Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin - A #GamerGate Christmas Conversation

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Dec. 24, 2014 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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A #GamerGate Christmas Conversation

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	Hello everyone, welcome to the Gaminggate Call-In Christmas stream.
	How's everyone doing?
	How are you doing, Kerbs?
	I'm not too bad.
	How are you, sir?
	Very, very well, thanks.
	Right, so as usual, if you could tweet at Kerbs101, and he'll send you, he'll DM you a link.
	So follow him, send him a tweet, and he will DM you a link, and then you can join in and you can see your piece.
	So while we're waiting for some people to get on with it, I guess we'll just waffle.
	Are you having a good Christmas so far?
	Yeah, it's been I'm suffering from a massive bout of insomnia at the moment.
	Oh, really?
	What's going on?
	I'm just pretty much up 24 hours a day for some reason.
	It's the no work until January kind of thing at the moment now.
	Good thing I sent you birth the Federation then.
	Yeah, I've got something to fucking do.
	Seriously, I'm going to be playing that late night.
	Right.
	Okay, let me just get this sorted.
	Yeah, just going through the chat.
	You've had a few.
	You've got one from Andrew Cannon93, which is his thing.
	Probably a few others.
	There we go.
	Yeah, I'm still following him.
	Just so everyone's aware, I'm actually at my folks at the moment.
	So I have a stable internet connection that's really, really good.
	So I shouldn't be going anywhere.
	Which is a blessing.
	I'm having a great time with it.
	Okay.
	Just sending this out to a couple of people now.
	Fuck you, Google, just said trichloroform.
	Fuck you, Google.
	It's not date night.
	Okay, that's the first one.
	Some...
	Some guy said just tweeted, why do you always stream on work?
	And I'm thinking, oh, mate, it's Christmas Eve.
	You know, go and ask Mr. Scrooge if you can have the day off.
	Seriously, most people are off now, or just saying they'll work from home.
	Yeah.
	Seriously.
	Honestly, that's just savagery.
	We work far too longer hours these days.
	Yeah, I feel bad for people who have to do that.
	It's fucking horrible.
	Retail.
	Retail.
	That's the thing.
	Yeah, fuck retail, man.
	Well, apparently, Black Friday's had a really negative effect on Christmas sales.
	Really?
	Everybody just bought up early.
	That is actually what I did.
	Do you blame anybody?
	They didn't actually start the Christmas sales this.
	They didn't actually really run through with Christmas sales this year, and I think they're just going to wait for January.
	My mate was just telling me it's really actually quite quiet.
	Hmm.
	Right.
	Somebody should have a message out there to come in.
	So hurry up.
	That's actually a really interesting point because, I mean, you know, this is kind of what they get for selling everything at, you know, five times less than it would ordinarily be or however much they were getting off.
	I mean, my mum got me a really fancy exercise bike that was supposed to be £500, reduced to £165.
	I'm thinking, well, you know, this is clearly not below the amount that it costs to make.
	So you're obviously still making some kind of profit on this.
	So you were just really trying to gouge me with the other £300 odd pounds, weren't you?
	Well, apparently the stock that they sell at that point is just stuff that they'd have to return, like, to the manufacturers.
	Oh, really?
	It's um yeah, they they the stock that they're selling is well out of season basically and electronics are just completely out of date.
	So um it's just a way of getting rid of it all.
	Right, I didn't know that.
	But and we seem to have a caller, um they do.
	Are you there?
	Hey yeah, yeah, I'm here.
	Um yeah, I'm fine.
	Currently in Australia, we're just like four minutes into Christmas Day over here.
	Oh is it?
	Merry Christmas.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Ne uh you too Sargon, YouTube car.
	Thanks.
	What would you like to say?
	Let's see.
	Well I'm just getting a few thoughts on the future of Emma Gate I guess because we are fast approaching the point of ending 2014 and moving forward to two fifteen.
	This has been like three this has been like four months of a roller coaster and never ending rise.
	In February, it'll be six months.
	In February.
	Yeah.
	It's literally two months away.
	Well not even j you know well it is but you know just it's I can't believe how committed everyone's been frankly.
	Yeah it surprised me too.
	I mean back back then back when it was like just around 4chan and V, people were already gearing prepared for Christmas.
	It was that come people were that committed and fast forward to now.
	Man, I wonder if it's too much to ask for people to continue committed into the end of spring or something because obviously this this ride is not going to end soon.
	Yeah, I don't think for a second that the gaming press is suddenly going to come to their senses and realize, you know, look at Gorka losing millions of pounds and all dollars and look at all the hassle that's been caused.
	Why don't we just change?
	They're never going to do that.
	Well yeah I understand it is very much of a grind and I feel like people are either getting burned out after like four months in this or people are getting really complacent because of the holiday season.
	For what is worth I think I think it's fine to relax for now but after the new year I think we should like have some some sort of refocusing on most of our campaign including review initiative and also Operation Disrespectful Not and Operation Baby Seal.
	I think that's that is those three are the most important at the moment and also I would like to note that we shouldn't I I don't know I don't know it is a common sentiment for everyone or just my own observation alone, but I think a few people is banking on the death or the AAA on saving saving us from the journals like in January or February or whatever.
	Now I think it is completely possible but people shouldn't be banking on that and be complacent with their with their emailing or their Twitter activity.
	I mean it's Christmas and I'm preparing to take on a lot of stuff.
	Stay vigilant and keep an active mind.
	I mean it's okay to relax but as usual please don't stay complacent and such.
	Yeah I agree actually.
	I think I think that's a really good point.
	I think well don't rely on outside forces to come in and do anything for you.
	The only people we can rely on are ourselves.
	Very clearly, especially after Jimmy Wales' bloody Wikipedia debacle.
	Honestly, that Gamergate article is just disgusting.
	So yeah, don't rely on people who you think may be impartial or pro-Gamergate.
	Just keep sending the emails.
	Keep doing what we do.
	And I was actually thinking something for the new year.
	I was actually thinking we should completely refocus on journalistic corruption.
	So I was thinking if what we could do is make a massive list of literally every single goddamn event, every tiny thing that they've done wrong, and make just a video of it just as factual and just concisely delivered as possible.
	Just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
	These are all these points that these are examples of corruption.
	These are things that we're pissed off about.
	These are the things that they're defending.
	How can you be on their side?
	Yeah, exactly.
	And that would be a very good idea.
	And I think a lot of you people are going to take off on your offer doing it.
	Also, let's see.
	I would also like to note that if possible, like people on Twitter or on Reddit, if possible, if you guys could join in the digging of information in the IRC channel, which is in recent, mostly at Burgers and Fry's channel, in which I will tweet out the details to Sargon later.
	It would be really good because we only need like 1% of people on Twitter just joining the digging, and that would be so much helpful for us now because a lot of info is going to drop soon.
	And there's a lot of dirt beneath the Gamergate that still needs to be buried.
	And any help we can get is very valuable.
	I mean, yes, you can always have fun trying to bitch the fuck out whoever the troll that messed with you the other day and such.
	We certainly do not touch and destroy and everything.
	But I would like to have some sort of effort to put in on slightly more productive things, if you will.
	Totally agree, actually.
	As fun as it is, touching the poop.
	I agree.
	Do you want to tweet me the link of the IRC or send it to me in the messaging here?
	And I'll tweet it out so people can go there and help.
	Because me and Kerbs and a friend of ours called Phil Schill, we have been doing a lot on the Digra stuff, and we've still got another video to do.
	And so, honestly, reading these goddamn papers is a nightmare.
	They are written in such a convoluted way, aren't they, Kerbs?
	Yeah, they are absolutely awful to actually read.
	And I tell you what, I think that's why she created that bloody chart that I sent you the other day.
	I don't know if you had a look at that.
	I actually haven't yet.
	I've been a bit busy.
	Okay, it looks like a five-year-old discovered MS Paint and then decided to try and make academic writings on it.
	It was fucking hilarious.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	I really don't think that the fact that they write in such a convoluted way is by mistake.
	I think it's entirely by design to keep it opaque from outsiders.
	They don't want people outside the little clique reading it.
	Yeah, so it's become taking a long time to do these things.
	So if other people want to arrange the information and then send it to me en masse, like just literally bullet point lists, then accompany it.
	And I'm happy to make that into a video or like, you know, if there's too much, which I'm assuming there is, I'm happy to make a multi-part series of just examples of bloody corruption in gaming journalism.
	We can literally just do ten-minute videos or five-minute videos, just bullet point, bam, bam, bam, bam, you know?
	Or one thing that would really help, if somebody has an Athens log on, that would be really helpful.
	Yeah, that would be really helpful as well.
	But sorry, do you want to carry on, mate?
	Let me see if there's something else I could touch.
	And well, for now, I don't think I have anything else to say outside of do not touch.
	Do not touch the poop.
	Keep a critical critical and thinking mind.
	And also, dissension within our ranks is not shilling.
	Please don't throw around like shoe or tom police.
	I'm really tired of people disagreeing one another and then suddenly get called shill or tom police even though they have been committed to Gamma Gay for as long as the next one.
	I'm kind of tired of it.
	It's almost like our version of our version of the anti-misogynistic misogynist and a harasser thing because if you accuse one another of being shi-tone police, the conversation at that point just shut down and it will become even more vitriolic if it wasn't vitriolic in the first place anyway.
	And yeah.
	And aside from that, happy Merry Christmas to everyone and happy holiday and a happy holiday.
	I wish that Gamma Gay will have a very productive 2015 and I will be here at the ride with you guys.
	Thanks very much for coming on, man.
	I really appreciate it.
	Right.
	My Twitter handle is at Tedo if you guys want to follow and whatnot.
	But anyway, see you guys later.
	Thanks, Sargon, for allowing me to voice my opinion.
	I really appreciate it.
	And I also really appreciate that you give other people a stage so that they voice their opinion as well.
	Anyway, happy holiday in 2015.
	My pleasure, man.
	Thanks for coming on.
	See you.
	Who's next, Curves?
	The next one was it?
	Shen?
	Yep.
	Hello, Shen.
	Hey, how are you doing, Sargon?
	Happy Christmas.
	Really well.
	Happy Christmas to you, man.
	What would you like to say?
	If you remember last time, I was a guy with a fedora, and I don't have my camera on today because apparently my room looks like shit because I'm too lazy to clean it.
	Anyway, and I wanted to share one more thing with you from those books.
	I had to turn them in because school's ended for me.
	I passed.
	Anyway.
	But one of the articles they had was from a lady who wrote for, and I'm not kidding you, Gawker, Vox, and Jezebel.
	Remind us what you were turning in.
	It was feminism in English textbooks.
	It was my English composition class, and we were like, you know, writing essays and shit.
	You're at university, are you?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Right, that's worrying, isn't it?
	Very.
	And so when we're in chat, I mean, we're in chat.
	When we were in class, the teacher's like, you know, going over this, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on a second.
	You got to consider the source.
	And she's like, what about it?
	And I'm like, well, do you know who these sites are?
	I said, Vox.
	I said, Bawker is the equivalent of the National Inquirer, which I would not wipe my ass with.
	Probably.
	Fucking Gawker.
	Sorry, go on.
	No, no problem.
	And I'm like, and Jezebel, well.
	It's just a subscriber of Gorka.
	It's just more Gorka, for fuck's sake.
	Anyway, so I was just like, oh my God, you've got to be fucking kidding me with this shit.
	It was just mind-blowing.
	It's hideous, isn't it?
	I mean, how the hell does that get into your English class at university?
	How does that happen?
	Who signs that?
	Feminism.
	That's how it happens.
	Honestly, it's bloody ridiculous.
	But Christ, was there anything else?
	Because we're getting a backlog.
	Sorry.
	No, no problem.
	It's just, you know, bad shit, crazy feminists.
	It's like, if I have no problem with feminism, to an extent.
	I have a problem with this fear-mongering wave of feminism and blame the patriarchy on everything.
	Oh, yes.
	You know, I really loved there was an article.
	I don't know if Milo wrote it.
	It was about guys spreading their legs a bit on the tube.
	Man spreading, yes.
	Yes, yes, exactly.
	Fucking hell.
	Okay.
	I want to see the women who are complaining about this kind of shit.
	I want to see their selective service papers.
	Because as a male in America, when you turn 18, you must sign up.
	Or you are denied benefits later on.
	You could be denied jobs.
	Like, you know, government positions.
	I don't think you can.
	I'm pretty sure that being able to vote was bundled with selective service in America.
	But, you know, it's great because it's like, hey, you know what?
	You can bitch about me spreading my legs so I don't cause myself physical pain.
	But I want to see the papers where you can get drafted into the army in emergency wartime situations.
	Okay?
	Like, fuck you with that shit.
	Seriously?
	Okay, man.
	Was there anything else?
	Sorry, we're just getting more and more people arriving.
	Oh, no.
	That was pretty much it.
	Have a happy Christmas, everybody.
	You too, Matt.
	Thanks a lot for coming on.
	Not a problem.
	Goodbye.
	Next is Brian.
	Brian, how's it going?
	Hey, guys.
	Very well.
	It's kind of dull afternoon up here in Glasgow.
	Are we training, as usual?
	I tweet under Invisible JMBSH.
	And what I noticed today was the start almost of Kotaku saying, oh, gamers are wonderful again.
	Really?
	I noticed an article from them.
	Someone tweeted it, whether it's the start of something.
	I mean, it seems we're almost in a reformation of gaming media at the moment.
	You know, people don't trust them.
	There's been a lot of issues surrounding that from cultural and also how they've treated the customer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That much is obvious.
	And we're obviously approaching the new year where they will try to say, hey, let's just forget about all the bad things we did.
	My question to you is, myself, obviously it doesn't stick with someone like me who is informed.
	But do you think they will try and take that line over the next few weeks?
	Saying, forgive us, we love you, after all, type of narrative.
	I don't think that they'll say forgive us necessarily, because that would imply wrongdoing.
	And if there's one thing they don't like doing, it's admitting when they're wrong, isn't it?
	So I would be very surprised if they did that.
	I'm not saying it's possible.
	I just don't personally see it happening.
	I would say that they'll probably try and sweep it under the rug.
	And when some new thing comes out, they'll probably say, oh, we're gamers or something, you know.
	They'll just try and hang out with the cool kids.
	Yeah.
	So my question is, how after that is, well, how do we make sure they don't get away with love bombing their way out of the problem?
	Well, I think that we need to definitely have media and resources on hand.
	So when Kotaku says something, we can just post a link or something of Kotaku saying the exact opposite, being giant fucking hypocrites.
	Yeah.
	I think that would be the best way for me.
	Do you think that these alternative sites, I know that someone set up Muck You to review their viewers, and there's also this thing from Jenny Barrage.
	You think they'll actually survive and help to challenge these people?
	Well, I mean, Based Gamer has got my $10, so I hope they do.
	And I really like the idea of a gamer-focused metacritic, effectively, you know, where people, you know, a meta-gamer site, which actually sounds like kind of a cool name now that I've said it.
	But, you know, where literally, like I was saying to Jenny in the stream, if it was just people, anyone could just register an account, sign in, you know, write a review of a game, and then post it, and then people could up or downvote that review, given on how useful it was, that would be amazing.
	I think it would work great as well.
	I think they got a bit more than $10 from me, but I am so worried that they wouldn't meet their budget, to say the least.
	Yeah, and again, like Monday Matt was saying, what's she doing with the social media campaign?
	Because I don't see anything around on it.
	She should be everywhere.
	She should be in everyone's faces going on about this.
	And I very rarely see anything about it.
	I mean, just me, but I don't know.
	I am worried.
	I'd like it to succeed.
	So what's plan B?
	Would be the next one.
	Well, I'm currently enjoying TechRaptor, NicheGamer, and GoodGamers.us a lot.
	Yeah, they're doing some good work.
	There is a site I would like to pimp as well at the same time, which I have mentioned before.
	Mindless Zombie Studios as well.
	They definitely need some more traffic.
	Let me just find the URL.
	Sorry, I've just found it.
	But they cover everything from video games to board games as well.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Tabletop.
	Yeah, mindlesszombystudios.com.
	Really good site.
	I've just started actually reading that in the last couple of weeks or so.
	And they accept admissions as well.
	And there's some really, and the stuff they write is really well written as well.
	Great.
	I've just tweeted them out, so don't forget to check them out, everyone.
	Yeah, so that was all.
	I thought it was good to mention all of these links and bring them up and get the conversation going.
	Definitely.
	Again, I really think that pulling our own up from the ground and giving them a platform and a voice to actually do the work we want to see done is very, very important at this point.
	So that's my personal opinion, anyway.
	Yep.
	Thanks, guys.
	Not a problem.
	Thanks a lot for coming on, man.
	Cheers.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye.
	Who's next?
	It was Hesham.
	Hesham, how's it going?
	Good afternoon, guys.
	Hello.
	Hey.
	I'd just like to point out that a social justice warrior tried to use child pornography to prove a point.
	I think that's quite funny, actually.
	I just heard about that.
	Dan Olson, wasn't it?
	Yeah, I believe he used to work for that guy with the glasses or currently still does.
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, but I literally just saw Bob Chipman tweeting about it.
	Oh, really?
	What did he have to say?
	I'll just get out because I love his insightful wisdom when it comes to these kind of situations.
	I want to see if he can defend posting child pornography.
	I think he's actually just deleted it.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, I think he has.
	I can't actually see it anymore.
	Wow, that's interesting.
	Because what he had said, what he did say was, you know, here's a radical idea.
	if your movements defend directly defending child pornography maybe it's a bad movement and I was just I wanted to I was just just about to reply to it I think, Bob, you fucking hypocrite.
	You're the ones posting it.
	Yeah.
	We're not defending it, you dip shit.
	We're attacking you.
	Yeah, because Mundane Matt, this is where I first heard about this one.
	I believe it was Monday Matt.
	Yeah, it was.
	Who did that video about it?
	And obviously, he has shown his support towards Gamergate.
	And I just found it very interesting because obviously he found it despicable.
	And they're trying to spin it off as we're trying to support.
	I'm kind of confused where their logic comes from.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, they're the ones who've brought it up.
	They're the ones who have propagated it.
	And honestly, I've just got no interest in talking about child porn.
	Just contact the fucking authorities.
	Yeah, this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
	It's a smear tactic.
	Yeah, it's a distraction to what the actual discussion is to go, oh, hey, look over there, there's a thing.
	And then it's like, oh, but I'm holding the bomb in my hand.
	Oh, crap, it's exploded in my face.
	Like, that's the whole thing that's going on right now.
	It's quite hilarious, actually, how this kind of worked out.
	I think it's vile.
	I can't believe that they would do this.
	Oh, yes.
	Just Christ down, Olson.
	Get your fucking shit together, man.
	I still find it quite shocking that.
	Because obviously people, you know, some people aren't exactly in the know when it comes to these sort of things.
	So when it comes to the media, they're told over and over again that don't listen to these people.
	These people are all bad.
	These people are all whatever.
	And such, you know, just ignore them.
	But when you see things like this and you hear about these things, like, you know, all the articles, all the abuse that's been thrown around, I'm starting to find it very difficult to understand how people can think that Gamergate are the quote-unquote bad guys in this scenario.
	Because obviously these people who are against Gamergate are doing so much wrong.
	Like, as Monday Matt said, literally exploiting children that have been exploited to prove some point.
	I don't know what the point is.
	But it's not even to prove a point.
	It's just to slander us and defame us.
	I mean, Ralph was all over.
	I'm just going to tweet out Ralph's article about it because, you know, Ralph has been all over this and just really nailed the facts down before they get the chance to twist them.
	And I think he did a really great job of being really on the ball there.
	Because I was travelling down to my folks, and then I got here, turned my computer on, and everyone's talking about child porn.
	And I'm like, what the hell is going on?
	Yeah, I've kind of been out of the loop for a little bit, for a couple of weeks, just exactly what's going on.
	And then I see this video pop up on Monday Matt's channel, like about HN or whatever, and I just can't listen to it while doing some work.
	And yeah, it's just quite funny, actually, that this all happened.
	Oh, especially as it's not like Hot Wheels hasn't addressed this before.
	If there's anything on there that violates any kind of laws, he takes it down.
	What more can we ask?
	Actually, really appreciate his ethic when it comes to that sort of thing because obviously, you know, he has an environment in where you can actually talk about things that you want to talk about.
	But so long as you're not breaking any laws, then that's fine.
	Which I think most websites should employ, but I don't know.
	These people are quite in favour of censorship.
	Not that I, I mean, you know, it's up to them how they want to operate.
	And if Dan Olson wants to find dig up a load of child porn to put on his article trying to defame Gamergate, then that's his choice.
	But I'm not going to read his article.
	No, I'd rather not have police knocking at my door, which probably is going to be happening to him very soon.
	Oh, Rogue Rogue as well.
	He was on top of this as well because he literally tweeted out Twitter's terms and conditions that said, you know, if you tweet child pornography links, then that's your account getting suspended.
	Then you have done something wrong.
	And he was all over it.
	He just, honestly, Rogue and Ralph did an excellent job sort of containing their desperate attempts at slander there.
	It was really good.
	It's terrible.
	And on the subject of censorship, it's just, I find it very hard to understand why these people can't see that they're doing the same thing that people did in the past.
	Like, you know, Christians would ask for things like Doom to be banned or Pokemon to be banned because Pokemon encouraged Satanism.
	I think there was a video that Digino Gaming posted a few weeks ago or about a week ago, which was basically just telling you all about this thing where it's like, oh, Pikachu, you know, the famous Pokemon is Japanese or Jewish for there is no God or Pokemon means that God doesn't exist.
	And all this weird crap.
	And you just laugh at it and you're just like, wow, this is amazing that people actually thought this and were spreading this around.
	I think there's a famous video from, I think, 2009, I think.
	I think back when I used to watch Ray William Johnson's videos in those dark days.
	But yeah, when I used to watch those, he did a video about this pastor who was saying, look at this evil, diabolical monster that people summon these Pokemon or whatever.
	And it's just like, you fast forward to present day, we have people like Anita Sarkeesian and, you know, your favourite.
	Jonathan McIntosh.
	Yeah, your favourite Jonathan McIntosh, you know, your main man telling people that all this stuff causes, you know, misogyny and hatred of women and all this other stuff.
	And it's just like, can you not see that you're the same?
	You know?
	Oh, they are literally, it's exactly the same principle.
	Exactly the same.
	But I think we'd better wrap it up there, man.
	I do apologise if I went on a little bit too long.
	Not at all, not at all.
	Yeah, great work.
	I love your videos.
	Thank you.
	And it's great that you're giving us all a platform to voice our opinions.
	I like to hear from everyone.
	I like everyone else to be heard as well.
	So thanks a lot for coming on, dude.
	Yeah, I hope you all have a good holiday, whatever you celebrate.
	But yeah, take care.
	See ya.
	Bye.
	Who's next?
	Next is Josh.
	Josh, how's it going?
	Hello.
	It's going alright.
	I never thought I'd join a stream and hear you guys discussing child porn.
	Well, we never thought it would come up either.
	Like, for the past couple of days, I've just been seeing it on my Twitter.
	I was like, wait, why are these guys talking about child porn?
	What?
	Well, it seems that the anti-gamers have decided to talk about child porn a lot.
	So, I mean, what are you going to do?
	All we can do is say, listen, guys, go to the authorities.
	We deplore child porn like every sane person on earth.
	So just fucking, you know.
	I'll show Gamergate to his boss.
	Best retreats child pornography.
	Yeah, the anti-gamers are idiots, aren't they?
	No standards.
	There's no standards at all.
	That's just fuck.
	That is beyond belief.
	That was brilliant.
	You know, it seems to be a bit of a meme or something, because there was this one girl called Sam who was tweeting at me a link to a website called theantifeminist.com.
	And she was like, your videos are being hosted on a child pornography site or they're being linked to on a child pornography site.
	What do you have to say about it?
	And I was like, well, nothing, really.
	The only place I can control my videos is when they go on YouTube.
	And I honestly don't believe that a site called the Anti-Feminist Site or something like that is actually a child porn site.
	But if you believe that to be true and you're tweeting at me, now I have an obligation to block and report you.
	And she was like, well, you know, it is.
	I'm not lying.
	And it's like, listen, are you going to commit to this?
	Because that means you're tweeting child pornography, which is against Twitter's terms of conditions.
	So are you an idiot?
	And so I had to block a report, you know?
	So you painted yourself into a stupid coin moron.
	I mean, I didn't even look at the site, but I really doubt it is.
	I really doubt it is.
	It's like a really early Christmas present for everyone who supports Game of Game.
	Yeah, I think they're going to just...
	You are what you repeatedly do.
	So if they're going to repeatedly talk about child porn.
	Oh, that's... It's just... Idiots.
	They're just such idiots.
	Oh, that's fucking great.
	Was there anything else you want to comment on?
	Yeah, I came on to talk about a company called Double Bear, who have just released a game called Deadgate.
	Have you heard about it?
	No, I have not.
	Total Biscuit tweeted out today that the game company Double Bear, which is like an indie company, have released their first game on Steam, like fully released there, ready for Christmas sales.
	Right.
	So a guy went in and gave a review about it, you know, saying I've got a screen cap somewhere saying that the game was buggy, that it was game-breaking glitches everywhere.
	You know, how could you release this game early just to get Christmas sales when everyone's like fun to do on Kickstarter and stuff?
	And a developer from Double Bear flagged his review because it violated community guidelines.
	Really?
	I can't find it.
	Deadgate, is it called?
	Yeah.
	I can't find it.
	I mean, I can see on the Steam Workshop there's Deadgate and Deadgate 2, but in each link there's literally nothing, just a picture of a ship.
	Do you want me to link it in the chat?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'll tweet it out, yeah.
	Alright, this is the company.
	I'll see if we can find the link now.
	Oh, Dead State.
	Sorry, I.
	Oh, Dead State.
	It's because I'm Welsh.
	I can't pronounce words properly.
	It is exactly because you're Welsh.
	So half my family is Welsh.
	I know exactly what that's like.
	So, Dead State, Zombie Survival RPG.
	I got an image link as well.
	Right, okay.
	So basically, they're just abusing the system.
	Yeah.
	And then I went on the, like, who reported it first, like, and then the names pop up, rock, paper, shock, and Kotaku, Destructoid.
	Oh, yeah, I'm seeing it, yeah.
	And then I go on the person's Twitter account, like, one of the devs.
	And she was just tweeting stuff like, oh, it's always so nice when a dick bag you banned from your forums for being a dick bag writes a Steam review to try and destroy your game.
	Because apparently, it's not just happening on Steam.
	They do when they're on their own website.
	And then she goes on to say, at what point did we tell any consumer ever it is super okay to threaten any creator if their wishes are not exactly catered to you what who are these people then?
	Because I'm presuming that they've got connections with people in the press, frankly.
	When I googled them earlier, Game Dev Tycoon came up, so I don't know if some of them have worked on that or not.
	Right, okay.
	I'd be interested to know more about them if anyone does find out anything about them.
	Because honestly, it seems very, very strange that they've got, I mean, you know, some quote-unquote prestigious sites to cover their product, even though there doesn't seem to be any goddamn reason that they would.
	Because so many fucking people are just right off the bat.
	Like, Escapist is up there, game trailers.
	And then more stuff comes on.
	Rock, paper, shotgun saying, I'm excited by this.
	I've been wanting a single-player zombie theme survivalist.
	Oh, like, there aren't enough of those, what?
	Yeah.
	No offense to anyone doing it.
	I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
	It's just, it's not an original idea, is it?
	Yay, Daisy.
	Yeah, you know, or was it Project Zomboid or any of them?
	I mean, it's a fine genre, but it's not like rock, paper, shotgun could be like, oh my god, I've never seen this.
	What was the last one that happened this time last year?
	Was it The War Z or something?
	Oh, probably.
	I can't remember now, to be honest.
	But then the dev went on even further to go on a Tumblr and make a giant rant about it.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Oh, she sounds awful.
	One paragraph she says, and that one person could do us so much harm.
	One fucker who thinks we won him an apology for bugs being in a game and who is willing to try and burn down the reputation of my company because we don't respond to his hijacking his harassment.
	What?
	You do owe them a bug-free game as much as possible.
	What the hell kind of attitude is that?
	And then they go on to say, what possible reason could a $30 purchase warrant that?
	It's like, well, the guy funded your Kickstarter for Joe and Greenlight and then spent $30 on a game that was pushed just to get holiday sales.
	Yeah, he's definitely you owe him.
	He's in his rights to complain.
	Without a doubt, that's a disgusting attitude to take.
	Oh, fucking hell, man.
	Some of these people.
	I'm glad people have caught up on it because now there's a lot more negative reviews coming out saying, you know, I'm not going to purchase any future releases by this company.
	I fully stand by the people who are saying that 100%.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Like any informed consumer, you really have to.
	You can't just let these companies push you around, especially when they're literally saying we don't owe you a bug-free game.
	It's just what the hell kind of attitude is that?
	Oh, I guess you bet, I just remembered.
	The development team are on holiday for a month, so there won't be a batch update for all the game-breaking bugs for at least a month.
	They release their game just before Christmas ahead of schedule, full of bugs, and then they piss off on holiday for a month.
	Yep.
	Holy shit, that's irresponsible.
	Okay, well, there we go.
	That's definitely something on my list of things not to do when I release Necromancer.
	Fucking hell.
	I'll tweet the Tumblr post to you if you want.
	Yeah, please.
	I'll retweet that.
	Alright, cool.
	Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
	Thanks very much.
	Thanks a lot for coming on.
	Take care, man.
	Who's next, Kev?
	It was Amantis.
	It was Amantis.
	How's it going?
	Hey, I'm doing excellent.
	I wanted to come in with some good news about a game.
	Great.
	I don't know if you guys have heard, but there's depth.
	It's got sharks and looks pretty badass.
	One interesting thing about it is that the review scores that were given for it were relatively low.
	They gave it in the 60s it got like a something like that, Metacritic.
	Total Biscuit I saw gave it a good review because it was in the Steam sale.
	And then I saw the overall Steam reviews and the Steam user reviews were off the moon.
	It was like, yeah, lots of people seem to really like it.
	So, you know, maybe check that out.
	Are you a diver?
	I'm just looking, I've just Googled it.
	I take it you're a diver in the game or something?
	Or yeah, it's multiplayer only, or you can be like two sharks and there's four divers.
	I haven't actually bought it.
	I just saw it, you know, but I'm just chilling.
	So doing it for free.
	Yeah, no, it does.
	It does.
	And it's made by a small team as well.
	And I think you should, you know, look out for people.
	Yeah, what is it?
	Yeah, it's a really interesting idea.
	It looks like it's a PvP, a team PvP, divers versus sharks.
	Yeah, apparently, it's pretty terrifying, I saw.
	I also want to say there's probably going to be, in regards to Gamergate, there's probably going to be a bunch of developers that are going to start speaking out soon now that after the holiday has come.
	But the thing is, if there are boycotts, representatives of companies cannot speak out on behalf of Gamergate because they're siding with a group of people that do have these kind of boycotts.
	Even though we say boycott of the day as in like that's a person that we contact to get their advertisers aware of practices.
	But an idea of a boycott is like, yeah, we can't do it if we want to have developers.
	And, like, I don't know, I'm saying we, but, like, there's no real we.
	Okay, but there will probably be developers that will come out and start to do that soon.
	As a personal thing, I'm a developer for like a relatively, I don't know, just a thing.
	I don't even really want to talk about it very much.
	But I do their kind of web architecture and performance and stuff.
	And I have done games and I have done education-based games.
	And that's where I came from.
	I studied software development at uni and I did that for a couple of years.
	And I also was really interested in producing music.
	Hello.
	Can you hear him?
	Uh no, I think he's gone.
	Okay.
	Um oh well I don't know where he was going with that.
	Um come back if yeah yeah he'll come back.
	Um Zach is next.
	Hello Zach.
	Hello Sargon.
	Hello, how's it going mate?
	I'm pretty good.
	How are you?
	Really well thanks.
	Really well.
	Good.
	I just came on to say really that this whole fucking and everyone who's anti-Gamergate it really pisses me off a hell of a lot.
	As a games developer myself it it angers and frustrates me that they're essentially trying to kill the free market.
	Oh well Jonathan McIntosh would happily tear it down tomorrow wouldn't he?
	Well Jonathan McIntosh is a fucking idiot yes yes he is I mean there's a lot of things I want to do with this whole Gamergate situation.
	I want to make games that'll just fuck off like fucking annoy all the social justice warriors but that's probably not itself.
	Yeah yeah probably not.
	No.
	I get really annoyed by this whole thing.
	And Metalgate as well.
	That's again another thing at the moment that's really annoying me.
	They're trying to say that it's misogynistic.
	The problem with metal is metalheads though isn't it?
	I mean really well yeah apparently.
	Fucking hell.
	If anyone listens to social justice warriors that's exactly what they'll think.
	I mean what?
	I'm both the games developer and a musician primarily metal.
	So this is just sort of a double thing that fucks me over really.
	No no totally understand me.
	It's you know my one of my favourite genres of music as well so for me it's metal and punk so and and grunge as well actually.
	Grunge is good.
	Yeah I just I like anything that's quite aggressive with quite heavy guitars.
	Yeah and not fucking shit auto-tune.
	Yeah exactly.
	You know so I'm I'm really kind of not too bothered about what genre I'm in as long as the music of that type is good.
	Yeah.
	So it's pretty good.
	Yeah it's I you know that's the thing with Metalgate right?
	It's the the groundwork is being laid.
	They're writing the articles where they're saying oh well you know metalheads are the problem.
	You know we need more social justice.
	We need to grow up all that sort of crap and it's just like this is the groundwork being laid for your own Gamergate.
	You know and I'm I would say probably you know six months time to a year's time or something like that.
	You know they don't have the sort of critical mass that they do in the video game press.
	Yeah.
	But seriously, you know people in metal they really should be watching out for that.
	I know.
	I mean what's next?
	A couple of months down the line we're going to get ten fucking articles posted online at the same time saying metal is over.
	Yeah metal heads are over.
	Yeah.
	You know nobody likes metal anymore.
	Metal heads are probably some of the loveliest people I know I've ever met.
	It's incredible isn't it?
	It really is.
	You know no oh it just pisses me off more than anything.
	But yeah was there anything else you wanted to say mate?
	I don't think so.
	That's probably about it for me really.
	Cool.
	Well thanks a lot for coming on dude.
	Not a problem.
	Thank you for having me.
	Not a problem.
	Amantis are you back?
	Yeah sorry.
	Sorry about that.
	Sorry what were you saying mate?
	Okay.
	I wanted to talk about something that I'd been working on and that I'd released as a kind of Christmas present to Gamergate and I call it the Gamergate mixtape.
	Okay.
	And I'll probably send it to you but it took me a lot of lot of time and I do have a lot of listens.
	I do have a lot of scrolls on Last FM.
	I have over 125,000 and it's like quite a lot.
	Send me a link and I'll tweet it.
	Yeah, I will.
	I'll do that.
	But I took up some of your time.
	I don't want to take up too much more.
	I don't know if I've been speaking too long, Curves.
	You have a little bit, to be honest.
	To be honest, at the moment, I'm trying to juggle.
	Twitter's been an absolute cunt with regards to sending out the link.
	So I'm having to get people to actually email me.
	So feel free to carry on for a bit longer than usual.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I do have a couple of things that I project that I'm working on as well because my Twitter name is AmantisMe.
	And I actually bought Amantis.me and I want to start writing that as a blog about some of the kind of like more interesting, kind of like philosophical definitions of some of the things that we talk about when we talk about games, and the first one that I want to tackle is games as art, and the idea that games are art,
	I think is wrong, and I think fundamentally, it's when we play games we produce art, and so people would naturally see their playing as art because, like when they're controlling a character, like when they like kill like 50 people in a row, they're like an artist of death, or when they do whatever they, they are doing, they're the artist,
	and and that's how Roger Ebert was right and the legions of gamers that spoke out were all technically wrong, but I can understand from their subjectivity that they would see the object as art, but the object itself, the game, is not art, it's a game that's.
	That's a very interesting idea, that the actor playing the game is the art itself rather than the game itself being the art.
	Yeah, and and like different games attract, like different groups of people and different groups of people have to have different communities and different guidelines and so on, and and from a from a developer perspective, it's uh, it's really difficult to to strike that balance um, on like where to draw the line as a private entity.
	Uh, and you know, I just kind of like, I just kind of like want to put out kind of chilling vibes to everyone and just say like they're like working on it, you know, and they're listening, except for the people that block, they don't give a shit, but then even then they are listening.
	They do follow you.
	I think they follow trends, don't they?
	And Lao yeah, but you know I, I'm I'm kind of done for now.
	So listen to the Gamergate mixtape.
	It's 15 songs and I think they're all pretty excellent songs.
	So, and they, they weave a story about Gamergate leading up to the internet, of Aristocrat leaving and then being like I'll maybe be back in six months, and some interesting themes that I followed and it was really difficult to make.
	So I hope you appreciate it.
	Thanks for letting me on.
	Have a good holidays everyone.
	Cool man.
	Don't forget to send me a link to it.
	Sure.
	Take care man.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	Who's next?
	Simon's next.
	Simon?
	Hello, Conrad.
	Yes, thank you very much.
	Well, I'm just your I'm just here, most of all, to wish you all a Merry Christmas from the Warsaw Pact.
	And besides that, I'm usually the old fuck that isn't in the now.
	I'm not entirely sure what has been going on with Gamergate as of late, because you know, Eastern Europeans and their obsession with Christmas preparations and whatnot.
	But mostly I would like to bring up that I noticed that the Ralph Retort is a site that a lot of people here speak fondly about and whatnot.
	But ever since I saw Ralph Retort for the very first time, I couldn't help but notice, but not only does the site look, but also reads like just, you know, a tripe tabloid.
	Well, it is tabloid, isn't it?
	Yeah, and no doubt.
	Yeah, and that just kind of begs the question, can we actually say that we want to stand for ethical journalism when we support sites like Ralph Retort?
	Well, that's an interesting question.
	I've got two points that I'd like to make just quickly there.
	One, I don't think it's fair to say that just because he has tabloid presentation, it doesn't mean he can't be ethical or be informative.
	I've not seen anywhere to suggest that Ralph has made up any stories, falsified his information, or anything like that.
	And ultimately, he wears it on a sleeve.
	He doesn't say that he's not a tabloid.
	And I think that he provides a service that is useful to GameGate.
	So that's my opinion, anyway.
	Yeah, the modus operandi of any tabloid or dishonest journalist, I noticed that it's not that they lie bold-facedly unless they're absolute fucking loosely sure they can get the hell away with it.
	It's more that there are just a lot of unspoken truths, details omitted, you know, stuff just covered in a way, you know, it's the spin zone, right?
	It's called a spin zone for a reason.
	I agree.
	And I think this is interesting because I think that that is a good again.
	I don't even think it's a bad thing that tabloids exist in themselves.
	I think it's a bad thing that people take tabloids more seriously than they necessarily should.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with what Ralph has done, as far as I can tell.
	There might be.
	I'm just not aware of it.
	I kind of don't want to dig up dirt from the past, but I'll just say this and leave it at that.
	Steve's articles were very poorly handled.
	Steve's articles?
	Which ones were they?
	Sorry?
	Well, not written by Steve about Steve.
	Steve Tom Sawyer.
	Oh, right.
	Yeah, well, I think he's a bit of a, well, he's a known quantity now, isn't he?
	Yeah, well, I'll just say this.
	I don't particularly...
	I'm just going to say that I never particularly thought that Steve was a professional person.
	That's...
	That's a given, the way he acts, the way he just conducted himself when doing carbon-based radio with Robin and whatnot.
	He's not the most entirely professional guy, but these allegations that he suddenly the person that leaves his company makes allegations that he's completely sexist, that he's groping co-workers or hitting on them, or, you know, a lot of accusations were flung, but I didn't see much substantial evidence on the side.
	Because when it came down to it, Ralph had an interview with a person that had all the incentive to lie about that occurrence when he was allegedly kicked out of his home.
	And then some restraining order, which, as far as I was told in America, a woman has is like, you know, she takes, it's more effort for a woman to take a piss in the woods than to get a restraining order on a man.
	Yeah.
	So a restraining order didn't exactly mean jack shit either.
	Right.
	Basically, I kind of even confronted Ralph with it.
	I was like, I was trying to be respectful, although I'll admit I'm a four-year-old communist fuck.
	I know I can be very crass to people.
	So I don't know, maybe Ralph took offense, but when I was actually saying, like, okay, Ralph, but you saw a story, that's fine.
	You said that Nierdon is your friend and he asked you to do this article.
	That's fine.
	But what I'm seeing in this article, and this was before the second one was published, is not substantial evidence to damn anyone.
	It kind of went with a back and forth.
	He devolved into a bit of mudslinging.
	I devolved into mudslinging back because I'm not going to be the twat that says he took the high ground.
	Fuck the high ground.
	I want to call somebody to come to piece of cunt.
	And basically, it ended up with Ralph blocking me.
	And, well, they kind of died after that.
	So, hey, maybe Pixil Jenny has a point.
	Blocking people does discharge shit, but not in the best way.
	Okay, that's interesting, actually.
	I'll be doing a live stream at some point with Ralph because I'd like to sit down and have a conversation with him and pick his brains and see what we can take.
	One last caveat before I actually leave, because I know there's a cue forming behind me, and if I know anything, that cues are a bitch.
	Well, Merry Christmas, and maybe don't call these wish-washy feminists Marxists.
	I know it kind of sounds like those sex-positive feminists getting up in the roars, but trust me when I say a guy that's been studying Marx since fucking grade school because he was ordered to, I can safely say that none of these fucking people even did a short glance for the Communist Manifesto, let alone anything written by Rose Luxembourg or Trotsky or even fucking Lenin.
	Yeah, I think it's important to stress that what they're talking about really is the Frankfurt School.
	I'm not even sure I know that school.
	Well, that's how relevant it was to the regime.
	Exactly, it's not.
	It's something that was probably, I think it could quite easily be considered entirely separate.
	But they consider themselves to be neo-Marxists.
	When they're writing their papers in academia, they title them praxis through a neo-Marxist feminist perspective and shit like that.
	Yeah, that's my question.
	What the fuck is a neo-Marxist or a social Marxist?
	I mean, it's hard to define.
	You guys do realize you're attaching the word social to an economic theory, right?
	Yeah.
	That's like fucking saying, hey, we're going to practice social bicycle riding.
	It's like.
	Okay.
	I totally agree.
	The problem is this is their terminology.
	This is what they call it.
	I get a lot of this from people from Eastern Europe saying, this isn't Marxism.
	It's like, look, man, it's not my word.
	This is what they call it themselves.
	So, you know, I'm sure that they've got Marxism wrong, without a doubt.
	I mean, they seem to have everything wrong.
	So it wouldn't surprise me if they fucked that up too.
	But I agree that it's certainly not communism that they're asking for.
	I mean, granted, we don't have the best reputation, and I'm not going to be one of those millennials that's going to be whitewashing.
	It's like, no, no, I totally admit we fucked up in the long run.
	We completely, we got our shot.
	We completely fucked it up.
	And that's why we probably won't be relevant for at least another century until people come to tits about those little gulag things.
	Are you saying that there's a communist plot to re-establish the Soviet Union?
	I cannot deny or confirm.
	But why are you asking about you?
	I think he would like a word in his office.
	Well, I will.
	He won't know.
	T-80 tanks are on your loan.
	Yeah, I'll see you in the next one.
	Yes.
	Hey, are you invading?
	And yet I am walking my dog.
	It looks like a tank.
	It's fat dog, okay?
	Okay, man.
	Well, thanks a lot for coming on.
	And when I have an interview with Ralph, I will definitely bring up these concerns.
	Because I think they're valid.
	By name, I think this shit has circled the drain long enough.
	No, no, no.
	These were things I was planning to talk to him about anyway.
	Why the tabboard format?
	And the thing is, I can see why it's a successful format, you know.
	And that's the thing.
	As long as he keeps by a certain set of rules and doesn't start bullshitting, I don't see a problem with it.
	I personally haven't seen any examples of impropriety or anything like that, so I haven't got anything to call them on myself.
	but I'll announce when I do the interview so people can send me questions if they want and stuff like that, and I'm sure that Ralph wants to answer them, you know, because I'm sure that he's you know, I've seen no particular reason to think that he would be trying to evade them or something like that I think he knows what he's about.
	Well, nothing left for me to do is happy Christmas, happy holidays.
	I don't get that.
	In Poland, we always said happy holidays.
	And we're like a 98% Catholic nation, so go for a figure about that one.
	And remember, in Soviet Russia, Santa doesn't bring you coal, and you freeze to death.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	Cheers.
	Cheers.
	Who's next?
	It's a toss-up between Oliver and Foxagon, but I just want to know if Foxagon's got it working.
	Yeah, we'll go for Foxagon just because I've seen him drop in and out.
	I think I'm good.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	How's it going, mate?
	It's going swimmingly.
	Swimmingly.
	Did you see who Kotaku's 2014 Gamers of the Year were?
	No, I didn't.
	Who were they?
	It's gamers.
	Kotaku's 2014 Gamers of the Year are gamers.
	Where are we looking?
	Has someone got a link for me?
	I'm on Kotaku's site, but I hate Kotaku's site.
	I'll throw the link at you.
	Yeah, cheers, man.
	I'll tweet it out, and everyone can be like, why the hell are you tweeting Kotaku?
	They kind of debate it earlier, but I'm not going to dig through my Twitter to find it, so there's the actual link.
	It's gamers.
	What the fuck, Kotaku?
	I'm just tweeting this.
	I thought this was mildly interesting.
	Yeah, would you like to tell me what the article is about while I'm sorting this out, please?
	Basically, they mention Gamergate a couple of times.
	There's this part up here.
	Let me see if I can find it.
	It talks about how he used to write for MTV News, which or MTV.com, which seems to explain a lot to Tillo used to write for MTV.com.
	He talks about this year calls for something different, in part because of what so many of us went through in the summer and fall.
	The events of Gamergate and the Christmas that surrounded it, making it hard to talk about gamers without addressing it.
	I wonder why.
	You supported this.
	Your website ran articles supporting the death of gamers on August the 28th, like every other one.
	Why the hell would he be saying gamers are the ones who are the most valuable players or whatever he's saying?
	That makes no sense whatsoever.
	He goes on to talk about PewDiePie and some of the professional gamers and all this.
	Basically, gamers out there doing good things in the name of gaming.
	Giving the gamer name a good thing, but I thought gamers were dead.
	How could they possibly be doing that, Stephen?
	I'm very interested.
	I know a way to respond.
	The best part is the very last line.
	It's here's to the gamers I think we all want to be.
	That's fucking inspiring, Stephen.
	Yeah, here's to all the gamers who help gaming improve, who treat each male and female gamers, who treat each male and female gamers, not gamer, and game creators with dignity who disagree without trying to ruin each other.
	Fucking hell, you shameless son of a bitch who disagree without trying to ruin each other.
	You tried to ruin the identity of gamer, Totillo.
	Fucking right, yeah, fuck Kotaku.
	One of my Twitter followers, I forgot his name, but he tweeted at me earlier and he said he highlighted this paragraph that you just talked about.
	And he said it's ironic that Gotaku puts this paragraph out and it's something that they themselves did not do whatsoever.
	He really fucked that up.
	Fucking hell, Totillo.
	Just the balls of it.
	The balls to say we don't need an ethics policy.
	We don't need to do any of this.
	And then, yeah, yeah, we're all pro-gamer.
	It's like, fuck yourselves.
	Jesus.
	I always wonder what's going to happen if someone breaches any of these new ethics policies that are in place.
	There's no...
	Oh, nothing.
	There's nothing up about what happens if someone breaches it.
	It just seems all for nothing.
	It's, I guess, we got them to rewrite the ethics policies.
	And, you know, like Milo talks about how that's a big deal.
	And it would be a big deal if it mattered to these people.
	It didn't matter before writing a new ethics policy or just creating one that they did not have before.
	It doesn't change the fact that they don't give a shit about ethics.
	That is entirely my concern with the quote-unquote ethics policies they've implemented.
	If they had to be pressured by thousands and thousands and thousands of consumers to say, look, we are relying on what you write to advise us on how to spend our money.
	So we need you to have journalistic ethics.
	And they're like, oh, fine, well, we will if you're going to force us.
	How can we be sure that they are going to call each other up when they spot it?
	How can we be sure?
	And you damn well know there's another game journal pros list, you know, without doubt.
	Right after the other one went down, there was a new one already up.
	Yeah.
	And the thing is, if not, they're probably just all on Facebook or something using a mass message or something like that.
	Something simple.
	Hopefully someone will smarten up and leak that as well.
	But I doubt it.
	The other one had 153 members, if I remember correctly.
	Yeah, they'll be more clever about it, won't they?
	And then you have people like Kachera in there who are just stirring shit and pissing people off.
	Eventually someone is bound to say, okay, well, guess what, dude?
	Fuck you and your little group.
	Yeah.
	I don't like that.
	Eventually they're going to piss someone off because they can't not.
	They can't not dogpile.
	They can't not bully even their own members.
	And if Gamergate remains as not like a way out, but a sort of, you know, if you don't listen to me, I'm going to go and tell Gamergate, which is effectively what they're probably going to say.
	That's probably a good thing in itself.
	So it keeps the fear of God in them, you know.
	I'm with you, though, about needing a major refocus on what Gamergate is, what Gamergate is about.
	And it's it like I realize Gamergates, whether people like it or not, including myself, I don't like that Gamergate is part of the larger cultural war that's going on.
	I hate that it has to be a part of it, but it is.
	And it's something that it's distracting from the core issues of why this began.
	But I just wish people would not be so much 90% culture war shit, 10% ethics.
	Maybe try to find more of a balance somewhere.
	Yeah, well, it's a tough, it's a tough thing, though, isn't it?
	Because it's easy to just cultivate.
	It's just torture.
	Yeah, and they push it so hard.
	They put it in front of you because they know it's a lot of shit to swallow.
	And once people get into it, they go, oh my God.
	Yeah.
	This is one deep ocean of bullshit.
	I actually was at my friend's house the other day developing Necromancer and I was literally telling them about Le Alexander's XOXO Fest talk and they did not believe me.
	One of my mates is just he's not a developer.
	He plays a lot of Mac Warrior Online.
	And he was just like, well, I know about the Game Gate thing, but I'm not really that bothered because I don't go to Kotaku and stuff.
	And I was like, okay, that's fair enough.
	But do you want to hear the sort of shit these people say?
	And I just played them, Leia Alexander's XOXO Fest talk.
	They got about a third of the way in before one of them was just something, we've got to turn this off because it's pissing me off more than anything I've ever heard.
	You know, just her going, I'm biased, I have an agenda, fuck everyone, all that sort of thing.
	He was just furious.
	But I made them sit there and watch the end of it.
	And they were speechless.
	Absolutely goddamn speechless.
	It's just incredible, the shit that comes out of that woman's mouth.
	Oh, you might have seen it.
	I mentioned it.
	But I mentioned it on Twitter a couple days ago.
	One of Leigh Alexander's top five games of 2014 that she picked was Kim Kardashian's little mobile game there.
	I shit you not.
	And the first thought that came to my mind, the first image, was her standing up in front of a crowd trying to seem important.
	Like, look at me.
	Look at me.
	I'm the wannabe celebrity up here.
	I'm the wannabe socialite.
	And one of my favorite games of 2014 just happens to be fucking Kim Kardashian's mobile game.
	How is that an interesting cultural product, Leigh Alexander?
	Come on.
	You're always talking about that sort of shit.
	Tell me how this qualifies as one of those interesting cultural things that are going to move gaming forward.
	Honestly, that's what she keeps saying in her goddamn interview, in the XOXO speech.
	And it's just, okay, well, go on.
	You know, Leia Alexander, Kim Kardashian's game.
	Justify it.
	Her justification in the actual article was, I think, like a paragraph, just one little paragraph.
	I read it, but I don't remember a damn thing about it.
	But I do know it was more of a personal fucking thing, some useless crap.
	Nothing to do with DDLD.
	No, of course.
	Nothing useful.
	Yeah, you were talking to someone else earlier, too, about bugs being in games, but people releasing that Deadgate Death Gate, whatever the hell it games.
	And Dead State, I think.
	There was this guy, his name's Jacob Makaishka or something like that.
	He's the CEO of a company called Grip Digital, Little Game Development Studio.
	They put out one game that I know of.
	They put out a bunch of games, but it's only one that I know the name of, and I don't remember the name of it right now.
	He said on GamesIndustry.biz that gamers are responsible for bugs in video games.
	I shit you not.
	How?
	How could that possibly be true?
	His reasoning, I almost see what he's trying to get at, but it's the most poorly reasoned thing I've ever heard.
	He talks about, well, you know, pre-order culture, man, you buy Assassin's Creed, whatever the fuck, and then the next year you buy the next one, and you expect it not to be full of bugs.
	What's wrong with you?
	And the other one was full of bugs.
	It's like, do you realize this is a different product?
	This is a new $60 people are throwing down on a new game in the hopes that it's a new bug-free fucking title.
	I don't understand how gamers went into the development studio and bashed on people's keyboards when they weren't looking and then left and got a bunch of bugs in the game.
	I just don't get it.
	It must be that they're complaining that it's the gamers who are finding the bugs or something, you know, and allowing studios to release games so so early in the development cycle that they are naturally going to be full of bugs.
	But I mean, that should be a symbiotic relationship.
	It should be, hey, look, you know, you've got an early copy of the game and they're like, oh, great, you know, okay, I've got the early copy of the game.
	I enjoy playing it.
	Here's a list of bugs.
	And the developer, if it were me, I'd be like, you know, that's brilliant.
	I mean, one of the things I hate to keep pimping my own shit, but one of the things about Necromancer, that I did that video, I've been working on it like every weekend because it's the only time we get to work on it.
	Putting in all of the changes that people have made.
	Even, you know, the most harsh criticisms are the most useful because they are the truth of what you need to fix, you know?
	So I don't know why they're complaining about people saying, hey, you've got loads of bugs in your beta pre-release game, because that's a damn fine thing for people to tell you.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to talk about one more thing, and then I'll get out of here.
	I'm a treasure trove of information.
	You could probably talk all day, but the people here.
	Well, I'll tell you, you've got a YouTube channel, haven't you?
	So we'll have to, you know, if you want to do a stream or something, I'll come on your channel at some point and we'll have a chat.
	I need to start doing more YouTube stuff, that's for sure.
	I let my YouTube go trying to chase different things and take a break from Gamergate and all this other stuff.
	And I let my YouTube channel kind of die for like two months straight.
	But anyways, I just want people to be very aware that there's an influx of people either from something awful, you know, maybe some of Quinn's goons, who knows who the fuck these people are.
	But they're coming from somewhere.
	And they're targeting people specifically.
	They're targeting Rogesar.
	They targeted me a couple of days ago.
	And, you know, they tweeted pictures at me from my wife's Facebook of me, my wife, and my son.
	And I took it like a champ because it doesn't affect me.
	And my wife thinks it's hilarious that these people would get so butt hurt as to go on Facebook and find this stuff.
	But they were like, you know, we're coming.
	Watch out.
	And all this other shit.
	So I just tweeted a picture of the Second Amendment and was like, okay, well, you go ahead.
	You do what you need to do.
	You feel you need to do their champ.
	But these people are out there and they do manage to stir up some infighting.
	Because I think people get confused as to who people are addressing when they're trying to talk back to these people.
	So the best bet is that, like, don't do what I did.
	I went off on these people for a while.
	But don't do what I do because we might say something that may anger some of your Gamergate compadres.
	And you don't mean to, but by the time you're getting 50 or 60 notifications a minute, you can't keep up with everything.
	You're trying to, but you fucking can't do it.
	So you're going to get short with people.
	Tempers are going to flare up.
	It's just Twitter, but tempers will flare up.
	So just be mindful, people.
	You might have 500 followers, 10 followers.
	It doesn't matter.
	If you tweet with the Gamergate hashtag, they could come for you.
	It doesn't matter.
	So just be aware.
	They're out there.
	They're on Chan and fucking Chan.
	Man, 8chan especially.
	That's where all this Gamergate talk usually goes down.
	And I can't help but think, you know, what percentage of people on that board are people just trying to shill and cause trouble?
	Because it seems every other day.
	It's an 8chan.
	It's the greatest strength and greatest weakness at the same time.
	But I feel like it's doing a lot more harm than good because it's distracting.
	Day after day, it's another distracting thing from the actual issues we're trying to get at.
	And people are just abusing the shit out of it.
	Well I'll tell you, I think there's definitely a conversation that should be had.
	It's definitely something that we should talk about in the future, really.
	Yeah.
	What I'm thinking is I can you know I'll see if I can set up an a conversation with Hot Wheels and anyone else who feels qualified to comment on it really.
	I would actually love to talk about Hot Wheels.
	I'm not a Chan person.
	I don't really give a shit about Chan boards.
	I like the whole freedom of speech thing obviously as a fucking combat veteran.
	I understand freedom of speech is important to people.
	But I don't think the people who go to these channels and then come out of it feeling entitled or empowered or emboldened to be a prick to everybody, especially in a distracting way.
	You know there's a lot of people out there who go to chan and are empowered by this shit.
	I can't stand those people.
	And we're getting a lot of those type of people in Gamergate.
	They can't take criticism of any kind.
	They just go off calling you a faggot and tweeting you anime porn in response.
	It has nothing to do with anything.
	Absolutely.
	It's nothing to do with anything.
	It's fucking stupid.
	I agree that it's definitely a conversation that we can have.
	And I'm more than happy to do it.
	But I think we've probably better wrap it up there for now.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Well, thanks a lot for coming on, man, and we'll talk again in the future.
	All right.
	See you later.
	Take care, man.
	Bye.
	Kirbs, do you mind taking the next one while I grab a cup of tea?
	Yeah, no problem.
	Thanks, man.
	I'll be back in a minute.
	No problem.
	Oliver, you are next.
	Awesome.
	Can you hear me?
	I can indeed, yes.
	Excellent.
	Well, first of all, let me say hi to everyone, and I hope you have a very, a very merry, jolly Christmas tomorrow.
	So one thing I was hoping to speak about today is what does everyone think about basically canning sort of third-wave feminism and basically calling it what it is?
	I think that we have reached the point where we are now at the fourth wave of feminism.
	And it is partly because, do you know about the sort of the generational just impotently screaming into the abyss?
	Because if you look at what third wave, I mean, third wave was building on what the first and second wave did, primarily with a lot of, if you look at what their list of achievements, unfortunately I don't have a camera because you'd see me doing air quotes, but their list of achievements are basically a bunch of court cases that reinforce what they won in second and first wave feminism, mostly to do with sexual harassment cases.
	And then you've got fourth wave, which is basically we don't know what to do and we need something to fight.
	And I think, again, as has been said multiple times, this is where Gamergate has come from.
	I think that all these people that have come through all the social justice courses, so to say, they've come out and they've gone, okay, where's the war?
	We are soldiers and we have no war to fight.
	And I think that's the case of where we are now almost.
	They still perceive a lot of injustices to exist in the world towards women.
	And the idea is that a lot of feminists don't identify themselves with the majority of these bulk ones say that, yeah, it's better, but isn't much of an argument because there's still things that they perceive to be some issues.
	And I'm not entirely against feminism.
	It is an offshoot of egalitarianism that focuses predominantly on women issues.
	At the moment, I mean, I've seen a lot of these sort of tweets trying to make it more about sort of like a class thing, making and a lot and it is more mainly sort of radical, is that they're and that's the thing that we need to not confuse is that we're not against regular feminists here, we're just against like the extremes like you would have on the far right on the far left as you would have from you know a mentalist UKIP supporter,
	you know, to a Green Party member.
	There are always going to be sort of like the these extremes.
	So, yeah, it's but it's up to them if they want to rebrand.
	But I think in doing so, you know, creating sort of feminism plus would be just, I don't know, make them sort of like an easy target.
	They're sort of blending in at the moment.
	The rads are blending in and sort of, in my opinion, you know, pushing the more sort of moderate people, the more moderate sort of voices towards this fringe.
	You know, they say something, they say something outrageous and then wait for the reaction and then look at the reaction and say, oh, this is why, you know, we need feminism to be like this.
	Yeah, you white hiss, horrible scum.
	Oh, God, I literally, I don't know where half these, like, seriously, I think it must have been a year ago.
	I didn't know what half these fucking words meant.
	Yeah, this entire thing has been such an education.
	I used to watch the internet, you know, the internet aristocrats video on the tumblerisms.
	And I have to say, some of these videos when I first watched them, I had to seriously think, was he making them up?
	And then I went and looked and I saw them.
	And I was just like, absolutely gobsmacked that these people exist.
	And I just had to stop and think, how do these people stop and function in real life?
	Because I work in the media industry and I have to put up with a lot of crap sometimes, particularly when you're pitching ideas.
	And there's a lot of times where your idea is going to get shot down really hard.
	Like we were doing, I won't say it, but we're doing a pitch and basically got shot down within the first five seconds because the programmer was just like, not interested anymore.
	Not interested.
	It's been done before.
	But we're like, wait, wait, we've got a twist.
	I said, no, not interested.
	And we just got absolutely shot down.
	And the thing is, though, we were two guys pitching it.
	And I guarantee, if that had been the other way, and it had been two women, and if those people were social justice warriors, they would have turned around in a second and gone, sorry, you white, horrible, his sexual scum.
	This is how women can't get a foot in the media industry.
	In fact, who did you have on?
	It must have been a couple of live streams ago.
	You had a woman, and she was saying how she was sexually harassed.
	I can't remember what her name was, but she was working in a studio or something like that.
	And she said she had some money thrown at her.
	And I listened to the story and I'm just like, well, again, I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt, and you do not have a break almost.
	There is a reason why the entry-level job into the media industry is called a runner.
	If you're sitting there standing still, you're doing your job wrong.
	And literally on a break, there is no such thing as a break because there'll be lightings to set up, there'll be props to reset, you'll have to sweep the floor, you have to be doing something.
	And I was just like, you said you were sitting there in a chair doing nothing.
	And I'm like, I'm sorry, you need to be doing something.
	Even if it was just getting a sandwich, Christ, anyone who works in the media industry knows if you go out, you get some coffee, you get someone a sandwich, then they will owe you big time.
	Like, you literally have them by the ball, so to say.
	Next time you want a favour, they'll do it to you because you went and got them a sandwich or you went and got them a cup of coffee.
	It is the greatest feeling in the world when someone brings you a cup of coffee and you didn't ask for one.
	Seriously, you have no idea how good it is.
	I mean, the thing about the Tumblr people is I think they do exist in the real world.
	They manage to struggle on by, but as soon as they get behind the keyboard, they basically, you know, just it, all this shit just pulls out, basically.
	They're obviously they exist in their own microcosm.
	I think Tumblr isn't you know, I don't think it's really taken seriously.
	I don't think I think these people, you know, they function, but then they're just they're tired of their lot and they seem to perceive a lot of injustice basically on the failings, their own failings in life.
	So it would be it would be fascinating to do like a psychological study just to find out where all this stuff actually came from because I think this are quite hard to I think you could pinpoint it, but I'd say it'd be quite a task to actually do.
	Well, there's all there's always been idiots.
	There have always been you know disturbed people.
	It's just now the internet gives them a voice.
	Not everybody had access to that voice previously.
	I mean, when it was only print, etc.
	Now everybody, I mean, fairly or unfairly, you know, has access to blurt whatever bollocks they want into the airwaves and you know be read by people.
	So you're about you're bound to get the shit and it's just the way that it happens.
	I just want to I noticed somebody saying they took offense at Nigel Farage and the UKIP thing.
	Fuck UKIP and fuck Nigel Farage.
	Just want to say that while I'm on air basis.
	Yeah, I completely agree with you, but I think I almost say I want to go to voting people now to say vote people.
	Seriously, if you live in the UK and you do not vote, shame on you because I hate people like Russell Brand.
	I seriously do going around.
	Oh yeah.
	I think he's an absolute moron.
	I really do.
	Yeah, that guy literally looks like he discovered a GCSE fucking textbook on socialism and just regurgitates it at any possible.
	You know, he's trying to make a film on his activism bullshit.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's going to be hilarious when that comes out.
	Did you see the letter that the guy wrote to him?
	Yeah, well, that did go on quite a bit.
	There were a few sort of things.
	I did enjoy that somebody actually had the gall to write him.
	There were some salient points.
	It wasn't perfect, but yeah, he needs to be called out more in his bullshit.
	He has got.
	I mean, that's the thing.
	We're now so heavily polarised by the drunken fucking Yarbos that support UKIP up north.
	And then you've got the social lefties in this country.
	He's so polarised at the moment.
	It's either going to end in a fucking civil war at some point.
	Yeah, well, I'm from Yorkshire, so I was not too far from Rotherham.
	Oh, me too.
	I'm from Yorkshire originally.
	Yeah, well, I know a couple of weeks ago, you had the EDL and all them come for the mass marches in Rotherham.
	I have a friend who owns a shop there.
	And they couldn't operate that day.
	They had to just completely shut down.
	And then they released a petition to the council basically saying, look, we're fine for people having free speech and marching and demonstrating.
	But on the level that they had when they had it, we couldn't operate.
	And I think they worked out that she had lost something about two or three thousand pounds in business just on that one day alone.
	And again, I'm all for it.
	But when you're marching to that extent, yes, it's for I entirely agree for the reasons they were doing it.
	But you're endangering someone's livelihood.
	And there's a point where almost I think you have to be considerate when you're protesting.
	And sometimes people aren't.
	And you know, people give a lot of shit to the police.
	And I've always said this: being a police officer must be the hardest job in the world.
	And I have absolute respect for the police.
	They've done some shit in the past year, but you know what?
	It's a fucking difficult job.
	I can't do it.
	What exactly has this got to do with Gamergate?
	Oh, yeah.
	What are you two talking about?
	We went on a tangent.
	Yeah, sorry about that.
	That's all right.
	Should we wrap up the tangent there, though?
	Yeah, sorry about that.
	Yeah, you will go for a cup of tea.
	Seriously.
	I trust you.
	I will stick my hands up.
	I have no idea what Gamergate is going, what's happening in Gamergate at the moment.
	So I was just talking about something that was slightly interesting for me.
	Okay.
	And he indulged.
	Sorry about that.
	We're from Yorkshire.
	If we were in a pub and a pint, this would be perfect.
	Pull the world to rights in seconds.
	Okay, well, we'll wrap up next.
	We seem to have a bit of a shot.
	Thanks, Judo.
	Have a happy Christmas and good new year as well.
	You too, man.
	Take care.
	Same to you.
	Who was next?
	I think Elijah was next.
	Elijah.
	Hello, Sargon.
	Can you hear me?
	I can.
	How's it going?
	Pretty good.
	Thanks for letting me on the show.
	I was glad to catch your stream.
	Even though I was up all night and I was trying to go to bed, but damn you.
	I'm glad you stayed up.
	So I just want to say happy holidays and Merry Christmas to you and Kerbs.
	And yourself?
	Thank you.
	I want to start off with a little good news.
	I don't know if you're familiar with the game Destiny at all.
	I'm sure you are.
	Yes, sir.
	Well, me and my raid team were two minutes off the world record for the newest raid after last night's run, so that was pretty cool.
	Very good.
	Speaking of Destiny, I kind of want to make a quick comment on the whole thing where I don't know who said it, but some game dev said it was up to the consumers to seek out bugs.
	That's bullshit.
	As someone who's put 500 hours in that game, I feel like a glorified beta tester for the last, you know, how long the game's been out.
	Doesn't mean I don't like the game, but I mean, there was so much shit that they were constantly changing, so many bugs on raids, you know, enemies that would just a random ad during a fight that would kill one-shot you.
	It was the same one every time that had the same spawn point.
	They had to fix that a lot.
	A lot of game-breaking shit, a lot of stuff where you couldn't even finish a raid, having to go through all that.
	I think it's garbage and it's lazy to leave it up to us.
	I'm okay with a few bugs, but you can't just like on Xbox, there was a huge bug that lasted.
	It lasted two months where you couldn't be in a party and you couldn't like your game party couldn't be in a chat party at the same time.
	It caused your game to lag to the point where you couldn't play it because they had implemented some implemented some new chat system that ran at the same time and you couldn't stop it.
	And that lasted for two months and almost made the game unplayable.
	But stuff like that.
	They shouldn't leave.
	There's plenty of big stuff like that.
	It needs to be fixed as soon as possible.
	And it's almost lazy to say it's up to the consumer to find these out.
	It's very lazy, especially in a large, you know, in a AAA production.
	If it was an indie team, I can understand it.
	Yeah, this is the game that had the most, you know, its budget was something retarded.
	I think $500 million or something you can see in a big James Cameron movie.
	But anyway, off of my tangent, I've kind of stepped back from Gamergate, not so much on the front line, defending it at all costs.
	And I kind of realized, I watched your recent video on Metalgate, and I think that's, you know, that's kind of a recent thing that's starting.
	I don't know.
	I haven't looked much into it other than your video.
	But that and just the, you know, the all the fake, you know, they're making fake accounts, you know, they're making bot accounts to have fake, you know, you know, cases of harassment and the fact that they're kind of shifting.
	The same people are shifting focus and have the same arguments on metal music, you know, another kind of sub-culture that's not really paid attention too much by the mainstream, maybe a little bit, but you know, not as deep as it, you know, as you would go to a gaming website or what, you know, whatever.
	I think they're losing.
	You know, I think they're losing, they know it, so they're trying to switch sides.
	They're trying to, you know, all costs do whatever they can, and they're losing.
	So I'm not too worried about Gamergate.
	Interestingly, I think the important thing to point out is that it's different people.
	I think it's people who are being trained and conditioned in the same way with different, I'm going to say interests, but I'm not sure that's necessarily right.
	But basically, you know, I think that a bunch of them have gone to these communication courses.
	And, you know, the teacher's probably like, oh, why aren't you here?
	Oh, I'd like to talk about gaming.
	Why are you here?
	I'd like to talk about metal.
	I'd like to talk about this.
	And they've all had their brains formatted in the same way.
	Because if you look at the rhetoric they're using, it's exactly the same as for Gamergate as it is in the metal scene, but just replacing the keywords to change the context.
	That's it.
	Yeah, I was watching your video and I was blown away.
	I was like, did they literally just copy and paste from Gamergate articles and just change the letter, you know, the words around?
	It was stupid.
	So that's why I kind of thought, you know, maybe it's a sane group of people.
	But really, it's this.
	It's my generation.
	And it's embarrassing to be a part of this generation.
	It's a generation that every they're entitled, they think they're oppressed.
	Obviously, they think they're fucking oppressed.
	Like this is the Middle East or this is 1960s Russia.
	Which is funny because they're because they fucking praise Marxism like it, like it's just this saving grace from evil people exploiting capitalism, which is absolute bullshit.
	That's the thing that infuriates me the most.
	I'm in college and just I see the, I took a, it was a political, it was just an intro political science class.
	And there's this guy, biggest asshole, the biggest, you know, traditional fedora-wearing neckbeard dick you'll ever see in your life.
	And every day he would find some way to either, you know, shit on a capitalism or small government.
	You know, he said, you know, status, people are too stupid to make their decisions.
	People shouldn't have to work for a living.
	He said working, working, the phrase working for a living was offensive to people who can't work.
	Yeah, it's supposed to imply that certain people should die.
	You know, it's just stupid.
	That's ridiculous.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
	He's ripping his shit straight out of Tumblr, I swear to God.
	But, you know, this whole generation of, you know, I don't want to be offended.
	If I find this offensive, it needs to be destroyed.
	If you say something that offends me, I will do whatever I can to stop you from saying that and hurt you in some way.
	It's a combination of cowardice.
	And social media is leading to this.
	It's helping this out.
	You can ruin someone's life from behind a computer.
	If they say something you don't agree with and you don't want to confront them on it or talk to them and say, hey, I don't like this.
	You don't want to have a debate because you know you're going to get destroyed anyway with your retarded ideology.
	You're going to attack them.
	You're going to dox.
	I just got an argument the other day on Twitter.
	He's like, and I don't want to go into what we're arguing about.
	But he ended up, you keep talking to me and I will dox you.
	And I fucking froze.
	He's like, no, I'm out.
	You fucking win.
	I'm not getting doxed here.
	I'm not getting my social security number, my address spewed by your fellow hate mongers so they can fucking harass me.
	No, I'm smarter than that.
	But that's exactly the problem, though, isn't it?
	It's not about who's right or wrong.
	It's about the mob.
	The high mind, the high mentality.
	But they're all activists.
	They're trained in academia to be activists.
	I mean, if there's one thing, just looking at Adrian Shaw's quote-unquote research, it's all activism.
	The next video about the end of gamers, why gamers had to end, I'm going to do this, is going to focus quite heavily on just the calls to activism.
	It's all about what you can do as a reader to advance the cause.
	And it really bothers me.
	That's not academic research.
	That's an agenda.
	That's agenda pushing.
	And this is what it's creating, though.
	It's creating a whole generation of people who feel entitled to be activists on Twitter and whatnot.
	And like you say, ruin people's lives.
	They think that they're doing the right thing when they victimize an individual.
	Yeah, they feel like if someone's an asshole, that gives them the right to fucking ruin someone's life.
	It's just like here in America, we're having an epidemic of police shooting unarmed and innocent African-American people.
	And their main argument is, well, just because he felt his life was in danger, he shouldn't do whatever he can to protect himself, or he has no right to end another life to protect himself.
	But the flip side, these are the same people that if you were to piss them off on Twitter, would try to get your Social Security and your credit card number out there on the internet so people can fuck up your life horribly.
	They don't see their hypocrisy.
	I know killing somebody and putting their Social Security and credit card information is a little different, but there are similarities and it just goes right above their heads and they don't see it.
	Or they do see it, but they don't want to admit it to themselves.
	I really don't know if it's willful ignorance or if it's just plain stupidity at this point.
	I honestly wouldn't want to even hazard a guess because it's so difficult to tell.
	I'm completely with you on that, honestly.
	I can only assume they're doing it willfully, but that's Hanman's razor, isn't it?
	Never a tribute to malice what could be adequately explained by stupidity.
	But yeah, is there anything else you want to say?
	No, that was basically it.
	Without going off on a tangent, things that aren't quite related to Gamergate, I'll just stop there before I get angry, as I've already had five minutes ago.
	I'm sorry, go ahead.
	Yeah, you look like you run a show of your own there with the microphone setup you've got.
	Yeah, I have a small, basically not too much of a let's play because that's kind of the two of the two, it's too, that's kind of too saturated of a market.
	I do mostly at this point Destiny just because I put so much time into the game.
	You know, I do, I'll, you know, record a raid or a strike mission, which are kind of smaller raids.
	I'll do that from time to time.
	That's, you know, that's basically all I really do.
	What's the DLC like at the moment?
	Oh, ooh, yes.
	I'd love to talk about the Dark Below.
	Before we get into it, do you want to tweet me your channel or something like that?
	And I'll retweet it so people can check it out.
	Yeah, that would be amazing.
	Thank you very much.
	I appreciate this.
	I checked out, I think it was flipped your channel, your gaming videos over to a new channel.
	Yeah, I did check that out.
	I also look more into Necromancer.
	I think it's going to be great.
	I really hope you keep working on that.
	Get it complete.
	I'll definitely be, whenever it's available to the public, I'll be right there checking it out.
	Correct.
	I saw the page for it, and I really liked the concept of it.
	But yeah, but thanks.
	I'll definitely tweet it out.
	But Dark Below, people want to complain about a lack of content.
	Look, I've been playing this game nonstop since it released, and I still haven't touched half the shit that you can do with this.
	Cool.
	They've added so, you know, they've added a crazy amount of armor and weapons.
	They kind of flipped it up.
	Time the raid, last raid, it was really hard to get the loot, like the loot table or whatever, however they calculate it.
	It was really hard to get raid gear.
	Like you would maybe out of every you know, two or three or maybe three or four times you would get a piece, and then the helmet you could only get if you'd finished it on hard.
	Well, they flipped it around.
	What they did was, it's really easy to get raid pieces.
	I've done the raid, you can do the raid once a week.
	Should we, um, that this is going off on a bit of a tangent.
	Um, yeah, tweet me a link, and then you know, guys who want to discuss Destiny with you, I'm sure, can sounds perfect.
	I'll definitely do that, and uh, I'll start wasting your time.
	And thanks for having me, yeah.
	And if I've just got a quick bit of advice, um, if I were you, I'd lower your microphone a bit and then uh tilt it up towards your face a bit more, because not the volume, but just the actual height of it, because that way, even with the pop shields, you're getting a bit of pops on it.
	Um, just so you can.
	All right, okay, thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Not a problem.
	Take care, man.
	You too.
	Okay, next is the guy that I can only describe that looks like a more dapper Andrew WK, potentially.
	Oh, right, yeah.
	Um, as of um Stolanovich.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for having me on.
	Not a problem.
	How's it going?
	Also, Curbs, I appreciate you jumping through the hoops because I'm a novice of this, and I'm sorry I was speaking while other people were trying to use it.
	No, it's okay, no problem.
	I wasn't trying to be rude, but I also am rude when I speak to myself.
	So I apologize.
	Sargon, I guess what I really want to ask you is when I and I this is coming from somebody who's been paying attention since day one, before you know, everybody wanted to drag Zoe Quinn into it when it was literally just the blog post.
	Like I was paying attention since day one to Gamergate and I wake up and I read Twitter all day long about it.
	I'm not an active person, but I am paying attention.
	What I what I've noticed is that I don't see anybody doing anything other than really complaining about things that are happening.
	And I know that there is an active sort of conversation of like well, somebody should lead this sort of movement and all of that horseshit and it is horse shit, yeah but I don't see anybody presenting good alternative ideas as opposed to just bitching about it, and I think it's wasted effort.
	Good time to plug a few pro gaming gate sites then, isn't it?
	Well, but well previously when, when I don't remember who was on, and I'm sorry that I interrupted you, but that's okay, I don't exactly even remember what was said, but you said you didn't want to talk about it right now, like you weren't willing to address that, but I feel like this stream is a perfect time to sort of exactly.
	So I can't, I'm not, I'm sorry, I'm bringing up something.
	I can't even remember what it was, but he he well let's, let's not even talk about it.
	I can't remember it either, but Yeah, right now I live in America.
	Well, we'll just move past that because I don't even remember what the hell he said.
	So that was my mistake.
	Not a problem.
	Like, again, addressing what I was saying, like, I don't really see anybody.
	Like, when I say something on Twitter to another GamerDave person who is a friendly person, or at least should be, it's easily taken out of context because everybody is on the defensive instead of trying to make anything happen proactively.
	It's just this.
	Can you give me an example of something you'd like to see happen?
	Well, that's not something I can do to you right now.
	If you would like, I can have that sort of conversation outside of right now and I can present that to you.
	Yeah, you can actually.
	Yeah, I mean, that seems fair.
	I'm not trying to be unfair with this.
	I'm not trying to do anything.
	Not at all.
	I think strident criticism is important.
	But when I come into these sorts of streams, and I'm an active listener, and I'm not trying to say that as an affidavit of, hey, don't attack me.
	I'm saying I am listening to all of these things that happen on a daily basis, but I don't see anybody really trying to do anything.
	It's just a bunch of people getting rightfully so, being upset about it.
	But I don't really see anybody bringing ideas to the table and trying to make a difference.
	It's just, you know, hopefully, I mean, and everybody wants to say that we've won.
	Like, that is a very active thing.
	Like, oh, we've already won this war, and I would agree with that.
	But nobody's trying to really be active about what we do after the fact that we've won.
	We're just stomping victory into the ground.
	And I just would like to see the momentum of it moving into what we do from now, not how do we keep winning.
	I guess that was my point.
	No, that's a great point, actually.
	Okay, I was actually thinking about running some kind of competition of some sort.
	Basically, what I was thinking is if I was thinking, maybe do our own fucking little, you know, best-written article or something like that.
	Just something silly, you know, where people can just say, hey, I really appreciate this information or something like that.
	What do you reckon?
	Well, no, I mean, I'm not saying that maybe that is the best idea, but I think that there are a lot of brilliant minds.
	And pardon me if I'm flattering you, but I came to you specifically.
	I tweeted you so that I specifically could talk to you because I think that you are a well-adjusted person.
	I can't really say that about a lot of the people that I've come into contact with through this whole ordeal.
	But I came to you because I think that you're a level-headed person, and I thought I could maybe present this idea, and you might agree.
	I definitely agree that we need to rebuild and we need to start pushing forward.
	But I'm not even saying that you should be the person that does it, but you are in a position of power because of the people that are paying attention to you, and you can't deny that.
	That is a fact.
	I agree that I have a certain degree of responsibility.
	And only because people pay attention to you.
	I think anyone with a louder voice does.
	But regardless, I don't see enough people that are in the movement.
	And again, I am a person that stays in the background and don't do much vocally.
	But I came because I don't see anybody trying to be proactive with it.
	I don't see anybody, other than claiming that we won, really doing anything other than sending emails.
	And that's great.
	But it would be nice to see some sort of positive momentum from our victory rather than we won and it ends there.
	And it's just kind of stale, you know?
	Alright, well, thanks a lot for letting everyone know, man.
	I think that that's really valid criticism.
	And I'm definitely going to be asking the next person to speak what they think of it.
	Fair enough.
	Thank you for having me on.
	Thanks for coming on.
	I really appreciate it.
	Good night.
	Cheers.
	Okay.
	Next on is Uzan Shinjanko.
	Uzan, are you there?
	Yeah, I'm here.
	Hi, what did you think of the points raised by the last caller?
	Well, it seems that he just wanted to keep saying the same point over and over again.
	But I've seen a lot of people who are trying to take the momentum from this and apply it in other areas.
	So I'm not so sure he had so much a valid criticism as he's saying something that he believes and he wants it to sort of imprint on everybody's mind.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, fair enough.
	What would you like to see other than that then?
	Well, actually, I just had a brief technical question.
	As you can tell, my mic's really crackly and staticky and bad.
	And I remembered in some of your earlier videos, your mic was pretty much the same.
	So I was wondering if it's because I've got a headset or yeah, I've got standalone.
	I went out and spent, I think, £35, $50 odd, on a microphone, and it seems pretty good.
	I'm quite happy with that.
	Okay.
	Okay, thanks.
	Not a problem.
	Thanks.
	Merry Christmas.
	And to you.
	Cheers.
	Okay.
	I know, just going to kind of jump the cube because John did have a point and he wanted to speak about a rebuttal to the guy who came in.
	He did say the guy had a few fair ideas with regards to stagnation.
	I can agree with that to some extent because I haven't seen anything that stuck out more recently.
	There are still things that have been accomplished, and I think John wanted to just highlight them to people.
	Oh, I think that's a very good idea.
	But the thing is, I think that he did raise good points.
	I don't think we can get complacent by any stretch of the imagination.
	Costing Gorka millions is a wonderful thing, but Gorka still exists.
	So can't we, I don't think we should get complacent by any stretch of the imagination.
	That's what Pyrrhus did, in fact.
	He allowed his enemies to exist in a diminished form, and then later on in his life, they came back and defeated him.
	So don't get complacent.
	We've got to really stick it to him while we can.
	I could give a 40K analogy as well, but I won't.
	Oh, go on.
	Go on.
	I want the 40k analogy.
	Oh, no, well, it's actually 30k.
	In the Horus Heresy, the race that basically discovered that Horus was actually going to turn to chaos, they'd actually managed to isolate one of their enemies and put them on a planet, the Mega Arachnid.
	But they didn't actually deprived them of all spacefaring technology.
	But I don't understand why you would keep something so fucking Evil or so live, you know, just for its right to exist.
	I can understand, you know, it is an alternative, it is another media source, but there are so many out there that are fucking tripe.
	And I mean, you've got to remember that media, the media that exists at the moment fucking hates Kataka, you know, Gorka, sorry, in the first place.
	Gawker brings everything that it's got on itself by being trashy tabloid bunch of bullshitters.
	Was it John that wanted to?
	Yeah, John wanted to bring something up.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Yes, that last caller you had, I don't understand what he means when he says that he's been following this since the beginning and all he's seen done is complaining.
	If that is the case, then he hasn't been paying attention because I can list our major accomplishments and three points.
	Please do.
	Please do.
	The first point is we expose a lot of corruption with verifiable evidence in the games industry.
	The second one thing we did was we got ads pulled from corrupt websites.
	That was a major win for us.
	And the third point was, hold on one second.
	Sorry, I just had a problem.
	We got the FTC guidelines updated.
	And yeah, that's we did accomplish.
	There are solid victories there, isn't it?
	Yes.
	And also another one, updated ethics policies of certain websites.
	Absolutely.
	I think GamingGame has had a lot of victories to it.
	And I think that it's also allowing.
	It's giving a platform to websites like Good Gamers and TechRaptor who have ethics policies and are trying to lead the way in how to be decent games journalists.
	Giving people like that an opportunity is a fantastic thing in my opinion.
	It just makes Kotaku and the rest look terrible by comparison.
	They're stupid, opinionated, clickbaity articles.
	I'm just looking at that Kotaku Gamers of the Year thing.
	And other things written by Stephen Totillo.
	Listen to some Halo 5 music if you like.
	Oh, thanks, Stephen.
	And just, oh, there's a new patch for Assassin Creed Unity.
	What's the difference?
	I don't know.
	Why don't you tell me?
	It's just this waffling shit.
	It's just, oh, this is just what I'm thinking about, Le Alexander style.
	And it's like, I'm not interested in just shit Totillo's thinking about.
	I need information about things that I am spending my money on.
	Exactly.
	But hey, that's just me as a concerned consumer.
	I'm the sort of person who doesn't have infinite wealth.
	Yes.
	And also, if he was paying attention, he would know that we have also been promoting those websites you mentioned.
	And we've been working hard on, as Ralph put it, creating an alternative.
	And we've been pretty successful.
	A lot of projects, the big three, good gamers, TechRaptor and Each Gamer, they've been getting a lot of support.
	But other websites also need our support, such as the upcoming startbutton.net.
	And also MyList Zombie Studios, as was mentioned before, also needs more support.
	And the guys behind are doing some good stuff with that.
	And what you're doing here, Sargon, is part of the alternative, essentially, because a lot of us are becoming a lot more aware of how the media basically plays and manipulates us as consumers for their own ends rather than for a more fair and free open market.
	Yeah.
	They absolutely do.
	And the fact that they're all colluding with the Game Jono Pros list, it just goes to show they are trying to monopolize the market for their ideology, for their worldview.
	In fact, right, this is something I probably shouldn't say, but I'm going to do it anyway because f I couldn't believe this, right?
	You know, Leia Alexander, Leia, I know I go on about Leia Alexander a lot, but I hate her.
	I really hate her.
	She is just oh, she's awful, right?
	But I sent I was looking at her XXFS when I was playing to my friends.
	When she sits there and shrugs and says, you know, I leaked my book to a pirate site because the publisher who commissioned me to write it published something I didn't like politically.
	It was something that she considered transphobic or something.
	And she thought I gave her the right to do it.
	So I thought, well, hang on a second.
	This video that she's done has only got 6,000 views.
	Has anyone even contacted the publisher to let them know?
	So I did that.
	I emailed the video to the publisher saying, look, you know, this particular time stamp, this is the person that you want to deal with.
	You know, this is her admitting it.
	And they sent me an email back saying, oh, well, it's the message that's more important.
	These things happen.
	Wow.
	That's amazing.
	I mean, that's not just me, is it?
	I mean, that is just.
	That is just unbelievable, isn't it?
	Yeah, I mean, we are living in a day and age where people can be openly corrupt, whether they're in business or politics, and they just say end.
	And because they're used to just getting away with it, there's no backlash.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, they've given her money to write this book.
	She says in the video that they've given her money to write the book.
	And as a punishment to them, she leaks the book.
	And they're just like, well, you know, these things happen like it was an act of God.
	Just, oh, I couldn't believe that.
	They might have a lawsuit there.
	Well, you would think that they would, but the thing is, to them, the message, the movement was more important than anything like that.
	I was just, I couldn't believe it.
	Of all the things to get back from them, you know.
	I just have a question as well to John.
	Do you think that part of the stagnation has been potentially because of some of the more stupid projects that have come around regarding Gamergate, such as I noticed something about a satellite the other day, and I was just like, I was like, really?
	I am very much anti-satellite.
	I am against, like, that shouldn't even be a thing.
	In all honesty, I could go on more in detail, but I'll hold myself for the moment.
	And there's other projects that are coming about that are like not all new media is going to be good.
	We're going to have to weed through the ones that are good and the ones that are bad.
	Pay attention to starbutton.net.
	Pay attention to Milestombie Studios.
	Another one.
	What was another one?
	If Spell's Fired, I would also keep an eye on that one.
	Another one I would keep an eye on is Gombi, I believe.
	Hold on one moment.
	Let me get the link for it.
	It's supposed to be basically find it.
	Unfortunately, I can't find it at the moment.
	If you want to tweet it to me, I'll retweet it.
	Oh, sure thing.
	Although I've been trying to take a break from Twitter for the holidays, but I understand.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there are definitely projects that are making people take a look at the whole Gamergate thing and see a bunch of astroturfing, essentially, allegedly.
	I'm going to define that for anyone at home who doesn't know what it means.
	Sure thing.
	Let me just get the definition up one second.
	It's basically when someone is simulating a grassroots movement for when It's not just, hold on one second.
	The deceptive tactic of simulating grassroots support for a product, cause, et cetera, undertaken by people, organizations with an interest in shaping public opinion.
	And while not every, like, it's not just the act of making money or expressing an opinion that might not be popular and being involved with an organization or movement, or in this case, consumer revolt.
	It's when you basically use that, it's basically the act of co-opting something else.
	And there are people involved in Gamergate that are not exactly very reputable.
	And like there was, of course, we know the allegations against Steve Tom Sawyer, which I'm not going to go into detail again.
	And then I think, if I may, Base Gamer has been come under fire for not having our interests at heart.
	I'm pretty sure other people who have been paying more attention to that situation there than I can can weigh on that?
	Because what made me go back into looking to more Gamergate stuff was because I just briefly checked my Twitter and I saw my feet explode because apparently there was a scuttlebutt over it.
	And basically there was one guy in particular who was defending it to the death.
	And I really do think that Jenny does need to come forward and be more transparent.
	Absolutely.
	I totally agree.
	Yes, because what I'm noticing is we've been criticizing these other websites for not being transparent enough.
	And then suddenly she comes along, she says, has these projects and people raise concerns.
	Instead of addressing those concerns and criticisms, then she just deflects and she just basically hides behind the wall or doesn't act openly enough.
	Somebody pointed out to respond to them, does she?
	No, she doesn't.
	And somebody pointed out the other day that there's some random, really random spikes that are supposed to look random.
	Someone sent me a message.
	I don't know.
	I didn't check it out.
	But $500 donations, which seem to come at really weird sort of intervals to keep it going.
	So I don't know if they're still investing more into it.
	But they've expanded the actual project.
	And I didn't actually know that you could do that on Indiegogo.
	And I actually saw it the other day.
	And I was just like, what the fuck?
	You know, if it's not, if it's a clear indicator that isn't, I mean, to run a campaign at Christmas anyway is a bit stupid.
	No offense.
	I mean, I know that they had to capitalize on the timing of it.
	But the marketing, as you said, you haven't seen her market this anywhere.
	And I think she literally wanted the marketing to be done by Gamergate.
	Yeah, I'm just surprised at her lack of presence.
	I would have been all over the place all the time if it was me.
	If you refer to Base Gamer, I have noticed that some people have been getting a little too vindictive against the whole idea.
	Ultimately, if it does succeed, it turns to a big scam.
	It's not going to be the end of the world.
	But at the same time, their concerns are valid and they should be addressed.
	But the vindictiveness against it, they might need to hold back a little bit so that way we can actually have a discussion instead of just arguing.
	When I read through that thread, it wasn't just the people who were defending Base Gamer who were acting really like twats, frankly.
	But the other people against Base Gamer were resorting to ad hominem and basically going around a big circle about it.
	And it was really annoying to read.
	Although I will say that the people defending Base Gamer did so under a bit of blind faith, just a little bit.
	They did have some good counterpoints, but not many.
	Yeah, I mean, I honestly, I've, you know, I've put my money in, so, you know, I'm not defending them necessarily.
	I actually think there are a lot of legitimate criticisms about the way their campaign's being handled, but I agree with you that we don't need to go at them hammering tongs yet.
	You know, we can bring up legitimate criticism that they can be expected to respond to as adults rather than attacking them as if they were kotaku or something.
	But the first statement that she made recently just literally played the victim card.
	You know, I've been receiving a lot of, you know, and I'm sure you can address that, but the way that it was kind of put, it is just seems so there's no other word for it, bollocks.
	I'm sorry.
	That's a lot of people's money, you know, on the line and a lot to be asking for.
	And it just there is not enough answers there.
	There are not enough.
	I agree, but I think that what we should do is allow her the space and time to present the answers.
	You know, I don't want to just sit there going, you know, screaming, you've presented us with no answers and therefore we're not going to give you the opportunity to present any answers.
	But again, this entirely reflects on her as a person, doesn't it?
	If she's going to really drop the ball here, I'm not saying it's necessarily out of malice, but she really should be stepping up and answering community concerns, I think.
	Right.
	She's more than welcome to appear on my stream if she feels so inclined.
	I've extended that offer to her several times.
	Yeah, I have my own YouTube channel.
	I host streams there, and I have a lot of Gamergate relay topics.
	Is it just called John Kelly?
	Pretty much.
	Actually, the actual channel name in the URL is UJ Datalus.
	But you can find it on my Twitter handle, Twitter, which is at j KellyTwit.
	And if she wants to come on, I'm all for having her on.
	And we'll try to create a neutral and fair environment.
	I myself have been slightly critical of her after it seemed like the show was a no-go.
	But again, the invitation is still open.
	And I would like to see, like, if Base Gamer is going to succeed, it needs to open up and be transparent, because that's how you show credibility by making yourself open to criticism and open so other people can see it and basically engaging with the community and not trying to hide behind walls or not responding to people because it's not just me who's trying to reach out to contact her.
	It's been other people as well.
	And if there's a like, I'll have her biggest critic, so I'll have that person on, and I'll try to, if she does come on, I'll try to just be a mediator and take a back seat because I'm not as vindictive against the idea as some other people are.
	And again, if and again, I did segue this in from AstroTurfing.
	I don't want to make that accusation at this time.
	I don't believe there's any evidence to suggest it.
	I would say it's more the base gamer site is more to do with mishandling from my perspective at this time than actual malice.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	But thanks, Camille.
	We'd probably better.
	Sorry about the segue.
	Yeah, I probably took up too much of your time.
	I just want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas.
	Enjoy the holiday.
	Do take some time off.
	And also, one last thing I want to promote.
	It's Christmas.
	Moltar is hosting a Gamergate stream.
	He's going to invite anyone who wants to come aboard and basically people who don't have families or friends to go to.
	And just check it out.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	Thanks very much.
	And again, Merry Christmas.
	Okay, man.
	Thanks a lot.
	Okay.
	Sorry about that.
	And it is Winston that's next.
	Yeah.
	Sorry about the delay there, Winston.
	Hello, Winston.
	I think we killed him.
	No, Winston.
	Hey there.
	Yeah.
	First of all, Merry Christmas to all.
	And to you?
	Second of all, I found total war because of you.
	That's pretty fucking.
	You're welcome.
	No problem.
	Second of all, I try to contact certain media just as Dash Biegel or the Z Deutsche Zeitung, as I live in Germany.
	And it's hard to reach them.
	It's not easy.
	And I would like to get a tip from you to get an idea how to reach them or how to get in touch with them and how to force them to answer.
	Okay.
	Well, I can advise as much as possible.
	Okay, that meaning?
	Well, I mean, what specific questions do you have?
	Yeah, so when I write a letter, an email, and try to contact on social media and I get no response, what else is there to do?
	You know, your guess is as good as mine, I'm afraid, on that one.
	I have no idea.
	I was trying to get Jimmy Wales onto a stream the other day, and he was playing very, very coy.
	He was responding to, I think it was Ralph, about some inflammatory thing.
	So I tweeted at him, Jimmy, why are you responding to inflammatory criticism rather than legitimate discussion?
	And that got his attention because it made him look like an ass.
	And then basically, I just was very reasonable.
	I said, look, I just wanted to come on to the stream so we can discuss the evident bias that you have in the Wikipedia has in the Gamergate article and whether you think that it's acceptable for Wikipedia to politicize itself.
	And he danced around and eventually just stopped responding because he knows that it's a hot potato and he knows that he's wrong.
	He knows that what they've done with the Gamergate article is wrong and he doesn't want to have to take responsibility, I presume.
	So again, there's no way to force them necessarily to come to the table other than their own reputations.
	And if they're not bothered about their reputations, then I don't know.
	If anyone's got any ideas, I'll ask the people on the stream as they come up after you if they've got any ideas.
	Because honestly, I don't know.
	I mean, is there any legal action that can be taken or anything?
	I know, I think that goes far.
	That goes too far, I think.
	Well, I agree, but I mean, you know, I really don't know what can be done.
	I really don't.
	So, yeah, it's definitely a question I'll pose to the next callers.
	Okay, I think that's about it.
	Okay, well, thanks a lot for coming on, man.
	Bye.
	Merry Christmas.
	To you too.
	Who is next, Kevz?
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Is my thing gone or what?
	Hello?
	I believe Kirby is gone or Kirbs.
	I can hear you.
	Right, great.
	Okay, see, I wasn't hearing anyone just a second ago there.
	So I don't know what happened there.
	But I'm sure that he'll come back in when he's got his thing sorted.
	So who is this?
	The strain?
	Is this?
	Yes.
	But if anyone else wants to jump on ahead of me, I actually was going to be making a phone call right now.
	So if anyone wants to go ahead, tell me.
	Well, Farellis, are you there?
	Farelius?
	Yes, I am.
	Hello, what would you like to say?
	Well, first of all, let's start by getting that out of the way.
	Merry Christmas to everyone and best wishes for the new year.
	For myself, I think the most important thing because I've been writing a lot about Game Megate ever since I started participating in it.
	And one of my most recent pieces was one on autism and relationship with social and social, with the social part of social justice.
	Where do you write for?
	I have been writing mostly for myself, but now I also write for Ship2Block20.
	And do you want to tweet me a link or send me the link and I'll keep it out of the way.
	Kirbs says he's sorry he had a technical issue.
	Yes, I noticed that.
	Anyway, the thing with the whole social with the whole idea of this social justice thing and the glorification of social justice, I wrote about how it's a tyranny because when I was in high school, I had a lot of issues with friction between autism and what is commonly known as neurotypicals.
	Basically the autistic thinking completely different patterns and that can cause a lot of miscommunication and cause a lot of things to make very little sense towards people with autism that makes perfect sense to people without it.
	Mostly one of the biggest issues that I've had was that a lot of people expected me to behave just the same as everyone else, even though that would be the end of me, essentially.
	I spent a lot of time with headaches simply from stress and I was eventually diagnosed with the burnout and just recommended to just take time off from school even though it was technically illegal.
	Simply I was just medically unfit to go to school.
	This is all a large part because I've become active also in educating people about autism.
	And a big part that we have considered to be something that we've considered to be a big part of the problem surrounding autism is that a lot of people expect that it's just something that people have to get used to.
	Like this is social, that there's a specific sort of default behavior set and that everyone has to adhere to it.
	And that's one of the things that I like about the internet community.
	There is no default behavior set.
	Everyone behaves differently and everyone respects that.
	It's like the way that these social justice warriors complain about people calling each other faggot all the time and that everyone is everyone on the internet is just saying, I don't care where you put your penis, you're still a faggot.
	Yeah, stop being faggots, for Christ's sake.
	Exactly.
	There's two different ways that it's being used.
	Is being destigmatized, and that's just absolutely amazing.
	And then there's these people coming in saying, no, that's not social enough.
	Yes.
	And it's just, it's the exact same people that drove me to contemplating suicide at some point.
	I just didn't see the point of life if all of the community, if all of the people around me were all just going to say, well, you're wrong.
	You're broken.
	We need to fix you.
	You need to change.
	You need to be resolved.
	Yeah, you need to adhere to their standards.
	Exactly.
	And it's the exact same thing with the whole social justice Gestapo, where it's these people just want to mold everyone in the exact same way.
	And particularly the people with autism are going to have trouble with that.
	I think there's a lot of people in Gamergate with autism.
	I mean, you've got Otter Jesus, and well, there's me, and there's Omniuke, Mr. Strings.
	And then you've got Brianna Wu tweeting, you fucking aspier people.
	That was actually a false flag.
	Oh, was it?
	Oh, yeah, the Twitter handle, like the official Brianna Wu channel Twitter handle is capitalized.
	The one that sent that out was not.
	Okay, that's good.
	That was my mistake, and I'm glad that you were here to catch that.
	I had no idea.
	Well, quite a few people have actually tweeted that out.
	That's actually a false flag.
	It's not the real Brianna Wu.
	Right, okay.
	Good to know.
	But yeah, I do.
	It always makes me think of a George Washington quote where he says that we need to accept people as they are and not how we'd like them to be.
	That is a very good idea.
	You know, because that I think is far more productive in any kind of debate, in any kind of discussion, or in any kind of community.
	And this is exactly the problem with social justice warriors.
	They're nagging everyone to be how they want them to be.
	And again, speaks to another quote by Oscar Wilde: that selfishness isn't living how you want to live, it's expecting other people to live how you want to live.
	And there are so many things about these social justice warriors that I just can't stand.
	They are the apotheosis of everything that I think is wrong about these sort of cultures.
	Yeah, they have this sort of idea in their mind that their vision of reality is the perfect one.
	But that's another thing that I've also addressed in a very long, one of my longest pieces, the one that I published on Medium, which was about the principles of progression as they were described by the philosopher Hegel.
	Like you've got the thesis, you've got the antithesis, you merge those two together, you get a synthesis, which draws the best from both sides.
	Basically, what these people are doing, they're presenting their thesis and they're presenting it as perfect.
	And anyone who tries to go up against that, so the antithesis, which is actually an integral part of any kind of progression, is immediately shouted down.
	They're trying to destroy the antithesis.
	They're not progressive at all.
	They're regressive.
	They're creating stagnation because this whole victimhood culture is extremely profitable.
	As you can see from Feminist Frequency, that bags $160,000, never livers, and no one actually bats an eye.
	Indeed, and a good $4,000 a month for Zoe Quinn and Brianna Wu.
	Exactly.
	Have you seen Brianna Wu shilling her Patreon?
	I mean, I know I'm in no position to talk because I have a Patreon.
	How many does she have now?
	Like five?
	I don't know, but the way that she does it is just absolutely shameless.
	I'm just going to grab a tweet just to show everyone because it really pisses me off.
	You'd think that they would have a bit more decorum.
	But she, I can't find one now, actually.
	But she she was literally saying things like, you know, I'll donate to my Patreon so I can get back to making games.
	And it's like, well, what the hell are you doing in the meantime?
	You know, it's the same as when she was she was when her dog was ill, when her dog fell ill with hepat uh with what was it, hepatitis, I think.
	Yeah.
	And then she was she actually tweeted out saying, I wish Gamergate would stop harassing me for a moment so I could take care of my dog.
	I just don't understand.
	If someone says, I hate you, Brianna Wu, does that mean that she gets glued to the keyboard or something?
	Yeah, that means that anything that she was doing, like cooking dinner or about to go to the toilet or something, it has to be put on hold and she has to respond to that or else.
	Well, maybe if we just keep harassing her for two days straight, she'll die because she stopped drinking water.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But I mean, we really should leave her alone then, if that's the case.
	Yeah, we don't want that on our name.
	No, no, no, exactly.
	You know, she deserves to...
	Maybe we should all contribute to a Patreon just to get her to shut the fuck up.
	There was actually someone that suggested that, someone that was complaining about Gamergate giving so much to all kinds of charities, and then he was saying, yeah, but that doesn't prove that you're not a hate movement.
	That proves that you're not a hate movement is if you donate to your victims.
	Oh, yeah, that proves that we're not a hate movement.
	And that is not going to foster a culture of professional victimhood either.
	That's absolutely not going to.
	I mean, there's no way that could happen.
	But it could possibly go wrong.
	No, exactly.
	Just like listen and believe.
	When a woman says something, it's true.
	I mean, come on.
	When anyone says something, it must be true.
	For Christ's sake, that's crazy.
	Who would ever lie about anything?
	There was another thing that I picked up in one of the Anita Sarkeesian videos where she mentioned the thing about forks punishment about how players getting punished is adding simply is simply adding is simply adding an element of play to it which basically in feminist terms means that she's saying that no means yes.
	I pull that one off the top of my head actually.
	My friend's going to be doing a video on Anita Sarkeesian play at XOXO she actually played some board games.
	And so she's commenting on board games now.
	She did a review of one.
	I think it was a card game actually.
	But it was tabletop.
	And she doesn't like competitive play by the sounds of it.
	Oh, of course she doesn't.
	Because she felt very sorry for this guy that kept on playing the game but losing.
	So you know, felt very sorry about that.
	Well I can't say that I'm surprised.
	I've seen her mash a controller that isn't plugged into an Xbox.
	The way she did it, I was thinking, well, I'm not a console peasant, but even I can tell that that's that's as fake as it gets.
	As a console peasant, I was like, that was one hell of a quick time event.
	Seriously.
	I was just like, what the fuck was going on there?
	It was like someone showing themselves playing with the Wii and they have the Wii remote upside down.
	Okay, we probably better wrap it up there, I think, and move on to the next person.
	But thanks a lot for coming on.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thank you for the opportunity.
	Not a problem at all.
	Take care.
	Good afternoon.
	It's the giant spinning burning globe.
	I can't see the name.
	Can you?
	It's the strain.
	He was off making a phone call though, so maybe he's still there.
	Is Abdul Aziz Almazru?
	Yes, hi, everyone.
	Hello, d how how badly did I pronounce your name?
	No, it it was actually pretty good for the first time you read it.
	Um before I start anything, um sorry for my bad uh English, you know.
	It's my second uh and I've seen how bad I am when I started watching uh I started watching those feminists videos.
	They said many vocabularies that I really was not aware of, you know.
	And as a medical student I I've read some really bad uh English words, but nothing like what the feminists are trying to say, you know.
	Oh what you cisgendered heteronormative shitlord.
	Yeah, well I just passed that.
	I'll I'll just know that this is something bad about me, but I I'm sorry, I don't want to even know what does that mean.
	Anyways, happy holidays for everyone.
	I just want to to point out two points.
	One of them is actually somewhat different from what I've heard until now in this stream.
	Those feminists do not realize how the privilege that they are having actually compared to any other woman in the world.
	Myself, I am from Syria and everybody knows what's happening in Syria.
	Like Assad is bombing everyone and ISIS is bombing from the other side, you know.
	And the fact that made me really angry and start to put my voice with Gamergate that they started combining gamers with ISIS and those people really did not see what ISIS does every day to the people in either in Syria or in Iraq, you know.
	I actually I covered this last week on this week in Stupid.
	There were a bunch of awful things from ISIS against women directly.
	Yeah, I watched that video and there are some mistakes in it, not accurate, but yeah, but actually things are even worse of what you mentioned.
	I mean, you know, the part of selling slaves and everything, that's not really that accurate.
	But there are actually things that are even worse than selling slaves, you know.
	Really?
	How they are treating the people there, how they are killing everyone they come into their hand and not agreeing with, and you know, many political issues.
	But the issue is every day in Syria, like in every almost three hours, a woman die, you know, there.
	And they don't look at that.
	They only look at, oh my god, my Twitter people are harassing me on Twitter.
	Like, seriously, you're a feminist, so you should stand with any female in the world, not with your Twitter issues or whatever your issues are talking about.
	Isn't there an African lady who basically came out recently and said First World Feminism is pathetic because it's just dealing with pathetic, trivial problems.
	Yeah, they care only about issues that they are thinking it's the issues that you know every woman is facing.
	It's not the women's are fa I I don't know if they realize this, but I hope so because if they don't realize that they are actually living a really good life compared to other women and other men, you know, I don't I don't understand.
	I mean even you know that girl Malala or something, that she won the Nobel Prize or something.
	Yeah, I don't I forgot her name.
	She actually sh she's a sample of what's happening every day in either Middle East or Pakistan or any other country.
	Yeah, and you know Taliban, they entered the school like last week and killed one hundred and thirty students and teachers, including female and male teachers.
	And they keep talking that oh my god my dog died and people are not allowing me to take care of my dog.
	Like seriously, this is you know this is there is a really bad control of their feminist I don't know what their rules or whatever.
	I I didn't even consider feminists as a religion because religion actually makes you respect others at least, you know.
	I don't know where they make this.
	I don't know.
	Feminists, I don't know what does that even mean, you know?
	It's an ideology.
	It's a very bad ideology.
	It's I don't know.
	It's just crazy people who talk every day about gamers.
	And I played games all my day long.
	And you know what?
	I play my games and I've never, you know, I know how they think, but from my games, I've never hit anyone because I've seen myself hitting anyone in vice city, GTA vice city.
	I've never went into a mall and started killing people because, well, I did that in my game.
	That's just crazy.
	Actually, it's the opposite.
	It shows me how bad it is to, you know, like the police are trying to kill me in GTA for doing something bad.
	Is that what you're trying to ban?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I totally agree though.
	Everything they talk about is it's entirely and this isn't a coincidence.
	It's entirely things that affect them directly.
	So, you know, if there are women being killed by ISIS, that doesn't affect first world feminists.
	They don't even talk about it, you know.
	They don't even mention any women issues happening, you know.
	For example, like last week when that if you heard about the story like two weeks ago, not last week, sorry, the German girl who actually tried to prevent some gang of rapping two girls and they killed her in Germany.
	She was a Turkish, yeah, they killed a girl trying to protect two other girls.
	That happened in Germany.
	She's actually from Turkey, you know, she's a Muslim girl.
	Anyway, she was killed.
	They did not talk about this issue.
	They did not even mention it.
	I checked every Twitter account of those famous feminists, Brian Wu and Zoe Quinn and all the others.
	And they did not even mention anything about this.
	And the minute someone from whoever know, I know, like someone with a fake account on Twitter saying, I will kill all women in this earth.
	Oh, look at this.
	They are harassing women.
	Look at those men.
	Seriously, look at the issue in hand, you know.
	I don't mean to laugh, but it really is completely, completely exemplifies everything about what these people are doing.
	If it doesn't affect them personally, it doesn't benefit them personally, they're not interested.
	Of course, because we know until now, we know for the fact that they all care about is how to be famous on the shoulders of other people and how to use other people who are following them, the followers or the worshippers of them, to take their money and run away, you know.
	And the other point is what the guy mentioned before that the Gamergate people are not acting or whatever.
	Well, I have to agree with him in some points, but disagree with others.
	Like, I've seen now multiple streams going on about Gamergate and multiple people talking about Gamergate, and that's really nice, you know.
	But we also have to start acting about some stuff, but that's not required from everyone.
	For example, I live very far from anyone else in the world, you know.
	And I can't act as someone who's living in the US, for example, to start, for example, a campaign that will show how feminists are, who feminists are and how they are affecting the society, you know, in general.
	I kind of agree and disagree.
	That's it for me.
	But yeah, also one more thing, one last thing.
	I just want the feminists, if they are hearing this, to think about it.
	That how many people from around the world, I am a Muslim Arab guy, okay?
	Someone other who's atheist, other guys, like from every part of the world as gamers, despite the fact that we are totally different in many other ways, we stood together to fight what was really bad for us, you know, for us, whoever we are.
	Those liars who try to stop the hobby that everybody loves, like everybody loves playing video games, starting from your phone until your BC with our consoles.
	And they want to stop that.
	Like, when we hear that, as gamers from different parts of the world, like, can you realize that me, now I'm Syrian, that's talking to someone in a British and a Britain and one in the US with different ideology and different, you know, we came as one to defend one hobby.
	Don't they see that?
	They do not.
	That is something we call diversity, and it's not on their terms, so they hate that more than anything else.
	So you are unfortunately probably a sock puppet.
	Probably not.
	Yeah, you know, when they say white men, I think they are saying that about American white men.
	They are indeed talking about American white men.
	But I'm sorry to tell them that, but I'm also a white man, you know, but I'm serious.
	I don't know if they're targeting me as well or not.
	I'm not sure.
	Syria famous for its white men.
	Am I included or not?
	I'm not sure.
	I think that you can be an honorary white man if you want.
	Okay.
	I must be now with those questions that I asked.
	I must be, you know, raped someone else.
	I don't know when to talk about it.
	Oh, without a doubt.
	Without a doubt.
	You're definitely oppressing someone.
	Thanks for coming.
	Thank you for having me in the chat.
	Sorry if I took some time.
	Sorry.
	And happy holidays.
	See you.
	You too.
	Take care.
	All right.
	Next is the strain if he's working.
	The strain.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	How's it going?
	I am doing pretty good.
	By the way, before I get started on whatever we're going to talk about, I want to give a shout out to the last gentleman who was on the stream.
	The person you guys are referencing in the beginning of your conversation is Iran Hersi Ali, a famous activist, really an amazing person, came from Somalia, escaped a brutal, brutal childhood, and speaks on these issues of feminism, of politics, but in a really grounded way.
	So she's someone to look out if you guys want some more information.
	Yeah, I couldn't remember her name.
	She's absolutely fantastic.
	And she's basically been taking First World Feminists to task because they're very, very petty.
	And she understands that there are women in the world who have genuine problems and a genuine need for a movement to help them.
	That's one of the things that I found rather deplorable about this current counterculture is that all of us here, I'm pretty sure I can safely speak for a majority of the people listening and the people here on the stream.
	We want to help those people.
	We want to look at Syria.
	We want to look at Iraq.
	We want to help them any way we can, but reasonably, intelligently.
	We care for those women.
	We care for those children.
	We care for those gays, Christians, Muslims that are persecuted.
	And they seem to ignore that.
	All while saying they care.
	Yeah, they think that they've got a monopoly on caring.
	They think that if you don't do things their way under their auspices, then you don't do them at all, no matter what the reality of the situation is.
	Yeah, and that kind of segues into what I wanted to ask you, actually, and maybe see what you think and toss some ideas back and forth.
	Was what do you think the future of the idea around a gamer game?
	Not the label, but the idea.
	Yeah, the principles.
	Well, I think that what I would like to see is a very strong, reputable gaming journalism press come out of this.
	I'm very big on promoting those people who are pro-Gamergates, to mean basically pro-ethics, pro-gamers, pro-consumer, consumer advocates, people who get why these things are important, rather than people like Kotako, Rock Pipeshock, and these other sites, the social justice sites, are all very self-serving.
	They're all looking out for themselves.
	They're very concerned about themselves.
	Whereas I really want to prove almost that you can operate in an ethical way and still be successful without going all out of interest.
	You don't have to constantly be talking, be acting and operating in a way that is directly selfish to yourself, because if you help other people, they will want to help you back.
	And so I think that you don't have to screw your audience.
	You don't have to attack your audience.
	And if you're a video game website and you're a consumer advocate, that is, in my mind, that should be putting you leaps and bounds ahead just on operational, just method of operation alone.
	But that's what I'd like to see anyway.
	Okay.
	I actually, I agree with you.
	I totally agree with you on the need to have reputable journalists.
	That's important everywhere, not just in Gamergate.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	But even more importantly, in the quote-unquote real world, like the institutional problems we face, from the European Union to American campaign finance reform.
	I mean, there's a lot of issues that dovetails into rather quickly.
	And that's why I kind of see this as maybe part of a larger thing.
	And I want to see what you think on that.
	Every generation has had this kind of transgenerational culture war of sorts.
	And there's always these conflicting ideas that go back and forth.
	And there's these different narratives, these different ideas that are opposed on fundamental grounds.
	And I mean, like we see right now, I'd actually disagree with your last guest, Freyell Fire.
	How do you say his name?
	I'm not sure, to be honest.
	The feminists aren't rebutting the Hegelian or the Marxian method.
	They're utilizing it.
	They're trying to take an anti-thesis and a thesis and clash them together, create a new idea, create a synthesis, and then do it over and over again.
	But the problem is, we look back and we see that's not true.
	That Darwin was actually right.
	Social systems and economic systems and political systems evolve slowly.
	They don't clash and change.
	And this really gets down to Marx's fundamental theories, like his theory of history, the labor theory of value, his theory of exploitation.
	And that's the fundamental difference today that we're seeing now.
	And I'd be interested to hear what your opinion is on that as a culture war, per se.
	I think I would need a bit more time to assess my position on that.
	I think I'd like more time to assess my position on that, really.
	It's the sort of thing that I think it'd be worth doing a video on and getting sources and reading into it properly.
	Because I think I'd make an off-the-cuff statement that would be misinformed.
	So I would, yeah, I'm going to defer on that one for now, I'm afraid.
	Oh, that's certainly fair enough.
	I appreciate honesty rather than somebody pulling things out of their ass.
	And that's one of the reasons I think people like to listen to you, is that you are an honest guy.
	Well, you know, I'll tell you this, man.
	You wouldn't have this big of an audience at this time in America and Europe if people didn't think that was what you stood for, or at least what you strove for.
	Yeah, it's what I try to strive for.
	I mean, this is another one of the things.
	It's like, this is the.
	I don't know where you're going on this.
	Yeah, I know you know where I'm going because I've probably gone about time.
	But fuck it, man.
	When they're like, oh, well, objectivity is impossible, so we think it's silly.
	It's like, no, man, you don't have to succeed all the time.
	It's the act of trying, you know.
	You're only human.
	Of course, you're going to fail every now and again.
	But if you know what the principles you should be striving for are and you try to get there, that is good enough for me, you know?
	You know, it's so silly.
	Just to kind of go on on your point a little bit, it's so silly because, I mean, democracy is the same way.
	Legislation is the same way.
	Regional integration in the European Union is the same way.
	But that goes for everything, is that you can only strive for those principles as humans.
	We are limited by our evolution to certain divergences there.
	But just not to humble brag or anything, but I bring this up because you mentioned wanting to do a video on it.
	And I say this because I would love to help you with that or work with you on that if you want some help.
	And the reason I mentioned the Hubble Bragg thing and warned you about that is because I did academia in economics.
	It's my field of inquiry, so to say.
	So I know a good deal about Marx.
	I absolutely would.
	Do you want to tweet me and I'll follow you and we can arrange to talk after that.
	I will do that as soon as I get off the call.
	Yeah.
	I just want to mention one more thing before I go, something to chew on for you in the audience.
	Something to think about at least.
	I was thinking back to a caller you had a little bit ago and critiquing our efforts and critiquing how we seem to be complaining a lot.
	The Gamergate movement as a whole, at least.
	And I have to say, look at the mainstream media.
	Look at the mainstream ideas of the last 200 years of recorded history.
	It's the same exact way.
	There's just people complaining on both sides.
	I mean, that's all it's been for forever.
	There has always been people that are, by any reasonable definition, stupid.
	There's always been people who are, by any reasonable definition, not capable of making rational decisions.
	And I think that we can't beat that.
	It's always going to exist to some degree.
	These people are always going to exist.
	But just how we don't take the mainstream media seriously on certain aspects right now, the wider community as a whole won't take these people seriously.
	They're very easy to defeat in real life.
	I mean, oh, I'm offended.
	What kind of fucking comments?
	That's not an argument, is it?
	I'm reminded of Christopher Hitchens.
	That's not an argument.
	You know, you can fuck off.
	That was his literal response.
	I think that should be generally the literal response that anyone gives to, I'm offended.
	Unless you personally care about that person's offense, which I generally don't, why would I care?
	Even then, because like when we're assessing the truth value of a proposition or a claim, how you feel about it doesn't matter.
	So if you're trying to make an argument and then you're saying I'm offended, whether I care about your feelings or not, you being offended doesn't fucking matter.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Totally agree.
	All right.
	Well, I will go ahead and shoot you out a tweet and I look forward to getting together with you and exploring some ideas on the economics theory.
	What's your Twitter handle?
	Just so I have a look at it.
	It is the strain.
	I was actually on here a while ago under a different name, Mason, if you remember.
	And we had a conversation to some similar degree about Marxism and stuff.
	So it's something I'd like to thank.
	Yeah, I would definitely like to speak to more people who have got more expertise in it than myself.
	Well, it is what I've devoted my life to.
	Right, great.
	Yeah, send me a tweet and we'll definitely hook that up, man.
	All right, sounds good.
	Thanks for having me on.
	You guys have a good morning.
	Oh, and Merry Christmas.
	And to you.
	Thanks a lot.
	Bye.
	Who's next, Kurt?
	Ali is next.
	Ali, I'll shake.
	Can you hear me?
	I can.
	How's it going?
	It's going good.
	First of all, I guess I gotta say happy holidays or Merry Christmas if you're a Christian or whatever.
	Thank you.
	Also, first thing I'd like to address is that it's been going around.
	Well, now that we've sent our emails, we've done all of that.
	What next are we supposed to do?
	First, I think the thing people have to realize is, well, you're kind of doing it already because what's really the best, the most effective defense against all whatever the SJWs want to do and whatever will come in the future, that's basically the same thing is that you know about it.
	The fact that you know that this sort of thing happens will make it very obvious when it happens again in the future and you're gonna be a lot more experienced, you're gonna be a lot more ready to take it on again.
	I'm really hoping that the video I did on Metalgate really helps to inoculate the heavy metal community to look out for this kind of thing because it's exactly the same methodology.
	Exactly.
	It is and I think it was Jordan Owen who said it that there's a big on the Venn diagram of metal lovers and game gamers, there's a big intersection and you can see right away they're already calling bullshit on this stuff that they're throwing at them already.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	I mean the problem with heavy metal is metal heads and whatnot.
	Yeah exactly.
	And another thing I guess is that about what the strain said about having to live with the stupid people, I'm just kind of reminded of I think it was God, who was it?
	It was a comedian.
	I can't I'm blanking on his name, but basically he said, remember that the average human intelligence is basically right down the center.
	So 50% of all people are below average of intelligence.
	So you can kind of say that 50% of all people are stupid.
	You kind of have to live with that idea.
	Yep.
	It's a bell curve, isn't it?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Thankfully we got the other 50% to offset the stupid.
	And they're all in Gamergate.
	Yeah, I hope so.
	So yeah, was there anything else you wanted to say?
	No, it was just a quick couple of points, and that's it.
	Again, happy holidays, everybody.
	And see you.
	Thanks, Camille.
	Thanks, man.
	See you later.
	Take care, man.
	The next person was the Hyaku Shiki, which is actually a mobile suit.
	Okay.
	I 100% appreciate that you know that fact that it is a mobile suit.
	One of my favorite mobile suits of all time.
	I do find myself embarrassed to like the pilot of the original Huiyaku Shiki, which was Shar Hasabalt, because he's a pedo, but it's one of those things.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	He was quite true under that at that time, remember?
	Yeah, yeah, he was, though.
	Do you want to take this one a minute?
	Because I need to pop to the toilet and get another cup of tea.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	If this guy wants to talk about Gundam, that's fine.
	Never mind.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	i think that is going to add uh...
	At any rate, actually, that's supposed to say it's your right to be stupid.
	I run a small channel with a decent subscriber base who happens to be dedicated to a lot of the same things that I see you guys talk about on a regular basis.
	And one of the things that I've come across recently is a fear that eventually Gamergate may cross over to the territory of being, or at least some factions of Gamergate may cross over to the territory of being, just as radical and extreme as the feminists themselves.
	I think that might have already happened, in fairness.
	Yeah, I want to take a moment to talk about the situation with the rumor of Anita Sarkeesian possibly being a part of the development for Mirror's Edge 2, sequel to one of my all-time favorite platformers.
	And the outrage and the backlash that came from Anita Sarkeesian possibly being a part of that development team.
	Now, I'm not going to lie, the first thought I had as soon as I heard that was, oh, no, let's not do that.
	I'd like to be able to enjoy this game.
	But I had to sit back and do a little research and, you know, be intelligent and find out that, first of all, the rumor is not even confirmed.
	Second of all, if you take a moment and you go back to Mirror's Edge 1, you'll see feminist ideology all throughout that game, too.
	Prime example.
	Every person who died in that game is a male.
	There is not a single female who took a death in that game.
	I found it hilarious when I sat down and played it again.
	Even the treacherous main villain traitor female.
	She didn't die.
	She got away.
	Sorry, spoiler alert.
	She ended up getting away and faith and then her sister ended up living to tell a tale.
	The developers of Mirror's Edge also stated that he made faith in that way where she wasn't over sexualized because he believed there was too much of, well, sexualization in the game industry about video game or females in video games.
	So he's been known to say feminist S statements too.
	And it did nothing wrong for the game.
	Now, that's not to say that it's going to be a good thing if feminists do make video games, but that's not to say that it's going to be a bad thing.
	I thought Gamergate, as us in total, we supported that.
	Developing games is one thing.
	It's another thing to take over games journalists and corrupt it completely.
	So when I saw the petition that came out for it, it made me fear.
	It made me worried because we were turning into the exact same thing we didn't want them to be.
	We started screaming and yelling and trying to stop somebody from doing something instead of supporting or ignoring.
	Well, that's the comments that have been leveled towards the Ralph as well, the Ralph retort is that we're supposedly against this kind of tabloid, headline-grabbing, news types, basically, that are clickbait, you know, and that site is advertiser-driven as well, you know, and click-driven.
	So, you know, it's just a bit of hypocrisy, but all movements.
	I mean, the fact that King of Poll is going to go on bloody Fox News, you know, that was literally my sort of this guy has turned into ketchup from fucking, you know, from Occupy Wall Street.
	You know, we've gone that full sort of hard.
	I mean, could you imagine a guy going on Fox News?
	So you go by the moniker of King of Pole.
	Are we going to take you seriously in the real world?
	They might do, they might not, but I doubt it very much.
	So, yeah, I think that's always been, you stare too long into the abyss and it starts to stare back.
	So it's a bit of a, you know, a bit of a warning.
	I can totally see your point.
	I don't know whether it's Sargon, if he's back from the toilet.
	Oh, that's fine.
	My next question kind of segued into how important our movement is as a movement in society as a whole.
	A lot of times you'll hear criticisms, especially when I'm talking to whether it's some of my fan base who likes to hear other things that I cover on my channel, or whether it's just people I'm talking in to random parties or in social circles.
	They'll put it at the back burner because it is video gaming, because it's not the forefront, because it's quote-unquote entertainment.
	Although it is the world's largest median, it's still just entertainment.
	It's something you can walk away from.
	You can purchase or choose not to be a part of.
	Do you believe that there could ever be a moment in people's mindset where they just get so tired and they just run themselves into the ground so much that they actually start believing that, even if they're on the Gamergate side or the feminist side, do you ever think that we will go back to a mindset where we're sitting down and we're just enjoying video games?
	Because I tell you, it's hard to consistently keep your mind inside of the politics when gaming was always supposed to be something oriented towards fun and enjoyment.
	Oh, yeah.
	In the first instances for me, there was no separation, but after a while, it's just, you know, this shit on a day-to-day basis just, you know, it depends on.
	I mean, a lot of the people I knew, and at the time I was unemployed, not anymore.
	I have a new job that starts soon.
	But a lot of people were kind of involved in Gamergate at the scene.
	They were frustrated.
	They were angry for many other reasons as well.
	And some of them societal as well.
	And, you know, this really did.
	They're people that have been ostracized or had the finger wagged at them for differing sort of opinions.
	But after a while, you do realize you do go back to gaming.
	You do want to sort of separate your hobby because if the two become intrinsically linked, it's going to get miserable.
	Nothing you do then, you're going to relax and enjoy.
	So yeah, there will come a time when even the most ardent people will say, I've had enough.
	Everyone's got a limit.
	And that's kind of my thing with a lot of things.
	I think that's kind of why Gamergate has kind of slowed down at the forefront of a lot of the things we were looking at.
	Because it was for the longest time it was blowing up Twitter, it was blowing up all social media.
	It was a constant conversation, and mainstream media was covering as well.
	And while we may have Anita Sarkeesian do her couple of segments to Stephen the sellout, it's not at the forefront anymore.
	It's kind of taken a back burner like it should have.
	I've always believed that, at least in my mind, the main aspect of what I was always trying to achieve when I was trying to eliminate people like Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinzel and Brianna Wu from the discussion and some of their rhetoric is to bring the fun back to gaming.
	Because I tell you, when you go online and I'm just looking in my news feeds or I'm just talking to one of my fans and I'm covering a whole bunch of other issues centered around anarchy, the Second Amendment and other things like that, I'll sit down and I'll have somebody bring a video across my table.
	It's Stephen Colbert having a full-blown debate with Anita Sarkeesian and it just won't leave me alone.
	I'm like, I thought we were done with this.
	I thought I could take a moment to breathe from this.
	I want to play my games and enjoy them, not analyze the people who are trying to ruin them.
	No, I can appreciate that.
	I mean, the difference between people who are actively engaged in politics and go and march, they obviously have their other escapes.
	You know, game, if we're going to, if this is going to be, you know, they switch off after going on a march and they do something they enjoy, or maybe they engage in, I don't know what the fuck they do, a circle jerk or something like that.
	But if you're going to, if you're going to bitch about gaming, you know, what's happening to gaming, and then go sit down in a game, it's going to kind of blend.
	It follows you.
	And I don't think that's particularly healthy.
	I've seen a lot of people burn out over this and can't even enjoy the things that they're used to.
	And it's just a bit, you know, just take a step outside, have a cigarette, and go do something else.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like I said, Gamergate's a big movement.
	So, you know, you can take a week off and it'll still be here when you get back.
	I think if there's one thing that we can be sure of, that's probably it.
	Yeah.
	I think everybody should take a moment.
	But I guess my whole thing is, what is your end goal for it?
	For what you do on your channel?
	I mean, I've watched pretty much every video you had.
	And I get a general consensus, but what are you going to do when it ends?
	Because I remember the fiasco with the Internet Aristocrat, and I don't want to see anybody else go down like that.
	That wasn't the best of situations.
	If for whatever reason I decide to stop supporting Gamergate, I'm not going to go out and hit the quote.
	Just to say you know.
	Thank you.
	I prefer that.
	Don't go out like Alex Jones.
	Don't go out like Alex Jones.
	We don't need that.
	The thing is, I think he may have done us a service there.
	Because it's not like it really impacted anything in any real way.
	I mean, what did it change?
	It just seemed to be another attack on gamers, which, you know, I'm sure that's not how he meant it or whatever.
	But it came off as if anything, I think he actually, maybe it was a calculated thing.
	Maybe he knew that he'd get people's backs up and keep them in the fight.
	I don't know.
	I think maybe you're accrediting too much intelligence.
	I think.
	He's a smart guy.
	There's no doubt he's.
	I love the internet aristocrat, but I still think he's just throwing a hissy fit, partly because he got caught with his pants down literally.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I thought somebody else's pants were down in that stream.
	For me personally with my channel, I'm sure there's going to be more than enough bullshit out there in the world for me to rail against.
	So, you know, I'm concerned about Gamergate because it's something that's close and personal to me, gaming.
	So that's why I'm committed to it.
	But there's not going to be any dearth of stupid stuff going on in the world, so I doubt that I need to worry about that.
	And if ever a day comes where literally there's nothing worth criticizing because everything's been fixed, then fucking brilliant.
	That would be lovely, but you know, that'll never happen.
	Exactly.
	I'm not worried about that.
	My whole deal is, and that's where I'm at with my channel, especially since I started off as a channel that more centered around the benefits of anarchism to tell the truth or voluntarism.
	And I started with my channel being more involved in kind of constitutional libertarian type videos, tossing off things about the Second Amendment.
	And then it kind of just consistently became a situation where every other thing I was covering was feminism because I took my channel's tone and turned it from just fighting for quote-unquote freedoms, whatever, however you perceive that, to fighting stupidity.
	And that'll twist it all up in feminism real quick if you're fighting stupidity because it's all right there.
	So I wanted to know if it was just acceptable to kind of walk away from that and do some other things centered around that.
	That's all.
	And would you do that?
	I think it's entirely up to each individual what they do.
	And I think that it's important that people understand that they are individuals and the things they do reflect on themselves.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	Yeah, I appreciate the conversation.
	It was wonderful.
	And I'll definitely meet back and hopefully constantly have a good discussion again.
	Great.
	Look forward to the next time.
	All right.
	Peace.
	Cheers, everyone.
	Okay, it's Henry next.
	Henry, Henry Paling, how's it going?
	Hello, Jamie.
	I can hear you.
	How's it going?
	Good, good.
	I thought, what's better?
	What could be better to do than to rant about Gamergate on Christmas?
	No, actually, I thought maybe to do something a bit more positive, because we've already had a lot of, I guess, I don't want to keep saying ranting or whining, but kind of reliving the horrors of the war.
	I'm thinking because we are now heading into 2015 and I've been with Gamergate pretty much since the beginning.
	And even before that, I was my kind of background of being a sceptic came through losing my religion.
	And through that, that happened like almost five years ago now.
	But that happened in part thanks to the many skeptic communities online.
	Because it got lots of small groups, but they also, you know, they were together for a long time.
	Then Atheism Plus happened.
	And I think you already know the story of that from.
	I think we do.
	Do you want to just give everyone a quick rundown just in case they're listening and they don't know?
	Honestly, it happened in a time when I wasn't actively involved.
	I was kind of gearing up to do my own thing, sort of, because I come from a very small religion, but basically what happened with Atheism Plus was the SUWs came to the skeptist communities, mainly in America.
	It didn't really happen over here in Europe, but we were also kind of affected by it, of course, because a lot of this is online.
	And basically, they just wanted to insert gender politics, identity politics into everything, absolutely everything.
	And the big thing which happened was Elevator Gate.
	And that got so bad that people actually turned on Richard Dawkins.
	And although Richard Dawkins is a bit of an abrasive man, that was really the downfall of kind of the momentum and the icons of the skeptic community at the time.
	So, like I said, it's years ago now, but the effects of it have been that although skeptics are still around, you know, it's kind of hard to social justice eyes people who kind of pride themselves in being skeptics and being like, hmm, that's a nice idea, but what's your evidence?
	You know, it's kind of hard to do that, but at the same time, they were able to get so deep into it that the momentum for a lot of people were just it was just kind of fractured.
	And then you had different people going off in different places and there's still great people doing great things, but it's no longer quite unified like it once, at least felt like to me and to many people.
	And like I said, people at Thunderfoot in particular, on YouTube you have the amazing atheists as well.
	And another great guy who was affected by it actually, if you look up Armoured Skeptic, he's a Canadian skeptic.
	And he actually has an entire video where he talks about his own history with what happened with the atheism movement and when the studies came in and just they just messed everything up really.
	They caused a lot of infighting.
	So similar to what they tried to do here, but here they didn't really accomplish it, which is amazing.
	But yeah, that's kind of the history where I'm coming from.
	So I've been around and seen SUWBIS for a long time.
	I didn't really become full and TSUW and really become kind of the hardline libertarian-ish person, even though I think many people in Gamergate are still very left-leaning, but obviously there's a you know, the whole cultural Marxism angle.
	And basically I think that at this point we've proven that we've won, right?
	So I think we've won battles, but I don't think we've won the war.
	Well, it depends how you see that.
	You could argue, I guess you could argue, and this is what I was going to go I'm about to go into, is that the real trick is to stay vigilant, right?
	So obviously these people have been around for a while now, and they're just going to keep hopping around.
	They're going to find other groups, whether it be metal fans or who knows who's next.
	It could be anyone.
	It could be any small community out there.
	But Gamergate is where we really held the line.
	And even though they had, because we've kind of had these two halves of the issue.
	So one half has been the SUWs, because the other one's going about feminism, the other one's going about racism and any isms they can come up with to try and make out, oh, you've got to do as I say, and not as I do, and kind of thing, etc.
	But then the other half has been the journalists who are, I think, honestly, for the most part, just selfish.
	They're just corrupt, greedy people.
	And it was almost like a perfect storm for them.
	Except gamers are kind of tenacious, so didn't work out.
	But we've been told again and again that Gamergate is got is done, you know.
	I mean the first time where people really gonna be like, oh, Gamergate's gonna die for now was doing Destiny.
	And you have people like Toe Biscuit as well.
	Total Biscuit, great guy, love him.
	But I mean again bit of a you know negative Nancy about oh it's going to peel out and yes Gamergate will eventually kind of stop being what it is right now but yeah I think it'll change won't it?
	Yeah.
	And this is what I wanted to talk about just kind of this this idea of we're going to 2015 new year.
	What I would like to see for as many of us as possible is to basically people in this movement, calling it movement, have different areas.
	Some people do the emails, some people do the research, some people do the YouTube videos, some people do actual journalism.
	I mean we have tech repetitive etc.
	And I think it's really a case of everyone kind of batting down the hatches and making sure the trench is all dug and kind of preparing in our own diverse but unified ways to kind of continue to stay vigilant across the next year.
	Yeah I totally agree.
	Ultimately I mean what are we really?
	Ultimately I really think that we are gamers defending our hobby from these corrupt people who don't care about fun, they don't care about gaming, they care about their own goddamn agendas and the little nepotistic cliques of in-jokes and buddies and the little community that they have that they're trying to force above everything else.
	That's how it looks to me ultimately.
	It's just fuck these people.
	Totally.
	And that's really what I wanted to say though because I could have gone on a rant and I kind of did a bit there but yeah it's it's just something which I've wanted to say and try and get out to more than just cool people at a time and yeah that's really what I think everyone should be focused on right now because we've already proven what we stand for.
	As regards converting people I think there's no one left to convert.
	Everyone is either on our side or is neutral.
	That is actually kind of by default sort of on our side.
	The people who are left are people who are just ideologues, journalists or just people who are frankly fucking stupid.
	So yeah, I mean recent video which I saw which I felt compelled to comment on was Mr. Bittong's really snarky video.
	I'm not sure if you've seen that, have you?
	I haven't seen it, no.
	Mr. Bittong, well, Bitong, I say Mr. Bittong, he basically was one of the YouTubers that became famous during the Mass Effect debacle with the Mass Effect 3 ending.
	And he actually has quite a lot of good videos about just talking about cultural trends and particularly the game, of course.
	And he just released a video a couple days ago where basically he starts with this section about the dialogue wheel in Bioware Games.
	And then about something like two minutes into the video, he just suddenly goes on a tirade about Gamergate.
	And all he says is, I've seen everything.
	It's bullshit.
	You're just bullshit.
	Then he says, you can call me a shitw you call me brainwashed.
	Maybe I was a shill all along.
	And it's such a dismissive and almost, well, it's really deliberately inflammatory kind of style.
	It seems to be deliberately misinformed, though.
	I mean, is he not bothered about journalistic corruption?
	Is he not bothered about this?
	This is the thing.
	I mean, I don't want to kind of get on about him because honestly, my personal feeling is that he hasn't had a video for like six months.
	I think he was just trying to get the clickbait.
	Ironically, I actually checked his stats.
	He lost like over a thousand subscribers after releasing the video in the first like day.
	So yeah, good job, mate.
	But basically, I think that those are the kind of people that are left.
	So really everyone and anyone who is on our side or is kind of neutral, doesn't care, is apathetic, is already there.
	So I think the real...
	I think that's probably true of the way we're approaching it now.
	But I think that, I mean, there are going to be plenty of examples of social justice warriors deliberately manipulating or meddling with the development of games themselves.
	But I think that, I mean, there are going to be plenty of examples of social justice warriors deliberately manipulating or meddling with the development of games themselves.
	I mean, the Mirror's Edge 2 thing was, Sarkeesian wasn't on Mirror's Edge 2, but just the threat of it really got people's back up, you know.
	I'm sure that there were people outside of Gamergate who were just like, Christ, I don't want Sarkeesian meddling with a game I like.
	Yeah, and that's why I'm saying that I think that the next stage, the next evolution, the next digevolution of Gamergate is to just be vigilant and just have different people who are different areas.
	Because we have Gamergate supporters who are game developers.
	We have Gamergate supporters who are journalists.
	Well, a few of them here and there, Tech Region, for example.
	Well, yeah, we've got a counterculture of ethics.
	Yeah, we have entire YouTubers who are either neutral like Jon Tron or Boogie or actually obviously supporters of us like Total Biscuit.
	I mean, we have everything from the small guns to the big guns to people in every aspect of pretty much entirety of gaming culture.
	We don't have to prove anything at this point.
	I think that's my point here, we don't have to, cause if we keep going on the attack, attack, attack, like in terms of I mean, Internist Crat, whilst, like both people said before, I love him, but frankly, the guy is kind of a dinosaur.
	We've already outgrown that.
	I think at some level he recognized that, and part of the reason why he bowed out, whatever the case, embarrassed, tactical move, whatever.
	So I think that where we are currently at collectively is that we have to figure out how to strike a right balance to be the gatekeepers, to be the new gatekeepers, the watchdogs, the people who watch the watches, as it were.
	Instead of being this kind of revolution, because we've already made the noise, we've already gone the FTC to, well, helped encourage the FTC to change things.
	The Escapists has changed their policies.
	We've already affected change on multiple levels.
	At this stage, it's really about digging in and making sure that it kind of feels like the SEWs have already moving on, as it were, to metalheads or whatever.
	At least some of them are.
	It's different people.
	It's different people with the same mindset.
	But I kind of feel as if it's like, yeah, there's still people here, obviously.
	I can use Keys in a great example.
	But at the same time, it's like the bow of the ship has changed.
	The overall kind of focus for them keeps switching, because that's what they do.
	They look for targets.
	They look for weak points.
	They've already attacked gamers.
	They've already found resistance.
	They're not going to stop, but they're not going to keep attacking the same way.
	And we have to be careful that we don't, as it were, become that which we hate.
	We have to be careful that we don't become these zealots.
	But that we stay vigilant.
	Gamergate has to continue existing in some form, I think, some kind of overarching network of allies, of people who are aware of this bullshit and keep an eye out for it.
	Because we're going to get older, and then the younger generation comes up as well, as it happens.
	I mean, I'm going, I'm 24 and I'm talking as I'm old.
	But it's like it's a case of passing the torch on and making sure that people stay vigilant.
	And I think it's kind of the deal with any generation in all of human history, you know society moves on, but at the same time, you know, we're not evolved species, you know.
	We could easily go back to fucking World War II Nazism and shit if we were to be so careless.
	So it's really a case of making sure.
	I mean, this is that extreme, of course.
	This isn't Nazis, but yeah, no, no, I agree, but I think we better wrap it up there.
	Yeah, so for a while now.
	Thanks anyway.
	That's okay.
	No, I agree.
	I think we do need to stay vigilant.
	And again, I don't think we should get complacent.
	No.
	I've got no doubt that these people are still continuing to try and achieve what they want to achieve.
	They just know that there's a giant roadblock in the way coming down our avenue.
	But yeah, thanks a lot for coming on, man.
	Thank you.
	Not a problem.
	Take care.
	All right.
	It's Sour Grape next.
	Sour Grape, are you there?
	I thought it was Timothy next.
	God damn it, I wanted to hear Timothy.
	No, you can wait.
	And you can let Timothy go first if you want.
	Yeah, I could.
	I could be nice or be an asshole.
	Be an asshole.
	Let's see.
	I'll let Timothy go.
	Okay, Timothy, are you there?
	Yes, I'm here.
	I'm here.
	What did I say?
	Okay, as a black man, I'd love to touch up on the white privilege things.
	Oh, great.
	I'm looking forward to a black person's perspective on white privilege.
	So first I'll give you some.
	Are you aware of the Dutch Santa Claus, Saint Nicholas?
	Yes, indeed.
	The way they use the black top faces on their helpers.
	Yes, yes, I am.
	Okay, so basically, for those uninitiated with the Dutch holidays, you have Saint Nicholas, which is Santa Claus, from which he originated.
	You have St. Nicholas, who has his helpers, who are literally white people in blackface with big golden hoops, red lipstick, and afros.
	So it's basically the stereotypical blackface of the African originated slave.
	It's kind of like Gollywogs.
	Except Gollywog is actually a great name, though.
	I love calling my mates that.
	You know, the English have the best slurs, like and gollywog, you know?
	Anyway, so there's this documentary by a white woman about the absurdity of black peat, which is what it's called, Black Pete.
	So it's a great documentary.
	It goes on to combat the problem, the way the white people think about it, the way the people who are stubborn to change their ways think about it.
	And then, near the end, she harps on about white privilege, and it just pissed me off.
	My mum gave me this off look because I was yelling at the telly.
	And so she starts going off on white privilege, and then she shows this Nigerian writer who talks about white privilege.
	And what white privilege is to me and many other black people, is a way to circumvent the inherent racism that any people have, have you know ingrained in your being.
	And, you know, to like blame it on the patriarchy or like the white people.
	We have a dominant the dominant group on this planet is not Asians.
	They may be there may be more, but most of them are piss poor.
	We have the white people who are like the dominant group.
	And which is normal, um you know, so these white people they grow up in white countries and there's an influx of immigrants and the normal response is who's this stranger keep him o at a distance.
	So that's like like if you if you if if Sargon you would go to Nigeria, people would give you a look like what is this guy doing here you know I've been going on about black privilege, those dozen people.
	Yeah, black privilege, the privilege to be you know followed in a shop.
	You know, so so they harp on about this white privilege and they make it seem as if it's an actual issue while they're just masking the inherent racism that everyone has ingrained in them.
	And it just, you know it it it it um it obfuscates the problem.
	It just like you know blows it off on some stupid term.
	Instead of you know combating the issue that you know as a majority as a majority you look different towards minorities.
	And all these minorities who love being victims.
	They're like, oh yeah, white privilege.
	So in the documentary she shows like a black man with um with, with bolt cutters and shit, like working on a on a bicycle, you know, like to open it, and people are like calling police and everything.
	And in the same park they have white people doing it and the white people are like, oh yeah, so did you lost your key?
	Did you lose your keys in here?
	It's like, do you need some help with that?
	Did you lose your keys?
	And people are like, oh yeah, it was just the guy you know, maybe a dad, who lost his keys.
	And with the black man they were like yeah, I call police because you know it looked a bit fishy and it's like, and then they try to blame it on white privilege.
	And meanwhile the news in the Netherlands, okay, we have people from the Antilles who are basically slaves brought to Caribbean islands.
	And whenever there are a couple of them who are like top sportsmen in the in, in the Dutch team and in Major League Baseball, when they're doing well in Major League Baseball, it's headlines, Dutch players in Major League Baseballs.
	But when one of them shoots a cunt for knocking over his bike.
	It's Antille, black man kills man and it's like the headlines change.
	It's amazing how self-serving it is.
	It's so fucking retarded and it pisses people off, you know.
	And then, and then they look at you as if you're being unreasonable.
	You're regarding my people, the people who I, you know, grow up with and and and live with and love with people in my family.
	You see them as criminals and when I call them out on it, they're like, oh yeah, but like, oh, I'm not racist, you know, it's like they just love, like.
	And another another thing that pisses me off.
	Now here's going to be a short little one before I go and let Sal and I think racism that word pisses me the fuck off.
	We are humans, we are one singular race, be you black white, white, Asian, German, Jewish, Turkish, whatever.
	I don't know if the Germans are.
	They're a bit above us, but you know, it's still the same race, you know?
	Okay, no more German jokes because I might say some things.
	Sorry, go on.
	So when you look at a pug and you compare it to a Chihuahua's, it's a different race.
	It's literally a different race, chromosomes.
	The chromosomes are different.
	The genes are different.
	The DNA is different.
	You know?
	So, like, whenever people say racism, like, it because it's we should, like, it has this connotation that it's like, oh, evil and shit.
	That's why we perpetuate the word and the phrase.
	But actually, we're just being ethnically discriminative, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, and the thing is, one thing that annoys me about it is the idea that you can't ever point out differences.
	Because as if for some reason differences are bad.
	You know, that really bothers me.
	I mean, if you just take a look at any Olympic team, there's no getting around it.
	Black people can run really fast.
	Kenyan legs, mate.
	Kenyan legs.
	But I'm half Welsh, which means that I'm half Hobbit, and so I'm looking at...
	And Sheepshagger.
	Oh, I was about to say half sheep.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But I mean, if you look at the Welsh people, right?
	I've lived in Wales, and not for very long, but I did live in Wales.
	The thing is about the Welsh, right?
	The last people you would want to play rugby against are the Welsh.
	They are short and wide.
	You know, Welsh guys are just broad as hell and their centre of gravity is low.
	They're never going to outrun a Kenyan, but there is no way a Kenyan is going to out-wrestle a Welshman.
	Just no way.
	But you know, it's it's not, I mean, that technically is a racist statement.
	You know, technically, that is pointing out inferiority and superiority of different races.
	And it's like, yeah, but it's not pejorative.
	Which is the dumbest thing ever to call it racist.
	I mean, I might be ethnically discriminative, discriminative, or what's another good word?
	Dunno.
	Prejudiced or whatever, you know, but like there's no racism.
	When I shoot every Burmese cat that I see, I'm being a racist.
	But when I shoot a couple of niggas, because, you know, they stall like fuck you, man.
	Like, it's not an issue.
	It's not racism.
	It's, you know, and like, that's why the whole Mike Brown thing has me like fucking cooking up on Twitter, like, making fun of all these American black people, because, like, they're really butt hurt that a black man got shot by a white man.
	You know?
	Yeah, yeah, no, they are.
	Meanwhile, Syrian kids are starving, people in Africa are still without power in hot water.
	You know, fuck them, man.
	Sala wants me to go on about PC masterace and console issues, but I think I'm going to do a live stream for that because this is Gamergate.
	And Gamergate is more related to, you know, retards and social justice cunts.
	I'm going to go off.
	You know, if you ever want to laugh, just Cerberus has my email, just send me one.
	I'll come on and I'll rant for hours.
	And I'll be very, very racist, as they say.
	Because, you know, it's coming from a black person, though.
	Oh, no, no, no, no.
	Timothy is is Timothy is Timothy is what?
	Say it.
	Say it.
	Timothy is the whitest black man I know.
	Just because I'm cultured?
	Just because I'm cultured?
	Cultured, you say culture.
	Anyway, I'm serious though.
	You can have me on whenever.
	I can rant about things for ages.
	Like I have a black family, so I can complain about black people all night.
	Make all the actual racist people who watch your videos laugh, you know?
	I'll take my leave.
	Yeah.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	For everyone watching, Merry Christmas, Zighal di Verdanteuden.
	Well, I tell you what, that is the last black Dutch man I'm getting on here.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	Hello, Sarah.
	What would you like to say?
	Oh, gosh.
	Timothy's an asshole, professional asshole.
	Yeah, for telling me.
	I was going to comment on something I think someone was saying earlier about complaining.
	People complain too much in Gamergate.
	I think me and Cerbs were.
	We wrote articles when we were in Campfire about Gamergate and why we necessarily don't, the problems we see basically with it.
	And it's not necessarily complaining.
	I know it's weird, but people complain, so what?
	My biggest issue with it is there were certain initiatives, certain positive things that weren't being highlighted.
	I know John Kelly came on the stream earlier.
	Hi, John.
	If you're listening, keep cleaning your room.
	And he was trying to do Operation Rebuild, and it's not been going as successful as it should really be.
	And it's a great idea to actually contact.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was basically to contact different developers using heartfelt letters as they were.
	Not necessarily email because it isn't as personable.
	And I did some.
	I know a good four other people did some, and we took pictures and put it on Twitter and the whole shebang.
	But the operation hasn't been going as great as he hoped it would be.
	I think other things have been distracting people.
	Whether that be complaining, I don't really know.
	But I mean, new ethical standards have come about with Kotaku.
	I know for certain that Patricia Hernandez has to now state that she was in a relationship with Anna Anthropy.
	So that is okay.
	Now they have to disclose who they actually work with or live with or whatever.
	Applause to Kotaku for achieving the bare minimum.
	Well done, Kataki.
	Have you got an ethics policy yet?
	Fuck it.
	But I know new media, I know I go to Niche Gamer like every day, TechRaptor, other websites like that.
	Gamergate.me has come about, and even forums like Han and Reddit have actually worked together.
	Never saw that before.
	But there are some certain flaws out there.
	And I think the main one, and I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but whatever, it's lack of introspection.
	I think we don't ask ourselves a simple question, which is, why are people leaving Gamergate?
	And I know this is a rumor going around that people are leaving.
	People are kill.
	And it's actually true.
	I know a lot of people in my circles, they have actually left Gamergate.
	And it shouldn't really be a surprise because most of these people worked hard creating initiatives and projects and things of that sort for the movement.
	Unfortunately, they didn't really get the reception that they really desperately needed.
	Another reason why, at least from my perspective, is certain people have been complaining or making statements about things and they have been getting browbeat out of the movement.
	I know for a fact, and I'm going to toss her name out there, Gwendolyn was harassed through Han over some complete bullshit.
	Basically, they were complaining that she was a shill because she was working with me, actually, trying to investigate tabletop because people were having questions if tabletop was being conquered by SJWs or hasn't that already happened.
	It is what it is.
	That's all I can say about it.
	It is what it is.
	I could talk about that after, but it was sort of depressing watching her because she's done so much for so many people.
	And seeing her get harassed by people within Gamergate, that's really distressing.
	And a lot of other people are in her same position where they just ask themselves, why am I here?
	There's too much e-celebrity drama, a movie.
	I heard there's a Gamergate movie out there.
	I heard there's a I actually was being requested to make a video game with someone, a Gamergate game.
	I didn't want to do it because it's a different story, but I didn't want to do it.
	There's t-shirts, there's plush toys, and a satellite.
	And no, I'm not bullshitting you.
	There's an actual satellite that's going up through Space Chan, I believe.
	It's called My Sides.
	Yeah, I heard about that.
	I mean, I personally don't really care about that sort of thing.
	I'm more concerned about the more direct issues and the fight on the ground against these people.
	I don't begrudge anyone doing any of these things, but I am concerned about the accusation of harassment there.
	That bothers me.
	Not the accusation itself.
	I mean, you know, obviously I need to know more about it and need to see some evidence and speak to Gwen, I imagine, before I can make a personal statement on it.
	But yeah, I wonder what the motivation is.
	People have been harassed.
	I know I have been slightly browbeat because I don't agree with using war rhetoric within Gamergate because I find it a little triton silly.
	I don't really see this necessarily as a war.
	I see this as a miscommunication, considering the fact that we're talking about two different things.
	It's like they're talking about women in gaming and we're talking about ethics in gaming.
	And there's no way the two, like, we can talk about women in gaming in a different issue.
	This has nothing to do with it at all.
	I don't think, I mean, I've never spoken to anyone personally or seen anyone in Gamergate complaining about women in gaming.
	I just haven't seen that occurring.
	So when the social justice warriors say, oh, it's about women in gaming, I just, I'm baffled.
	Okay, well.
	Yeah, it makes absolutely no sense.
	Yeah, but point out where this is happening, social justice warriors.
	So at this point, for me, at least, it's almost as if you're yelling at a brick wall, a brick wall that's just talking about women in gaming.
	And I personally stepped away from it.
	I know Serbs wrote something else along the same lines that it just doesn't seem like it's going anywhere, to be honest.
	Well, that's actually an interesting thing to bring up because it's something I was thinking about the other day.
	If I'm ever doing any kind of interview or talking to someone from outside of the situation and they bring up Brianna Wu or literally who or Sarkeesian, I think there's literally one question that you just need to ask them.
	Are they journalists?
	And if the answer is no, then you can just shrug and say, well, I don't care then.
	You know, they'll say, well, what about the harassment of Brianna Wu or Zoe Co?
	And you go, well, are they journalists?
	No.
	Well, then that's not my problem.
	I don't care.
	I'm not interested.
	Why are we talking about them?
	And it's just a distraction, in a way.
	To be quite frank, and I know this is going to sort of freak people out.
	I'm not afraid of feminism because this is the, I have to believe next year is going to be the year that it's just over.
	That they just don't.
	They're not as vocal.
	Yeah, they're not as vocal as they used to be.
	Because in all honesty, why would they be even involved with gaming?
	Like, why would they even care?
	Why would they get into a niche culture and a niche?
	Why would Anita talk about video games?
	She's not a gamer.
	Out of all the stuff she could talk about, I have an answer for that.
	I think I have an answer.
	I think the reason is hegemony.
	Feminism is an ideology, and all ideologies effectively seek to become the dominant method of thought.
	That's the point of an ideology.
	They propagate themselves as abstract thoughts in people's heads.
	Specifically, the people pushing them do it to gain power.
	Look at Sarkeesian.
	Before she started doing her Kickstarter, she was nothing.
	She had nothing.
	She had no influence.
	She had no fame.
	She had no money.
	And now she's the queen bee.
	So that's the reason.
	It's about power.
	Even within a niche culture.
	Great.
	Even within a niche culture.
	Thanks.
	Thanks, Anita.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They will do it to anywhere that they think.
	Hell, I even saw an article on feminists who are trying to get, who are trying to, like, push feminism and diversity into skating and skate parks.
	They go down and they'd be like, oh, there are a lot of white men at this skate park.
	And it's like, yeah, that's because they're skating.
	It's like, well, we're here.
	They go down.
	They went down like a Wednesday afternoon or something and just spent some time there just to be present to say that there are feminists at this skate park.
	They didn't skate.
	I mean, it was just ridiculous.
	It was like a be there.
	Just go away.
	So Cerb was talking about someone who made a video about Anita in Tabletop.
	That was me.
	I just finished it today.
	Oh, really?
	Do you want to have time to do that?
	I'd like to see that.
	Sure.
	It was basically Anita goes to the XOXOFest, and I was listening to a podcast of a group that's out there.
	It's called Idol Thumbs, and they had her as a guest.
	So they have her as a guest, and they talk about a game called Marrying Mr. Darcy, which is a reference to Pride and Prejudice.
	And it's just a basic tabletop card game where you're trying to get your suitor and you have certain attributes.
	Now, one of those attributes just so happened to be beauty.
	And guess what she didn't like?
	Beauty?
	Yes, she did.
	She didn't like beauty, and she didn't like the fact that she had to marry someone.
	The concept of marrying someone was, you know, just, you know, terrible.
	And I just, I think she makes her personal playable.
	Like, she takes everything in her life that she thinks, like, her philosophy and her ideas, and she attributes them to every single game.
	And no game is going to live up to her standard.
	It can't.
	It wouldn't be fun.
	Absolutely.
	And it really is.
	It's a typical feminist refrain where they say the personal is political.
	And so if you find something personally interesting or offensive or whatever, then you should make a political issue out of it.
	Which is, of course, absolute nonsense because the personal is personal.
	It's not political, or at least shouldn't be.
	And making it political is just pathetic, in my opinion.
	But what are you going to do?
	Yeah, so that's all I wanted to do.
	And she'll stream I'm going to be doing with Cerb.
	It's going to be Terra in Tabletop.
	It's going to be great.
	We're going to be talking about horrible moments within tabletop gaming.
	It's going to be great.
	Helen, send me a link.
	I'll be listening to that.
	I used to play 40K like nothing else, man.
	Do you have horrible stories about 40K?
	Tons of dice.
	I have plenty.
	You can join us if you like.
	I'd like to listen, I think.
	Thanks a lot for coming on.
	No problem.
	Thanks for having me.
	Not a problem.
	Take care.
	Who's next, mate?
	Last two, Rebel and then T.O.
	I think Rebel's just stepped away, hasn't he?
	So, T.O., how are you there?
	Yeah, I am.
	Can you hear me?
	I can hear you.
	How's it going?
	It's going pretty good.
	How's it going with you?
	How's your Christmas?
	Really well so far.
	Really well so far, thanks.
	It's great to hear, yeah.
	Basically, I just wanted to pop in to say a couple of things.
	Sour touched on it earlier, but it's just kind of a couple of attitudes I've been seeing get worse and worse over the last few months.
	And one is people calling each other shills.
	And I think this is the most destructive thing to have happened to Gamergate, in my opinion, for the community, because it's just become a go-to term for anybody who disagrees with anybody.
	And people need to know, people need to realize that if somebody has a different opinion than you, they're not a shill.
	We are in a groupthink.
	We don't all have the same thoughts.
	We don't all have the same motives.
	Everybody's here for different things.
	It's similar to calling them misogynists, isn't it?
	Exactly.
	And that's the point I'm getting to.
	No, it's okay.
	The second attitude is with the so-called e-celebs.
	I think the people who, you know, they get their little followings, they get their little cliques.
	And then some of these people, I mean, I'm not going to name people because it's not healthy.
	But people who they make one little mistake or they get into one little argument and then they just say, fuck it, I'm leaving GG, burning everything to the ground, deleting everything, goodbye, you're all shitlords, or whatever.
	And they just flip out over these small little innocuous things instead of owning up to their mistake or trying to understand the misunderstanding that happened that caused a disagreement.
	And most of it happens on Twitter, and it's just...
	Hello?
	Hello?
	You there, mate?
	And it's just a bad place to have a discussion.
	And people should realize that.
	And both of these behaviors, the shill talk and people flipping out over little things, these are both tendencies that the other side has.
	This groupthink, this denial of owning up to your mistakes.
	And I think if you're acting like that and still claiming to be part of Gamergate, in my eyes at least, you come off as a hypocrite.
	And I think if you're an adult, you should act like an adult and treat other people as equals.
	And just try to fill in the context of whatever misunderstanding is going on.
	But people don't even try.
	And it's really becoming that our side is becoming very, very similar to the other side.
	And it's kind of distressing, in my opinion.
	I do think it's something that needs to be considered, without a doubt.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's definitely a slippery slope, I think.
	And I think that's also a big reason why a lot of people are leaving.
	I agree.
	I mean, I personally haven't seen any e-celeb drama for a while.
	Last night.
	What was going on?
	I can't actually, because I just noticed it very briefly, but it was between the Ralph and some other people.
	There's various different cliques.
	It's all very schoolyard bullshit.
	It seems to exist.
	It seems to have devolved to that kind of state, basically.
	Okay, well, I've actually spoke to Ralph a minute ago after we've after you had you have to go soon, don't you, Kurt?
	Yeah, I do, yeah.
	So, yeah, well, I'm actually going to get the Ralph on shortly after we've let everyone else speak their piece so I can have a chat with him.
	So, yeah, I'm interested in raising a few of these issues.
	It's fine.
	It's certain groups and individuals.
	There are certain things being written.
	To be honest, it's going to happen.
	You're not going to.
	I just ignore it.
	Especially when there's no news, basically, because this is what's kind of happened over the last month.
	After the FTC thing, there hasn't been any sort of like real push forward in progress that can be seen not just internally by Gamergate, but outside as well.
	And so people need to manufacture that drama.
	I think it's just a way of life for some people.
	They have to manufacture that drama for things to stay interesting and relevant.
	And certain people have audiences, obviously, to please, and certain things will be written.
	That's true.
	Well, I'll speak to Ralph about it after we finish here.
	Sorry, Tia, was there anything else you wanted to say, mate?
	No, that was pretty much it.
	I just kind of wanted to get that perspective out there.
	And I hope that people kind of look at themselves when they're conducting themselves on Twitter and HN and Reddit and places like that.
	And just kind of try to look at yourself from the outside and think how would you see yourself if you were somebody else talking to you.
	And I think if people take a minute before they say something to look at it like that, people would prevent themselves from saying stupid things.
	Basically.
	I totally agree.
	I think self-awareness is definitely something that everyone should be concerned about showing.
	Definitely, yeah.
	All right, well, that's kind of all I wanted to say.
	I'm actually at work on my lunch break, so I better pop off.
	Well, thanks for coming on, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thanks for having me.
	Oh, one more thing I wanted to say.
	You, Hot Wheels, and TB are the exemplars of what ECelebs should conduct themselves like.
	I just wanted to say that.
	Thanks for watching.
	Shout out to all three of you.
	You are professionals.
	Thanks very much, and I'm sure that they would thank you too when they hear this.
	All right, you have a great day.
	Take care, man.
	Thanks a lot.
	Merry Christmas, buddy.
	You too.
	Rebel Leader, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	Hello, how's it going?
	It's going well, thank you.
	Merry Christmas, Sargon, and everyone watching.
	And to yourself?
	I was wondering if I could talk about some dramatic faggotry, I believe the term is.
	Go ahead.
	Why not?
	Let's finish on a bit of dramatic faggotry.
	Well, actually, have you guys seen the new Internet Aristocrat guy, or the guy who was posing to be Internet Aristocrat?
	Have you seen his account?
	What, on YouTube or Twitter?
	YouTube and Twitter.
	I've seen some of the very strange videos.
	It's interesting because when Internet Aristocrat either deleted his account or what happened, he got rid of his Google Plus.
	Did you guys notice that his followers went down to zero as well?
	Because I thought his followers got 384 subscribers on YouTube.
	Yeah, but didn't it happen on Twitter as well?
	No, he's still got 20,000 followers on Twitter.
	I know, but I could have sworn he had like I could have sworn that went down.
	But anyway, a lot of people, I think, are under the impression that this is a different internet aristocrat.
	But recently, he re-enabled his Google Plus, as it was.
	And you can see that it's all the same guy.
	He's got all the comments that he used to have, and he's only got 364 subscribers now.
	And well, yeah, you can see the comments from the old channel as well.
	He also, which is funny as well, he also made archives for all his old videos.
	But I mean, it sort of just goes to say, you know, all this dramatic arguments that have gone on, e-celeb shit has really pushed a lot of people away from GamingGAD.
	I don't know.
	I just wanted to sort of get your opinion on this because, yeah, you're someone I like to watch, and I subscribe to your thought.
	Yeah.
	Oh, well.
	I don't think that it's Internet Aristocrat running the account.
	I think that it was someone who's someone who knows him, though.
	And I think he's probably just given him the password or something like that.
	And the guy is good at mimicking Internet Aristocrats' approach to things.
	So I don't think there's any danger of.
	I don't think it's.
	Because, I mean, if you look at the about section, it's someone called Haberman now under there.
	And I don't think that's it.
	So I think really that I just don't really care about dramatic faggotry anymore, to be honest.
	You know, if someone wants to make a little drama about themselves, let them, but it just reflects badly on them.
	And, you know, that's it.
	I just, you know, fuck it, just ignore it.
	I'd do something else.
	Yeah, well, that's all I really wanted to ask you about.
	Thank you for putting out all these videos, Sargon.
	You do a lot of good work.
	Thanks very much.
	I do my best.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, thanks a lot for coming on.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	That is the end of the portion.
	I had a bit of Twitter fuck-up.
	So if we actually do this in the future, I'm going to create a Gmail account so people can email.
	I think Twitter's outlived basically its usefulness with regards to trying to get people on.
	Okay, no problem.
	Apologise if I didn't get around to everybody, but I had to use my own email, which got kind of messy.
	So I'll create a separate Gmail for this in the future if it does happen again.
	Okay, not a problem.
	I'll make sure that that's very clear in future.
	Just in case anyone's curious, yeah, stop applying to come on now because you've got a head off, don't you, Kirbs?
	Yes, I've got board games to go play.
	Yeah, I've actually got to do that in about an hour and a half.
	Folks, come at my parents at the moment, which is why I've had such a stable internet connection.
	It makes a difference.
	Yeah, it really does.
	My parents' internet connection is so much more just fast than mine.
	I've managed to upload all of the other videos that I've taken off my main channel to my gaming channel.
	I've actually caught up, and it means I've got to actually record some more.
	But yeah, I thought that was going to take me months.
	There was a couple of things in the chat that just wanted to address.
	There were a lot of people on here that did have YouTube channels.
	If they're still listening, tweet at Sargon, and I'm sure you said that you'd tweet them out again.
	If you want to tweet at me, I will retweet your.
	We don't have a comprehensive list of who had what.
	You probably want to tweet.
	Okay, someone's saying we need a fucking forum, Sargon.
	Give us a forum.
	I've been using, what is it?
	Gamergate.community.
	I think this is a really decent little forum.
	It's just, you know, it's a nice, easy-to-use forum.
	It's, you know, you register an account.
	So, I mean, I personally, again, I'm not a big fan of the sort of anon thing with 8chan and stuff.
	It's not that it's not a bad idea or anything.
	It's just not for me.
	So I'm just going to tweet that.
	Gaminggate.community forum.
	I haven't used it in a few days, actually, but I do use it every now and again.
	Were there any other questions from the chat since you guys are here?
	No, that was the only one.
	I've just sent the link to join to the Ralph so we can talk to the Ralph.
	Well, I'm going to talk to the Ralph report for an hour or so about drama, I guess.
	E-celebrity drama and Dan Olson's retarded retardedness.
	Yeah, sounds like an interesting topic.
	Yeah, man.
	Thanks a lot for helping me do this, man.
	Again, I really couldn't do this without you, so I really appreciate it.
	No, it's perfectly fine, mate.
	And you have a good Christmas.
	Thank you to you, man.
	I'll speak to you soon about the next video.
	You will, and make sure you get Birth of the Federation.
	Yes, I will.
	Multiplayer on it.
	I'll kick your ass.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I'll look forward to that.
	Have a good Christmas, Dave.
	Take it easy, man.
	Take care, Bam.
	Right, so chat, you stuck with me.
	While we wait for the Ralph, so I'm just going to have a quick look through some of your tweets.
	Oh, Elenjandro Aragono, I'd really like to get you in, actually, at some point.
	I'd like to do a stream with you and talk to you about your artwork.
	So if you're around at any point, please do DM me on Twitter because I am following you, I believe.
	I'm just going to check that.
	Yeah, we follow each other.
	So contact me.
	I would definitely like to have a stream with you and just talk to you about your artwork, really.
	Who else have we got here?
	I was thinking at some point of doing a large multiplayer game at some point.
	Finding something that we could play, like Quake Live or something like that.
	Just, you know, some crazy bullshit that I can record and just, you know, have us all playing a giant multiplayer game or something.
	What's everyone reckon?
	I reckon Quake Live is the way to go, because I kind of suck at Quake.
	But it should be fun as fuck.
	I would definitely have David Pacman on one of my streams.
	If you wanted to come on, I'd talk to him.
	I would actually be very interested in talking to him about some of his progressive views.
	Not that I think he'll accept, but I'd definitely be interested in doing it.
	What else have we got?
	Philippa Oliver Holz, I notice you.
	Yeah, I should.
	Things with the Crusader Kings 2.
	Someone's Tornado Watch said you should start a CK2 or EU4 multiplayer game.
	And I totally agree.
	But that's the sort of thing that you need to put a day aside to stream or something on Twitch.
	And I haven't got around to doing it.
	There's Why the Alien in there, which is a guy who runs video game journalism YouTube channel.
	Thoroughly recommended.
	It's just full of great sources.
	Just absolutely brilliant.
	If you need to find information, he is the guy to go to.
	He is absolutely fantastic.
	That photo on Encyclopedia Dramatica is indeed me.
	I'm wearing the Batman onesie.
	Feel free to go and have a wank about that later.
	But yeah, so what do you guys think?
	Just getting a big multiplayer game or something.
	I really like the idea.
	Have I ever spoken to Mike Carew?
	No, but I'd really like to.
	I really like his videos.
	He's a very articulate man, and he's got his finger on the pulse.
	If I recall correctly, he was involved with Atheism Plus and got burned by the social justice warriors there.
	So yeah, what I'll probably do with regards to a large multiplayer game, I guess it depends how drunk I am tomorrow night.
	But I was thinking, you know, a Christmas game or something would be just a laugh, even if it's just for an hour or something.
	If everyone's drunk on Twitter or something, I'll tweet out a link to a game and we can all just get the fuck in there and beat the crap out of each other.
	Right.
	My goddess is Vivian James.
	Well, Vivian James is probably just another avatar of Ishtar, to be honest.
	So, yeah.
	And someone appears to have arrived.
	Ralph, is that you?
	Yeah, it's me, man.
	I was trying to get rid of my hiccups, but I failed so far.
	So hopefully I can fix it during the course of the broadcast.
	Right, okay, great.
	How's it going, mate?
	Well, it's going pretty good.
	A lot of people were criticizing me last night for running the, I guess you could call it, Judge Child Porn article.
	What was the deal there?
	Because I kind of have no idea what all of this is about.
	Honestly, I don't really either because it wasn't, you know, I was just reporting on what happened.
	Okay, so what happened?
	Well, what's his name?
	Photo Book Human.
	That guy that made it.
	Yeah.
	He wrote a big long-ass article about how about how 8-Chan supports pedotype stuff.
	And so, well, it turns out, and I'm sorry for these echoes.
	It turns out, well, he lives in Canada and some of this material he showed is kind of iffy there in Canada, so he could possibly be in some legal trouble.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, really.
	Idiots.
	Yeah, idiot.
	Exactly.
	So, you know, I saw some stuff on Twitter this morning when I woke up.
	And, you know, I don't know for sure if he can be or not, but I wrote it up and provided the information.
	And then, you know, I don't know, at least 10 people came after me like, Ralph, you're exploiting child pornography and da-da-da-da-da.
	And how were they saying that you were exploiting child pornography then?
	Well, I've by reporting on Dan Olson.
	Right, yeah.
	What they said was instead of writing a report about it, I should have just reported it to the FBI, Which is bullshit because these type of report reports are written all the time.
	I mean, it's not like I'm breaking new ground writing about.
	Absolutely.
	It's normal.
	Yeah, it's normal.
	Exactly.
	You know what I'm talking about.
	It's normal.
	Especially in tabloid journalism.
	It's not unusual by any stretch of interpretation.
	Yeah, I mean, it's not the New York Times.
	So, I mean.
	Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
	People were saying, well, you're a bit tabloid, but I was like, well, yeah, but you know you are, don't you?
	Right, yeah, of course.
	It's not like you're pretending you're not.
	I never deny that, no.
	Yeah, and the thing is, I mean, what's your position on, you know, how you report?
	I mean, do you deliberately leave out information?
	Do you, you know, what's your position on, you know, why do you do tabloid journalism and not any other kind of journalism, just have interest?
	Well, one reason would be there is no other tabloid journalism site in gaming, really.
	In Gamergate, do you mean or?
	Not just Gamergate, but in gaming in particular, I don't know of a lot of sites like mine.
	So I kind of saw a niche there, and it's fun.
	So, I mean, I just make sure to qualify anything I don't know and stuff like that.
	You know, you don't want to run afoul of the law and stuff.
	That's exactly what I was saying earlier, in fact.
	One thing that you do is I've noticed that you do stress when you can't be sure of something.
	You know, when it's just hearsay, rumor, whatever.
	I've heard you, I've read you saying that.
	And I noticed that you do give a lot of your sources.
	In fact, I've never really seen you make a claim that's been unsourced without the proviso that this is an unsourced claim.
	So honestly, I've actually got no particular criticisms of what you've been doing.
	Well, a lot of people hate on my headlines and stuff like that.
	And I mean, they are a little sensationalistic, let's face it.
	But I don't know.
	Plus, I pissed a lot of people off back in September, and they hold a grudge.
	So what are they holding a grudge over exactly?
	Well, you know, on Twitter, I can kind of be an asshole.
	And understatement, maybe.
	So what you're saying is you've been creating e-celebrity drama.
	Well, I mean, I wasn't an e-celebrity back in September, but so I blocked a couple clowns or whatever, and they've been having it out for me the whole time.
	It is what it is.
	If you've got haters, you must be doing something right.
	Well, I mean, at the end of the day, man, it's your site to run as you want.
	So I'm in no position to advise or criticize or anything like that.
	I just thought it'd be good to allow you to explain what your site's about and why you do it.
	I mean, everyone's going to have detractors for what they do.
	And I haven't seen you actively trying to mislead anyone that I'm aware of.
	So I've got no particular criticisms other than just the way you present it.
	And that's up to you.
	Yeah, I mean, it's in a tabloid style.
	I'm not going to sit here and lie.
	That's what you want to do.
	Yeah.
	But I try to, even though it's tabloid style, I don't, you know, lie or anything like that.
	And if I don't know something, I always put alleged.
	Do you issue retractions if I don't want to call it a retraction, but it was a it was um I guess correction over the King of Paul Denton stuff that even though I had sourced it to him completely since I ran a couple stories on it I felt like I needed to write some kind of uh some kind of uh I guess you could call it retraction,
	but more just like a clarification because I still don't know the veracity of those of those posts.
	I mean, I assume they're probably fake now, but but you you issued a clarification to yeah, yeah, I did and then I went on by the way funny story, I went on um you know the screenshots of Zoe Quinn lately talking about Patreon from their RRC.
	I went on there a couple times and uh they're just like hey Ralph, what about that correction on the on the Denton thing?
	And I said, Well, you know, the New York Times, CNN, and USA Today have all issued corrections as well, so I don't really feel like I'm in that bad a company.
	Well, it's um, yeah, it's again, it's it's your site, it's how you run it.
	It's you know, not for any anyone to specifically say that you can't do what you do.
	I mean, I I would only criticize you.
	I mean, I I'm personally not a fan of tabloid journalism, but I understand it's about getting the scoop and all that sort of thing, which is, you know, it's just I'm I'm sure that getting information out there quickly is a good thing.
	Yeah, I mean, it's not for everybody, I'm not gonna lie, but but I try to, you know, I try to mix it in with humor and stuff like this.
	I don't know.
	I'm having fun with as long as you're not doing anything damaging, I don't see a problem with it.
	I mean, I think getting on Dan Olsen's case about him using child pornography in an article trying to defame Gamergate.
	I actually thought you were right on I mean I read the article and I, you know, I thought that you seemed to have gotten on the back foot from the word go, which is a good thing.
	Yeah, I just I mean the people coming at me over that, I really could not understand.
	I think that a lot of these people just have an axogram because I mean pretty much clearly that's another story.
	I mean yeah I would have thought so.
	I mean you know and I again if I'm happy for people to not like what you do and you know that's fine business you know isn't it but I I agree that I agree I mean I thought that you and Rogue Star handled it really well actually.
	Did you see what Rogue was tweeting as well?
	Today?
	Yeah, what about the accusations from Dan Olsen?
	You can refresh me, I probably yeah, he basically he basically found that Twitter's terms and conditions, terms of service, don't permit you to tweet child porn links even if it's to try and r raise awareness or something.
	That's prohibited by the terms and conditions.
	So Rogues was all over it.
	You'd got the information documented.
	I don't see a problem with the way you guys handled it.
	I thought that you did, you both did a really sterling job, just getting that.
	You know right, just get establishing, I, I hate to say it like this, but establishing the the, the Gamergate side, you know the the the, the counter narrative to the narrative they're trying to push, I suppose is probably the best way to.
	Well, that's what somebody earlier told me.
	It's like Ralph, why are you even responding to this?
	You know, just let it go and report it.
	And I said man, you know, if you let lies go, you know uncounter, they're gonna be believed as truth.
	I totally agree.
	I, I don't think we can be complacent, you know no, definitely not.
	But yeah, he's just like, let it go, Ralph, let it go.
	No, we need to write something about this.
	So, let let me talk to you about Unlimited T Y Works.
	Someone called At Tyfrax, who you blocked over this.
	Oh, are we going to go there?
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	Well, I'm going to hold you to account.
	No, that's fine.
	No, I want to talk about it all.
	Exactly.
	I think, you know, transparency is the best way.
	Because even if you've made a mistake, at the end of the day, if it turns out if you can see that you've made a mistake, I'm sure you can undo it.
	Nothing's permanent.
	No, I'm not willing to say I made a mistake just yet.
	I'm not trying to make you say that.
	I don't know.
	But you just tweeted me.
	So you tweeted, did social justice warriors post trial porn while trying to ruin 8-Chan?
	And he said, I really wish both sides would stop using this to get the other side.
	It's about children, you stupid fucks.
	Honestly, Ty, I'm not sure that's entirely fair.
	I think that when Dan Olson writes an article accusing 8-Chan of hosting pedophilic content, I think that's a valid item of news, especially if he is actually exploiting the exploitation of children to attempt to defame Gamergame.
	So I'm not sure that's entirely fair.
	He's probably listening, so I'll probably get it in the ear when he tweets.
	But what's your opinion on that?
	Let me give me Typhax's screen name because I already blogged him, so I want to.
	Yeah, okay, Hang on.
	And again, Typhax, I'm not trying to get in your case here, man.
	I'm just...
	No, it's fine.
	I'd love to talk about it because they've been spreading bullshit.
	I'll tell you one other thing is I blocked a few of them and then they immediately went over to 8-Chan and tried to act like I was starting a block list.
	No, I'm sure that you're not starting a block list.
	No, I am not starting a block list, period.
	Let me get that out of the way.
	It's at T-Y-F-A-R-A-X.
	And again, don't get on his case or anything, guys.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	I mean, to the audience who's listening, because it just occurred to me that I've just given out his Twitter handle to like 600 people or something.
	So, you know, don't get on his case.
	I don't want to cause any more drama than necessary.
	I'm trying to actually diffuse it.
	Because, I mean, the thing is, I can understand where he's coming from, but I'm not sure it's fair to have a go at you for reporting on someone else doing what he's angry about people doing.
	You know, to me, it seems like you're trying to exploit Dan Olsen's idiocy for clicks rather than exploiting children for clicks.
	But that's just me and I've got a lot of people.
	Well, yeah, I mean, people say exploit for clicks, but do they not realize that I'm doing this for a job now?
	I mean, like, I try not to be too clickbaitish, but I mean, people a good headline goes a long way in getting somebody to read your article.
	I don't know.
	No, that's well, it's true.
	I mean, that's true.
	And, you know, you've got to do what you've got to do, haven't you?
	So, you know, like you say, you've never been shy about saying, look, I'm a tabloid journalist, so is it any wonder that I have quite inflammatory headlines?
	It's the same, you may as well go after any newspaper on any news outlet and say the same damn thing.
	If you look at the independent newspaper in the UK, it's such a shame.
	Sorry, I just need to grab a drink, Howell.
	Sorry about this.
	By the way, I get jealous of your UK press sometimes.
	What are you jealous of in the UK?
	Just that they don't give a fuck.
	What do you mean?
	Like, well, I guess they get more of a fuck now after the Mali.
	What's her name?
	The little kid that got kidnapped and they hacked her voicemails and shit.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Yeah, they're a little more careful now, maybe.
	Yeah, but The thing with the Independent, it used to be a really reputable news source, but if you look at their website now, it's just clickbait, nothing but clickbait.
	And even the BBC are becoming clickbaity.
	And it's like, listen, BBC, you don't actually get paid by the fucking click because you don't have adverts.
	You get paid by British taxpayers.
	So stop with the clickbait bullshit for fuck's sake, you know?
	Yeah, they got a nice stipend from British taxpayers.
	Yeah, they absolutely do.
	I know a lot of people aren't happy about that.
	I'm not particularly happy about it, but, you know, okay, this is how it is.
	So, you know, let's think about this BBC.
	You can actually go a little more fucking intellectual with it rather than just desperately struggling for clicks.
	If you actually did some proper journalism, and one of the problems with the BBC is that they're out for sound bites now.
	Yeah.
	You're right about that.
	I actually love the BBC, but I don't know how much I would love them if I had to pay the TV license.
	They used to be good.
	They used to be good and now journalism has changed generally and the BBC are just allowing themselves to be dragged down with everyone else.
	And it's like, well, you should be leading the way.
	You actually do not have the restraints and the conditions that everyone else has.
	You don't have to become clickbaity.
	You don't have to answer to advertisers.
	You could actually be leading the way in pushing forward and improving things.
	But are they fuck?
	I'm trying to find this.
	Oh, after calling out the Ralph Retort for using disgusting stuff, this is where I blocked him.
	What?
	Ty Frax, who I'd never heard of before the other day.
	He was basically saying I was taking advantage of child pornography, and I didn't take Conly to that and figured that I should just block his bitch.
	I'll tell you what, if you don't mind, I'm going to get him on so he can talk to you about it, if you don't mind.
	And if he gets uncivil and whatnot, I'll put an end to it.
	I mean, I can get uncivil too, but I'm just saying.
	I don't want either of you.
	You're a great moderator, honestly.
	I've got to say, I've seen you calm down some pretty fucked up situations.
	Thanks, man.
	That's the thing.
	Hey, bring him in.
	Bring him in.
	Let me go get another beer.
	And I'll be right back, okay?
	Yeah, absolutely, man.
	I'll send him a message to see if he...
	Okay, see what he says, man.
	Okay, see what he says, man.
	Right, okay.
	In the meantime, I'll give you a bit of dead air.
	Sorry about this, guys.
	No, I will try and waffle on for a bit.
	I'm just contacting people.
	See, this is why I can't do this without Kirbs.
	Honestly, I can't stress enough just how much I need his help when I'm doing all this.
	It's okay if it's a one-on-one thing or a couple of people who just sat in the chat, but when you have to arrange these things on the fly and talk, it's a hell of a lot more difficult.
	Oh, someone's just asked David Pakman if he's got time to come on and talk, and he doesn't, which is a shame.
	I'm just going to invite him any other time, though.
	In the meantime, I'm just going to waffle about that fucking Kataka article.
	I just cannot get over it.
	Really can't get over it.
	So I've sent him a message with the link to join and asked him to come on.
	He hasn't responded or joined yet.
	So what else do you think's been going on?
	What's your opinion of other things that have been happening?
	About these things?
	Just anything GameGate related, really.
	Well, I'll have to refresh my website so I can make sure I don't miss anything.
	Excuse me.
	Well, we have the Pedo Gav story, of course.
	Yeah.
	Patreon apologizing to Rogue Star, I thought was a pretty good step.
	Yeah, tell me about that, in fact, because again, I saw the headline, but that wasn't anything that particularly involved me, so I didn't delve into it.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Basically, back on December the 5th, Brianna Wood was starting her jihad against Rogue Star.
	And so she ended up sending up a bunch of tweets about how he was a criminal, basically, and needed to be prosecuted.
	Really?
	She was saying that about Rogue Star.
	Yeah.
	Over his joke, Patreon, that was clearly a joke.
	Wow.
	I mean, I'm not.
	I shouldn't be surprised.
	Sorry.
	I am a bit surprised, but I shouldn't be surprised.
	No, you really shouldn't, because I've seen these types of jokes from the SJWs all the time.
	But, you know, double standard and all.
	Well, yeah, of course.
	You know, God forbid they live by their own rules.
	So what happened then?
	So she said that Rogue Star was, what, threatening someone or what?
	She said that, yeah, that he was turning violence, basically extorting someone if they didn't pay him 500.
	If they didn't pay him 5,000 grand, that that kind of is extortion.
	Yeah.
	That's not extortion, Brianna.
	No, it's not.
	You're an idiot.
	That's right.
	But anyway, so they ended up taking his Patreon down, then he put it back up or something later on, a couple days ago.
	And he tweeted at the co-founder of Patreon and said, hey, you're about to be hearing from my lawyers if you don't fucking take this down.
	And, well, they apologized to him and took it down.
	Well, that's good to know.
	It's funny how when the lawyers get involved, a lot of things get solved pretty quickly.
	It is incredible, isn't it?
	But I tell you what, Patreon have been surprisingly fair during this whole thing, because they're based in San Francisco, and they're undoubtedly.
	I've got no doubt that they're very pro social justice.
	And they've been surprisingly professional about all of this, I've got to say.
	And I'm not just saying that because I have a Patreon.
	I'm saying this because genuinely of their actions, they have been surprisingly fair.
	I really...
	It was when the Sarkeesian effect first came under scrutiny and the social justice warriors were trying to get it shut down.
	Oh, and they're still looking at them, by the way, according to Zoe Quinn.
	I'm sure they are, according to Zoe Quinn.
	But I was genuinely impressed how just how fair Patreon were about it.
	And they're still going, if I'm just going to check, just to make sure I'm not talking shit.
	But yeah, no, they're still getting just under $9,000 a month to make the Sarkeesian effect.
	And I'm genuinely interested in seeing where that goes.
	They said that, well, Frederick Brennan put out an email that seemed to suggest they were going to let him put up a new Patreon that just benefits himself.
	So I don't know if that'll happen or not, but that's what he put out last night.
	Hot Wheels has put up his own Patreon, has he?
	Yeah.
	Well, they said the one he changed the tit or Haichi the Cat or how the fuck you say.
	They said that wasn't allowed because he changed the terms or whatever.
	Oh, right.
	But they said they would let him start a new one, so hopefully that happens.
	I mean, there's no reason that he personally couldn't have a Patreon, is there?
	Me?
	No, I actually did.
	It's funny.
	I don't advertise this much.
	But I had a Patreon like the first week or two of all this.
	And, well, you know, I wasn't very established for one.
	And basically I didn't get any donations.
	But ever since then, I just redoubled my efforts on my AdSense and stuff like that and try to make money like that.
	I don't know in the future if it gets hectic, maybe I would, but we'll see if there's an audience for that.
	Well, again, I think that different things have got different methods of funding that are viable.
	Again, it's not even for me to dictate how these things should or shouldn't be.
	It's for the market to decide, in my opinion.
	So, yeah, I mean, if the AdSense is working for you, then the AdSense is working for you.
	Yeah, well, I mean, plus, you know, there's kind of a riff between people who use Patreons and shit.
	And they were talking some of that shit about me last night about Ralph's got to make his sheckles and da da da da da.
	Well, I don't know if these people realize, but if our new outlets don't make any money, they're not going to be around.
	Yeah, that's.
	Yeah, I'm not trying to shill when I say that, guys, you know, we do have to support websites like TechRaptor and Good Gamers and whatnot.
	If you don't give them views, then they don't get paid to do what they do.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because we're fighting professionals.
	That's the problem.
	Kotaku, Destructoid, all these players, they're professionals.
	This is what they do.
	So we need professionals on our side.
	And they've been entrenched for years.
	I mean, it's not going to be easy.
	Yeah, no, sorry, totally agree.
	Karen.
	No, go ahead.
	I would just co-sign on what you said.
	Yeah, literally, I mean, they're entrenched.
	They've got their profession set up and they know what they're doing.
	And so we need to have professionals fighting in our corner.
	And I'm not just saying that because I'm one of them.
	I'm not just saying it because it's self-interest for me.
	It's genuine.
	Well, no, it's common sense.
	I would think so.
	I really would.
	I do understand people's fear about being taken for a ride and for being exploited and stuff.
	I totally do.
	But I think at this point, if there's anyone still with Gamergate, then they're in it for the right reasons, I imagine.
	I think at this point, if someone's still with GameGate, then they care about the cause.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	It would have been easier for me or anybody else to just quit.
	I mean, I feel like these are the true believers and the core of Gamergate.
	I mean, I'm not slagging off anybody to quit.
	I understand.
	Because it can get to be a fucking daily grind every single day.
	But I don't know.
	I'm in it to the end.
	Me too, man.
	Honestly, I give a shit.
	That's the thing.
	I really care about what's going on.
	I'm sick of watching these people.
	I'm sick of watching these people fucking command the discussion.
	You know, that's that pisses me off the most.
	Well, that was.
	I don't mean to cut you off, but that was one of the main things that got me involved in the beginning.
	It was all these game sites suddenly turned into like uh full Macintosh megaphones.
	Uh, I mean, I s I can tell you for a fact.
	I remember at least three ars three Anita Sarkeesian pieces being run on Kotaku and and people you know several people were just like well, when are we gonna hear the other side?
	And Totillo is just like, oh well, we got that coming, we're looking through, we're looking through.
	Oh, sure you do, Totillo.
	Yeah, exactly sure you do.
	Yeah yeah, we're gonna start a committee to study it.
	Yes, fucking Jesus I, I fucking hate Kotaku, I really do.
	What pissed me off most about him right is when he was doing the stream with Total Biscuit and Total Biscuit was asking why he doesn't have an ethics policy and he was saying how he didn't.
	I can't remember exactly how he said it, but it was essentially something along the lines of I don't want people to be able to pin down my journalists for wrongdoing.
	And I was just sat there and you could see TB's fucking expression.
	It was just like, oh wait, that's what he really said.
	That's a that's a surprising thing to say, because that's exactly the wrong thing to say.
	That's the reason he wants, exactly that's the reason gaming gets fucking happening, you idiot.
	And it was just.
	And I saw another stream uh, with TB uh, later after that, where he was like I totally, totally do not agree with that.
	That's the complete opposite of my opinion.
	And he was just completely distancing himself from it because it's like yeah literally Totillo, you fucking moron, you know you, you.
	It is good to nail down your journalists if they've done something wrong, if they've violated your fucking ethics policy.
	That's the point, and there's so many examples there.
	Kotaku, I just what was read the article from him earlier today.
	I don't even know if I can find it pulled up.
	I've got it here.
	Hang on, I'll cry.
	You saw it though, oh yeah oh, Jesus Christ Kotaku get, just get a grip to Tillo.
	What the hell are you doing?
	The sad thing is, I used to like Kotaku before they went full SJW, but no, I can't, I can't even read it.
	Embarrassing, it's just what he did.
	I mean that's coming in this week and stupid, that's probably going to be the, the penultimate, the ultimate article in it.
	Just uh, Kotaku going, and I keep going back.
	What kind of magazine shits on their own?
	I mean website magazine shits on their own.
	Fans, I mean well, ideologically driven ones, that's, the ones who think that they are for the greater good or something.
	Good point, yeah, just ah.
	But yeah, the whole thing, just I don't.
	I don't pisses me off so much, it's just cowardly.
	Um, someone in the comments just asking which video was the interview?
	Um, it will be on Total Biscuit's channel.
	Um, it's just him with um Totillo or I, I think it was Totillo, it was one of them.
	Um yeah, it was just him and Totillo, I think.
	Yeah yeah, yeah.
	And to tell her was just weaseling and tbb the link To the chat and the thing.
	Sorry, do they?
	TB was giving him the benefit of the doubt repeatedly as well.
	And it was just like, come on, Totello.
	You cannot be part of a corrupt culture.
	And everything he said was just to completely justify and validate and protect the culture of corruption.
	It was just like, you just.
	As long as he gets his swag, I guess it's all good.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, you know, Gorka.
	You know, I actually used to have a little respect for Totillo.
	I hate to throw him totally under the bus, but man, this guy.
	It's just the way he's acting.
	If he was to turn around and say, you know what, I made a lot of mistakes.
	What I was doing was completely wrong.
	And, you know, I've decided that this is in fact what I'm going to do.
	And I'm going to, for example, fire certain journalists who absolutely breach their ethical status.
	Well, anyone else's ethical standards.
	I mean, for example, what's his face?
	Nick Grayson, right?
	Oh, God.
	He actually did promote Robin Arnott's game on the website.
	They are buddies.
	They're mates.
	And that's, and it's obviously that's why.
	And it's like, fuck Zoe Quinn.
	They're mates in more ways than one.
	They both.
	They both share STDs.
	But that's the point.
	he actually did promote his friend's game on Kotaku's website.
	That is, there we go.
	There, there, There is him covering his friend's game.
	Boom, right there.
	Anna Rock Paper's shotgun.
	He was promoting that shit.
	Yeah, and Patricia Hernandez with Anna Anthropy and Patricia Hernandez.
	Why the fuck does she have a job anyway?
	But yeah, her and Anna Anthropy.
	This is why in the new year, what I'm going to do is get, literally just ask people, I'm going to create a video so people can just leave links on the video in the comments to just put a comment saying, look, this is the journalist of corruption.
	Here's the evidence of it.
	This is what the corruption was.
	And I'm just going to compile these into a giant fucking video or a series of videos.
	And it depends how many I get.
	I'm sure I'm probably going to get a few.
	Just video making, by the way, dude.
	Sorry?
	You're pretty fucking good at video making, by the way, dude.
	Thanks, man.
	It's not any kind of proficiency from a technical angle.
	It's more than I can do, man.
	That's all.
	I think it's just about condensing the information well.
	But yeah, what I'm going to do is just basically just point, you know, this is an example of corruption in these sites.
	And just so we can, if anyone's like, what are you talking about, jealous of corruption?
	We can just give them a list of actual breaches of ethical conduct.
	Just say, look, we're not talking shit.
	This has been happening for a long time.
	And I don't care how far back it goes.
	Get ones from the very beginning of all this, you know, the social justice warriors coming into it if you want.
	I really don't mind.
	But I really think that just a comprehensive list of, you know, these are the things that we need to, you know, that have gone on.
	So don't tell us that it's not about ethical standards and video game journalism because it fucking is.
	And that's my opinion anyway.
	It really pisses me off.
	It is about other things as well.
	Don't get me wrong.
	You know, other things are factors in it.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I want you to finish.
	No, I was just going to say, where is this dude that was crying about me blocking him last night?
	I don't know.
	Hang on.
	He's actually just messaged me back.
	I've sent him the link.
	Like, I'm not sure if people understand there's a difference between personally blogging someone and creating a block list that blocks tens of thousands of people.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm sure that they're aware.
	I'm sure that they.
	Well, they're acting like they're not aware.
	I'm sure that they...
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm trying to get away.
	I already had Nico a death blocked once because he's a fucking bitch.
	But sorry, I shouldn't say that.
	Maybe Argon.
	Sargon, but you know, he ruined the GG board.
	We all know the history there.
	And he's pretty much been crying about it ever since.
	Right, okay.
	I don't really know who that person is.
	Really?
	No, not really.
	What was the name?
	Nico of Death.
	Nico of Death.
	No, I don't know what they.
	What's on this?
	I'll find him.
	Yeah, what's you remember the original GG board on HN?
	I never use HN.
	What?
	I'm going to say, I don't use it a super lot, but I do go on there and peruse every once in a while.
	Let's see.
	I'm just too damn stupid to do it.
	It's not that hard, man.
	I thought I was, too, until Gamergate rolled around.
	I can't seem to keep up with the conversations, because it's all like, you know, you need to follow the numbers of the people.
	The letters.
	I mean, not the letters, but the numbers.
	It seems like.
	Yeah, it's tough for me.
	I'm old.
	I'm stupid.
	It is a little confusing.
	Alright.
	I've sent that guy a message saying.
	He ain't gonna show.
	So I'm happy to talk about whatever.
	He's happy to talk about because he's also got a beef there.
	Was he like wanting to get on this?
	I don't know.
	He didn't.
	I basically just followed him and just tweeted him.
	Okay, yeah, that's good.
	I guess everybody on Twitter saw this this morning.
	Let's see.
	Yeah, basically, Pterodax, I mean, not Pterodax, but, uh, Nico with death.
	Ha, ha.
	Nico a Death tweeted me after my article this morning and said, Ralph, you're spoiling children.
	Why are you spreading child porn?
	Even though I've taken all the links out and this and that.
	Just trying to start some bullshit.
	And then his.
	Okay, it seems Ty Frax is here.
	Uh-oh, Tyfax is here.
	Right, so before we go on, then, guys, obviously.
	Before we start, Merry Christmas, everyone.
	And to you, man.
	Merry Christmas.
	That is a good way to start.
	So, yeah, in the spirit of that, let's remember.
	We're going to keep it civil, okay?
	Because if you don't, I'm going to mute you.
	He will, too.
	I've seen him do it before.
	Well, yeah, absolutely.
	So, Ty Frax, did you want to What was your concern?
	My concern isn't really with Ralph himself.
	I mean, Ralph runs a tabloid, that's fine.
	I mean, I honestly don't give a fuck.
	I mean, there's like dozens of tabloids.
	The problem I have is like, it's about.
	They're not all based on video games, though.
	No, but it's like it's not even about your website.
	It's like the problem I have with it is, like, we're talking about child pornography, right?
	Am I still here?
	Okay.
	What we're talking about is right.
	And Gamergate is so big on the.
	Alright, if you see it, you don't download it.
	Because everyone's shitting on the guy who wrote it.
	Like, oh, look, he downloaded it.
	He's going to jail.
	The only thing and they say, like, the only thing you should do with it is report it to the police and look away.
	But then when Gamergate can use it, like, something like that, to shove it in, like, people who oppose it, their face, that's that's r that rubs me the wrong way, 'cause the only thing you should do with it is and I get it, like, tabloids, they want hits and shit, like, that's fine.
	But well, like, Gamergate's point.
	Hang on, hang on, Ralph.
	Gamergate's point has always been it's about ethics, it's about ethics.
	But like I'm not really sure if that's pretty ethical to use something like that and then turn around and say, ha ha, look at you antis, you're going to jail.
	Like something that serious.
	Ralph, what's your opinion on that?
	Okay, first off, I never said the antis were going to jail.
	That was a tweet from Rogue Star in the column.
	I don't know.
	I don't know whether they're going to jail or not.
	If I had to guess, no.
	But they're the ones that were disseminating it.
	I mean, I just all I'll link to was anything in my article.
	There's no links to any of the original posts.
	Everything's burnt out.
	Okay, I think what would be more helpful here is to tell us why you wrote the article.
	What was the point of you writing?
	Well, the reason of writing the article is pretty simple.
	It's to show anti-Gamergate is stopping to the lowest possible means to try to besmirch our character.
	Right, okay.
	So, I mean, that's really the only point of writing the article.
	Okay.
	Not trying to use child porn and to say using child porn for hits.
	Well, that's bullshit.
	Okay, okay.
	If I want to use somebody for hits, I would write about Brianna Wu or somebody else like that.
	I mean.
	Yeah, okay.
	Hang on a second.
	Okay, so Ty Frax, what do you think of that?
	I just feel like using like if they use it, that's their problem.
	Because these people are dumb as bricks.
	Agreed.
	They could call you a racist while in the same sentence calling you a white piece of trash.
	Hang on.
	That's how smart these people are.
	Okay, okay.
	So basically, what my question is then, is what's the issue with Ralph reporting on them doing something that I agree that I'm with you on this.
	I don't think Dan Olsen should have done that at all.
	I think he should have gone to the authorities.
	I don't think he should be trying to publicize this, especially with pictures that he has modified on his article.
	I think that's disgusting.
	So, I mean, Ralph, I think, agrees with that as well.
	And Ralph was reporting on Dan Olson's inappropriate actions and attempt to slander Gamergate and HM.
	So I kind of think that you're lumping Ralph in the same category as Dan Olsen here.
	No, it's fair.
	That's why I started off saying that the problem I have is not specifically with Ralph or what he writes about.
	The problem I have with it is that everyone else is using it as something to shove in people who oppose Gamergate's faces.
	Like, ha, look at you guys, look what you guys are doing.
	It looks like people don't understand what they're shoving into people's faces.
	I'm all for having a laugh on Twitter and stuff.
	I mean, people probably know that.
	But when you're talking about something as serious as child pornography, I'd rather everyone just not use that to tarnish either.
	I mean, you can look at the New York Post, you can look at any of the big newspapers, New York Daily News, they would run with this.
	This is nothing out of the ordinary.
	I mean I really don't see the and I'm not even a journalist anyway.
	Okay, so just to check in then.
	So what to be clear, Ralph, you're criticizing Dan Olson specifically.
	Well yeah, because he was fucking sending out all kinds of fucked up tweets at me.
	I'll have to look them up.
	No, no, I agree.
	I think what Dan Olsen's done there is a complete blunder.
	I think it's ridiculous.
	He should have just gone to the authorities like any sensible person should.
	And you don't include any links to any of his stuff in your article.
	No, there's no links in the article.
	Right, so Typhax, I agree that.
	By the way, I meant Typhax.
	Dan Olsen hadn't sent me shit.
	Yeah, sorry, yeah.
	Sorry.
	Okay, hang on.
	So, Tyfax, I agree with your position as well, which is not mutually contradictory to Ralph's, I don't think.
	Of the fact that what Dan Olson does only reflects on Dan Olsen.
	It's not ultimately, and I'm probably just as guilty.
	I tweeted, you know, there's no depths to which they won't stoop, but ultimately, it is Dan Olson as an individual who's done this.
	It's not anyone else in the anti-gamer camp that did this.
	So, ultimately, I think Dan Olson should be the one who takes the fall.
	But the difference here is that I don't think he's going to suffer any reprisals for what he did from the community he operates within.
	What do you think of that?
	I think you're right.
	But that doesn't mean people from Gamergate should use something as serious and as disgusting as that to be able to point at people who oppose Gamergate and look, look, all of you are supporting this because it's not true.
	I totally agree with you.
	Because it's not true.
	It's news, man.
	When the other side tries to use child pornography to slander us, it's news.
	You might not like the news, but it's fucking news.
	I don't know what you're doing right now.
	The other thing is that.
	I'm just telling you the truth.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Right, okay.
	So I think Ralph does have a point there.
	Do you think they would give us a pass?
	All right, Ralph, hang on, hang on.
	Right, Ralph's got a point.
	It's an event that occurred.
	It is technically news.
	And it's news about Dan Olson that's the issue, isn't it?
	Am I correct?
	Ralph?
	Who's the puppet guy who wrote anti-Gamergate from the fucking start?
	I mean, yeah, so it ties in.
	They don't give us courtesy when some anonymous troll attacks Brianna Wu and they say, oh, that's not Gamergate.
	No, this dude is anti-Gamergate to the core.
	No, no, that's true.
	Can I just add something?
	Yeah, the guy who wrote it, I don't know who it is.
	I'm not really interested to go check out what he writes.
	Not now.
	Well, you're not prepared.
	I mean, I don't know what to say.
	He wrote that puppet video.
	King of Paul showed it on his program if anybody cares to look it up.
	I'm not exactly a fan of King of Paul either, but that's not the point.
	The point is.
	No, it's for history.
	It has nothing to do with it.
	Yeah, that's what I wanted to make a point of, really.
	Is he the journalist, the guy who wrote the HN allegations?
	Is he a journalist?
	He's a commentator.
	So he's not a journalist.
	As far as I know, no.
	So why should Gamergate care?
	Well, because he's a commentator on Gamergate.
	Yeah.
	Why should we let unanswered allegations go?
	One at a time, guys.
	Why do they use it to point out ethics in video game journalism?
	Right, okay.
	That's my point.
	That's why I want people to stop using it as ammo.
	Because it's disgusting to use it as ammo.
	Well, do what you want to do, and I'll do what I want to do.
	I mean, that's not a problem.
	I think at worst, if you guys can't come to any sort of understanding on this, at worst, you can just block each other, can't you?
	Right, that's what I did.
	And then they tried to like.
	Well, no, I understand that, but it's, you know, I think that Ralph.
	Sorry, Moral, I've had to mute you, man, but I don't want everyone talking over each other.
	I think Ralph has a valid point.
	This is someone who is a vocal critic of Gamergate, a commentator who has an audience who is a vocal critic of GameGate, who is writing incredibly defamatory articles with the attempt of slandering the movement or the hashtag as a whole.
	And it really has backfired in his face.
	And I think it's completely legitimate for it to be on record in a news article like Ralph's, for example, because that's a source of reference for the future.
	I can pull up and say, look, this is something that someone from Anti-Gamergate did, and he did it without the condemnation of the anti-Gamergates group or community.
	And so this is something I can refer to in the future.
	But I agree with you that I don't think we should necessarily be attacking anti-Gamergates as an entity because, like we said, it was Dan Olsen as an individual acting on his own initiative.
	So I agree that it should only reflect necessarily on Dan Olsen.
	But that was pretty much my point.
	I mean, I tweeted it at Ralph because it was that that showed up on the timeline.
	But that's why I said, like, my issue is not exactly with Ralph or what he writes or what he writes about.
	It's the fact that people use that to show, ah, look how disgusting anti-Gamergate is, but it's not anti-Gamergate.
	It's just one idiot trying to get it.
	And he just happens to be on the anti-Game Gate fence.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	But even after the article from Ralph was, I mean, a couple of hours after, I still saw people tweeting it.
	But that's not Ralph's fault, is it?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	That's why I said it.
	It's not Ralph's fault.
	I get the feeling that you guys are kind of talking past each other a bit.
	And Ralph thinks that maybe you're attacking him directly.
	Am I even muted or what's going on here?
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I don't care, dude.
	It's whatever.
	Yeah.
	So one last thing, I don't even necessarily think there's necessarily a beef here.
	No, I mean, there's pretty clearly a beef, dude.
	This guy sat there on Twitter for like an hour and tried to run me down.
	Hey, I sit on Twitter all day.
	You totally fucking wealthy, don't you?
	Well, so do us.
	So, yeah.
	Is there no game that you could settle this on?
	You know, just go in there, fucking get each other's ass kicked, and then fucking call it a day.
	Fox only, Final Destination?
	No.
	I honestly don't give a fuck.
	No, no.
	But anyway, I'm going to have to call it a night because I have to go and do family things.
	But I just wanted to get out of the air because I think Typhox, I think you did have a valid point.
	I don't think it's fair necessarily to slander them all because of Dan Olsen's stupid actions.
	I mean, you know, I don't know what the fuck was going through his head, but it was fucking stupid, like almost everything that goes through Dan Olsen's head.
	And he's not responsible.
	No one else is responsible for what he's done.
	So I agree that you've got a really valid point.
	It's not fair for us to do to them what they are trying to do to us.
	It's just not fair.
	That's pretty much my point.
	I thought it was.
	I thought it was.
	But conversely, I don't think it's fair to blame Ralph for covering this as a news article, because I think that's a legitimate thing for him to have done.
	And it's a matter of public record then.
	And I think that's important as well.
	Yeah, man, I appreciate you having me on.
	I've stand by the headline and the article.
	I don't see any reason why you shouldn't.
	Yeah, but yeah, it was fun, though.
	Either way.
	I'm glad we could talk about this mature adults.
	Yeah.
	Responsible for what we say and what we do.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	Excellent.
	Okay, well thanks a lot for coming on, Ralph.
	Thanks a lot for coming and having the debate, Typhrax.
	I know it was a bit impromptu, but I really appreciate it.
	No problem, man.
	I'm really pleased with how everyone conducted themselves.
	It's been great.
	But, right, okay, I'm going to kick you guys out now.
	So take care.
	See ya.
	And on that note, I will be saying thank you very much to the chat for listening.
	And anyone else who managed to listen to this in the future and still gave a fuck.
	It's been really, really cool.
	And I really had a lot of fun.
	I always have a lot of fun doing these streams.
	So again, thanks.
	Big thanks to Curves for helping me with the public side because I just couldn't do it without him.
	And it's always nice to talk to a quote-unquote e-celeb afterwards, just to because they tend to be keeping up, they tend to be very forward on things that are going on.
	And I don't know, it's just, you know, just to hear them.
	I get to interrogate them, I guess.
	But yeah, thanks, guys.
	And if I can get some time tomorrow, Christmas Day, I will indeed tweet out a link to a quake game or some game that I'll be playing that I'll be in the server.
	And I'd love to get you guys on to kick my ass.
	So take care, everyone.

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