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Sept. 18, 2014 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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The 6oodfella and Sargon Show (18⧸09⧸2014)

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	Hello everyone, it's nice to have Goodfellow back and it's nice to be able to feel like I can talk more freely.
	Yes.
	You know, because it was an interview with someone I didn't know, I felt like I had to be very formal almost.
	And now I feel like I can just chill out, which is great.
	So I'm going to go get a cup of tea if you want to talk about anything to anyone.
	Okay, I'll talk about what she was talking about earlier on.
	Jesus Christ, man.
	I mean, she just...
	Sorry about my...
	Let me just sort the audio.
	It's coming through my headphones.
	And shut up.
	There we go, right.
	Anyway, as I was saying, she never fucking shut up, man.
	It was just, she didn't let Sarah go and get her word in, you know.
	Anyways, there was something she mentioned, right, later on in the video where she said that what are you just going to go into it blind?
	Are you not going to get an informed opinion?
	And it's like, but the informed opinion cannot be fucking trusted.
	It's been like that for years since before the internet on magazines.
	It's been like that for years.
	You can never trust someone who is paid to review anything.
	Movies, art, music, video games, it doesn't matter.
	They cannot be trusted because if I was a sleazy bastard, right, and I made a game, right, and I knew the game was shit, I still wanted to plug the game, I would go to as many of these people as possible to see who would take a payoff.
	I really would, because I'd be a sleazy bastard.
	And you try to tell me some game developers are not sleazy bastards.
	Don't trust any journalist.
	See, when it comes to video games, me personally, I like to go to user reviews, right?
	I'll check.
	I'll read what the game's about from the developers who write, do I like the sound of this game?
	If so, I'll look further into it and then I'll go to the user reviews.
	I never go to professional journalist reviews unless maybe that they've got an interview or something like that.
	Maybe I might be interested in.
	But other than that, no, I don't trust them.
	I just do not trust them.
	I mean, remember the Kanan Lynch article I sent you?
	I actually don't remember that.
	It was the one where the reviewer lost his job because he gave Kanan Lynch a bad review.
	This was a Game Spot.
	No, no, yeah, no, I did hear about this.
	I don't, I'm just like you.
	I actually never go to any of these websites.
	I literally just don't go to them because I'm just not really interested in a professional reviewer's opinion.
	I understand there are a lot of people that are, though, and that's fine, you know.
	But like you, exactly.
	The first thing I do is go to user reviews because they're the ones we trust.
	They're the ones we trust.
	Well, there a couple of weeks back, Civilization 5 was on sale on Steam.
	I don't play those types of games.
	The first thing I've done was asked you because I know you do play those types of games.
	Exactly.
	I can trust your opinion on it.
	You don't have anything to gain either way, tell them it's good or bad.
	That's what I do.
	But I wouldn't go to a professional journalist.
	Not a chance, man.
	Not a chance.
	They can't be trusted.
	Sorry, I'll come back to the moment.
	I think there are some that can.
	I know, I know, I know.
	But anyhow, you see, this is actually what pisses me off the most about Jim Sterling, right?
	Is that he is very much against the idea of the AAA developers taking advantage of their customers.
	And I really respect that.
	He really does come from a very strident position, and he fights the good fight on that front.
	Who is that?
	Who does he work for?
	He works for the escapist.
	Right, okay.
	Okay.
	I think I wasn't aware of him before he came on the escapist, but I think he basically made his name with that kind of investigative journalism.
	And he does the good job.
	He is good at that.
	And so I'm actually not innately adverse to listening to his opinion, but that's only because I know what to look for when he starts going off the rails.
	I swear, I think that he would probably enjoy not having to deal with social justice.
	I get the feeling that I don't think he's one of the prime people peddling it.
	I think he's just kind of peer-pressured into it.
	I mean, maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
	But that's just the impression I get, you know.
	See, regarding the whole Zoe Quinn incident, right?
	As I said to you earlier, I'm not an expert in all this gamergate and all that.
	I'm just not, right?
	Because again, I don't take these people seriously.
	So I knew that I've always known they were corrupt.
	I've always known this.
	But in that whole situation, I'm appalled and disgusted at the men, not her.
	She took advantage of weak men who can be manipulated by a bit of pussy.
	It's pathetic.
	It's absolutely pathetic beyond belief.
	Please be unprofessional and you get a bit of pussy and they do it.
	They allow a woman to manipulate them.
	And it's just that I think every one of them are mugs, sleas, you know, but I'm actually not annoyed at her.
	She just took advantage of Simps.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised.
	I think that the character of her, her character is just exactly that kind of person.
	You know, I would not be surprised.
	But the thing is, their character is exactly those sort of people.
	They're all the same sort of people.
	And it really pissed me off.
	And someone in the comments for Chipman's worst than something is like, yeah, Bob Chipman is just the worst.
	I fucking hate Bob Chipman.
	I don't know a lot of these names because I don't know.
	Is he a reviewer?
	Is he a journalist?
	Is it a serious mean?
	I said, I don't know his name because I wouldn't even bother reading their stuff.
	I wouldn't even bother with it.
	You would fucking hate him.
	Honestly, you absolutely would.
	And he's such a bigot against white men and masculinity because he was bullied at school.
	And, you know, now anybody.
	Is he white?
	Is he white?
	Oh, yeah, he's like a big fat white guy.
	And he got bullied at school, and now he hates masculinity.
	And it's like, yeah, okay.
	Bob, I hate to tell you this, but not everyone's like that who's masculine.
	But yeah, he's just a fucking nightmare.
	Some of the shit about games are concerned about the gender or the sex or anything in a game.
	I just don't get that at all.
	I really don't know.
	It doesn't make sense to me, man.
	Most of the things I play in games are non-human.
	Yes.
	I don't care.
	Or I'm playing Run Total War or I'm playing Crusader Kings or something.
	And it's just like, individuals.
	I don't give a fuck about individuals.
	I give a fuck about where my thousand Roman soldiers have just gone.
	Stuff like that.
	It's like, oh, but there are no women.
	Who cares?
	So that's just.
	I always keep thinking the same thing when they see something like this.
	So?
	You know?
	So?
	Who cares, man?
	Just if Liana's listening to this, and I just want people to understand that I'm going to criticise her, but not her personally.
	Because personally, I thought she was actually, no, I did think she was actually a very nice person, but I'd like to analyse just the position she was coming from, really.
	And it was her surprise when I said that I didn't think game journalists were necessary, really.
	And, you know, who's going to tell you whether the AAA developers are screwing you or not?
	It's like, we'll figure that out for ourselves.
	That guy T, you're a wanker.
	Sorry.
	But yeah, it was one of those things where I was just like, and her surprise, it's the concept that what they do is just, I mean, they're propagandists and they're not necessary.
	And things, I don't think she would be like that.
	She really didn't strike me as an ideologue.
	So I really think that she would actually probably do a much more responsible job than they have.
	Well, I don't mean to be rude, but she was nice.
	But as I say, they're always nice.
	But that doesn't mean what they're saying is nice, you know.
	No, that's just, I don't fall for that shit, that nice shit.
	I don't fall for it, man.
	Women pull that all the time, and I don't fall for it.
	No, I don't.
	She can be as nice as she wants.
	She's still talking shit.
	She did make a lot of sense in her Anita Sarkeesian video.
	She was pointing out good things and that.
	But on that hangout, you just done where she's fucking never shot, man.
	It's just way off topic, talking about something else.
	Yeah, I try not to be impolite as well, because if someone's coming on my channel, of course.
	So, you know, I can't.
	But that was the thing.
	It was like I don't think she understood quite why these things were happening.
	You know, they understand that they understand that there's something going on that they don't have control of.
	But it really is a sort of just they talk from a position as if they have this kind of mandate to do what they're doing.
	As if they have a right to change things.
	As if someone voted for them.
	I'm trying to explain to them that, look, right, if you guys all disappeared tomorrow, not necessarily Liana, but the group of the ideologues, if they all disappeared tomorrow and Kataka and all that shut down, gamers would survive.
	They'd figure things out.
	And it would be a grassroots sort of thing.
	They aren't necessary and they don't have the authority or power to do what they think that they should be doing.
	But they think they do.
	And so it's just like, right, okay, this is where we're kind of, you know, you guys can go over there and talk about social justice games.
	And you can do those things you want to do, but just leave everyone else alone.
	But these people are always paying the ass wherever they go.
	And what they do is right is they go into a pastime.
	They're not really that interested in that pastime, but it is quite popular.
	So they want to see what it's all about.
	They go into it, they don't like it, and then they go, right, everything has to change so that I like this pastime.
	And that's why people who actually like the pastime are saying, oh, fuck off.
	Not just in everything for you.
	If you don't like it, piss off.
	They always want to change fucking everything, man.
	Everything to suit themselves.
	The most selfish people on earth, man.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It's one of the things that drives me up the fucking wall.
	It's that, you know, just, yeah, just fuck, you know, I just want them to go away, to be honest.
	I don't care what they do.
	Just leave me alone and the things I like alone.
	You know, that's all I want.
	And then they can do whatever they want.
	They can review Gone Home 10 out of 10, you know, depression questions.
	End of the year.
	That's fine.
	But just, you know, in the same way that I don't care what Fox News are saying, they can say they like because they're them, you know, and it's got to be.
	It's good that they're there because it's fun to take the piss out of them, you know?
	Yeah, yeah, that's true.
	See, see, that guy T said he's never had anyone called a wanker before.
	I just want to say, see, Elliot today, right?
	I just think you'll like this saga, and this is quite a funny one.
	This guy, he's obviously heard this before, but he's not British, right?
	So he thought it was an insult.
	And he said he called me the dog's bollocks as an insult.
	It was beautiful.
	I just went, thanks very much.
	It's supposed to be an insult.
	He's gone, see this dog's bollocks here.
	And it's like, no, thanks very much.
	Oh, bro.
	So Scotland, Scottish elections is our country doomed?
	I think it's going to be yes, even though I'm in a no camp.
	I think so.
	I think it's going to be yes.
	And I hope I'm wrong.
	But then I think that comes from the yes crowd seem to be a lot louder and they're making a lot more noise.
	But then when you think about it, the no crowd aren't really demanding any changes.
	So I suppose the yes crowd have to be louder because they're the ones who want changes.
	So I still don't know.
	And the news are saying they predict it's going to be close, but I'm not going to listen to those people.
	You know what I mean?
	We're not going to know until it's counted.
	Yeah, that's all I've been seeing in practically every channel I'm subscribed to and all the news sites is the yes seems to be very much like just yeah, like you say, just just.
	They are the, they are the voice.
	Really, I wasn't seeing any particularly strong no opinions and well, I think a lot of that as well comes from it's the no camp.
	I'm in it, so I know they're the ones that get the insults and abuse a lot more because they're getting called traitors and, you know, Tory lovers and all this kind of stuff.
	You know it's pathetic, it's fucking, but it it it's a lot honestly, up here, I swear to God, it's embarrassing man, that there's a lot of Anti-Englishness right, and I don't like that right, and but I heard earlier on I didn't see it, so this was just on Facebook.
	Somebody mentioned it to me that there was somebody burning a union jack.
	Do you know what I mean?
	And it's like, come on, that is not what we're about up here.
	What the fuck man it's fucking saying?
	It really annoys me man, really annoys me man.
	But it's just like there's a lot of hatred, you know, and there's a lot of banter.
	I'm part of that.
	I'll wind up the English if there's any football on, no problem.
	But absolutely years ago wasn't it the World Cup when they had, like anyone but England t-shirt?
	I actually thought that was hilarious.
	I think that's awesome.
	You know, you guys can play that if you want to.
	It's funny.
	Sometimes it can be a bit pathetic as well.
	You know, it's an inferiority complex.
	Oh, as long as England don't win.
	To me, that's an inferiority complex in a way, you know, in a way.
	But I was thinking as well, right?
	Another thing that I noticed, and it just, I don't know if you agree with me here, right?
	You're English, right?
	So see if you agree with me on this, right?
	I can walk along the street and I can wave a Scotland flag in front of the entire world's media and I can say I'm happy to be Scottish.
	Scotland's the greatest country on earth.
	I'm proud to be Scottish.
	And nobody bats an eyelid.
	But if you'd done that with your England flag, you would be called a racist, a bigot, a troublemaker.
	And it's fucking shit.
	It's not right.
	It's absolutely not fucking right.
	And that's something that bugs me as well.
	Even though I'm not English, I wouldn't wave an England flag, but still.
	Yeah, it is something that really.
	I mean.
	Hang on.
	It's a tragedy, I think, more than anything.
	It's sad.
	It's just fucking sad because the English have got a lot to be proud of.
	And that's the thing.
	And people that are like, oh, slavery and all that.
	Yeah, but the English ended slavery.
	They fucking forced to make a move to stop it.
	Christ.
	But I just don't.
	I don't like the double standards and that, you know, like, as I say, with the England flag and the Scotland flag, same scenario, but you'd be called a bigot.
	I'd be called proud.
	But I think it's because England, right, I think is seen worldwide as like the centre of whiteness and white people are not allowed to be proud of, you know what I mean?
	Do you know what I mean?
	It's like, right, you know, that's where white people, you know, and that's that's what I think.
	And I may be wrong on that, but that's just what I guess.
	I think that that might be, you know, subliminal at least, you know, a point.
	The English are pretty fucking pasty.
	But they're always the baddies as well.
	The English make the best baddies, you know, in films, you know, British just.
	Oh, yeah, hell yeah.
	You can see them as evil for some reason easier than you can see anyone else.
	It's just strange.
	I imagine if they make films in like Egypt or Arabia, then the Americans are probably the bad guys in those.
	Maybe, but then in Asia, when the Chinese have got a bad guy, they're often English, very English.
	Oh, I got it.
	And a lot of kung fu movies and that, they're, you know, I think in Russia War 1, 2 and 3, there was only one English guy in the whole three films, but he was the baddie in everyone, you know, it's fucking unreal.
	Yeah, I mean, it's got to be like a cultural legacy of the British Empire.
	But it's because, as English people, right, you don't cry like little bitches when you watch a TV show or a film and the English guy is the bad guy.
	You don't sit there and go, oh, hang on a fucking minute.
	This is terrible.
	This is racist.
	That's why I think it is.
	You're a target that I'm not going to complain about the representations everybody else would, including Scottish people.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true.
	Yeah, they probably would.
	I think it's honestly, I think it's because of England's history.
	I think that England has been on top for a long time.
	And I mean, I'm not saying this from a nationalistic point of view either.
	I'm really saying this from sort of like a historian's point of view.
	I've got a friend, or I had a friend a few years ago.
	She was Italian, and she was always like, oh, my dad was always like, if he wasn't born Italian, he'd want to be born English.
	Because he just looked at the things the English have done all throughout their history and been like, wow, that's fucking amazing.
	There's a reason that English is the language of the world, you know.
	And so it's hard to feel like anyone is better than you.
	Even if the Americans have got all the guns and bombs in the world, you know.
	They don't have the history.
	Exactly.
	We're still better than them.
	You know, everyone always has that kind of cultural inferiority.
	And it's not a good or a bad thing.
	It's just something that exists, and, you know, it's, you know, I'm not...
	You know, I don't think there's anything particularly nefarious about it.
	So I'm actually quite comfortable with seeing English people as the bad guys.
	It just makes me think, yeah, you better fucking watch out.
	You better recognise.
	Exactly, yeah.
	One day we'll fucking realise that you guys need to be taught another lesson.
	Zante or is it Zante just asked me a question saying if it was a yes vote, what would have to happen for me to leave Scotland?
	But I wouldn't leave.
	I wouldn't leave Scotland.
	I probably wouldn't even leave my city, actually.
	I'd rather stay and make it better.
	You know what I mean?
	I think that's a great attitude to have.
	Be the change you want to see.
	I've got a question for you, though.
	The yes people are very passionate about all this.
	What do they think England has done to Scotland to warrant the passion that they have to leave?
	Well, there is the one best example they have is the poll tax one.
	That's a good one, right?
	Because Scotland got the poll tax for a full year before anyone else in Britain.
	Right.
	Which is clearly unfair.
	By the way, see David Cameron, and I don't know if anybody knows this, but you know he apologised for that.
	I don't know if you know that.
	No, I didn't.
	See when he first became Prime Minister, or maybe it was actually when he first became leader of the Conservative Party.
	He apologised to Scotland for that bull tax.
	He said that was out of order.
	Just thought I'd mention that.
	That's an interesting point because, I mean, he's right, you know, it was.
	See, because that happened, and that was the Tories that done that, right?
	Again, it's the up here.
	I made a comparison the other week to somebody that were very much like, you know, like a black ghetto in America, right?
	You know, the way they're not allowed to like the Republicans.
	Right?
	But they blame the Republicans for everything, right?
	Everything bad, right?
	Well, that's what Scotland's like.
	You're not allowed to like the Tories, right?
	And, you know, but you can blame them for everything.
	Even if Labour had been in power for 14 fucking years, you can still turn in and go, aye, but it was because of the Tories beforehand.
	And I've heard that happen.
	I've witnessed it happen.
	It's pathetic.
	There's just a hatred for the Tories.
	So much so that a lot of the yes people are stupidly saying vote yes to sack the Tories.
	Well if you want to sack the Tories don't fucking vote for them.
	One man, one vote.
	That's how you get rid of a political party.
	You can have the option.
	Don't change the rules so that they can't possibly enter the competition.
	It's fucking ridiculous, man.
	But something I would never do is rule it.
	See, I don't side with any political party, right?
	All of them can get my vote if they put forward the right policies, right?
	I would never say, oh, I would never vote Tory, because then that's saying to the Tories, there's no point in making any policies I'll be interested in.
	Whereas I would vote Tory if they put forward policies that I agreed with, you know?
	But there's a lot of people up here that don't think like that.
	And it's very tribal.
	Yes, it's very annoying.
	I don't believe anybody should fight their parents' or grandparents' fight.
	You get get your own battles, you know.
	I don't want my son fighting my battles, he can get his own battles.
	But that's what this is.
	It's going away back in history, you know.
	And it does, like you say, it gets sort of tribal, and it's just being a history buff, I'm looking at it thinking, well, it just seems to have been entirely in Scotland's favour.
	In fact, the Union itself.
	I mean, someone pointed out on the video that the Union isn't necessary anymore, and he's right, you know, it isn't.
	And because the whole point was the reason Scotland joined the Union is to make sure that they have access to international markets through the English colonies.
	But even whether you believe in God, right, or Mother Nature, right?
	I believe in Mother Nature.
	Even they have made it clear that Scotland and England should be together.
	Do you know what I mean by that?
	I mean, it's just.
	But then another thing as well I wanted to point out is I think a lot of this anti-English thing is actually anti-London.
	You just say England because the Geordies, the Loverpuddlings, the Mancunians are very much like Scottish people, I think.
	I believe that anyway.
	People in the north are very much like Scotland, in my opinion.
	They're like Scottish people, in my opinion.
	And they don't necessarily like the Tories, you know?
	No, well, that's the thing.
	I mean, there are a lot of people who don't like the Tories.
	Down here, there are some significant, especially among the lower classes, they very much don't like the Tories.
	You know, it's amazing that the Tories have got any votes at all, you know.
	And I really think that if Britain was assisted in London...
	I mean, they had to get any votes at all in Scotland.
	Yeah.
	Hardly any at all.
	It's just the way it is, you know.
	Yeah, but that's the thing.
	It's about classism rather than regionalism.
	Probably, yes, probably with them, yes.
	You know, because it's only wealthy people who give a fuck about the Tories, just like in America with the Republicans, you know.
	Do you think, though, I don't know about that?
	I don't know.
	When I say wealthy, I mean middle class and up.
	Again, I don't know what I consider myself actually.
	I stay in the East End of Glasgow, so I'm certainly not in the high earners, but as I say, I wouldn't rule out anybody if they put forward the policies I agreed with.
	Nobody gets a vote, nobody interests me.
	I don't waste my vote on anybody.
	Not anybody.
	I'm actually against the party political system these days.
	I actually think that we have the technology to do better than something we use to change the century.
	I don't think political parties are very productive anymore.
	They were good when communication was difficult.
	They were good when you were ruling a globe-spanning empire because you needed a united view.
	But we're in a different world now.
	We're in a completely different world.
	So every man's just an individual then, basically, or every woman?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yes, rather than there's no party, it's just everybody comes forward.
	I'm not with a party, here's my policies.
	Exactly.
	They need to have backing.
	They'd need to have other people who agree with them, surely.
	Well, then they'd become a party.
	I'm not even like, I mean, this is just me talking shit, but I would be interested.
	I haven't thought about this and any like thought this out properly, so don't people go, oh my god, this wouldn't work because this.
	It's like, yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of reasons it wouldn't work.
	But I would, I think I'd rather see people standing for positions, you know, and I, instead of having like a shadow cabinet, having like shadow ministers for positions, maybe, rather than the sort of overarching political affiliations because, you know I I I, the problem with that is that you might have people who are more moderate in some areas, um of the say, the conservative party,
	who get just wildly overruled by the status quo of the, the conservative party and the whip, and so you know they they, they don't, you know they people might be voting for that person to do a specific job, or you know, they might want that person's influence, but they might not have that much.
	And you know, if I, there are some areas that i'd like more left, we left leaning people to be in charge, and there are some areas that i'd prefer more maybe right, leaning people to be in charge.
	Well, that's what I mean I. That's why I don't side with anybody, because I don't agree with everything one side says and I don't disagree with everything the other side says.
	So, but can you click on that link I sent through the hangout?
	Sorry I haven't.
	I'll just have a look at that, just see if we could put that up to show them this.
	Um yeah, hang on talking about this.
	You know I thought this might interest them.
	Um right, I think, women of Britain, let's form our own feminist party.
	Sweden's feminist initiative has shown us how to make male dominated, middle-class Westminster work for women.
	Wouldn't that be great.
	I just we're gonna turn into fucking Sweden.
	When our children and grandchildren look back at the Sun's page three that's women every more, every morning in the SUN page three with our tits out every morning, for I have no doubt it's days are numbered why they'll see it in much the same way as we watch casual sexism and Mad Men.
	Now it will seem embarrassingly anachronistic.
	But then what will seem embarrassingly anachronistic?
	Women being allowed to be glamour models and earn a lot of money.
	I mean, how the fuck is?
	What's so wrong with us?
	I don't.
	Well, I tell you one thing that pisses me off right, is that?
	Well, maybe this is me being a total chauvinist, but I watched Mad Men and I really didn't think it was actually that sexist.
	I never, I never watched that.
	But I I think that the idea is it was slapping the ass, hey toots, things like that.
	Is that the idea?
	I never really saw that happen.
	On the episodes that I'm watching, I only watched, I think, maybe four or five at the most, but that's how they exact, that's what they exaggerated.
	Exactly that too though, isn't it?
	Yeah, that's how they present it, but it it just wasn't like that when I was watching.
	I mean, it was more about like Don Draper's like degeneration as a person.
	I mean, these were only like a few episodes towards the end of the the series I think that I was watching, but it was.
	I mean, Don Draper was an interesting character, and he wasn't like I don't know it.
	Just, it just didn't strike me as especially sexist.
	I mean, obviously I'm not feminist, so of course they'll find something.
	They've got to.
	They've got to find something.
	You can name any anything at all right, and you can find something that will offend women about.
	It doesn't even matter.
	It doesn't even matter what you pick, transformers how come there's not a lot of female transformers?
	Boom.
	How come they don't transform into vibrators?
	Boom.
	It's just.
	There's always fucking something, and it's just, and every time they speak, I'm always the same like, so why do you fucking care so much?
	Why does it?
	Oh, this is fucking unreal, man.
	Yeah, I bet.
	I bet this just gets better, doesn't it?
	Do you want to carry on with it?
	Uh, wait also.
	I closed that page out.
	Let me just get that back on.
	Uh, It's just.
	It's ridiculous, though.
	What this should tell us and remind us is that society doesn't progress on its own.
	Equal rights are achieved when those who are denied them organise and take power because women are denied equal rights.
	Tired of this shit, man.
	The paragraph above, hang on.
	I know this because it's embarrassingly anachronistic now.
	It exists in an era where women build and fly planes, debate in the UN, run businesses, and generally demonstrate they're more than the sum of their parts.
	Build and fly planes?
	I mean, do women build planes?
	How often do women build planes?
	Well, I'm sure there are some women that help to put them together.
	They're sure there's some that work on it and do that.
	And that should be the case anyway.
	They should be able to do it.
	I don't see how that means women who do page three.
	Because the thing is, not all women, especially when you think of page three models, not all women have what it takes to become engineers.
	The same way not all men have what it takes to become engineers.
	So, and there's a lot of men who make money taking their clothes off.
	Doesn't seem to be any noise about that.
	Why do you never hear men complaining about this?
	Because we're not a bunch of fucking crybabies and we don't want to be treated like fucking children.
	That's why we don't cry about it.
	Yeah, it's really bizarre.
	I've always found it really weird how they seem to be able to envisage themselves being that woman instantly.
	You know, as soon as something happens to a woman and someone says, oh, women think this, or this happened to women, and it's just like they take it very personally.
	And when someone says, oh, yeah, you know, this happened to a man, I just think, well, that poor fucking guy, or I laugh, or whatever.
	You know, I don't think of it as being me because I'm confident in my ability to make different life choices.
	So that doesn't end up being me.
	And it's only if it was like some sort of giant natural disaster that I'd get worried or something.
	If I'm watching something like Everybody Loves Raymond, do you ever watch that?
	I know of it.
	I think I might have watched an episode or two.
	When I'm watching that, right, and I see Raymond, the character, right, being emasculated by his wife, and his wife's slapping him and telling him what to do and bossing them around.
	I think, hey, that's a representation of me.
	I think that's a representation of a fucking simp.
	That's not me.
	I wouldn't fucking put up with that shit.
	But women are different.
	They would look at that if that was a woman being treated like that as if.
	But if that was a woman being treated like that on a comedy, a lot of women would go, hey, why do you represent women like that?
	It's just, I don't know, I don't know.
	A lot of women seem to have this mentality where if you say something about one woman, you're saying it about them all.
	Yeah.
	And men don't seem to have that.
	That's exactly it.
	You know, like, yeah, like you're saying, you know, if, you know, that's not a representation of me, that's a representation of him.
	That's how I feel about that.
	It's that guy.
	It's not me.
	And if it was me, I'd be taking a completely different action to this guy.
	Have you seen there's a.
	Do you watch Firefly?
	I imagine there are probably a bunch of people.
	No, I don't, but I heard it said.
	I know that because Sheldon keeps talking about it in the Big Bang Theory.
	Apparently, it only had one series, according to him.
	Yeah, it did, and it was a very good series.
	I tell you, Joss Whedon.
	There's another film.
	There was a film, wasn't there?
	There was a film, but I wasn't.
	I thought the film was not nearly as good as the series.
	But that's probably controversial, I don't know.
	But the thing is, right, Joss Whedon's an interesting animal because I like a lot of Joss Whedon's stuff.
	I'm a big fan of Buffy.
	Spike is just the most amazing character.
	I love him.
	Is he the director or writer of these things?
	I think he might have been both.
	It was his brainchild.
	He's responsible for it.
	Firefly.
	And he does write strong women, but he doesn't write bitchy women.
	I mean, he does when he wants to, but not all of the women are complete bitches.
	And one of the things there was this Firefly fan film where it was set in the same universe and it was just, you know, a different ship with a different crew.
	And it's, you know, it's a fan thing.
	And I can see why they like it.
	But off the bat, just off the bat, you can see that the people who wrote it were social justice warriors because the women were just total bitches.
	Total bitches.
	And the men were complete simpering twats.
	And they must have been a rapist.
	One of them must have been a rapist, surely.
	Well, one of those women was probably a rapist.
	And the thing is, they're doing their best to be the sort of strong, independent woman that the social justice warriors think that they should be.
	And it's just, it's not representative of a strong person.
	It just comes across as a person who's deeply insecure trying to give a very prickly outside to make sure that no one comes too close.
	Because if you probe them slightly, then they'll just collapse into themselves and start crying.
	They didn't seem like strong people.
	They seem like deeply insecure people, which is why they're being total bitches all the time.
	And it just really annoyed me that the men in inverted commas in it were just such pussies.
	And I was the guys, the guy's this captain of the ship.
	And this woman's just macking him off completely.
	And I'm just like, mate, just tell her to shut the fuck up.
	You're the captain.
	You have the authority to say, shut up and get to the fucking station away.
	But the whole thing was just so simpering.
	And I couldn't stand it.
	I was grinding my teeth watching this thing.
	It's the last thing, the last thing as well that women would really want from men is for them to be like that.
	I mean, it's, I mean, I don't mean, you know, slap women about or anything, right?
	But they do appreciate you putting your foot down when enough is enough.
	You know, when you need to put your foot down, say, right, fucking enough, God's sake.
	But these simps, they don't do that.
	And so these women know that they can just manipulate them and bully them and, you know, into promoting their games.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, it just really drove me crazy watching it.
	Sorry, did you want to carry on with the article?
	It's just that you know what it is anyway.
	I think I was saying, this is something about us, the Scots.
	The UK's most significant constitutional reform for 300 years may come about this week.
	I say the Scots shouldn't be the only ones who have their fun.
	It's no fun.
	Women of Britain, it's time for us to follow Sweden's example by forming our own party to represent our interests in government.
	You see, it says women of Britain, and it says, form our own party to represent our interests in government.
	You see what they do?
	What they do is they say that all women are identical.
	They all have the same thoughts.
	They all have the same opinions.
	They all have the same wants, interests, needs, desires.
	I mean, it's so fucking insulting.
	And it's coming from a woman, isn't it?
	It's coming from a fucking woman, Ellie Mae O'Hagan.
	And she's saying women need a political party.
	Well, why would that, where the fuck does this mentality come from?
	That because it's a bunch of women, they're going to look out for other women.
	Then none of these women remember secondary school or high school.
	I mean, women do not stick by each other.
	They never stick by each other.
	And another thing as well, right?
	I've made this point before, but I'll say it again.
	See if a woman goes into politics, right, and she looks out for women, then she's not a good politician, she's a fucking bigot.
	She's supposed to represent the electorate, not just uh the electorate that were in the born in the same demographic as her.
	That makes her a bigot.
	That's the me becoming a politician and going, right, I'll be looking out for white guys.
	I mean, it's just not fucking right.
	I would be seen as a bigot, and everybody would call me a bigot.
	So this woman saying we should have a feminist party, she's a bigot because she's saying it's for women.
	As if it's just all great because it's all women.
	All us girls will just get together, you know, and we'll sort out this country.
	Fuck off, man.
	What annoys me the most about this, though?
	I mean, that is everything you've said is exactly true.
	They're complete bigots.
	But the idea that the idea that they don't understand what leadership is, and what it is to rule, you know, they just have no idea.
	It's not about elevating one over another.
	It's about servicing the needs of as many people as you can without and at the same time alienating as few people as you can.
	And what they're directly saying is, look, you know what?
	When we get into power, guys can go fucking hang themselves.
	It doesn't matter.
	We just don't give a fuck.
	But women, they're going to have a wonderful time.
	And it's, I mean, there are going to be women who are against that concept.
	Egalitarian women who are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck are you talking about?
	You know, why would you do that?
	You know, I've got a son that I love.
	You know, I'm not a bigot like you.
	You know, and there are going to be plenty.
	But the thing is, they need to really start making their voices heard because otherwise, you know, I mean, look what's happened to Sweden.
	Yes, I agree with that.
	I hold women responsible.
	They should be speaking up more and saying enough of this shit.
	Stop putting me in the same fucking box as everybody else.
	You know, that happens to be of the same sex as me.
	It's like, oh, all women watching this right now can hear this.
	I mean, have you never had thinking all the people in your life that have given you shit?
	Unnecessary shit.
	How many of them were women and how many of them were men?
	I mean, there's no fucking way you can tell me more men.
	That reminds me, actually, right?
	I had to stay over at my nan's this weekend and it was really interesting because I've had a bunch of conversations with my nan and my nan is basically an MRA, but she doesn't know it because she's like 80 years old and she's never heard of an MRA.
	But she's strangely anti-woman.
	You know, she's just like women, she just screws up her face.
	It's like, no, they're just very bitchy.
	And she doesn't really have that much time for them.
	But she cares a lot about men because the men in her life have been very good to her, you know?
	And it's very interesting that the majority of the negative experiences she's had with other people have been with women and therefore she's like, women, to be honest, they're all the same.
	I'm a woman.
	I know what they're like.
	You know, men just aren't like that.
	And I kind of prefer them.
	It's just like, you know, a lot of mothers warn their sons, you know.
	A lot of mothers will say to their sons, no, you watch women, you know, they're not as weak as they make out.
	And, you know.
	Yeah, they're cunning.
	They can be cunning.
	I put them above men when it comes to manipulation.
	They're absolutely grand masters at manipulation.
	As I say, you'd have to be a simp to be manipulated by sex, but they've still got other ways of manipulating.
	One of the classic ways of manipulating men, and it needs to stop working men, is shaming language.
	You're not a real man.
	If you don't do specifically what I want you to do, you're not a real man.
	And a lot of men, you know, take this shit in.
	You know, they think their approval should come from women thinking how manly they are.
	The only good response to that is to just shrug and say so.
	You know, you're not you're not this, so you should be ashamed because of this.
	Shrug and go with that.
	Every time I see it, I point out to them that uh every single adult male is a real man.
	You no woman has any say in what makes a real man.
	None of them have a say in it.
	It's very simple.
	A real woman is an adult female, a real man is an adult male.
	Actually, I'd like to contest that because I actually think that man and woman and male and female are different things.
	I think that they're descriptors of action rather than descriptions of state.
	Like an adult male and adult female like sex and gender, is that what you mean?
	Yeah, that's basically sex and gender, right?
	Yeah, because if you think about it, like think about these social justice warriors just because th they're convenient.
	None of these fucking guys are men.
	You know, they're not men.
	They don't take responsibility.
	I know you mean the real man.
	I know you mean I know what you're saying.
	But none of these feminists are women.
	You know, very few of them, because these gender things, if you think about what a woman does, she looks after other people.
	What a man does, he looks after other people.
	He puts others before himself.
	She puts others before herself.
	These are just terms for being an adult.
	And I think that these kids, the people in the press and stuff, they don't know.
	They're never going to mature.
	They're never going to become adults.
	They're never going to put other people before themselves.
	And they're always going to be in this kind of infantilised state, I think, their whole lives.
	I really think so.
	It's not just the whole lives, it's when it's convenient.
	That's what annoys me.
	You know what I mean?
	If women want to be treated like unaccountable children, sure, I'll do that.
	But that means I'll also do it when they're being professional.
	I won't take them seriously.
	It cuts both ways.
	They cannot have it fucking both ways.
	I'll give you an example, right?
	Colleen Noir, right?
	I don't know if you know him on YouTube.
	He's NRA, right?
	He's pro-gun, right?
	I'm pro-gun as well, by the way.
	And he made a video the other day and he said that Ray Rice was a coward, right?
	So I then made a comment and basically said that if somebody shoots me twice with a small pistol and all I have is a shotgun, can I shoot them back?
	Is it the right course of action?
	Basically making the comparison that she slapped him twice, she's weaker.
	He hit her once, he's stronger.
	So let's say small pistol, shotgun, right?
	Now, there's hundreds of replies to this comment, right?
	And the majority of people are saying, yes, you have to shoot that person back, but yet the same actions with human and physical contact makes the man a coward.
	But yet, how does it, you know, so the ones see the ones that knew what I was doing making the analogy, they then tried to defend their side and see the comparisons they make with women.
	It is so insulting, right?
	But yet not one woman says anything about it.
	Like one guy says to me, because I said the woman was like a small pistol and the man was like a shotgun, he then came back and says, well, no, to be more accurate, she's like a nerf gun and he's like a shotgun.
	Now, to me, that's so insulting to women.
	As if if a woman puts her mind to it to hurt somebody, she can't do it.
	Why are you not giving women some credit?
	You know?
	Yeah, I mean there are a lot of there I mean you know I've spoken to guys who have have been you know beaten bloody by their the women and you know it's it's not that women aren't capable I think more that most women aren't capable.
	I think every capable adult is capable of causing serious harm to another adult with without any weapons.
	I believe that anyway maybe that probably is true.
	If you go on World Star hip hop and I've seen a few myself women can be vicious, like seriously vicious scratching clawing fucking spitting, all sorts of shit.
	Man, women can be vicious.
	And I mean, if a woman comes at you and tries to claw your fucking eyes out, you know, but people would think you were a coward.
	If you hit her and it's like she's coming at you with the nails and shit, what are you supposed to do?
	Why would I be the coward in that situation?
	I mean, it's so unfair on men that we have to have that and we get it.
	It's not just women, we get it from fucking simps as well.
	All the time.
	You know, oh no, you must never hit a woman.
	You must never hold women to the same standards.
	You hold men sexist bastards man, absolutely sexist bastards.
	But yet it's why they're called sexist.
	Yeah well, that it's it's.
	The thing is right that both both, both perspectives, I think are rooted in a truth, you know, but it's not a universal truth, it's a very subjective truth.
	The, for example, like our position, because I do agree with you on this.
	I do agree with you if and and and Whoopi Goldberg, I think, said it best, if you could.
	If you're gonna, if you're man enough to throw a punch, you're man enough to take a punch.
	Yes, and I totally agree with that.
	If you're gonna start some violence, don't be surprised when you get the living shit beaten out of you.
	It's, it's like I've.
	I've started going to the gym and I tell you what right.
	There are some guys there that I just want to go up to them and go.
	Dude right, you've won the gym.
	You are, you are literally like a fucking house.
	So you can now go and relax and do something fun.
	You know, you can go watch some TV, slob out, eat some crisps.
	You don't have to carry on with the gym.
	These guys are just colossal.
	And if I went up to these guys and started trying to punch them I mean, they're so much taller than me as well.
	You know I'm and these guys must be like six four six, five.
	And if I went up to them and like tried to punch, maybe I'd get a good hit on the nose and knock him in his ass or something, but he'd get up and pummel me into pieces and I wouldn't have a.
	I wouldn't expect a single person to have sympathy for me.
	You know, because I went and threw the first punch and I knew I looked at the size disparity and thought, fuck it, I'm gonna do it anyway.
	You know, and so I.
	I do agree that in in an egalitarian world and I personally have been raised to be an egalitarian, so that is how I think that that this, you know if, if that's what they're gonna do, that's what they should, yeah.
	But conversely, I think that there's also the physical truth of the matter, and it's that women really are physically inferior to men.
	Even they definitely are in most cases, they absolutely definitely are.
	But see I'm, I'm all for right.
	It has to.
	There has to be a bigger deal here.
	The deal seems to be, hey, men should not hit women.
	Well, I would just like to extend that deal, men should not hit women, but women.
	Can you not fucking provoke us with violence please, because a natural reaction to violence is to get violent.
	So if you don't mind, I won't go around hitting any women.
	I'll follow those rules, no problem.
	But could you do me the favour and stop fucking slapping men and kicking them in the boxing matter?
	That's another thing as well.
	See, see, Ray Rice's wife.
	I don't even know her name.
	It's probably Shira Panda or some shit like that.
	But anyway, to me, women like that are the real bullies because she's hitting somebody and she knows he's not allowed to hit her back.
	She knows he's not allowed to do it.
	So, I mean, she's a fucking bully.
	That was actually the most.
	She knew she was provoking him.
	She knew it.
	When he knocks her out, she's like, okay, well, we're just going to try and get on with our lives.
	Because she knew what she did.
	And everyone's trying to come down on him like he's some terrible fucking wife beater.
	And it's like, no.
	The twist the words as well.
	Just like I was mentioning the other day, linguistic tricks.
	They twist the fucking words as well.
	Like this, right?
	He punched her once and she got knocked out.
	But people are calling that he beat her until she was unconscious.
	He didn't exactly beat her until she was unconscious.
	He hit her once and that happened to knock her out.
	I think it was actually.
	Was it not her head bumping off the fucking handle?
	Yeah, yeah, I think so.
	I'm calling it an elevator, and I'm not even American.
	It's because that's what I keep reading.
	I know, it's terrible, isn't it?
	But this is the thing, though.
	This is.
	It's not just the strength thing.
	It's about being robust.
	I've got a friend who's, I think he's about five foot four, and he is like a rake.
	He's just the smallest, skinniest guy.
	And one time we were, you know, we were all drinking and we were around my flat a few years ago.
	And, you know, he was trying to get to the computer to change the track because we're pissing around with guys.
	A bunch of guys hanging around my flat woods, pissing around.
	I'm like, no, no, no, I'm leaving this song on.
	He's like, no, he tried to grab for it.
	And I just get, I didn't even think it was a shove.
	I didn't even think it.
	But he went tumbling backwards, you know.
	And I really didn't mean it.
	He wasn't hurt, but it was just like I didn't realise the disparity between me.
	Because I'm 16 stone.
	And he.
	I'm out and down.
	Did we lose your shotgun?
	I can't hear you.
	I can't hear you.
	I see.
	Regarding the.
	I don't know if people can hear me, but I'll keep talking anyway in the hopes that they can until Sargon comes back.
	Regarding the woman hitting men scenario, if I was in that situation, right, and a woman was attacking me, first of all, I wouldn't go out with a violent woman.
	But if I was in that situation, what I would do, the first thing I would try to do is get the attention of all the other women who are nearby and maybe say, look, I don't want to hit her back.
	Can you please intervene and tell her to stop this?
	In the hopes that the woman would help.
	I don't know if that would work.
	She might still try and slap the shit out of me, but maybe if other women came forward and went, no, no, no, hang on, stop this.
	This is ridiculous.
	Should maybe stop it.
	That way, I don't need to hit anybody.
	But failing that, I mean, you've got to fight back, you know?
	You've got to fight back.
	Right, if Sargon's still going, I'll look up another funny story, right?
	Oh, you'll fucking love this one.
	This is from India, right?
	Well, Jesus Christ, man.
	It just gets worse every day, right?
	Abuse reporting ATMs.
	Yes.
	This device allows women to report abuse privately and securely.
	It's a fucking, it's like a fucking cash machine on the picture.
	And electronic rape reporting kiosk is about to bring revolutionary change in India where the culture of rape is abundant, which is why we only ever hear of that one case.
	You know, that one case where a guy also got beaten up by the way and nearly killed.
	But I forget about the guy.
	But I will never hear about that one case, but that means rape culture.
	Rape is abundant.
	The rape reporting kiosk is the creation of an Indian police officer.
	Inspector General of Police Joy Deep Nyack's invention is innovative in a country where the women are discouraged from reporting such crimes.
	Oh, you back, Sargon.
	Yeah, sorry, sorry about that.
	That's my answer.
	That's right.
	Did you hear what I was reading there?
	No, I didn't.
	What was that?
	I'm going to send you a link, right?
	And you can maybe stick it on the screen.
	It's like you see the headline for yourself, just let you see it for yourself.
	I'm on to the second paragraph.
	Okay, Han.
	Rape reporting kiosk.
	Yes.
	Even saying those words, it's just unbelievable, man.
	Fuck's sake.
	Alright.
	Alright, you fucking idiots, whoever wrote this.
	What's rape, rape reporting ATMs?
	Devices allow women to report abuse privately and securely.
	Okay, well, I mean, I guess technically it's not a wrong thing to have.
	You know, I mean, I haven't read anything yet.
	But don't you feel that don't you ever get the feeling that women are almost encouraged to say they're a victim of rape?
	I mean, that's what it seems like to me.
	There's definitely just a naked bias towards women being the victims.
	Oh, shit, fuck off.
	Yeah, that.
	I get so annoyed when they make it gendered.
	If they just said, you know, a device allows people to report abuse privately and securely, that would be perfect.
	You know, all they have to do is change one word because everything about all of this implies, directly implies that men don't suffer from these problems.
	And not only that, it also implies that men are dangerous.
	Yeah, the men are perpetrating these problems, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	So it's a double-edged sword, but both edges cut men.
	Yes, it's just being cast as the worst type of people.
	You know, it's just fucking vile, man.
	The rape reporting chaos functions like an ATM machine.
	It goes by the name Instant Complaint Logging Internet Kiosk.
	Well, that's catchy.
	The rape reporting chaos can be employed to report abuse and theft by ladies, by ladies.
	Report abuse and theft.
	So if I'm an Indian man and some fucker steals my phone, I can't use that to report the theft because I've got a penis.
	It's just a matter of time, right?
	Before, you know, the way people say, especially the social justice warriors, they'll say that it's what you identify as if you identify as male or female, right?
	It's going to come a point where most men will just identify as a woman because it's easier.
	I want to report a theft of my phone.
	Oh, hang on, you sound male.
	I identify as a woman.
	You know, is this what we're going to have to do to get treated as fucking equals, man?
	Yeah, to just be treated as humans.
	That's the thing.
	And it gets my goat.
	It absolutely gets my goat.
	They have to make it gendered.
	Why make it gendered?
	You know, there's no shame, there's no shame.
	That's the problem.
	They're gender ideologues.
	They're obsessed with their own fucking genitals.
	And I've got one that really...
	I've got a bunch of old stuff from This Week is Stupid that I basically couldn't include.
	It was getting too fucking honest.
	That's stupid.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	And the Game Against stuff came up, so I didn't really have enough time to include it.
	If this one.
	Yeah.
	Vlog releases 20 empowering names for your vagina.
	Fuck's sake.
	Why is this on the Huffington Post?
	I mean, not why is it on the Huffington Post, but why is it being written in print?
	You know?
	Why are precious bites being wasted on this bullshit?
	Why are feminists obsessed with their vag?
	Seriously, man.
	See if men were thus obsessed about their cocks, they'd be called perverts, freaks, creeps.
	How weird it'd be if, like, you know, just the Times or something were just like, yeah, yeah, 20 new names for your cock that sound awesome.
	It would just be the most infantile thing in the world.
	And just, oh, it's fucking disgusting, man.
	It pisses me off.
	So what are the empowering names?
	I don't know.
	We can watch it if you want.
	How are they empowering it?
	Two minutes, so.
	Fuck knows.
	Fuck nose.
	Get rid of this.
	That's another one empowering everything's empowering in it.
	Fuck's sake.
	We were just reflecting about some of the things that happened in our usually our guy friends would have a name for their penis, sometimes having to do with a popular movie at the time.
	Right, like big, or furgolly, or the rom, because I'm sure their dick at 10 years old got that far.
	So after talking about it, we realized that only guys do this.
	Yeah, they even hold metarin contests.
	I've never heard of girls doing that.
	Fucking hell, this is pissing me off.
	Get the fuck over it, you children.
	Men are toads really love and embroider their penises, where women are taught that it is something that should be fucked out of the way.
	Keep your legs closed, be ladylike.
	And the nicknames that people do have for vaginas are terribly disgusting.
	Like meat buttons?
	Well, we say fuck that.
	So here are 20 empowering words that you can call your vagina Hillary Clinton.
	Cherry pie.
	American style, possibly.
	But Cave Valley One does.
	Father Puffs and Sandra.
	If you just got home from the beach.
	Chickley Pop.
	Alright, I can't go on with this.
	I'm not calling any of those things, man.
	Fuck's sake.
	I can't even.
	At the beginning, when they talk about, oh, you know, women are supposed to keep it hidden and secret, and it's just like, hang on, hang on.
	You don't understand that the reason your mum was saying, you know, like, be sparing with it is because that is your power.
	You know, you can use that to get what you want.
	And you don't have to really do anything else.
	And this is like the power of the feminine mystique over men.
	You know, and these women seem to have completely forgotten that men are people and have wants and desires and can be manipulated.
	Oh, they know.
	Well, they seem to be forgetting how.
	Honestly, I really think these people just.
	It's about I don't know how to describe it.
	It's the gender role, you know, and it is the gender role, but the gender role existed for a reason.
	You know, if you do these things, then men will hold you in great regard.
	You know, I mean, Margaret Thatcher never talked about the names she had for her vagina, if she had any, which I fucking doubt.
	You know what I mean?
	And there's a good reason why I respect Margaret Thatcher, not me.
	You know?
	This is the thing.
	So, so yeah.
	Oh, fuck me.
	This is just infantile.
	Absolutely fucking infantile.
	That's um.
	Oh Jesus, I feel like I've lost a bunch of brain cells after watching that.
	It's unreal, but there's another article I want to post here, right?
	I think you think you'll like this.
	You may have actually already read this, but I think people should see it anyway.
	There's something to throw in the faces of those fucking people.
	I think I sent that twice.
	Sorry.
	Did I?
	Sorry.
	But anyway, it's a good one.
	Next time you get these.
	Next time you get these idiots saying women suffer online abuse, send them this article.
	A new study showed that men receive more online abuse than women, but they're also the main culprits when it comes to trolling.
	According to a new study by Think Tank Demos, men send around 75% of all abusive tweets, but women are more likely to abuse other women than they are to abuse men.
	Take note of that, you know.
	And see the abuse that's sent by men, a lot of that will be friendly banter.
	You know what I mean?
	You know, just between men, but they'll take it as absolutely serious wording when it's just sarcastic or just the way it is.
	It's just a dig, isn't it?
	It's nothing like you get your panties in a bunch of it.
	Demos analysed 2 million messages received by 65 individuals with larger Twitter followings, including Piers Morgan.
	He's going to get some amount of shit him.
	Ricky Javaese and Susannah Reid.
	The findings of the study are published in today's Sunday Times.
	0.95% of tweets received by the women studied were deemed to be offensive in nature.
	Is that it?
	Wow, I'm genuinely impressed.
	I'd have thought women would have cried about that a bit more, but that's unbelievable, isn't it?
	It's just basically fucking nothing then.
	Less than 1% of tweets were offensive.
	Why would we even talk about this though?
	Look at that.
	For men, the figure rose to 2.554%.
	So, I mean, again, is that real abuse or is it just banter?
	Almost three times as many.
	There's a large disparity both amongst the men and amongst the women.
	Tweets, 8.7% of tweets received by Piers Morgan were offensive.
	Is that all?
	He got off light, didn't he?
	It's been a good day.
	Compared to just 2.6% of tweets to Ricky Java.
	He does get some amount of abuse as well.
	Yeah, but he instigates a lot of it, I'm sure, because he's a comedian.
	You know, it's funny.
	The abusive tweets sent to One Direction's Niall Horan are so numerous that they had to be excluded from the study.
	One Direction's Sucky Bell End.
	Just constantly.
	ITV's Susannah Reid.
	I don't know who that is.
	The only woman who received more abuse than the average for her male counterparts was Susannah Reid ITV's.
	I don't know who that is.
	Many of these commenting on her appearance.
	I don't know.
	So see if we've got a picture of her, because I bet she's fit.
	She's alright.
	She's not amazing, actually.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, I know who that is.
	She's fucking lovely.
	Oh, she's fucking lovely.
	I didn't know that is at all, man.
	I didn't even know.
	She's lovely, man.
	It's the way she talks as well.
	Oh, she's very sexy.
	I can see why she gets abuse from jealous women.
	Yeah, yeah.
	People are jealous of her, you know.
	Because the thing with her is she's quite popular with men, you know?
	She's one of the way they say dad's favourites.
	She's one of them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Alright, okay.
	She'd be on my list.
	She's top-notcher, man.
	Stella Criset.
	An MP, an MP is going to get a lot of abuse.
	That goes with the territory, doesn't it?
	She received rape threats when she supported proposals.
	Oh, that's those.
	Oh god, that's those.
	I don't know if you've seen those devastating rape threats that never got published once and we've never seen one example of how they were devastating.
	I mean, if I was going to say, if somebody sent me a rape threat and I was going to cry about it, I would at least take a snapshot of it so that I could show people, look what this person said to me, look what this person said to make me cry.
	Well, I don't even know if I believe rape threats.
	I know that sounds awful, but you know, come on, it's some dickhead in his room.
	He's just typed a line onto his computer and then sent it.
	And a threat very specific.
	What counts as threats is something like, I hope you die in a car fire.
	Now, that's not a threat.
	Yeah.
	It's not a death threat.
	It's not a death threat, but it's not nice, you know.
	I mean, see, if you look at the last video you've done, right?
	I was watching the comments going through, right, with that woman.
	God, it was her name, Julia.
	What was her name again?
	Oh, which video was this?
	Liana, sorry, it was Liana.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	My apologies.
	It was Liana.
	The last hangout you just done.
	Well, I was watching the comments on that, and there was a lot of digs at the Jews and so on, right?
	Now, just like typical behaviour of the internet, the only reason people say these things is because they know it's going to upset people and they know it's going to get a reaction.
	You'll notice that so far, nobody has said anything about me being derogatory about us being British, me being Scottish, you being English, or anything like that.
	You notice that?
	Or being atheists?
	Nobody's focused because it's not going to bother us.
	It's the same as Scottish twat.
	I don't mind.
	It doesn't bother me that somebody thinks I'm a torrent somewhere.
	I don't care.
	Honestly, it's probably funny to hear.
	I'm happy to hear clever ones, you know.
	Yes.
	I like clever interrupts, but I think it would be a lot of these people, these social justice types, I don't know how they think because I think it would be really, really strange if nobody disliked you.
	Imagine everybody liked you.
	That would be weird.
	You know, everybody disliked it.
	I don't even know what they say.
	I think that they, I think they're having the opposite problem.
	Not a single person likes them.
	Except the people on the same ship.
	The other people have had their fucking brains formatted in the same way.
	It really is like just someone's put a fucking disc in the side of their head and just wiped their minds.
	I've not met one, a single one, who's actually like a proper social justice warrior with a sense of humour.
	They just don't exist.
	You know, a hardcore feminist with a sense of humour.
	It's just like you guys just can't laugh at yourselves.
	And if you can't laugh at yourselves, you can fuck off.
	I wouldn't say she was funny or anything, but Amanda Marcotte that wrote that article about me, right?
	At least she tried to be funny, you know?
	Yeah.
	Which is something that a lot of women don't usually do, but at least she tried to be funny, you know.
	So that's, I appreciate that, you know.
	Yeah, that's true.
	But no, but when you say that, I can't really think of any who are funny.
	Like, and maybe that's the difference where we can see something and just laugh at it and, you know, not take it too seriously, whereas they're taking it far too seriously, man.
	Yeah, they talk a bit too seriously.
	Wait till you see this one.
	I don't know if you've seen this article.
	This is fantastic, right?
	You think the world is a stupid place, right?
	This link I'm going to send you is how stupid the world is right now.
	It's fantastic.
	Business and so on.
	Yes, it'll be redirected in one second.
	Just read the headline of that.
	It's fantastic.
	What?
	Redirected you.
	Columbia student who's carrying.
	Oh, yeah.
	Did you hear this?
	Yeah, the Columbia student who's carrying a mattress until her alleged rapist leaves campus says she's getting a ton of support.
	Not the right support, obviously.
	Mattress.
	She needs a psychiatric support, I think, but not fucking the support of anybody else.
	So she's walking around campus, right?
	Yeah.
	With this mattress because apparently somebody raped her right now, it's already been cleared and there's been no case, you know.
	This guy's still there, but what she's doing is she's going where this guy is, say, in the canteen or something, and then running out crying, you know, with her mattress.
	He's still here, he's still here.
	So she's going around basically saying this guy's a rapist.
	And you know, it's just.
	And it's just allowed to stand.
	If it was me, right?
	If, for example, I was in college and I got raped, right?
	I would go to the police.
	I wouldn't think, right, time to get my mattress out.
	I find it very bizarre that they go to the colleges.
	Why would you go to the colleges?
	They're not legal entities.
	They don't have any jurisdiction of law.
	But it's because they know that and know they'll get a conviction that way.
	They know they'll be believed if they go there.
	Whereas if they go to a court of law, an investigation will have to take place, and those guys are thorough, and those guys are surprised.
	It wasn't actually rape by any legal definition of the word rape.
	Exactly.
	Whereas a gender studies teacher or two who's on the panel of the jury or whatever in college, I'm sure they'll think it was rape, you know?
	Yeah, it'll be Switch rape or something, won't it?
	They offered you coffee in an elevator.
	Rapist?
	How did you survive?
	How did you get out of there in one piece?
	Seriously.
	You better write a book.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Someone back her on Patreon.
	I shouldn't say that because people back me on Patreon, but I like to think that people back me on Patreon for the right fucking reasons.
	One thing that drives me crazy, right, is the monthly thing on Patreon.
	I actually get really pissed off about it because the way I look at it is, you know, if I'm making videos, then it's when I've done something for a start.
	So there's a quantifiable, I made this video, if you want to back me.
	And also, when you're doing it by individual video, what I really like is that some people, sometimes they're like, no, I didn't like that video, so I'm not going to back that video.
	And it gives them the power to choose.
	That's the best of both worlds, I think, you know.
	And so, you know, I'm never like not doing something or getting money for just being idle.
	And people can absolutely choose to pick and choose what they want to support that I do.
	And so that's fine.
	But these, like, Matt Lee's and all these social justice writers, just like, yeah, just give me three grand a month, you know.
	I might make some videos, I might not.
	Who knows?
	You know, and it just pisses me off.
	It's like.
	Do you do rewards on your Patreon?
	No.
	Not me.
	I wouldn't have a clue, but I wouldn't have a clue what kind of thing to put.
	I haven't got a clue, man.
	Yeah, I'm just going to send everyone a free copy of Necromancer when it's done.
	Got everyone on your Patreon?
	That's something, though, isn't it?
	That's good.
	I mean, they're getting something.
	Is there a definite date on that?
	Or, I mean, is this like years away?
	Do you think you'd be like a few years away, maybe?
	Months away, we're looking months away.
	Oh, months, right?
	Okay, okay.
	The problem is we're a two-man studio doing it.
	And it's it's it's you know we we work as much as we can but you know there's only so many hours in the day and we we've contracted with artists and basically we're still waiting for two the last two models to come back.
	Then they have to go to my friend who animates, but he's currently in the middle he he he moved in somewhere when he had a good job and could afford it.
	Then he lost his job and has another one and now he has to move out because he can't afford to live there and that means that he's had to work like I don't know.
	He's doing something like 80 hour weeks or something as well, you know, just so he can get the money to get the deposit for the next place and not get kicked out of where he is beforehand.
	And so I know it sounds like excuses, but it's, it's physical barriers to getting the job work done.
	Have you ever thought of remember, I'm not an expert, but have you ever thought of Steam?
	Do a thing where, while a game is in development, people can buy it for say, a cheaper price but also offer feedback.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that's a a really good thing.
	I've only done it with one game, a driving game, but it's good to see it in development and you're paying for it.
	So these people are getting money to help you keep working on the game and you don't have to have the final release of the game in order to go on it, you just have to have a basic working one that people can try out.
	Yeah, it's the early access thing, isn't it?
	Yeah, that's it.
	I just couldn't remember.
	I was going to say green light, but that's a different thing.
	Early access, that's it.
	I mean, could you, is there no way you can look into something like that?
	It's it's, it's not the.
	The problem isn't really one of money, because we're not, we're not getting, I mean it, it's all our own personal money that we've put in, other than the Kickstarter money that we got to pay for everything that we needed to pay for.
	So it's it's um, I don't want to do that because there's it's, it's got a bad rap and I'm not a fan of the idea really anyway, it's.
	I don't mind there being like um, sort of like a, a beta group, you know, where beta testers go in and and uh and and try it and stuff, but I don't like the idea of taking money um, from people for a product that isn't quite finished.
	Um, but those, but those people can, can maybe help you.
	I mean, some of them may, even some of them may even offer their services, like, oh, by the way, I make music or something like that.
	You know yeah yeah, we we've had a lot of aging.
	We, unfortunately we've already got the music done, which is, you know yeah it's, it's it, a lot of it is done.
	It's really just the sort of tying up, tying it all into a bow.
	Really, is it going to be a long game?
	I mean, we don't have the resources to make that long game.
	It's got fifty levels, but and each level's not they aren't big levels, but they're it's it's a it's sort of like tactical game, so the levels aren't huge, but it's it's really down to resources.
	You know if, if I had more resources, I would have made it much bigger, I just couldn't.
	Well maybe maybe, if that one does well and you make resources from that, you could use that to that's.
	That's what we're hoping.
	I mean we the reason we've got fifty levels rather than like twenty levels, which is what everyone expected, Because the levels themselves, they're not tiny or anything, but they're not colossal.
	They're probably I mean, you know, if if I suppose they're probably about, I don't know, maybe probably like half a mile square if you were going to talk from the perspective of the character, which isn't enormous.
	But we've got fifty of them and each one's unique, obviously.
	So and you can play from both sides.
	You can play as the zombies or the heroes.
	So there's, you know, and we've got a player versus player campaign as well.
	But that's the unique thing about the game, isn't it?
	Yeah, I've my co-developer was actually kind of against the idea.
	I was like, no, you know what, we're doing it because I'm programming it, so it's going to happen.
	Get used to it.
	I'm such a fucking tyrant.
	But yeah, so yeah, I mean, I'm quite comfortable.
	I've actually been really enjoying playtesting it.
	I found myself the other day, I was kind of going through the playtesting, and then I thought, oh, shit, I better get back to work.
	And I was realising, oh, I am doing work.
	What am I talking about?
	You enjoy playing the game.
	I mean, that's the main thing, isn't it?
	If you enjoy it.
	Well, I shouldn't say that.
	I should really say it's more that everyone else enjoys it.
	But yeah, I make the sort of games that I want to play.
	Yes, exactly.
	That's what I mean by it.
	Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
	And the necromancer and the hero, they operate in different ways as well.
	It's different game playing styles.
	And I thought I'd enjoy the zombies more, but I'm actually enjoying the heroes more.
	But my friend enjoys the zombies more, so that's okay.
	But yeah, enough blathering about my game.
	I feel self-conscious talking about it all of a sudden.
	I've put so much work into it.
	But you know, people will get it anyway, and you've got a channel, you can promote it and stuff, you know.
	Yeah, you'll do alright once it's out, I'm sure.
	I hope so.
	I hope so.
	And the idea is that we can then, you know, hopefully we'll do okay and we can make a profession of it, you know.
	Because yeah, it's what I've always wanted to do.
	I've spent six years learning how to do it, so you know, I'm not going to stop now.
	No, no.
	That coding does look quite difficult, though.
	You've got to have a certain kind of mind.
	You've got to have it's all just computer logic, so it's you know, you've got to bug hunting is the biggest problem because most of the time it's not that something doesn't work, it's that it works in a way that you weren't expecting and it doesn't do quite what you wanted it to do, and then you have to kind of backpedal and trace your way back to what's you know, not wrong, but just incorrect, you know.
	That's what the beta testers are for, isn't it?
	Oh, wow.
	All the bugs and wow, they're the ones who identify the bugs, and then when you've got the bugs, you've got, as the programmer, you've got to figure out where they are and what's causing them.
	And that can be a problem.
	Yeah.
	But no, it's going alright.
	Everything seems to be working fine.
	You know, I've been enjoying it.
	So it's going alright.
	Alright.
	Have you got any other funny articles?
	There was a one about Cher, not usually what we talk about, but I thought it was interesting.
	I'm fed up with people, as you know, I don't like people who pretend they're victims when they're not, right?
	Cher is being sued, right, over alleged racism, right?
	Well, what is claimed to have happened is absolutely not in any way racist, right?
	But this is Andrew.
	A choreographer is suing Cher for racial discrimination and retaliation and claims she complained about having too much colour on stage.
	Cher is being sued for allegedly complaining she had too many black dancers.
	Choreographer Kevin Wilson has filed legal documents against the Believe Hitmaker for racial discrimination and retaliation.
	And in his claim, he states the 68-year-old singer told him to find a white blonde dancer while auditioning for Hope Holes for her show, for a tour, after he said he liked a minority female dancer.
	According to him, Cher said, We have too much colour on stage and instructed him not to cast any more dark-skinned black dancers on the tour.
	Right, that's basically the story, right?
	Now, as you can see there from what he's claiming, she's saying not to cast any more black skinned dancers on the tour.
	So that means there are black dancers there, and all she's wanting is obviously a bit of variety.
	Maybe she doesn't want them all to dance.
	But this guy's claiming that that's racism, and there's no way that is racist.
	There's no way they can win that.
	That's totally not fucking racist at all.
	This is what bugs me because there is real racism that exists.
	This is not racism.
	How can you say this is fucking unbelievable?
	This victim playing.
	I mean, if somebody like, I don't know, R. Kelly, you know, if he had a bunch of people and I heard the story that I said did anyone any more white dancers behind them or whatever, I would think that meant there was already white dancers there then.
	I wouldn't even care if there weren't white dancers there.
	I'd be like, I wouldn't care.
	If he wants all black dancers, it's his fucking show.
	If Cher wants all midgets, it's her fucking show.
	That'd be an awesome show.
	I'd probably improve it.
	It's just nonsense.
	I mean, I know Cher's a nutter, but she's not racist for God's sake, man.
	I'm sure she's ridiculous.
	And the weird thing is, these sort of diversity police should be like looking at it and going, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	You don't have any Chinese, you don't have any Nordics, you don't have any, you know, you've got too many black people.
	You need to have more diversity.
	Everyone has to be included.
	When's it ever going to be fair and right?
	I mean, so it's got to be 50-50 male-female, and then it's got to be 13% black and 2% Chinese.
	I mean, it's come on, man, it's fucking annoying, man.
	Yeah, I'm just sick of it.
	It's all about limiting choice.
	You know, people.
	I personally would be completely fine if some guy wanted to be, you know, some rapper who was like, look, I'm having nothing but black guys or black women or whatever.
	I'd be like, well, that's your choice.
	You know, I don't have to buy your things and I don't have to spot you.
	And if there are people who do, then good for them.
	You know, there's nothing to deal with me.
	But then if I want to make a video game that's got white male protagonists, everyone should leave me the fuck alone.
	No, but it wouldn't happen, though.
	I mean, you would just get all sorts of abuse.
	I just want to answer Triple Alpha's question.
	He's asked, so I feel like I should reply.
	Sargon, when I saw that little tidbit of you showed us making the game, you mentioned being able to summon unlimited amounts of normal zombies.
	Wouldn't that be a disincentive for players to use the special zombies?
	No.
	You can only have so many of the normal zombies.
	Well, you can only have so many zombies at once.
	And they are unlimited, but they're not provided to you all at once either.
	So you've got a supply that you build up, basically.
	And the special zombies are so much better than the normal zombies, but you don't have nearly as many of them.
	So they stand out.
	So basically, your tool is like the zombie mob that you kind of, you know, you can tell them to attack, you can tell them to follow you, or you can tell them to hold their ground.
	And then you've got special zombies that you mix in with that mob to give it a specific sort of power.
	So You might put like a tough zombie, special zombie in there to make sure that to give the mob a bit of staying power.
	Or you might put range zombies in there to give it long-range ability and stuff like that.
	So it's yeah, I don't think it's a disincentive.
	I mean, you definitely want to use the special zombies.
	When I'm playing it, I find I definitely want to use the special zombies because they absolutely swing the tide to it.
	And some of the heroes are quite good at caning up large swathes of them.
	I mean, one of the heroes is the feminazi with a flamethrower, and she's surprisingly good at clearing out hordes of zombies.
	But she is the only woman we've got, so they're going to enjoy that.
	I am going to go for a piss.
	So I've left that link there.
	I think you'll really like that and probably want to speak about it.
	It'll annoy you, though, but I'll be back in two minutes.
	Oh, God, the title annoys me.
	Alright, guys, let's go through this.
	Why video gamers are speaking out against sexual harassment?
	Oh, my God.
	Let's hear it.
	When Heather Knight joined her first formal gaming group, she thought she had found a like-minded community.
	The last thing she expected was what came next.
	Unwanted, sexually harassing messages from fellow players.
	Were they total nerds who didn't know how to speak to women?
	I didn't realise it until much later, but they harassed me horribly.
	What the f me.
	If you didn't notice it, it probably wasn't harassment, and you've probably been some social justice warrior came up and was like, oh, by the way, they did that and that, that.
	And they're like, yeah, I didn't think much about it.
	Yeah, that's actually harassment.
	You know, it's like, what?
	What do you mean?
	Oh, under legal definitions that we've managed to change.
	You know, this is now harassment.
	Oh, my God.
	I was so harassed.
	Fuck's sake.
	It was like having really rude brothers that I couldn't beat up.
	It got hugely upsetting for me.
	What is a formal gaming group anyway?
	What is a formal gaming group?
	But Knight's experience is not an anomaly.
	Two high-profile women in gaming have recently faced the ugly side of the internet.
	Oh, Zoe, the frothing, snapping bee quinn.
	If only she could keep her vagina in her pants.
	A game developer, yeah, okay, that's the loosest possible fucking was accused by her ex-boyfriend of tracing sexual favours for receiving positive game reviews.
	Didn't she admit to the affairs that she had in the because he was like, you did all this, and her response was, I think I'm going to be sick.
	And it's like, yeah, it's all about you.
	Those false charges have spurred.
	You don't know the false.
	I've spurred a wave of rapent death threats online.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Very credible.
	Meanwhile, I need Sarkeesian who I'm just going to skip the fuck over.
	How did this harassment originate?
	How?
	Whatever.
	Opinions from the online gaming from the gaming community are divided.
	Some say the threats come from fringe users and small, unpopular minority.
	Others suggest the backlash reflects gamers' strong feelings about having developers such as Quinn disclose their personal relationships with reviewers.
	A 29-year-old male gamer who requested anonymity, fear of retaliation by the gaming community, they're all going to beat him up and steal his lunch meal.
	Simp.
	Yeah, honestly.
	It's hard to think of a better word than that.
	Said the incidents stem from legitimate concerns of ethical journalism about gaming and not from the rejection of women from gaming.
	And yet they won't fucking listen.
	And yet this article's titled Gamers Speaking About Sexual Harassment.
	The majority of us are certainly against hateful behaviours.
	Duh!
	This sort of thing pisses me off, right?
	It's the side.
	So do you condemn this terrible behaviour?
	It's like, listen, right?
	That's a stupid question.
	Because if I did, then I'm going to say yes.
	And if I didn't, I'm going to lie to you and say yes.
	You're never going to get a no, you know.
	It's such a dumb question.
	There's no point asking it.
	But yeah, I don't think anyone wants to see anyone else's lives ruined.
	He referred to Quinn as a catalyst for a larger conversation among gamers about unbiased game journalism.
	That's true.
	Dan Golding, editor of the Free Play Independent Games Festival in Australia, offers a different view.
	The mangina view, I've got no doubt.
	I'm going to get this up just in case.
	He wrote in a post on his blog that he hates some online some gamers have aimed at Quinn as a result of male gamers fearing they will become irrelevant to gaming culture.
	It's pathetic, isn't it, though?
	It's fucking delusional.
	But as long as they spend money on games, they will always be relevant.
	I mean, it's like, I feel irrelevant in this pastime.
	I think I'll attack that woman.
	Was there sense in that?
	What the?
	Yeah, that makes no sense.
	But yeah, I love this, right?
	Make no mistake, this is the exertion of power in the name of male gamer orthodoxy.
	Hashtag not your shield.
	An orthodoxy that has already begun to disappear.
	Oh, mate.
	This gaming game thing, they're not coming back from it.
	I don't.
	I cannot see how the fuck they could ever turn this around.
	How could they get it?
	So people are going, actually, you know, Kataku, they're alright.
	You know, Kataku, okay, Rob Peppy Shocker, fine.
	You know, Gamer Sutra, I don't mind Leia Alexander being editor at large.
	How is that ever going to happen?
	I think they're hoping it will happen with their usual trick.
	Play women as the victim and get everybody to feel sorry for them and avoid all the facts.
	Nah, they've done it too much, too often.
	Everyone sees through their bullshit.
	Yes, but see when the story gets into the average newspaper, right?
	The average person who doesn't play games or know about any of this, they're going to read it and think, God, these women, even women developers are getting abused.
	It's just unreal, man.
	Yeah, no, that's true.
	That's true.
	I mean, didn't Leia Alexander Zoe Quinn wrote for cracked.
	Not the mainstream news or anything, but, you know, they're a non involved party.
	You know, they should be a non-involved party.
	And I think Leigh Alexander wrote for The Telegraph or something.
	And it bothers me how much they can actually do this.
	It makes me wonder what the sort of connections between the mainstream press and these dickheads are.
	Because how are they just...
	Oh, we'll just slip that in.
	Yeah, yeah, Zoe Quinn.
	Yeah, yeah, we'll write for her.
	We don't know what's going on.
	What does Zoe Quinn think is going on?
	And it's just like, right, okay, that's worrying.
	But again.
	It's just the same narrative all the time.
	It's everything about the internet.
	Well, that's an unsafe space for women.
	Women are victims here.
	Women get paid less.
	Women in the games industry have got it tough.
	Women can get into Silicon Valley.
	Constant, constant messages of women have got it tough.
	Women have got it tough.
	Women have struggling.
	Women are struggling.
	And it just gets so fucking tiring, man.
	So tiring.
	I've got an article by Leigh Alexander from her website that I actually wouldn't mind going through.
	It was just one of those things that it's just like.
	When I'm reading this, ask yourself if a girlfriend's ever asked you to consider her feelings in this way.
	What can be done?
	Do's and don'ts to combat online sexism.
	Don't tweet women asking them what should be done.
	When someone is venting about systemic injustice, commandeering their attention with the question, but what solutions would you recommend?
	Is akin to waking up a person who's on fire and then asking them to bring you a bucket of water so you can help.
	Hey, that's stupid.
	But me, has anyone ever read Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus?
	I went out with this woman who basically asked me to read it.
	And the guy who wrote it, he wrote it and got a lot of advice from his wife on it.
	And he's right.
	He's right with the way he's looking at how male and female relationships work.
	Women want to feel heard.
	They want you to listen and they want you to be sympathetic.
	But men want to fix problems.
	And so in this book, he says how men put on their Mr. Fix It hat or something.
	And then, you know, because that's how men feel useful and productive, and that's how they feel like they're making a difference.
	Whereas what women really want is for the man to just feel what they're feeling.
	But men, I don't think men and women necessarily feel things in the same way.
	I know I certainly didn't feel that I just didn't have the same feelings as this girlfriend of mine.
	And so I was just like, okay, I can listen and I can understand what you're saying.
	But I feel personally, I get really frustrated when I can't take an action.
	You know, if there's nothing I can do, that's the worst kind of situation to be in, you know?
	And so it's this sort of thing.
	Don't ask what should be done.
	Because all she wants is for men to go, oh, that's terrible.
	How do you feel?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Especially when it's like, say, if they come back from work, right?
	They start pissing and moaning about their work and they go, this person said this, this person done that.
	They just want you to go.
	That's terrible.
	That's out of order.
	Men, we want to give solutions.
	And then when they do this, we then go, well, why don't you say this?
	Or, well, why don't you do this?
	And they don't like that.
	Exactly.
	They want you to understand how they feel.
	That is exactly, exactly it.
	And the thing is, right?
	And that's another interesting thing about male-to-male relate, like interactions rather than male-to-male interactions.
	When a male friend of mine, and this guy wrote all this in this book, and I swear it's good, it's actually, it's a really good thing to read just so you've got the female perspective so you can understand them a bit better.
	Because when like, if a man comes to me and says, you know, something, something happened today, I know he is asking me for advice.
	You know, he wants to know how I think.
	Otherwise, he wouldn't tell you.
	Exactly.
	Otherwise, he wouldn't tell me.
	And the only time he would tell you without wanting advice is if it was either interesting or funny.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If it wasn't, yeah, but assuming he's like, you know, this happened to me today, and I'm not, you know, he wouldn't be just telling me to tell me about his feelings.
	It's because, you know, and the thing is, you don't, you know, with men, you don't go up to someone and give advice unsolicited because you automatically assume they've got it under control, don't you?
	Or they know what they're doing.
	If they're not asking for your help, then they don't need your help.
	It's disrespectful to come up and suggest things.
	But then when they start telling you about these things, it's like, right, okay, now I need your help.
	And that's, I think, a big pitfall that men and women generally fall into with each other.
	You know, they don't.
	Have you ever seen White Men Can't Jump?
	Have you ever seen that fellow?
	Oh, when I was a kid, yeah.
	Well, there's a bit where Woody Harrison is lying in bed with Rosie Perez, right?
	And this is brilliant because it's men and women.
	It's brilliant, right?
	She says to him, I'm thirsty.
	So he goes and he gets a glass of water and he goes, right, there you go.
	And she says, I didn't say I wanted a glass of water.
	I wanted you to understand my thirst, right?
	So he just goes like I fucking throws it in her face.
	Stop being awkward.
	Because when you say you're thirsty, the man presumes, right, you must want to drink, then I'll go get you some water.
	But she's like, I don't want the water.
	I want you to understand my thirst.
	And it's like, oh, fuck off.
	But that was quite funny.
	Yeah, yeah, I remember that scene, actually.
	Yeah, and the next one on this is like, don't make the person who is clearly suffering from the effects of an unfair system to do free work for you.
	All right, you lazy bitches.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, this is totally unfair.
	If only there were some women in games journalism.
	If only Leia Alexander had a job.
	And so don't feel like you have to give a response.
	You just want me to sit there while you whinge at me for hours and hours, don't you, Leigh?
	You know, just, yeah, just some people, she literally says, I'm just gonna show this so you guys can see it actually, because I'm not making this shit up, I swear to God.
	Sometimes people simply want to be heard and understood, and you do not need to prove you're a good person by offering a pithy reply or insincerely fist shaking along.
	That is literally like I'm going out with Leia Alexander now.
	And she's just like, no, I just want you to just let me have a whinge for a bit and then just sit there and I'll be like, oh God, all right.
	All right, I've got to sit.
	This is my duty as her boyfriend, apparently.
	I mean, I don't know.
	You know, don't try to explain things.
	Sorry, Gone.
	I just say I would have one of those rules and it would be simply don't tell people what to fucking do.
	I mean, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
	I mean, the next one is don't try to explain things because they don't want it explained.
	They don't want to understand it.
	They just want you to hear them.
	She's trying to turn the whole world into her boyfriend.
	You know, she just wants every man she meets to be like, oh, yeah, okay, darling.
	Yeah, okay.
	Let me let me let me hear about your feelings.
	I give a fuck.
	You know, and then it really does men.
	Don't tone police.
	Does she sound enraged, impatient, and bitter?
	Is she not being especially nice to all the people who have tweeted at her to explain sexism?
	Ask her how to solve sexism.
	You just said don't ask her how to solve them.
	But it's and then don't make stupid jokes.
	Yeah, don't try and make light of us.
	Don't try and diffuse the tension with you.
	Don't do that because, you know, her feelings.
	She doesn't understand it.
	If you don't laugh, you'll fucking cry.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Or start just banging your head off the wall or something.
	You know?
	But do express your feelings of support.
	Because, I mean, this is just a group of women sitting around going, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, of course, that's so awful.
	Go and talk to your female friends if that's what you want.
	You know, go and talk to your girlfriends.
	I, you know, I'm here to fix things.
	You know what I mean, Leigh?
	And then, I mean, I probably would chag Leia Alexander, actually.
	She's alright.
	She's got a fucking sexy voice.
	Has anyone heard it?
	No, but I know they look up a picture of Leia Alexander to her.
	She's alright.
	She's alright.
	But she does these.
	She's got a YouTube channel where she does Let's Plays.
	And she's actually quite good at them.
	And I hate saying this.
	You know, I hate having to say it because I don't like her as a person in any way.
	You know, there's something about her as a person that really does repulse me.
	But you know how it is.
	She's alright.
	A bit chubby in some pictures, but she's still alright.
	Do you ever get the feeling though that see when they write these lists, especially when they're writing lists of what men should be like?
	Do you ever get the feeling they're describing the exact opposite of what they actually want?
	Oh god damn.
	When they're saying that, oh men don't criticise and don't say this, no, they want the men to fucking speak up.
	Surely they don't.
	Want them just to sit there and Yeah, I d.
	I don't think they understand that what they're doing is trying to turn these men into their girlfriends and once they have successfully done that, it's Mangina central and they're not attracted to any of them and they're all in the friend zone.
	And these, these poor guys and I, it really fucks me off when they're like, being a nice guy doesn't entitle you to sex.
	Because I tell you what?
	I'm not a nice guy, so I've never had that problem, you know, I've never been in the fucking friend zone.
	So what does entitle you to sex?
	Nothing entitles you to sex, but it's.
	But no, but the thing is right.
	I kind of understand where these nice guys are coming from, because they're like, oh yeah okay, you know, women want us to be really nice and considerate and kind and put them first and all this sort of stuff.
	It's like, right okay yeah, all right, you know they, they do this.
	And then these women are like, no, you're undatable.
	Why wouldn't they be pissed?
	I think nice guys, the biggest mistake they make is they listen to women, including their mothers, and they shouldn't listen to them because they talk a load of shite.
	Oh, we like men to be nice, you know, we like this, we like that and all the things.
	This they're saying.
	Nah, they don't want.
	They want a man to be a man.
	Man has to have man traits, you know, and if you piss a man off, he's going to get loud and raise his voice, you know.
	Don't tell him he can't do that.
	Don't tell him not to have natural reactions.
	Christ, did you see the?
	Um, the lesbian woman who dressed up as a man uh, with like uh, Hollywood Style makeup and everything.
	I've seen that she was done an experiment to see how the menu women were like.
	Ah, I seen that.
	I, I read about that.
	It was a, it was interesting but um, I thought it was fascinating, I don't know.
	I think I think a lot of the men suspected there was something not right about her.
	When I watched this documentary about her, they thought they thought she was gay, didn't they?
	I think it was that.
	I don't think they thought she was a woman.
	I think they thought she was an effeminate man yeah, and they and they couldn't really relate to her the way you know.
	They couldn't jostle her and throw banter at her because they thought she was gonna be a bit effeminate and but she did say, she did point out the, the differences.
	Like when men are hurting, they will not speak up.
	You know, and this is true, this is true, we don't want to burden anyone with our problems, we don't want any, we don't want people do you know another thing as well?
	Uh, I speak for myself, but I think a lot of men are the same.
	We don't want sympathy yeah no, if we're going through some shit, we don't want sympathy from people.
	It's horrible.
	It's too hard to distinguish it between sympathy and pity.
	That's the problem, I think, because no one wants to be pitied.
	Yes yes yes, I know what you mean.
	I know what you mean.
	Yes, I mean it can be.
	Yes yeah, I mean I.
	The thing is I, I'm actually I've got like, you know a, a group of like close guy mates, you know, and I I've got a few actually, and you know, I've known them for decades, you know, and I, I know, when they're being sympathetic because they some, they say something really simple like, oh man, that really sucks.
	You know, it's not, it's not pitying, it's not like, oh you poor thing, and all that they, they just, you know man, that's shit.
	You know that sucks, you know, and that is that.
	I know that they are being sympathetic and not pitying me, you know, and I try to make sure I do the same to them because, God forbid, I wouldn't want them to feel like I was pity, like I was pitying them.
	That's horrible.
	You know?
	But again, I think women tend to like that.
	They like, especially the women crowding round and feeling sorry for them and sympathising.
	It's getting lots of attention.
	And another thing as well, see, when you've got sympathy, you can't be criticised.
	Yeah, it's a nice little trick.
	Something's just happened.
	Yeah, definitely.
	You see this on the Twitter things.
	Oh, I'm getting abused on Twitter.
	I'm getting threats.
	It's because they want to be a victim so that they can't be criticised for their bad behaviour.
	You know, that's all it is.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, so do express your feelings of support, guys, when you're dating Leia Alexander.
	Do consider the well-being of others, which is practically the same fucking thing.
	Do boost the individual and her work, not her victimhood, because she'll be boosting her victimhood plenty.
	Or she wouldn't ask you for that.
	Oh, God, yeah.
	No woman who experiences sexism in her profession wants to be known primarily for being a woman who experiences sexism.
	It's ironic because that is literally all they're known for.
	And they work very hard to get that.
	I mean, as well.
	Don't they?
	So, yeah.
	Do take on some of the battles.
	Oh, white knights.
	Get up there and fucking get your sword and shield.
	Yeah, when you see someone attacking a woman or even just asking the kind of obtuse, but why is this a problem?
	Questions we've already discussed in one point here.
	Explain and correct.
	See, don't explain to her, explain to other people for her.
	Do be aware of your own power and how you can use it to help others.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, fine.
	Do care about feminist issues all the time.
	Not just when someone you like on Twitter seems to be being abused.
	Even when there are no women about, you've got to stand up against that sexist joke that everyone found funny and you're about to get kicked out of the group for.
	It's just this.
	It's insane, the lack of self-awareness.
	They don't see that this is just what they would be doing to their boyfriend.
	The conversation they should be having with their boyfriend for him to go, oh, alright, whatever.
	Yeah.
	I just want to get back to my Xbox now.
	Keep the peace.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Just keep the peace.
	Just, oh, fucking, whatever.
	But yeah.
	Leia Alexander.
	I'm going to find a YouTube channel so you guys can hear her voice because she's got an amazing voice.
	Maybe it's just me.
	Is it an accent or voice?
	Has she got an accent?
	I guess she probably does.
	I think she's American.
	I can't.
	But it's just the way she talks.
	She's got a great voice.
	It's very soft and nice to hear.
	And that pisses me off even more because being objective, I have to look at it and go, okay, yeah, that is a nice voice.
	But she's an annoying cun.
	You know what I mean?
	So yeah, this is a YouTube channel.
	Just whatever the first one is.
	Hey, everybody.
	My time in South London, and it's time to record a new lo-fine.
	Let's play for you.
	Before we get into today's video, I'd like to tell you a little something about when I was younger.
	And she's doing that nice thing again.
	She's being nice.
	You know, they're always fucking nice.
	They're always a trap.
	It's a fucking trap.
	They're always nice.
	It absolutely is, but it is a lovely voice, you know, individually on its own.
	It's a lovely voice she's got.
	And it pisses me off.
	I don't like that I actually really like listening to her talk.
	And that pisses me off.
	In fact, that fucking infuriates me.
	And the thing is, I know that it's ov it's obviously some biological thing, you know, some fucking lizard brain thing going, oh, well, you know, and obviously, you know, I'm not going to let it do anything, but it's just like it that it just pisses me off.
	You don't understand, I completely understand.
	Why can't she sound like Big Red or something, you know?
	I tell you, I need to do a hangout with a feminist.
	I wonder if any feminist is up for it to do a hangout with me.
	I'd say I would love to I would like to have a debate, like where you know it's it's like you know, obviously it's fairly confrontational, you know, but I know that it would go down so badly with the feminist that I was having it with.
	But it would probably feel really good to do that.
	I would love to do it.
	I mean, I was listening to you, I was listening to the one earlier, and you know, that way when I'm kind of cheering you on and I'm kind of going, right, fucking say this, like, fucking say this.
	Stop perfectly talking, stop fucking letting her babble on the things like that.
	I was doing it and I was like, I need to do this with one of them, I need to fucking hang out with one of them.
	They won't like it, but I think other people might.
	Yeah, well, that's the thing.
	I want to cultivate a good reputation for these conversations because I don't know.
	I don't understand.
	You want other ones to know that they're welcome?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I want them to know that I'll listen to what they've got to say and I'll let them say their piece, you know, because as much of a dick as I am, I like to be fair as much as possible.
	And yeah, like Evildo says, a feminist would rage quit talking with Goodfella.
	They'd do the same with me if I was going to be like that.
	And it would be the funniest fucking thing.
	I think I could just be a dick, you know, just like I would in my videos, you know.
	Nail them on every fucking stupid thing they said.
	But I do think a productive dialogue can be had with some people.
	And even if a productive dialogue can't necessarily be had with them, letting them air their views says more than me just hammering them, you know?
	Claudia Boleyn, would you get Claudia Boleyn, man?
	I would definitely do a hangout with her, eye.
	But I don't I just she wouldn't be up for it.
	I'd also do a hangout with oh, she's she's too big, but um Anna Kasparian.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'd love to get a fucking hold of her so it man.
	I'd love to debate with her, but somebody said to me the other day that I've ever considered going, you know, doing a TV interview or something like that.
	But I said to them that I would do a hangout with a feminist anytime.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't go on any show where it was set up because there are always traps.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, I actually call it a trap.
	Well, I don't think that's actually a bad thing.
	A trap.
	A trap's almost like a reverse trap if you know that it's there.
	You know?
	But it it's like I remember the one we met.
	In fact, you made a video about it as well.
	Remember Mick Buchanan?
	With those three fucking idiots.
	And he was surrounded by three feminists.
	One of them was the host.
	And he just couldn't get a fucking word in.
	All this different bullshit that's been covered a million times.
	And it's just a trap.
	There's no point in doing it.
	They're better doing a hangout that way.
	They can't trap you.
	They can't trap you that way.
	See, I'm actually.
	In that situation, I would feel a lot more justified in being a bit more belligerent.
	And I think that if you just go through the throat, you know, just be like, look, right?
	Just point out the situation.
	Be like, look, if it was, you know, you surrounded by three men who are against you, and you know, you could just exploit the situation to your own advantage in that situation.
	You know, you could lay it out that it's a trap, and then suddenly they now have to justify themselves without they've got editing on their side.
	Wow, that's true.
	You know, and this is I don't know if you noticed it.
	There was a recent one with quite a lot of them were in it, but Paul Elam was in it, and it showed you him being asked a question, and then it showed you him looking kind of confused, right?
	And you can just tell that this confused face came from another point.
	You know, to make them look a bit stupid, they edited, you know.
	So you might think you can get them, but you won't because they'll have editing on their side and they'll just edit it to make it look really, really bad.
	They can't do that when I hang out.
	Yeah, assuming it was live, then, you know, I wouldn't.
	Obviously, if they're going to do that, then they're going to do that.
	Yeah, you can't do anything there.
	But if it was a live thing, I'd definitely do it.
	And I'd be taking the prisoners.
	Yeah, question time.
	I wouldn't take it.
	Yeah, that would be excellent, actually.
	I don't know how I'd feel about being on TV, though.
	I'd probably be massively nervous about it.
	I imagine you would be.
	I think you would get used to it.
	I was nervous the first time I spoke on YouTube.
	The first time I let my voice be heard, I was a bit nervous.
	But then I just get used to it.
	Get used to talking to myself.
	For me, the biggest hurdle is hearing my own voice coming back at the speakers.
	I know what you mean.
	And because I've got a British accent, obviously, I get Americans saying, oh, I love your voice.
	I'm thinking, yeah, you could hear it inside my head.
	You'd hate it.
	To me, my voice is really, really whiny and annoying.
	That's how I hear my voice.
	And when people said they like my accent and they like my voice, I was astonished.
	I thought, are you hearing the same voice I'm hearing?
	Because when I make a video, sometimes I need to watch it maybe three times back before, you know, to make sure it's uploaded properly and all that kind of stuff.
	And see, hearing my own voice, I fucking hate it, man.
	It's weird.
	Everyone does.
	I think everybody's the same.
	I think so.
	Yeah, I heard there's a reason.
	I can't remember what it was.
	It's something to do with, I don't know, just vibrations going through to a different part of the ear or something stupid.
	I don't know.
	I'm talking shit probably.
	No, I know what you mean.
	And your mouth isn't facing you when you're speaking, and you're more hearing it inside than outside.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sorry, I suppose something's missing.
	Did you see that recent link I posted?
	Oh, the Huffington Post one.
	About it says here, Hillary Clinton, turn female economic issues into a movement.
	This is the possible next president of America.
	Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday that voters need to turn pay and equity and women's economic security into a political movement in the November elections and beyond.
	I'm not going to be able to do that.
	Okay, no problem.
	Pointing to an issue that could animate a future presidential campaign.
	I mean, it's like we have to turn pay and equity into a political movement.
	But all that's going to do is point out the obvious.
	Women do not work as hard as men.
	This is what this is.
	I just don't know why feminists keep bringing this up.
	It's like, yes, you don't work as hard as men.
	You don't work as long as men.
	I mean, why do you keep pointing this out?
	Clinton, the Democratic former senator and first lady who's considering another presidential bid.
	I mean, she's the possible next president.
	She's the former first lady.
	And she thinks the wage gap is due to discrimination.
	I mean, it's astounding.
	It is astounding.
	Said policy issues like raising the minimum wage, equal pay for women, which they already get, and providing families with access to quality, affordable childcare need to be prominent in upcoming elections because they think that if people have aff affordable childcare, women will then have a child, leave it with a fucking stranger, and then go back to their jobs and pay more taxes.
	It's not going to work.
	Women don't want to leave their children with fucking strangers.
	They want to be there for them.
	Christ.
	I don't know how this woman doesn't fucking know that.
	When we can turn an issue into a political movement that demands people be responsive during the election season, it carries over.
	Clinton said.
	These issues have to be in the lifeblood of this election and in any election.
	Excuse me.
	The issues that aren't really issues.
	You know, women get paid the same as men for doing the same jobs.
	So it's not even an issue, but they should be at the absolute fucking lifeblood of the election.
	What does that say?
	America, this is shameful, America.
	It's fucking shameful, man.
	This woman could be the next president of America.
	And she's talking absolute utter drivel.
	And I bet you nobody fucking says anything to her about it.
	I bet you nobody from the other side says, wait a minute, you're talking shit.
	They won't, because they've got to go along with a lie as well to get the women's vote.
	Clinton spoke at a forum sponsored by the Centre for American Progress, which was spawned more than a decade ago by veterans of her husband's administration, where she was joined by House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi.
	God, there's another one.
	Fuck me.
	Kirsten Gillibrand.
	I just made a video about her the other day crying like a little baby because some fucking random man who shouldn't even matter called her fat apparently.
	And this is a fucking senator, a fucking senator.
	What are we supposed to do?
	Treat them like fucking adults when they cry about things like this.
	Oh, dude, did the man say a nasty thing to you, sweetheart?
	What was that guy?
	I can't remember his name.
	I think he was the New Jersey mayor or something like that, anyway.
	And he's a chubby guy.
	You know, it's all sorts of abuse for his weight.
	You hear him crying like a little bit of a drink.
	Fat bastard, what the hell?
	It's like they just, well, they're just being honest, I suppose.
	Whereas she's got to cry about it.
	I mean, it's not just that.
	When she cries about it, she says it's a problem for women.
	Somebody says something to her, it's a problem for women in the workplace.
	God's sake, man, these women are annoying.
	It's a problem for a woman.
	I mean, isn't that?
	For one woman, but that means all women, apparently.
	Unreal men.
	Because all women might get called fat.
	And they probably will, because most of them.
	They're all the same.
	All women are the same.
	So what does it matter?
	They're all just exactly identical.
	But that's the thing.
	It's weird.
	I swear to God, whenever they say, you know, this is a problem for women, I swear to God, all it is is this like, this, this, like, cold hand that clutches at the heart and this thought that emanates in the brain that's like, that could be me, you know?
	And that's what it is.
	That could be me.
	Oh, my God, something has to be done.
	Honestly, I just want to thank Shoutout Swindon, by the way, because I think I'm going to do a video at some point called A Tribute to Swindon's Single Mothers.
	And it's just going to be quotes of them screaming about how they're going to smash a car window in because a dog or a kid was left in there for five minutes.
	I remember you mentioned them before.
	That video I put up with me throwing knives at my son.
	Well, that sounds bad, but honestly, the words they use, it's just like something should be done, and then it's just I'd have got a brick and smashed the window.
	It's like, no, you don't.
	You wouldn't have the upper body strength for a start, and you wouldn't.
	And wouldn't that endanger the child?
	Yeah, they're not worried about that.
	Or whatever.
	I mean, they don't care about that.
	They just want to be fucking bonkers.
	But yeah, Americans, by the way, Hillary Clinton is going to be your next president.
	It's going to suck for you.
	It's going to suck.
	Saying here, Democrats are trying to persuade women to vote in the fall.
	Ju just think of that sentence.
	They're trying to persuade women to vote for them.
	It's again as if women are all the same person.
	They're just clones.
	They're all the same.
	We'll get women to vote for us by saying this one thing.
	It's oh, it's terrible.
	But the thing is, that's a stupid statement anyway.
	Democrats trying to persuade women to vote.
	Well, yeah, of course they are.
	They're fucking politicians, you morons.
	What they're not persuading them to fucking emigrate to Canada or something, are they?
	But yeah, seriously, it's going to be the feminist brigade are going to be out in force screaming the word woman repeatedly when they what they mean is feminist.
	And people will be like, oh yeah, well, you know, we've had a black president.
	We should definitely have a female president.
	So yeah, let's get the tokenism over.
	Let's just get it over and done with, shall we?
	One of the worst is when people say and I've had a lot of people say this, it's about time.
	Like that's the reason to vote for Hillary because it's about time we had a woman.
	What the fuck do you mean it's about time?
	Yes.
	She does have a vagina.
	I know.
	Very old vagina.
	But that's that's one of the things that I worry about about this vote up here, if it's a yes.
	A few people have mentioned it.
	Will the social justice warriors take over Scotland, you know?
	But I don't know, man.
	I don't know how I don't know how bad it is just as in Scotland, you know?
	I don't I can't see many Scottish people putting up with the bullshit, to be honest.
	I just don't imagine a lot of them would put up.
	They just say, oh, shut up, don't be so stupid.
	Stop crying.
	You know, that's our attitude.
	So I hope it doesn't take off, but you never know.
	You never know.
	I think in Britain generally it's it's a lot less um pervasive than it is in the United States.
	Still annoying but it's not as bad as in America.
	It's a bit like the atheists in a way.
	Because over here it doesn't mean anything if you're an atheist.
	We don't really go on about it because it's like nobody gives a fuck but in America it's a pretty big deal you know only because the church tries to enforce fucking you know different things on people that they'll believe.
	There's a heavily religious demographic in America that's yeah.
	But I tell you what right I, what I think the Americans need to do.
	American men right, what you need to do is start a petition to the White House in fact, it's actually a petition that that will basically say, we petition Bill Clinton to give Hillary Clinton a good fucking Rogering because she is clearly in dire need of one.
	And Bill's just gonna be like, oh what, really?
	Yeah, come on mate, take it for the team.
	You know, just give her it, just just only you asked her to once and it'll just shut her up for a while and we can all just go back to living normal lives.
	Come on, it's either that or it's gonna be eight years of Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, oh my god, I can't even begin to imagine how awful assuming we have a civilization left at the end of it maybe we can have like a normal guy in the fucking thing.
	It's got to make it.
	It's got to make a difference, though that to some people that you know she couldn't take care of her own husband, so how can she take care of her country?
	Do you know what I mean?
	She couldn't keep him happy and that's one man.
	So how can she keep the people of America happy?
	That's a lot of people.
	I tell you what though, if you were married to her and you're the most powerful man in the world, you would be fucking everything that moved, wouldn't you?
	It's like I think it's Chris Rock that said that as well, you know, I mean come on.
	You know, I think Bill Burr said it as well with Tiger Woods.
	You get all these people saying, oh, that's terrible, terrible.
	And it's like, you're not an apposite.
	You've not got women throwing themselves at you, so you can't talk like that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I tell you, if I had women throwing themselves at me all day, I'd probably die of syphilis, you know what I mean?
	If they were making it easy, you know, and they're just I don't know, I d I don't know, I think that I think they'd annoy me if it was too easy, man.
	I like a wee bit of a challenge, you know.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They're all throwing themselves at you.
	I'm sure it'd be good at first, but I think you get fed up with the amount of idiots, man.
	I mean, I mean, if you if you're famous and you've got money, you can really trust women.
	It'd be very, very difficult to trust a woman who showed interest because you would think, hmm, is it because I'm famous or is it because I've got money?
	I probably wouldn't even have the problem there.
	I'd probably just assume by default it was about my fame or money.
	I mean, you know, you know, I'm not famous and rich now, and I don't have women just throwing themselves at me in the streets, so I know it's not my looks.
	And if they've only just met me, they don't know my personality.
	So I can be absolutely certain that it's not either one of those.
	Have you ever watched a show?
	It comes from America, right?
	I torture myself watching this show.
	It's so bad that it's good, right?
	It's called Millionaire Matchmaker, right?
	That does sound awesome.
	If you've never seen it, no, oh, fucking on.
	It's set in America right where else.
	And basically, it's usually a guy, right?
	Very rarely is it a woman, it's usually a guy, and the guys go to this woman who's a millionaire matchmaker, right?
	And she sets up people who are millionaires with people who want to be with millionaires, right?
	I'd like to apply for that.
	I think I could take one.
	And these guys, and I think they know the deal, right?
	What they're basically saying is, look, I've got some money, right?
	And I want a woman who's pretty and really good in the sack.
	And I don't mind spending some of my money on her, right?
	And see all the women that are in this.
	I mean, they are only there to go out with a millionaire.
	They don't even know what he looks like.
	They don't know where he's from.
	Nothing, right?
	They just know that he's a millionaire and they're there to date this man, right?
	And you can see it in their eyes.
	Every single one of them has got the same look, and that look says, I really want that divorce settlement.
	That's all they want from this man.
	They just think, right, stay with this man for long enough so that if I divorce him, I get the snaps, you know, and plus I don't need to work ever again.
	And that's all they're after.
	The most shallow woman ever.
	And I don't know why feminists don't attack this show.
	It really, really makes women look so fucking shallow.
	I mean, they're liars as well, right?
	Remember, they're all desperate to get that divorce settlement from this rich man.
	So, you can...
	But they look like wolves around a sheep, you know?
	They look like wolves around a sheep, you know?
	Oh, oh, I got eye.
	I mean, they are usually all pretty, right?
	As you'd expect, you know.
	But it's funny when you know that they're lying, right?
	There was this one I watched last week, and honestly, I was laughing for ages afterwards because of this woman, right?
	This guy was a he said he was a collector, and for some bizarre reason, he wanted the woman he was with to share the same interests as him.
	I don't understand that, but anyway, that's what he was.
	So he was kind of like asking them, What do you collect?
	You know, do you collect anything, right?
	And obviously, these brain-dead bimbos don't collect fucking anything, right, at all, right?
	They don't collect any of the STDs, maybe, right?
	So you could see them all struggling to answer, and none of them could answer them right.
	So then he then picked one out and went, right, you then, do you collect anything?
	And she was like, oh shit, I need to convince this man I've got something in common with him so that I can get that money.
	So she then went, I collect uh life experiences guys just look at like what the fuck are you talking about man?
	Who doesn't do that?
	I actually collect life experiences.
	So in other words you don't collect anything do you?
	It's a fucking lying bastard man.
	I tell you I I I want to give her some props for that.
	That's quite an in inventive answer.
	I would have said to her I would have said to her do you ever take them out of the box if you're a collector?
	You know?
	Fucking life experience.
	No, I mean I I can understand that give her props because at least she tried but it's just you can see how pathetic it is.
	And then these these women they don't they don't share interests with these guys.
	They just don't and they just pretend that they do.
	But I think the guys know this.
	They're in it for the good sex.
	The pretty woman on their arm.
	I can't spend money on her if that's you know fine.
	And they would totally be in charge in that relationship as well until divorce time came along.
	Because a lot of them probably like that.
	If if I was rich I'd probably just find a prostitute and be like, look right, let's just work out a deal.
	Well for the for the money it would cost to be with one of those bimbos you could probably get three high class prostitutes a day.
	Yeah exactly.
	I mean it's not like there's you know there's it's not about emotions clearly when you're doing it in such a predatory superficial way.
	So it's just like okay well let's just you know let's just let's just be honest with ourselves you know I want sex on tap as I want it when I want it and you want lots of cash and I have lots of cash and you have a vagina.
	So let's let's be adults about this.
	You know these are you know say you know once a day maximum you know that's you know and then you know there may be what there may well be days where you say look you know I don't fancy that because of whatever reasons and I that's fine you know we can come to other accommodations.
	That's definitely what happened with Anna Nicole Smith and that oil billionaire.
	Exactly.
	They obviously came to an arrangement where look I'm going to die soon.
	Do you want some of my money?
	Yeah.
	You know then just you know exactly, you know it's just there must have been a deal there, you know.
	But anyway, I highly recommend, if you get the opportunity you ever see it on Millionaire Matchmaker.
	It's just absolutely as I say, it's so bad and so cringeworthy it's I.
	I torture myself because I watch it when it's on and I'm screaming at the table.
	I'm usually screaming, you fucking shallow bitch.
	Usually that's what it goes like.
	Oh, they're unbelievable, man.
	When, when are the results of the referendum going to be announced?
	Well, they uh said it should be tomorrow morning.
	Uh, that'll be friday morning.
	Uh, i'm guessing around about five, six o'clock in the morning.
	That's my guess.
	Uh oh, hang on, we've got here.
	Uh, for the no, nineteen thousand odd and for the yes, sixteen thousand odd.
	Now uh, I still think yes will win.
	No, I know it's three thousand difference.
	I still think yes will win.
	I, i've just got a funny feeling they're going to Win.
	I don't want them to fucking win.
	But I've got a funny feeling they'll win.
	A funny feeling they'll win.
	Well, I was actually going to ask you, right?
	So the people who are in the yes camp are very passionately in the yes camp because they woke up listening to Braveheart or something.
	And they seem to be zealous, you know.
	And I doubt there's much persuading going on on either side.
	I mean, am I right there?
	Is that a federal?
	When I went to the polling station today, there were two guys standing outside, one yes, one no, handing out leaflets.
	You know, I mean, I just said to him, I've already made my mind up, but I thought that was a strange.
	Are they expecting to change someone's mind right at the polling station?
	That's a strange tactic, you know.
	I mean, I'm voting no, I'm voting no.
	Was this a yes card?
	Actually, you've changed my mind.
	How is it?
	I mean, I just can't, I don't know.
	I can't see that as being helpful.
	But I mean, to see the city centre in Glasgow, there's been a lot of photos, and it shows there's a lot of people waving Scotland flags and stuff, and we're going to party and all that kind of stuff, you know.
	But the yes camp are definitely louder.
	But as I say, they're the ones that want change.
	In the no camp, it basically goes like this: do you like it the way it is?
	Vote no.
	Whereas the yes camp are like, look, we need to change it for this, we need to change it for this.
	You know, they're the ones that have to be loud.
	They're the ones that have to push their side because they're asking for change.
	Whereas the camp I'm in, we don't want change.
	I mean, I saw like I've seen like clips on American TV of American journalists who have gone to Scotland to interview the very die-hard yeses, and they're all like saying stuff like, you know, this is the moment I've been waiting for my whole life and all this sort of stuff.
	I don't buy that.
	I don't buy that.
	This is a recent thing.
	Yeah, I don't.
	I don't buy it at all.
	I've never at any point.
	I mean, we get the history from our grandparents and stuff, you know, the English and Scottish battles and stuff.
	But no, I wouldn't say it's been like a lifetime thing for anybody to want to separate from Britain.
	No, this is just recent.
	This is recent.
	Okay, but they do seem quite emotionally invested in it.
	And if it comes back as a no, are they just going to take it lying down?
	Well, there's no choice.
	If it comes back, yes, I need to take it.
	They don't have a choice.
	I mean, the type of people Scottish people are, I don't think there's going to be riots or anything.
	I'm genuinely concerned because of the depth of feeling on the yes side.
	They really, really, really want it, it seems.
	And so, you know, if it just suddenly comes back, no, sorry, you stay in Britain, tough shit.
	You know, the voters decided it, the case is closed.
	They're going to freak out.
	They freak out.
	I think they would freak out more if it wasn't close.
	It's quite close right now with the count on TV.
	And see, if it wasn't close, like if it was an overwhelming thing, no, I think they'd be very annoyed then.
	But if it's close and they lose, I think they'll accept it.
	Well, as you can see, say it's something like 55% no, 45% yes.
	I think that will encourage the yes camp to maybe at some other point in the future try again.
	I don't think they should, by the way.
	I don't think they should try again.
	This is it.
	Yes or no.
	Don't get to try again.
	None of that nonsense.
	You've had just a chance.
	But I don't think there'll be riots.
	I don't think there'll be fighting.
	There'll be handshakes.
	There'll be, oh well, best of luck or whatever.
	I don't think there'll be any fighting or anything like that.
	If there is, I know what I'll be doing.
	I'll be looting me some Jordans.
	American style.
	That's how they get pissed off.
	Start smashing shop windows and stealing Jordans.
	I hope you're right, because the only reason I'm concerned is because these people seem genuinely like they really believe this.
	And I know it's going to be.
	I mean, they seem absolutely convinced that it's going to be yes.
	I could speak for myself.
	If it turns out to be yes, I wouldn't in any way be bitter.
	I would say to the people who I know are voting yes, well, well done, you got what you wanted, you know, and then I would then hope that whatever it was, it was for the best.
	You know, yeah, you've got to make the best of the situation.
	I wouldn't be drag on about it.
	If it turns out to be yes, I wouldn't be, oh, fucking those idiots voting yes.
	I wouldn't, that's just not me, but a lot of people probably will.
	But that's just.
	That's what I'm worried about.
	You know, you, I know, wouldn't, but these people may be less rational.
	I'll wear a I'll go into the city centre tomorrow if it's a no and wear a Margaret Thatcher t-shirt.
	I love Margaret Thatcher.
	I don't mean that.
	I probably won't come home.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know, do take care of yourself.
	But Zante just said that the Dundee polling station was the fire alarm was pulled.
	Buck, it's just a fire alarm, isn't it?
	As long as it wasn't a fire.
	That's probably the worst you'll hear, actually.
	Something about the headline and The Guardian or something, somebody pulled a fire alarm.
	That would be the only drama they get.
	That would be the only drama they get.
	Well, I hope so, because the thing is, that sort of thing, though, it's like, you know, I don't know.
	I just find it suspicious, but that's because I pay attention to the American electoral system.
	So that's something that would make me suspicious of the American one.
	Well, I think what's interesting is afterwards, if this turns out to be yes, I believe all they're really voting for is the opportunity to negotiate, right, for all the properties and ownership of everything.
	None of that's been negotiated yet.
	Now, imagine that we got the yes vote and we didn't win any of the negotiations at all.
	What if they all went against us?
	What state is Scotland going to be in?
	I tell you.
	So, you know, no, you're right.
	One thing that I'm concerned about is that they're not considering the other side.
	And I'm not saying that they necessarily have to.
	I can understand exactly what you're saying.
	I mean, the yes crowd.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They're not considering the English side primarily, I guess.
	And more importantly, they're not considering the Tory side.
	And I know this sounds like, well, fuck the Tories, because I hate the Tories too, but they are the ones currently in power.
	And how do you think David Cameron and fucking George Osborne are going to be like feeling about the men who lost Scotland, the men who allowed the Union to break up?
	I don't think they'd care.
	I think David Cameron's been sound all the way through this.
	Early on, right?
	You need to understand, see, in Scotland, most people, I'm talking like 98%, don't like the Tories, right?
	And at the very start of this, when this started to come up, this whole independence talk, Alex Salmond, on a few occasions, challenged David Cameron to a debate on the issue.
	And David Cameron kept saying the same thing.
	It's not about me, it's about Scotland.
	It's for them to decide.
	So it won't go down as them losing Scotland.
	It will go down as Scottish people decided.
	And David Cameron's making sure that's what it's seen as.
	He's taking nothing to do with it.
	I'm not debating Alex Sammond.
	I'm not why should why should David Cameron basically beg Scotland to stay as part of Britain?
	To me, he doesn't owe anything to this debate.
	The best thing to do is just stay out of it and let the Scottish people decide.
	I agree.
	That is the wisest tactic.
	That is by far the wisest tactic.
	Because David Cameron won't be able to say anything right.
	I mean, if he says anything, you're going to get groups all over the place saying, oh, stay out of it.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	So the best thing you could do is just sit back, smoke a cigar and watch as the results come in.
	I fully agree that that is exactly the only method of action for David Cameron.
	I don't think he'll be judged though.
	If it turns out yes, I don't think the history books will judge Cameron.
	I don't think Scotland are going, oh, look, David Cameron, it's time we went for independence.
	It's because it's not about David Cameron.
	No, no, no, you're right.
	He just happens to be there when it's happening, but he knows it's not about him.
	I don't think he'll mind.
	The history books won't paint him bad for that.
	I don't think that's it.
	But the thing is, the history books will paint him as the man who lost Scotland.
	What I'm thinking really is more, it's what do you think his peers in Westminster are going to be like?
	You know, I mean, he's in a no-win situation.
	He's absolutely in a no-win situation, right?
	And you've got to remember these old Etonians.
	These guys all study history, you know?
	They all studied the British Empire and Disraeli and all this sort of thing.
	And it's going to be a monumental shame for them to be the men who watch the breakup of Britain.
	It's going to be regardless of what independent history is right, for them and the Etonians and the Tories.
	This, you know, like, you know, the Boris Johnsons and all that sort of thing, they're well educated.
	They're buffoons.
	They are.
	Well-educated buffoons.
	Because they're Tories, right?
	They know they don't have a lot of support up here.
	So I wouldn't be surprised.
	And I also wouldn't blame them either if it was a yes vote and they just went, fuck them, you know, we're better off without them.
	Because we're not exactly doing the Tories any favours up here.
	That's actually where I was going with this.
	Because so not only David Cameron, I mean, I've seen I saw a couple of interviews with him and he looks like a man who hasn't slept for weeks.
	He looks and he I mean he's saying all the right things and it's the only thing he says.
	He's like, well I'd like Scotland to stay, but I mean it's it's it's it's a choice.
	And he he's he he looks haunted, you know, and I'm not kidding and I think I'm pretty good at reading people and he he honestly he looks like a man who hasn't slept for weeks.
	He looks like a man who is actually thinking about his historical legacy.
	You know, not even Tony Blair or Gordon Brown fucked up the UK.
	No, no, again, again, it's not him that fucked up the UK.
	It just so happened to be he was in charge when this whole thing came about.
	I mean it could have been Tony Blair.
	And that is exactly what he's going to tell everyone because it's true.
	But that's probably not what Boris Johnson's going to use when he's being rhetorical and giving him a bit of a harangue in Parliament or something.
	It's just going to, oh, this is the man who lost Scotland, whoa!
	That would definitely happen.
	I love watching those debates, they're brilliant, but what do you think you think?
	David Cameron knows that's coming, right?
	David Cameron knows that's coming because that's what they're like, you know, and so he can take it.
	He can take it, but he's going to need a comeback.
	He's going to need something.
	And so he's going to be...
	I honestly think they're going to be quite spiteful when it comes to the negotiations if they get a yes.
	I think they will.
	Well, maybe they will, maybe they will, eh?
	Maybe.
	It wouldn't surprise him.
	George Osborne as well, he's already said no pound and that is a that's a big fucking deal, you know what I mean?
	I mean, you don't want to keep the pound if you're an independent nation because if someone else is controlling your money supply, then you're not independent.
	Yes, that's true, that's true.
	It's just a facade, so it's pointless.
	And even then, if Scotland's part of the UK, and at least they have influence over who controls the pound.
	Once you leave the UK there and you've still got the pound, then you're a puppet.
	And that's worse than being in the Union, you know, and that's terrible.
	And I'm saying this because I do actually care about Scotland.
	I mean, I'm not Scottish.
	You're like one of two people, Scottish people I know, but I still have a good you know, I feel good about the Scots, you know what I mean?
	I don't want to see them get screwed.
	You know, even with all the sort of anti-English rhetoric and stuff, I don't want to see Scotts get screwed.
	I think David Cameron comes under fire and people say this is a man who lost Scotland or whatever.
	His comeback could simply be no, the Scottish people voted.
	You know, it's nothing to do with me.
	But it'll hurt his pride, it'll wound him, you know.
	Because do you think that say it's a yes vote right and it's uh Scotland's independent, do you think that will benefit the Tories in England?
	Now that's interesting.
	I because they could gain from this they could.
	I think that everyone wants to secede from Westminster, whether they understand that they want to secede from there or not.
	You know, I think that basically people would like to have a divorce with London.
	And there are plenty of English people who would rather secede from the UK.
	You know, a lot of the plebs are always, you know, whenever I'm out drinking with people from like the lower classes, they're always like, oh, yeah, well, we could just leave, couldn't we?
	And then everyone would be screwed.
	And it's like, yeah, I mean, it's a bitter sort of way of looking at it.
	But then they're not unhappy about it.
	You know, there's quite a high, you know, when it's polls, there's quite a high support for the idea of, you know, just, you know, what, tell them all to fuck off the ungrateful bastards, you know.
	And that's not even an unreasonable position to have, really.
	Something that I've just thought about there, actually, when you said that was, you know what, I haven't heard a thing about what will happen with the TV licence up here.
	I don't know what's going to happen here.
	I don't know.
	We're not going to have a TV licence.
	You know, we won't be part of Britain.
	It's broadcasting corporation.
	Surely we won't be getting that or won't have to pay for that or whatever.
	I don't pay it anyway, but you know what I mean though.
	Yeah, no, I don't.
	I'm pretty sure there's no statute under British law that actually compels you to pay it, so they just send you letters that make it a little bit more.
	I don't think it's legal, to be honest with you.
	I don't think it's the case.
	It's the equivalent of me say I open a shop in your street, right?
	And I don't know, sell apples, right?
	And I put an apple through your door and then I come back to you next month and say, right, you're going to have to give me money for that apple that you did not ask for.
	You did not request this apple, you know, but yet you have to pay for it if you don't want it.
	And in this day and age, when you look at Sky TV, there's no reason to get BBC for free.
	You know, they could sort it so that you have to have a licence, but yet they don't, because I think they know it's it's illegal.
	It's fucking illegal.
	Yeah, I I'm absolutely convinced that's the case.
	I really am.
	And I I've never I've never paid for a T V licence and I've never been forced to, you know, I've never never needed to.
	I mean I don't have a T V so you know ev well I d I've got a T V but it's not connected to an aerial or anything.
	As long as you don't pick up any anything B B C you don't need to pay it.
	Yeah I d I don't I just don't even open them these days.
	Every now and again, that's only when I just ignore it.
	But with the thing about the Tories and the power of the Tories in England, I'm actually really unsure about what will happen because I don't, I don't, I can't believe anyone votes for any of these clowns.
	You know, I mean, there was a poster up somewhere.
	I can't remember what it was.
	It was somewhere in England, I think.
	But it was just like, it was a picture of Nick Clegg, what's the Walton Grommet guy?
	You know, the Labour leader, Miliband.
	He looks like fucking Raymond, actually.
	Everybody loves Raymond type.
	I know what you mean that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, his eyes are just far too close together.
	That sucks.
	And then underneath it, it was just like, do any of these people represent you?
	And that's the thing.
	It's like, look, everyone knows they don't represent anyone but the moneyed interests.
	Corporations, banks, and rich.
	And it's just like, right, okay, so great.
	Let's.
	I mean, you know, that I think what would be best is, you know, if people just understood that.
	And just like, literally, that is like a meme picture that everyone shared.
	If everyone in Britain saw that, they'd be like, you know what?
	That's a fucking good point.
	What can be done?
	And then we can at least have a conversation about removing Etonians from politics.
	That's their game, though.
	I mean, in Eton, I mean, this is the kind of place where they hold debating classes and stuff.
	I mean, these people know how to debate.
	And they do all this in there.
	They've got the.
	I seen it years ago when some documentary showing you about Eton.
	And they've got the room in there with a mini version of Parliament.
	And they have to take the two sides.
	And they have to argue their case with the other side.
	So that, I mean, they learn all this.
	So when they then leave, there's not really anywhere else to go apart from politics because that's what they've been trained for.
	Yeah, well, that's interesting because it's like that's, I think there's a distinct difference there between being a debater and then being trained for politics.
	And I think that they do debate, obviously, but I mean, I do think, I remember seeing something a while ago, and I should have saved it because it was something I would have used in a video later on, sort of thing.
	But they are trained to be politicians.
	They're not trained to be anything else.
	They're trained in what not to say.
	Yeah, that's it.
	They're not trained in what to say.
	Well, they are, obviously.
	They're trained in platitudes, you know, say nothing effectively.
	Exactly.
	But yeah, but you know, and then they're trained in how to handle certain demographics, you know.
	And that's what it is.
	It's how to handle demographics.
	And it's like, okay, that's great.
	But that's politicking.
	You know, that's not solving problems.
	That's not doing anything important.
	And Fuzzbend has just put the people interested in Gamergate, Nero, that's Milo, has just dumped the full Zoe Quinn emails.
	And I'm going to have to have a quick look at those.
	Sorry.
	I really am going to have that.
	That's cool.
	I'm very very curious I bet it just gets dirtier and dirtier, doesn't it?
	Full Zoe Quinn mails.
	Well, there could be a lot, though.
	Yeah.
	They weren't the full emails.
	Yes, Lord Darth Viadro, I voted no.
	Yeah, if you want to talk to people, I'll just look for this.
	Sorry.
	Just asking if anyone in Scotland voted no.
	I'm one of them.
	I think I have a link if anyone wants it.
	Have you got to put it up on here?
	Yeah, well, I'll yeah, yeah, I'll um I'll well I'll tweet it, I guess.
	Um if I'm I'll just make you looking at it right now.
	I'm looking at Milo's website.
	Um he's got he's just like the social justice voice, he's got his own fucking website.
	If you want to go through that, I want to go make a cup of tea, right?
	Yeah, yeah, go for it.
	Two minutes, right, guys.
	Um right, yeah, this doesn't indeed appear to be all the oh or a bunch of emails So I'm just gonna retweet them so you guys can see them
	Yep This will be interesting.
	Right, I've retweeted that.
	Someone asked me to follow them so they could message me.
	I'm just going to find whoever that is.
	Blake the Fox, whoever you are.
	Right, I'll get the screen sharing on the go.
	Right, so let's see what we've got.
	Devin Connors.
	Who was he Devin Connors that rings bells, Devon?
	He probably re.
	He probably works with Kotaka or something, doesn't?
	He rock pick shotgun escapist Devin Connors.
	So he says I've missed about 99% of what happens.
	I was busy with the wedding.
	What exactly has happened to Zoe?
	Above statement some photographs from a 4chan or blah.
	Then Matthew Hawkins links in the Zoe post.
	Who's Matthew Hawkins?
	See this.
	This is pissing me off.
	These people should not be this tight together.
	I don't even know who Matthew Hawkins is.
	Anyone know who Matthew Hawkins is?
	What the fuck is it?
	What is this?
	Okay, I don't know who this is.
	And then James Fudge.
	He was the game politics, I think, dot com guy.
	Yeah, gamepolitics.
	Calm to Greg Tito.
	Obviously I've decided not to write about this.
	What, why?
	Why would you tell everyone?
	Why do you think there's material there for a video?
	Oh absolutely, I mean, the thing you cover, isn't it?
	Yeah yeah, absolutely.
	I mean.
	You know, they're literally just looking for opinions from the group, because I'm stumped at the best way to handle this and it's like that's.
	I mean, why don't you ask the people you work with, rather than the people you don't work with, Ben Cuchera, which he's, he's a, he's a serious problem in all of this?
	Yeah, we've seen that one already.
	If there is harassment, I'd shut it down immediately.
	Yeah, but what you class as being harassment is people disagreeing.
	And we've banned warm posts on these threads that are even close to that line.
	I'm talking about discussion.
	If I followed your logic, we should also shut down Twitter and the rest of the internet being a platform.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Which given recent events looks like a very attractive option.
	Yeah, I don't doubt that you would do this, Greg Tito.
	You know, that's the that's they're such fucking totalitarians, aren't they?
	Um oh, just don't phone them.
	Just don't phone them, guys.
	You know don't phone them.
	You know, we we we don't want to be the dicks that they are, you know what I mean?
	Then fucking Kachera again.
	That's that one, yeah.
	To be fair, Greg Tito's number, he's a you could probably get his number anyway, it's probably just his number of the escapist.
	Um see they're so concerned, they're so concerned about you can't get in trouble for putting these phone numbers on here, can you?
	Well, that's what everyone's saying.
	Do you guys reckon?
	Just just in case just in case, because they might say you done it deliberately and pretended not to know some shit like that, but you specifically say don't phone them, so don't don't phone, let them play those stupid fucking games.
	Exactly, that's not for us, is it?
	You know, we don't need to do that.
	Um but the thing is, I mean, is is this actually doxing?
	Because these phone numbers, I bet if if I search for Greg Tito phone number, good idea.
	You can probably it may be the number he puts out there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's it's maybe not.
	Maybe it is.
	Yeah, but it's undoubtedly his business number, but um, what was that?
	What was that number again?
	I'm going to rape you, you bastard.
	I guess.
	I wonder why Milo's done that, then.
	I wonder why he's done that.
	I might tweet him and ask him.
	He'll post it again tomorrow when he's made absolutely sure there's no contact details in there.
	Right, okay.
	You know, I guess just so that the right people avoid the trouble.
	Yeah, yeah, I guess he got a bit excited or something, you know.
	But yeah, yeah, okay.
	That's yeah.
	That was a bit of a foolish move, Milo.
	I didn't even notice the numbers when I was going through it.
	I was reading the text.
	You know, I didn't even look at them, you know.
	I'm glad you guys told me, frankly.
	If they're out there, you know, I mean, I'm sure a lot of people can get a hold of them now.
	Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
	It's easy to change your number anyway, so I love our cantos here.
	MRA Sargon shows phone numbers of influential feminist journalists to hundreds of trolls.
	Page two, Scottish election.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's um but yeah, it's um yeah, I d I don't think they're coming back from all this.
	I I just I I I mean the things are I I'm fine for them to have their stupid like like Fox News, like with the young Turks, let them have their little area and you know let them play in it.
	You know, they can say what they like, they can do what they like, but everyone should know exactly what they're like.
	I know a lot of people don't like Fox News, right?
	Do you know what I think they deliberately try to wind people up that don't like them?
	I've got no doubt that that's I mean they just you know they're putting some of the things out they're putting out because they know it's going to annoy people, you know.
	It's just I think CBN NBC does the same shit though, or MSNBC rather, they do the same kind of shit.
	They're all the same, man.
	Yeah, yeah, I think the producers do.
	I think the people who are hosting it are useful idiots and they don't and they don't understand that you know, I think they're you know, they're ego-driven.
	It's like politicians, you know, they're ego-driven.
	They've got their agenda they're trying to follow and all this sort of stuff.
	But if you if you know they've got an agenda, you can read from them and you can read from somebody with another agenda the same story and you can usually then come up with the truth in the middle of all that.
	You know, but if you just stick to one side, you're not going to get a fair.
	I mean, if you only watch Fox News and nothing else, I still wouldn't rule out Fox News though.
	Any news site I would give a chance because there's some truth in what they're saying.
	Sometimes there's a spin on it, an agenda, but there's still something in it, you know.
	Well, this is what I actually try to explain to people who, you know, when they're like, oh, you know, like, not necessarily, I don't obviously don't explain to the young Turks, but this is what I want everyone to understand.
	It's like, hang on a sec, sorry.
	You know, the reason that your opponents are arguing with you is because something about their position is true.
	You know, and they're effectively cherry-picking to them.
	Exactly.
	And that's why there are people against you, and that's why you hold your position, because something about your position is true.
	But you're both cherry-picking different facts out of the situation to assume, you know, to create your narratives.
	And if I have an example to hand, I'd show it's so easy to spot.
	And it's just like, right, you know, if you just look at it from the episode, yeah, that is true.
	You know, it is true that these things happen, but they're not considering XYZ.
	And it is also true that these things happen and they're not considering ABC.
	And it's just come to the point, especially in American politics, where it's just like, why don't you guys just split into two countries?
	You obviously can't live with each other.
	A little update on the numbers, you want to hear them.
	Two out of 32 declared, and we have for the no, 29,040, for the yes, 21,233.
	So by nearly 8, the no's in the league to 8,000.
	Hmm.
	Okay, well.
	Interesting.
	There's another 30 to go, though.
	There's another 30 counts or whatever to go, and then the recount and all that jazz.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	That doesn't mean anything.
	No, no, but it's.
	I tell you what, I don't know why, but I do feel like I would rather it just continue as it is because change is scary and I don't like the idea.
	For me, it's especially because it doesn't even have to happen at all.
	This is what bugs me about it.
	This whole referendum doesn't even have to be happening.
	There's no need for this.
	But some people are.
	But at least we finally get to say yes or no.
	And it's my lifetime, and I got to have Massey.
	I'm glad I was able to have Massey.
	It's alright, next time you can have a vote and kick the Scots out.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	That would be funny.
	I think that's probably what they do.
	But yeah, it's.
	But things, I mean, what, like, you know, what does Scotland not have that it wants politically, really?
	I mean, you've got the Scottish Parliament, you've got all these devolved powers.
	What it seems that they don't want Westminster.
	A lot of people don't want Westminster to basically be calling the shots, right?
	But for it to affect Scotland, Scotland would have to basically agree with those shots.
	But I don't understand this argument because what they're really saying is the people in Westminster are corrupt and don't care about Scottish people.
	I don't care about that.
	But yet they seem to think that if they're Scottish, they will care about Scottish people and they won't be corrupted.
	And it's just like absolutely mental to think like that.
	There is no fucking way because they're Scottish, they're going to care about you.
	I mean, they'll give a fuck, man.
	Politicians.
	They're all politicians.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Alex Salmon, and another thing, do you really want him to be the Scottish George Washington?
	Do you really want to hear him lionised in Scottish textbooks and schools?
	I do not want him in history books for this at all.
	Exactly.
	You want someone.
	I mean, what's your opinion of George Galloway?
	Oh, George Galloway.
	I like George Galloway, but I mean, don't get me wrong, he's one of these guys, see, because he's so opinionated, you know that it's just a matter of time that he's bound to say something you don't like.
	And I think he's done that a few times, but he always says things I like as well.
	And I like his attitude.
	He's not scared of anybody.
	He isn't afraid of anybody at all.
	He's been in front of the American Senate.
	Yes, a few years back.
	He's a boss.
	He just doesn't.
	No fear.
	No fear at all.
	He's surrounded by people who don't like him because he sticks up for the Muslims, you know.
	But he doesn't back down and he's very loud.
	And, you know, no, this is what I believe.
	And you'll fucking hear it.
	You know, you'd have to make sure.
	If you've got to challenge him, you'd have to make sure you were right because he's really good at this.
	He's a great debater.
	Again, his point across, he's really good at that, so he is good at that.
	He's a great rhetorician as well.
	The only speech that I was actually persuaded by about that actually got me feeling even vaguely patriotic was when he was giving one.
	I should find it because he's such a good speaker.
	Although I like him, he's one of those guys.
	I can understand why people don't like him.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Oh, yeah.
	In fact, I can understand why people don't like me.
	I like him, but I know why people don't like him.
	I like Piers Morgan, right?
	But I know why people don't like him because he's such a wind-up merchant.
	Did you ever see him on the American Apprentice?
	Did you ever see that?
	I didn't.
	He won it as well.
	He won the American Apprentice and took the piss out of the other contestants.
	He was top class.
	really was brilliant on that man Hang on, hang on, can I just Lucia Beville Aqua I don't know I can't pronounce it.
	Is this actually a social justice warrior we've got with her?
	Because I'm happy to answer any questions they've got.
	And be serious about it.
	Why do people call social justice warriors toxic?
	It's like, how dare those marginalised groups of people discuss issues they face?
	Now that's cool, right?
	Because they often belong to culturally marginalised groups.
	Now, my primary response to that is, so what?
	And I would also say the issues that they discuss that groups face are nine out of ten pure bullshit propaganda that is not true and not to be taken seriously.
	Oh, there's not enough fucking Asians here, there's not enough black people here, there's not enough women there, who gives a flying fuck?
	Their fucking points are not worth anything.
	And so that's why we don't take them fucking seriously.
	They talk shite most of the fucking time.
	When's the last time any of them had a point?
	Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm with you.
	I don't want to bully the person out of the room because they're presenting the other side and I would like to talk about it.
	She's not a feminist.
	She says she's not a feminist.
	Well, that's fine.
	I mean, yes, you know, if there's if she's supporting that position, that's, you know, that's that's what I want to talk about.
	Because, like, the, you know, the marginalized, right, okay.
	You know, how dare these marginalized groups discuss issues that they face, right?
	Their issues are there aren't enough non-transsexuals in video games.
	And it's just like, if that is your issue, if that is something you're so passionate about that you're gonna come to my come to our podcast and fucking and start and start talking about it, then you have got very few problems in life.
	And honestly, I think that you should shut up and be thankful that that is your biggest problem.
	And I know that sounds callous, but seriously, if I started whinging on about these tiny problems, I would expect people to say that to me.
	And at the end of the day, if there's, you know, San Francisco and Bristol are overrun with people like this.
	Why don't they get together and it's not about dismissing you?
	It's about you.
	Literally, that's the thing.
	It's not about dismissing you.
	It's about you literally looking at your situation objectively and saying, hang on, how bad is this really?
	You know, you know, and it's, you know, are you actually being actively oppressed?
	Do you have separate drinking fountains?
	Do you have legal stances taken against you?
	What is happening that's not cultural?
	Because cultural stuff is about freedom of choice.
	You can't take people's freedom of choice away.
	Lucia, I'd like to say that I'm totally in favour of people discussing issues, but if they pull up issues that are not fucking issues, I won't stand for it and I will call them on their bullshit.
	So when they say some shit like, oh, look, pixels don't have vaginas, I'm going to call them on that fucking bullshit.
	When they say, oh, there's not a lot, there's not a lot of women in politics, I'm not going to let that fucking slide.
	I'm not going to, not without saying that not a lot of women go into that field.
	Stop fucking doctoring the numbers to make it sound worse.
	Oh, women enlist in men.
	No, they fucking don't.
	Not because of discrimination.
	They do.
	They do.
	So you said, but what about we do it?
	Bring actual issues.
	What fucking actual issues?
	Bring one actual fucking issue and we'll deal with it.
	But they're not fucking issues, are they?
	They're made up nonsense to make you a victim.
	Yeah, no, I really do think a lot of it.
	I mean, the pay thing drives me up the wall because it's like, oh, well, you know, women, what was it that, was it Gloria Steinem or someone?
	Yeah, it was Gloria Steinem.
	Called it the female ghetto or something.
	Where she was saying, well, female jobs are paid less.
	It's like, A, that's sexist, isn't it?
	They're not female jobs, and that should be what feminism's fighting against.
	Is that concept, Gloria?
	But we all know that she's gone fucking senile when she was young, anyway.
	But it's, you know, it's like, look, it's basic economics.
	You know, nurses don't get paid very much because they are where the money that is earned goes.
	You know, school teachers don't get paid very much.
	You know, they're paid by the taxpayer in this country.
	You know, and it's stuff like this.
	And it's like the STEM fields, that's where the money is.
	STEM fields, you know, and entrepreneurship.
	And these things are high-risk or high-work fucking jobs.
	And if you're not going into them, don't be surprised that you earn fuck all.
	You know?
	And look, what are you talking about?
	Cis trans, straight, non-straight, white minority hierarchies.
	What?
	These are not hierarchies.
	This is the thing, there is no hierarchy that says, right, okay, I mean, cis white people are by default at the top, and you know, and then it's it's cis women, and then it's it's trans men, and then it's trans women, and then it's trans black women, or whatever.
	You know, there is no hierarchy.
	It's all it's all in your own fucking heads because you're lazy and you don't want to do the work to get the job you want.
	You know, I don't believe in these fucking hierarchies, they don't exist.
	I wouldn't mind if they had a point, but when these fucking people come at me or other people and say, Pick a field, Silicon Valley, hey, there's not a lot of women there, you know, and it's like, well, wait a fucking minute, you're allowed to do it.
	Women are allowed to do it.
	If they weren't allowed to do it, you would have a point.
	But you don't have a point.
	They're allowed to do it and they choose not to.
	So you don't have a fucking point just because there's not a lot of women there.
	I don't have a sympathy for the.
	It's oh, it's a male dominated culture as well and it's like well yeah, so what?
	You know?
	That's why I'm not a nurse.
	You know it's a female dominated culture.
	It's not the only reason I'm not a nurse, but you know, there's a lot of things that female dominate cultures that I don't feel welcome in and therefore I don't.
	You know what what's, and if and if and if I really wanted to do it, I would just get put my head down and get on with it.
	You know, I just fucking sack up, you know.
	I mean Lucia's saying the 22 cent wage gap is a myth.
	Well, actually it's not a myth, it's a fact.
	Women earn less than men, but the the, the word to take from this is earn, not fucking get paid less.
	They earn less.
	If they want to earn more, then they have to pull the thumb out their ass and do the same fucking hard work that men do fuck's sake.
	I'm also fed up as well.
	Another thing I'm fed up with with these fucking people is, uh, they'll focus on the cool jobs and say oh, there's not a lot of women there, but they cool the shitty jobs.
	How come come on, Lucia how come you never mention the shitty fucking jobs that women don't do what why?
	Why don't you mention these fucking jobs how?
	Because they're not cool?
	Because they're not fucking cool, they're not trendy, they're not easy.
	You think we can't see through this shit?
	Though you can't.
	You think we can't see through this when you say oh, look at the stem fields, there's not a lot of women.
	You think we don't know?
	Not a lot of road workers are women, for fuck's sake, I think.
	One of the things that gets me is though, they're never the hard jobs.
	They're always comfortable office jobs, air conditioned.
	This is in there.
	You guys all realize I'm not even a feminist right yes, but you're bringing up social justice warriors and asking the question why we don't take them seriously, and that's.
	What we're trying to explain.
	That's why and you don't need to be a feminist, because they bring up the feminist shit.
	That's why we don't take it seriously never said you were a feminist.
	It's good that you're not a feminist, thank fuck, you don't identify as one, but the social justice warriors bring their shite out all the time about fucking feminism.
	That's why it gets attacked so much, and that's why people will presume you are a feminist because you bring up the issue of social justice warriors.
	And what about our issues?
	We presume you're a feminist.
	Because you don't, I do want some sympathy to literally, because I get called an MRA all the time, and it's not that I don't care about men's rights, it's that I could never I could never join a gendered movement, you know.
	I just you know, so I you know, I mean, but the thing is, right, and and conversely to all this is that we sound really unsympathetic, you know, and I wouldn't be unsympathetic to someone who was like a transgender or whatever.
	I don't really know anything about well, I know some of that, but I wouldn't be unsympathetic to these people if they were having legitimate problems.
	But saying, oh, I'm not represented in games is not a legitimate problem.
	That is a you therefore need to make your own games, then, don't you?
	Well, the way I see it, you don't have the right to say my demographic is not represented in this place when you haven't done anything to get in that place.
	I mean, it's like me, I've never tried to be a politician.
	Imagine I then tried to complain about the amount of Scottish politicians there were.
	It'd be ridiculous.
	Why have I not tried to do it then?
	It's fucking ridiculous, man.
	Imagine me complaining and saying, Oh, there's not a lot of male nurses.
	This is terrible.
	I've never even tried to be a nurse.
	I don't have the right to complain.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	And the thing is, I do think there's an industry for these things.
	You know, that's why I'm happy to sort of be more than happy to let the social justice press just like, just let them go.
	Just let them go do their own thing.
	You know, find some proper gaming sites, find the proper, you know, find those YouTubers who like Total Biscuit.
	I like Total Biscuit a lot.
	And I didn't really know that much about him, but he did this demo of a Warhammer 40,000 game.
	And I swear, everything he said, I was just, I was watching it, just riveted to this Let's Play.
	And I'm not really a Let's Play kind of watcher, you know.
	But he was just like, oh my god, this is just like playing 40k.
	You know, oh my god, I can't believe this.
	It was, it was amazing.
	I was quite swept up in his video because he was a gamer.
	You could tell.
	This guy, you know, he'd spent his life, you know, as a kid playing Warhammer with his mates, and now it was, you know, he was a space marine with a jump bank nailing shit, and he was loving it.
	And I was loving it as well because that's it.
	You know, I mean, if those guys want to play Depression Quest and tell everyone about how it makes them feel, that's fine.
	I don't, I don't care.
	You know, just that's not my sort of deal.
	So, you know, and they need to realise that.
	They need to realise that.
	So, right.
	Lucia doesn't think women are oppressed.
	Lucia isn't a feminist.
	Why did you bring up a social justice warrior thing and say, how come we never address their points?
	What points?
	Yeah, I'm curious.
	As soon as you say that as well, as soon as you say, well, how come you never address it?
	People are going to think you're a feminist.
	It's just it kind of goes with the territory.
	So I didn't actually see you were a feminist but I did think you were a feminist.
	Still with us Sapper?
	Waiting for people to join this video called.
	I take it, Sargon's been cut off.
	Let's see if there's anything of interest here.
	Williamstown firefighters must learn to have respect for women.
	This is a letter, and the letter is from him, and it's from somebody.
	Deb Hubert, the acting president of Now from New Jersey, right?
	This is a letter and I think it's one day.
	I agree with your comments on the behaviour of some members of the Williamstown Fire Company.
	They behaved like college students at a fraternity party.
	I don't really know what's going on here.
	Some firemen, you know, partied or something.
	They need to learn to have respect for women.
	I mean, they would learn to have respect for women if women were respect worthy.
	Then they would have no choice but to learn to respect them.
	You can't just expect to be respected just by badge.
	Really does my head in that man.
	We do not want men to tell us to bury our breasts for their gawking pleasure.
	Men are bad to see a tit, you know what I mean?
	Exactly, exactly.
	But it's obviously just some fraternity, you know, just college students and that having a laugh with firemen.
	There's a lot of sexual innuendos with firemen.
	We all know this, you know, women love a fireman and all that stuff.
	Long hose, all that kind of shit.
	But if you say the wrong way, people get offended.
	But she ends this later with lack of fair and equal treatment for anyone who's not a heterosexual white male.
	I mean, the hatred is just there, you know.
	It's like everybody's oppressed except heterosexual white men.
	Is this clear they just don't like fucking men?
	The thing is, though, that's I think that in a way, this is the thing, in a way, this is all kind of true, right?
	Because no one, absolutely no one gives heterosexual white men anything for free.
	And what this abuse?
	Yeah, except abuse, yeah.
	But even then, that's the same thing.
	What this does is it forces them to develop themselves as people.
	You know, you have no choice as a heterosexual white male but to learn something.
	You know, you've got to be good at something or you've just got to put up with the grunt work because that's the only way you're getting anywhere.
	I think our greatest advantage is that it's every man for themselves.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	There's no like, you know, there's no patriarchal brotherhood who helps each other out.
	There is the meritocracy.
	And if you can work hard and you've got talents and you, you know, you work these skills, you will rise.
	It's inevitable.
	You can't not, you know, but you have to be good at what you do.
	And if you're doing something you're not good at, you've got to change it because you're not good at it.
	And therefore, and they never get any sympathy.
	White men never get sympathy from anyone at all, even when they are the legitimate victim.
	And this just breeds a greater strength of character.
	And so these people going, oh, you know, and it's strength of character that people respect.
	You know, that is what is respectable.
	You know, whinging, oh, but I'm not a white man and therefore no one respects me.
	It's like, yeah, but that's because you're whinging.
	Maybe they confuse attention with respect.
	Maybe.
	Maybe, maybe they're getting a lot of attention by whining and they think, oh, they've been respected.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But the thing is, that's the thing.
	I mean, like, well, I saw this article from this actress, this French actress.
	She was a good-looking girl in her day, you know.
	And she did loads of films.
	She really distinguished career, actually.
	And then she did this article in like, you know, the fucking Huffington Post or something, where she was complaining that men develop gravitas and she just didn't develop gravitas.
	And it's just like, and now her looks have faded, no one looks at her when she walks into a room and all this sort of stuff.
	And I'm just like, well, that's entirely your fault.
	You know, no one can give you gravitas.
	You know, it's something you develop based on your skill set and accomplishments.
	You know, it's the air you carry yourself with.
	And this woman had loads of accomplishments, so it's not like she couldn't have done it.
	You know, look at Helen Miram, you know.
	She's got gravitas.
	You know?
	It's just this white...
	She talked about her ass as well, though.
	Quail her.
	But it's...
	These people don't seem to understand.
	It's what you do that counts, you know.
	And if you, all you do is whinge, then that's what people will know you for, you know?
	But yeah, does does my head.
	These people just have no idea that, you know, get nagging to get your way doesn't improve you as a person, and therefore you're never going to get what you actually it won't get them respect, but it it might work because this nagging thing does work for a lot of them, you know.
	So maybe it's because it works, and maybe it's because men keep letting it work.
	That's exactly a message from Liana Kay, by the way, that she was like, thanks, that was great, and very productive.
	Signed a sleazy bastard.
	Was that me?
	Yeah.
	All right, okay.
	Sorry, could you read that again?
	Sorry, sorry.
	It's good humoured, actually.
	No, I know.
	I just didn't catch the middle of it.
	Yeah, that was great.
	Very productive.
	Signed a sleazy bastard.
	She's not an ideologue.
	She's a feminist, but she's not an ideologue.
	That's the difference.
	It's the zealot thing from Churchill.
	She can change her mind or the subject.
	She doesn't just have to talk about her vagina and her vagina's ideology.
	She's alright looking as well.
	She's a redhead, isn't she?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I didn't think she was already.
	You know what they say about redheads?
	They got no souls.
	No, no, they're passionate and fiery.
	Oh, I was going to go for they've got red pubic hair.
	It's feminists that have got no souls.
	You're getting confused.
	Ah, that's true.
	That's true.
	What was I thinking?
	What was I thinking?
	But yeah, it's Monday Matt's like, whoa, Nero's site's down.
	What the fuck?
	And it's like, I reckon it's probably traffic.
	You know, because some sites get a lot of traffic, they closed it, they overloaded or something, especially the smaller sites.
	I don't know what Nero is.
	Is this like a website or is that a guy on Twitter or something?
	That's Milo's website.
	Right, okay, okay.
	But yeah, I imagine that he's got like, you know, sort of like a £5 a month hosting deal or something.
	And yeah, it's probably just completely overloaded it.
	But yeah, I can't believe that 4chan guy just siding with the social justice warriors.
	It's like, what the fuck is going on?
	I don't know about that.
	What's happening there?
	I don't use 4chan, so I don't really know much about it.
	But I watched Monday Matt's video about it, and he was gutted that Moot, the guy who owns and founded 4chan, he's gone over to the social justice warriors effectively.
	And it's just like, and he's like mad.
	Could he be a king?
	Could he be pretending in order to get ammunition?
	He could be pretending.
	It's a hell of a risk to take, you know, because he's basically alienating all of 4chan doing that.
	And, you know, that's a risky game to play.
	And I don't know how smart he is, so I don't know whether he'd be clever enough to pull that off.
	Yeah.
	It's disappointing when you see somebody changing.
	Remember that Camille Bams, what's his name?
	Socialist rants or something?
	See, when you see somebody changing like that, it's just horrible.
	He's been brainwashed, doesn't he?
	He's got a proper brainwash.
	How many fucking movements is he part of?
	I mean, he's part of feminist, he's a libertarian, he's a fucking socialist, he's an anarchist.
	And it's like, how many?
	I mean, it's like, how can these people not just be their own man?
	Why do they need this these groups?
	You know, I need to be part of a movement to be surrounded by people that agree with me.
	You know, you can't really be an anarchist feminist.
	That's a bit nonsense, you know?
	Dr. Randomer Camp pointed that one out as well.
	It's like So it's all backwards.
	Yeah, you could you can't socialist, you know, that's a bit nonsense as well.
	But I don't go for all these labels anyway, they're annoying.
	I think, see, sometimes, right, that a lot of the people that call themselves these names don't know exactly what they mean.
	Like, if somebody says they were an anarchist, I bet you they've got a different definition of an anarchist than another anarchist.
	Oh, they're not real anarchists.
	Well, I hate, or so are I'm a what's it was the other one, libertarian, that's another one that comes up.
	You get two libertarians and two of them don't agree on what a libertarian is.
	And I just think that's hilarious.
	It's like, how can you be part of a movement when it doesn't have a definition?
	When two people part of the same movement can't agree with the definition, it's crazy, man.
	Yeah, no, no, that's it.
	No, no, it's a really good point because it's like, don't you guys think you might need some kind of Bible or something to go on, you know?
	A rule, some set of rules, anyway, something that, you know, that you have to tick the box in order to be part of the group, you know?
	It's like when you get these people up here who there's the old firm fan, Celtic and Rangers, and you've got one half pretending that they're Catholic and you've got the other half pretending that they're Protestants, right?
	And I've worked with a lot of these guys now.
	I always wind them up, right?
	I'll say things like, hang on, you work on Sundays, don't you?
	Well, you're not a Christian then.
	Or, don't you have a tattoo?
	Well, you're not a Christian then.
	You have to tick all the boxes, otherwise, you don't count.
	You can't say you're a Catholic if you've got tattoos, or you know what I mean?
	You just can't, you can't, the two of them don't go hand in hand.
	Are you all on cotton at the same time?
	Because I should be stoning you to death about it.
	You know, Leviticus is a hell of a book.
	Honestly, if you read through it, it's just did you ever see that picture?
	The guy that got a tattoo with the Leviticus about a man shall not sleep with an lie with another man.
	And in the same Leviticus, that's where it forbids tattoos.
	So he had a tattoo from Leviticus that said, man shall not lie with another man.
	And yet, the same Leviticus passages say tattoos are forbidden.
	And it's like, ah, fucking it.
	Well, I guess he's more worried about getting a dick in his ass.
	I would say, like, like the majority of Christians, and this is a shame, by the way, but it is true that the majority of Christians have not read the Bible.
	Oh, absolutely.
	They've got a Bible.
	They own a Bible.
	I'm sure they've read some of it, but they've not read the full thing.
	No fucking way if they read the full thing.
	Otherwise, they'd be an atheist.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	I read the Bible when I first started getting into history, really, and I'd say it was quite a thrilling read.
	That's good stories in the Bible.
	Yeah, if you just assume that God is a figment of our imagination or an alien or something, an alien spacecraft or something like that, it's quite exciting.
	It's like a science fiction story.
	Especially when Moses is having a wizard battle with the Pharaoh.
	It's just like, you know, this is exciting stuff.
	I can see why people got into it.
	Banjacks.
	Banja is saying black man's lips.
	Hi.
	But do you know, somebody said to me a few weeks back that I look like a young Obama?
	Have you heard that one before?
	It's not the most unrealistic thing I've ever heard.
	You've got the figure.
	Do you think I look a bit like a young Obama?
	You've got the same shape.
	You know, you've got like a long.
	You see, the big eyebrows.
	Yeah, yeah, but it's the jaw shape as well.
	The shape of your jaw is the same sort of shape as his.
	Hang on, let me see if it works right.
	I'll tell a fucking blatant lie and see whether I'm like President Obama, right?
	I'm a rainbow-coloured pony.
	You need to smile up a bit more at your cheeks, you know, pull your mouth up a bit.
	That's not a million miles off, mate.
	No.
	The only thing is, if come Halloween, I dress up as Obama, that would be racist.
	You've got to blackface it.
	The racist, though, remember that wee boy?
	I made a video about this a while ago.
	This wee white boy.
	He went to school.
	The school project was dress up as somebody you admire from history and then do a little speech about him.
	He dressed up as Martin Luther King.
	Oh, that racist.
	Black face and all that.
	And his parents encouraged this, and everybody liked it.
	And I think Martin Luther King himself would have appreciated that.
	But some teacher in the school decided, no, that's racist.
	And it's like, how is it racist to admire fucking Martin Luther King?
	Since admiring Martin Luther King become racist, for fuck's sake, man.
	What's the world come to?
	Who was that guy dressed up as Kanye West?
	And with all the makeup and stuff, did a really spectacular job of it.
	He really looked like Kanye West.
	But obviously, he was using black makeup sort of thing to make himself look black.
	And everyone was freaking out in American media.
	It's like, oh, my God, he's being racist.
	It's like, no, he's portraying a specific person.
	If you're not allowed to do it, you know what I mean?
	They've got darker skin.
	You need to make your skin look darker if you want to resemble them.
	Did you hear about Kanye West and the disabled fans?
	Did you read that?
	Didn't he?
	He was doing his routine, wherever he was.
	And he said, right, I want everybody in the crowd to stand up.
	And there were two people left standing up.
	And he actually pointed them out and says, right, come on, stand up.
	And the guy lifted a prosthetic leg and went, or it was a woman, I think it was a woman.
	He went, I can't stand up.
	And then Kanye just went like, ah, oh, she's got a prosthetic leg.
	That's cool.
	And then moved on to the next guy and said, are you standing?
	I'm on a wheelchair.
	That's cool.
	A lot of people are annoyed at that, but I think the whole thing would have been done in jest.
	I think they were probably laughing along.
	I don't think it was as serious as he was having a goal.
	I mean, I don't like Kanye West.
	He's a real knob.
	But I don't think he would deliberately insult disabled people.
	I really don't think so.
	This reminds me of a thing about Russell Brand a few years ago.
	I think Russell Brand has spent a lot of his life.
	He's a very interesting guy, actually.
	I've sort of been a bit of a selfish twat.
	And I think as he's matured, he's realised that it's actually what you do that counts.
	And so he basically was driving along in Hollywood or something, wherever he lives.
	And some homeless guy with a trolley full of cans had spilt these trolley full of cans.
	And so he stopped and actually helped this guy pick up these cans.
	And that's a really nice thing to do.
	I wouldn't have done that.
	I'm selfish twat.
	And then the next day in the papers, it's just nothing but like Russell Brand knocks over homeless man's thing.
	And he had to do a video or whatever saying, look, right, no, I didn't.
	I didn't.
	I was helping him because he had spilled them or something.
	And it's just like, you know.
	Again, it's the press, they edit things and they twist it to make it seem bad, you know.
	I mean, I heard Russell Brand.
	I don't mind Russell Brand.
	It just annoys me that people call him a comedian.
	I personally don't think he's that funny.
	But what I have heard about him, right, is that he's hung like a horse.
	I've heard that.
	I don't know if it's true, but he did land Katie Perry, so it's possible, it's possible.
	She's probably a mental.
	That's the thing.
	They're all mentals, I swear.
	I could see why.
	I imagine for her, somebody like her, he'd be good fun.
	I mean, she's coming from a preacher dad and all that kind of stuff, isn't she?
	He'd be a kind of wild child, good fun, all that kind of stuff, you know.
	I imagine that's just my guess.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, have you been watching his YouTube videos at all?
	No, no.
	I tell you what, they're surprisingly good.
	He's opinionated, isn't he?
	He's very opinionated.
	He is, but he's.
	I'll tell you what, this is going to sound awful.
	And to my American listeners, I apologise in advance, right?
	But there seems to be a problem with your culture's morality.
	I know that sounds awful, but I'm not joking.
	I'm absolutely serious, right?
	And I want to put it in Dungeons and Dragons terms because that's the easiest way for me to explain it, right?
	There's lawful good, which is obeying the law, but obeying the law because the laws are just.
	And then there's lawful neutral, which is obeying the law for the sake of the law.
	And I really think that America is, instead of being lawful, they've moved from lawful good to lawful neutral, or even lawful evil in some cases, and probably in the majority of cases of politicians, where the laws themselves are more important than the actions that the laws are trying to prescribe against.
	And that really worries me because that just means that all you need to do is make bad laws and then you'll have people who will follow those bad laws to the letter.
	And they'll be justified in doing so in their own minds.
	And that is why Russell Brand is doing so well in America.
	Because I've watched him on American Light.
	He hosted his own show for a while.
	And it was proper British morality that he's got.
	He knows what's right and wrong.
	And he knows it's the sort of thing that really is taught over because the laws are a lot less important over here than I think they are in America.
	We are so less about the laws, the letter of the law over here, I swear to God.
	And I mean, like, jaywalking, what the fuck is jaywalking?
	Oh, you know, you didn't cross the right place.
	I think jaywalking is there so that the police can hassle you if they know it's like throwing letters.
	You know, look there, they got Al Capone.
	You know, they didn't get him for what they wanted him for.
	So if there's somebody they suspect he's up to something wrong, they need to, as soon as there's something wrong, hey, you're jaywalking, we've got a right to search you now.
	You know, absolutely.
	That's the thing.
	It's about using the letter of the law to your own advantage rather than trying to interpret the law to create the best moral outcome that you can have.
	America's a sue culture, though.
	You get sued for anything, so people have to follow the letter of the law.
	I mean, exactly, but that raises the law above.
	Yeah, Russell Brown of the Westboro lot was amazing because he was incredibly fair.
	You know, the first thing that happens, they come out, right?
	They come out and everyone starts booing.
	And he's like, hey, you know, they've come somewhere that they know they're not welcome and they've been brave enough to do it anyway.
	And, you know, he was like, you know, give him some credit.
	And he's right, you know.
	But that's a surprisingly, I find a surprisingly British attitude, you know.
	And wouldn't that mean that Jeremy McKay would also do that?
	And Tricia would also do that?
	Because they can do that.
	I'm not saying it's a universal British attitude.
	No, no.
	Maybe it's the British attitude of people who go to America.
	Possibly.
	That's an interesting thing, because I think that he subconsciously has noticed that it's more about the letter of the law rather than the point of the moral imperative behind the law.
	Do you take him as honest?
	Do you think he's honest?
	I actually do.
	I actually do.
	I've been watching it.
	Check out his YouTube channel.
	He's surprisingly candid.
	And he's surprisingly on point.
	And it but yeah, someone put American companies a lawful evil.
	And Emh, absolutely right.
	And I think that that sort of that's been the case for some time.
	And I think it's really filtered down into the police and things like that.
	And it's, I mean, I've seen so many, so many videos of the attitude of the American police to just normal bystanders.
	It's so confrontational, and it's an oppressive attitude.
	Police have to have attitude because people mistake kindness for weakness, and the police can't give anyone the opportunity to view them as weak.
	And people will take advantage.
	I'm sure if it's a nice neighbourhood, the policeman, your policewoman can be nice and kind and sweet.
	But if it's like the city, you have to be a bit tough right at first so that right off the first foot, they know where they stand.
	I don't know, because I mean, I lived in Germany for eight years, and it's eight years?
	What the hell?
	Yeah, on an RAF camp.
	My dad was in the RAF.
	Does that mean you didn't have to learn German?
	Yeah, I don't know where.
	Actually, no, I know that Zug means train.
	Einbitter.
	Einbeer Bitter is one beer police.
	Did you know as well that I know it's got nothing to do with it?
	I just thought I'd bring up.
	People always say there's no ham in hamburgers.
	It's beef.
	But they're called hamburgers because of hamburg.
	Yeah.
	They were made in hamburger.
	A lot of people don't know that.
	They think it's because it's got ham in it.
	That's fair.
	So I was just going to say an update on the numbers there.
	That update numbers, well, I'm not there now, but it said 26,000 for yes, 38,000 for no.
	So the silent majority came out and were like, no, it's not.
	Yes.
	I mean, again, the people voting no didn't have to make any noise.
	So because they weren't wanting in and changed, so they didn't have to put any argument forward, really.
	Shetland have voted no.
	63%.
	Shetland have voted 64% no.
	So I mean, it's looking like, I mean, if Shetland said no, it's looking like, you know, it could go that way.
	I still don't know.
	I'm not taking it for granted.
	That's only three out of 32.
	So a lot of counts to do.
	Leviathan, just getting back to the point I was making, just quickly.
	Sorry.
	No, no, sorry.
	No, no, not at all.
	Not at all.
	He's like, in the video with the cop in Ferguson pointing the rifle and saying, I'll fucking kill you.
	It's disgusting.
	And there was another one with this cop.
	He's just yelling at these processes, bring on you fucking animals.
	And it's just like, you're meant to be a fucking cop, mate.
	Why are you taking this personally?
	You know, why are you taking this personally?
	Why are you pointing a gun at people if you're not planning to shoot them?
	And what worries me the most, I'm going to do a fucking.
	For the past like three months, since that Ferguson thing, whenever it was, I've been collecting evidence that I'm going to be putting into a video that's probably going to be quite a long and dramatic video.
	Just about the Ferguson?
	Is it just about that or police in general?
	More about just the future of policing in America.
	Because I don't think people quite understand where this is going.
	I don't think they know what resources the police have available to them and what the police have been doing and where they've been training.
	And it's really disturbing.
	But I'll get into another time.
	And it's the attitude of the police because you say that they've got to show this force, but when I was out in Germany, the police are all armed, and I never felt threatened by them.
	I never saw a policeman draw his gun.
	I never saw him even think about drawing the gun.
	It's a different kind of training.
	And the way that you treat people, it determines how they respond to you.
	And the American police, honestly, they act like an occupying force.
	As if they're there to beat down any kind of threat to their authority, any challenge to what they're saying is a problem.
	It's not whether the person's right or wrong, it's the fact that they've got the temerity to talk back.
	They can't do anything right, though.
	I mean, even when they're trying to do something right, they can't do something right.
	I mean, did you listen to the audio of that woman out of Django, whatever her fucking name is?
	Oh, no, I didn't.
	What happened, actually?
	What happened?
	Well, apparently, witnesses saw her and her boyfriend having sex in a car with a door open, right?
	So they called the police.
	It was lewd behaviour, so the police had a right to then approach them, right?
	The police approached them and said, look, people have called for lewd behaviour.
	The boyfriend negotiated with the police.
	I mean, sorry, cooperated with the police.
	Sorry.
	But she didn't.
	The audio right away, the first thing, straight off the bat, is it because I'm black, right?
	She then said to the police.
	No, it's because you're fucking in a car.
	Sorry.
	She then said to the police officer, What's your name?
	I'd like to introduce you to my publicist, right?
	Threatening to expose him as a racist.
	And even the police officer, and you can tell that this isn't new because the police officer right away said, oh, the race guard, I've never heard that one before.
	So this is a common thing, you know?
	And it's not just black people, you've got people all over the place pulling out cards, you know.
	And I think the police, if I was a police officer, firm is the word I would use.
	You have to be firm right up front.
	By the way, I'm not going to take any of your fucking shit, so don't even think about it.
	You don't need to swear, but you know what I mean?
	You need to give that attitude that don't even think about getting smart with me.
	I've got a problem to deal with.
	Let's sort it out.
	Whereas if you go in nice and polite Colombo style, half of these people would eat you alive, you know?
	Because they'd think, oh, he's kind or she's kind and sweet.
	I'll be able to take advantage.
	I don't know.
	I can understand why the police are tough.
	I'm sure that there are situations where that's happened.
	I'm sure that that's not unrepresentative of some situations.
	I am absolutely certain.
	But I can't help but think that this attitude, and it's a very confrontational and oppressive attitude.
	Now, I'll tell you what, one of the things that I can't stand to hear is when the American public, I've seen hundreds of these YouTube videos where they're filming their interactions with the police because they're afraid that the police are going to do something.
	I mean, the police kill more people than terrorists.
	And I'm not surprised because there are more cops than there are terrorists and there are more interactions.
	But the police shouldn't be killing so many people.
	They shouldn't be shooting so many people's dogs just because the public.
	I mean, it's not happening all the time.
	I mean, shoot people's dogs.
	I don't know how often that happens, but they're not always shooting people.
	A lot of police get shot as well.
	Of course they do.
	And it's also the kind of job as well, right?
	It's see if they do something.
	When's the last time you opened a newspaper?
	Police officer does something right.
	Nobody focuses on when they do their job right.
	If they do their job right and they're all polite and nice and everything goes fine, nobody hears about that.
	But as soon as something goes wrong, everybody hates.
	So the only time you really hear about the police is in a negative way.
	Yeah, that is true.
	That again, it's true.
	It's true.
	And I'm not trying to dismiss that.
	I'm really not trying to dismiss that.
	But it's more about the who was it Theresa May who said that in this country we police by consent.
	And in America they don't.
	And you can tell because people call American cops sir.
	And that word fucking.
	But they do that with shopkeepers as well, right?
	Thanks, sir.
	You know, and it's not necessarily that.
	But see another thing about police officers as well.
	They know that a lot of people don't like them.
	Now, if you were doing a job every day and you were trying to do the best you can do, but yet people still fucking hated you.
	Would you know eventually cop an attitude, you know, like, oh, fuck you, man.
	I can't believe I saw this work I'm doing and you still hate me.
	You know, it's just a thought.
	Yeah, no, it's true.
	And the thing is, that's the thing.
	None of these things aren't true.
	That's the problem.
	You know, that's why it's so difficult to have this conversation with anyone because, you know, what you say, there are bound to have been situations and probably not unique situations where, you know, not rare situations where this has happened.
	But there's this.
	There have been people who have come out of the police force and said, look, there's a culture in these police forces.
	And there is a serious issue with this culture, which it's best exemplified in the case of Ferguson, where you've got the cops pointing guns at protesters.
	You've got cops going, come on, you fucking animals, or whatever.
	And you just think, all right, all right.
	How long before one of those fucking cops shoots someone?
	The thing is that they're put in a position because of a group of people who are petty and don't understand anything.
	I mean, from everything that we know, this guy was shot from the front, so he wasn't walking away from the police.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	The guys are relevant.
	No, no, I'm just saying all these people are rioting over fucking nothing and they're giving the police a bad name.
	So the police shouldn't even have to be there, but it's because of these idiots and these race-baiters like Al Sharpton and the likes.
	They're the ones who are putting the police in this position where they haven't drawn their guns to make sure to let the people know that I'll fucking shoot you if you try anything.
	Because these people are holding sticks, bricks, and all sorts of shit, throwing them.
	I mean, over here, they wouldn't pull guns.
	They'd have the riot shields.
	See, now, this thing, Doctor 2, right?
	He's like, I don't know, even as an Englishman, if a policeman pulls me over, he's in a position of power over me.
	I call him sir.
	Nate, don't do that.
	He is actually not in a position of power over you.
	Absolutely not.
	It's pleasant, though, just to.
	I don't think it's subservient or anything to say sir.
	It fosters entirely the wrong attitude.
	Pleasant?
	No, no, it's.
	You can be polite and pleasant without calling him sir, because sir is a distinct marker of authority.
	And they don't have authority.
	The authority they have comes from you.
	You know what I mean?
	Like they said, it's police by consent.
	And that means that they are not any higher than you, and you are consenting to them enforcing the laws that we all live under.
	And someone else said the American cops, it's about authority.
	It's about making sure that no one can question their authority, even though that authority should never be unquestionable.
	And this is why America is turning into a police state.
	And there are plenty of reasons to justify it.
	And I'm going to try and do a really thorough job with this because I don't want to just be attacking cops.
	I think you should definitely do a thorough job because you will come under fire for it.
	I know.
	If you make any errors, people will attack you for it.
	I know, I know.
	That's why I haven't done it yet.
	Because Kev says me, that's the problem.
	The entire problem is they expect to be called Sir.
	You know, they've got that.
	And the thing is...
	That's different.
	That's different.
	I mean, that's.
	Sorry, I've got a bunch of videos and I've got quotes and stuff where people from the police force, they're like, look, they're hiring the wrong people.
	They're hiring the wrong people to become cops.
	And it cultivates this culture of conflict and us versus them.
	The German police were completely different, but they're armed in not the same way these days.
	but they're armed as your average American cop's armed but honestly it's not the same culture It's not this us versus them.
	It's more a sort of, you know, they're public servants rather than an occupying force.
	And I know I'm doing a hash job of it here, but honestly, I'm going to try and make a really fair case.
	But the thing is, as someone who sees the patterns of history, I'm telling you, I would be afraid of American police.
	I would be afraid to have any dealings with them whatsoever.
	And I know that paints all of them in a bad light.
	And I know there are some good ones.
	I saw this great one of this.
	I think it was a Texan cop or something.
	He had to pull some guy over because he was running a checkpoint or something.
	And he was forced to pull over.
	And he was, you know, this guy was like, oh, is this, you know, what about my costume's right?
	Absolutely, citizen.
	You should know this, this, and this.
	Good to go.
	You know, great, you know, know your rights, citizen.
	He was very much a constitutionalist, you know what I mean?
	And he wasn't an ego man.
	That was the difference, you know, because a lot of them take it personally.
	It's about their own egos, about feeling like the big man.
	And, you know, not all of them are like that.
	Most of them probably aren't, but there's a large percentage of them that are.
	And that's a worrying thing.
	You know, that's how a police state is formed.
	It's like the old, it's like, I know it's a cliche, but surely if you haven't done anything wrong, you shouldn't really have to worry about the police.
	If the police knocked on my door, says, right, you want to search a house?
	I'll go, sure, go for it.
	I haven't done anything wrong.
	I don't have any dead bodies in here, the outside.
	But just don't have any hide.
	I'm fine.
	I mean, I'd be annoyed at having the police searched or me searched, but I know the police have got a job to do.
	I've been stopped many times just walking along the street and the police say, oh, where are you going?
	Do you mind if we search you stuff like that?
	And I always say, sure, go ahead.
	Just skin off my nose because I'm not doing anything wrong.
	Surely it's only the people doing things wrong that have to really concern themselves with us.
	Yeah, again, there are other issues there.
	Like, you know, if they come up and ask, and you say, yeah, okay, that's fine, then that's fine.
	You know, but they've got no right to demand.
	You know, that's the thing.
	If you're not doing anything wrong and they don't have a warrant, they haven't got evidence of suspicion, you know, to give them suspicion, then they've got no right to demand because otherwise that's a presumption of guilt.
	But here, here, they have to ask, though, they do say, do you mind if we search you?
	I mean, there is a way out of it.
	As soon as the police stop you here, what you can say to them is instantly say to them, do I look like anyone you're currently looking for or have I done anything wrong?
	And if they say, no, no, then you can just walk on, say, right, we're finished here, because I've not done anything wrong.
	I don't look like someone who you're currently looking for, so don't have any business here.
	But then if you do that, that's copying an attitude, and attitude breeds attitude, and then they start to get snarky.
	But still, me, I just cooperate because I don't really hide.
	Well, no, of course you don't.
	But it's more the you shouldn't have to worry whether you've got something to hide or not.
	If they've got no reason to suspect, there shouldn't be a conversation happening.
	But I mean, yeah, I mean, the things.
	Can you imagine having that kind of attitude to an American cop and the encounter going in your favour?
	Don't know.
	But I've not done anything wrong, but they've stopped me.
	Yeah, and you say, you know, do I look like someone that you're looking for?
	Have I done something wrong?
	And they go, no.
	And you're like, well, I'm just going to walk off then.
	Do you think they'd just let you go?
	Do you think they'd have to do that?
	Well, if it's the same laws here, they wouldn't really have a choice.
	I mean, and these days as well, most police are carrying recording equipment.
	They don't control that recording equipment.
	Yeah, but the thing is, sorry, there have been several cases where the police department have refused to release the recordings of what's happened.
	Because, and that's another thing.
	They're never punished for what they do wrong.
	They're never punished for what they do wrong in the United States.
	It's really worrying.
	Really worrying because that is a true sign of a police state.
	And I know that it's hyperbolic language, but I'm really serious that I would be afraid if I was.
	If you say this in the video you're planning on making, I think you'll have to show clear examples where they've done something wrong and never got punished.
	You know, because people will say, well, what do you mean?
	And I'm sure you'll find some, but a lot of what the police do is considered wrong by people and it's not.
	You know, like, for example, the Michael Brown thing.
	All the details I have about that, I don't think the policeman was wrong.
	I don't.
	I don't think he was at all, really.
	I'm actually really, I don't really care about the Michael Brown thing and the action rights.
	And I don't really care about the fact that they were rioting.
	I don't think it's very right, but it's more the larger implications.
	People getting too focused on these small details.
	And I can see why, because, you know, I can see there'd be a lot of personal investment there.
	But if you look at the larger picture, it's like, right, okay, this is bad.
	You know, it's bad when the American cops are just running around pointing guns at people who are protesting.
	Someone's going to fire a shot, someone's going to fire a shot back, and then you're going to have a massacre.
	You know, that's what's going to happen.
	And it's.
	Yeah, I just wanted to say that I haven't actually seen this footage.
	I mean, I'm going on what you're saying.
	I believe it's.
	I just haven't seen the footage of the police pointing guns at the rioters.
	I haven't seen that.
	I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
	I just haven't seen it.
	Okay, Han.
	Oh, have you got a picture?
	Cool.
	Yeah, yeah, I'll grab it.
	There's pretty there we go.
	Right, I'll just share that.
	Thanks.
	I mean, this is something.
	Why are these cops?
	Look at them.
	They're fucking pointing their gun at this dude who's got his hands in the air.
	What you can see there is one dude who's behind this one dude and are those bullets rubber bullets or are they real fucking because they're probably rubber bullets probably some tear gas there as well because they've got the masks on so there will be tear gas there.
	It's just basic crowd control.
	I don't think anybody's at risk of being killed because that'll be rubber bullets there.
	And although you see that one guy standing there like that, you don't know what's going on right behind him because it seems unusual they're all standing there like that for this one guy.
	I think there's got to be more and look at the look look at the little sign there as well look fuck the police.
	I mean, it's like going into an area where they know they're hated and they know that people are angry and upset and they also know that these people riot and look, they know this, they know this throughout history, so they've got to go with the riot gear, because that's, that's what it is.
	That'll be tear gas and rubber bullets.
	They won't be fucking big giant.
	You know m16 full bullets or anything like that.
	I seriously doubt it.
	No, of course not.
	I doubt they are as well the the.
	The problem right, is that if you're trying to do riot control or crowd control, this is provocative.
	You know this doesn't calm anything down.
	This doesn't help dissolve the tension, this just escalates it.
	You know, by a long way and I mean, no soldier would do that.
	You know, no soldier in an occupy, an occupying soldier in like an occupied area of the world, would be trained to storm in there like this.
	They'd be trained to stand up.
	Guys are trained to do this, so they're not deciding themselves.
	This is what we need to do.
	They've been trained and followed.
	They're following orders absolutely, and I think that's the training, the orders, that are wrong.
	But I don't think this picture's showing the full picture, you know, because it does look.
	It looks bad, but then, if I'm right, and that's rubber bullets and it's tear gas and there's a bigger crowd behind that guy, you know, swinging about like a bunch of fucking lunatics.
	You know, I can understand them being there.
	Yeah, I agree that that that is entirely possible and I it would be justified, but it's still, I mean what what?
	You know?
	A line of cops pointing shotguns at.
	You have to keep these people, you have to keep these people in line, and that'll be beanbags.
	That won't be real shotguns.
	That'll be like, well, look at the bullets, the bullets at the side it does look like real bullets um, but it could be the beanbag shots as well.
	You know, you see, they've got the, they've got the tie straps ready.
	Yeah, I'm sure they are, I'm sure they are beanbags.
	But the point is it's yeah, like I say, the show of force begins, the presumption of conflict.
	You know, there's a story about the first Gulf War that I can't remember where I heard it, but it's a fucking brilliant one.
	It was in, like, Fallujah or something.
	And there was a huge crowd of Iraqi civilians who were absolutely raging outside of the military base.
	And the Americans got out like this.
	You know, they're there with their guns and stuff like that.
	I think it was Dan Carlin that I got this story from.
	And the British, we put a fucking table out with a little sign saying, Complaints!
	And obviously, people calmed down and queued up and gave their fucking complaints.
	Yes.
	You know, and it's, just like it's about how you treat people, that that's how they respond.
	It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	You know, it depends what the people are like, but if the people have a history of rioting and looting, you need these people to go in because they need to be told we're going to.
	We hate to keep you in line to make sure you don't cause havoc.
	I mean, I've said before and I know it seems extreme, but I'm not exaggerating, I was talking about Chicago and Detroit.
	I think they should declare martial law there.
	Black men in those cities are killing each other all the fucking time and obviously Al Shapton doesn't say anything about it.
	I think they should declare martial law.
	Just send the troops in and put a fucking end to this bullshit because I guarantee you, and I know that sounds racist, but see if that was a fucking white area, they'd have done it long ago.
	And the reason they'd have done it long ago was because they could have done it without being called racist.
	You know, if a white neighbourhood was behaving like that, white people killing each other over and over all the time, they would send the troops in to deal with it.
	Because they could.
	Nobody would say they were racist, but they can't do it with Detroit or Chicago because that would be racist.
	Yeah, but it's more the chicken and the egg thing, then, though, really, isn't it?
	It's like, do they hate the cops because they're bad people, or do they hate the cops because the cops have been bad to them on an individual level?
	Not always been bad to them.
	I've heard all this shit before.
	They're raised to hate police.
	They're not allowed to like police.
	They've got a no-snitching policy.
	They put things in place in police stations in America to try and get more black people in to become police officers.
	None of them want to do it because it's seen as a bad thing.
	They hate the fucking police.
	They're almost raised to hate them.
	And I don't know, man.
	That's true.
	That's the thing.
	There are so many things that you can say that are true.
	But the thing is, on the other side, I've seen interviews with these people who are like, well, I was going to join the police.
	And then I went through the training and I got bullied because I was black.
	And they were quite racist to me, so I left.
	And it's just like, right, who's very sceptical of all these stories because I've heard them all before.
	And when you dig deep, as I pointed out earlier, that one we share, that wasn't racist.
	But that gets classed as racism.
	I don't know if you ever heard the one from this, from Britain, right?
	This is from a few years ago.
	Because of the humour, you might have heard that about the jelly babies, the black jelly baby.
	Did you ever hear about this one?
	No, I didn't.
	There's a guy, he's working, a black guy, and there's two white guys at another table, and they're eating jelly babies, right?
	Right.
	And he said that he was discriminated against and racially mistreated at his work because they were biting the heads off black jelly babies to annoy him.
	Now, that's not racist.
	We need to calm the fuck down with this shit.
	Racism is racism.
	But let's stop saying things that are not racist or racist when they're fucking not.
	And you get it here as well, especially in London.
	God.
	Oh, I've been pulled up this many times, you know, in my car.
	It's cause I'm black.
	But you've got white people saying, but I get pulled up all the time as well.
	I never even considered my skin colour.
	You know, if a black person, especially in America, goes through something, the first thing they think is, is it cause I'm black?
	Yeah.
	I said before that these people bug me because they think they can't be an asshole.
	Because if I was to say some black guy, oh, he's an asshole.
	Oh, you're racist.
	It's nothing to do with his race.
	It's because he's a fucking asshole.
	But they think they can't be assholes.
	How arrogant.
	Yeah, again, I completely agree.
	I can't disagree with anything what you're saying.
	But the thing is, I don't think that invalidates what I'm saying either.
	That's the thing.
	They're not trained to hate the firemen, are they?
	Because the firemen come over and put out fires for them, so they're doing them a service.
	And I'm not saying that all the police are racist or anything like that, but there's a bad culture in American police at the moment.
	I've got a bunch of stuff that I'll be going through in the video.
	And it's a Tinderbox.
	Something's going to happen.
	There's going to be a massacre.
	One of these.
	And these cops aren't the brightest of people.
	They take it personally.
	And yeah, these protesters are no better, but the cops are the ones with the guns and the tanks and the grenade launchers.
	I'm not joking, they have grenade launchers.
	I'm not joking.
	I'm not joking.
	It's given to them by the US government.
	I've got all the documentation.
	And it's just like, you know, so, you know, no matter what.
	Sorry, I just wanted to say, others, see the grenade launchers.
	Is that a technicality?
	Do they not need them for the tear gas?
	And not necessarily grenades.
	Let me just get them.
	Just in case it's a technical thing where they do have them, but they're not actually using them for grenades.
	They're using them for tear gas.
	I imagine it would be a similar thing that fires tear gas.
	I'll just get it.
	Hang on.
	So I've got a lot of links.
	Oh, just quickly update you.
	36,000 for yes, 49,000 for no.
	Oh.
	That's 4 out of 32, Dan.
	So it's the point, so to speak.
	Now.
	Sorry, you're probably going to have to listen to this advert while I can't shut it up.
	I'm still listening.
	I'm just going to go for a piss.
	Sorry about this, everyone.
	Finally, I have some control of this fucking video.
	Right, and this is actually not the best article.
	Sorry about this, guys.
	Okay, from the Guardian here.
	US school districts given free machine guns and grenade launchers.
	M16 rifles, mine-proof vehicles, and other, and calls to hand this equipment back after it was just given by the government.
	And it's just like, why?
	Why would you...
	What do you think the...
	Why would the American police need this?
	This is a military vehicle, you know?
	It's not necessary.
	It's absolutely not necessary.
	And, you know.
	So I know it's not necessary, but maybe it's just to let them know that, see, in case you're thinking of trying to get smarter here and riot, don't, because we've got this power here and you don't want us to use this.
	It's just a threat, it's just a front, you know, letting them know that, hey, no, no, no, no.
	Don't be doing that shit.
	We brought in the best tools for the job, so don't go messing about.
	I just see it as a warning.
	They don't even plan on using it.
	It's just a warning.
	Well, yeah, but the thing is that then you've got the sort of egotistical bringing on your fucking animals and all that sort of stuff.
	And it's just like there's a quote in the Iliad.
	The blade itself incites to violence.
	Just having these things makes them want to use them.
	That's going to be the main thrust of what I'm doing.
	You know, there's no point having these things.
	They don't need these things.
	They don't really need these things.
	You don't really need armed police at the airport either.
	Now, I don't know what they're likely to do, you know, but they're there to show people that we're here.
	So don't even fucking think about messing about that.
	They're not there to do a job.
	It's like they say about karate, you learn karate so you don't need to use it.
	They have these tanks and fucking things so that they don't need to use it.
	Just to let the rest of them know, don't fucking even start your shit.
	To let them know, look, we're serious here, okay?
	Look, what we brought with us.
	I don't know.
	I like that tactic because it lets them know from the start.
	Like, don't fucking mess about, you know?
	We're here to control this situation, and we've brought the best of gear to do that.
	So no messing about.
	It's just a threat, and it's a warning.
	It's a warning to them.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, it is.
	It is.
	But it's never going to resolve anything.
	It's only going to escalate the situation.
	That's the thing.
	This is the thing.
	None of this is about de-escalation.
	It's all about escalation.
	It is easy to point to all the weapons and the tanks and armoured vehicles and sailors a bit overboard.
	But it is America and a lot of people are armed in America.
	V-bombs the bomber, man.
	I'm sorry.
	Weapons actually do.
	It's psychological, mate.
	There's a reason that 3,000 years ago, Homer wrote down the blade itself incites to violence.
	Nothing has changed, man.
	Nothing has changed.
	If you've got a weapon, it's an option.
	No.
	If it's an option, eventually you're going to use it.
	If it's not an option, it won't be used.
	I'm not saying that guns are the reason people kill people or anything like that.
	And I'm not saying that guns kill people and people don't kill people.
	None of that sort of stuff.
	It's about people having the option to use these things when they shouldn't really have the option.
	And with the option, it's going to happen.
	It's going to happen.
	And, you know, honestly, one day you're going to see a massacre and it's going to be shocking, I imagine.
	But anyway, yeah, this.
	V-Bombs is saying to me we should be able to fight police tyranny if needed.
	I absolutely agree.
	I believe the Second Amendment almost covers that, does it not?
	I think it might cover that.
	I'm not sure.
	Maybe it's just the government.
	But anyway, yes, of course you should.
	You shouldn't let the police break the rules.
	But they have got to show that we're not to be messed with.
	That's just what I think.
	That's true.
	I mean, you know, that's the thing.
	it's a fine balancing act there's no one right silver bullet answer you know But it's the problem is it's going too far in one direction.
	And I'm trying to warn, I just want to warn people, look, and I swear this is all for my own conscience, really, just so I can say that I've tried to tell people this.
	I can at least feel a bit better about myself.
	I'm looking forward to your video on it, though, now that you've talked about it.
	It'll be a good video.
	You'll get a lot of responses on that, I think, because it's one of those subjects, you know.
	Yeah, oh, yeah, absolutely.
	I'm not expecting everyone to just go, oh, yeah, that was exactly exactly how it should be.
	Everything about that was right, you know.
	I wouldn't expect anyone to say anything about that.
	No one ever says that about any of my videos.
	But it's, you know, I think, I don't want to misrepresent the police, you know, because there are plenty of good policemen, and I know that there are some serious, I mean, there have been, like, districts in the sort of Midwest that have just been like, you know what, we're not going to do what the US government's telling us to do.
	I'll find it.
	I can't remember exactly where it was.
	But they've been given federal orders or whatever.
	And they've been like, no.
	That's anti-constitutional or something.
	But this is the thing.
	The stage is being set for a civil war.
	Whether they mean to or not, it doesn't even matter if it's a conspiracy.
	Whether they mean to or not, it's all coming about.
	And it could be stopped.
	It doesn't have to be a gun.
	Between who, though, do you mean between people and the police or between black and white?
	Between the government and the people.
	The government and the people, right?
	That's why there is.
	I mean, I'm pretty sure any Americans here can probably vouch that there's probably quite a there's definitely a very much sort of anti-gun undercurrent in like American sort of news, isn't there?
	You know, there seems to be a lot of they're coming for our guns, at least from what I see anyway, you know.
	But they are.
	They are.
	I mean, they keep trying to change the rules a bit at a time.
	Yeah, that's it.
	It would be foolish for the government to take on the people because the people are allowed to shoot back.
	Wow.
	That's the thing.
	The government's been arming themselves, you know.
	The government's been arming themselves.
	And they've been.
	I'm not even saying this is all deliberate.
	I think it may well just be the natural circumstances that arise in conditions like this.
	But you've got a bunch of really, you know, egotistical bringing on you fucking animals.
	You know, their ego is tied to their position.
	You know, it's very much, oh, I'm a cop, I'm with the authority.
	So they're going to defend the government, especially when the government's given fucking shiny toys like this.
	And then I imagine the police get paid alright in America.
	I imagine they do.
	Yeah, and they've got social prestige.
	They don't want to let that go.
	And with the amount of wealth inequality at the moment, you really are seeing a direct stratification between the societies.
	And I'm telling you, not even a civil war necessarily.
	It's going to be the people versus the police and the army.
	In fact, that's another thing.
	It might not even be the army, you know what I mean?
	But it's the government versus the people.
	And the government knows it's coming and they're preparing for it.
	But that would be the army, wouldn't it?
	The government versus the people would be the army versus the people.
	In a way, they'd have to take orders, wouldn't they?
	When you're saying, do the police get paid a lot?
	I was going to say I think they get paid a lot, but they die one day before retirement.
	Just like in the movies.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, it's stuff that worries me, man.
	Because just literally just read.
	Just read about what's happened in the last 500 years sort of thing.
	You'll start to see, you'll see the patterns, you know, where you get enfranchised classes and disenfranchised classes.
	And I'll tell you what, the Americans, don't give up your guns.
	Just don't do it.
	I am not for guns.
	I'm not pro-guns.
	I would hate to live in a country where there were guns everywhere.
	But this is the problem, the fundamental problem with republics.
	Republics don't last.
	They're not a tenable system of government.
	So, you know, they all come to an end.
	They all devolve into tyranny.
	So, yeah, just don't give up your guns.
	Americans will never give up their guns.
	Americans love guns, man.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's actually part of their identity.
	We never had a Wild West, so we don't have guns.
	We don't have that.
	But Americans love their guns, man.
	They fucking love them, man.
	I'm totally in favour of guns in America.
	I hate all these anti-gun mob and the excuses they come out with and the rubbish that come out with.
	Did you see that one where and it was really stupid?
	I think that guy T covered it, right?
	And it was showing you that the woman at home alone with a child and the evil father is coming around to abuse her or something.
	God knows.
	And it's like, oh no, he's got a gun, so we need to ban guns.
	And it's like, well, hang on a minute, hang on a minute.
	Why don't you leave things the way they are?
	And she can have a fucking gun to protect herself, you fucking numpties.
	I want to backfire their beauty on them, man.
	I remember after one school shooting, though, it gets ridiculous, though, doesn't it?
	Because they were like, you know, oh, you know, well, we should ban guns.
	Actually, what we should do is give the teachers guns.
	It's like, all right, all right, okay.
	There has to be a better solution than arming teachers now.
	It would make the average gun school shooter think twice.
	If they knew the teachers were armed.
	I mean, that would make them think twice.
	Really would.
	Well, it would.
	Of course it would.
	But then you...
	Although Wales can prevent skill shootings, right?
	This is a genius idea.
	Put up signs on the school saying no guns allowed.
	That'll work for the sake because criminals always call warriors.
	Yeah, that's dumb as shit.
	That's what a lot of them depend on, you know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, someone brought up France.
	France is on its fourth republic in the last 200 years.
	You know what I mean?
	This is what I'm talking about.
	Republics don't last.
	They're not a long-term.
	France was on fire a couple of years ago, remember?
	Paris was on fucking fire.
	So was London.
	Cars burning all over the place, man.
	It's actually a great place, France.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	You know, this is the thing.
	I tell you what, this is what pisses me off about the people who are like, get rid of the monarchy.
	It's like, hang on, hang on.
	If you hadn't noticed, the British monarchy has been an incredibly, probably the most stable form of government in the whole world, you know, in all of history.
	You know, Queen Elizabeth II can trace her lineage back to William the Conqueror and Harold II, the two generals at the Battle of Hastings.
	I can understand the argument in this day and age for not having the monarchy, but I like the monarchy there.
	It's quirky, I think.
	You know, if we go look at it like that, I know our tax money pays for it, but it's quirky, it's interesting, it makes us a bit different than everybody else.
	I tell you what, from a political point of view, the monarchy is a shockingly important institution because they are the people who the army and the armed forces declare their loyalty to.
	They don't pledge their loyalty to David Cameron.
	He has to ask the Queen if he can be Prime Minister.
	Exactly.
	He has to get her permission.
	And yet the Queen, I can't remember.
	It's something like 200 or 300 years ago was the last time a British monarch tried to interfere in government, which is the perfect combination.
	In this day and age as well, the Queen or Prince Charles, if he gets it, they would never actually refuse somebody who was voted Prime Minister.
	They would never actually do that anyway.
	It's just all procedure, tradition.
	Yeah, it is.
	It absolutely is.
	But it is good for foreign relations as well.
	But it's more the sort of constitutional safeguard.
	If we had some sort of, if the BNP got into power and truth things, you're right.
	The Queen is a figurehead with no power technically.
	De facto no power.
	But did you?
	She could have me killed.
	She could have me killed.
	I think she's got some power.
	She owns the armed forces.
	I think she's got some power.
	Yeah, but that's the thing.
	But she can't use them because popular will.
	That's true.
	That's the reason.
	That's the thing.
	It's a very fine balance that we have.
	And it's an incredibly useful balance.
	And it really does prevent tyranny in this country.
	Do you think so?
	Absolutely.
	I know so.
	I know it.
	And I'm saying this because I've seen so many monarchies that defended tyranny by just reading a book.
	You can see it over and over.
	And no, I don't think Prince Charles can run for Prime Minister.
	I'd have to look it up, but I'm not even sure he can.
	Even if he wanted to, that's not possible.
	I would have to look.
	I think that's interesting.
	Yeah, I think it would be the sort of thing that would cause some sort of constitutional crisis in this country, though.
	Well, see if it is possible.
	I vote Harry.
	He's fucking brilliant.
	I loved it when he was pressing ass.
	Yeah.
	Did you see him playing wheelchair basketball?
	Did you see that?
	I didn't, actually.
	That's awesome.
	He was playing.
	He was on a wheelchair and he was playing basketball with other disabled basketball players.
	It was quite cool, you know.
	And you can tell he enjoys that role, you know.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He's a bit of a character, but I like Harry.
	Harry's good.
	I like him a lot.
	He's not a known giver of fucks, you know what I mean?
	That's surprising for someone of his profile.
	You'd think that, you know, you'd think that he would be under more pressure to be a bit bigger.
	I think he's allowed to, whereas William, he's not allowed to.
	He's not allowed to misbehave, whereas Harry, they just say, do what you want.
	You know, because it's just the way it is, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I always feel.
	I watched an interview with Charles a while ago.
	And I can't remember.
	It's quite late now, so I'm wondering if I'm remembering this wrong.
	But I'm sure it was someone asked him, you know, are you looking forward to being king or something?
	He's like, no, because that would be my mum's dad.
	Something along those lines, you know.
	And it's just like, you know, come on, you know, he is a human being.
	He'll never be king anyway.
	He'll bypass it.
	Yeah, I think he's.
	If the queen died today, he would say no and give it to William, I think, because he's getting on as well.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He wants to retire soon, surely.
	I don't think he's interested, to be honest.
	I don't think he's interested in it.
	Alien Gearbox is asking us to talk about Scandinavia, Sweden in particular.
	Do you know anything about Sweden other than it being a feminist shithole?
	It's a feminist shithole, isn't it?
	Come on, Swedish men, get your balls back.
	What's going on?
	But the women get a good name there for the looks, for their looks, not for their beliefs.
	God.
	But the Swedish women are known for being lookers, but there must be ugly Swedish women.
	It's just the law of averages, you know.
	They just keep them very well hidden, don't they?
	I think they do.
	They're not allowed outside, like in fucking Saudi Arabia.
	So, yeah, I don't really know that much, but I should look into Sweden a bit more because I don't really know all that much because everyone knows that it's just a disgusting feminist hellhole.
	So good luck, Swedish guys.
	I've had a lot of stories from Sweden, but I just can't think of any right now.
	But don't they have a is it them that have the feminist party?
	Yes, that's what that's what Harmon and all that wants copy.
	I was in Sweden where they tried to pass the law to get men to sit down in the toilet.
	Yeah.
	To get rid of urinals.
	I mean, unless you hated men, why would you put that forward as an idea?
	Unless you're trying to make men into women as well.
	They hate masculinity.
	That's it, isn't it?
	And yeah, the rise of Islam in Sweden is quite troubling.
	I love the Poland ball memes, and they're like geopolitical satire memes.
	And there's this brilliant one of Sweden, like a little Swedish flag in the shape of a ball, wearing a burqa.
	And it's just the funniest thing.
	It's just going, aloh, akbork.
	It's hilarious.
	But yeah, it's um, yeah, I, I mean, they've got a feminist movie rating system where sorry, don't forget ABBA well yeah, on on their films, they've got like it if it's a feminist rated film or not and it's just like wow, that's what, it's safe for feminists or they wouldn't.
	You know what the f?
	Yeah, exactly if, if it's safe for feminists or not, and it's just like wow, that's that's.
	That's disturbing at best, you know.
	But um it's, it's half three, so I'm getting a bit tired.
	Bring it to an end.
	Yes, I think we probably should.
	Um, I've had a really good time, though I've got to say, me too, we'll do, we'll do this again.
	It's a lot sooner than normal because, you know, I've really missed hanging out and having these conversations because everyone, everyone loves it when I have you on man, so well.
	You know, I'm always usually Fridays.
	Fridays and Saturdays are my best days anyway.
	So yeah yeah, I would have done if I wasn't busy this weekend, but I would.
	I do want to do one with a feminist.
	I don't do a lot of hangouts, but I do want to do when we're a feminist.
	So if you happen to get one who's interested, you know, even if it's house two and her or whatever, just you know, we'll see if we can get her for both sides of the argument, I think it would be interesting, you know.
	Yeah, I mean, I'd be happy to act as a mediator and not be on, you know, but I again, it's, it's finding a feminist, you'll do it.
	We won't, you know.
	And if any, if any of you guys can like, if you, if you come across feminists who are interested in talking to people on this side or something like that.
	You know we, we would treat them with the greatest deal of respect, like I did with Liana.
	You know, it's not about attacking them.
	We just want to hear their views and get, have a, have a discussion and, you know really, and try and persuade them to think about it from a different perspective.
	You know, that's what?
	Well, that's what I would want to do.
	What about yourself?
	Well I'd, I would just say, just want to have a, a chat with them.
	Nothing, nothing structured, nothing too serious.
	You know, none of that.
	You get two minutes, I get two minutes.
	Bullshit, none of that crap, just chat.
	You know, and I would, I would be very nice.
	Anyway, I wouldn't be a bastard, you know, yeah.
	So guys guys, if you guys can find anyone like, tweet us or something like that.
	And come on Claudia yeah get, get Claudia, we want to talk to her, because I can't get Marina shut up.
	I was a dicker, I don't.
	I don't think.
	I don't think Claudia realizes that we actually like her.
	Yeah, we think she's alright and we think she's nice.
	We just think she's wrong.
	Yeah yeah, I think she's been just brainwashed a bit.
	You know it's, you know, but yeah, I've actually watched all her Game Of Throne videos and they're very interesting and I actually would like to talk to her about them because she she, I don't know whether you watch it, but she really likes, and so stark, and she's a really dull character and she's only just become interesting and oh, I don't know anyway.
	But yeah, do you think Claudia passes as a geek, do you think?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think she's into the things that she says.
	Yeah yeah, I think so.
	Yeah, I think she's quite a genuine person.
	I think that she genuinely thinks that, you know, she wants to do the right thing and she thinks that feminism is doing the right thing, but probably because she's quite young, you know.
	And I'll tell you what, if we could get Christine Summers on, I would adore having Christine Summers on, but we're Small FRY and she's quite a big name so, or?
	Or a Janet Bloomfield.
	She really is lovely.
	Christine Summers, is she not anti-feminist?
	If I got the wrong name, she's the factual feminist, which makes her an anti-feminist.
	Oh, no, no, she's very good at it.
	She's very nice.
	I like her.
	What I love, though, is that all she does is make anti-feminist points to the feminists.
	And it's just like, that's the thing.
	That's the thing, Christine.
	You can't really be a feminist and be in favour of the facts anymore.
	And she's obviously coming to this realization.
	And things, I feel bad for her because I bet she's gutted that a movement that she was probably quite proud to be part of at one point has become what it's become.
	But at least she's honest enough to realize.
	She seems like a lady with a lot of integrity, and I would like to have a conversation with her.
	Yes, she's nice.
	Yes.
	I like her.
	Yeah, but I think all this would be.
	This is all more likely, I think, if you guys talk to these people for us because it makes it seem like we have an audience, basically.
	And I think that people want to speak to people who have an audience, you know.
	But yeah, so yeah, I guess that's.
	Do you want to talk us out?
	Okay, then.
	Well, I'll just quickly say thank you to everybody for listening.
	It was fun talking to you, Sargon.
	And, well, we'll leave it there for now, shall we?
	So thank you for listening.

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