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July 11, 2017 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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TYT Defend Antifa
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So I've finished Force and Fanaticism and Black Flags and I need to read a few more Islamic State pieces of propaganda as well as the management of savagery again before I can do my Is the Islamic State Islamic videos.
And there seems to be a bit of trouble brewing in Syria regarding the US again, and so I'm going to be doing part three of A Tale of Two Narratives.
These things will take a lot of time and so instead of just leaving you with no content, I thought I'd talk about the young Turks' coverage of the G20 protest.
10,000 protesters took the streets of Hamburg in opposition to inequality, global capitalism.
Trump?
You could be a lot more specific here.
If you're talking about 10,000, which I suppose could be the rough number of the black bloc that turned up at the G20 protests, you are talking about 10,000 people in opposition to private property.
Maybe their first time to do so.
Last night's protest was called Welcome to Hell.
Which should really give you an indication of their intentions, shouldn't it?
Lovingly titled.
Protests were non-violent but also violent.
I'm sorry, come again.
Protests were non-violent but also violent.
How can the protest be non-violent and violent at the same time?
I think this is what you mean to say.
Protests were violent.
There.
Now you have something that approaches reality.
Of course, this is a classic example.
Police are blaming protesters, protesters blaming police.
But this is also a classic example of where the protesters are the ones in the wrong.
Because they turned up in black masks with homemade weapons and started trashing everything around them and beating people up, including left-wing journalists.
People say clashes.
20,000 police were deployed to Hamburg.
Protesters were met with water cannons and tear gas.
And so far, 83 people have been arrested.
17 have been detained.
Yes, and frankly, that's not enough, is it?
I think every single person who turns up dressed in black to be part of the black block should be arrested because they are knowingly complicit in this violent protest.
One activist told the New York Times, I thought this was good.
We were promised a festival of democracy and what we're living through is a civil war on our streets.
Well, yes, indeed.
And that's precisely why Antifa have to be stopped.
I think a lot of that was from Christoph Klein.
I think there were protesters who went there to actually voice their opposition.
Others maybe to start a couple bonfires.
Start a couple of bonfires?
It wasn't the 5th of November.
They were lighting people's cars on fire.
But outside, there were definitely people's voices being heard and saying that the G20 needs to represent the people of Europe, the people of the world.
Yeah, I guess all the property damage and hospitalizations were just worth it, as long as some people got their voices heard that they hate capitalism.
Why are you defending this?
Why are you downplaying this?
The radical left makes you, the progressive left, look bad.
The fact that you feel the need to somehow defend them just because you have ideological overlap is disgraceful.
Are you guys against the idea of private property?
If you are not, you are the enemy of Antifar.
It's that fucking simple.
So this made me realize how different Europe is than the US.
Now, of course, I already knew that, but it is like when you get into the details, it's fascinating.
First of all, 111 officers injured and dozens of protesters as well.
Yeah, that really should tell you something about the way things went down, shouldn't it?
More police officers than protesters were injured.
In the US, that is not how the proportion would go.
No.
If there were two officers injured, there would be hundreds of protesters injured and arrested.
Yeah, Jenkins, I'm not really a fan of American police either, to be honest.
I don't like the fact they're poorly trained.
I don't like the sort of warrior cop ethos.
I don't like the incredibly domineering attitude they take with the public.
But this is one of those cases where people are actually out to cause trouble with the police, not the police out to cause trouble with these people.
17 detained when 111 officers were injured?
They were throwing firebombs, right?
The protesters were.
Some.
Again, there's black block and there's the guys who were ruining the peaceful protests.
Most of the protesters were wonderfully peaceful.
Yeah, I'm sure there were a large number of, I guess we'll call them civilian protesters.
But I don't really care about them because, like you say, they're not causing trouble.
Let's actually talk about the cancer that is turning up in these protests, calling it a welcome to hell march and then injuring hundreds of policemen.
Let's not talk about the innocent bystander type protesters who are there waving placards and actually doing nothing wrong because there's simply no point.
I mean, what point is there us talking about those people?
They're not causing trouble.
They're not doing anything wrong.
And anything that they wanted to do, any activism they wanted, is completely overshadowed by the anarchists.
You should be joining in the call to make these black block protests illegal so anyone taking part in them can be arrested before they do any damage or hurt anyone etc.
But some were not and smashed windows, etc.
Now, yes, the police had water cannons, pepper spray, billy clubs, they did have all that.
Jenk, why are you downplaying this, man?
This is not something trivial.
This is the largest black block in history.
Somewhere between 7 and 8,000 people dressed like ISIS, marching through the streets, beating people up and setting things on fire, injuring over 100 police officers.
And it was so large that the authorities simply couldn't deal with it.
Even with 20,000 police there.
I mean, don't you think that's a problem?
When they're acting like an invading army.
But in the US.
Stop the what about it, Jenk.
This didn't happen in the US.
This happened in Germany.
This is not how it would have gone down.
And I know some right-wingers celebrate that.
They're like, oh yeah, we would have cracked our skulls and ended these democratic protests so quick.
Dude, I think we can both agree that when the protesters are there to assault people and smash things, it is not a democratic protest.
They were there to intimidate and destroy because they hate the concept of private property.
You know, that network that you founded and run and profit from.
How would you like that being appropriated to the people?
Not much.
Oh, well, then you're against what these people stand for.
It would have made your head spin or your head crack.
So yeah, and so that's a little different.
And then the protesters, there's 160 different groups that are protesting.
And they're all progressive.
And they have socialists among them.
They have all these different groups among them that, again, in America would have been characterized as like, oh my God, these guys.
And look at them.
And one of them threw a firebomb.
That's it.
They're all terrorists, etc.
Okay, let's find the groups that weren't dressed in black, that weren't assaulting civilians, that weren't burning people's cars and smashing in shops, and leave them alone.
The rest of them, anyone dressed in black with a covered face, is fair game, in my opinion.
Don't you agree, Jenk?
Why are you downplaying this?
Oh, one Molotov was thrown.
No, it wasn't one Molotov that was thrown.
God, why are you doing this?
Meanwhile, the Germans, German government's like, no, no, no, we're trying to give them as much room as possible to protest to show people like Turkey and Russia that you can have protests in a democracy and not arrest all of your political opponents.
For the love of God, Jank, arresting militant black-clad rioters who have come with the intention of marching through the streets and burning cars and breaking things and hurting people is not the same as simply arresting your political opponents.
You are arresting them for intent and the action of what they are doing, not because they hold a different political position.
This is not the government going into people's homes because they posted something silly on Facebook that the government considers to be hate speech and arresting them on the basis of that, which incidentally is something that happened.
These people are not being targeted for their political views.
They are being targeted because of their actions.
Which is a wonderful idea and why I get more pissed at the people who cause violence inside the protests.
But for some reason, all you do is downplay what they did.
You should be leading the charge to get these people arrested, to get anti-far the black bloc declared a terrorist organization because that is what they are and banned forth with.
I mean, I don't see what the rationale for not doing this is, but I suppose I haven't reached the end of this video yet.
And meanwhile, the protesters say, look, Hamburg is a very progressive city, and so this was an act of aggression by the government to even have the G20 meeting here.
Again, topsy-turvy.
There is no, like, in the American media, no one frames the government as the aggressors, right?
And the protesters as the innocent ones.
It's almost always the reverse.
It's an act of aggression by the protesters when the government can obviously do whatever they want.
Oh my god, what is wrong with you, man?
I mean, for a start, the government can't just do whatever it wants.
It is bound by lots of rules and it's actually a very complex system, but I know you already know this.
But no, when you have a peaceful protest like the Women's March protest recently, no one was talking about them like they were there to deliberately cause violence because they didn't cause violence.
To suggest that Hamburg is a progressive city, therefore, the government hosting the G20 talks in this city was somehow an incitement to a bunch of black-clad, violent anarchists is lunacy.
These people are just looking for an excuse, and for some reason, you're happy to give them cover.
No, there is no excuse for progressives or anyone to go on giant violent protests, burning and smashing and looting and damaging and hurting people.
There is no excuse for this, Jank.
That's why we live in democracies.
That's why we find violence invalid.
Because there isn't an excuse.
They don't have a good reason to do this.
They're doing it because they want to, and you are helping them.
It's almost as if the people in Germany can hold their government accountable.
So it's freaking me out.
Are you serious?
When they're looting stores, is that holding the government accountable?
When they're beating up journalists, is that holding the government accountable?
And you realize that you're both democratic countries.
You can both vote for the government you want.
And if the government you get is not doing what you want it to do, you can perform all the activism you want.
And in fact, in America, your activism is far less restrained than in Germany because you enjoy what is practically absolute free speech, whereas we in Europe do not.
But you can still vote against the government you have and in favor of the government you want.
I just want to say also though that when you I mean it's like the conventions here, it's like any major protest that happens in the US.
I think maybe the last one I saw that was an exception to this was the women's march.
But when you deploy 20,000 police officers, it is, I would say, already quite militarized, right?
No.
They had to deploy that many police and that wasn't enough.
They needed more police to deal with the black-clad violent rioters.
Why are you defending this?
Why are you making it out that somehow this is the fault of the German police?
I mean, you understand that the German police are not the American police, don't you?
The German police are actually a highly professional police force.
And I know this from first-hand experience because I lived in Germany for eight years.
And I felt nothing but safe, probably due to the fact that they had three years' worth of training each, unlike in the US where they get about six months.
And they also don't really pander to the sort of warrior cop mentality.
They have weapons training courses called Don't Shoot, for example.
And that's when the recruits are learning how to handle a gun and then preferably, why not to use it.
Which is why nobody died at the G20 protests, despite so many police being injured by the rioters.
The fact that the police were in riot gear was for their own safety, which, as we saw earlier, it was necessary given how the crowd was simply surrounding them and throwing things at them.
It's for their safety and they need it.
It isn't so the German police state can continue repressing these poor innocent anarchists and denying them their rights of overthrowing society.
So it's as a peaceful protester.
I've been there.
You're staring down a riot cop, right?
You're just trying to walk and that it's almost like they're preparing for and slash know that they want to, you know, that the cops want to start something.
I'm not saying that American cops don't want to start something.
I'm sure there are some that do and I'm sure there are many that don't.
But I'm quite certain that the German police at the G20 protests would much rather it if something didn't start.
It would make their jobs a lot easier.
It would make their days a lot easier.
And it would mean that they were pretty guaranteed they wouldn't end up in hospital.
Like more of them did than the protesters themselves.
Remember that.
You know, and I think some of the images I've been seeing, and I know there are protesters who throw, you know, whether you consider throwing a smoke bomb back or excuse me, a tear gas canister back, an act of aggression.
Because it's not like Antifar were throwing things first.
It's not like they were instigating any of this.
Oh, no, no, no.
It was the German cops, wasn't it?
Your experiences as a peaceful protester are completely irrelevant to the problem at hand.
Unless you were dressed in black and you were standing shoulder to shoulder with other people dressed in black and you were looking for people to beat and private property to smash, your experience does not matter.
Is up to you, but you know, the images that struck me the most were seeing lines of non-violent demonstrators sitting down and just water cannons, you know, stuff that we saw at Standing Rock and things like this.
And I think that the non-violent protesters are one that kind of scram later on when black block comes out and starts getting a little more violent, but why are you just acting like that's a nothing?
It's just a small thing.
Oh, well, yeah, I mean, they kind of left after the black block came out and got started getting more violent.
Yeah, no, no, that's the problem.
That's the problem.
It's that you have the violent black bloc within your protest.
That is the problem.
And while they're there, they're going to spoil any protest you take part in because they are going to make it lead to violence.
And you know what's interesting as well?
They know exactly what they're doing as well.
Here's some footage of members of the black bloc, as you can see, dressed like ISIS jihadis, finding somewhere nice and quiet and out of the way to strip off their black clothing, put it in a bin, and then go and rejoin the protest as if they've done nothing wrong.
They are using you as cover and they are making you look bad.
You have every right to protest, but you do not have every right to go and smash things up.
You do not have every right to hurt people, to throw weapons and bottles and whatnot at the cops.
This is not acceptable.
These people are doing this maliciously.
They must be found.
They must be arrested and they must be punished.
And the more that you deny that this is what they're doing, and the more that you try and downplay that this isn't a problem, the more that they are going to be emboldened and believe that you are on their side, and the more people like me are going to think that you are actually anarchist sympathizers and you are on their side and you condone what they do.
And necessarily, the numbers are always going to appear when you see the footage.
Like, even us, even the footage we just showed would give you the idea that there's a lot of water cans, a lot of smoke, a lot of fire.
And there's some of that, but we're talking about tens of thousands of people protesting theoretically.
And so it's just the nature of the media that they're always going to make it seem far worse than it was.
Hundreds of people injured, dozens of cars.
God knows how much property damage and looting and rioting went on, John.
But yeah, I suppose if it didn't happen everywhere, it's not really as bad as it sounds.
And note that this is the largest and worst one yet.
It got out of hand.
They couldn't control them.
This isn't getting better.
It's getting worse.
In the American context, it'd be even worse.
That's the only info you'd ever get about this protest would be those attacks.
I just want to say that this, the thing that we need to remember about protests around global capitalism is that before you had the anti-globalists, before you had the Alex Jones Joneses, before you had Donald Trump saying, I hate free trade, there were young people in the streets protesting the G20, the World Economic Forum, the World Trade Organization.
The biggest one and the one that started it all was in Seattle in 1999, right?
I just want to say that Donald Trump didn't start the anti-free trade movement.
Alex Jones didn't start this anti-globalist, you know, which is a super reactionary response to what 20 years ago almost, young people, labor union organizers, climate justice organizers back in the day were out there on the streets saying, hey, these economic free trade agreements do not benefit us.
And guess what?
They were met with repression then.
What happened?
9-11.
We've completely made a right turn.
George Bush.
So just to say, remember, look back in history that like these protests have been going on.
Europe has been a site of some of the strongest protests against free market capitalism just sort of running amok, not thinking about workers' rights, human rights.
I was just letting her blather on because I have no idea what point she's trying to make.
Europe has, as far as I'm aware, the strongest worker rights protections in the entire world.
So I don't know what possible objections these people are having.
I mean, what is she talking about?
What point are you trying to make?
Let's remember that when Trump says he's the only one standing up against free trade because the reality is otherwise.
And let's also remember that he said he would get rid of NAFTA.
As far as I know, NAFTA is still in place.
So I didn't deliver on that either.
And lastly, I don't want to over-romanticize either the German government and their response or their protesters.
So bad stuff has happened on both sides, no question about it.
Just a little different context than what you would see here in the US, which leads me to my final point, which is that one of the groups, and you saw their sign there, is Ales Fur Allen.
That means everything for everyone.
Yeah, that also means nothing for anyone, doesn't it, Jank?
Do you understand?
They literally want to take the things you own and they think other people should also own those things?
Do I have to explain why that's bad?
Do you know what the tragedy of the commons is?
Do I have to explain that Aristotle made the observation that things held in kind are not really cared for by anyone?
Now, that's the kind of progressive movement in Germany and in Europe that's perfectly acceptable.
They probably don't even know what I'm referring to.
Like, yeah, everything for everyone.
Fucking hell, Cher.
You're saying that progressives in Europe are communists?
No.
We are still capitalist countries.
We do believe in private property.
This kind of wishy-washy will.
I mean, oh, everything for everyone.
Hippie bullshit isn't going to wash, is it?
I mean, it's not exactly something that's going to improve your economy.
It's not going to improve your living conditions.
It's just going to make things worse.
In America, they'd be like, oh, liberal, socialist, communist.
Okay, well, they'd be right about the socialist communist part, but wrong about the liberal part.
But yes, Jenkin, you appear to be completely endorsing the public ownership of the means of production.
That is very much a socialist and communist position and the very antithesis of the liberal position.
Everything for everyone!
No, no way!
No!
Everything for the very few who are super rich.
I tell you, it really is a trial listening to you sometimes, Jank.
No.
Not everything for everyone.
Not everything for anyone.
Some things for the individuals that earn them through their own hard graft and labor.
People are entitled to the fruits of their own labor.
That's what liberalism is.
Socialism is the opposite of this.
That people are not entitled to the fruits of their own labor, and other people are in fact entitled to it as well.
Anyway, folks, sorry I didn't put too much effort into this one, but the next few days I'll have some good stuff coming.
There's some detailed content coming.
And I just wanted to put this up in the meantime because my god, I'm so sick of the progressive apologetics for Antifar.
They're making you look bad.
You need to get rid of them.
And the government needs to make Antifar illegal.
They're a domestic terrorist organization.
That's what they are.
These people coordinate using social media.
They can be caught just in the same way as Islamists because, I mean, this is getting worse.
It's not getting better.
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