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Why Raise South African Culture?
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| Right. | |
| So, the people chanting, can we talk to you? | |
| We'd like to know why you think we're racist. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | |
| It's because you, because you, hi. | |
| How's it going? | |
| Would you like a right? | |
| So you have to hold it fairly close to your mouth. | |
| Alright, thank you. | |
| Right, what's your name, please? | |
| My name's Claire. | |
| Claire, can I show you how? | |
| Thank you very much. | |
| I have almost a British accent after being here for 13 years. | |
| And are you from South Africa? | |
| I should be applauded. | |
| I'm from South Africa, yes. | |
| Yes, I can tell by the accent. | |
| Great. | |
| Okay, would you like to talk to us about hate speech? | |
| Hate speech? | |
| Well, where I come from in our country, we have freedom of speech, but we respect that you can't harm or bully anybody by what you're saying. | |
| It's quite shocking to come here and realise that you've used freedom of speech as a way to put other people down. | |
| I don't. | |
| Well, would you rather me put them down in a different way? | |
| Well. | |
| Do you think that some people don't deserve to be held to account for the way they act? | |
| It's not about being held to account. | |
| It's about being judged for where you come from or your contribution to the country that you're currently in. | |
| Why is that unfair? | |
| Because we're all just people. | |
| Why are we trying to make sure that we're protecting ourselves from these people coming in? | |
| Aren't you erasing their cultural distinctions when you say that? | |
| There shouldn't be cultural distinctions. | |
| That's what you're trying to do. | |
| Why? | |
| Because it doesn't work. | |
| It doesn't work. | |
| You will get people coming up against each other. | |
| You're creating hatred. | |
| No. | |
| You're creating division. | |
| No. | |
| And nothing good comes out of that. | |
| I think that people have a right to exist as they are. | |
| I don't think that you've got any right to try and raise their cultures. | |
| Why are you saying you're trying to raise my culture as a South African? | |
| No, I think that you are trying to erase our culture. | |
| When you say raise, are you saying I'm trying to destroy it? | |
| E-raise. | |
| I mean, you came here and said that there's no difference between people and we shouldn't have any cultural boundaries. | |
| I think that's awful. | |
| I think that's tyrannical and imperialist. | |
| Well, my grandfather dropped me off in South Africa. | |
| That's why I'm here. | |
| My grandfather was British. | |
| So I've managed after 13 years to get the visas, to get the passport. | |
| I don't call myself British. | |
| I'm just a person of this world. | |
| I ended up in South Africa. | |
| I ended up far away. | |
| I happen to have come to this country, but I don't think we should be hull-bent on trying to keep our borders and trying to keep ourselves insular. | |
| Oh, no, I don't agree we should be insular. | |
| I don't think we need to be, but if I went to another country, if I went to South America or something, I turned up there and I said, right, you've got to erase your borders. | |
| This culture is not allowed to be any different to any other culture. | |
| You wouldn't be able to get there if they didn't want you there in the first place. | |
| And that's what you're trying to say, is you're trying to stop people from freedom of movement. | |
| Freedom of choice and where they want to be. | |
| You have a door on the front of your house, right? | |
| Yes. | |
| So why can't I just go and live in your house? | |
| Because people own property. | |
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Part of British Society
00:05:56
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| People own things. | |
| This is not even a, that is a really silly analogy. | |
| No, it's not at all. | |
| Not at all. | |
| How embarrassing are you to bring up your own family? | |
| If we didn't have social services, if we didn't have the NHS, then maybe I'd be inclined to agree with you. | |
| But unfortunately, we are a society in this country. | |
| We have to, and I contribute as an immigrant. | |
| And no one's here. | |
| I am currently working in the NHS for six months on a placement for free. | |
| I get no money. | |
| And I'm not saying that I'm doing that because I'm part of British society. | |
| I'm saying I'm doing that because I'm a human being. | |
| What's wrong with being a human being as part of British society? | |
| Sorry? | |
| What's wrong with being a human being? | |
| Nothing, I love Britain. | |
| I love Britain and I love what we're doing. | |
| Why are you trying to erase society? | |
| I feel like by delaying to betray all these negative things that you're trying to put out there, why would you want to change this? | |
| Look at it. | |
| Look at what we've got. | |
| I would like it to exist as it is, but the European Union will not allow that to happen because it has all this time till now. | |
| This existed before the European Union. | |
| Fine. | |
| And while it's absolutely. | |
| The European Union is the threat to Britain at the moment. | |
| Do you understand that they actually have freedom of movement as part of the European Union's mandate? | |
| Yes, I'd love to work in France or something. | |
| Fantastic. | |
| Why do you? | |
| Because that will soon be taken away from me. | |
| We won't have the right to work in European countries. | |
| Well, maybe you can ask them and they'll say yes. | |
| Not after we've left, not after we've left. | |
| Why? | |
| Because we're not allowing them to come here. | |
| Why would someone give that up? | |
| London is the second largest French city. | |
| They will still be able to come here. | |
| If they have a certain level of education and a certain criteria of employment. | |
| It really depends. | |
| I mean, we can set whatever rules for people coming in we like. | |
| Absolutely, and so can they. | |
| But right now we belong to a system where everybody sets the rules together. | |
| Surely. | |
| That's because we're betraying ourselves by not leaving. | |
| I just find your word betrayal, even the word sounds negative, doesn't it? | |
| Well, it is negative, that's why. | |
| Life isn't all sunshine and roses. | |
| It is. | |
| No, it's not. | |
| You can choose that, or you can choose to be. | |
| There are thousands of young girls being raped in the north. | |
| Don't bring gangs. | |
| No, you don't want to talk about it because it's happening. | |
| It's real. | |
| It's happening. | |
| Life is not all sunshine and roses. | |
| You have to understand that. | |
| This kind of idealistic nonsense won't last. | |
| And trust me, what comes after me will be way worse. | |
| Okay, so what people do when they want to make sure that they can get a shock factor is they come up with something so horrible and nasty. | |
| Something that's happening. | |
| That's potentially happening. | |
| And they use that as a problem. | |
| 40 people have been arrested in the last two months. | |
| And they use fine, fine. | |
| But they use that as propaganda to make sure that they are following. | |
| What's happening is propaganda. | |
| Yeah, but that has got, why? | |
| How has that got anything to do with Brexit? | |
| Do you believe that those people from India are part of Europe? | |
| I don't think they're from India. | |
| Or Pakistan. | |
| What do you mean? | |
| Do I think they're a part of it? | |
| They live in Britain. | |
| Okay, so who are the rapists that you're talking of? | |
| Are you saying they're British? | |
| Pakistani Muslims. | |
| Pakistani descent. | |
| Are these people part of Europe? | |
| Well, unfortunately, at the moment, yes. | |
| So how are you, by leaving Europe, what is that even, how can you make that association? | |
| I didn't say that they were the same thing. | |
| You're arguing against the idea of borders anyway. | |
| So why wouldn't we want to be able to control? | |
| You can control borders being part of Europe if you want to make borders between us and India a little bit tighter. | |
| Who do I vote for to do that? | |
| Well, quite frankly, this should be beyond politics because when you start bringing rape into it, that's not a political, that's not a political weapon that you should be using. | |
| Well, I'm sorry, it's something that's happening, and I'm not going to deny it. | |
| Well, it's you should join victim support or something. | |
| That's a totally different agenda. | |
| Or I could address people who would literally like to ignore them and sweep it under the rope because it's inconvenient for their vision of a perfect world. | |
| We're never going to achieve a perfect world, but we might give a good world. | |
| I just still think you've completely fallen on your face with that link between Europe and rape. | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| I didn't say Europe was responsible for it. | |
| Whatever it is that you're trying to link up with it, I just think that's what I'm saying. | |
| I'm trying to address your utopian worldview. | |
| You have a utopian worldview that will never work. | |
| You admit you have a utopian worldview. | |
| Yes. | |
| Okay, but that's silly. | |
| You know what? | |
| If in reality we can all be happier and live a life where we just do the right thing, that's all it is. | |
| It's a bit of a danger. | |
| That's what I'm advocating for. | |
| You think the right thing is to create hatred. | |
| I don't agree that I'm creating hatred. | |
| It's everywhere. | |
| It's in signage. | |
| It's in the way you're talking. | |
| It's in the way you're talking about them and us. | |
| You're basically trying to divide and conquer between the conquer. | |
| Yes. | |
| Like you said, Britain was part of this for thousands of years. | |
| You know, that conquering attitude. | |
| How is that a conqueror that's not afraid of the people who are not? | |
| I don't believe British people are like that. | |
| I know lots of British people that don't want to remain in that insular political world that you're not going to be able to do that. | |
| But they lost. | |
| Well, yes, they did. | |
| So they deal with it. | |
| Based on the information that they had at that time. | |
| So they can deal with it if we respect democracy at all. | |
| Yes, but it's democracy is quite a beautiful word. | |
| You don't want to turn that into hatred and start talking about race. | |
| I don't agree that what you think is hatred is hatred. | |
| Right. | |
| You just hate it. | |
| I think it's dealing with reality. | |
| And I think that your utopian worldview prevents you from dealing with reality. | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| It's the reality that you're creating that people don't even. | |
| Your reality in the future is going to be worse, though, than what it is now. | |
| Unless we take action now. | |
| No, we continue like we have been. | |
| Britain's a beautiful place. | |
| What you're trying to do is you're trying to cut off ties with imports, etc., which might in the end cost us more. | |
| That's not true. | |
| The living conditions of people here are going to suffer. | |
| That's okay. | |
| They accept the price. | |
| They accept the price. | |
| You are happy to pay more for your supermarket shop. | |
| There are more important things than money. | |
| There are more important things than money. | |
| But thank you very much. | |
| Thank you very much. | |