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May 1, 2026 - Bannon's War Room
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WarRoom Battleground EP 1000: Redistricting Battles Continue Across Republican States

Stephen K. Bannon opens WarRoom Battleground EP 1000 by declaring a campaign against media networks, transitioning to redistricting battles where Ohio's Marcel Sturbrich seeks $800,000 to challenge an incumbent, while Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry suspends primaries following the Supreme Court's gutting of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. Pedro Gonzalez alleges Congress fabricated a "Russia hoax" against Trump, and John Gardner cites 2% Q1 GDP growth driven by tariffs, though high material costs persist. Ultimately, these segments illustrate a Republican strategy to consolidate power through legal maneuvers and economic policies while confronting internal civil wars and external media narratives. [Automatically generated summary]

Transcriber: CohereLabs/cohere-transcribe-03-2026, WAV2VEC2_ASR_BASE_960H, sat-12l-sm, script v26.04.01, and large-v3-turbo
Participants
Main
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caroline wren
08:39
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john gardner
06:58
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steve bannon
r 15:29
Appearances
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cornell belcher
d 01:53
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jake sherman
msnow 01:23
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ltc marcell strbich
02:27
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pedro boccalato rodriguez aparicio
dailysignal 04:12
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rick santelli
cnbc 00:47
Clips
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jake tapper
cnn 00:08
k
katy tur
msnow 00:18
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Speaker Time Text
Primal Scream of Dying Regime 00:15:03
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.
You're not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task?
And what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bath.
steve bannon
Thursday, 30 April, year of our Lord, 2026.
We're going to get back to Caroline Renner.
We've got a cold open for her, and then we'll go through state by state about where we stand with these redistrictings.
Very interesting tweets coming out right now about the fight that is ongoing.
I want to go to Ohio.
They.
Their primaries next week.
Marcel Sturbrich joins us running for Secretary of State.
How's the intensity?
Are we building here to have a big turnout next week, sir?
ltc marcell strbich
Oh, definitely.
Right now, obviously, we're following what's taken on nationally.
You see this big decision, 6 3, and all of these states are going to need to be fortified with secretaries of states that are clear in their vision, their task, and purpose.
And for this candidacy, we're winning on the message, and that is same day in person voting, only excuse, valid, excuse mail in ballots, and pre printed hand markable ballots.
We're also going to re examine under my administration.
What is the role of third party voter registration groups and others that ballot harvest in Ohio?
Because that's still an issue, as you know, Steve, in our state.
So, yeah, this is going to be a really close race.
And I'm asking for all of Ohio MAGA to come out because this is the one chance that we can execute President Trump's agenda in a bellwether state.
steve bannon
Marcel, have we gotten all the seats possible in redistricting in Ohio?
I know we've been fighting up there and they've done a couple.
Are you comfortable?
We've squeezed all the juice out of the lemon.
ltc marcell strbich
Well, they made their choice right before Indiana.
They did score marginal increases in two districts, one in District 9 with Marcy Kaptur.
And then Eric Conroy, who's like me, an Air Force Intel officer and also former case officer down in Cincinnati, has a more favorable district.
So there's a possibility of a plus two game on that front for the Republicans in the state.
But there was a lot of conversations in Ohio about the prospect of getting even more than that.
But it seems like they strong arm the Democrats, and that's fueling the Democrat race in this primary.
There's a political outsider running against a corporate special interest PAC Secretary of State over the issue of gerrymandering.
But it seems like Ohio in that case has gotten over the top.
unidentified
What is it?
steve bannon
We have essentially a minor civil war going on in Ohio between the MAGA supporters of President Trump and the very dug in establishment in Ohio.
How do you see that playing out next week?
ltc marcell strbich
Well, I'm leading the charge in that regard.
I stepped out of the Air Force.
I worked on election integrity legislation for the last three years.
I wasn't satisfied in terms of what they were doing.
I think they'd marginally tiptoe in Ohio when it comes to this topic.
And so we came out of nowhere.
We raised 5,000 small donors, 800,000.
We got key support from PACS recently that did mailers, affiliated with Club for Growth.
We've got real momentum in this race, and former candidates are supporting us.
Again, this is going to come down to margin.
There's only 10% of the estimated vote expected.
So this is going to be one of the things that is going to determine whether President Trump's agenda.
That he started in 2016 in Ohio that propelled him is going to live through his candidacy.
I would be the Secretary of State for four years until 2030.
steve bannon
Sir, where do people go in the run up, running through the tape this weekend?
Where do folks go on social media and your website?
ltc marcell strbich
Thanks again, Steve.
They can go to sturbichforohio.com and right there they can donate and they can also tell family and friends.
Again, this is a now or never moment for Ohio.
All hands on deck.
You have a true patriot and a driven, mission focused military officer that can take on the insecurities of elections and we can deliver some results which will be sustained for years to come.
Thank you again for having me, Steve.
It's an honor.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Go back to your dinner.
You're giving a big speech tonight.
Look forward to following this over the weekend.
Thank you, sir.
We got a cold open for the Caroline Wren.
Let's go and play it.
katy tur
Louisiana is now postponing its primaries in order to redraw the maps down there.
Cornell, what's going to happen?
cornell belcher
Well, first of all, great reporting.
The way he puts that all together and that dysfunction is amazing.
unidentified
So kudos to you.
cornell belcher
You know, It's interesting, Gay, because in the aftermath of the devastating gutting of the Civil Rights Act that the Supreme Court handed down, Louisiana went about doing exactly what the Voting Rights Act was put in place to stop them from doing.
So it's really interesting that the Supreme Court says these things aren't needed anymore and they're out of time.
And the moment they do that, Louisiana, one of the states that was.
He in the rationale for having a Voting Rights Act, in fact, goes about doing exactly what the Voting Rights Act was trying to stop them from doing, and that is marginalizing the voices of people of color and really stripping away their voice and their political power.
So that's what Louisiana is all about right now.
And the thing is, Katie, at some point, you know.
The court aside, the voters of this country, like the mainstream American voters of this country, have to go, What's in that for me?
Am I going to get lower health care?
Am I going to get more affordable prescription drugs because you're now gerrymandering safe seats for your incumbents?
Because it hasn't led to any of that.
At some point, mainstream white Americans need skin in this white supremacy game that they're playing with this gerrymandering.
And they have to say also, This isn't working for me.
Making these incumbents safer and less accountable hasn't lowered my prices, hasn't given me better health insurance, hasn't given me cheaper pharmaceuticals.
None of it seems to be working for the working people.
katy tur
Is this going to change the balance of power in Congress?
Or if red states start redistricting, as they're probably going to do, are blue states able to use this as well?
jake sherman
Yes, to all the above.
It's going to change the balance of power.
Whether it does for this election cycle, we don't know.
The case centered around KDA, a seat in Louisiana that ran from New Orleans Northwest to Baton Rouge that's held by a Democrat.
And it was part of a last redraw of the Louisiana map.
The Louisiana governor, Jeff Landry, is going to, has already pushed off and is indicating he is going to draw a new map.
The question is can states do this in time for the 2026 election?
And the answer to that is who knows?
But then you get into a question well, will California draw a 54-0 map?
Will Illinois draw a 17-0 map?
Will Maryland finally get the guts to wipe out their one Republican?
Those are questions that need to be answered and will be answered in the coming years.
That's number one.
unidentified
I'm going to do a little bit.
Okay, go ahead.
Go ahead.
jake sherman
No, I'm going to just say one more thing here.
What they did to Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act from a practical basis is not a complete win for Republicans because what Democrats can now do is take majority minority districts, which have tended to be Democratic districts.
And they could spread those Democratic voters among Republican districts in blue states and lower the Republicanness and the Republican voting tendencies of red districts.
So, you know, we're going to have to see how it works out.
It's not clear to me.
And there's going to be a flurry, Katie, of lawsuits.
steve bannon
Okay, fine.
Let's do that.
Welcome.
And Caroline Wren, let's start.
First off, what's your answer to Nicole Wallace and her team over at MSNBC, ma'am?
caroline wren
Well, what marginalizes black people is putting them into districts that have no chance of Republican representation because then they never hear anything from the Republican Party about how our policies can help improve their lives because there aren't Republican candidates on the ballot in their districts.
And this comes down to the left is terrified to compete with us for black voters because they've taken advantage of them for decades.
President Trump made inroads with the African American community, and now we can finally build on this momentum that President Trump built.
unidentified
Let's go.
steve bannon
Let's start at the top, Louisiana.
In fact, let's get your chart up there.
Just walk us through the ones that should be in play.
You know, we've done Florida, we've done Texas, but we got, I think, another 13 out there, and people have got to get on with it, right?
Because we need these.
It's fair.
These are unconstitutional.
It has to be done.
Plus, practically, this is the way that we secure a victory in November, which is all important.
Let's start in Louisiana.
Why is Louisiana not 6 0 this afternoon, ma'am?
caroline wren
We don't know yet.
And I give credit for sure with Landry.
He immediately suspended the primary, said this is serious, and he's got a plan to push this through, but we don't know what that map is going to be.
I've heard rumblings that it could end up being a 5 1 map, which I think is not the right way to go.
We should go for the 6 0 map.
They can get this through.
And so I'm hoping that is what Governor Landry does.
But we have not yet seen the map that he plans to present in the special session.
And so that one, we're not sure yet.
Alabama just had some interesting breaking news.
steve bannon
Just so people understand, he has suspended the Congress.
They're going to have a primary in what, a week or so?
They get a highly contested Senate race down there.
The Senate, the statewide primary is going to take place, and he's suspending the congressional primaries.
caroline wren
Yeah.
And why it's important is theirs is the next upcoming, but you have several others coming up.
And so the governor should not use the excuse of, oh, it's too close to our primary.
Governor Landry blew that up by saying, hey, he did a, um, Declared a state of emergency in the state, which is the right thing to do, and said we have to suspend these primaries and postpone them until we redraw our maps and bring them into compliance with the Supreme Court's new ruling.
steve bannon
Okay, so, and you are advocating the difference here, and we don't know when we're going to see this map, but you're saying 6 0 versus 5 1.
What about Mississippi?
caroline wren
So, Mississippi, I didn't have on the chart earlier because their primaries already passed, but let me tell you, the governor, Kate Reeves, there has been extremely aggressive.
We talked earlier about Do states have a plan or not?
Oh my god, he was in court, and the state house and senate president have already filed motions, they've already set a date to go in for a special session.
So, I don't know what that means for a primary is already passed.
However, they'd be creating essentially a new district.
I think it could go from 3 1 to 4 0, is what is very likely.
And so they are certainly moving.
So, I'm putting that up on the board now.
And if the court's there or they do a special session that declares this unconstitutional and that they redraw the map, so they might have to just go back and redo those congressional primaries, which I would be very glad to see.
steve bannon
Well, if it's unconstitutional, Hacken, it seems to me going back, And redoing it.
It's not the end of the world to have another primary, is it?
unidentified
No.
caroline wren
And especially if maybe some of these districts don't change at all on their lines and you don't need to have a new primary.
It just depends on how they draw it.
And so we'll see what happens there.
But certainly I give Tate Reeves credit.
And even if you are past the date that you could deal with this in 2026, so what?
You should still be in court right now and getting this done immediately.
And so I appreciate the urgency that he has.
And I'm going to be watching that closely.
steve bannon
He's showing real leadership.
Now, Alabama.
Is strange.
You got Tommy Tumberville coming out who's running for governor, leaving the Senate running for governor.
He's all thrown down hard.
The attorney general was the first guy out of the box, yet the governor's saying, I don't know, it's like 2030.
What is going on in the great state of Alabama, ma'am?
caroline wren
Well, I went to school in Alabama, and Governor Kay Ivey is 89 years old.
She is not fully with it, let's just say.
And so she's really controlled by a lot of handlers.
And so I don't know what they're doing, but I will say that.
You've had the secretary or you've had the lieutenant governor come out, Tommy Coverville, the speaker of the House, the Senate president.
They've all come out and said, yes, we should do this.
One person who hadn't was the secretary of state, Wes Allen, which I thought was strange.
Well, he just fired a bombshell motion with the Supreme Court asking for an expedited consideration.
You know, they've been in an active lawsuit over their maps since 2021, I believe.
And the Supreme Court said they had to freeze their congressional maps until after the 2030 census.
And so the secretary of state just filed a motion and said, We want to expedite ruling on this so that we could redraw our maps.
And so, boom, here we go.
Like Wes Allen understood the assignment, credit to him.
And let's see what the court says on the Alabama maps.
steve bannon
I just want to spend a minute on Florida.
You went to Tallahassee, and I think you're seeing DeSantis showed real leadership here, right?
He said, couldn't get done in the special.
They had the House, I think the House Speaker blocked him.
He said, hey, look, I'm calling you back.
We're going to stay in here until we get it done.
It took him 24, 48 hours to do it in Florida, ma'am.
caroline wren
It sure did.
And he really has done a great job with this.
I'm very, very proud of Governor DeSantis.
And a 24 4 map is good.
I thought actually we could have gone up to a 25 3 map, but there's really weird specific laws.
And Governor DeSantis was basing this off of population changes.
But I do think sometime in the future, in the next couple of years, that actually could even draw out more because you just had a flood of people moving to Florida because they're a red state.
So that's been good.
Analyzing Georgia and North Carolina Moves 00:06:26
caroline wren
The other states that have already redistricted are North Carolina, Ohio, and Missouri.
But I think actually, North Carolina, Ohio, and Missouri, they all three could go back and redraw further.
Missouri, definitely, they've already redrew to what would likely be a 7 1 map.
Well, that last congressional district is a majority minority, you know, VRA created district.
They should go get rid of that immediately.
And we've seen no statement from Mike Kehoe, the governor there yet, but we're watching it.
Ohio, you talked about it earlier, and I think they could potentially, there's a district in Cleveland that I think could definitely be challenged, and you could pick up one more there.
And in North Carolina, I think that, you know, we don't, it's not asked for that, but they were able to redistrict last year and they went from a 10 4 to a likely 11 3 map.
Whether or not they'll go to a 12 2 under this would be interesting to see, but that would have to go through court challenges.
steve bannon
How, let's, I want to go because Ohio and Missouri were very contentious when we were talking about them and they kind of basically leaned on their rake in Ohio.
Those are two we definitely could pick up and the folks there should be on fire.
How do we actually pull this off in North Carolina where you've got a Democrat governor?
That's going to be a little tougher, isn't it?
caroline wren
It was, but they were able to get it done last year.
And so it had to do more with the legislature and court challenges that they had.
And so I think that you really could, you could challenge, like those are districts that were created just because of the Voting Rights Act.
And so I think the best way to do that is immediately be in court with lawsuits on it.
Now, it is harder to get, let's say, a special session call, though.
That is a problem.
A governor gets a set of special sessions.
That's why I don't have tons of faith in a state like North Carolina being able to go back to this.
The courts move quickly on this and declare that that map is unconstitutional.
I think the governor would have no choice but to call a special session to address an unconstitutional map.
steve bannon
Now, let's talk about Georgia.
Georgia's had so many problems with the Fulton counties of the world, et cetera.
What are Kemp's problems?
I mean, the establishment down there doesn't want any, they don't want anybody rocking the boat.
Is Georgia making any moves on this right now?
caroline wren
Brian Kemp said through a statement of an unnamed person in his office that they are, quote, analyzing it.
Which to me is just like ridiculous.
You need to come out and say much more about what that means.
Georgia has started actively voting.
But again, look at what Governor Landry did.
He declared a state of emergency.
And Governor Kemp, you can declare a state of emergency, suspend the vote, and you can continue voting on statewide races.
That is fine.
But you can pause the voting on the congressional races and say, look, the courts, you know, we have to, we expect a challenge to this.
It would be irresponsible to move forward with what could be, you know, Districts that have been drawn that could be challenged in court.
So we'll suspend that and we will have a special session, new redistricting, and delay the primaries for congressional districts to a later date.
And so that's what I would like to see out of Governor Kemp.
And we did not hear anything as of today.
steve bannon
How could they say analyzing when, I mean, this has been fought for decades and we knew this was coming?
The arguments on the Louisiana thing, everybody felt this was going our way.
Now, I don't think a lot of people felt it would be 6 3.
But that is how can they sit there and say they're analyzing?
They should have teams ready to go on this immediately, ma'am.
caroline wren
Yeah, we've seen this for a while with inaction with these guys.
And so it is very frustrating for me to see.
The only thing I would have said, it's been now 24 hours.
So with a state like Alabama, the analyzing meant that your, you know, Secretary of State or AG was drafting like a massive lawsuit or putting forth a legal challenge.
I would understand that.
But in Georgia, it's just been silence.
And you've had every candidate running for dog catcher up to governor, Senate.
You've got all types of races in Georgia.
They're all calling for an immediate special session.
But Brian Kemp has not said one way or the other what he plans to do, other than, you know, a spokesperson saying he's analyzing it.
So, and then the next big one is South Carolina.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
McMaster is one of President Trump's most stalwart supporters.
What is happening in South Carolina?
caroline wren
I'm hoping to see some movement there.
McMaster is one of my personal favorite governors out there.
And so he was actually the first statewide elected official to endorse Donald Trump.
And because that, remember, we got Governor McMaster because Trump.
Put Nikki Haley in the cabinet just so he could make Henry McMaster governor of South Carolina because Henry McMaster was the lieutenant governor at that time.
Since he was the first person out the gate to endorse Trump, Trump said, What do you want?
He'd always wanted to be governor.
Well, you know what?
Governor McMaster, now is the time.
This is a huge moment in your governorship, and we need you to do the right thing.
I would hope and pray that Governor McMaster and President Trump have been on the phone today.
We know that President Trump spoke to Governor Bill Lee of Tennessee, and just knowing how close Governor McMaster and President Trump are, I would hope that they have spoken and that we see some movement out of South Carolina very soon because that is an easy pickup there with Jim Clyburn's seat, and there's no reason why South Carolina can't immediately move from a 6 1 to a 7 0 state.
steve bannon
Is Bill Lee, have they confirmed that Bill Lee's taking action on this?
I know the president had to call him, but my understanding was some action was going to be taken.
caroline wren
No, we don't know what that is yet.
All they said, President Trump put out a true social saying it was a great conversation.
He expects action.
And so we don't know what that means.
But so either it was not that great of a conversation.
And so President Trump was forcing his hand by doing that, which is genius and I think would work.
Or it really wasn't a very good conversation.
And we're going to see something from them shortly.
So I.
But I have pretty high hopes for Tennessee that we're going to see movement.
Marsha Blackburn, to her credit, has been all over this.
And so she is going to be the next governor very soon, but she's not going to wait to do this until then.
She is really, I've heard she's been working the phones.
She's been putting a lot of statements out online, doing a lot of press interviews about this.
And I think it's important because it shows leadership and other states should follow.
steve bannon
Leadership.
Caroline, you've been on fire on this.
You're going to be putting stuff up all night.
Where do people go to follow you, ma'am?
unidentified
Sure.
caroline wren
It's at Caroline Wren on X True Social and Getter.
steve bannon
Now, people have asked me in the war impasse, you deployed to Tallahassee to make sure that got done.
Are you prepared to deploy to these other state capitals to kind of put the whip hand on them and make sure that we get these done?
Tulsi Gabbard Breaks Silence in Honolulu 00:05:14
caroline wren
100%.
I was talking to someone about that earlier in one of these states.
And I said, look, do I need to get on a plane?
I'll come there tomorrow.
Right now, I've just been burning up the phones, calling everyone.
But of course, I will fly to any state.
I'm going to send me.
You know, it'd be great if we could redistrict in Hawaii, but I don't have that on my chart currently.
But if so, I'd be the first one on my way to Honolulu.
steve bannon
Honolulu.
Ma'am, thank you so much.
Follow Caroline Wren tonight.
We'll have you back on tomorrow for an update.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
Thank you, ma'am.
Pedro Gonzalez, Daily Signal, had a fantastic story the other day.
I want to take a couple of minutes.
And by the way, so what we're going to do in this second part of the show, we were going to show all of Pete's the hot parts, I think, because we got.
Pedro, and I want to get John Gardner up.
We're going to have more truncated, but you're going to get a lot of Pete Hegseth in the next segment.
Pedro, you did a very thoughtful piece.
I want you to take a few minutes and walk people through.
I think people are lost sometimes because it happened a few years ago, and some of the terms get confusing of what Tulsi Gabbard has been doing about this grand conspiracy against President Trump.
Can you walk us through your reporting?
I want to make sure that Grace and Mo, Elizabeth, push this out to the chat right now, this great article on Daily Signal.
pedro boccalato rodriguez aparicio
Absolutely.
I would love to.
So basically, Tulsi Gabbard uncovered the congressional plot to overthrow Trump.
And she was able to prove through, you know, countless investigations that Congress literally fabricated, the congressional Democrats literally fabricated this Russia hoax that we heard about from legacy media for years and years and years, and ultimately even got Trump impeached by House Democrats several times.
You know, the Democrats here, they didn't only fabricate a lie that they pushed.
They didn't only manipulate the media to go after Trump and on this Russia collusion lie, but they also left out key details from the informants that they interviewed, that they received testimony from.
They completely phased them out to be able to craft their own narrative about how Trump was colluding with Russia in our election system.
And ultimately, it was just kind of like the Democrat playbook to.
Regain power from our president.
steve bannon
So, in your article, you're saying that there was more evidence there.
It was just never presented in a correct way to see how deep this conspiracy ran.
That's what I believe.
I happen to be there at the time.
But is that what your own independent research has shown, particularly what Tulsi Gabbard's putting forward now?
pedro boccalato rodriguez aparicio
That is, yeah.
That is what I found and what Tulsi Gabbard and her department have been able to find since.
Assuming office at the beginning of last year is that throughout the testimonies that were given, the congressional Democrats pick and chose the parts of the testimony that match their narrative.
So, for example, if an informant came up to them and told them, you know, President Trump didn't really do this, then what the Democrats would do is that they would phase that part out and only include the part where they said, well, maybe President Trump did this.
So it was completely fabricated from the beginning to the end.
And it's something they, unfortunately, they're still running on.
steve bannon
Pedro, hang on for one second.
John Gardner is also going to join us in the second part.
Here's the question you can answer when you get back.
Is it in your article?
This is why it's a good starter.
Now that Tulsi's been able to put more information out, is it easier to understand the narrative given that we don't have to just go through the filter of the Democratic Party?
Why don't you hang on?
Folks, this is important.
I think Pedro's piece is very important because as John Solomon is telling us, More is coming out.
And you can see from Todd Blanch and the team at Maine Justice, accountability to the deep state is very high priority for Blanch and kind of the new leadership over there.
Pam did get a lot of things started.
They're going to bring them to conclusion.
I think this is why you saw Comey arraigned yesterday.
So a lot going on over at Maine Justice.
And this is why Pedro's analysis, his story, is, I think, Fundamental for people to read and understand this.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're also going to get John Gardner's very good news on our exports, capital equipment.
That means people making things as John Gardner said President Trump was going to do.
We're going to get to that.
Also, you're going to see an amazing highlight reel of Pete Hegseth.
And this is what was so disturbing is that the Senate Republicans really didn't, particularly the leadership, did not provide air cover for Pete.
They let him get blasted for hour after hour by some of the most ridiculous things you've ever heard.
Free Consultation on Collusion Hoax 00:05:29
steve bannon
And I think Pete and General Kane did a very good job of presenting the case of the administration for the $1.5 trillion defense budget, which I'm not totally crazy about, and the war in Iran, but they had their day.
unidentified
Short break.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
Okay, a couple of things.
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Pedro, is there ability, your article, you got places you can click through.
Is there ability to the war impasse and just citizens out there?
To actually understand the reality of what happened here and not have to play by the New York Times, Washington Post, MSMEC playbook, sir?
pedro boccalato rodriguez aparicio
Absolutely.
Well, my article lays it down pretty clear and it just tells you the most important facts.
But you can also visit the DNI website and find the same exact thing.
And that's that basically there were three examples that disprove the entire Russia lie that was pushed on us by the Democrats and the legacy media in the last couple of years.
The first one, Is that the person who testified in front of the Congressional Committee, specifically testified in front of Schiff and Nancy Pelosi?
Well, that person had no firsthand knowledge about the call that allegedly occurred between Trump and Zelensky.
But even though she had no firsthand knowledge, she still went to corroborate the story in front of the Congressional Committee.
So, you know, the witness is not credible.
Right.
The second example is that those documents that were held by that congressional committee, specifically by the House Intelligence Committee under Nancy Pelosi, those documents, the full transcripts of all of the closed-door testimonies and whatnot, were kept under lock and key.
And they were only exposed to the public, and in this case, to Gabbard herself, after the chairman of the committee, the Republican chairman, You know, forced a vote to release those files that were under lock and key since 2017.
So, for 10 years, pretty much, we don't really know the full story about this so called Russia collusion hoax, right?
Or this so called Russia collusion.
But, you know, that lie is still perpetrated by the media.
And then the third one, and probably one of the most important ones, is, you know, this entire thing was clearly fabricated because the documents show.
Where the Democrats decided to pick and choose what to actually run with.
And it's, you know, the American people deserve an apology because we've been lied to for the last 10 years by the legacy media and the Democrats.
And certainly President Trump definitely deserves an apology because he was impeached twice over this.
steve bannon
Well, I tell you, this is what is so important.
I think people start, and Moan Grace and Elizabeth will put it out there.
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steve bannon
We start with your article, then we click through.
You'll see the scale of this lie.
You also, this is why I think Todd.
Is doing the right thing.
We have to hold these people accountable.
And we had George Papadopoulos on the other day.
He walked you through it.
We've got to get down into this.
John Solomon's doing a great job.
There are going to be other announcements, John's telling me, coming out in the next couple of days or weeks, but this is a high priority.
And from the political side, if you want to get people fired up into the polls in November, you've got to start holding the deep state accountable.
Particularly, this was a tee up to the Stone election of 2020.
So it's a fantastic article.
You laid it out.
You did the research.
Pedro.
How do people get to your writing over Daily Signal?
And what's your social media so people can follow you on Twitter?
pedro boccalato rodriguez aparicio
Absolutely.
It's thedailysignal.org.
Our social media is at thedailysignal.
And my personal is Pedro B. Rodriguez 7 without the Z.
So Pedro B. Rodriguez 7.
There we go.
And Steve, you know, independent journalists like myself, we're not stopping until we start seeing people in handcuffs.
This is only the beginning of journalists being able to go after the deep state.
And we're not stopping anytime soon.
steve bannon
Brother, thank you so much.
Appreciate you.
Love the fighting spirit.
Look forward to hearing from Pedro Gonzalez over at the Daily Signal.
Incredible piece.
Let's make sure you read it, folks.
Study it.
Get to Pedro on social media.
Okay, I got a cold open for one of my favorite guests, John Gardner.
Let's play it.
rick santelli
Exciting.
I think employment cost index.
First quarter number up nine tenths, close to expectations.
Up nine tenths would equal the second quarter of 25 to find a higher cost index.
Here, the first quarter of 24.
Initial jobless claims hitting the wires at 189,000.
189,000.
Wow.
That is truly incredible.
We're looking at levels truly that we probably haven't seen since the late 60s.
This is very, very incredible.
And continuing claims, 1,785,000.
That would be the least going back to August of the summer of 24, actually April of 24.
Now, Let's get into it.
Let's look at GDP.
Our first look, first quarter GDP up 2%.
steve bannon
That's 3%.
2%.
unidentified
Wow.
steve bannon
Gardner, you're my man, not just manufacturing, you're for the small manufacturers.
I got a chart about imports I'm going to talk about in a second, but give me the good news that came out today from Brother Santelli.
john gardner
Oh, lowest jobless claims since the late 60s.
How can you argue with that?
That's Trumponomics.
The good news on that is that for the first time in three years, manufacturing jobs grew as well.
Why I say three years is because.
I don't consider the spike in manufacturing hiring in 2022, 2023 as real.
It was because everybody was laid off during COVID.
I don't consider that a real.
And I'm in the manufacturing industry for the audience.
I've been in the manufacturing industry, own a machine shop since 2005, 21 years of doing this.
So, this is why this first quarter growth in manufacturing jobs is so important to see because I think it's real.
So, that's what's exciting for me on the jobless claims.
steve bannon
We're kind of on fire.
This doesn't get.
Because the business networks don't really get into it.
Bloomberg does, but Bloomberg's fairly technical because more traders really watch that than CEOs.
The more general business, I don't think they do a particularly good job of explaining President Trump's program.
But let me be blunt the tariffs are showing, manufacturing is on fire, and particularly growing, which we want, and hiring and wage growth.
One of the reasons, and I would argue maybe the principal reason, is.
Is President Trump's tariffs coupled with his deregulation?
Sir, your thoughts.
john gardner
Without a doubt, tariffs are all ships rise with the tide, and the tariffs are lifting up manufacturing broadly across North America.
What's interesting to me is how Canada is, President Trump, we need more refining capacity.
The number one weakness in hemispheric defense strategy is North American refining capability.
And what President Trump is doing that I really like is he's telling Canadian steel and aluminum refineries, hey, move your production here.
And that is in the process of happening.
And I agree with you, Steve.
I think there's a lot of things behind the scenes that American manufacturers and the American public don't know that's happening that is drawing manufacturing here and building it up.
And I would love to see that communicated to them more directly, particularly on a chart that came out today.
Imports of capital goods.
unidentified
Rose.
john gardner
Now, you know, the first reaction would be well, imports and Wall Street Journal could spin this in a poor way.
I see it as massively positive because capital goods rather than consumer goods, capital goods are CNC machines to make more things.
We used to import a lot of consumer goods.
Now we're getting to importing the machines to make stuff.
And to be honest with you, America has CNC machines that make stuff, but our American manufacturers don't have the machines of Japan, Germany.
You know, at Switzerland, those machines, we don't make machines as good as that.
And so we're importing them in.
And let me tell you why this is so important to a manufacturer.
What that does is we're building massive manufacturing capacity.
You only build manufacturing capacity when you have confidence.
I know I'm a manufacturer, I have machines in my machine shop.
I only buy a machine if I know that that five year loan that I took to get that machine, I'm going to be able to get the business to pay that loan off.
And so that's why I see this chart that you have up on the screen right now, this big leap.
In imported capital goods, as a matter of fact, and next, what we're going to see next year and the year after is the trade deficit shrinking and exports going up in response to this.
As these CNC machine manufacturers and capital goods manufacturers are building in the process of building their factories here on American soil right now, as Peter Navarro said, you know, these factories be opening up in two to three years.
This is the green shoots of American manufacturing being planted.
So, this chart, I could see Wall Street Journal spinning it poorly, but from someone, How I see the manufacturing industry for the audience is through the lens of being on the phone every day with small manufacturers and big manufacturers, manufacturers of every size.
That's what I do all day and for 21 years.
And so that's why I feel that I can speak to what's happening here because I follow all the economic indexes into Steve.
All the PMI and ISM manufacturing industries have been blowing through the roof since January.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to hit reset on this for a second because you're my small manufacturing guy.
We got all the big manufacturing, but you're sitting there going the heart and soul.
Of American manufacturing and the way to return us to be a manufacturing hegemon, which we used to be, is those smaller companies employing under 100 people or under 50 people.
How has it been?
And people, you have to look at time horizon and duration.
The Liberation Day was last April, the first, it was the second day of April, right?
So just over a year ago.
And of course, you had all the perturbations, you had to go to the Supreme Court.
President Trump has kept, you know, the teams of, uh, Of Besant and Jameson Greer and Navarro fully engaged in this and cutting deals with South Koreans, Japanese, etc.
You've had all the court challenges, but that was just a year ago.
The big, beautiful bill was not, I don't think, passed until mid to late July, early August.
And that takes a while to kick in.
We are only at the very beginning of this kind of Trump revolution to bring manufacturing back here to the United States and return us to a manufacturing hegemon.
Given that timeframe, John Gardner, how do you think we're doing?
john gardner
I think it's incredible to me after living through the recession as a manufacturer and the oil crash in 2014 15 and through COVID.
It's incredible to me to see how quickly President Trump is moving and pushing on this stuff.
Directionally, we're doing incredible.
I think that there's a lot of positive things the administration is doing that is not being communicated to the public that even manufacturers don't know that's going on.
One of the challenges manufacturers have right now, specifically, again, 48% of US manufacturers are five employees or less.
75% of US manufacturers are 20 employees or less.
90% of US manufacturers are 50 employees or less.
And Kelly Loeffler was visiting a manufacturing company, Lehigh Valley Plastics, in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania last month.
They've been a client of mine since 2015.
John Sensinger, Chris England, I know those guys.
I'm deeply embedded in this 90% of the manufacturing in America.
I call them my people, the working class, the middle class.
And so the biggest challenge we have is the price of materials because we have a lack of refining capacity.
But what the administration is tackling this head on tungsten carbide is something that is used to cut metal.
You don't have manufacturing without tungsten carbide.
It also goes in munitions, and we burned a lot of those in Iran.
So there's a tungsten carbide spike way high from $350 a unit to over $3,000.
But what's not being talked about is all the moves the administration is doing to address this.
They're working with all, opening two mines here in America, a third one, Australian mines, Portuguese mines, Uzbekistan mines, Canadian mines.
They're working very hard to address these things.
And as I speak to small manufacturers, I hear, hey, my material costs have gone up, or, you know, hey, you know, the steel is high right now, but they're busier than they've ever been before.
But their material costs are high.
And I'd like to see it communicated more to the public, all the moves on the back end that are being done, because I watch them because that's what I do.
But I think there's a real opportunity there for the administration to communicate the fantastic things they're doing.
That will take time.
Tariffs cause short term pain as there's an adjustment for long term gain.
And we're seeing, I think, in my opinion, of 21 years, a much faster return than I would have expected.
steve bannon
So, overall, you're saying, and since 90% of the jobs, manufacturing jobs, are in shops 50 or less, 48% is under five or less, and what 75% you said are 10 or less or 20 or less?
john gardner
75% of American manufacturers are 20 employees or less.
unidentified
Wow.
steve bannon
So, as you talk to your client base, they are generally happy with the direction of this and see President Trump making positive moves, although obviously the tariffs, it takes a while.
To get the tariffs to kick in.
Obviously, we got issues with oil right now.
President Trump is trying to refine, trying to, because we're an energy superpower, but you have to have the refining capacity.
Generally, directionally, are folks happy with the direction they see this going in?
john gardner
Well, here's a direct quote that I find extremely positive and exciting I'm busier than I've ever been.
I'm busier than I've ever been.
Usually that's followed up by I'm not making as much money as I should be because.
Cost materials are high.
But we have, I talk to these, I've known these people, some of them over 20 years.
We have long conversations and what's this?
And we all say we see where it's headed.
And I think that being this busy, this early on in President Trump's massive global shift of trade is very encouraging.
And the capacity, the machines being bought that we're building, This early on shows that we all believe that.
We all believe in the direction that we're going, or we wouldn't be buying the machines.
That's the bottom line.
steve bannon
Exactly.
That's where that chart, let's get it back up from the Wall Street Journal, Capital Goods.
One day in the not too distant future, John Gardner's dream of having those factories under 50 people that are doing precision manufacturing will replace the Germans and the Japanese, at least somewhat.
But at some point in time, You got to do it.
But that capital goods coming into the country means that we're building a manufacturing base.
And that's the important thing.
John Gardner, where do people get all your writings?
Where do they follow you on social media?
Because you're one of the most upbeat guys I know.
And one of the reasons is you believe in American manufacturing and the little guy.
And of course, the little guy is coming through with flying colors.
So where do folks go?
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john gardner
JohnGardnerAuthor.com or at JohnGardnerVOH on X and Getter and Instagram.
steve bannon
Where do people go to get your book?
I want to, is your book, the original book that's out on, that I love so much, is that out on Amazon?
john gardner
Yes, sir.
Amazon and Barnes Noble.
And yeah, I believe so much in American manufacturing because it can rebuild the working class and middle class and provide the American dream for them.
And that's really what my book is about my dad's journey through the American manufacturing industry and my own journey through the American manufacturing industry to be able to live a middle class.
steve bannon
John Gardner, you keep fighting, man.
You're one of the best.
Thank you so much.
john gardner
Thanks for having me, Steve.
unidentified
Always.
steve bannon
We're going to get Navarro on here.
We've got to do a better messaging job of this.
There's so much good news out there on the economy.
And there's good news politically.
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No, they're not perfect.
Do we have a huge fight in front of us?
Yes, we have a huge fight in front of us.
Can we win?
Yes, we can win.
Are we going to win?
Yes, we're going to win.
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unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
Wow, what an afternoon.
We'll be back tomorrow morning.
We'll be up on it at 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time when you will be back in the world.
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