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March 26, 2015 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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	We've had to do that in one example, Chris, quickly.
	Police the police have done a brilliant job, have they?
	While you're talking about policing, let me bring in Steve Alec, who is a police officer.
	It's almost as if we've had it.
	Guys, let me know if you can hear camera being completely twiat.
	My question to this afternoon is: would the Conservatives reverse their decision to cut back to police service, which is now more than ever overburdening and all clickro about safe to debt?
	Hi, was about first of all, Dave.
	Thank you very much for your service in the police.
	I know that you put your lives on the line every day to keep us safe, and I have huge respect for what they do to keep on.
	I was about to say what a brilliant example the police have been over the last reductions in spending on the police.
	So police budgets came down by some 20%.
	But at the same time, the police have done such a good job that crime has come down by almost 20%.
	We managed to get officers out of desk jobs onto the streets.
	We put more civilians into some of those roles.
	We made sure that when the police did this themselves, they combined forces were controlled by ordering equipment and things together.
	So I think there's still some more efficiency that we can get out of that, but in the end, we've got to back the British police who are the best in the world, do a great job, and they're also my support.
	I think that's about as loud as I can make it.
	I just don't accept that.
	I think, you know, I understand they're under pressure.
	I think if you look at Lincolnshire in that county as well, you know, crime has come.
	I literally can't turn it up anymore than that, guys.
	See, this is the problem.
	I really wanted this to work.
	And we should be saving money as well.
	Yeah, I've tried using the Molly Micron, guys.
	Are you happy with that response?
	Okay.
	Rosary Fraser is joining us.
	Hello to you, Rosemary.
	Where are you?
	What's your question?
	Good evening.
	Hi.
	It's 20 years this year since the passing of the Disability Discrimination Act in the UK.
	Yet, if you're disabled, you're still twice as many.
	Yeah, I wouldn't want to hear Cameron either.
	I mean, Jesus fucking Christ.
	Okay, what I'll do is I'll reduce my mic so you can turn your thingy up.
	Okay, I'll turn my mic down.
	Let me know how it is, guys.
	I have a very simple view about this, which is we should do everything we can to help disabled people face absolutely.
	Yeah, I've lowered my mic.
	I'll lower a bit more if it's still too loud.
	I'll tweet him, shall I?
	Cameron, for once, people actually want you to talk up.
	Right, the job isn't done.
	One of the things I think we need to focus on is, as you say, getting more disabled people into work.
	This year has been a good year.
	We've got 40,000 more disabled people who have got jobs.
	But the gap between the disabled unemployment rate and the unemployment rate for the whole country is still too big.
	I want to see that cut in half over the next five years.
	And I think we're going to do that, but we need a culture change from employers as much as from anybody.
	There are some employers who are absolutely brilliant, who really go out there and want to recruit disabled people because they know if they don't, they're missing out on some of the brightest, best talent in our country.
	But not all employers are that good.
	And that's why we've established something called disability confidence.
	We've done some good work, we've got more to do, but in the end, it all comes back to the bigger picture of a strong and growing economy.
	We keep the economy strong.
	We keep creating jobs point.
	I'm largely happy with the response, but I still think there's an awful lot more that needs to be done.
	organizations that can provide the point of view.
	I don't think I can do anything too different.
	I think that is what was coming through was coming through my microphone.
	I love RNHS.
	It has done amazing things for my family.
	I will never forget my desperately ill young son eyes at the hospital night after night getting into AE, getting amazing treatment, everything that they gave him.
	I want to make sure that that is always there.
	I'm guessing you guys can't hear me.
	And that would always be predominantly a national health service provided by national health service providers, the private sector, the independent sector, a tiny proportion of the total.
	I think it's gone from 5% to 6% under this government, a tiny increase.
	But if there are organizations, like for instance, Marie Curie, Cancer Care, or the Village Commission, or hospices, which aren't part of the NHS, if there are great organizations like that that are helping our loved ones and they're free and the NHS cannot tax the current hands instead of playing sound households, Excellent, right?
	We can now talk about the bullshit that's coming out of Cameron's mouth.
	I'm just a little bit confused because I do remember very clearly five years ago that you made some very serious pledges about the NHS and I saw your billboards.
	It's safe in our hands.
	So, who's from the UK?
	Top-down reorganization of the NHS.
	That clearly, the reality has been very, very different.
	There has been huge top-down reorganizations.
	And yeah, I know I'm not from the UK.
	I'm not any good at this.
	And where I live in my borough, we had to take you and your government to court to keep our hospital open.
	So I feel very let down with conservative policy on the NHS.
	And I'm just wondering if you don't do what you say, the promises you made last time have been broken as far as I'm concerned.
	So how can we trust you next time?
	The biggest promise we made about the NHS at a time when we were going to have to make difficult cuts in public spending, as anyone, Prime Minister, oh motherfucker.
	See, this technology just doesn't fucking work.
	That's not what I was Prime Minister would have to do.
	We said we will not cut the NHS and we haven't.
	We've increased spending on the NHS by over £12.7 billion over the last five years.
	And because this is a really important point, what we did in terms of changing the NHS is we got rid of 20,000 bureaucrats in the NHS and we put that money into 9,000 more doctors and 7,000 more nurses.
	And as a result, we're treating more patients.
	If you take something just like cancer, we're seeing 460,000 poor people and looking at their potential cancer than we were five years ago.
	So the biggest promise we made, more money, safeguarding that money and treating more patients, has been kept.
	And if you elect me again as your prime minister with a strong economy, because that's the key to afford this, we'll go on investing in our national health service.
	Okay, what complete bottoms?
	They have actually been privatizing swathes of the National Health Service.
	And that is from a company, I think, that Mitt Romney, if I recall correctly, is the CO of or owner of.
	So he's privatized blood to the NHS.
	He's full of shit.
	If you could redo one thing as your time as Prime Minister, what would it be?
	Well, there's definitely the thing, as I said, I haven't delivered.
	I promised better, less noise of Prime Minister's questions, more politeness.
	That certainly didn't work out.
	I fully accept that.
	Look, I think the most important thing I've had to try and do is turn the economy around, get people into jobs, get the deficit down, get the economy growing, because we were on the brink.
	His forehead's triggering some of the things that we've done, like for instance, the help to buy scheme that has got many more people able to buy their houses.
	I wish we'd done some of those things quicker.
	I wish we'd done some of those things sooner.
	Because in the end, you're going to have to make this huge choice in 42 days' time who runs the country.
	And all I'd say, what I've learned in the last five years, is nothing that you want to do will work without a strong and growing economy.
	The schools we want for our children, the hospitals we want when we're ill, those things need the strong economy.
	Have you ever had free shredded wheat?
	Have I ever had free shredded wheat?
	I have actually, but Jesus Christ, don't ask him pure old questions.
	I can't actually load my volume guys.
	Coming next, Ed Minibai will be taking more questions from our studio audience.
	So do stay tuned to us here on Sky and Channel Poor.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much indeed.
	Well, I swear to God, I fucking hate politicians.
	I absolutely do.
	I'll have to dig up, but I'm absolutely sure that the Tories have privatized the blood supply to the NHS.
	So now I think I'm pretty sure it's Mitt Romney's company that is actually making money from selling human blood.
	I mean, fucking come on.
	Come on.
	Just is that something you should really be turning a profit on?
	But yeah, he wasn't talking about the workfare scheme at all, which I can't believe more people aren't pissed off about.
	I would be fucking fucking furious about that.
	But yeah, so I'm quite looking forward to hearing what Miliband is saying.
	And I hope you guys can see what Miliband's saying or hear it as well.
	Again, I don't know what the quality is like, but there's really nothing I can do.
	I didn't think it was going to work, but you know, this is the best I can do, I'm afraid.
	But Nigel Farage did actually turn up at the studio, didn't he?
	He was outside, and they've yeah, I don't know whether they let him in or not, but he was outside the studio.
	I saw a picture of it.
	Hey, Sargon, fuck, marry, kill Anita Zora Burana.
	Well...
	Well, I'm not going to marry or fuck Brianna Wu.
	So we're down to Anita and Zoe.
	And I mean, I guess with Anita, you could probably at least trust her to be faithful because she's some sort of frigid Puritan.
	So, yeah, it's just on an advert break at the moment.
	And you guys don't really want to watch adverts, do you?
	So, you know, I'll turn it back on when the adverts are over.
	It's just muted at the moment.
	No, fuck you, Google.
	No, it's not bad that you find yourself agreeing with Farage more and more every day.
	If you watch him in the EU Parliament, he's surprisingly sensible.
	You know, I'm not sure that repealing all this human rights crap is necessarily the right thing to say to do before an election or when you're trying to be elected.
	But I mean, I think that it's probably gone too far.
	Sorry, I'll try and.
	Can you hear me now?
	I don't stream as often as I'd like to because I don't have as much time as I used to have anymore, unfortunately.
	Sargon, there was a pitchfork article about indie rock being too white.
	Well, what a fucking surprise.
	Indie Rock is the most middle-class thing I've ever seen in the well, just ever.
	So, of course, it's white.
	But what is Cameron?
	I think he's one of David Ike's lizard men.
	John Major or David Cameron.
	John Major left office with a surplus.
	I don't think there was a deficit.
	There was debt, obviously, but I don't think it was a deficit when Major left office.
	And then New Labour climbed to power and absolutely sunk the economy.
	So, you know, thanks, Tony.
	Well, this is my job.
	It's just that I'm working on Necromancer and I'm a father, so I tend to find myself with less and less time.
	My privilege is checked, and I am pretty comfortable with it.
	I am.
	I'm waiting for the adverts to finish.
	They're shit, frankly.
	I hate adverts.
	You should hate adverts too.
	So here are the adverts, but I think we're back, actually.
	And again, welcome back to Cameron and Miliband Live, the battle for the numbers.
	Wallace and Billet Live.
	We've seen Debbie Cameron face the questions of Jeremy Paxman and also those of our studio audience.
	Now is the turn of the Labour leader, Ed Miliband.
	Daniel in Canada is very well.
	I'm ready to meet our audience.
	Oh, God, you're looking.
	He's just the saddest man on earth.
	I do use ad block, but Channel 4 won't let you stream if you've got it turned on.
	Paul Hickson, first of all, Paul, you are retired, aren't you?
	What's your question?
	Good evening.
	My question is: this, you sound gloomy most of the time.
	Are things really so bad?
	No, but they could be a lot better.
	He is the leader of Labour.
	You know, I think this is a choice between those who think this is as good as it gets for Britain and those who think we can do a lot better than this.
	I don't think it's good enough that we've got 700,000 people on zero hours contracts.
	I think we can do something about it.
	And the Prime Minister said earlier that he couldn't live on a zero hours contract.
	Well, I couldn't ask.
	Yeah, I wonder who the people in the audience are and how they got there.
	You don't end up on a zero hours contract, but you have a legal right to a regular contract.
	But how do you feel about Wensleydale Chief?
	We can do a lot better than this.
	We're a great country.
	Okay, let's voice through the instrumental first side of applause.
	Paula.
	For fuck's sake.
	Someone's like, the Jews did this.
	Well, I think he is actually a Jew.
	Pearson is next.
	Where are you, Paula?
	What's your question for this development?
	I'm proud of my background, and I'm now a high-rate taxpayer.
	Labour's message is not a good idea.
	How can I vote for you when you make me feel like this?
	Oh, take care of her feelings, Milliband.
	Let me see if I can change your mind.
	But look, I think that the thing that's happening in Britain at the moment is it's the very richest in our society.
	I'm talking about like the top 1% people earning over £150,000 a year who are doing sort of okay.
	And I think lots and lots of people, including on middle incomes, are finding life really tough.
	Now, the question is: how we do something about it.
	And I hope we'll get a different message from me tonight if that's the message you've been getting from me.
	Let me give you an example: tuition fees.
	Some people have criticised me.
	Did he say Jewish tuition fees from £9,000 to £6,000?
	They say it'll help middle-class families.
	I just checked.
	The other stream actually wasn't any faster.
	Lots of families are saying, if my poor water is not a good idea, I'm going to try and get a third potato at some point.
	Triple my speech.
	Let's do something about it with fair changes.
	So I want a country where you feel you're not struggling, you can get on, and that's one of the changes we've made.
	But you're a socialist, does that mean that you're anti-wealth creation?
	No, I think wealth creation is a part of our democratic socialists.
	I think that wealth creation is an incredibly important part of building a more prosperous society.
	No, very brave, Milliband.
	Wealth creation is a good thing.
	Well, no, I think the way we succeed is not simply with those at the top doing well, but all working people succeeding.
	I say it's when working people succeed that Britain succeeds.
	Now, that might sound like a political slogan.
	It isn't.
	It's actually a reality of the way a country gets on.
	So if hard work's rewarded for everyone, not just the bankers with six-figure bonuses.
	If you get a regular bonuses or seven-figure bonuses, if you get regular hours, you know, and you've got some security if you're going out to work and doing the right thing for the country.
	Yeah, there is no way anyone is going to vote for him.
	He's never going to win.
	Where are you, Luke?
	What's your question?
	You're from Tara Hamlets, I believe.
	Yes, hi, Luke.
	Hi.
	If you are Prime Minister after May the 7th, what will the budget deficit be in pounds at the end of five years and how will you achieve it?
	So 75 billion we're going to inherit.
	We want to balance the books by the end of the parliament and we want to cut the deficit every year.
	And we're going to do it by doing three things.
	First of all, we'll have fair taxes.
	We're going to reverse the change that David Cameron made, cutting taxes for those earning over $150,000 a year.
	Secondly, there will have to be spending reductions in areas outside some priorities like health and education, because we do need to get the deficit down.
	And I'll make no bones about that to you.
	That's going to require difficult decisions.
	But thirdly, really important other thing we've got to do.
	Why is it that the Conservatives promised to eliminate the deft and haven't done so?
	Let's not talk about the Conservatives, let's talk about what you do.
	I'm sure all our audience remember with Liam Boehr there and the close of his deftly.
	I'm nearly banned.
	Let's get fucking home.
	I want to draw a lesson.
	Because the reason why that hasn't happened is because living standards have fallen.
	So tax revenues have fallen.
	So the key to getting rid of the deficit is that third element, the tax changes we've announced, the spending reductions, but that key third element of raising living standards.
	If we raise living standards in this country, we'll also get the tax revenues in and the deficit down.
	Okay, let's bring everyone.
	It's easy to say all this, isn't it, Milliman?
	How exactly do you plan to do it?
	Why is Labour prepared to deny the people over here?
	Sorry.
	Hi.
	Why is Labour prepared to deny the people the freedom to choose whether they wish to see that country become a fully fledged member of the EU?
	I want us to stay in the EU, Veronica.
	And as you say, to have a referendum, whether we should leave the European Union.
	Let me explain why.
	I think when I look at our country, I know what my priorities will be as Prime Minister, to tackle the constant of living crisis, to rescue our NHS, to build a future for our young people.
	I think leaving the EU would be a disaster for our country because I think we rely on its jobs and the trade we get from being in the EU.
	I think strategically for Britain, whether you want to tackle terrorism, climate change.
	I watch the Kaiser report.
	I like Max Kaiser.
	He's crazy.
	Sorry for people who listen to this in the future.
	I'm replying to the chat.
	I'm not likely to happen.
	I have said that if there's a transfer of power from Britain to the EU, a further transfer of powers, we'd have it in our referendum.
	It's not likely to happen.
	That's what leadership is.
	Well, if it's not likely to happen, then not to happen.
	Even though it really has happened constantly since we fucking came into existence.
	Fuck it.
	How this I absolutely love the EU.
	I can't stand it.
	It's about as democratic as North Korea.
	If you win the next election, you would not call a referendum in that five years.
	I've said it's unlikely to happen.
	I've said that the lot for the British people.
	No, it isn't.
	No, it isn't because of the criteria I've set by Luxembourg.
	If he's saying, oh, it's unlikely to happen, that may as well be a deficit.
	Fuck the EU.
	It's unlikely at the moment.
	That's a politician's answer, though, isn't it?
	Well, sure.
	Sunil, Jacob.
	Hello, Bill.
	What's your question?
	Hi, I'm going to do it.
	Greece are currently holding Germany to ransom, aren't they?
	I'll probably do a video on that at some point because it's funny what Greece is doing to the EU right now.
	Better qualified and better positioned.
	Okay, well, it'll surprise you to know that my answer is no.
	So let me explain why.
	Look, it was a difficult contest between me and David and it was a bruising contest.
	Why did I stand?
	I think those are just miscarriage.
	You could move us on from new Labour because I thought that was the time that was necessary for the country and necessary for our party.
	Strong views about how we need to change the country.
	I think this country is too unequal, and we've got to change it.
	I think new label is too relaxed.
	So, people asking, yeah, I've done the Drummond Peasants podcast, but they kind of have to ask me first.
	I can't just force them to take ones.
	I was the best person to move the party on.
	Am I going to fight Stanton?
	I would love to.
	That's why I thought it was the right thing for the country.
	So, I think I'd probably turn up to him and I think he'd probably want to talk.
	I wonder, though, Mr. Miliband, what regrets you have about creating such division in your family?
	It's hard.
	It's hard on Mike Miliband's best.
	In what way is it?
	Well, because it was bruising.
	I mean, you know, it was bruising for me, it was bruising for David.
	It's healed, or healing, I would say.
	Just be completely frank with you about that.
	But before that, it's fucking well becoming a criminal at this point.
	So it was very difficult.
	Miliband, no one cares about you.
	That's the problem.
	No one cares about your policies because they sound like bullshit.
	I believe I'm the right person to be prime minister.
	And I thought it when I stood in.
	I don't think if I was running for politicians to be a politician, if I was running for an office, I don't think the words, I care deeply about this country, would ever come out of my mouth.
	I would assume he would know that, because I was roaming for office.
	What's your question?
	Alan.
	Mr. Miliband, do you think socialism remains an important and evident Labour Party value?
	If so, why and how?
	Well, I call it democratic socialism.
	That's what's on our party card, Lynn.
	Yes, is the answer because I'll fuck it.
	Hang on, the potatoes for now.
	I believe in a fairer, more equal society.
	Now, a fair and more equal society.
	That's not an empty fucking phrase, is it?
	Now, what does it mean today?
	And it goes back to the question that this lady asked, which is what I see in Britain.
	And you know, this is the thing that countries all around the world are grappling with.
	This is a central question we face.
	Are we going to be countries that work for the richest and most powerful?
	This is what America is facing, President Obama as well.
	Someone's like, bring back Blair.
	At least he smiled when he bullshit you.
	I can't remember what I saw Blair on the other day.
	Is everyone on how to take the rules?
	He was being interviewed on TV.
	And he looked like a man who hasn't slept in about 10 years.
	His teeth seemed kind of pointy.
	His eyes were bloodshot and red, and he looked like a bit of a fucking demon, to be honest.
	Hang on a minute.
	This country was supposed to work for me.
	Why doesn't it work for me anymore?
	I'm doing what everyone tells me I should do.
	So that's what democratic socialism means: a fairer and more equal society, making this country work for working people again.
	What do you think, Lynn?
	I think that they need to be revisited.
	Those values within the Labour Party currently.
	It needs to be reaffirmed.
	We thought that it would.
	You've got your hand up there just here in the second row.
	You just wanted to ask a quick follow-up question.
	What's your name?
	Can you just wait for the microphone?
	There we go.
	You've got it now.
	He isn't these fuckers.
	How are you going to be different from Nick Clegg and their broken promises or David Cameron's broken promises?
	Are you just going to see sugarcane things and sweeten things up so we can vote for you?
	No.
	Or are you actually going to give us some security and actually follow through your promises?
	I'm actually genuinely quite impressed with the audience.
	Let me give you a very specific example that goes back to this point about tuition fees.
	Look, in 2011, I said I wanted to cut the tuition fee to £6,000, right?
	And then as the parliament wore on, some people said, ah, Miliband's going to break his promise just like Clegg did.
	No, no, no.
	Blair's a demon.
	Miliband is made of plasticine.
	I'm going to do it.
	I've shown how I'll pay for it.
	And I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do, but I'm also doing it for another weak reason.
	Because trust in politics is so important.
	It's so important we need trust.
	I sometimes have to do this to under-promise and over-deliver, not over-promise and under-deliver.
	I'll come back in five years to be prime minister and you can tell me whether I've achieved it or not.
	Is there any chance we can vote for Vladimir Putin?
	I've tried to set out some promises that I know I can keep.
	Interesting.
	I agree.
	The audience space is just like.
	So we asked Matthew Brown in the first half of our terrible debate, so it's only fair to put the same question to you.
	What do you think are David Cameron's best qualities, given that you have chickens?
	Don't ask him difficult questions.
	I'd like to say two things about what David Cameron has achieved as Prime Minister, which I admire.
	First, he's commitment to equal marriage.
	That was hard in his party.
	If it's the right thing to do for the country.
	And second, and this isn't going to be universally popular, his commitment on overseas development and 0.7%.
	And now, there'll be some people who don't like me saying that, but he took a risk in the Conservative Party by saying this is the right thing to do.
	And he's kept to that.
	And I think it's right that he did.
	So I think he's a decent enough bloke there.
	Do you have a pipe with him?
	I don't know whether we'd have a pipe.
	It's hard.
	Look, it's hard when, you know, we share a bacon sandwich or something.
	No, look, you know, it's hard when...
	Fucking hell, Miliband's not very good, do you, are you?
	You see me and him shouting at each other at Prime Minister's questions, and it's not very edifying.
	Let's be honest, not a great advert to politics.
	But as he said earlier, it's hard to avoid the back and forth.
	Okay, let's bring it up.
	Fuck off.
	I actually really like the fact that our politicians go hammering tongs at each other.
	That's the only thing about political systems.
	You've made it quite difficult for your supporters and for people that are undecided.
	Okay, it's not a great start.
	Well, the reason is that you've had a few gavs recently and you don't really seem to be said your party stands for.
	Okay.
	Well, meaning, you know, take places like Cressing Guardian, which is the Labour Council in Lambeth, or museum closures because of the declamation of Ort's budgets and austerity in general.
	Miliband totally was against Cameron.
	That's because Cameron's the leader.
	Miliband is happening with the arsenal.
	Our spending plans are very different from theirs for the future.
	They want cuts to eat bigger in the next three years than the last five.
	But let me go to the other point, which I think is implicit in your question about gas.
	So cool.
	Right?
	I'm not going to win a contest for who looks best eating a bacon sandwich.
	I think we can all agree about that.
	We can agree that not happy with your answer.
	They're shaking heads and all sorts of things.
	Can we get a microphone there, sir?
	I'll try to make this one point and then I'll go ahead and hear what you say.
	Ideas to change the country, principles, sticking to your principles when you've got powerful opponents like the energy companies or the banks or Rupert Merle, and frankly, decency.
	See, now that is the closest thing we've had to honestly, the energy companies and the banks.
	These are the things we should actually be talking about.
	Okay, and you talk about austerity to us, but the reason there's austerity is because all the money was spent, everything was thrown away, nothing was planned for a rainy day.
	And all I hear is you say, well, it was a global economy and it was a global crisis, yes.
	But the liberalization of the banks and everything came from your party.
	And what I want to know, what I want to know is: if you're going to vote Labour, can you promise us that you've learned from the mistakes that led to the mess that we're now in?
	Would it matter if you promised anything?
	Let me be very specific on that, Tip.
	We were wrong.
	Sorry, David.
	We were wrong on the regulation of the banks.
	We got it wrong.
	The banks were under them.
	Along with countries all around the world and regulators around the world.
	I'm sorry we got it wrong.
	And we're going to learn from that.
	And I believe I have learned from that in my five years as Miliband.
	I'm sorry, mate.
	I don't think you're a bad guy.
	He absolutely is.
	Underneath the Lizard skin.
	He was the first person to say I really don't see Miliband getting elected.
	I know that it's awful, I know it's shallow, but you need to have some sort of charisma.
	You need to kind of look like a leader.
	Let me say something else.
	The banks have got to work better for our businesses.
	That is a problem that goes back decades.
	These historic problems that we've got to solve.
	Okay, let me just for the final question from Andy Palmer.
	And he's saying, why is Labour only neck and neck with the Conservatives in the opinion polls after five years of opposition?
	Sky News Polar Polls today.
	279 seats for you, 278 for the Conservatives.
	You'd be steaming ahead, and you're not.
	Why?
	Look, I take an old-fashioned view on this, which is let's let the people decide in six weeks' time, Kay.
	I'm not a commentator.
	Look, we were coming out of government for 20%.
	Well, I am a commentator on Miliband, and I can tell you exactly why it is.
	It's because you're fundamentally unlikable.
	No one likes looking at your face.
	Looking at your face makes people uncomfortable.
	18 minutes.
	Go.
	Thank you very much.
	Everyone's pleased.
	Thank you all very much, thank you.
	Not finished just yet though.
	Coming next, we're going to go to the bands head to head with Jeremy Patsman.
	That's going to be worth watching.
	Stay tuned.
	Okay, guys.
	There is an advert break.
	So, I'm going to do is I'm going to mute it, run off, and grab a cup of tea.
	So five minutes.
	Sorry about the delay here.
	Yeah, sorry about that, guys.
	Let's go get a cup of tea and it's still adverts.
	Aha!
	Now is the Labour leader, Ed Miliban.
	Ed Miliban, do you think Britain is full?
	I wouldn't describe it that way, no.
	I think we've got very high levels of migration.
	I think that we do need to try and get those levels of migration down, particularly low-skills.
	Because they're too high now.
	Yeah, but I'm telling you what the brain will, I'm not going to make a false promise on this because David Cameron did make that promise on the tens of thousands.
	You've got four false promises on immigration, haven't you?
	Me personally.
	Your government.
	Yeah, we've got it far.
	We got it wrong.
	You broke it completely.
	We got it wrong, yeah.
	Your figures were five.
	Damn it, Miliban.
	Speak up.
	Let me say two things though, Balance, which are important.
	Okay, you can't.
	No, I just want to just make a point about immigration.
	You asked me a question.
	Taxma is pretty good, to be fair.
	I think that we benefit from our diversity.
	Immigrants over the years have made a big contribution to our country, but we do need proper controls.
	Let me just say this, Jeremy.
	A Labour government would say that if people come here, they can't get benefits for the first two years, and we will do something else.
	I'm not sure.
	We're not talking about benefits.
	But you're talking about immigration.
	I'm talking about numbers.
	Right.
	And let me tell you, the way we will...
	Supposing we got to a figure of 17 million in 10 or 15 years population in this country, is that acceptable?
	I'm not going to get into your hypotheticals.
	Let me say, I think we can get low-skilled migration down.
	I'm not going to stop speculating about numbers.
	No, I'm not saying that.
	75 million?
	80 million?
	95 million?
	100 million?
	Let me say what I'm going to do.
	Let me say what I'm going to do because that's what matters rather than speculating about figures.
	I want to get low-skilled migration down.
	I think the controls we're talking about, not just on benefits, but on stopping the undercutting of wages, because people are being brought into the country to undermine the minimum wage and various other things.
	I think they will help to get low-skilled migration down.
	But if what you're saying to me is would it be better for our country, for example, to withdraw from the European Union?
	I haven't mentioned the European Union.
	You're making up a question to yourself.
	I'm saying there's a big choice at this election, Jeremy.
	There is a choice at this election.
	I believe that we can bring in controls of the United States.
	I don't even mean saying anything.
	I'm not going to make false promises or put forward false thoughts.
	No one didn't put the milk in first fucking leave.
	There's any natural limit to the population of this country.
	And I'm not going to get drawn into a speculation about a number.
	You don't think there is a natural limit?
	Of course there are limits, but the limits are expressed.
	The limits are expressed in the decisions you take year by year.
	And I've explained some of the decisions that I will make.
	So as it seems to you now, there is no figure that you're willing to share with the public.
	I'm not going to pluck a figure out in the air about the correct level.
	But I assume you've thought about it.
	Yeah, I've thought about the right thing to do on migration.
	And we need to have controls on migration.
	And I've explained some of those, but I'm not going to pluck a figure out.
	Now, you've already conceded.
	I'm just listening to it.
	It got immigration completely wrong.
	You were predicting figures of between 5 and 13,000 immigrants a year from the expansion of the EU in 2004.
	And actually, something like 400,000 people came in.
	That's the entire population of Malta equivalent.
	What else did that government do wrong when you were last in power?
	I think there's two things that I would mention in addition to that.
	By the way, I'm proud of many of the things we did, but two things I would mention.
	First of all, I think we were too relaxed about inequality.
	I think the gap got lots of people fell behind.
	Did you borrow too much?
	I think that the global financial crisis, I think the global financial crisis is what drove borrowing up.
	The figure was too high by the end of our time as a result of the global financial crisis.
	Well, I'm saying the figure was too high as a result of the global financial crisis.
	I think there were spending programs that maybe weren't as good as they could have been, but I don't believe no.
	I don't believe.
	No, there's no clue.
	No, it's an important point.
	Look, it's an important point.
	No government gets it completely.
	It's a very important point.
	That's why it's important to have some details.
	Fucking old Miliband.
	I think the overall point of the financial crisis caused by overspending by Labour?
	the answer is no i think investment in health again you're asking yourself a question i haven't asked you My question was, did you borrow too much?
	You think, no, you didn't borrow too much.
	Did you spend it?
	For fuck's sake, Miliband, there's nothing wrong with saying yes.
	The previous Labour government borrowed too much.
	They fucking did.
	Questions you've been asked rather than questions you've asked yourself.
	What I would say is, for example, the dome was not a good example of the way money is been.
	Fuck's sake, Miliband.
	My potatoes are angry at you.
	Jesus Christ.
	Governments make mistakes.
	Governments make mistakes.
	There are always inefficiencies in government.
	Of course, there are inefficiencies.
	Probably too many reorganizations have published.
	But I'm talking about the overall picture, Jeremy.
	The other thing I'd say to you is: look, let's talk about the future because there's a fix.
	Right, okay.
	Let's talk about the future because virtually every single one of your forecasts on the future of the economy during this present government has been wrong, hasn't it?
	You forecast that unemployment would rise, you forecast that wages would fall.
	At one point, I think you even forecast that inflation would rise.
	Inflation is now at zero.
	Wages have fallen.
	People are £1,600 a year worse off than they were when this government came to power.
	It's the worst record on living standards since the 1920s.
	And that is the argument of this election.
	Look, David Cameron wants to say, well, hang on a minute.
	You asked about wages.
	You said I was wrong that wages had fallen.
	I said forecasts were wrong.
	No, you said that I forecast that wages would fall, Jeremy.
	And they did, yes.
	And I was right, right?
	They did fall.
	They said they'd always be right on unemployment.
	Well, you asked me about wages.
	I didn't.
	I asked you three things.
	I mentioned three things.
	Unemployment.
	I mentioned wage levels and I mentioned in unemployment, I was quoting the Office of Budget Responsibility forecast.
	Now, as it turned out, that forecast turned out to be wrong.
	But look, let's go to the big picture here.
	The big picture is of this election.
	Do we think the economy is things?
	David Cameron was on earlier.
	He says things are good, right?
	And things are fine.
	I don't think things are fine for the reasons that I set out in the town meeting earlier on.
	Because I think we are too much based on low wages.
	I think work is too institutional.
	Jesus, guys.
	Maybe we should call an end to this.
	Maybe we should phone in and be like, look, Channel 4, you're going to have to stop because I don't like watching a man getting raped in real time.
	Jesus.
	And we set out some of those cuts, like the winter fuel allowance for pensioners earning with incomes over £42,000 a year.
	We've talked about the ways in which we will cut money from through efficiencies in the police, in local government.
	said for example that child benefit will be restricted to one percent we said we'll we'll reverse the what does that come to well the The figure is at least hundreds of millions, more than £100 million.
	But look, that's not the point.
	Because let me explain.
	We're going to make, we're going to have to make these decisions when we're in government.
	But I've got to set out an overall approach.
	And I have set out an overall approach.
	I've set an overall approach which says, as I said earlier, it's about fair taxes.
	It's about, I'm a Labour leader going into the election, saying we're going to reduce spending outside of small minority areas.
	Tony Blair never went into an election saying that.
	What Tony Blair did is Tony Blair's affair, isn't it?
	It's a point about...
	Tony Blair did.
	Like him or not, I'm not denying the need.
	Does the spending be greater?
	No, it would fall.
	They don't borrow more than the Tories.
	There are going to be reductions outside the protected departments.
	We're going to be reducing spending.
	Yes, I'm talking about overall spending.
	Overall spending would not increase, it would decrease.
	Yeah, it definitely needs to save space.
	Likely.
	It's a bit of a weasel word, really, isn't it?
	No, I'm setting out how to do it.
	It is a weasel word, Jesus.
	This is why Panixman is Panixman and Miliband is getting more penetrated.
	Let's take energy policy.
	Now, you used to believe that raising energy bills is a great way of helping the environment.
	Now you believe in cutting energy bills.
	Now you believe people on the side.
	That's the thing.
	Getting people to have a better deal on the consumption of oil and gas is better for the environment.
	I never said that raising energy bills was a way to solve climate change.
	Let me explain.
	Well, let me explain.
	Look, I always said of the world's energy secretary that there will be upward pressures on bills as a result of the need to transition to a green economy.
	But I also said that we need to make sure the energy market was fair.
	And you can't use climate change as an excuse for ripping off the consumer.
	And that is what's been happening with the energy companies.
	Look, it goes to another big choice of this election.
	Who's actually going to stand up to the energy companies and say, we are going to freeze bills until 2017 so prices can only fall.
	We are going to give the regulator powers to cut prices so that actually wholesale price reductions get passed on.
	I'm sure there are upward pressures on bills in the long run, but that makes it all the more important that you reform the market to make it fair.
	Can you help us with another of your policies, the mansion tax?
	According to your leader in Scotland, this is a way of taking money out of the southeast of England and giving it to Scotland.
	That is what he said.
	No, it isn't.
	No, it isn't what he said.
	Well, he said specifically there weren't enough properties in Scotland.
	I wish I had something to say, but I'm just laughing.
	Panks were slapping Miliband in the face with his car.
	Taking money from the southeast of England, Scott.
	Should I explain?
	Do, please.
	So we're going to levy the mansion tax on homes above £2 million.
	Now, it is true that most of those homes are in the southeast.
	And it's also true that there are consequentials of that spending for Scotland.
	That's the way the United Kingdom works.
	Consequentials.
	Well, it's the way that money gets distributed.
	And that some of that money will be spent here is making sense.
	This is part of being a United Kingdom.
	If there are young people who are unemployed in Newcastle and the money for a banker's bonus tax, some of more of it is raised in London, we help those young people in Newcastle.
	If another tax falls somewhere else, then we help people across the United Kingdom.
	If there are poor kids in London, we help them.
	So that is part of being a United Kingdom.
	You have redistribution across the United Kingdom.
	So this is absolutely a principle of a country that stays together and looks after each other.
	What about Alex Samburg?
	That is fair enough.
	Types of blood money that he would like to exempt or exert from England.
	What about, for example, a promise not to recommission tribe but perhaps move it out of Scotland?
	Would you go along with that?
	No.
	No, you would.
	What about getting the way the Russians again rail line back to front, as it were, in Scotland?
	No, look, I'm not going to get into a bargaining game with Alex Samadhi.
	He's not.
	No, I'm not.
	You are.
	If you have any chance of forming a government, you will, won't you?
	No, don't be so presumptuous.
	You've got six weeks to go.
	You've got six weeks to go.
	You don't get to decide the election results six weeks before the general election.
	You're important, Jeremy, but not that important.
	It's a price.
	I don't want to decide.
	No, come on.
	Oh, that's pretty good, Miliband.
	Okay, good.
	There are British people.
	No, no, let me finish the point.
	It's the British people.
	Absolutely right.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, you can't, Miliband.
	You absolutely can't.
	In that event, you would be leader of our country.
	You know what people.
	Jeremy Clarkson has got more of a chance than you do, Miliband.
	But you can't be immune to it.
	A bloke on the tube said to me last week, Ed Miliband goes into a room with Vladimir Putin.
	The door is closed.
	Two minutes later, the door is opened again.
	Vladimir Putin is standing there smiling, and Ed Miliband is all over the floor in pieces.
	No, it wasn't.
	Do you think that's any different with Cameron, though?
	But that's rather unfair to him.
	It is unfair.
	But you understand what the point is here.
	The point is, people think you're just not tough enough.
	Well, let me tell you, right?
	Let me tell you.
	Go on, Miliband.
	Let me tell you.
	Everyone's understanding.
	In the summer of 2013, this government proposed action in Syria, the bombing of Syria.
	Right?
	I was called into a room by David Cameron and Nick Clegg, whose President Obama had been on the phone, the leader of the free world, right?
	I listened to what they said.
	They homies.
	And over those days, I made up my mind and we said no, right?
	Now, I think standing up to the leader of the free world, I think, shows a certain toughness.
	What's happened in Syria since?
	I'm not proud of it.
	No, it's a failure of the international community.
	But what I'm not going to do is repeat the mistakes of the 2003 Iraq war.
	I think it would have been worse if we just started indiscriminately bombing Syria, to be honest.
	Without knowing what your strategy is and without being clear about what the consequences would be.
	I'm not a pacifist.
	I've got to say, as hilarious as it is, watching Miliband try and act tough.
	I think he's in the right here.
	I actually think he's in the right here.
	Talked about how I supported action against ISIS.
	But am I tough enough?
	Tough enough?
	Hell yes, I'm tough enough.
	My nanny says I'm tough enough.
	How is it that you are less popular than your party?
	That even your own pleased consider you a reliability.
	How does that happen?
	Snap.
	Look, I don't commentate on these things.
	I don't commentate on these things.
	No, I definitely don't think that.
	Do you read that yourself?
	Well, if I can avoid it.
	Exactly, exactly.
	Then you make my point for me.
	Look, I worry about myself as hard till the general election.
	You know, sometimes you mean the people at home will make up their mind about me and about the country and what kind of country they want.
	But, you know, frankly, it is water off a duck's back.
	Honestly.
	Because Simon Danchuk says, I find when I go and stand on the doorstep, Ed Miliband is a liability.
	You are unaware of that?
	Simon Danchuk is taking to his views.
	The only thing I can do, the thing I most in this job, let me tell you, is to be yourself, right?
	That's what I am.
	And, you know, people have to decide.
	Do they want my ideas?
	That's why people don't really like you.
	When I stood up to not just the President Obama, but Rupert Murdoch, the energy companies, the banks, fighting for ordinary people, which is what I believe in and what I came into politics for.
	And do they want somebody who will think every day about how they put working people first in our country?
	And you know, I don't care what the newspapers write about me because what I care about.
	I'd be more than happy to do something like this for the US presidential debate.
	And that's what I came into politics for.
	And newspapers can write what they like.
	The bloke on the tube can say what he likes.
	I don't care.
	I don't care about the British people and what happens to them.
	The thing is, they see you as a North London geek.
	Who cares?
	Yes, who does?
	Well, it was mentioned earlier by a member of the audience.
	Yes, a lot of people, when they look at your candidacy for the most powerful job in the land, they look at you and they think, what a shame it's not his brother.
	Well, that's horrible, Paxon.
	I mean, don't get me wrong.
	Might be true.
	Of course it is.
	No, exactly.
	You know, that is pretty mean.
	I mean, you know, he can't be someone else.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I'm not saying he's the right person for the job, but now I'm starting to feel fucking sorry for him.
	And I've been underestimated at every turn.
	People said I wouldn't become leader, and I did.
	People said four years ago, you can't become prime minister.
	I think I can.
	You're saying I can't win a majority.
	I think I can.
	So let people underestimate me.
	But what I care about is what is happening to the British people in their lives.
	And I think I can change it.
	And I know I'm the right man for the job.
	That's why I'm sitting here.
	And that's why I believe that I'm the best choice to be Prime Minister.
	Thank you.
	You're okay, Ed.
	You alright?
	Yeah.
	You.
	Jesus said, you look like you're about to cry.
	Jesus.
	Oh, God.
	Miliband got so fucking raped there, guys.
	I know I'm going soft, but.
	Oh, I'm going to mute the adverts and stuff.
	I know I'm kind of going soft, but good God, he just got absolutely.
	Oh, God, that was.
	That was just painful, wasn't it?
	I was.
	Oh, God.
	I know, I know, but I didn't think he was going to get so absolutely raped.
	So just demolished.
	And the thing is, I was actually suddenly realized that Miliband is the underdog, you know.
	Miliband, he's just born the underdog in every way.
	So I guess I was kind of it's it's completely in the British character to root for the underdog.
	It really is.
	And it honestly, I was actually finding myself kind of rooting from there just to strike back at Paxman just because he was getting so bitch slap.
	Good God.
	Sangon, which fictional character would I want as my leader?
	Sauron, probably.
	He gets shit done.
	I mean, what do you think unemployment under Sauron was like?
	Probably pretty low.
	You know, there were probably quite a lot of orcs sat around doing nothing until suddenly they were drafted into an army and sent on a rampage of conquest.
	Yeah, Xby says this is what happens when your rhetoric has got the substance of space.
	It's like, yeah, well, that's true.
	If he had been, if he had been slightly, well, just slightly less vague.
	You know, that's the thing, isn't it?
	It was just traditional political bullshit.
	And like with Paxon, I really think people are actually starting to get to the point where, I mean, this has got diminishing returns, you know?
	I mean, Cameron was at least.
	I wish I'd managed to get this fucking working to catch Cameron's bit.
	But Cameron was at least slightly more ballsy.
	But yeah, just I don't know.
	The tea's pretty good.
	I've actually got a thermos cup of some sort and it keeps it hot for ages.
	So it's bloody awesome.
	Sarah Mandela White, yeah, exactly.
	Sarah Mandela White for Deputy Prime Minister.
	I sat around with good Keynesian.
	Yeah, I can probably, if someone can find me a link to stream, I can probably do the same thing for the American elections.
	I'm a little less well-versed on American politics, but I don't think I'm too bad.
	I try to stay broadly informed.
	So, I mean, you guys probably have to help me out a lot.
	But I don't think I'd be too bad.
	I mean, the interesting one next time is that Obama can't run again, can he?
	So, I mean, you guys are just going to get Hillary Clinton.
	You're going to get Hillary Clinton.
	Ted Cruz, is he the guy who's running opposed to Clinton or will be running opposed to the Democrat candidate?
	Because if he is, are you sure that there isn't a conspiracy in your government to put up the most useless person opposite Clinton?
	Because honestly, he fucking looks like it.
	If that's the case, I might be wrong.
	I haven't looked into it.
	I've just seen people mocking him around the internet, and I assume that he's probably the conservative candidate.
	Twitter's exploding over Miliband, aren't they?
	What are they saying about Miliband?
	So, oh, Ted Cruz is Canadian.
	sorry you're gonna have to there's The comments are going really fast.
	Right, so Ted Cruz is running opposite Hillary, or he will be running against Hillary for the Republicans, yeah?
	Because there's no, he's like an American version of Ed Miliband.
	He's totally unlikable in every way.
	Why the fuck would they put him up?
	Okay, I'm admitted that his relationship with his brother is still healing.
	Earlier, the Prime Minister told me that he could never exist on a zero-hours contract, and Ed Miliband conceded that the previous Labour government put it wrong on immigration.
	Now, don't forget there are three more big leaders' events in the run-up to polling day.
	First off, it's the IGB leaders' debate with seven party leaders, including both the men that were here this evening.
	That's next Thursday at 8 o'clock on ITV1.
	And two weeks later, it's the BBC election debate 2015.
	That'll feature the five main challenges to the coalition leaders.
	That's on BBC One, eight o'clock on Thursday.
	Zen Astral 2016.
	And Nick Clegg.
	That's on BBC One on Thursday, the 30th of April.
	Thank you to both David and Ed Miliband for taking part in this first leaders' event.
	So, thank you for watching, and thanks to our studio audience.
	Thank you.
	Hmm.
	Okay, I'll stop streaming.
	Well, that was interesting, wasn't it?
	I hope you guys are enjoying that, and I hope that it sounded okay.
	Yeah, I know that you guys haven't had your primaries yet and whatnot, but you know, it's I think he's trying to put himself forward as some viable candidate, isn't he?
	I should get someone else in here to talk to me, shouldn't I?
	Really?
	Because otherwise, it's me talking to the chat and oh shit.
	Oh, now I'm following Ed Miliband on Twitter.
	For fuck's sake.
	So, yeah, on Twitter, I mean, people are like, oh, yeah, Miliband did really well.
	It's like, did he do really well, though?
	Did he?
	I mean, I people like Ed Miliband's like, hell yes, I'm tough enough.
	It's like, yeah, yeah, taken out of context, that seems kind of badass, doesn't it?
	But if you put it in context, I'll share my screen again, actually, Han.
	Yeah, if you put it in context, suddenly it just looks like he was getting penetrated.
	Yeah, it does make me notice you if you type in all caps.
	I'd love to bring in IA.
	He strikes me as the sort of guy who probably can talk about politics, and I would absolutely adore having a conversation about politics with him.
	Honestly, I tell you what, I've got a funny feeling that he'll be back soon.
	I'm sure that I saw a video of him that is, well, that is apparently a channel that he'll be starting.
	I don't know anything about it or anything like that, but you know, it claimed that it was going to be doing Tumblrisms and all this sort of stuff.
	So hopefully that is him coming back.
	And I tell you what, I fucking can't wait.
	I literally went through the entire Internet Aristocrat archive of the day.
	Just literally video after video.
	He's just so fucking listenable to.
	It is just honestly, I so I can't wait to fucking even.
	I don't care if he talks about Gaming Gate or not.
	want to listen to him fucking talking about shit and laugh at it you know um what team are drinking PG Tips, if you know.
	What do I think about Alex Salmond as a politician?
	I think Alex Salmond's done, isn't he?
	His whole career was hinging on the Independent Scotland, and that didn't happen.
	And so, boom, done.
	So what party interests me the most?
	Honestly, I don't.
	The thing is, I don't vote for any of these people because if I were to vote for any of them, then I would be complicit in a system that allowed people to vote for these people.
	And honestly, I think that they're all fucking useless.
	Am I tough?
	No, probably not.
	It depends if I've got to.
	I mean, if I had to actually fight someone, probably not.
	Maybe if it was, what's his name?
	Richard Stanton, I'd probably take him though.
	Probably because I'm fatter than him, so I just fall on him.
	I'm quite good at wrestling, actually.
	I was pretty good at wrestling.
	I haven't done that for a few years.
	But I mean, like, wrestling in the gay way.
	Yeah, in fact, yeah.
	I will see if Milo's around.
	See, he's probably got a life.
	He's probably doing things.
	Yeah, he doesn't seem like he's around.
	Don't send me pictures of Ed Miliband, for fuck's sake.
	Fucking hell, Sargon vs. Pussin.
	Jesus.
	I don't want to get killed.
	Diogenes, I tell you what, the reason I didn't tell the BBC my actual name was just because I wanted them to introduce me as Sargon because it was just funny.
	Just, what are you going to do?
	You've got to call me that now.
	And I love just the way that they're just feeling really, really awkward about it.
	If Milo's around, fucking...
	Don't clap, folks.
	It's kind of triggering.
	Jazz hands, please.
	If Milo's around, I'd definitely have one to talk about that because I'm sure that he'd be interested.
	Hang on.
	Just messaged him.
	See if he's...
	Wasn't he good on that debate the other day?
	Just fucking...
	Calm down, darling.
	Careful which links I open live.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Oh, yeah, I forgot I'm sharing my screen.
	Oh, and you get to see what happens behind the curtain.
	god ed miller man what is what is your boggle Ed Miliband just got bitched out by Rupert Murdock.
	Thanks for two mentions, Ed.
	We only met once for all of two minutes when you embarrassed me with over-the-top flattery.
	Well, of course he was.
	He was sucking you off.
	Milo, I hate to say it, but Miliband won overall.
	Paxo pushed it too far and looked like a bully.
	He did push it too far and he did absolutely demolish his rectum.
	But the problem is I don't think that means Miliband won by losing.
	It just made Miliband look weak as shit, I think.
	I mean, Christ got company covering over, unfortunately.
	Which is a shame because I would love to have had him on to talk about this.
	His Twitter feed is actually really interesting with all this.
	Because he follows a lot of people I don't follow.
	Because frankly, fuck's sake, I can't follow everyone.
	You know what I mean?
	Sagong why you know play pillars.
	What the fuck's pillars?
	What the hell's going on in Scandinavia?
	Well, probably castrations.
	Why?
	Oh, that African game.
	Yeah, it looked lovely, doesn't it?
	Really good-looking game, and that's exactly what people want.
	It's, you know, make you the fucking games that you want to make.
	They're not going to be happy.
	It's going to come out and they're going to be like, oh, this is cultural appropriation.
	This is this, that is that.
	And they are going to be fucking pissy about it.
	It looks like Milo can't make it.
	I'll arrange a meet-up with Milo and hang out with Milo at some point in the future, though, guys.
	Definitely will.
	Right, so on to Jesus Christ, everyone.
	Yeah, Miliband lost so hard he won, apparently.
	Alright, so Ted can't run because, yeah, because, right, I didn't realise he wasn't a natural born citizen.
	Um, let's see, I'm not especially au fae about uh um okay, I don't know who to get on, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Milo doesn't do anything apart from that.
	All right, okay.
	Um, let me see.
	I wonder if I can get Ed Miller band on, okay.
	And anyone that I already follow messaging me, uh, Brandon Moss.
	I've heard some things about the EU, and none of them could pass because there's not really that much good about the EU.
	Um, yeah, Teal Deer was around.
	I talked to him.
	See, all you people are...
	Oh, well, sorry, I'm not watching it.
	Well, get to meet Sarkeesi now.
	What are the fucking odds?
	What are the odds?
	I mean, if you, if I tell you what, guys, if anyone could make that happen, I would be there in a heartbeat.
	You know, the blue son's Christian, I'm like, well, it might be, yeah, I'm gonna set some it with Milo for next week.
	Um, whenever he's free, and we'll have a nice, good junk of time.
	We'll be able to have a nice chat.
	And tomorrow, yeah, yeah, you did this.
	I can't read between that.
	Uh, yeah, so next week we'll have a nice, um, a nice chat.
	Um, I'd like to get someone British on so we can talk British politics because he's, you know, we've just been watching it, so it would make I tell you what, Daniel Hannon, I would I would love to get Daniel Hannon on, I would absolutely love it.
	Um, I don't really have to contact him, though.
	If anyone can like ask him, then please absolutely.
	I am a massive fan of Daniel Hannon.
	The man is such a wonderful orator.
	It just honestly, I could I could listen to him talk in that video where he bitches out Gordon Brown in front of the entire EU.
	Boom!
	Christ on a bike.
	That's just priceless.
	Yeah, I'd love to get I on, but I can't.
	Okay, Tristan, I'm going to send you the thing.
	So you better fucking be around.
	Total biscuit.
	Yeah.
	Again, I'd love to get Total Bisco on, but you guys, I think you kind of forget I'm small fry.
	You know, I'm small.
	These people are enormous.
	And they, you know, I'm down in the dirt with the plebs.
	So get Putin on.
	I'd love to.
	I don't think he speaks English, does he?
	Which is a shame because my Russian isn't good.
	I asked Goodfellow if he wanted to join me and he was busy apparently.
	So, yeah.
	Pack on up.
	I'd love to get Pat Condell on as well.
	Pat Condell would definitely be.
	I'm Thunderfoot.
	Well, I sent some motherfucker a fucking link to the podcast and he didn't come on.
	Son of a bitch.
	I don't know whether you guys can see this.
	Hang on.
	I'll do it on this one.
	Someone's linked to sexism in Japanese pop culture.
	Yeah, that's.
	This kit is going to be pretty fucking awesome, isn't it?
	Let's be fair.
	If there's one thing that Japanese pop culture is, it's sexist as shit.
	And that's the way I like Japanese culture.
	Chris Stern, I DM'd you a link to the Hangout.
	Fucking click it.
	Oh, if you didn't watch the debate, I'd know.
	Okay, someone from the chat fucking tweet me.
	For fuck's sake.
	Someone British who knows what they're talking about.
	Tweet me, for Christ's sake.
	Okay, Bluegale.
	See, this is me inviting randos on now.
	Get Ted Bundy on, Jesus.
	Is he still alive?
	I presume he was dead.
	Yeah, you really can't beat...
	I mean, I tell you what, I'm not even a fan of Japanese culture, really.
	It's all I don't know.
	I don't really understand it.
	I just.
	I'm just relaxing turn this down a bit.
	Hello.
	You seem to be muted.
	Hang on.
	Are you there?
	Come in.
	Hey, guys.
	You're right, man.
	How's it going?
	I'm alright.
	Yeah.
	I just got off from today's.
	You got today's what?
	Hang on, I'm going to plug my headphones in.
	Oh, I got my headphones in already.
	Yeah, I'm going to plug mine.
	What do I think about Clarkson getting sacked, guys?
	I think that...
	He's got Canal 4 or something, isn't he?
	You know, by the way, my laughter is very, very loud.
	So you guys, you have to, guys, you're going to have to bear with my laughter.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I will laugh at stupid shit.
	Well, okay, so why did you want to come on then?
	I just want to.
	I just basically started to realize that, like, why?
	Okay, I'm still.
	I saw that one article saying people are attacking Japan.
	Are they?
	Like, the one or I mean, the one question.
	Do you really think that?
	I was going to ask you, do you think Japan is sexist or no?
	Blatantly so, yeah.
	Oh.
	But I don't think that's necessarily a good or a bad thing.
	I think the Japanese don't really give a fuck.
	And honestly, it kind of warms my heart because I'm sick of everyone everywhere else giving such a fuck about it.
	Yeah.
	Just Jesus Christ, I'm just tired of it.
	There's clearly no kind of fucking detriment to it.
	I mean, what's the problem?
	There's no, you know, the crimes are all going down, rapes are all going down, sexual assaults are going down.
	So, you know, what the fuck's the problem?
	I've just like, I don't know.
	It's just like basically a lot of stupid.
	I don't know.
	It's just like I'm just wondering, that's all.
	Also, Sargon, what do you think about Chinese history?
	Like, the romance's Three Kingdoms?
	Yeah, not a huge amount, to be honest, because I am actually not very well versed in Chinese history.
	So, honestly, the problem is not that I'm not interested in it.
	The problem is just I can't remember the fucking names.
	So, yeah, but was there any particular reason you wanted to come on?
	Because what I'll do is I think I'll probably get like a few people one at a time on so I can.
	I was thinking of you getting me like some shitty article so I can freaking laugh on the fucking stream.
	Because I laugh like a fucking madman.
	I'm not sure that'll be amazing for people to watch.
	But honestly, I think you could probably do worse by just going to the Huffington Post.
	But that's what I'd recommend.
	But, yeah, so I'm going to ask you to head off and get someone in who knows about the politics that we were just watching so we can just test it.
	Okay.
	I just came back home, so.
	No, no, not at all, man.
	It's alright.
	But take easy, isn't it?
	I just came back.
	Yeah, well, just take care, man.
	Have a nice stream.
	I will.
	You too, man.
	Take it easy.
	Holy sh.
	Yeah, see ya.
	Bye.
	He's alright.
	Come on.
	For fuck's sake.
	Right.
	Okay, who else should I get into the chat?
	Who's around to get into the chat?
	Like, someone.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Matty, like, tweet me.
	It's their culture.
	Why should we care?
	Exactly.
	It's their fucking culture.
	I tell you what, I would actually, George Galloway, I think he's an interesting fellow, George Galloway.
	He's...
	I think he's a good debater.
	And he is a I think he's a very intelligent man.
	And I think that his heart's in the right place.
	So I would be interested in talking to George Galloway.
	But again, you've got to remember, I'm fucking nobody, so why would these people talk to me?
	Vote Odin, Jesus.
	Fucking hell.
	fuck is this um see the great thing about being british is i could politely ask people to fuck off and they will It's a skill.
	All British people are born with it.
	Putin speaks German.
	Well, that's no good to me, is it?
	I don't speak fucking German.
	well not much anyway um if she was around i'd care on the stream But she probably doesn't know politics, does she?
	I'll try and get Ed Miller band on.
	Hey, Ed, do you want to come on my stream?
	The problem of, yeah, most historical things are written long after the event.
	Getting Neil deGrasse Tyson.
	I would.
	And then I'd get Razorfist.
	And then I'd let them have it out.
	I don't really.
	Oh, I'd love to get Dawkins on.
	Jesus.
	Can you even imagine?
	But the thing is, he actually defended me on Twitter the other day, he said someone, I had said something and I was correct.
	And the guy had said, oh, it wasn't Newton who wrote Principia Mathematica, you moron.
	It actually was.
	I just shortened the name of it to, it was Principia Naturalis Principica Mathematica or something like that.
	And Dawkins gave him the whole thing.
	He was like, why do you have to be so rude?
	And I'm sadly thinking, it's lovely that you're kind of defending it, but man, I'm a twat of all the people who doesn't deserve to be defended.
	um so yeah just uh i'm getting sam mccalf on Yeah, I like that long-haired guitar guy.
	He was alright, wasn't he?
	You guys probably remember him.
	Shit, wrong.
	Wrong fucking thing.
	He's British as well.
	So cool, Prince Charles.
	You know, I would literally talk to anything.
	I would get Zoe Quinn on if I could.
	Honestly, I swear to God, I would have no problem talking with anyone because, yeah, I'd get the Amazing Atheist on.
	But again, these people are all like way bigger than me.
	So, you know, it's, you know, Rebecca Watson, the warmongering, it's male genitals.
	Milo, I'll be doing a hangout with Milo next week.
	We're going to arrange something.
	Because I think it's absolutely worth doing a hangout with Milo.
	There's a lot we can talk about and we'll have lots of interesting things to say, I think.
	So, yeah, no, I'm actually looking forward to that.
	I've just sent Sam Metcalf the link.
	So hopefully, he'll be dropping in shortly.
	Yes, that is a picture of the amazing atheist eating a banana.
	No, I'm not commenting on it.
	I heard you need a mediator for German to British.
	I'd love to serve you if you actually get Putin.
	I would love for people to do that.
	But there is no way in hell.
	There is literally no way I'm ever going to get Vladimir Putin on my stream.
	Hello.
	Oh, hey, man.
	Hey, how's it going?
	I'm just wondering what I just watched.
	Did you watch that?
	The debate?
	It wasn't, was it?
	What did you think?
	Oh, I just when you saw just like Paxman there, I just thought it can't get any worse, but it just kept getting worse.
	Didn't it?
	I just didn't think everyone on Twitter thought, oh, Paxman looked like a bully.
	It's like, it's Jeremy Paxman, you know, everyone knows who he is, don't they?
	I mean, for fuck's sake.
	Yeah, I mean, he's pretty well known for just smack down of dog.
	Yeah, he bits the fuck out of anyone.
	I just thought, you know, I can just imagine being a Labour voter and just watching that and just tearing my eyes out.
	I actually can't.
	I genuinely, I can't imagine being a Labour voter.
	But imagine, that's the thing, isn't it?
	I mean, imagine, like, yeah, you're a Labour voter and you look and the head of your party is David Miliband.
	You'd be like, oh, fuck's sake, why am I voting for these people?
	And then you look at the Tories and you look at them, David Cameron, you'd be like, why am I voting for these people again?
	And then you look at any of the other ones and you look at them and think, why am I voting for any of these motherfuckers?
	And then it comes to the point where I just can't help but feel that the system at the moment, the people in it, are just there's not a one that I would waste my time getting out of my fucking house and going down and voting for.
	I mean, like, they don't, not only like do they not know anything about, like, don't know any economics, they don't know like anything about they're so disconnected from just average people, but they seem to think that they can lord it over everyone as well.
	And it's just like, oh, God, get over yourselves.
	Yeah, they, yeah, yeah.
	I think the problem is, like you say, they are disconnected.
	How many schools is it that they're from?
	It's Eton and what are some of the other ones?
	Oxbridge stuff.
	Yeah, the one that Clegg went to.
	But it's a tiny, tiny number of schools that they go to.
	And I think there's probably quite a lot of crossover, especially when they come out of these schools.
	And so, yeah, just, you know, they're very insulated.
	And they're taught politics as well.
	That's the thing.
	They've actually got politics courses rather than anything, you know, rather than just normal schooling.
	And so they're taught how to kind of manipulate the public.
	Like with the Linskyite tactics and all that.
	Exactly.
	But the thing is, I think that they're so disconnected from the actual, you know, the situation on the ground that I don't think it's working very well anymore.
	I think people are incredibly sceptical about...
	I mean, look at that audience in the thing, isn't it?
	Oh, they were one of my favourite parts.
	Who won the debate?
	Well, the audience did, actually.
	Nobody was Jeremy Paxman.
	Oh, God.
	And there was just like this one woman that I did see who, just this one bit, I can't remember.
	She was just smiling.
	I was just looking at her when Mad Millibrand just came.
	I was like, how could you not?
	I'd say I'd...
	I just.
	I know.
	I mean, Cameron's one.
	Did you see the bit with Cameron being interrogated by Paxman?
	I didn't.
	I just missed that bit.
	I couldn't get this working.
	Fuck's sake.
	Sorry, Skeptor's just calling me.
	Hang on.
	I'm going to send him a link to the fucking hangout.
	But yeah, he was giving him a good grilling.
	And Cameron, he was basically going over it, saying, you know, why the fuck haven't you done any of the things that you said you were going to do?
	And Cameron was just twisting in the wind, you know?
	Just looking...
	Oh, just looking bad, man.
	It was like...
	This is how it's going fast.
	Every time he's on the news and he's like, oh, we're gonna is one of the catchphrases, renegotiation before in the EU and all that stuff.
	And then every time he says, I just think, yeah, but you can't do that.
	I mean, like, there's how many countries that you have to vote against.
	Hello.
	You're a skeptic?
	Yeah, I'm here.
	Yeah, sorry, we're having to talk about British politics, so I thought I'd get an Israeli Jew on.
	Okay, great.
	Here we go.
	How the fuck are you keeping ignoring my messages?
	It's not that, mate.
	It's not I'm ignoring your messages.
	It's that I'm busy as shit, man.
	Man, I don't have time for shit.
	You're a father, you must know this.
	I know, I know.
	Did you get my gift already?
	I actually haven't, but I do need it's at the post office.
	I need to go get it.
	I see.
	I need to go get it.
	I will.
	I'll do it tomorrow.
	I'll do it tomorrow.
	So what are we talking about?
	Well, we're talking about British politics, actually.
	What do you know about British politics?
	I know that I've listened to Nigel Farage, and I think what I've heard from him is nice.
	It's nice.
	Oh, really?
	Because people are asking us to get Benjamin Netanyahu on.
	Is there any chance you could do that?
	Probably not.
	Probably not.
	But I can talk about that for ages.
	I can give you a whole perspective that you have never heard about that idiot.
	So what were you going to say, Sam?
	Oh, no.
	Like before.
	Yeah, yeah, just poor skeptical jumped in.
	The weasel words that are always used is the renegotiation and this vague terms that are used by the Conservative Party to get people to still support them for their and then he keeps saying it, but every time he says it, like it's been said enough times, and I've watched a huge amount of European Union Parliament stuff, and I'm thinking, you just can't do it.
	The people in the EU Parliament are just an oligarchy.
	There's no way that you can.
	Absolutely, and the thing is, what was the thing that they, oh shit, what was it, I can't remember the name of the thing, but it was some thousand page document or something, and they had to vote on it the next day.
	And they spent like an afternoon voting on it or something like that.
	It was really, really quick.
	It was all rusted.
	And I'm thinking, no one knows what that fucking contains.
	It's just like the American government.
	They do exactly the same shit.
	And they rush through shit.
	No one knows what it contains.
	And they're having votes on it.
	It's like, what is the point of voting for any of this?
	If you can't make an informed decision, you may as well make no decision at all, you know?
	Yeah, and there's like other stuff.
	You can see where the EU Parliament's in session and then so they have like two seconds to vote on each thing that's nominated.
	And then the guy I remember saying oh, we've got to do this quick, I can't remember who came up and said, you know how about you give us like a few seconds to you know?
	And he says oh we've, but they've got to get home in time for the train, or something like that, and it's just like, so voting on policy is based on and there's hardly anyone there but it's like based on the fact that people have to go.
	You, you would think that they would care a bit more about the laws that they're adding, and it's just like, no no, I've got to get home, sorry it's.
	And that that they I mean, are these the elected MEPs that we're talking about?
	Because You've got people like Barroso who aren't fucking elected for shit.
	I mean, do you even know who the president of the European Commission is?
	Oh, yeah, John Paul Juncker.
	Is it Juncker?
	I thought it was.
	I thought it was a different guy.
	Rompoi.
	He was gone, is he?
	Yeah, he's gone.
	Shit, see, I didn't even know.
	What's the new guy?
	He's this French guy that he's just kind of unelected.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's the problem, isn't it?
	It's funny because when they were electing him, right, this is the situation they had.
	So they had no other nominated candidates.
	None.
	They had one, and they had the ballot paper just like ticked next to Jean-Paul Juncker's name.
	It's like, yes, this is a great victory for democracy.
	I'm like, hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	You know, I didn't even know that.
	The thing about the EU is one of those things that I've been planning to really get stuck into at some point and just doing a complete deconstruction of just how it works.
	And I had no idea.
	Oh, you would have.
	They had an election with one person on the ballot.
	You would have an absolute field with these guys.
	Do you know how much he gets paid a month?
	I can imagine it's.
	24,000 euros a month.
	Oh, shit.
	I know.
	I know.
	A month.
	Oh, my God.
	And he was essentially unelected.
	He was elected by the MEPs or whatever.
	But there's no way that the public could get this guy removed if he was doing a bad job.
	The whole system is just fucking awful.
	It's just bankrupt.
	It's just.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like you said, a great victory for democracy.
	Jesus.
	What do you think about the EU, Skeptor?
	About the EU?
	Yeah.
	I think it should die.
	Really?
	Why?
	Because I don't think it works.
	Seriously, on everything I've seen, you know, especially, you know, how the EU is managing itself.
	It's not elected.
	It's a problem.
	And the way it manipulated Greece, you know, the problem with Greece.
	No.
	Yeah, they're just, you know, hijacked, financially, hijacked an entire country, you know.
	I'm actually quite impressed with what Greece is doing at the moment, which is essentially holding the EU to ransom.
	Oh, yeah, giving them the middle finger.
	But I read somewhere that actually the new guy, Siprat Sipra, I don't know how you pronounce his name.
	Which guy, sorry?
	The new elected government.
	Oh, Sariza or something.
	Yeah, Syriza.
	Yeah, but the name of the Minister of Finance over there.
	Yeah, he's a bit of a star, isn't he?
	Yeah, so this guy came to an agreement with the EU, with Germany, I think.
	Yeah, I think they have done.
	I haven't.
	Again, it's one of these things that I'm going to be looking up shortly, but I just haven't got around to it yet.
	So it was all about, you know, before he was elected, it was all about we're going to give the EU the finger and get, you know, get out of there and, you know, do what we want, and they can fuck off and stuff like that.
	And eventually, you know, they came to an agreement.
	So it doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like he will keep his word.
	So they are.
	I think it's because they have, you know, enough power to enough leverage to do that.
	Yeah, I'm actually.
	I mean, the thing is, that was that was the thing, isn't it?
	It's it's the precedent of a a state leaving the EU.
	Um and there's there's no way that the Germans or anyone else in the EU want that to happen.
	And so that was absolutely a massive bargaining chip for the Greek government.
	I agree.
	And they were brutal about it, weren't they?
	Yeah, but do you think s maybe there would be a point where one country would be such a liability that the EU would prefer to let it go rather than keep it, you know.
	I think they're kind of they're too stupid to realize that their expansionist ideas just are like I think it's just going to burn down before they realize it and they're going to be like Nero, you know?
	Maybe it will come from the people who are actually funding this, you know, because the German people are now funding Greece.
	Probably you guys as well.
	Well, yeah, without a doubt, but more the Germans.
	And they've got collateral.
	I'm just going to do some googling, so carry on.
	But I'm just going to find something.
	Yeah, I think one of the problems with the whole Greece situation is that they elected a guy that's basically a communist.
	Oh, he's he is actually a communist.
	Yeah.
	What's the guy's name?
	Tis how do you pronounce it?
	Alexis Tsparas or whatever?
	Tsiparas, yes, Tsiparas.
	He was actually part of the communist youth or something in the nineties.
	Yeah, they are extreme left.
	Yeah, communist youth of Greece.
	When we're talking extreme left, we're talking extreme left in European terms.
	Yeah, I mean, he's an actual communist.
	Yeah.
	You can never trust.
	It's like, God.
	No.
	Well, you can't trust any extreme, can you, really?
	They've got ideological agendas to pursue, so now what they tell you, if it's not in line with their ideology, it's probably not true.
	And the one thing that communists have got over like, you know, it takes a great leap of faith to become a communist after like, what, like, fifty-six to sixty-two million deaths in the Soviet Union.
	You know, it's not even the deaths that bother me.
	It's the complete.
	I mean, ask V Monroe.
	It's just like the stagnation of communism.
	Why don't you call him add him to the conversation?
	I should actually, shouldn't I?
	Yeah, I should do that because he has something to say about it.
	Yeah, yeah, he absolutely does.
	Oh, yeah, look at him.
	He's fucking messing me already.
	I'd love to defend the EU.
	Oh, fucking, of course you do, would you communist Gorbachev who said that you've recreated the USSR in Europe?
	Yeah, it it and it is pretty like when you look at the similarity kind of things, it's like a soft, you know, and it's soft version and it's like creeping totalitarianism, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	That's my issue with it.
	It's just oh, I fucking hate the EU.
	Right, I've just sent him a link, so he should be here in a minute.
	So tell me, do you have people who support the concept of EU?
	How many people in Europe support this concept?
	Um hello, V?
	No, he's not you.
	Um so um I think most of the middle to upper classes support um being in the EU.
	Um I don't think that they're necessarily thrilled with how it's going but um so why do they support the EU?
	What what is the reasoning behind it?
	I I actually I think I've figured it out a little bit.
	It's kind of because the.
	So you get some of the.
	Not I mean not all of the corporate business owners do this, not all of them, but I mean you get a few like Richard Branson and that, and the reason is because it's it's much, much easier with the EU'S regulations and whatnot to just make a monopoly and, you know, drown out any comp, because if you look in, if you look and you look at all of the, I guess you're just regulations they put in force that you know that nobody can change them and whatnot.
	It's much easier for them to be part of the EU as a big business because they have more ability to deal with huge amounts of regulatory crap basically.
	And you have all the small guys saying like we want to be out of the EU, we want to have less regulations in general.
	But the big businesses will generally vote for more regulation.
	And it's basically just one of those things where you know like, if you look at the DE Beers monopoly, you know the diamonds and all that, the reason that they were able to attain the monopoly if you do like a lot of research on it.
	Basically they had a bunch of friends in the government that were like hey, you know, could you let us do this and that?
	And eventually you know, because no monopoly can exist without, you know, government assistance in some form.
	And the DE Beers monopoly, like that's a pretty big example of one of those times.
	If anyone's wondering, that's a monopoly on diamonds in Africa to push up the price of diamonds, because diamonds are actually remarkably common and the price of diamonds has been artificially inflated for decades.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, and and the.
	There was one uh, I can't remember if this was a guy that was in South Africa who wanted to sell a certain type of diamond and they just flooded the market with them right, and they drove down the price of his diamonds and but they, they've only been able to gain control of so much of the supply with the huge cabal, and it's, oh no no it's it's, it's definitely it's one it's, it's an example, you know it's yeah, it's.
	How this can be done.
	You know that's the the important thing.
	Um, but V Monroe, hello Vi mate.
	Uh, thanks for uh inviting me, that's all right.
	Um, so you want to just defend communism then?
	Uh well, not really.
	Um, I have to say the EU has been a really dick to my country.
	Um, our ex-president was incredibly corrupt and people wanted to impeach him, but apparently uh, Wild Barroso appeared and had a few words and uh basically, they made this bullshit law that you need fifty percent plus one of the actual population inside Romania and outside in order to vote a referendum to impeach a president.
	So basically, even if one single person turns out to an election and puts his vote, that guy is going to be the president.
	But if you want to impeach him, you need fifty percent plus one of the actual population.
	That does that make sense?
	Like half of the country, did you say, of the popul?
	Oh yeah, inside and out, and you can't count the people outside because, like how, expatriates?
	Yeah, it was basically a law making it impossible for us to to take down the president, which was insanely corrupt.
	Sorry, are you saying that gypsies in France and England have got to vote?
	Yeah, pretty much they would have to stop pickpocketing for a bit in order to to actually go there and and vote.
	That's racist, really.
	I was unaware.
	I hope you're not going to try to get me fired now.
	It's ostracizing.
	It's keeping women at comics.
	It's also ableist.
	I think she has a back issue.
	And she's lactating, as far as I can tell.
	But yeah, ever since the EU was founded, there have been no wars in Europe.
	So while I would be against certain aspects of it and I would change some things, I wouldn't believe you should abolish it.
	I shouldn't have to say that necessarily implies causation, though.
	The thing about there's one more thing I want to say.
	Even though this wouldn't be the only argument, it's that you have China, Russia, and the United States, which are pretty big countries, and they would basically just pick on the little countries if they wouldn't be in the EU.
	And I'm saying economically, not actual war, right?
	Yeah, that's probably true.
	Here's the thing, though.
	You get like Iceland, right?
	They're huge negotiators on the world stage, right?
	They are huge, and they make their own trade deals with the United States.
	They don't need the EU to do it.
	There's lots of smaller countries.
	You don't necessarily get trampled in trade deals because usually if there's a mutual benefit one way or the other, then it's the negotiations of these things are far less complicated than people think they are.
	And a lot of the things with the no wars and whatnot is that democratic states don't tend to go to war with each other.
	It's very rare that you get two democratic states.
	Russia and Ukraine.
	Actually, I disagree with that in a certain way because modern warfare, the way we have it today, is not you know, you can still call it war, but it's not with tanks and missiles or airplanes.
	It's economic warfare.
	I would disagree with you.
	Usually the current actual war is between a country that has a lot of power and a country that doesn't.
	If you look at Russia invading Crimea or Russia versus Ukraine, Russia is obliterating Ukraine, and there's no reason to believe that if there wasn't any limitations, you know, any sanctions from the EU or the fear of NATO intervening, that they wouldn't go forward with that, and that they wouldn't conquer, let's say, other countries like Masarabia, which they also have an interest in.
	But when they are not able to do that, they will do it monetarily.
	Yeah, sure.
	But there's always these little countries that they can, you know, because war is still profitable.
	I mean, you have the industry that's making tanks, right?
	And right now I believe they're like fifth generation of tanks.
	So they have to use the fourth generation somewhere.
	They need to find a place in order to dispatch these lesser tanks.
	And you need a war with something.
	And you're going to find a war with a lesser country in order for that to give you back some of the profit you invested.
	I think that's what we have the Middle East for.
	I think I just want to interject just quickly.
	I think there is truth to the statement that democratic states don't tend to go to war with each other.
	But like you guys are pointing out, when there is a massive power disparity, I think that that rule becomes irrelevant.
	But it's the same with any great power treating the minor powers around them.
	They treat them as as they want, effectively, and as politics will allow them to treat them.
	Like we're saying with Russia and Ukraine being part of NATO, so or trying to be part of NATO.
	Don't you think that when the United States is putting sanctions even on Russia, okay?
	It's not like in some way declaring some type of war.
	I know it's not like classic war that we think about like tanks and conquering Turkey because it's not about territory anymore.
	Yeah, it is economic war, and I very much prefer that versus the actual warfare.
	I mean, same thing, effectively.
	At the end of the day, if you end up an argument that was made in a book called The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists that was written, I think, in 1916, I read it not so long ago.
	I think I heard of it.
	An argument in there goes like this.
	What difference does it really make if they're killing you one way or another?
	So effectively, I think it was the age expectation for the average lower-class British person was something like 50 years.
	Whereas for the upper class people, it was like, see, you know, their 70s.
	So they're ending your life 20 years earlier due to poverty.
	And that was a result of economic warfare.
	And so it's the same sort of thing.
	So it's less gruesome, but it's no less dangerous, you know?
	Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, you know, the gruesome aspect.
	Like, I would rather be in Romania, which is under heavy damages from the economic warfare, than be in Ukraine fighting against Russians' tanks.
	I mean, a lot of people can fight the Russians, but economically, you guys can't fight Goldman Sachs.
	Well, we do have the backing of NATO, and we do have, like, if there would be an actual warfare, I do think the US would be very interested in Romania, because, on one hand, they can say, okay, we're not going to do anything.
	And if they do that, then the other NATO countries are going to wonder, like, okay, so what's the point of NATO then?
	Because we're spending money on this.
	Well, that's actually the question.
	There's a question that Dan Carlin puts a lot of the time.
	It's like, is the West going to go to World War III for Latvia?
	And the answer is no.
	If Russia invaded wherever, in Eastern Europe tomorrow, we're not going to World War III for that.
	Not in a sense of tanks and airplanes, but in an economical sense.
	They do.
	Oh, yeah.
	They'll put sanctions on all day long, but no one is sending in actual tanks and ground forces for Romania.
	No one's going to do it.
	The problem with sanctions, as you put it, is that we live in a world where there's a lot of trade agreements.
	So if you're going to sanction Russia, your trade agreements will also suffer.
	So at one point it backlashes against you.
	It's like playing a game of Civ or, I don't know, in medieval, if you play like Total War, because you're a Total War fan, if one of your best trade partners is suffering from war, you're going to get less income from them, and you're going to suffer in the long run.
	No, no, that is all absolutely true.
	But the question really is, I mean, how far do you think that people are going to escalate it for Romania?
	I think if people don't escalate it, NATO will fall.
	Because then the other countries are going to ask themselves, okay, so what is the protection we're getting?
	Like, we're into this trade military agreement.
	We're investing money in it.
	We're investing technology.
	And if Bush comes to Shav, no one is going to lift a finger.
	So what's in it for us?
	Exactly.
	It shows that NATO is just a paper tiger.
	But then you've got the question, okay, so is the United States going to run the risk of being annihilated in nuclear war with Russia and China for Latvia or Romania?
	I think NATO is a paper tiger.
	But the question is, is Russia going to risk seeing what the Americans' response is going to be?
	Well, what do you think?
	I don't think because up till now they they stopped their war in the Ukraine for a while and I never heard like any things from Vladimir Putin like trying to go into Romania.
	He said that he wants a portion of Moldavia which is like Basra Abbey if you guys know the regional area here.
	But he wouldn't actually go into Romania.
	That's something that he said.
	Now he can't change his mind.
	obviously but I'm not so sure.
	I mean the mutual assured destruction policy I think is still in effect.
	Well, you know I'm actually devious about that.
	What are all the missile shields in Poland doing there then?
	Basically there's missile shields in Romania as well I think.
	Well that that yeah but I mean are they effective or not?
	I mean I know no one knows but I mean do we think no one knows I mean truly yeah they're effective.
	Yeah well that's the thing.
	So if they're effective then the prospect of thermonuclear war is well irrelevant.
	You know we've got missile defense.
	You can still send nukes via land.
	I mean you can still get a group of you can but it's it's not going to be the you know the devastation everyone expects from intercontinental ballistic missiles.
	So I mean, the thing, that's the thing, isn't it, though?
	That's that when you, when you lay it all out like this, you look at all of these important things to know and you think okay it, it probably isn't worth disturbing the board yeah, pretty much that.
	That's why I think Putin doesn't doesn't go full on on the Ukraine thing, because if they wanted, they could have conquered all Ukraine, of course, of course, and you know what?
	I think that Russia is getting a bad rap with Ukraine, and I I, I know everyone's gonna go, oh my god, you just love Putin Day.
	It's like well, kind of, but that's not the reason I'm defending them.
	Did you?
	Did you elope with him that week?
	No no, I love.
	I love him in kind of an abstract sense.
	I mean if, if Putin was my leader, my ruler, I probably wouldn't be happy with him, but he's not, so I think he's wonderful.
	Just look at him.
	Look what he does, shirtless, riding a horse hikers.
	He's spinning across lakes.
	Yeah exactly, you know.
	And then you've got Barack Obama, who's like flinching when someone's swinging a golf club near him.
	Honestly it's, it's just hilarious.
	But um, but the thing is, the Russia is doing in Ukraine.
	Well, I th what I think they're doing in Ukraine is no different to what the CIA does in South America.
	So how come you don't like Benjamin Netanyahu?
	Sounds like your guy as well.
	He told Obama never to question his decisions again.
	Didn't he bit snapped him?
	Never again question my decisions bitch, really.
	Yeah, Jesus Christ.
	That shows who's the boss in that relation from Obama.
	What are we representing geographically speaking?
	Because I don't know.
	But yeah, I think that what the Russians are doing in Ukraine is probably very comparable to what the Americans do in South America.
	It's all under the table Secret Service stuff.
	And that happens all over the place.
	Mossad, what are they doing in Iran?
	They're assassinating scientists.
	It's all the same sort of thing.
	So I don't really think we're in a position to start throwing stones at the other side of our glass house.
	Oh, the difference is that America is using kind of a skilled propaganda when they're doing this.
	Basically, when they invaded Iraq, they got like the coalition of the willing, and it was like Romania with vampires and shit and ten other countries that are equally non-important.
	And they were like, oh, there's weapons of mass destruction.
	Holy shit, let's go there and find them, you know?
	And they actually had the support of the people.
	Some people were like, oh, yeah, go America, team America.
	I wasn't really talking about the full-on invasion.
	I was really talking about the rebellion in Dotnet.
	No, what I wanted to say is that when the Russians are invading, they're like, oh, these are not our guys.
	We don't know who they are.
	They're like little green men.
	And everyone can see that it's actually Russian military operating there.
	And they're like, no, no.
	So it's the difference of propaganda why Russia gets the flak, basically.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Why they get the flak is, yeah, absolutely.
	The Americans are far better at propaganda.
	But the point is, what I'm saying is, I don't think we're being fair, you know, by castigating Russia for doing effectively, they're just learning from the West.
	You know what I mean?
	Take Libya.
	How many British commandos were captured in Libya?
	Like a bunch of incompetents, you know?
	And that was when we were like, oh, no, we're not going to put boots on the ground.
	And then a bunch of British commandos are captured.
	And it's just like, okay, that makes us look like cards.
	We're liars.
	We're retarded.
	And it's exactly the same thing.
	So when a bunch of Russian special forces are spotted in Ukraine, in the rebelling areas of Ukraine, it's like, well, what are we going to do?
	Are we going to say, oh, Russia, you're so awful?
	Because we'd be giant hypocrites, wouldn't we?
	Aren't Britain commandos ranked third in the world?
	I think Israelis are the first.
	Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you?
	Yeah, that's what the rankings are saying.
	Yeah, but they still got captured by a bunch of tribesmen in Libya.
	One of the things I actually have to say about the whole fact that Russia moved in on Ukraine, I mean, part of the blame is also with the EU.
	I mean, if they hadn't done pretty much the deal, I mean, we would effectively, they created the threat, right?
	So the threat to Russia is now that they've got Ukraine, joining the EU.
	And that comes with the nukes and all that stuff.
	And you've got to think about, like, well, I need to find the thing that I was reading about.
	Basically, if I can find it, I'll be able to tell you exactly at what point the reason for this was.
	So if you'll just continue, I'll try and find what we're just trying to remember.
	I think that Russia gets a bad rap with the Crimea as well.
	I mean, they did vote to join Russia, so.
	I like how, yeah, it wasn't rigged.
	You don't think that election was rigged?
	I don't think they needed to rig it.
	The Crimea is like 86% Russian or something.
	But wait, it was rigged.
	The question was, do you join Russia now or do you want independence and you can join Russia later?
	Like, they didn't even want to assume the chance that they might be refused, you know?
	And it's also, like, not democratic to just capture, quote-unquote, to conquer a part of a country and then have this sort of election.
	The election itself.
	The election was before the annexation.
	Russia had a pre-existing contract where they could have up to 25,000 men on Crimea in the naval base.
	And they did.
	They didn't do anything wrong there.
	They didn't breach any treaties.
	And the election was quite overwhelmingly favorable.
	And I recall seeing a thing that said that NATO or someone?
	I can't remember who it was.
	UN, I think it was actually.
	Was saying they couldn't find any malfeasance in the election.
	And the thing is, there's every reason for the Crimeans to join the Russians.
	I mean, when was Crimea ceded to Ukraine?
	It must have been the breakup of the Soviet Union.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but I don't think that was necessarily done in perpetuity, was it?
	I'd have to look it up.
	But it's one of those things, I really don't think that it was a great surprise to anyone there that given the opportunity, they would vote to rejoin Russia.
	Especially given the fucking coup that happened in Ukraine.
	The Ukrainian ultra-nationalist anti-Russian coup.
	Is it any surprise that these people wanted to go back to Russia?
	I'm actually surprised.
	I mean, I don't love Russia, by the way.
	I hate them as much as the next Romania, because they brought communists here, they fucked up our country.
	But what I don't understand is that they want to live Russia, which now doesn't have the horrors of the communism, right?
	You still have freedom of speech, you can go everywhere you want.
	It has sanctions and other things I get that, and a lot of corruption.
	But so does the EU.
	So why would you want to just start a war and lose people's lives to go away from one bad thing and to another bad thing?
	It just makes no sense, you know?
	I haven't got an answer for it.
	I've just found the thing I was trying to remember.
	Oh, go ahead.
	Basically, so Jean-Claude Juncker, he was talking, right?
	He was having talks about a European Union army, right?
	Jesus.
	And this is part of the reason, like, so to counter Russia, as they say.
	And it's any wonder that, you know, you have Putin coming in here, you know, and starting to bring his troops in, if they're talking about an EU army, and, you know, becoming basically a super state.
	It kind of, so there's kind of, I would say, a lot of fault here when it comes to the fact that Russia is now there, if you think about it, is the fact that, I mean...
	You've got the European Union talking about expansionist plans and it becomes pretty, and then getting to Ukraine, which you know, they're just getting bigger and bigger, right?
	I think you're absolutely on point there.
	The fact that they're definitely getting aspirations above their station where they're thinking well, maybe we could start to become, like you said, a super state and actually form a European army and stuff like that.
	God, where is this going?
	Let's get all the most imperialistic countries around and form a giant super imperialistic country.
	Doesn't the EU already have peacekeepers and stuff like that, or is it just in video games?
	I don't know, actually.
	I think it's troops that are donated by each country, but I don't think they're considered really like EU troops.
	Yeah, that that would be interesting.
	Like if there would be an EU army who would lead it.
	Probably Germany.
	Probably, yeah.
	I tell you, Germany is eventually going to take over Europe, so you should just let them run it.
	I mean, it's not like they're going to run it inefficiently, is it?
	We actually elected a German, sort of a German president.
	He's not full German.
	He has Romanian citizenship, obviously, but that was interesting.
	See, this is how they get you.
	Yeah.
	Do you know like the first Romanian king was actually from Germany?
	I did not know that.
	Yeah.
	And he was a great ruler.
	So, yeah, maybe I believe it's Carl Ferdinand, but he had a different name.
	He was like Hochen Solder.
	Look it on Wikipedia, a Romanian king.
	Ferdinand I of Romania.
	Oh, modern king of Romania.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Hmm.
	Very interesting.
	And then the communists killed his baby.
	Oh, that's not very nice.
	See, there's no reasons not to like the communists, isn't there?
	Yeah, back then, there was no Twitter hashtag, and if you wanted to protest your communism, you actually had to do it in the street.
	So because they were out there not trending a hashtag and giving likes on Facebook, they got captured by the communists.
	And the king was said that if he doesn't fuck off, then they are going to execute the students.
	So he fucked off.
	It was actually not that long ago that I was watching the last speech of Kazettski.
	You know, is the one where he got mobbed.
	So the last speech of who I didn't hear.
	Kazeckscu?
	Kazetski.
	Yeah.
	I was watching the last one, and it's probably one of the like it's one of the most fantastic realizations that you have, where the moment he realizes that the crowd is against him, you see his face, you know, the dicks is as he was a dictator.
	And you see.
	Where was he the dictator of?
	I'm not familiar with him.
	I need to.
	My knowledge of Eastern European history is actually not brilliant.
	Oh, you knew about the Dacian, so I.
	Yeah, yeah, it's it's not awful, but honestly, it's more modern Eastern European history.
	Well, when I say modern, I mean like, say, the last 200 years, it's not wonderful.
	You know, it's really interesting when a British person says he knows something else because the whole British history is really fucking confusing with all the war going on there with the Scots and the.
	As a Scotsman myself, I can say a lot of the stuff a lot of it is basically just jokes now, but you get some people who, you know, they actually do hate the English, and I'm just thinking, like, oh, come on.
	Yeah, they can't let it go, can they?
	It's like, oh.
	Here's a link to Kazeku's last speech.
	Oh, yeah, okay, nice one.
	So it's quite quite some.
	I'll watch it.
	Oh, right, okay, in 1989, Bucharest, yeah.
	Yeah, it's sadly they replaced him with another dictator, so.
	But the first communist dictator.
	You said that Europe the European Union is starting to become more and more communist.
	Oh, yeah.
	What did you mean by that?
	Well, the EU?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's it's operating with less and less democratic legitimacy, which I think is ultimately everyone's problem with it.
	I mean, I d I don't really see how anyone can consider it a democratic institution.
	Yeah, it's it's not really a state.
	I mean, from what I understand, from my knowledge, like whenever the EU does something, the countries have to agree on it.
	But there's so many.
	Like, say you have a certain country that wants to vote on a certain piece of legislation one way.
	If a majority or you get a certain amount of the commissioners or whatever vote a different way, that country cannot supersede the rules that the EU sets down.
	So you got 70% of our laws are now made in the European Union.
	Yeah, but theoretically a country can fuck off if they don't like it.
	They can, but look what happened to Ireland, right?
	Basically, they said no, and they were told, sorry, what?
	Yeah, but if there would be riots on the street, then they would have to the point where they can't replace them, though, because they're not elect and the only thing stopping the riots on the street at the moment is the fact that there is some stability.
	But you get like the Euro, the fact that it's going to tank, right?
	And you've got the disparity between the places that the currency now inhabits.
	It's going to collapse eventually because you get the central banking, they keep wanting to do qualitative easing all the time, which interest rates are at zero.
	So money, fiat currency, is worthless.
	It's absolutely worthless.
	And you get them just going for, okay, the next round of QE, the next round of QE, and eventually, you know, it's going to, because it's not backed by anything.
	Isn't that what America is doing, though?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, they're in serious trouble.
	Serious trouble.
	It's not like you.
	How will this explode eventually?
	How will this bubble explode?
	Well, it's pretty much if you look at how the hi you see how the housing market was going, you know, they were basically things were being levered up, you know, interest rates were at zero.
	People were borrowing just so much beyond their station.
	Like they were they were they were basically putting housing prices.
	So you had Fannie and Freddie in the US that was basing people's ability to pay the housing prices on the asking, like the initial starting price.
	But it doesn't matter that the actual mortgage rate was way more than the teaser rate.
	People were being put into this box that they couldn't pay out of.
	Yeah.
	But that was high interests that people could not pay.
	was the catalyst for what happened because when people start paying no stop paying for their house and just give it back to the bank and there was no and the bank already leveraged that house what that mortgage to be in times of its real worth or something like Oh, I despise the banks.
	They're the most dreadful thing you can have.
	But my question is, how will it happen when you have zero interest and people just take money from the bank because it's with zero interest?
	Well, it basically ends up and what happens is that it becomes worthless.
	people won't, people will just stop using it to buy anything, it will become you see what happened in Germany just pre you know, pre-Hitler basically, you know when money was worthless and you had people tanking it about you know that happened in India by the way Oh, yeah.
	Hyperinflation.
	In a different way.
	So, yeah, okay.
	Hyperinflation.
	Yeah, when there's a massive financial collapse, you will get hyperinflation.
	I think the issue is that I think that the issue is that the banks are kind of set to basically rake in everything at some point.
	It'll be like the collapse in the US, where the banks foreclosed on thousands of houses, thousands and thousands of houses.
	Putting people on the streets.
	So you've got untold thousands of empty houses and people on the streets, and they're just empty properties owned by banks.
	It's going to be the same sort of thing here.
	And this is essentially the problem with fiat and banking.
	What's the term for it?
	Fractional reserve banking.
	That's the problem with it.
	They can loan out up to like something like 90% of extra of what they have.
	So they need 10% of what they actually have, and they can loan out leveraging.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, they're leveraged up so high, it's ridiculous.
	But you can have a lot of economical systems.
	There is no better alternative.
	I mean, if you have no banks, then you wouldn't have people able to start businesses.
	We're not talking about a bank.
	It's just that the currency should be tied to a tangible resource like gold.
	I would agree if the population was smaller, but when you have a gigantic number of people in a country, because we have all these commodities in 2015 that allows us to grow a lot of people in one country, so there's literally no way in order to make what you're suggesting.
	There is, but it's like, okay, if you look at how it was working before, right?
	So take the US, and you have like, so before the Fed was established, you had, you know, you didn't have a lot of this crap that you're having now.
	So the Fed gets established, and as soon as they took off gold as the ceiling for the amount that they were allowed to print, it was backed by, you just saw basically everything just rose like nothing on earth.
	Like inflation, we're not talking in terms of stability anymore.
	People, a lot of people in the US, they'll talk about stability in terms of the amount of inflation we're having.
	So if you're not having enough inflation, it's not stable.
	And that is completely the wrong way to look at it.
	Oh, we had deflation in Romania at one point.
	Oh, yeah.
	Deflation's pretty bad, too.
	We had the deer leader deciding that he wants to pay all the national debt.
	And there were basically nothing you could buy.
	Like the stores were empty.
	Like if you watch a North Korea movie, you're going to see, and I'm not talking about the interview, but actually watch a documentary on North Korea.
	You're going to see that their stores are extremely empty or they just have plastic apples and plastic bananas so that people.
	It's not funny.
	It's horrible if you live through it.
	Sorry, sorry.
	I didn't mean that.
	It's nothing.
	Privileged shit, Lord.
	Yeah, so what happened was that people had money, but there was nothing you can buy with them.
	And no one wanted money because of that.
	So what went on is that I believe it was a pack of canned cigarettes, whiskey, and coffee were the actual currency.
	If you wanted someone to do a favor for you or you wanted to buy something from below the shelf, you would give a pack of cigarettes and that person would not smoke the cigarettes.
	You would also give them to someone in order to obtain you're actually convincing me to take all the money that I have in the bank and invest it in whiskey.
	Well, honestly, I tell you what, right?
	In hyperinflation, in hyperinflation, all my savings will be lost completely.
	Exactly.
	No, no, but that's honestly, that's a genuine concern, right?
	There are a lot of, I don't know whether it's called movements, but there are a lot of YouTube channels, websites, where they're like, look, right?
	Mathematically, we are heading for a massive collapse.
	There is no point having paper money.
	Why don't you buy something like silver?
	Something that actually, you know, it doesn't change in value.
	Or it does, but it's way more stimulating.
	I think when Europe discovered the New World, they were flourishing economically.
	The British Empire and Spain.
	Well, I think I'm not sure that's true.
	I think it was because of the New World that Europe really, really rose to prominence.
	They were doing fine, don't get me wrong.
	There was nothing particularly wrong with European trade.
	But it could have been better if they could have found a direct route to India, which is what they were looking for.
	And so it was more a result of finding a continent, two continents, they could absolutely exploit.
	I mean, the Spanish devalued the price of gold in Spain after looting South America.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to jump in.
	I just wanted to.
	No, I was just wanting to raise the hypothetical question, which is really far off, but just to entertain the discussion, would you think that this issue would be solved if humanity would manage to colonize new planets like the moon or something like that and get resources from there?
	Well, it wouldn't.
	The reason that it wouldn't be solved is because the way that our currency works at the moment is that it just will explode.
	Because when you have what's going to happen, which is going to be the hyperinflation, you have the amount of money that's being printed and you have interest rates at zero, there's nothing that you can't come back from that without having a serious collapse.
	And then the only way to deal with the collapse is to leave it alone.
	But they won't.
	They won't leave it alone.
	They'll try and do their next round of ultimately, even if we started going to the moon.
	It's the eternal capitalist problem.
	It relies on growth in a finite system.
	Ultimately, there does need to be reform.
	But I tell you what, we are starting to sound worryingly like the social justice warriors who are just vehemently anti-capitalist.
	And I just want to stress that fucking communism is not the answer.
	I can talk from experience because my country had hyperinflation back in the 80s, mid-80s.
	It started at the late 70s and it grew up to 400% inflation each year.
	So in 1984 or 1985, they came up with a 10.
	It was going worse and worse and worse.
	I think they left it alone.
	They printed money, basically.
	And after they stopped printing money, still the inflation went rampant.
	And eventually a new government was elected, and they came up with this plan, a ten step plan to stop the inflation.
	And they managed to take the inflation from 400% to 20% after one year and it gradually came down back to two, three percent after.
	Yeah, what they did is uh, they managed to uh.
	First, they uh uh, made uh uh, some kind of like um how do you call it when you have like a um, uh crisis in a country where you know you overrule everything?
	Like um, like a military something I I can't remember the term in English yeah, like a martial law about prices.
	They freezed all prices of all things you can buy.
	Like they did the same sort of thing under Jesus.
	Who was under well, I can't remember the Roman Empire, who did it at the moment, but I'm just gonna tell you it might be Vespasian.
	Can you imagine going to jail for selling the potatoes for two pounds instead of one?
	So yeah that's, that was one of the.
	You know they.
	They did a, a whole series of actions to completely normalize everything and they did something very radical at that point.
	You know that at that point it wasn't, like you know, when I went to the university, I studied, controlled the systems, and my professor told us that every system is complex, like an economy.
	You can just, you cannot just shift it.
	It's not like.
	It's like, you know, trying to take a big boat and you know, turn it around immediately it will break in in half.
	Oh yeah, you can do that in autocratic countries okay, so so he was basically right.
	You cannot just, you know, bring back the the, the interest rates, to three percent from zero.
	It will, you know, be very damaging.
	So but that's what they did.
	They because the, the system was completely out of control.
	They needed something very, very strong to control it, to put it back in control.
	So they restricted many things and they said, for for one year, we're going to restrict everything until everything comes down.
	Because it was like panic yeah, I the someone in the chat, I just found it, it was Diocletian's prices due to the crisis of the third century in the Roman Empire and, like the law yeah like, like the guy in the chat said, it was a complete failure.
	You can't artificially fix prices like that.
	You know it.
	It really didn't help.
	And so the the, the problem, I think, is I mean, I think it did help it was, it was only a temporary fix.
	That was nothing.
	It doesn't change the system and that's the problem.
	Romania caught the four zeros from the, like every bill you would have.
	They caught the three zeros from it.
	So one thousand leis would become uh uh, one le.
	You know, like that kind of thing yeah, but you know it's not like um uh, fixing the system.
	It the point uh, is not fixing the system anymore, it's it's like imagine the system going completely insane and crazy and in panic mode and not nothing is, you know, working by the rules even of that system.
	And and in that point you just take some countermeasures and that countermeasures, these countermeasures were not, you know, something very, very subtle.
	You know I can try to google the the plan yeah yeah, go for it.
	And I want to ask a question while you do that.
	Would you think that a communist system?
	which would be the perfect one, because we never had the perfect communist system?
	Like, with people actually being treated equal, not some people taking advantage of this situation or the rampant corruption going on.
	Assuming it was run by robots or something.
	Yeah, let's assume it was run by aliens and it was the perfect communist system.
	Would you like to live in that society?
	And let's say you would have freedom of speech and you would have to.
	How accurately are we following the communist manifesto?
	I mean, I take it I'm not allowed private property.
	Yeah, you're not allowed private property.
	Like, what you're having belongs to everybody.
	Yeah, well, yeah, faithfully it belongs to the system, doesn't it?
	I'm not sure.
	But your kids are going to get their own, you know, your kids are going to get his own house.
	Well, it's not his own, but he gets to live in a house provided by the system.
	That's true.
	Sorry, go on, go on, Sam.
	One thing that I really don't like about communism, and this just comes back, is that you life becomes meaningless.
	There's no pursuit to the next level, right?
	Oh, yes, there is.
	You get to join the Communist Party and you can be nominated there.
	What are you talking about?
	That won't be possible in the perfect communist system because we won't be able to become robots.
	No, but you get to decide what, well, basically you do get to apply to a university and after you finish you are guaranteed to get the job.
	But the state decides how many spots are available in a university.
	So, for instance, if you want to do law and there's just 20 openings there, you're going to compete with, let's say, 100 other people, and there's just 20 spaces.
	So, you need to study like fuck in order to get there.
	I guess it kind of stifles innovation.
	That's the issue for me.
	There's no reward for, you know, like some guy, he makes like the guy that made the zipper, for instance.
	I don't say guys, I'll be back in a minute.
	Oh, that invention belonged to the state, yeah.
	Yeah, and he made the zipper.
	He, you know, he'd have nothing like, you know, there would be no he wouldn't have monetary compensation, but he would have a lot of prestige, basically.
	And the state would reward him.
	So, yeah, there would be also monetary compensation, but not as much as if he would invent the zipper in a capitalistic society.
	And that's part of the problem is that when you get to things like that, people become depressed because they expect things to be given, right?
	They expect this, they don't want to decide, but it's like a half-existence.
	It's like I disagree because even in a capitalistic society, let's say I invent the zipper, but I don't really have the money in order to mass produce it, so I'm going to go to a company and give them my rights, and they are going to do it for me, and I just get a small compensation for inventing it.
	That would be under a corporatist society.
	So, you have corporatism, which is the big companies, and the only way to deal with anything is by splitting favors with them and whatnot.
	But in true free market capitalism, if you have your invention, there's no regulatory barriers for you getting it out there and.
	Let me give you an example from my country.
	I'm in med school, and if I want to become a researcher, I can't do that because I don't have the money in order to have a laboratory.
	So, I need to go to either a company or a university that provides me with the very expensive equipment I need to do my work.
	And once I invent something, the invention is not going to be mine.
	I'm just going to have the name.
	But the company or the university that I'm working under is going to have the patent.
	So it's the exact same thing like in a communist society.
	As the inventor, you get your name, you can publish a book, you get renowned, you can get hired easier because you have that in your C V.
	But the invention does belong to your to the company you work as.
	And as you said, you know, you gave the example of the zipper.
	The zipper, you don't really need that many tools in order to invent it.
	But if you're talking about complex systems, like inventing a new video card or inventing something that's for a car, you need to work at the company or you need to work at the university and your company.
	When it comes to stuff that's more complex, say you need like a company to say, right, you've got like your company and you want to invent something.
	The thing about this is that under under so Ergo, under capitalist society, you have say at the moment you have the barrier for only say NVIDIA and AMD are going to compete for the next greatest graphics card because nobody can touch them, right?
	And this wouldn't happen like say you have what you have like in their cat under capitalism.
	You have anybody that wants to try and start this, try to get venture capital, try to do this.
	There's no barrier for entry, you see, and that means that you'll get more competition in this area in this case, so it will lead to people wanting to you know it's about pleasing the consumers.
	I just don't see things your way because if I look at processors, right, you have Intel and you have AMD, and if I want to start my own processing company, then I wouldn't be able to compete with them because they're so far ahead and their technology is kept under secret that I wouldn't be able to even start.
	The only reason that they're where they are compared to you is because, well, there's a couple reasons.
	So the government helps, obviously.
	But you can't but if like say okay, look at Silicon Valley.
	You remember all these companies that come in and they're making bank off of a you know like there's there was no you know they had nothing right these guys had nothing.
	They come in and they made something out of it right and this is the thing about capitalism.
	You are allowed to start from nothing and even if they have the biggest company like say you have the department stores like you know Walmart and you got all those guys.
	They were nothing like if I try to remember exactly who it was.
	So the guy that made I think I think it was the guy that made Walmart he wouldn't get hired by oh shit I need to remember somebody somebody tell me there was this this company what was it what were they called sorry I need to remember that.
	Basically he didn't get hired somewhere and he started his own business.
	He didn't get hired in the biggest like it was the biggest chain that was a but basically what happened was so this big chain you know they wouldn't listen to his ideas about things.
	They wouldn't listen to you know any of his plans and they they fobbed him off.
	So he's like okay I'm just gonna start my own company and I'm gonna do it the way that I think is good for the to run it.
	He ended up making the biggest chain and he took over the previous one.
	I need to find it.
	I've just got back and I'm just feeding Daniel.
	So you what if I understand what the the are you ar are you arguing that it's the marketplace is already full so it's impossible to break into it because of the competitive no no no no that's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that people are just ignoring the positive aspects of communism and ignoring the negative aspects of capitalism.
	I agree.
	I think that there is often a lot of that.
	And I'm probably doing it.
	But the thing is, the question is, do the negative aspects of communism outweigh the positive aspects of communism?
	I think if you would live in a perfect communist society where you would have freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom to move around, that would actually be a better society than capitalism.
	Really?
	You believe so?
	Do you believe that in a country that you have no motivation to succeed?
	But what are you talking about?
	You are saying that, okay, if I'm a doctor that's working at the University of Medicine and I know that my invention is going to belong to the university period and I'm not going to have any rights on it.
	Sure.
	You're saying that I have no motivation in order to invent something?
	No, I'm saying that if you have like you work in a factory or in a company that develops something or whatever, but you're going to get paid no matter if you be a very you know the same way, probably the same way if you'll be a very good engineer or a mediocre engineer.
	And it doesn't give you the case.
	Even in communists you had promotions.
	So you could like become chief engineer or something like that and receive better pay.
	What are you going to do with this better pay though?
	Well if the country wouldn't be the way it was, like the so you would live in a perfect communist system, you would be able to spend the money just like you do in a capitalist society.
	Yeah, but if I've been given a house, I mean what I can't buy myself a mansion, can I?
	No, but you can make a trip, like on a cruise trip or something like that with your family.
	Yeah, but at the end of the day, I'm still living in a pleb house.
	Well, I guess it depends what kind of person you are.
	I mean, if you're a guy on the homeless person, you would suddenly appreciate the fact that you live in a house or that your kid is going to live in a house.
	Well, that's not how human nature works.
	If you're going to live in a country, in that country, and the country, you know, the adjacent country is a capitalist country, and you know that if you could just move over there and, you know, be much more successful, be much more, be, you know, have more stuff, be richer, whatever.
	So it kind of takes, you know, the edge of trying to compete.
	I can hear the baby.
	I can hear Daniel.
	No, that's fine.
	That's completely fine.
	I'm so happy to hear him.
	Yeah.
	I can't imagine Sargon as a dad.
	Oh, man.
	I love being a dad.
	It's not a bad thing.
	It's like the most awesome thing ever, you know, to happen.
	OK, I just want to get back to the point.
	I just want to say this and then I don't think people understood.
	The best communist utopia is Star Trek.
	I agree, but I don't think that that's possible because it's a utopia.
	I don't think utopias are ever really going to exist outside of Star Trek.
	Well, I was just talking hypothetically, don't get me wrong.
	I wouldn't mind that.
	I do agree that there's definitely an upshot to communism for a certain percentage of the population.
	Um but the the the problem I have is that it's it's um uh let me just arrange my thoughts.
	It's it's r it retards people, not in intellectually, but in in in the you know, sort of um ambition.
	If I can't buy a buil big house, if I can't say, you know, buy a holiday home or something like that, what would I be doing all this for?
	Okay, for luxuries.
	Okay, great.
	So I've got myself my luxuries, but now what?
	You know, I I've still got to work every day.
	Yeah, but that's and I I can give you a live example how it works.
	You know about Israeli kibbutzes?
	Have you ever heard of them?
	I know the I've heard the word, but do you want to remind me?
	Okay, so when Israel was formed a little bit before Israel was formed, they built settlements that are called kibbutz.
	And the idea was that it would be like communism.
	It will be like socialism.
	And the people who went there, all of them were very strong ideologues.
	It's not like they are just living there and they need to accept it as a as a sorry did you hear that?
	Yeah.
	Sorry, I yeah, little commune.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	That's fine, that's fine.
	I I'm a father, I understand.
	Anyway, so the kibbutz masculinity.
	A bunch of guys sat around cooing over a fucking baby.
	So kibbutz is based around the the concept that everything belongs to the kibbutz, you know, the the houses, the economies.
	Yeah, ex exactly.
	And you know, the the the the the vehicles, everything is owned by the kibbutz, and you're getting, you know, a house according to your needs.
	If you have like a small family, a smaller house, if you have a bigger family, a bigger house.
	And it I think at you know, at very uh few decades ago, even the kids had their own, you know, children's house and they didn't live with the ch with the parents.
	They were extreme ideologues and their ideology was to you know to build a settlement in Israel which is socialist, which is a socialist settlement.
	And because they were such extreme ideologues, everyone who went there were so ideological, it worked for a certain period of time.
	You know, for a few decades, it worked because everyone gave their fullest, you know, it was very small, everyone knew everyone, everyone, it's like all for one and one for all stuff.
	So everyone everyone were working hard.
	Go, Daniel.
	Everyone.
	Sorry.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm happy to listen to him.
	Don't get me wrong.
	So it was all for one, one for all stuff.
	It wasn't such only rooms and stuff all day long.
	Sorry, you're upsetting, Daniel.
	I'm talking about socialists is getting upset.
	So anyway, where was I?
	So it worked for a couple of decades.
	They were quite successful for you know, they were very venturous.
	They you know, they started started uh businesses and factories.
	Some of them became very successful because everyone worked you know for the success of the factory.
	Everyone gained when the factory succe it was successful and and profitable and uh it worked for a certain period of time.
	But as Israel became, you know, Israel was very poor at that time.
	And I mean poor, I mean, you know, people were getting stamps for food.
	And you were not allowed to buy butter in the 50s.
	It was similar here, basically.
	Yeah, we had a black market for everything.
	But then Israel became more and more rich.
	Because Israel is like, it's more like a it's capitalist.
	Yeah, you actually.
	It's full of Jews, is what you're saying.
	That's what happens when you have Jews, exactly.
	So eventually, the second generation, third generation of people who lived in the kibbutz wanted to get out.
	They didn't want to stay in that situation because the people around them were getting better.
	And they had more opportunities in the capitalist side of Israel.
	So they went out and the kibbutz began to lose money and began to lose its values and everything.
	So it was basically a Cold War on a different scale.
	Yeah, so what happens with kibbutzis today that actually they change a lot the way they manage their current you know their money.
	People are allowed to own property.
	People are allowed to the factories are not, you know, they're receiving salaries according like in a capitalist system.
	And they become more and more capitalist.
	They still hold this notion that the land is owned by the kibbutz and the kibbutz is giving you the house that you need.
	I think that's the only aspect that is still prevalent in kibbutzis today.
	My question to you, Skeptor, is how do people not see that feminism is really communism?
	Because you have, and I want to explain this, you have the whole mentality in communism that there's the privileged, and this is the exact words they use, the privileged bourgeois, which are the people in power, and they're going to be oppressing the working man.
	And then you have, like, in feminism, you have the patriarchy, which are the white men in power, and it needs to have a revolution where the minorities and the women are overthrowing the white man.
	Well, I don't know.
	I had a huge, huge discussion in the comment section in my latest video because I called that woman on the BBC interview a Marxist.
	And he argued that she's not a Marxist.
	Maybe she's a feminist, maybe she holds some ideas that had some parallels with Marxism, but they are definitely not Marxist in any way.
	So people still see these things as two completely different things because feminism opts for something different.
	It opts for a different form of something that looks like Marxism.
	I don't see the difference, but it's not on an economical level.
	It's more like culture.
	If you look at games, for instance, when you say video games, you talk about different types of genres.
	You have action games, you have Facebook games, you have app games, you have 3D shooters, right?
	But when you see a feminist talking about video games, it talks like it's this ambiguous notion, and every single game out there, despite the genre, despite of the age group it targets, it needs to be played by everybody.
	Everybody needs to play that game, everybody needs to play that game.
	I definitely hate the concept of plurality of markets.
	And when you do that, yeah, when you do that, it just makes a bad game.
	Because while I enjoy, let's say, games with blood and war, like Mortal Kombat, that's a game I really enjoy.
	Some people don't.
	So if you have Moral Kombat, then you would remove that aspect.
	The people like myself would stop enjoying it.
	So it basically wants everyone to enjoy the game less so that others can enjoy the game more and you would reach like this bar.
	But actually, that's not even the case.
	If you remember the three videos that Sargon made, The End of the Gamers, what was the name of that series?
	My gamer has had to die.
	You're not a real fan.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	They even surveyed that.
	Quote me three things Sargon said in those videos.
	You can fuck out of the fan club.
	I can quote three things.
	Feminists.
	Go on, go on, go on.
	So even when they survey people, they notice that that's not what even minorities or, you know, that's not what they want to see in video games.
	They don't want to see representation of, you know, of men, women, gays, whatever, gender or sexual preference.
	Exactly.
	So, exactly.
	So, but they still think that's the way to go.
	Yeah, one thing that you can tell from Shaw's research, and it's probably focused on activism.
	Did Sean respond to you?
	Because I think Senpai noticed you.
	She did.
	She did.
	And it's just ad hominems.
	The whole thing is, well, you're saying it's conspiratorial, but that doesn't address any of the arguments.
	I'm actually going to do another video on it.
	But the issue that Shaw has is that she is trying to take control of the video game industry, whether she knows it or not.
	That's what she needs to do to achieve her goals.
	She's really high up in the hierarchy, isn't she?
	Yeah, the social justice warriors absolutely have a hierarchy, and she is quite high in it.
	And they will never, they will never admit publicly that there is a hierarchy like this.
	Because I don't know why, actually.
	I don't know why they won't do it, but they won't do it.
	There is.
	The journalists are way high up.
	The journalists are very low on the hierarchy.
	The journalists are just above us plebs, you know what I mean?
	But there's definitely hierarchy.
	Effectively a cool kids club.
	And Adrian Shaw and the rest of the Digra members, they're all quite high in it.
	But what they're trying to do, and she, I mean, she probably, I don't think she's stupid, so I think she probably understands that what she needs to do is literally grab control of the entire industry.
	And I think that they are trying to do that.
	And I think that they are doing that through, I don't know how best to phrase it, but I would say terrorism is probably the most accurate way.
	Bully tactics, you mean?
	Yeah, exactly.
	They're going to terrorize people using bully tactics.
	They're going to character assassinate anyone who doesn't go along with the narrative.
	I noticed this obsession of them.
	Like, Sargon of Akkad, who are you?
	What is your name?
	Oh, why are you hiding behind an avatar?
	I want to know who you are.
	Well, my name isn't a secret.
	It's on my Kickstarter, you know.
	No, but they do that to everyone because they can't character assassinate what they don't know, and they're very frustrated about this.
	They are, that's true.
	But that's the thing.
	Anything that they absolutely have a plan, you know, whether they're aware of it or not.
	You know, that's the thing.
	It's weird to say that.
	But I swear to God, that there is a definitive purpose and organization, and they always want it.
	I will go even more tinfoil here and say that she's not even a high-ranker in that hierarchy.
	I think she's a mid-ranker.
	She's a useful idiot.
	I think there are high rankers that we probably don't see and won't get to see, you know, behind, you know, you know, like politicians or people in lobbies in government.
	See, listen to the Jew, everyone.
	He knows.
	Yeah, I see.
	I've watched.
	Go ahead, take a laugh, no problem.
	No, that's fine.
	Really, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not sensitive to this stuff.
	I know, I know.
	That's why.
	So I watched a documentary called The Swedish Gender Wars.
	It's a two-hour documentary that was made in Sweden by a woman.
	Oh, I've seen it.
	That really scared the shit out of me.
	You know, that documentary.
	Because it shows how a feminist organization, a very radical feminist organization, by the way, that actually aligns itself with scum, the SCU Manifesto.
	Oh, really?
	They managed to beg a member of parliament in the Swedish parliament, and she was able to pass a few laws that would, for example, how they treat domestic violence.
	In no way...
	No way knows that to treat domestic violence, they have a plan to treat men, to also give cons, how do you say, like, you know, therapy for couples and for men as well, because they know it's a part of the problem.
	If they would be able to fix men, then they would.
	This is so retarded.
	Like, the reason men are prone to violence is because of testosterone, and this is medically proven.
	Like, you have men...
	No, no, we're talking about men with serious mental issues.
	I'm not talking about, you know.
	Well, I was just referring to the whole gender war thing and the idea that toxic masculinity and shit.
	Like, you have men that are suffering from a condition which they don't produce testosterone.
	And they become very depressed.
	They become very apathetic.
	And they don't have, you know, anything.
	I mean, no one gives a shit.
	No one gives a shit about men.
	That's the problem.
	Even the thing about with the testosterone, I mean, I used to play rugby a lot.
	And, you know, it was all like, you know, you're very aggressive and all that.
	But, you know, after, you know, you can all just say, you know, it was a good game.
	I mean, the thing games do make you violent.
	I completely agree.
	But it's like for the several seconds after you're playing.
	Like if you play a game of Dota, right?
	And not violent, but aggressive.
	And you're losing.
	You're going to be angry.
	You're going to be cursing.
	Some people do that.
	But after you finish playing, you're calming down.
	And it's the same with any other emotion.
	Like jerking off.
	It's like jerking off.
	No, but that's a good comparison, actually.
	If you play The Walking Dead, for instance, right, if anyone played the ending of the season one, most people start, you know, there are people that started to cry or there are people that got very sad at the ending.
	But you don't get depressed on the long run.
	It just go to watch football, you know, on the stadium, because when I get to get angry and scream and yell and curse, it's very relaxing.
	It's the psychological difference between what's called state anger and trait anger.
	And basically, Was looking at this one thing before, but basically when you're playing like a game or anything competitive, your state anger will increase temporarily, but your trade anger, you know, yeah, exactly.
	I just want to finish with the the one thing I was talking about, uh the Swedish thing.
	I know we went on a tangent here, of course, but uh I just wanted to finish it.
	So um she so the way they treat in Norway, for example, uh and Norway uh the the system in Norway was adapted by the United States and Canada and the Swedish government, you know, they uh sent an expedition to uh see how to treat this.
	So they came back with uh the recommendations to uh uh invest money to uh give therapy to men because it uh brings down the violence quite a lot, and because these uh that feminist movement uh, they're radicals.
	They don't want to.
	You know, for them, men are animals.
	They don't need money to get treated because that's how they behave normally.
	For them, every man is a rapist.
	For them, every man is, uh is, is someone who would beat his wife to get to gain control, and there's no need for therapy because there is nothing to cure, because it's part of the biology of the of them, of men and uh.
	So they managed to block that uh uh program and instead invest all the money in women's shelters where they can f get more recruits to their uh I.
	I find that weird because, from my experience, maybe I'm wrong, but the majority of feminists are actual men.
	I don't know if in Sweden maybe maybe listen, I'm not talking about the ones going at conventions or the ones that are speaking out, right?
	The leaders, quote-unquote.
	I'm talking about the actual advocate.
	Like if you go on a forum, if you go on you know GAF, if you go on on our gaming on Reddit, if you go on all of these places, or the majority of Patreons that Brianna Wu is having, most of them are white men.
	And I believe that this is because it's part of the guilt trip, which is what religions are doing.
	You know, you're responsible because Jesus were nailed to the cross, but here it's like you're responsible because women are getting raped.
	What are you doing to change that?
	And you have Jessica's Valenti articles like women are getting raped.
	What are you doing in order to stop that?
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure.
	Well, maybe, maybe.
	The thing is, I think I think I don't know.
	I actually think the most feminists are probably female because there's so much self-interest involved.
	I think like every every single group of these have a lot of men and ugly women usually.
	And then there's a very cute woman that's directing everything.
	Like if you look at Jessica Valenti, she's really good looking.
	Anita Sarkeesian, debatably, but I think she's okay looking.
	One thing I remember, I have seen a survey where they asked people on the street if they're feminists and most there were more women saying that they are feminists than men.
	But no, I I don't believe this because and I'm going to say why because before doing this, if you'd asked me, you know, are you okay with feminism, before seeing what feminism really is, I would think like do I believe like women have a right to vote?
	Do I believe that women are equal to men?
	But you're talking from your own experience.
	You're talking from your own experience, from your own perspective.
	You're not talking from it's it's easy to assume that as a person who never got uh introduced to this ideology that other people were like me.
	But many women are not into that.
	It's not necessarily a feminist though, is it?
	That's kind of um you know someone who's just laissez-faire.
	Yeah, I'm for women's rights, you know.
	Yeah, but but a lot of people don't know that.
	I mean, how many people women as well.
	Women as well.
	But these people aren't like foot soldiers for feminism.
	They're just kind of like, you know, the silent majority who get oppressed by feminism because they don't.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I'm glad I live in Romania and I don't have the political correctness that is in Britain, but I'm playing injustice with a Brit guy, right, who is really against UKIP, another thing.
	And I'm having this discussion with him, and he's not a feminist.
	But he is so indoctrinated by the ideas that if I would have him on a stream with me and I would just have a conversation with him, people would definitely start to curse at him because they would be pissed off.
	And I asked him about Gamergate, and he said, well, yeah, I did hear from the news and whatnot.
	And he was like, I don't see how feminists are changing games.
	I don't see how they're affecting me.
	I just play my games and I don't give a fuck.
	It's one of those.
	And I know this is, you know, this is wildly, wildly inappropriate, probably to make this comparison, but it's one of those, you know, first they came for, I can't remember who this starts with.
	Oh, I know that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	First they came to the conference and I didn't speak up.
	And it's exactly that kind of principle, though, because suddenly one day the game that they enjoy playing is going to be banned or withdrawn from target shelves or something like that.
	And they're just going to be like, oh, now I'm annoyed.
	And so everyone's going, well, fuck you.
	We were trying to fight this, and you were like, yeah, but I don't care.
	It's not affecting me.
	Yeah, but it's a really good thing you wanted to say.
	The audience might not know it.
	It's like, first they came for the neighbors and I was quiet.
	And then they came for my family and I was quiet.
	And now they're coming for me and I'm screaming out, but there's no one to hear me.
	Yeah, I can't remember exactly how it goes now.
	The one thing that I have to say about with the whole rad fans wanting the matriarchy want that I'm so glad that we have evidence that matriarchies don't work because otherwise these rad fans would feminism is not about women issues.
	I was actually sorry, I was actually, I've got a lot of resources to do a video about matriarchies.
	I was going to do it ages ago and then Gamergate happened.
	I forgot all about it.
	Sorry.
	Oh, I've actually got a brilliant, see that like that.
	This is to a page where a guy compares what happened on a reality show, right?
	The Return of Kings one, yeah.
	Yeah, it was brilliant.
	I was like.
	I just want to say that feminism isn't about matriarchy.
	If you at Anita Sarkeesian lady's speech, if you had the mental sanity to go through it, at one point she says women shouldn't do what they want.
	They should do what's best for feminism or something like that.
	That's like the most horrible thing.
	I can't understand how anyone can agree with that.
	It supersedes everything.
	Their ideology supersedes everything.
	So the person who controls feminism, and in this case it's Macintosh, he gets to tell people, you know what, you can't defend yourself.
	You need feminism and you need to do what feminism says, but I'm the one saying what feminism does.
	You know, I almost did a video about that, you know, on that panel.
	And when she said I wrote a few words, I decided not to do that video.
	So when she said I wrote a few words, I was like, fuck yeah, fuck you did.
	You know, it's John Santana McIntosh under that skin.
	I said, come on, John, take that skin off.
	I know you're under there.
	I'm actually.
	That's why Anita looks so fat, you know.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm hoping I'm not going to go through the whole thing.
	I've got a real problem with.
	Like you said, ideologies are designed to propagate themselves.
	And once they've indoctrinated someone into the ideology, that person does nothing that doesn't further the ideological cause.
	Because their own personal emotional well-being is tied to the propagation of the ideology.
	This is the issue that I have with ideology in general, really.
	I want to say that I think Anita Sarkisian isn't really indoctrinated.
	I mean, she puts no soul into it.
	She's extremely nervous.
	You can see that her words are not her own.
	While when Leia Alexander is speaking, she's very enthusiastic.
	She's very happy.
	She's excited to talk about the issues that she's bringing up.
	I'm not sure you guys noticed that.
	No, no, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I think Leia Saragania.
	She's like Luna's script.
	That's what you're getting at.
	Yeah, but she's shitless when she's reading.
	She's extremely nervous.
	Yeah, I think it's very interesting, Anita Sarkeesian's talk.
	That panel, and it's something I'm going to go through in detail at some point, actually, because there is a lot there to analyze.
	One of the things that I found most interesting was the devotion to the idea that she wasn't an individual.
	I found it terrifying.
	That's communism 100%.
	Isn't it?
	Isn't it just?
	Thinking of power and systems, nothing but power and systems, as if individuals don't have agency.
	That's what communism was doing.
	It was every time they were talking about, they were talking about the masses.
	They never talked about the individual.
	Yeah, that scares me more than anything.
	And I know it sounds stupid.
	It's just some fucking silly woman on a stage with other silly women.
	And yet what they're saying sounds so monstrous.
	It's just fucking horrible.
	I haven't even thought they don't know that.
	Yeah, no one there was even disturbed by that.
	Everyone was applauding and cheering.
	And I was like, what is wrong with these people?
	There's something wrong with them.
	One of the things that I've noticed with a lot of these crowds is it's group think.
	Like, you know, it's this really weird thing that you see in psychology and other things where even if somebody doesn't necessarily entirely agree with a certain idea, sometimes if an audience of people are all clapping to it, they'll just come right on in.
	Oh, you did not see that article where a student, I made a video about it.
	I think Sargon did it as well in his Week and Stupid because that's what made me do it.
	A student in a university said that, you know what, there's no rape culture.
	I don't believe in this.
	I think it's a myth.
	He was banned from having the discussion in a fucking university, the place of learning where you're supposed to have the dates.
	There was, but a few people sent me some follow-up information about him.
	I should have looked up.
	And the guy seems to have been a bit of a fucking fruitcake.
	Actually, Christina Summers also tweeted that she found this story to be a bit, you know, both sides had something to blame for.
	Didn't the guy ask her to say nigger on the other side?
	But regardless, regardless if he was a fruitcake or not, if he was accepted in the university, I have never heard, and I have been to two universities, I have never heard of someone being banned from the discussions in a university.
	If he was a fruitcake, he should not have been allowed to enter the university.
	He should have been either not allowed to pass the interview or expelled.
	There's no reason to ban someone from a discussion.
	It just depends on if you're the right kind of fruitcake.
	Yeah, you know, do you guys know who Scaligrim is?
	No, but guys, before you go uh go on, it's uh we moved just moved to uh uh summertime clock.
	It's three thirty at you know a.m.
	So as much as I enjoy to talk to you uh and it's a very interesting conversation, uh have to say goodbye.
	Good night, mate.
	Hope to have you on my stream sometime.
	Yeah, I want to.
	Good night, man.
	Yeah, you definitely should, because then no one will understand a word any of you are saying.
	Oh my god.
	Well, we have a weekly show for that, so we can move to our two voices.
	I'll put links to your channels in the description of this video.
	Thank you.
	And this reminds me just a last comment for V. Monroe.
	Someone wrote thank you in Hebrew on one of my videos and I replied, you're welcome in Hebrew.
	And someone said, would you stop, you know, conspiring against all of us?
	Cool, man.
	All right.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	No, thank you.
	Oh, sorry.
	My pleasure, man.
	Take it easy.
	Bye-bye.
	So, yeah, I was talking about Scalagrim, because I really like this guy.
	He's a really nice guy.
	You can tell by his videos.
	He's a very calm, very rational, reasonable man.
	He's probably Norwegian or Swedish.
	I'm actually not sure.
	But he does a historical channel.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, he does like HEMA and stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, martial art recreation.
	And, you know, heaps of stuff.
	Very, very, very, very reasonable guy.
	Very nice.
	I really like him.
	And he was talking with his girlfriend about how they haven't experienced any kind of censorship on campuses.
	And I get the feeling that they're not humanity students.
	You know, they struggle.
	I did ask, but he didn't actually tell me what kind of...
	Oh, he usually answers that.
	That's weird.
	I'm going to ask you.
	Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
	He's very good.
	It wasn't that it was, I had a lot of questions in one comment.
	So he probably just missed it or something.
	But I was wondering what his girlfriend and him study.
	I suspect they probably do STEM work, or something that is not social science, because they don't seem to...
	Don't worry, guys, in the comments.
	The social justice warriors haven't gone out after him.
	But they're having.
	They're starting.
	I heard about feminism, physics, and other things.
	So we're getting there.
	We're getting there.
	Anyway, anyway.
	But the thing is, I posted a comment saying, I'm, you know, that's, I completely agree with you on, like, you can...
	You can tell he's classically liberal, which I think a lot of the people who tend to sort of cluster towards our channels probably are classically liberal.
	But he, I think, is just obviously not really aware of much of what's going on.
	It's not a character floor or anything like that.
	It's just, you know, he's just not involved with it.
	And so I posted, I found half a dozen links for him to read from various news outlets and I can't remember exactly what they were now.
	And yeah, he was very reasonable.
	And he was like, yeah, okay, great.
	I'm going to have a read through them.
	But I think he kind of got sidetracked by people.
	He made a statement in the video that was, you know, you're free to say what you like, but you shouldn't be free from consequences.
	And I think a lot of people took that to mean consequences from the government, which I don't think he meant.
	Where did this conversation take place with you and him?
	It was on a video that he did recently, but he's removed it now because People misinterpreted what he was saying.
	And basically, he he wasn't talking about like, you know, you should be expecting reprisals from the government for free speech.
	He was saying he was trying to stress to people that you don't just have the right to go around saying what you like just because you have freedom of speech.
	I've heard this argument a couple of times that censorship doesn't come from the people, but it comes from the state, which is a lot of horseshit.
	Well, I mean, I think it can do.
	Not always, but it can.
	There are multiple types of censorship, and I think it absolutely can come from the state.
	But the point is, he was trying, you know, that was the point he was trying to make.
	But he was concerned slightly about people having said, you know, oh, there's a lot of censorship going on in universities.
	And he had not really seen it.
	But I get the thing that he hadn't really talked about any controversial subjects to find himself on the receiving end of the feminist lynch mob in university.
	And so I gave him a lot of information.
	I hope that he's read it.
	And I hope that you can have him on a stream and talk about medieval weapons and armor and stuff.
	I would fucking love that more than anything, actually.
	Him and Lindy Beige are my fantasy streams.
	But yeah, I really would be interested because he, from his perspective, and he studied at university and his girlfriend's at a Canadian university.
	And so they haven't experienced any censorship.
	So I would be interested in knowing more of their perspective.
	Well, I mean, I'm currently in college, right?
	So and I'm doing like, you know, software development.
	I'm just doing it because I need to get like, you know, a certificate to show like, oh, I have this.
	So I'm, I mean, so I haven't.
	The thing about Scotland is that it's a bit of a late adopter of the whole social justice bandwagon.
	Probably a good thing.
	And if you come here, you get like, you know, people, you know, banter, whatever, you know, in college.
	That's because men wear dresses as well in Scotland.
	But yeah, so we however, I'm seeing things that are starting to happen.
	Like, for instance, certain you go on like the campus computers or whatever, and certain websites that are good for discussion are blocked.
	And, you know, slowly things start to happen.
	Like, you know, you get like, I don't know, say I wanted to view a certain discussion board for UKIP or whatever, but it was blocked on the account that it violated some sort of terms and conditions about racism or something.
	And I'm thinking to myself, I've never seen anything racist here.
	I just want to ask you a question.
	I keep hearing UKIP is racist.
	Is it or isn't it?
	Well, there was a racist in it.
	There was a woman in UKIP who's recently left UKIP because she was effectively like frog marched out of the party because she was standing around saying she was literally saying, well, you know, I'm not like black people, but I just don't like black people.
	And it's and everyone's like, yeah, but that's that's kind of racist.
	That's not racist, to be honest.
	I mean, let me justify why I think that is.
	I mean, every person should be allowed to have its own stereotype.
	So if you don't like black people but you don't act on it, like like you don't incite other people to do violence against them or incite other people to hate black people, but you just don't like them yourself.
	Yeah, I I'm not I I mean there is the argument for that but the the point is she's a politician.
	I'm a bit I'm a bit of a the wrong p right I might be a bit biased here because I'm actually a member of UKIP.
	Oh my gosh.
	So I might be the wrong but I mean from everybody I've talked to you.
	Oh no.
	No no.
	Oh no of course I dismantle the European Union because I need to to to migrate into Britain to steal cash from you guys.
	So yeah, V V needs it to fight Russia.
	Yeah I mean I um I you know everyone that I talk to and you know like you know and I have a lot of discussions with fellow members of UKIP and whatnot you know we're we're all like pretty close to libertarian.
	You know we're I mean I'm full-on libertarian.
	But you know you get people there that you know it's the people that get kicked out of the party.
	One thing that I've noticed is that media loves to talk about guys in UKIP doing things wrong, but they really don't like to like that.
	They love to edge away from like.
	You know, you know how you have like the council, but the thing about UKIP is they deal with it so they chuck whoever's they go like.
	You're not allowed here anymore, you've said something ridiculous, you're gone.
	That that is in itself, a good thing.
	You know, taking action against problem people in the party is definitely.
	I mean that that's that's.
	You know bears well on the.
	What happened to Godfrey Bloom?
	Didn't he call some woman a slut?
	Oh he, he made um.
	Well, what happened was he was in the middle of a conference right, and he, and he made this like to his own wife right, he said he made a joke about, look, you know, all the women in here must be like sluts, but it it was.
	It was not in like the term that you would use.
	It was he was joking about his wife and the, but it was just unfortunate that he chose the word slut, because he wasn't.
	Actually, if I can find it, I can remember, but he didn't explicitly say something in sort of like a way that I would say yeah, he didn't do that sort of thing.
	He just he just made the off-color joke.
	And then, you know, everyone was like, oh my god, you know.
	So it kind of yeah, the thing which leads to censorship.
	I think people are saying that you know you, you should be able to, you shouldn't be able to say whatever you want without consequences.
	The whole thing of getting upset on someone else's behalf is what this cancer is being caused by.
	Like yeah yeah if, if I say you're not personally upset, you should show up.
	Yeah exactly, if I say something bad about the Jews, then you Sargon, should have no reason to be upset because you're not a Jew.
	Let the Jews be upset right yeah, and once you see that the Jews are getting upset, then you can go and support them.
	But this is the problem.
	It's like if, if I would slot shame a woman and that woman doesn't get upset, but you have all these other people like oh, you slat shame.
	That that's when the censorship is starting to happen.
	Yeah yeah, one of the things as well, I that you see a lot is that if somebody that is inside the agenda of the like mainstream media does something, it gets very glossed over like you know, the pedo scandal, you know, with the BBC, complete cover-up.
	That it's disgraceful.
	And and I just look at the presenters on the BBC and I'm like okay, so you're you you're, you're like you know, you're you're accusing, like UKIP guys of or whatever, of all these things, but you you're, you've got so many skeletons in your closet that you haven't dealt with that.
	It's like it's I don't know.
	It just seems a bit the thing with BBC is that you can't trust them.
	Really, the people that have Anita Sarkeesian on the front page can't be trusted.
	No, it's a disgrace.
	I tell you, I can't describe my loathing for the BBC.
	Do you know how well they have in other countries like mine?
	That's my problem.
	That's my problem, in fact.
	That is exactly my problem.
	You can't ever really hate something unless you've loved it.
	And I used to adore the BBC.
	I absolutely used to adore them.
	Now, I can't fucking stand them.
	I really, really hate the BBC.
	I hate the people who work there.
	I hate the fact that I have seen just out and out lies coming out of the BBC.
	Things that I have been shown that have been shown to me to be categorically false.
	And I am just sat there just like just open mouth.
	Just fucking are you shitting me?
	You made an article for BBC, Sargon, and I know you had an interview.
	Did they cut a lot from it?
	Did they manipulate it?
	I was listening to yours.
	They cut a lot, but they didn't misrepresent me.
	So that is at least in their favour.
	And I, you know, fair enough.
	But the problem was that it was perfunctory.
	They were like, right, we need to do the bare minimum to get the Gamergate side of this story.
	And, you know, I got 45 seconds, Quinn got like 20 minutes.
	You know, and that's the issue that I really had there.
	But it's, and the thing is, it's not that the people at the BBC are necessarily bad or anything like that, but they're funded by the taxpayer, almost exclusively by the taxpayer.
	Yeah.
	And goddamn, they've got a reputation to maintain.
	Fucking get your shit in order, BBC.
	They are basically just the mouthpiece of the establishment now, and it really annoys me.
	Yeah, and I did see there was this, oh god, I can't remember the name of this woman.
	She came on the BBC and she starts to do, she's like the feminist, and she's just a complete, it's a complete witch hunt, but they don't, they gave her no difficult questions.
	I mean, you know, whenever somebody comes on, it's like, and they're like, oh, but, you know, what about something really stupid?
	And it's like, well, hang on, hang on.
	So you go to this guy, and you say, you know, like, you imply in a loaded question that there's inherent sexism in the workplace.
	And you go to this feminist, and you just talk about...
	Feminist is the workplace sexist.
	Yeah.
	It's like, come on.
	What annoys me the most, though, right?
	Because it's funded by the public, it should be acting in the public interest.
	But instead, it's acting in the interest of whichever political party is in the world.
	Oh, I'm not all of Western stuff, by the way.
	I know, I know why it is.
	It just pisses me off more than anything.
	It's just such a betrayal.
	But they have the exact same thing in Romania with our national television.
	So if it's not care where the money comes from, because the money is going to come from anyway, they just care to get favorable legislation by whoever is in power.
	Because they think, well, they're going to give them more money.
	Which they might well do.
	But I don't care.
	It's just they owe the public the truth about whatever's going on.
	For fuck's sake, it just drives me crazy.
	Sorry, I hate the BBC.
	I've hated them for.
	I know what you mean.
	I know exactly.
	And V, it's entirely because of the reputation.
	I bought into the good reputation of the BBC.
	Don't they have still a good reputation on some articles or some subjects?
	Possibly on non-political subjects.
	Yeah, I mean.
	If they were doing documentaries about history or geography or nature or something, yeah, maybe.
	You know, David Athena and all that sort of stuff.
	Yeah, great.
	Did you see that Channel 4 documentary?
	Which one?
	The one that was like, if you could get some power, we're all going to be in Rune.
	And I was like, oh, no.
	No, it was going to be racist.
	I did not.
	I like the discussion Sargon had with a journalist.
	What was she, Anna or something?
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, on your channel.
	No, no, not on my channel.
	The one from Jezebel.
	Yeah, that was on your channel.
	No, no, no, it wasn't on the street.
	That was on King Portland's stream, wasn't it?
	On the whole stream, yeah.
	So yeah, I had the conversation on your channel.
	No, you had it with a feminist.
	That was right, yeah.
	And I noticed at one point that she admitted to being disingenuous because you were talking about oh, why doesn't she notice that it's wrong?
	And you are talking about the game journal pro list and the other things.
	And at one point, she deflected the question.
	She said, well, yeah, I am, you know, I don't want to admit this wrong, but you don't want to admit Gamergate is about harassing women.
	And at that point, she was like, well, you just said that you don't find problems with these ethical issues.
	I tell you what, I've been looking at Gorka a lot.
	And apparently, they're all in the same office, you know.
	And it's definitely breeding a very familiar kind of culture.
	When you watch someone from Gorka, see how much they say the word interesting as a response.
	They say it quite a lot as if their opinion on what they've been told is important.
	But they all live in the same office, so obviously they are going to have the same speech.
	Well, that's the thing.
	But the thing is, I don't think it's by accident.
	I think it's specific methods of argumentation that they have been taught by maybe even Nick Denton himself.
	There's an interview with him from NBC or something like that that's on the net.
	I'll be using it in the video just to make some points because it's a very it's it's horrible.
	It's an organization of sociopaths.
	I don't think it's for sociopaths.
	I think it's just business.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	It's not.
	It's not.
	It is an organization of sociopaths that absolutely breeds sociopaths.
	Nick Denton is a sociopath.
	The woman who I was talking to was a sociopath.
	Well, I think Steven Denton.
	It should have said on your stream that you know what, yeah, there are ethical problems, but I think should have got fired.
	Well, that's the problem.
	That's exactly the problem, isn't it?
	But don't you think that is the same at other publications?
	Like if you're on The Guardian and suddenly talk about, you know what, I don't believe there is a rape culture.
	I don't believe this, that.
	Don't you think they are?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think it's the same.
	I don't think it's exactly the same thing.
	But you have to understand with Gorka, right?
	I think they don't care about other people's feelings.
	The people who get hired there, the sort of people who don't, right?
	And I say this because there's a video of Jimmy Kimmel talking to a woman from Gorka.
	And he's saying that they had this stalker app or something, where in almost real time, I think up to 15 minutes or something, or 15 minutes is pretty much the quickest this thing gets updated.
	But if you've gone to the cinema and you're a celebrity, and you know, say someone's like tweets Gawker saying, Oh my god, I just saw Nicholas Cage at the cinema or something, and then 15 minutes later it appears on their website, someone could go to the cinema before you've finished watching the film or whatever and stalk you and harass you and whatnot.
	Oh man, and no, no, no, this is something actually that Gorka does.
	And Jimmy Kimmel is saying that you know, he's like, Okay, so you did this to me, why would you do this to me?
	And basically, the woman is laughing in his face.
	She is just laughing at me.
	She can barely contain her mirth.
	And she gives him all kinds of reasons.
	One reason was, oh, he's got lots of money.
	He's like, So what?
	What's the makeup got lots of money?
	It doesn't mean I should be harassed.
	And she just ends up laughing in his face the whole time.
	I can't remember exactly what he says, but he ends up just hammering her, absolutely nailing her, just like, no, you're a fucking awful person, effectively, is what he's saying.
	And she's got the temerity to look shocked.
	And it's just like, no, bitch, you are an awful person.
	The thing is, she was exactly the same.
	The attitude was exactly the same as the woman from Jezebel I spoke to.
	Just complete disdain for anyone else's feelings.
	It's honestly.
	Every single journalists, and I'm not talking about Just Gawker, every single journalist, when they follow a news source like The Rolling Storms or whoever you want, they think that it's open season on them.
	They can write whatever shit they want.
	They can treat that person with the most hatred and the most bullshit and anything.
	But when it's another journalist, they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we need to be ethical about this.
	We need to have a bit of ethics now.
	You can't accuse him if honest it's proven, blah, blah, blah.
	It's hilarious.
	If you look at how that woman that did the Rolling Stones article was treated, or how the other journalists were speaking about Nathan Grayson and the others, they're like, oh, we need ethics.
	Ethics.
	Yeah, they just want to protect each other.
	They will protect their own, but when it's someone that's not a journalist, it's open fucking season.
	You know, these journalists, and I think you see how they all do communications degrees, right?
	I think a lot of this comes from the 12th rule, the rules for radicals, which is.
	Oh, God.
	I haven't actually read The Rules for Radicals yet.
	It's on my list.
	It's quite disturbing.
	Yeah, I can believe it.
	They teach it in communications classes.
	Do you know that?
	Yeah, I can't believe it, because literally the 12th rule is this: pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
	And that's exactly what they do every time.
	And then they also do something crominally second rule, which is never go outside the expertise of your people.
	Yeah.
	And this is what communication studies is.
	This is what communication study is.
	It's propaganda.
	It's teaching them how to be propagandists.
	And honestly, it's fucking awesome.
	And this week on Stupid, you highlighted another news which I stole from you.
	It's those two journalists that went to this meeting and apparently they weren't rationalized.
	I mean, it was a word they used for propaganda.
	And that was happening at the journalistic university.
	So on public grounds, they were holding meetings with minorities only while excluding white people and they didn't see the problem with this.
	They are racists and they think it's just fine to be a racist.
	But but that's the place where the journalists are spawned from.
	That's the university.
	Because I I just kept asking myself, do they give diplomas like candy now?
	It's like a diploma for you and a diploma for you, because these people can't write for shit.
	But they are Very good activists.
	They are very good at manipulating people through words and feelings.
	Yeah, they are.
	They're trained in universities to do this.
	Someone in the chat is like, really?
	Rules for radicals?
	This is freaking real.
	It's like, it absolutely is.
	Sololinsky, Rules for Radicals, and they teach it in university courses, in communication studies.
	It's so crazy.
	They taught us in law school that in order to have a public discourse, you need three things.
	And you can not have one of them, but if you have the other two, you're going to have a great speech.
	Number one is the evidence that you need to provide to back up your claims.
	Number two is to prove, you know, why should people listen to you?
	Like, who are you?
	Why are you speaking?
	Do you have any, like if you're talking about law, are you a lawyer?
	That kind of thing.
	And number three is manipulating the emotions of the people.
	So you can have basically throw away the proof, the research that you have done.
	And if you're just like an influential person and you know how to manipulate feelings, you're going to have a very great auditorium and people are going to listen to you.
	Yeah.
	I tell you, just thinking about the problem, right?
	The problem is that it's getting worse.
	It's not getting better.
	Every year, thousands and thousands and thousands of new students are being indoctrinated.
	And they are being pumped out into the real world where they are trying to get jobs in what is effectively social media, you know, blogging.
	And it's just spewing out more and more bullshit.
	And they're professional clickbaiters.
	I watched this document, well, this news segment with Nick Denton.
	And everything about Gorka is about the clicks, obviously.
	And they literally have a big monitor in their office that's up on the wall with the articles that they are currently running from various websites that Gorka owns in ranked in hierarchy to the number of clicks that they've had that day.
	Oh my god, that's interesting.
	Employee every week.
	So it doesn't, yeah, at this point, it doesn't matter the quality that you're musing.
	Not even slightly, not even slightly.
	It only matters if you're getting people.
	That's very interesting.
	No wonder they're shit.
	Exactly.
	And it literally about anything.
	It's just about the numbers.
	And so this is why they don't care.
	Them being provoked as them being complete twats, it's just about the results.
	Are you aware of WizardChan?
	Oh, yeah.
	I know what it is.
	Okay, so for the people who don't know, Wizardchan is basically a place where depressed men that are single and they are over 20s can go to.
	And they can talk with other men.
	They don't bother anyone.
	And there was this incident that I believe Ben Cuchera reported and used it in order to poke a lot of fun at WizardChan, where their IP got mixed up with some woman's blog.
	And all of a sudden, all the Wizardchan was on her blog.
	And she had a talk with the person that was running Wizardchan, and he apologized.
	He apologized repeatedly.
	And she said, you know what, there's no problem.
	That's fine.
	And they fixed the issue.
	But no, Ben Cuchera found the reason that this is a story.
	There's a story here and he needed reporting.
	And obviously he bashed on WizardChan a lot.
	Like the entire article is just him bashing on WizardChan while reporting this thing, which is not even a story.
	And now that you're telling me about this monitor in their room and all of it, it finally matches up.
	It's like this is why he did it.
	And you need to be like the lowest of the low.
	You need to literally be the scum of humanity to make fun of some depressed people.
	And as someone like, I've been depressed in the past too, right?
	And it's no good having a huge hate group pushed your way, you know?
	I can't.
	There's no moral justification for what these people do.
	It's just purely.
	It's.
	Yeah, the thing with Wizardchan just got me really angry.
	Sorry, I wasn't really listening there.
	I was trolling Matt Binder on Twitter.
	I'm never, never, ever going to let this go.
	But Matt Binder just tweeted something like, let me just find it.
	He's like, gamers commonly joke about the general population thinking that Samus' name is Metroid, but this is a very mainstream character.
	And I'm saying, okay.
	And this guy called the New Versailles was like, Matt Binder, gamers same at that.
	And he's like, who?
	And he's like, you know, gamers.
	Which gamers specifically?
	Gamers, just gamers.
	If you just interrogate what you said, you can't name a single one.
	And so I've replied to that saying, I've never heard that.
	I've heard social justice warriors say that, a hundred years ago, we're going through the chassel.
	Fucking mad bitch, Rossi.
	I'm never going to let him forget it.
	Never going to let him forget it.
	Aren't social justice warriors like stormtroopers from Star Wars?
	I mean, they all say the same shit and are very inaccurate.
	Yeah, that was the co-developer of Necromancer.
	That was him talking to.
	He goes on Polygon, and because he's not part of Gaming Game, but obviously he knows what's going on.
	And he hates social justice warriors as much as anyone.
	And he was talking to them, and it was literally at the end of this fucking long conversation.
	It was just like, man, you guys are literally stormtroopers.
	You're all the same.
	You can't hit targets for shit.
	Is the Necromancer going to be female?
	Will I have customization options?
	You will not have customization options, and it's not female.
	But I don't think it's necessarily male either.
	It's just kind of like an asset.
	Can you hyper-sexualize her?
	Never mind.
	I'm going to find someone that's going to patch that in.
	Yeah, you can probably have that.
	As a fellow game developer, I sympathize with it.
	We've got a feminality, though, so that's alright.
	Really?
	Can you kill Anita Sarkeesian in that game?
	It's not a need to suck ease in, but you'll recognize it when you see it.
	You should actually cause some butthurt with this, because if you cause butthurt, it's just going to spread the news.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, these people are so retarded.
	They don't understand.
	It's like, oh, let's ban a page from comic book.
	And now the whole world knows that page.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Just like the whole 8-chan thing where it's just like it's full of terrorists and all this stuff.
	And suddenly, boom, go with a number of people visiting 8-chan.
	Yeah.
	It's gone one here now, so I probably better get to bed.
	Oh, yeah, it's pretty late.
	Yeah, it is.
	I just don't want to disclose more about the Necromancer, because you know I'm going to ask you.
	Well, I've got a website if you want to go to it.
	Oh, I just wonder, like, the first demo you had was in sort of a fantasy setting, but then you posted the picture of a modern-day desert, and that made me go, like, hmm.
	So modern-day desert.
	Yeah, well, it wasn't like.
	How do you know that's not a fantasy desert?
	Because it had that modern housing thing.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah, no, it's set in the modern era.
	Oh.
	Oh, so it was in the modern era inside of Graveyard.
	The first level you did.
	Yeah, we've got five different tile sets, I suppose they are.
	Just out of curiosity, what language are you using?
	JavaScript.
	Oh, okay.
	What are you using?
	Oh, I'm a C guy.
	I love C.
	No, I was just in.
	I'm using Unity, so I have the option of using one or the other, and I took the path of least resistance because I'm lazy.
	Seriously, it was just easier to do Java.
	Yeah, I'm actually going to buy it because I want the part two of the game that's going to be turn-based, I hear.
	So he's saying, hmm?
	The only reason I want to support it is because I hear part two, the sequel, might be turn-based.
	Yeah, I was going to make this one turn-based, and I started looking into doing it.
	I created a backup so I could restore it if it went wrong.
	And it didn't necessarily go wrong, but I started getting into it, and I was like, oh, shit, I didn't think this through at all.
	And I think I was about three days into planning out how I was going to do this, and I realized, you know what, fuck this.
	It's just going to be way too much work to implement this at this point because I'm so far into the development of the game.
	But the next game I'm going to do is actually going to be turn-based.
	I mean, you've got to avoid feature creep as well.
	My question is, can you write blogs on Gamma Sutra?
	I'm not an expert blogger.
	I mean, you know, I think I probably could, you know.
	I'm curious if they're going to delete them or allow you to do that now that Alexander is gone.
	Oh, I would be very surprised.
	I don't think that ideological orthodoxy has been broken just because there was a blog on Gamma Sutra that was advocating for bro culture and it was like really, really bashing feminism.
	So I can't, I can't really imagine that.
	If you want to send me a link to it, that'd be great.
	I think I made a video, but I don't really recall.
	But I will look up to it.
	You should just try it like, make, make an exercise, write a small blog that's sort of against feminism and saying that you know games should be for free markets blah blah, blah and see if it gets banned.
	Yeah yeah no, but yeah anyway, I'm gonna.
	I'm gonna head off guys, because I'm absolutely shattered, but thanks a lot for coming on, thanks for inviting me.
	It's been fun and I hope that the people watching have found it fun and hopefully I'll see everyone again at some point in the future well tomorrow, in fact, because I have another stream with Razorfist.
	Very, very good, I do like.
	I do like chatting with Razorfist a good blog.
	Right, okay, see you later, everyone.
	Bye, both.

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