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Why Start Young?
00:08:07
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| Right, okay. | |
| What's your name, Chat? | |
| Sam. | |
| Sam, nice to meet you, Sam. | |
| Nice to meet you. | |
| Yeah, I'm fine. | |
| It's hot out today. | |
| It is, there, yeah. | |
| If I lose a bit of weight, I might feel a little better about that. | |
| That's why I'm eating my salads, mate. | |
| Yeah, you're doing good. | |
| Thank you. | |
| So what's the concern? | |
| I think, perhaps we'll start off with it. | |
| The porn idea. | |
| It might not be the best thing to talk about. | |
| We'll talk. | |
| It's talk about anything. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I was wondering what your opinion is on it in general. | |
| I think it's a terrible idea. | |
| I don't think the government has the legitimacy to restrict your access to legal material. | |
| What sorts of age... | |
| Obviously, I wouldn't want a child to stumble across pornography. | |
| Even though most websites do warn you about what it is, and really, if you're seeking it out, then you're seeking it out. | |
| I mean, I don't know what age, the lowest age, you'd say would be fine to watch pornography. | |
| I haven't got an opinion on that. | |
| I would say it's down to the parents to decide what age they talk to their kids about that, and it's up to them to be responsible about that. | |
| I think it's wrong to try and make the state responsible for that, because then we start trying to create rules that we can't really enforce. | |
| I really think parents have got to be more proactive about that, be more aware of these. | |
| I was just thinking, because, I mean, I've grown up with a computer. | |
| I don't remember how young I was when I started. | |
| Yeah. | |
| But I personally think it's rather stupid to stop. | |
| I'd say probably 13 or possibly even slightly younger. | |
| I don't see why. | |
| Obviously I might be biased against this, but I don't see why we should restrict that sort of teenager slowly going into it. | |
| Because obviously, 18 plus, kids can have sex around 16, can't they? | |
| Yeah, they can. | |
| So it seems a little stupid. | |
| Well, it's really, again, up to the parents who should be moderating that, in my opinion. | |
| But I am a parent, and so my opinion on it, there does seem to be research that suggests that exposure to pornography from a young age does deform the sort of sexual characteristics of young men and their beliefs and what they find attractive and whatnot. | |
| And it really does have a weighty impact on their future relationships as an adult. | |
| And so I think it is every parent's responsibility to make sure that your teenagers aren't just watching the most ridiculous hardcore porn. | |
| You know, you have to moderate that. | |
| You have to be involved in your kids' life. | |
| You can't just offload this decision to the government. | |
| It's irresponsible in my opinion. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, I wouldn't imagine a 13-year-old would die straight into hardcore... | |
| I'd imagine they'd start... | |
| I dread to think. | |
| I mean, I would never talk to my parents about what I watch. | |
| I mean, why would you want to? | |
| Yeah, exactly. | |
| I mean, I kind of see what you mean by saying an adult should, obviously, you're a father. | |
| It should be the father. | |
| But, say, I think there's a difference in quality. | |
| You know, there's one thing like seeing boobs on page three to another seeing, like, you know, a gangbang or something. | |
| You know, there's a... | |
| There's a difference in scale there. | |
| And I think that we can be aware of that. | |
| But I really do think it's down to the parents to say, look, some things might be okay for 14-year-olds, but a lot of things aren't. | |
| And it really can have an effect on their relationships going forward. | |
| And it really is not something the government can fix. | |
| I don't think the government can fix that. | |
| Because I think, you know, teenagers, they're smart. | |
| They know about VPNs and all this sort of stuff. | |
| They can get around it. | |
| So you've got to speak to them on a personal level and have an uncomfortable conversation with your parents, whether you like it or not. | |
| And that sucked, man, but that's life. | |
| Yeah, I mean, I would say I've probably been mildly ruined by it. | |
| I can't imagine. | |
| I mean, you start at a young age and you start stepping up as you go older and you just sort of... | |
| You end up looking at some weird stuff. | |
| It's good stuff, right? | |
| Yeah. | |
| And you can't go back, really. | |
| I wouldn't really want to get into my opinions and all this sort of stuff. | |
| No, no, no. | |
| But I appreciate that you're actually someone you could say you're a victim of it. | |
| Yeah, I wouldn't. | |
| I personally wouldn't count myself as a victim if I look at it differently. | |
| could see why the average person wouldn't want to be anything like how I turned out. | |
| But it's sort of, I don't know who would, obviously you said parents, but I don't think a child would want to talk to their parents about what they watch. | |
| Maybe about transitioning into watching it. | |
| And I don't imagine most people are that happy to talk about it. | |
| We are quite prudish. | |
| Yeah, lately I've been a bit over the top when talking to some people about it. | |
| Not because I want to, but it's... | |
| It's kind of you're compelled to, right? | |
| It's kind of you're compelled to, right? | |
| It's stupid to... | |
| If someone like a 13-year-old has... | |
| Even if they started, and this porn... | |
| Personally, I think if I was an adult, I might feel differently if I had children. | |
| I'd get the... | |
| I'd buy a porn ID from it and give it to my child. | |
| I don't care. | |
| If they want to do it, they can do it. | |
| It's none of my business. | |
| But it can have negative effects. | |
| It should be your business. | |
| I actually do think that parents should be proactive about this. | |
| Whether the kid likes it or not, it's going to be uncomfortable. | |
| But like you say, you describe yourself as having been damaged by this. | |
| I agree. | |
| I think there is a lot of damage to be done by it. | |
| And it's one of those ways that nobody wants to talk about the damage that's being done to young men about things. | |
| But I don't think censoring pornography is actually the solution. | |
| Because I think it's easy to get around the census. | |
| And it always will be. | |
| So it needs to be a kind of social solution to this. | |
| And I don't think there's any other way of doing it. | |
| Well, I mean, that's a different standard. | |
| Everyone will have their own solution, won't they? | |
| Obviously, if you have religious beliefs to go against it, I don't want to argue with it. | |
| It's just obviously some people don't. | |
| I have a religious beliefs. | |
| And although I completely agree with things like Christianity really puts in good morals and things, which if they had on the hang on, hang on. | |
| Yeah, sorry. | |
| I lost my train of thought. | |
| There's a market for it. | |
| It exists because there's demand. | |
| If it goes. | |
| If you have it. | |
| Maybe you don't believe the beliefs, but you have the morals picked up from religion. | |
| and then you watch pornography on the side as well, you probably would develop into a more... | |
| I think mainly it'd probably be sex ed more than anything, which would control, or what I would believe should control it. | |
| Adults... | |
| There could definitely be sex education in schools to warn children about the dangers of consuming hardcore pornography for long periods of time. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I definitely think that. | |
| I mean, obviously some people it can get with and obviously you wouldn't want the government to stop or control what someone in private to consenting adults. | |
| I believe in self-they should be able to do whatever they want. | |
| I guess you could say within reason, but I wouldn't want to insult someone for their beliefs and what they want to do. | |
| Although I'd imagine there's some adults which didn't start off with a young age or start off very low who are also in this position. | |
| So I wouldn't quite go as far to say that it starts in childhood. | |
| But I would say I think sex ed in this country is kind of terrible. | |
| Probably is. | |
| From what I remember, it's pretty. | |
| Yeah, it's been a long time since I've gone through it, but I don't recall learning very much. | |
| I recall learning a lot more when I was experimenting with my first girlfriend, you know what I mean? | |
| Yeah, I mean, it's probably where someone should start. | |
| But as I said, I mean, to be honest, though, if you start with masturbation, if you start with pornography at a younger age, you may be inclined to get into sex younger, which I wouldn't agree with at all. | |
| 16 perfectly fine but um but it is totally a legitimate subject and it's an uncomfortable one to discuss and we have to have the fortitude to talk about it Someone has to bring it up. | |
|
Addressing Segsed Issues
00:00:47
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| Exactly. | |
| Maybe not in this situation. | |
| This is just fine. | |
| You're absolutely right. | |
| It has to be talked about and it has to be addressed and it's difficult to do it. | |
| Yeah, now. | |
| But we're going to do this. | |
| We're going to do this. | |
| This is what we're here for. | |
| No, yeah. | |
| I should probably end it there, to be honest. | |
| I could think of more questions, but we're damn nervous. | |
| No, I don't blame you, but this is, you are absolutely right. | |
| There is a legitimate issue here, and it has to be addressed. | |
| It has to be. | |
| And the Conservatives are addressing it badly. | |
| I don't like how government are doing it about it. | |
| No, I don't either. | |
| Just leave people to what they're doing, and SegSED hopefully can drive people and more. | |
| I mean, they seem to have less problems with this on the continent because they're not open to talking about it. | |
| And I think that maybe in SegSED classes in school, that's actually a step forward in the right direction. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Thanks, Matt. | |
| Thanks. | |