April 23, 2019 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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| Sweet. | |
| So, Ben, we've both met before a few times and, you know, my work with Liberalists UK and stuff, and we chose to go a separate way when it comes down to the UKIP thing. | |
| In my personal view, I agree with you on most things, most principles. | |
| The problem I have is that I want to know why you believe that joining UKIP was the best way to go, as opposed to challenging the positive forces for change that could be there in each party. | |
| I honestly don't think the other parties have got the moral fortitude to stand up to the problems that we have in this country. | |
| I think only UKIP have a kind of moral foundation that we can then use and build upon to actually go and challenge the real issues in this country. | |
| I think the Conservatives are weak, I think Labour are weak, I think the Liberal Democrats are weak, I think the Greens are weak. | |
| And most of these parties are the problem in and of themselves and are propagating the problems that we, the Liberalists, are trying to address. | |
| I think only UKIP had that kind of strength. | |
| But do you not think that joining UKIP makes it easy for you to be filed away by the media? | |
| I think that it's too late for the media. | |
| I think that they've fallen right into my trap and they can't stop talking about me. | |
| But the problem is there are people out there that aren't actually within the sort of YouTuber space where they understand all the arguments you're saying. | |
| So the lady you spoke to earlier, she doesn't understand the esoteric, dark humour approach of the things like 4chan and stuff. | |
| However, she was trying to. | |
| I shouted to a bit afterwards and she doesn't seem to understand initially how to empathise with the people that we're amongst right now. | |
| My concern is that the more you bed yourself in with a party that people don't find palatable, you make it less likely that people are going to listen to your ideas. | |
| So my thought was, why UKIP and why didn't you consider, say, contacting local councillors, like we had with the Dankular thing. | |
| There were plenty of MPs that actually said that they agreed that Dankula shouldn't have been prosecuted. | |
| Shouldn't we also spend our time talking to the positive forces for change within their own parties? | |
| If Corbyn can take over Labour from a Blair Rights and Miliband period, surely we should actually try and make things better across the board and improve the general status quo. | |
| I would think that that's too broad for the resources we have at hand. | |
| I think that we have quite a few resources, human resources at hand, but I think the more focused we are and the more narrowly we channel these, the more of an impact they'll have and the higher up will push these conversations and we'll also get the people who are in the other parties who oppose us to reveal themselves by their opposition. | |
| And so I think this has been effective as well. | |
| I mean you guys are all here, we're having these dialogues, we don't need their permission and we're not going to stop. | |
| So I think that's the most effective way. | |
| So if there are people that follow your principles, agree with you on most things, if they can't hold their nose and vote for UKIP, how would you advise them to actually support the principles that we uphold? | |
| I think that their conception of UKIP is actually misinformed by the media. | |
| I've been in UKIP for what, six months now, eight months, something like that. | |
| And I have not met a racist, I have not met a bigot or an anti-Semite. | |
| I've met some people who are afraid of Islam and I think they have legitimate reasons to be afraid of Islam. | |
| But honestly, they just seem like a sort of traditional British Liberal party. | |
| I think that everyone should just take the time to go down to one of their meetings, go down to a local branch meeting and just see what they're about. | |
| Ask them, talk to them, you know? | |
| But the average British person isn't necessarily in touch with politics. | |
| I agree. | |
| So the issue is here is you're fighting an uphill struggle with the media that they'll see the headlines, they won't actually read them. | |
| Facebook's algorithms will feed them exactly what they're used to seeing all the time. | |
| So they don't have the time to actually find out what you truly believe. | |
| And I have no issues with people that are in UKIP or UKIP's principles or manifesto, generally speaking. | |
| But my concern is that although we know what we're on about, how are we supposed to translate ourselves and ensure that people that do not understand this space are able to listen? | |
| We are going to record these conversations, put them on Facebook, put them on Twitter, put them on YouTube, and then we are going to promote them in the local areas in which they're happening. | |
| I'll put this on Facebook called Swindon Debates, and then I'll target it to people in Swindon. | |
| We will just go around the media. | |
| We don't need them. | |
| It's like the Gutenberg printing press usurping the authority of the Catholic preachers. | |
| We are going around them. | |
| It's all change, and they are deeply afraid of that, and we can't lose. | |
| I promise you, this is going to work. | |
| Okay, then, so would you agree on the fact that maybe people that are in areas that wouldn't necessarily vote for UKIP should try and contact and interview their local MPs to challenge them on the very things that you advocate for in order to point out the weakness in the past? | |
| Absolutely. | |
| Holding politicians to account is the core of our freedoms in this country. | |
| And if we don't physically go and hold them to account, then what can we do? | |
| How do we get changed? | |
| This is why I literally said, right, you know, and the protesters, I said to them, come over, talk to us, sit in a chair, hold me to account. | |
| Tell me what your concerns are. | |
| This is the kind of politician that I'd be. | |
| So, would you say that the strength of you joining UKIP and improving the UKIP following allows people that maybe aren't supporters of UKIP to use you as a battle axe or a battering ram in order to actually engage their own party to change? | |
| Yes. | |
| Yes, I totally think so. | |
| Because, I mean, and I've seen many people doing this. | |
| There was a Sikh chap who had a tweet going around that had hundreds of retweets. | |
| Sorry to reference Twitter. | |
| But he was saying, Nigel, the fact that you're not addressing Islam in the wake of the Sri Lanka bombings, church bombings, is why Sargon Carlock Benjamin is breathing down your neck. | |
| You know, we are the tip of the spear in this regard. | |
| We're driving this conversation and they don't have any way of stopping us. | |
| Fantastic. | |
| So, finally... | |
| John, one thing. | |
| Finally, in terms of students within universities, how would you advise them in order to actually bring these debates to their campuses when there is a bit of an uphill struggle? | |
| You've got to be brave and you have to be determined. | |
| That's the only way. | |
| Because you are going to face the full force of the labour voting communist establishment in these universities and they're going to come at you with everything they've got and you've got to be prepared to have the worst said and done to you. | |
| But if you really have a conviction that this is the right thing to do, then you won't be able to let yourself rest anyway. | |
| Do you think that being combative will sometimes work against you though? | |
| Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's not. | |
| I mean, I like to think that I'm not being combative now. | |
| But when you're in front of a press conference of people who simply are asking in bad faith, then there's a time and a place. | |
| There is a time and a place for everything. | |
| Thank you very much. |
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