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May 21, 2019 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
09:31
Debating a Feminist in #Totnes
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Why can't we talk?
Because I'm a stupid fucking feminist.
Well, I don't agree that you're stupid.
I don't agree that you're stupid.
That's a quote from you to Lacey Green, right?
Right, okay.
Right, if you can hold it up around the top here, because the receiver bit is at the bottom.
The receiver bits at the bottom, and make sure that's facing your face.
One, two.
Yep.
Why are you a feminist just out of interest?
Because I don't think that men have the right to own women.
Yeah, but they don't own women.
In what way don't women have self-determination?
I believe in equality between the sexes.
Are they equal then?
I believe that the patriarchy is extremely detrimental to both men and women.
How do you prove patriarchy?
And I think that.
You see, this is why I don't want to debate you, because every word I say, you've got a little come back thing.
Yeah, but everything you're saying is very loaded.
You've got your training against me.
I can't afford fucking debate lessons.
Why have you had debate lessons?
Oh, come on.
Or at least a lot of practice.
I just teach.
Yes, but she's making very loaded statements.
Yes, excuse me.
Excuse me.
Come on.
I'm making loaded statements.
Yes, you are.
Okay.
Yes, I can.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
Come on now.
That's rude.
Yes, but you're being very rude.
And I don't appreciate that.
I'm not attacking anyone.
I'm calling you rude.
Because you're being rude.
Sorry, carry on.
Okay, so this is from a video.
Sure.
I stand by.
Okay.
Excuse me.
We're not talking to you at the moment.
I'm sorry.
We can talk afterwards if you'd like.
You have argued that feminism was responsible for the rise in the numbers of men carrying out mass murders.
Yes.
Because the killers felt disenfranchised and out of options.
So your point being it's feminism's fault.
It's women's fault that men are murdering them.
Well, no, hang on a second.
Hang on a second.
Hang on a second.
Right, let's discuss this because it's important, right?
Okay, no, I'm not sure.
Hang on.
I'm just reading the quotes that you made first.
Oh, sorry, okay.
Well, can we not talk about one at a time?
Because I get the feeling it's different subjects.
It's very much the same subject.
Excuse me.
This is what feminism has wrought.
A generation of men who do not know what to do, who are being demonized for what they are, says Benjamin.
Can we applaud that?
Because I think that's correct.
Yeah, see, we've got ladies in the crowd here who absolutely agree.
Feminism is a way of oppressing men by women who are angry at men.
I would argue that it's patriarchy is oppressing both men and women.
But you can't prove that exists.
Okay, so how long ago was marital rape criminalized?
It was in the 90s, wasn't it?
In the 1990s, yeah.
What about bestiality?
How long ago was that criminalised?
Sorry?
Bestiality.
When was that criminalised?
I actually don't look into that kind of thing day to day.
It was actually fairly recently because it generally doesn't happen very often.
And if something isn't really happening very often...
It doesn't happen very often.
No.
No.
Marital rape historically doesn't happen very often.
Okay, wow.
Well, okay, okay.
I don't have facts and figures lined up in my pocket.
I'm sorry?
I don't have facts and figures lined up in my pocket.
I was not intending to speak, but I just can't.
Okay, so.
Well, can I talk about the.
You are responsible for perpetuating it.
It here being the mass murder of women.
By disenfranchising these poor fucking guys who don't have any options left.
Don't you feel that you have a responsibility then?
I have a responsibility to sleep with men that desire me so they don't feel angry.
I didn't say that.
That's kind of what I'm saying.
Maybe not hate men for a second.
Maybe not hating men.
I really don't hate men.
Yeah, but you seem to.
I hate men that feel they have a right to influence my space and tell me what I should be.
But who's that?
It's happened, believe me.
Well, who?
Who's doing that?
Like, I think women have self-determination in this country.
I think they can do what they want.
Yeah, in this country, it's not too bad.
And a lot of people.
I'll admit it's not too bad.
So where's the patriarchy?
Where are the issues?
Which ones?
Tell me about the issues.
Sorry.
I can't.
Patriarchy in the Middle East.
Yeah, I mean, that's pretty bad.
That is like, yeah, it's worse.
I'm not arguing that this is worse.
So how is it that women in this country don't have self-determination?
I'm really curious about that.
I think they do.
I think, like, the ladies around are just like, what are you talking about?
Do what I want.
And that's as it should be.
Yeah, exactly.
I wish my wife had stopped telling me what to bloody do.
You know what I mean?
I'm looking for self-determination for me, married men.
I'm just kidding.
The question you and all of your stupid fucking feminist cultists need to be asking is, why are these men, this is a quote from him.
Yeah, it's fine.
Carry on.
The question you and all of your stupid fucking feminist cultists need to be asking is, why are these men becoming misogynists in the first place?
Yes.
What is this feminist-run society?
Feminist-run society.
We have feminists in our government.
That is causing them to go insane.
We have feminists in our government.
Do you not realize this?
Are there any MRAs in our government?
I can name you a slew of feminists who are a sisterhood, according to Jess Phillips, a feminist in our government.
I can't.
I mean, maybe Philip Davies, is he an MRA?
He probably is.
He's one, one guy, compared to dozens of feminists.
I mean, do you not think that there is an influence of feminism on our society?
Is it not?
Not at all.
It's in every university.
It's not enough.
Every university has a feminist society.
Do they have men's rights societies?
I've looked at rape statistics in universities.
Yes, they're very low.
They're getting raped.
They're very low.
Women.
They're very low.
They're lower than the surrounding cities in which they're found.
It's safer on a university campus for a woman than anywhere else.
I think it fucking should be.
There shouldn't be anything.
Then what are you complaining about?
What am I complaining about?
If it says it should be.
I'm complaining about being called a stupid fucking cultist feminist.
But you don't seem to be able to prove patriarchy.
Yeah, but you seem to be.
I can't prove patriarchy.
I can't, like, thin air.
Can I go, look, here's the patriarchy?
I can say that as a woman, I have felt unsafe.
I have felt oppressed for femininity.
For my masculinity.
Really?
Yes.
By your support.
And would you say that my support is not my supporters?
I'm just a person.
No, you're a feminist.
People on a similar angle to me, maybe.
But am I not allowed to feel this way?
Is that all that?
Are you not allowed to feel oppressed?
I would argue that you're being oppressed by the patriarchy.
You're being oppressed by the ideals that...
I think I'm being oppressed by feminists.
Yes, exactly.
Look at the Middle East.
They're bloody strong patriarchies over there.
Are you saying that they're strong, like, in a good way?
No, I'm thinking they're just strong.
They're very powerful patriarchies.
I mean, every woman in Saudi Arabia is head to toe.
That's powerful.
I don't like it.
I think that's terrible.
I think women should have self-determination.
I think you should have the right to vote, live what you want, marry who you like, do what you want.
And you do.
You stop be respected if you look sexy.
No, not at all.
That's like the kind of shit I'm talking about.
No, hang on, hang on, hang on.
I don't think that women who dress in a particularly revealing way are very well respected.
I think they're generally quite disrespected.
Like these ladies here are very respectable and they're not dressed.
You think that's better?
What do you mean?
If somebody dresses revealingly, they're suddenly less worthy of respect.
I think that other women disrespect them.
Really?
Yes.
I would call that ingrained misogyny.
Yeah, I know you would because you're a feminist cultist.
I think other women have a right to have an opinion on these things.
This is the proudest day of my life, honestly.
I've never been called a feminist cultist before.
He said I was cackling earlier.
You were.
You were.
You literally were.
But the thing is, I really am curious about this because it seems that you deny the idea of female power.
And I think that's really dangerous.
Because I think women are very powerful.
And I think they need to check their privileges sometimes.
And I think you're an example of that.
You don't.
We're currently run by.
Theresa May is the current Prime Minister of Britain.
Nicholas Sturgeon is the current First Minister of Scotland.
And the head of the Welsh Assembly is also a woman, but I can't remember what her name is off the top of my head.
And then Angela Merkel, people like this.
All childless women.
The world is being run by childless women.
And is it going well?
Do you think it's going well under the patriarchy?
Run by women.
I would deeply argue that it is run by women.
I think that's a massive overstatement.
I think the government is something like.
Is it even approaching a third of women in government?
It's over a third.
It's over a third.
The women are actually in charge.
So the women are telling the men what to do.
Is it going well?
So you're saying that women should be at what you're saying.
The men should be in charge and it would be going better.
I don't think so.
There are lots of male politicians who are terrible.
I don't think either gender has a monopoly on bad politicians.
But I also think that just because someone's a woman doesn't mean they're going to be a good politician.
Theresa May, example A, right?
Well, yeah, I would deeply agree with that statement.
Same here.
I don't think that being a woman makes you automatically good at anything.
I also don't think being a man makes you automatically good at anything.
I totally agree.
I think you're completely correct.
They're great at looking after babies.
You heard it from him.
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