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Spreading Evil Rhetoric
00:02:24
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| It's Mr. Benjamin. | |
| Right, well it's good to see you again. | |
| I've got to speak to you this time. | |
| I've been in trouble. | |
| On the appalling way that you are normalising troublesome dialogue. | |
| That's true. | |
| It is. | |
| I am normalising troublesome dialogue. | |
| And it is spreading. | |
| Really? | |
| It is spreading the evil rhetorical techniques you use of logic, reason, and evidence are spreading. | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| I'll try and stop that if that's me. | |
| If that's hurting some feelings. | |
| It is grossly irresponsible of you. | |
| I saw yesterday a grown woman brought to a state of emotional trauma as Victoria Derbyshire attempted to use logic against you. | |
| And it was like watching a child playing with a loaded gun. | |
| I wasn't mad. | |
| I felt really sorry for them. | |
| A lot of people did get hurt. | |
| I looked on the Twitter feed afterwards and it was 99% appalled, traumatized. | |
| And there were questions of why is this man not locked up already? | |
| Well, if they get their way, I will be. | |
| So there is that. | |
| But yeah, I think that what I wanted to say in the interview with Victoria that I didn't get to do because it was a bit hardball, I suppose I'd describe it as. | |
| I wouldn't say hardball. | |
| It was as sympathetic as any Maoist show trial. | |
| That's such a great way of describing it. | |
| But no, I actually quite enjoyed the interview. | |
| But I found it very interesting when she said, you know, you're normalizing these horrible things. | |
| And it's like, well, they are normal. | |
| They happen to regular people every day. | |
| They're tragedies that will happen to every single person. | |
| There's no getting away from it. | |
| And there's no point trying to pretend that it won't. | |
| And the easiest way to deal with it is to make it not scary. | |
| And one of the quickest ways to make something not scary is to mock it. | |
| That's the purpose of humour. | |
| And that's the reason that totalitarian regimes go after comedians first. | |
| They go after free speech first. | |
| Because if you can take the power away from them and make something not sacred by laughing at it, then it suddenly loses its grip over you. | |
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Tough Conversations Needed
00:05:58
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| You lose the mental hold that it has over you. | |
| And I really do believe this, with a sincere conviction, that we have to be able to talk about uncomfortable things. | |
| And of course, that makes some people protest because they don't like that. | |
| I think what you're misunderstanding is the depth and breadth of the feeling opposed to your way of view. | |
| And there's an excellent example from history for how you should take it. | |
| Are you familiar with Alan Turing? | |
| I am, yes. | |
| So Alan Turing was of a disposition that was felt to be incompatible with the morality of his times. | |
| And he took an action which removed that cause of stress from society. | |
| And I brought you an apple with me today. | |
| Did he not commit suicide? | |
| That's right. | |
| Yes, I am. | |
| remove the problem that's that's and given that you are such a tiny minority as judged by twitter should i should i also follow his example well Well, wouldn't it be the fair and decent thing to do to spare the world suffering? | |
| But this is the thing. | |
| Well, no, no, but this. | |
| I like the way you've framed this. | |
| It's very genteel. | |
| This is exactly what they want to have us do, is just say, look, we'll pretend the problems don't exist. | |
| We don't have to pretend. | |
| They know the problem exists. | |
| And the problem is gobby bastards like you, who I think I should say are suffering from moral chuettes, you cannot resist speaking the truth. | |
| And that's bloody offensive. | |
| Where do I go with that? | |
| Honestly, it's a very simple way you go with that. | |
| Branch Davidian trust, and there have been plenty of examples of mass cult suicides. | |
| All you have to do is arrange for your followers to get together and remove the distress of our existence from the life of normies. | |
| Well, I agree, but the problem is that the problems themselves are going to keep creating people like us because we are all an example of. | |
| Modern genetic counseling can fix that. | |
| Well, I imagine eventually they will make it so we're effectively in Fahrenheit 451, was it? | |
| Wait, Brave New World. | |
| Sorry, yeah, Brave New World. | |
| Bokanovsky is on this way. | |
| So we won't have that problem. | |
| But at the moment, we are all a consequence of the failures of the system to fail to actually address through dialogue and reasonable compromise the problems that we actually do face. | |
| And instead of talking to us, because I'm sure that you're all fine people, I'm sure that you're not hateful people. | |
| I'm sure that you are not people who want to do damage to the world. | |
| But things are being done that have to be discussed. | |
| And calling people racists or fascists is not the answer. | |
| It just isn't. | |
| And I'm sorry that I'm not giving you a more eloquent response to your wonderful framing here because it really was. | |
| I mean, you must have worked on this. | |
| But I do believe that it is a moral wrong to try and shut down these debates and shut down these conversations. | |
| I think we have an obligation, a duty to have the tough conversations. | |
| And it's really to the embarrassment of the media that I can turn up and, like, I don't know, what, like 30 people, 40 people turn up on a Friday afternoon, a cold Friday afternoon in Weymouth to talk about literally the problems we can't discuss in public on the media. | |
| You know, and I realize that a lot of this is offensive or something like that. | |
| Even then, I don't actually find anything that we're talking about particularly offensive. | |
| But it is their failing that we have to come together like this to do this. | |
| They have a responsibility to represent your issues in the public dialogue. | |
| And they can't just refuse on the grounds that they find you to be morally impure. | |
| You know, not everyone had meat and education. | |
| Not everyone is ready for the dinner party atmosphere of Westminster. | |
| Politics is grimy and grubby and should be done in the streets like this. | |
| They're sat in their ivory towers where they're not the constant. | |
| They never have to suffer the consequences of their own policies. | |
| They are very well insulated. | |
| They've got guards, they've got money, they've got very, very lavish surroundings. | |
| It's not their problem. | |
| And you can see that the absolute... | |
| To be fair, they do have to suffer the problem as well. | |
| But Anna Subi can get people who call her a Nazi locked up. | |
| I was about to go on to James Goddard. | |
| Yeah, how long did he spend in jail? | |
| I think it was only a month. | |
| It was only a month, right? | |
| Okay, well, there we go. | |
| But to be fair, they weren't as sympathetic as the leftists really want to be. | |
| They want you to take... | |
| I read a travel book that was written just for you. | |
| Oh, really? | |
| Yeah. | |
| By old Alexander Solchenitsyn. | |
| It's an archipelago where you would really fit in. | |
| I can't believe I'm not already there. | |
| Their trust pilot reviews are exemplary. | |
| Very, very few people ever came back and spoke out against it. | |
| Yeah, no complaints. | |
| But James Goddard is a great example of this, actually. | |
| As soon as the sort of working class decided, right, they were going to get involved because people like Anna Subry were actively trying to undermine the result of the referendum. | |
| And still, they're trying to just reverse this. | |
| When he goes down and starts calling her a Nazi and saying, well, I have a problem with what you're doing. | |
| Oh, my God. | |
| The plebs are revolting. | |
| This has got to be stopped. | |
| So a month in jail and he was banned from going inside the M25. | |
| He can't even go to parliament now. | |
| He can't go and protest. | |
| He has been denied his democratic rights because a politician didn't like the way he was protesting her. | |
| Well, I'm sorry. | |
| He didn't do anything illegal. | |
| He just yelled that she was a Nazi. | |
| I mean, my goodness, I bet everyone here got a penny for every time they've been called a Nazi because they want to have a conversation that the establishment don't particularly want to have. | |
| We'd all be very wealthy people, but it happens one time to one Remain MP, and that's it. | |
| Jail and banned. | |
| It's unacceptable. | |
| It's totally unacceptable. | |
| He'll have to go to Kekistan. | |
| He absolutely will. | |
| Hopefully, we don't get sent to the gulags instead. | |
| Thank you, man. | |