Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin - Debating a Feminist in #Totnes
Aired: 2019-05-21
Duration: 09:31


=== Why I'm a Feminist (08:11) ===

[00:00:00]  Why can't we talk?
[00:00:04]  Because I'm a stupid fucking feminist.
[00:00:06]  Well, I don't agree that you're stupid.
[00:00:08]  I don't agree that you're stupid.
[00:00:10]  That's a quote from you to Lacey Green, right?
[00:00:15]  Right, okay.
[00:00:17]  Right, if you can hold it up around the top here, because the receiver bit is at the bottom.
[00:00:22]  The receiver bits at the bottom, and make sure that's facing your face.
[00:00:27]  One, two.
[00:00:28]  Yep.
[00:00:29]  Why are you a feminist just out of interest?
[00:00:32]  Because I don't think that men have the right to own women.
[00:00:36]  Yeah, but they don't own women.
[00:00:37]  In what way don't women have self-determination?
[00:00:40]  I believe in equality between the sexes.
[00:00:43]  Are they equal then?
[00:00:44]  I believe that the patriarchy is extremely detrimental to both men and women.
[00:00:49]  How do you prove patriarchy?
[00:00:50]  And I think that.
[00:00:53]  You see, this is why I don't want to debate you, because every word I say, you've got a little come back thing.
[00:00:59]  Yeah, but everything you're saying is very loaded.
[00:01:00]  You've got your training against me.
[00:01:02]  I can't afford fucking debate lessons.
[00:01:04]  Why have you had debate lessons?
[00:01:05]  Oh, come on.
[00:01:05]  Or at least a lot of practice.
[00:01:07]  I just teach.
[00:01:08]  Yes, but she's making very loaded statements.
[00:01:10]  Yes, excuse me.
[00:01:11]  Excuse me.
[00:01:12]  Come on.
[00:01:12]  I'm making loaded statements.
[00:01:13]  Yes, you are.
[00:01:14]  Okay.
[00:01:15]  Yes, I can.
[00:01:16]  Excuse me.
[00:01:16]  Excuse me.
[00:01:17]  Come on now.
[00:01:18]  That's rude.
[00:01:19]  Yes, but you're being very rude.
[00:01:20]  And I don't appreciate that.
[00:01:22]  I'm not attacking anyone.
[00:01:23]  I'm calling you rude.
[00:01:24]  Because you're being rude.
[00:01:26]  Sorry, carry on.
[00:01:29]  Okay, so this is from a video.
[00:01:31]  Sure.
[00:01:31]  I stand by.
[00:01:33]  Okay.
[00:01:34]  Excuse me.
[00:01:35]  We're not talking to you at the moment.
[00:01:37]  I'm sorry.
[00:01:38]  We can talk afterwards if you'd like.
[00:01:40]  You have argued that feminism was responsible for the rise in the numbers of men carrying out mass murders.
[00:01:46]  Yes.
[00:01:47]  Because the killers felt disenfranchised and out of options.
[00:01:50]  So your point being it's feminism's fault.
[00:01:53]  It's women's fault that men are murdering them.
[00:01:55]  Well, no, hang on a second.
[00:01:56]  Hang on a second.
[00:01:57]  Hang on a second.
[00:01:57]  Right, let's discuss this because it's important, right?
[00:01:59]  Okay, no, I'm not sure.
[00:02:00]  Hang on.
[00:02:00]  I'm just reading the quotes that you made first.
[00:02:02]  Oh, sorry, okay.
[00:02:04]  Well, can we not talk about one at a time?
[00:02:06]  Because I get the feeling it's different subjects.
[00:02:08]  It's very much the same subject.
[00:02:09]  Excuse me.
[00:02:10]  This is what feminism has wrought.
[00:02:12]  A generation of men who do not know what to do, who are being demonized for what they are, says Benjamin.
[00:02:18]  Can we applaud that?
[00:02:19]  Because I think that's correct.
[00:02:20]  Yeah, see, we've got ladies in the crowd here who absolutely agree.
[00:02:24]  Feminism is a way of oppressing men by women who are angry at men.
[00:02:27]  I would argue that it's patriarchy is oppressing both men and women.
[00:02:32]  But you can't prove that exists.
[00:02:35]  Okay, so how long ago was marital rape criminalized?
[00:02:40]  It was in the 90s, wasn't it?
[00:02:41]  In the 1990s, yeah.
[00:02:43]  What about bestiality?
[00:02:44]  How long ago was that criminalised?
[00:02:46]  Sorry?
[00:02:46]  Bestiality.
[00:02:47]  When was that criminalised?
[00:02:49]  I actually don't look into that kind of thing day to day.
[00:02:52]  It was actually fairly recently because it generally doesn't happen very often.
[00:02:56]  And if something isn't really happening very often...
[00:02:57]  It doesn't happen very often.
[00:02:59]  No.
[00:02:59]  No.
[00:02:59]  Marital rape historically doesn't happen very often.
[00:03:03]  Okay, wow.
[00:03:03]  Well, okay, okay.
[00:03:05]  I don't have facts and figures lined up in my pocket.
[00:03:08]  I'm sorry?
[00:03:08]  I don't have facts and figures lined up in my pocket.
[00:03:10]  I was not intending to speak, but I just can't.
[00:03:13]  Okay, so.
[00:03:14]  Well, can I talk about the.
[00:03:15]  You are responsible for perpetuating it.
[00:03:17]  It here being the mass murder of women.
[00:03:21]  By disenfranchising these poor fucking guys who don't have any options left.
[00:03:25]  Don't you feel that you have a responsibility then?
[00:03:27]  I have a responsibility to sleep with men that desire me so they don't feel angry.
[00:03:31]  I didn't say that.
[00:03:32]  That's kind of what I'm saying.
[00:03:33]  Maybe not hate men for a second.
[00:03:35]  Maybe not hating men.
[00:03:36]  I really don't hate men.
[00:03:37]  Yeah, but you seem to.
[00:03:38]  I hate men that feel they have a right to influence my space and tell me what I should be.
[00:03:46]  But who's that?
[00:03:47]  It's happened, believe me.
[00:03:49]  Well, who?
[00:03:49]  Who's doing that?
[00:03:51]  Like, I think women have self-determination in this country.
[00:03:53]  I think they can do what they want.
[00:03:54]  Yeah, in this country, it's not too bad.
[00:03:56]  And a lot of people.
[00:03:56]  I'll admit it's not too bad.
[00:03:58]  So where's the patriarchy?
[00:03:59]  Where are the issues?
[00:04:00]  Which ones?
[00:04:01]  Tell me about the issues.
[00:04:04]  Sorry.
[00:04:07]  I can't.
[00:04:08]  Patriarchy in the Middle East.
[00:04:09]  Yeah, I mean, that's pretty bad.
[00:04:11]  That is like, yeah, it's worse.
[00:04:13]  I'm not arguing that this is worse.
[00:04:16]  So how is it that women in this country don't have self-determination?
[00:04:21]  I'm really curious about that.
[00:04:22]  I think they do.
[00:04:22]  I think, like, the ladies around are just like, what are you talking about?
[00:04:25]  Do what I want.
[00:04:25]  And that's as it should be.
[00:04:29]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:30]  I wish my wife had stopped telling me what to bloody do.
[00:04:32]  You know what I mean?
[00:04:33]  I'm looking for self-determination for me, married men.
[00:04:37]  I'm just kidding.
[00:04:38]  The question you and all of your stupid fucking feminist cultists need to be asking is, why are these men, this is a quote from him.
[00:04:46]  Yeah, it's fine.
[00:04:47]  Carry on.
[00:04:49]  The question you and all of your stupid fucking feminist cultists need to be asking is, why are these men becoming misogynists in the first place?
[00:04:58]  Yes.
[00:04:58]  What is this feminist-run society?
[00:05:00]  Feminist-run society.
[00:05:01]  We have feminists in our government.
[00:05:03]  That is causing them to go insane.
[00:05:05]  We have feminists in our government.
[00:05:06]  Do you not realize this?
[00:05:08]  Are there any MRAs in our government?
[00:05:11]  I can name you a slew of feminists who are a sisterhood, according to Jess Phillips, a feminist in our government.
[00:05:17]  I can't.
[00:05:17]  I mean, maybe Philip Davies, is he an MRA?
[00:05:19]  He probably is.
[00:05:20]  He's one, one guy, compared to dozens of feminists.
[00:05:23]  I mean, do you not think that there is an influence of feminism on our society?
[00:05:30]  Is it not?
[00:05:31]  Not at all.
[00:05:32]  It's in every university.
[00:05:33]  It's not enough.
[00:05:34]  Every university has a feminist society.
[00:05:36]  Do they have men's rights societies?
[00:05:37]  I've looked at rape statistics in universities.
[00:05:39]  Yes, they're very low.
[00:05:40]  They're getting raped.
[00:05:41]  They're very low.
[00:05:41]  Women.
[00:05:42]  They're very low.
[00:05:43]  They're lower than the surrounding cities in which they're found.
[00:05:46]  It's safer on a university campus for a woman than anywhere else.
[00:05:48]  I think it fucking should be.
[00:05:49]  There shouldn't be anything.
[00:05:50]  Then what are you complaining about?
[00:05:51]  What am I complaining about?
[00:05:53]  If it says it should be.
[00:05:54]  I'm complaining about being called a stupid fucking cultist feminist.
[00:05:58]  But you don't seem to be able to prove patriarchy.
[00:06:01]  Yeah, but you seem to be.
[00:06:02]  I can't prove patriarchy.
[00:06:04]  I can't, like, thin air.
[00:06:06]  Can I go, look, here's the patriarchy?
[00:06:08]  I can say that as a woman, I have felt unsafe.
[00:06:11]  I have felt oppressed for femininity.
[00:06:15]  For my masculinity.
[00:06:16]  Really?
[00:06:16]  Yes.
[00:06:20]  By your support.
[00:06:22]  And would you say that my support is not my supporters?
[00:06:25]  I'm just a person.
[00:06:27]  No, you're a feminist.
[00:06:29]  People on a similar angle to me, maybe.
[00:06:31]  But am I not allowed to feel this way?
[00:06:33]  Is that all that?
[00:06:33]  Are you not allowed to feel oppressed?
[00:06:34]  I would argue that you're being oppressed by the patriarchy.
[00:06:37]  You're being oppressed by the ideals that...
[00:06:39]  I think I'm being oppressed by feminists.
[00:06:42]  Yes, exactly.
[00:06:43]  Look at the Middle East.
[00:06:44]  They're bloody strong patriarchies over there.
[00:06:47]  Are you saying that they're strong, like, in a good way?
[00:06:51]  No, I'm thinking they're just strong.
[00:06:52]  They're very powerful patriarchies.
[00:06:54]  I mean, every woman in Saudi Arabia is head to toe.
[00:06:57]  That's powerful.
[00:06:58]  I don't like it.
[00:06:58]  I think that's terrible.
[00:07:00]  I think women should have self-determination.
[00:07:01]  I think you should have the right to vote, live what you want, marry who you like, do what you want.
[00:07:04]  And you do.
[00:07:06]  You stop be respected if you look sexy.
[00:07:08]  No, not at all.
[00:07:10]  That's like the kind of shit I'm talking about.
[00:07:12]  No, hang on, hang on, hang on.
[00:07:14]  I don't think that women who dress in a particularly revealing way are very well respected.
[00:07:18]  I think they're generally quite disrespected.
[00:07:20]  Like these ladies here are very respectable and they're not dressed.
[00:07:23]  You think that's better?
[00:07:24]  What do you mean?
[00:07:25]  If somebody dresses revealingly, they're suddenly less worthy of respect.
[00:07:29]  I think that other women disrespect them.
[00:07:31]  Really?
[00:07:32]  Yes.
[00:07:32]  I would call that ingrained misogyny.
[00:07:34]  Yeah, I know you would because you're a feminist cultist.
[00:07:37]  I think other women have a right to have an opinion on these things.
[00:07:39]  This is the proudest day of my life, honestly.
[00:07:42]  I've never been called a feminist cultist before.
[00:07:44]  He said I was cackling earlier.
[00:07:46]  You were.
[00:07:47]  You were.
[00:07:48]  You literally were.
[00:07:49]  But the thing is, I really am curious about this because it seems that you deny the idea of female power.
[00:07:55]  And I think that's really dangerous.
[00:07:56]  Because I think women are very powerful.

=== Run By Women? (01:33) ===

[00:07:58]  And I think they need to check their privileges sometimes.
[00:08:01]  And I think you're an example of that.
[00:08:07]  You don't.
[00:08:08]  We're currently run by.
[00:08:10]  Theresa May is the current Prime Minister of Britain.
[00:08:12]  Nicholas Sturgeon is the current First Minister of Scotland.
[00:08:16]  And the head of the Welsh Assembly is also a woman, but I can't remember what her name is off the top of my head.
[00:08:20]  And then Angela Merkel, people like this.
[00:08:22]  All childless women.
[00:08:23]  The world is being run by childless women.
[00:08:25]  And is it going well?
[00:08:27]  Do you think it's going well under the patriarchy?
[00:08:30]  Run by women.
[00:08:31]  I would deeply argue that it is run by women.
[00:08:34]  I think that's a massive overstatement.
[00:08:37]  I think the government is something like.
[00:08:40]  Is it even approaching a third of women in government?
[00:08:42]  It's over a third.
[00:08:43]  It's over a third.
[00:08:44]  The women are actually in charge.
[00:08:45]  So the women are telling the men what to do.
[00:08:47]  Is it going well?
[00:08:52]  So you're saying that women should be at what you're saying.
[00:08:59]  The men should be in charge and it would be going better.
[00:09:01]  I don't think so.
[00:09:02]  There are lots of male politicians who are terrible.
[00:09:05]  I don't think either gender has a monopoly on bad politicians.
[00:09:08]  But I also think that just because someone's a woman doesn't mean they're going to be a good politician.
[00:09:13]  Theresa May, example A, right?
[00:09:15]  Well, yeah, I would deeply agree with that statement.
[00:09:18]  Same here.
[00:09:19]  I don't think that being a woman makes you automatically good at anything.
[00:09:23]  I also don't think being a man makes you automatically good at anything.
[00:09:26]  I totally agree.
[00:09:27]  I think you're completely correct.
[00:09:28]  They're great at looking after babies.
[00:09:30]  You heard it from him.