, if you do that, I'll kick your ass.
		You know, like, that's an insult to all of us who don't want to be here that you could be anything you want and you're content to do this.
		It's like, go be you, do what you're best at.
		And funny, I was talking to a friend about this, who's a friend of mine about this.
		His name's Andrew Stern.
		He's on Twitter.
		He's starting, he's a brilliant software engineer and musician.
		And he's starting a company to build some audio plugins and hardware for musicians.
		And I said, listen, man, I was like, because he's a perfectionist.
		He's like, how do I do this?
		How do I do this?
		I was like, listen, business and life, in my opinion, is it's like checkers.
		Like you move diagonally, but always forward, you know?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Like when I started my business in 2016, I run an advertising business.
		Everything I did then is completely different than what I do now with my business, but I had to take the first step in order to know where to pivot, where to pivot, where to pivot.
		And it's like, you just have to do it.
		You don't have to know what the outcome is going to be.
		I don't know exactly.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You're going to feel it out, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what the outcome is going to be of this podcast.
		I'm just going to hustle it, man, because I want to and I know that something's going to manifest.
		I just have faith in it.
		So we'll see.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Makes sense.
		Makes perfect sense.
		Because if you don't do it, then it's like it's a Wayne Gretzky quote that is on the office, right?
		You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Gretzky, Michael Scott.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I love that quote.
		I mean, it makes it makes perfect sense.
		It makes sense for dating.
		It makes sense for any job that you take, any risk you take.
		If you don't take that risk, then, well, it's not going to happen.
		So it's not going to materialize, is it?
		You can't will it into happening.
		A lot of people do this thing called manifesting.
		And it's like, are you actually doing anything, though?
		No, you're not.
		Just sitting there hoping something happens.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That's a big trick with the whole secret thing, right?
		You know, the will it thing.
		So I'm opposed to any sort of superstitious understanding of how the universe will bury, will bring gifts to your door.
		Okay.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		However, if you think about what you want every day and you write it down, it is way more likely to happen.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		So it's not that you're actually making moves, right?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		You're actually doing things to make it happen.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Not the force.
		You're not moving the remote with the force.
		It's like you decided that you wanted to move the remote control.
		And so you got your ass off the couch and you moved it.
		Like that's what's going to happen if you start thinking about what your goals are and what you want.
		You're going to start doing the small things that lead to the big outcomes.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		It's like in the Bible, it says God helps those who help themselves, right?
		And that's exactly what that means.
		You have to help yourself.
		Otherwise, nothing's going to happen, right?
		It's not going to work by itself.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		There are like a million parables with this in every different culture, every different religion has something where, you know, a man is like starving to death and he asks for his divinity to give him food.
		And then, you know, a fisherman comes along, tries to teach him how to fish.
		He's like, no, no, I'm going to pray to God, you know, and God's going to, you know, he's hoping God will just drop a fish in his lap.
		Doesn't happen, right?
		And another man comes along and says, I can teach you how to farm.
		He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm going to do that.
		Eventually just fucking dies.
		Just starves to death.
		It's like, well, and then he goes to heaven or, you know, he goes and confronts God or whatever, right?
		And he's like, why didn't you help me?
		I prayed to you.
		I was really pious.
		I believed in you.
		It's like, who do you think those three people I set are?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		The opportunities that you refuse to take.
		That's what, you know, that's what defines you.
		I think my whole life has been completely defined by the opportunities that I chose to take.
		There are some I missed, maybe on purpose even, because I had to wait certain things, right?
		But my life wouldn't be where it is if I did not take chances.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of, what are your goals over the next couple of years?
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I would like to do a YouTube channel.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've done one before and it was moderately successful, you know, so I could certainly do it again.
		I don't see why not.
		And now, you know, I'm, I got, I won't say more free time necessarily, but my head is in a much better space.
		You know, I moved into my new house, right?
		It looks fantastic.
		And I want to do more work on it, you know, speak more.
		I want to do more talking.
		And I think it's not because I want to be more relevant.
		It's just I have a lot to say.
		You know, I have a lot to say.
		And, you know, people want to hear from me.
		So why not?
		You know?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's great.
		I'll certainly be continuing to follow you.
		And I really appreciate you taking the time to do this with me.
		I know that I'm a stranger and you are a stranger to this, but yeah, I appreciate it, man.
		It was really, really fun talking to you.
		I really enjoyed this conversation.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, likewise.
		It was fun.
		I mean, let's do this again.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's do it again.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And if you ever, if you ever decide you're going to start your own podcast, think of me and I'd be happy to come on.
ian miles cheong ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for sure.
unidentified		We choose to go to the moon and this decade and do the other thing.
		Not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
		Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall, a faith which will live in infamy.
		I still have a dream.

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