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May 1, 2026 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 5340: Redistricting Spreads Across The US; May Day And Continued Rise Of Marxism In America

Bannon's War Room Episode 5340 examines Florida and Louisiana's emergency redistricting to secure Republican seats, which hosts condemn as unconstitutional gerrymandering blocking the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. The episode then pivots to May Day 2026, where guests Jack Posobiec and Dr. Bradley Thayer label it a "high holy day of Bolshevism," alleging Soros-funded neo-Marxists use Cheka-style terror to erase American identity via DEI and transgender agendas. Ultimately, the discussion frames these parallel threats as coordinated efforts by organized minorities to destabilize Western civilization through propaganda and radicalized youth. [Automatically generated summary]

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Participants
Main
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alex degrasse
r 07:09
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bradley thayer
06:21
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jack posobiec
r 11:01
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steve bannon
r 14:02
Appearances
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chris hayes
msnow 01:47
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eddie s glaude-jr
01:04
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marc elias
01:53
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Speaker Time Text
Redistricting War Backfires 00:14:30
chris hayes
Donald Trump kicked off this redistricting war a year ago.
It was all him in an attempt to fortify a Republican majority in Congress to kind of insulate it from the voters.
And then Democrats responded by asking voters in California and Virginia to bring things back to par.
Basically, literally just return to an even playing field so that neither party had an advantage.
And now, of course, because Republicans cannot tolerate an even playing field, the Trump Supreme Court just helped start a new, even more egregious round of gerrymandering.
Republicans are once again Rigging things at lightning speed with no input from voters.
So, just yesterday, the Florida legislature in one day passed new maps that carve up Democratic districts to create up to four new Republican seats.
We're now waiting on Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, where Republicans have all indicated their desires to seize more power for their party.
The current map and the proposed map, you can see the proposed map gets much redder.
Nothing is guaranteed.
The voters still get a say, but here's my question.
There was reticence from Florida to do this for a long time, even though they have a trifecta and they've got super majorities.
So, why did they turn on a dime and do it in one day?
marc elias
Because Ron DeSantis is sucking up to Donald Trump.
I mean, the fact is, this may very well backfire on Republicans.
I don't think there's a member of the House conference from Florida that wanted this.
You know, they're settled with an unpopular president.
They see what the special elections and the off year elections have brought.
And so, this may wind up backfiring on them.
But for Ron DeSantis' standpoint, What he is doing is saying, okay, Donald Trump, you want us to gerrymander, you want us to be extreme, you want us to disenfranchise minority voters.
We can do it all like that.
And by the way, Chris, it's in direct violation, direct violation of a state constitutional provision that bans partisan gerrymandering.
I mean, it was put in the Constitution by the people of Florida as a ballot measure.
Republicans, after it was put in, tried to cheat after the 2010 cycle census.
I sued.
We won.
We got a redraw.
Now we're back.
They're doing it again, and we're going to sue again.
eddie s glaude-jr
Absolutely right in this regard.
So there are these moments that are explicit about the agenda that is being pursued here, Alicia.
But, you know, as you were talking, I guess I kept thinking about how we ought to respond to this, right?
And I kept thinking about, you know, people were telling the Democrats, expecting the Democrats to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act to deal with the gutting of the Voting Rights Act with regards to pre-clearance anticipation of Section 2.
But people were hiding behind Joe Manchin.
It wasn't just Joe Manchin blocking it.
There were some other Democrats behind it blocking it.
So part of what I'm suggesting, if we're telling a story that's true, it seems to me that the Democrats need to put forward an agenda, a program, a response, a programmatic response that is at scale to what we are experiencing.
And that's going to require naming what you've just laid out, right?
And being honest about what we're encountering.
Instead of, shall we say, rhetorical gestures.
chris hayes
Now I want to move to Louisiana where something really crazy happened today.
They are already voting in Louisiana, okay?
They have already started early voting for the primaries in that state for their congressional districts.
The governor, Republican governor Landry, Jeff Landry, declared a state of emergency today.
The emergency, unclear what the emergency is, there's not a hurricane.
To stop the primary elections and hereby suspend them so they can draw another map.
We have word that two voters have already sued against that.
What do you make of what's happening in Louisiana?
marc elias
Yeah, first of all, that won't be the last lawsuit.
I'll just announce first on this program.
There will be more litigation coming in the near future.
But look, I think that we need to understand this as both a redistricting story, but also as a democracy story.
The redistricting story is very clear, which is that the state of Louisiana is trying to cancel these elections so that they can gerrymander and disenfranchise black voters.
But the larger democracy story, Chris, and I think you got it exactly right, is the governor has declared a state of emergency.
To cancel, to suspend an ongoing election that he does not like the direction in which it's going.
Now, I wonder, Chris, when we get to next November, when we get to the general election, whether or not we will have, for example, a president of the United States who will think he can do this.
And if we do not sort of put a stake in the ground now and say that you do not get to declare an emergency and suspend voting and sort of restart things because you don't like how things are going, if we don't do that now, it's not going to make it easier for us to do it in November.
chris hayes
Yeah, look, I mean, there's hardball and then there's like authoritarianism, and there's a line between them, right?
It's like, if you, you know, for instance, like, you know, what they, you know.
steve bannon
Thank you, Denver.
No, we can't do it now.
We are doing it now because it's unconstitutional.
You guys have rigged this thing with this phony Voting Rights Act for decade after decade after decade after decade, and people are too gutless to challenge it in the South.
It got challenged and it cratered 6 3.
This was not close.
And Alito buried you.
Alex DeGrasse, let's go around the horn.
First off, what's your response to their general?
And they are in meltdown like I have not seen because they understand they cannot stop.
The only thing that can stop us is ourselves.
There's nothing they can do, folks.
Go ahead, Alex.
marc elias
Yeah, that's right, Steve.
alex degrasse
I think, like, obviously they're in total free fall because I think if you look at the map and where seats will be able to shift, because this is super important for the posse.
Those out there conversing with folks is, you know, they have been gerrymandering for decades, not only just through taking advantage of the voting rights section of the Voting Rights Act, but also obviously in all of these blue states.
So we have way more seats that Republican states can pick up because not just of the VRA issue, but of just the fact that we haven't necessarily gerrymandered as much as they have.
I mean, that's just an objective fact.
I mean, studies have shown that to be the case.
You look at obviously New England, you look at California, even before Steve.
So I think it's important to really back up and look, okay.
2020, 2022, we were on the show.
We were hammering states, we were redistricting through the normal process.
And one of the real ways the Democrats obviously rigged this thing in some of these blue states is they've got these phony commissions, Steve.
And we used to talk about that.
I mean, I used to be in the room, I was in leadership, Steve.
Remember those days?
You know, many people on our side said, Hey, look, a commission's better than the state legislator.
We take what we can get, blah, blah, blah.
We move on.
And see, these commissions totally got the whole thing rigged.
You look at New Jersey, you look at New York, you look at obviously in California, where they had a commission.
Again, this is important.
The original California map.
Was even more gerrymandered based off vote share than the quote unquote gerrymandered current Texas map.
Okay, before Newsom jammed this thing through.
So these guys are total frauds.
You know, Obama obviously one day is pushing for the gerrymander in Virginia, the next day he's having a meltdown on racial matters.
All of this is coordinated.
All of this is coming from the top of the most powerful rings of the Democrat Party because they see this as a grave threat to their power base because this whole thing is collapsing on the basis of the Constitution.
You look at Kagan's response, 60 pages, 30 of it is just spew opinion.
It's really important.
A very smart lawyer just mentioned that obviously they had been slow walking this thing, which, you know, Warham, I think, had broke the news on that, which is clear just on the surface if you read her response, which has nothing to do with anything, right?
And they're just wasting time.
And so that's what this, that's the moment we're at now, Steve, where you've got, you know, they've gone to the Supreme Court, which we need the Supreme Court to clear the decks now immediately.
That's something that needs to happen.
Push it back to the states so that states can move through so this thing doesn't get held up so that other states following Louisiana can move this thing through.
It's going to be a fight for inches and a fight for every, you know, really like centimeter.
I mean, this thing is going to be some of the most toughest bare knuckle legal fights, something that we've been talking about, frankly, for years working towards this, Steve.
And it's going to be exciting.
But what we need and what I love hearing from folks is obviously the posse is up in arms.
You've got grassroots moving hard on this.
I know people are feeling pressure.
That's what people are talking about in DC on our side.
That some of these guys, you look at Kay Ivey, she looks like she's flipped.
We need South Carolina.
I just was reading and talking to folks preparing for the show that I think the, House leader, let me get this guy's name so we can name him.
House Majority Leader Davey Heat.
I could be pronouncing that wrong.
I've never heard of this guy, but apparently he's come out and said, No, we're not going to do it this time.
We can't do it.
So we have to name names.
You've got to move hard on these people, peacefully educate them, make sure to call and apply pressure at the county committee level, at the local level.
And really, we need to make clear that we're not going to stand for any half measures at this moment when you look at what the stakes are in this election, Steve.
steve bannon
Exactly.
Let's talk about Louisiana as a perfect example.
And I was kind of shocked.
I guess they were more ready than most.
Some, like Georgia, seem like they're not ready at all.
And I want to give a head tip to Governor DeSantis.
And I think they beat, I believe Mark Elias lost in court last night.
He's going to throw lawsuits everywhere.
Let's talk about Louisiana.
What's our status there?
alex degrasse
Yeah, so they've sued since the election was ongoing, and it's gone in front of the Supreme Court.
And that's what I'm talking about in terms of we need, obviously, for the Supreme Court to clear the deck so this thing can move forward.
We think the case is on great.
You know, sound footing, and there's nothing to worry about there.
But, you know, everything that we do, they'll respond with lawsuits.
Like you mentioned in Florida, you know, they tried to sue in the Northern District, they got defeated by the Attorney General of Florida.
And so now it's up to the Attorney General in Louisiana to obviously defend this suit.
And we're hoping that the Supreme Court moves quickly so that this stuff can progress.
But in the short term, obviously, the House elections, not the Senate election, this is really important for those watching because you've got the Cassidy election, President Trump's endorsed Julia Letlow, who were all behind.
And, you know, that election is still ongoing on May 16th, and the House elections have been moved.
So that's really important so people understand.
That's a super.
steve bannon
That's what they called the state of emergency to delay until some future time until they get the maps drawn.
The question there in the audience.
unidentified
Not the Senate.
steve bannon
Yeah, no, the House, exactly.
The Senate's going to go down on 16 May.
But the primary for the House has been delayed because they called a state of emergency.
Are we going to get a 6 0 instead of a 5 1?
I mean, why are we having these fights to take half measures?
I don't understand.
They have a maximalist strategy.
New England's where you're from is 24 to zero.
Why are we not maximalist?
Why are we not getting six?
So, why is it not automatic six?
Oh, in Louisiana, yeah.
alex degrasse
I'm not going to make excuses, but what I've heard from folks on the ground tied in with the effort is you know, they feel very good legally that they've got the strongest case to move forward with five one.
Of course, we want six.
Oh, of course, we want every state to move forward in any capacity.
But you know, that's what I'm hearing on the ground.
I'm not saying I support it, but you know.
They're looking for, you know, I think that they've been good actors on the ground.
They're the ones that actually drove this ship, Steve, and fought when no other states would fight on this.
Took a lot of courage to go against it.
steve bannon
Mississippi, the governor is ahead of things, although I think they may even have their primary.
He's what is the governor of Mississippi said?
He's going to come out and do something.
That Mississippi should be 4 0, not 3 1.
unidentified
Correct.
alex degrasse
He's calling a state legislative session in late May.
If we go to Alabama, you've got obviously Barry Morris calling.
I'm going to start naming names, right?
So you've got Barry Morris calling.
steve bannon
Well, and you had the 90 year old governor, right?
She was the first yammering on about it, got to be 2030.
Somebody got to her and got her mind right, correct?
Didn't she come out?
Didn't Ivy, Governor Ivy, come out last night after Tellerville and people were hammering her?
alex degrasse
Yeah, I mean, the grassroots is hammering.
It sounds like she's flipping, which is a huge development because obviously this is important because we covered on the show.
You know, it's a redraw of a court imposed map, right?
So they actually were forced to actually add the second majority African American district post Allen Milligan.
So they've got actually very clear president, obviously, now with the Supreme Court ruling to obviously throw that out very easily, actually.
So the word is that she flips.
So we'll have to keep an eye on that.
You've got Georgia, which is a disaster.
Obviously, Argyle Lieutenant Governor Bird Jones, pretty much all the candidates are calling for a special session this year.
But, you know, thanks to the governor and some other of these.
Rhinos that they're declaring that they're not going to do it.
steve bannon
Well, it's particularly Kemp.
Kemp hates Trump.
We could take Fulton County back.
This is that district in Fulton County, one of a couple.
This is why Kemp is a Trump hater.
This is why Asaf could win.
Remember, Asaf is coming up for reelection.
Asaf is, I think, four or five points up because the Kemp forces are suppressing MAGA in Georgia.
And this is what you get.
He just said last night, I don't know.
We'll deal with it sometime at 27, correct?
I mean, he's already just.
alex degrasse
He said hard stop.
No, not for this election.
But we're going to look at it, obviously, for 30.
steve bannon
That's a, you know, President Trump.
You called Bill Lee last night.
I'd get the hotline going to Kemp right now.
Talk to me about South Carolina.
That's a huge one.
What's McMaster doing?
He's Trump's guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex degrasse
So McMaster, they're calling a session.
I think their issues now are in the state legislator.
I mentioned that name, House Majority Leader.
Davy, I could be pronouncing that wrong.
I never heard of this guy.
He has said the state will not redistrict.
He's gone out on a limb, which is crazy.
I've heard McMaster's moving.
Obviously, Caroline Ren's all over it.
James Blair, the White House.
I mean, this is a full frontal as well with the posse, trying to see what we can move there.
But that's big.
Obviously, you've got the sixth district there, Clyburn, which you can easily draw very cleanly.
I've looked at the map.
So there's that.
And then obviously, Tennessee, we mentioned you've got Blackburn, Columbia, Billy.
Now, President spoke.
You've got the Memphis based Tennessee Nine District, which is the sole Democrat seat.
South Carolina Legal Crunch 00:10:37
alex degrasse
And so, you know, the primary is in August, obviously.
So there's a pathway because you've got time there legally.
steve bannon
So hang on one second.
I know you get a bouncer.
It's going to hold you to a short break and just keep you for a minute or two on the other side.
I want to sum this up for working instructions for the War Room posse.
It's been the tip of the spear on this.
It's redistricting wars on a Friday morning.
unidentified
Short break.
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
Alex, I know you got to bounce.
Missouri and Ohio, are those the two remaining?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex degrasse
So obviously, we picked up one to two in Ohio, and they're going to have to look at if they've got to do a redraw.
Missouri, obviously, we've talked about it.
They picked up one.
We wanted two.
Certainly, there's an additional one on the table there.
They're locked in a lawsuit and a referendum that's disputed over that one seat.
So it's very contentious on the legal front.
So folks have to just kind of stay out.
That's following.
Now, with the VRA ruling, I think there's a lot of room for people to redo, draw further.
So that's where the debate is right now.
But Ren and I have got the latest updates.
Caroline's hammering this thing like a maniac.
It's unbelievable.
Of course, Steve, she's at the forefront.
Obviously, you got to give credit to the White House.
You know, they engineered.
steve bannon
She's a maniac.
alex degrasse
And they're out there on a limb.
You know, you've got the Indiana primary coming up.
That's super important for people to lock in on.
You've got obviously the Louisiana Senate coming up.
So there's a lot of activity, and we're really sort of in the crunch time.
So it's time to get after it.
Focus in, I think, on South Carolina, making sure we get Alabama through.
Those are really the two primary.
steve bannon
Speaker of the House of South Carolina, give them a call today and say, hey, look, get your mind right here, brother.
This is unconstitutional.
We've been fighting this one for decades.
Alex, I want people to go to your Twitter feed.
And what's Caroline's Twitter feed?
Those are the two information sources.
That's the hub of the action.
And in fact, Mark Elias, his big mouth running last night, he got beaten last night in Northern Florida, correct?
alex degrasse
Yeah, that's exactly right.
He tried to obviously stop Florida.
So that's now totally toast.
I'm sure they'll appeal it, but we feel like that's going great.
So you're at Caroline Wren for Carolina.
I'm at the grass 81.
So we'll be posting updates.
We'll try to get some more folks on the show, but I think those are the two states to focus on.
We'll continue to have updates.
Thanks, Steve, and thanks.
steve bannon
We're going to update this afternoon and tomorrow morning on the Saturday show.
Alex, go back to work.
Thank you, sir.
I appreciate you stepping out and doing this.
Mark Elias.
I do admire Mark Elias.
He's a fighter, total scumbag, but he's a fighter.
But got beaten last night, Mark.
Suck on that.
We're on a roll.
But it's 13 seats.
I think we got 13 we can pick up in this DEI VRA gerrymandering that's crashing around the Democrats.
It's amazing they weren't prepared for this thing.
Okay, I hadn't even brought the show in yet.
It's Friday, 1 May, in the year of our Lord 2026.
What does that mean?
1 May?
That means it's May Day.
I've got two experts Jack Pasobic, who wrote a blockbuster New York Times bestseller called On Humans, and Dr. Bradley Thayer, who's dedicated his life to the study of this, of Marxism and Communism versus the West.
And Dr. Thayer's got a book coming out later this summer.
Let's go ahead and play the music for May Day.
We don't have it.
Okay, um, I'll go right to okay.
I don't want the march, I want the music.
Uh, let's go to Jack.
We'll get the music later.
We're gonna get this all artistically perfect.
Jack Vasobic on Humans Why is one May?
Why is May Day the big day of the Marxists and the communists?
jack posobiec
Oh, Steve, this is the high holy day of Bolshevism, both back to 1917 in Petrograd, as they like to call it back then, or all the way today with the neo Bolsheviks of Mandami in New York City.
This is The day that harkens back to the earliest agitators during the time of the Russian Empire when they were killing czars, when they were working to get the people in the street, because they would say, Call a general strike.
And the reason they went for a general strike is they would say, This is how we can rile up the masses.
They focused on cities, particularly.
They were obviously started in St. Petersburg, Petrograd, when it was called back then.
And this is the day that reminds them of how they.
Constantly fight for power and control, cause chaos, destabilize the system, make all sorts of promises.
But what does it always turn into?
Well, for the Soviets, it turned into 70 years of oppression, the murder of millions of Christians, including Christian children, secret police, the gulags, all the rest of it.
And of course, the mountains upon mountains of corpses by government policy.
And again, keep in mind, this was something they did to their own.
People.
That's what May Day is all about.
steve bannon
I want people to keep in mind, and the reason we're doing this, there's been a call for a general strike today in the United States of America from the Mandami forces and from these folks that we were trying to turf out of Minneapolis, these lovely people.
And it's interesting, the Morning Joes and all these Democrats are trying to hide that aspect of their party, which is really about 80% of their foot soldiers, have no mention of this today.
They want high schools out.
When you're in high school, all the formation you get is about hating America, hating American patriotism, teaching you Howard Zinn.
How people have been oppressed for thousands and thousands of years.
I want to make sure, Jack, that people understand this.
When you talk about the Bolsheviks and you talk about the Marxists, in every one of these societies, they start with a very small group of people.
I don't think the Bolsheviks ever had more than like 15 to 20% max support, particularly, I think, even in the Duma when they're in elections.
They never really had broad popular support.
What their strategy was, if they forced the action, People were first off the aristocracy were created because the aristocracy back then was the equivalent of the rhinos today.
That they will they will collapse, they will not be able to stand up to us, and then everybody else will collapse around that.
Uh, and so that's why they celebrate this day, isn't it?
Because this is one of their you know, I know they got the October uh date that they do when they kicked off the revolution, but this is their kind of international how they spread it.
You don't need a majority to start, in fact, you need a very small, hardened minority, sir.
jack posobiec
Well, Steve, that's exactly right, and even before the The Russian Bolsheviks were doing this.
You saw this in Chicago in the 1800s, 1880s with the Haymarket Affair, which turned into a bombing.
They were killing police officers.
They had the unions out in the streets back then.
This was during the rise of the Industrial Revolution, and they were using that as a way to foment the masses.
But, Steve, there's actually a video I did that was when we were promoting the release of Unhumans, the anti communism book.
And it was an interview with me and Charlie Kirk.
And Charlie asked me that very question.
He said, Jack, what was the size of the Russian Empire?
What was the size of the Russian Empire?
And I said, Well, it's Russia, Charlie.
It's like 100 million people, at least, giant empire.
And they said, And what was the size of the Bolsheviks?
And I said, Well, at one point, it was probably about 1,000 people, not that many.
He said, How could such a large country be taken over by so few of a hardened group of people?
And I said, Charlie, they didn't take it seriously.
They didn't take it seriously.
The violence, the brutality, the complete stripping of all morality, the slaughter that they were willing to commit in the streets to politicians, to leaders, to types of folks that might go to the White House Correspondents' Dinner, by the way, that they were willing to throw all the rules out the window in their lust for power, raw, naked power.
And the Russians, they didn't fight back until it was way too late.
steve bannon
You talk about language.
Dr. Thayer, you see this all the time on MSNBC democracy, democracy, democracy.
The Bolsheviks used to talk about democracy a lot, particularly at the beginning.
They are the proverbial wolves in sheep's clothing, are they not?
bradley thayer
Yeah, of course, Steve.
It's how they mask themselves.
They can't win popular support, so they have to cloak their odious ideas in terminology that would be familiar.
And would be attractive to folks.
Look, these guys are experts at political warfare.
They're geniuses at it.
And Lenin, in particular, was a genius, right?
And one person who was responsible for this is Vladimir Lenin.
And the tactics that we see today with the school strikes or teachers calling in sick or taking personal days or the worker strikes can all be traced back to tactics that they devise.
And implemented.
Again, they were experts at political warfare, so they recognized the importance of the ideas industry, right?
The educational system, universities, K 12, media, the law schools, all of it needed to be seized, the commanding heights of the ideas industry, so that they could bring about their revolution.
And Jack's exactly right.
These are very small numbers of individuals, but they're focused, they're driven, they know what they want.
And they're bringing it about through the three tools that Lenin recognized and explicitly advanced, which was agitation, propaganda, and organization, right?
Supreme organization, always twinned with terror and violence, right?
So those are the tools that the Leninists are using, whether we call them Bolsheviks, of course, or neo Bolshevik progressives today, those are the mechanisms they're using to advance their revolution.
Leninist Revolution Tools 00:02:00
bradley thayer
The war isn't over yet, right?
We've had very important battles that we've won, 1989, 1991, of course, perhaps most significantly, but we haven't won the war against these guys yet.
And they're making great progress, both abroad with the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, but at home, where they operate through a neo, you know, a common turn, which is privatized.
It's George Soros, it's Steve Jobs' widow, it's Singham, and his wife, Jody Evans, Code Pink.
unidentified
Yeah.
bradley thayer
Working through the hundreds of front organizations that they have to advance their revolution and to extinguish, of course, the spirit of 1776 and our freedoms in the United States and to kill Western civilization.
steve bannon
In our 250th year of our independence, hang on, Dr. Thayer, writing a book about the America struggle with the Marxists, with communists, over a hundred year struggle.
Jack Posobick, author of the New York Times bestseller.
On humans.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to be back in the warm in a moment.
It's May Day 2026.
Neo-Marxist Ideology Power 00:15:25
steve bannon
Of course, the neo Marxists that are a big force in this country don't think they're not.
That's why we have to continue to go after the deep state, break this thing up.
Jack Posobic, you take a lot of criticism on MSNBC every time they put your book up.
You say, oh my God, look at Posobic.
He wrote this book about all these great people that freed people and were liberators.
And he calls the book Unhumans.
Walk me through that, sir.
A New York Times top 10 bestseller, I might, or a New York Times list bestseller.
jack posobiec
Well, Steve, actually, we all outsold every book on the New York Times list, but of course, they didn't want to put it in the number where it actually achieved.
But, Steve, the title is very simply That's what they do to others.
They look at you.
If you are an impediment to their revolution, if you are someone who is considered right wing, if you are someone who is considered A petty bourgeoisie, meaning basically a small business owner or someone who's successful.
If you're a member of the clergy, if you're a priest, if you're a nun, if you are someone who happens to be religious, or if you've got a little bit too much pull in the military or something like that, they decide then that you must be removed.
The kulaks, as they were called in the Russian Revolution.
And so if you were a kulak and you didn't want to get with the program, you became, of course, the brunt of.
The Cheka.
And the Cheka were the original secret police, and there were various iterations of the secret police prior to the KGB.
There was also the NKVD during World War II.
But the Cheka were predominantly the chief torturers of the revolution and the revolutionary Bolsheviks.
One of the most famous and infamous methods of this is, of course, memorialized in 1984 with the rat torture.
And this, of course, in, I believe it's room 101 in the Orwell book.
1984, where they take the rat and they put him in a tube or they put him in a cage and then press that up to the individual's body and then they heat up the tube.
So the only way the rat can get out is by eating through the person's body on the other side.
That's what they would do to priests.
That's what they would do to small business owners.
That's what they would do to religious families.
They would do this over and over and over.
And they turned the country into informants against one another.
So turn neighbor against neighbor.
Kind of like, oh, I don't know what we saw here in the United States during COVID.
steve bannon
Now, hang on.
And actually, in 2021, I want to go back to that term kulak because this has direct resonance with the word.
jack posobiec
It means everyone who watches War Room, everyone who watches human events.
unidentified
We're all kulaks.
steve bannon
In Russia, and correct me if I'm wrong, in Russian society, you had serfs and peasants, but in the villages, you had peasants who were just more organized and get it together better.
jack posobiec
It means the middle class.
steve bannon
It was what the middle class is.
They became, they were still serfs and they were still peasants, but they were the top of the food chain there on their own drive and initiative.
They had, they kept their houses nicer and people in the community respected them and looked up to them.
And that's what the Bolsheviks understood.
If they were to basically take charge of the countryside and take charge of the serfs and the peasants, what they had to do was destroy the kulaks, the people in the communities, just like the Warren Posse, the people that, you know, Have the Lions clubs and coach Little League and organize the churches.
Those are the ones that have to go.
And this is why, after President Trump had the election stolen from him, they would have those billboards.
If you see anything suspicious, or they would put tremendous pressure on anybody like watching the war room or anybody that went to a MAGA rally.
They need to always destroy the kulaks.
It's one thing to get the aristocracy, to get the officers in the military, to get the priests in the church, but they understood, and their number one focus was always we got to get the kulaks.
We have to get the people.
That live, that are peasants or the senior level serves, but are respected.
jack posobiec
Stephen, if I could bring that to today, go back to when I was face to face with, at the time, I believe it was Mayor elect Zoram Mandami in the Oval Office of the White House.
And what did I press him on?
I pressed him on his policy, and we're now seeing this writ large across New York City his policy of targeting white neighborhoods for higher taxes, for higher regulations, for higher prosecutions.
I said, sir, that was your policy.
You said white neighborhoods.
You didn't say that you were going to go after corrupt businesses or fraud or corrupt practices or that you were going to look at illegal aliens or anything like this.
No, you said that you had a certain group of people that you were going to scapegoat and that you were deliberately going to do this.
And he said, oh, well, you know, I was just describing the neighborhoods.
And I said, well, you described them as white neighborhoods, sir.
That was your words.
So, Steve, It hasn't changed.
It hasn't changed at all.
What's changed is that it's less about class now.
It's still about class, don't get me wrong, but there's another angle that they've added to it in neo Bolshevism where they bring up race, they bring up gender, they bring up sexuality.
That's what they've added to it.
But if you go to like a Luigi Maggioni type, you see it's the exact same hatred, the exact same violence all the way down.
It's the Maggioni's and it is the Mandamis all the way down.
steve bannon
This is our, Jack, this is our, because I know you get a bounce.
This is our fight, our fight politically, because this is the muscle of the Democratic Party.
When I was down in Texas Nine, right, the state district, these are the guys walking door to door.
This is the Working Family Party.
This is the DSA.
This is where the energy is coming from the Democratic Party.
They're all over Georgia, too.
And these people are totally radical.
Go ahead, sir.
jack posobiec
No, I'm just saying that the Working Families Party, they're all over Georgia.
They're moving in state by state.
steve bannon
Oh, big time.
All over the country.
And this is where their energy, and we have to call them out for what they are.
This is neo Marxism.
And you're right.
The reason we say neo is because they bring race, gender, sexuality, all of it into this.
This is why they are so radical about the transgender ideology.
They refuse to back off that.
And folks, if you think DEI is gone and transgender ideology is gone, you are absolutely incorrect.
The corporations are ready to bring it all back.
These people are going to infuse it into the government, into the military, into all of our institutions.
We are so far from killing that because it's central to their.
Ideology and it's central to how they organize Jack Vasovic.
jack posobiec
100%.
And while I am, I am, I am, you know, I see it positively, you know, hopeful when I see some of the Fortune 500s that are pulling out of the SPLC finally after all the years of exposing their corruption and exposing the role that they've played for the financial institutions and the Fortune 500 of this country, the refute, the debanking, et cetera, that they've worked with hand in glove.
But unfortunately, Steve, every time we take it, Aim at one of their organizations in terms of exposing them, put a spotlight on them, they're just going to move to another one.
They're going to move to another organization, or they're going to keep going until they find another guy like a Cole Thomas Allen or a Tyler Robinson or a Luigi Maggioni who's going to go and say, you know what?
It's not good enough that we're doing the debanking and the censorship.
We got to move to other means.
We have to move to revolutionary means.
And Steve, that's what they say over and over and over.
They tell you that these forces are oppressive and you must rise up against your oppressors.
And that's what they start doing, Steve.
They don't care.
And here's the dirty little secret.
They don't actually care about equality.
They don't care about justice.
You think these people care about race and gender and minority groups and any of these things?
No, of course not.
The killing is the point.
The brutality is the point.
The anger is the point.
That's what they want.
It's envy, it is resentment.
That is what is at the root of all of this and all of the flowery language that's just marketing, that's just window dressing.
steve bannon
And at the heart of it, it's atheistic and it's great enemy of the state.
jack posobiec
Of course, it's demonic.
Right, whether orthodox, it's demonic, and you see the cover that's why we have the demonic imagery, all the rest of it.
steve bannon
Before you go, uh, Cole Allen, because people are saying he's crazy, he's not crazy.
There's been no evidence at all, he's not crazy.
This guy, though, was flipped in his formation as an assassin and as someone that felt he had to use a mass casualty incident to basically thwart the oppressors of the United States of America.
Shows you how twisted they can get.
By this ideology.
This ideology is very powerful.
And because of the way that they continually roll it out to these young people, particularly young people who may seem a little rootless, sir.
jack posobiec
Well, and Steve, you know, we've got over at Human Events, we've actually put, I haven't published this yet, but we've got an archive and I've set it up so that it can be searchable of thousands upon thousands of his tweets, his social media posts.
And you could see it was 2024 where he became hyper radicalized.
He seems to have been aligned with some of these NAFO groups where, you know, very tight with the pro Ukraine elements online and full on believer in the Russia conspiracy theory that Trump was a Russian agent working for Vladimir Putin, also became anti Israel, was anti the Iran war.
But at the same time, Steve, it's ultimately just the same type of rhetoric that you see on Blue Sky, that you would see on MSNBC every single night.
And it's very straightforward.
He says over and over that it's time for someone to do something.
No one else has decided to do this yet, or no one has gotten far enough, so I'm going to take it upon myself.
He's taking the logical conclusion of this type of rhetoric from the left.
And again, this isn't the extreme left, this isn't the fringe left, this is mainstream.
When the New York Times is putting up guys talking about, oh, the Maggioni's actions against Brian Thompson were justified because he was guilty of social.
Murder, Steve.
It's so key for people to understand this.
The New York Times is platforming this type of ideology.
So, this isn't fringe.
This is in the New York Times.
And they're telling you, you're committing self defense and defense of others when you go and go look at the arsenal this guy had at the White House Correspondents' Dinner at the Washington Hill, the Hinckley Hilton, right?
Daggers, throwing knives, I believe it was a 1911 pistol, and he had the Mossberg 88 pistol grip shotgun.
And he ran in there.
Fired at least one round off and was running straight through.
Waited for them to put down the magnetometers and then was running through.
The dog tried to warn him.
They didn't listen to the dog.
And he was running through it.
He got very, very, very close to the president of the United States, the vice president, so many members of the cabinet, et cetera.
And he wanted to do this.
steve bannon
Oh, 100%.
Jack, where do people go if they want to pick up Unhumans or watch your show, or particularly you're the Associated Press of MAGA, your Twitter feed?
Where do they go?
jack posobiec
Oh, of course, up at Jack Posobic, Steve, and then the podcast Human Events Daily.
Get that on Apple, get that on Spotify.
We're all over social media.
The book, Unhumans, New York Times bestseller.
You can go and get that on Amazon.
You can get that on unhumansbook.com.
We have a couple of special editions.
And there's a great foreword that was written in there by one, Stephen K. Bannon, that I highly recommend.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
One of my great books.
I love this book.
What's the clip?
You gave our production team the clip we're going to see on the way out.
What are we going to see in here?
jack posobiec
I believe this is the Victory Parade.
Now, it's YouTube, so you have to caveat that it's.
Credited as the victory parade in the Soviet Union, May of 1957.
And I believe this is one of the ones, Red Square, that Chairman Mao actually participated in.
Remember, the only country that Mao would ever travel to was, of course, his patrons up in Moscow.
steve bannon
And he didn't like traveling there.
He was ordered to.
Jack Vasovic, thank you so much.
We'll go out with that.
Dr. Bradley Thayer fighting the 100-year war, 100-year-plus war against Marxism.
Next in the world.
Dr. Thayer, you can cut on MSNBC every night, and they've got the same type of nomenclature.
You know, they're talking about democracy, but it's really neo Marxism.
They've taken over education training in this country.
The master's degree or people, and I don't know why you have to get a degree in education to be a teacher.
It seems like we had a pretty good run in the 19th and 20th century, early 20th century before that infected the system.
But talk to us about today because they're trying to get to these kids.
And this is much wider spread than the media covers.
This is very, and particularly in the junior high schools and high schools, they are radicalizing a generation, and I mean really radicalizing a generation of young Americans, sir.
bradley thayer
Well, they are, Steve, and they've been doing it for some time.
And it's really evidence of how far they've advanced and how successful they've been, again, at capturing the ideas industry, right?
You can't go to university, you can't go through K 12.
With important exceptions like homeschooling and others, but you're going to be indoctrinated by neo Bolsheviks who captured the educational system, who captured the media, who captured really much of intellectual life, the entertainment industry, social media.
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bradley thayer
They've got it all wrapped up.
And they did it because they're organized, they know what they want, and they advance along those lines.
And they've been supremely successful at so doing, which is a large part of the deep problems that we face, right?
Is the fact that we're struggling against a very organized entity, really a neo-common turn, a privatized common turn that's run by George Soros and his son.
unidentified
It's run by Nelson Mandela.
steve bannon
Just make sure people understand: hang on, the term common turn means what, and why is it important for people to know this?
bradley thayer
Absolutely.
So the Bolsheviks wanted to spread their revolution.
They came to power in 1917.
They recognized they had a problem, that they needed to spread this thing.
So they created an organization called the Communist International, or also called the Third International.
And the intent of that was to spread the Bolshevik revolution globally, everywhere.
Where communist parties didn't exist, like in China, for example, they would create one.
They created the Chinese Communist Party in 1928.
They created in 1919 really two American Communist parties, which they merged into one, the Communist Party of the United States, by 1921, formally by 1927.
So they generated Communist parties, but they also recognized they needed to create and fund front organization using what they called United Front Tactics, which is to recognize you probably weren't going to take over countries through a coup d'etat.
Like the Bolsheviks did on November 7th, 1917.
But what you need to do was penetrate and unhinge societies.
So you needed to find out what kept a society together.
That would be religion.
That would be the family.
That would be patriotism.
That would be American identity, for example.
You needed to target that and gradually, at first, eliminate it, erase it, right?
What the NSS, National Security Strategy, calls civilizational erasure.
Well, that's just the realization of the tactics that Lenin, the Comintern, started to focus on what united the West, what made it great, in order to destroy it.
And once it was destroyed, they'd be able to seize power.
Again, not through a coup, not through a coup d'etat, but by gradually having it come their way, all of it drop into their hands.
And again, they were supremely successful at doing so, making communist parties.
Making front organizations that's now been taken up by these billionaires, these woke billionaires, Sorrow Singham, Jody Evans, Jobs's Widow, her Emerson Collective.
Again, huge source of this.
So they have these woke billionaires by the score who are advancing these ideas and to whom the ideas seem very attractive to folks who don't know.
They don't know, sadly, because we failed.
To sustain American identity and to call this out.
steve bannon
This was the entire really idea of Charlie Kirk and what Charlie Kirk did at Turner Point, particularly starting those college campuses.
And if you see what Charlie would always say, if you disagree with me, we're going to get you at the front of the line.
And if you see what these kids would spout to Charlie, it was neo Marxism.
They had been trained, they had been brought up about this.
They didn't really understand the American experience, they didn't understand the basic.
Foundations of the Republic and Western civilization.
It was pretty shocking, but that's why the reason Charlie, I think, was so effective.
He was so patient.
You just heard this drivel coming from these people that they all came out of the modern American education system.
And there are no homeschooled kids at the front of the lines for Charlie Kirk because he always put the dissonance at the front.
And Charlie would sit there, you know, year after year and university after university.
And this is what he was up against.
And what Charlie said is, we'll talk this out.
And here's the amazing thing Charlie, in his own way, right?
His own kind of very knowledgeable but accessible way, changed so many of those people.
That's why there was such open grief for Charlie, particularly among young people in the college campuses.
He was an apostle for the Christian West in understanding the values of it and how it's manifested in the American Republic as counter.
To everything that the neo Marxists stand for.
This is why the Bolsheviks, and Dr. Thayer says it's a 100 year war.
Anyway, Dr. Thayer, hang on.
You're going to stick around because I'm going to get Navarro from the White House, and then Eric Boling's going to join us.
Thayer's going to stick around.
We're going to talk also what's gone down in the war on May Day in 2026.
You see it in your neighborhoods.
If you see it in your towns and cities or covered on your news tonight, remember this has a long tradition and it's a dangerous tradition.
It goes all the way back to the French Revolution, right?
The very two different revolutions, the American and the French, with two pretty different outcomes.
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