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April 25, 2026 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 5327: Chaos And Confusion Around Peace Talks; The Elite's Plan To Live Forever

Bannon's War Room Episode 5327 examines U.S. Navy minesweeping shortages in the Strait of Hormuz amidst Iranian peace talks with Kushner and Witkoff, where port blockade preconditions remain unresolved despite a third carrier group deployment. The episode details Trump's alleged weaponization of the Justice Department, potential Democratic impeachment efforts, redistricting conflicts, and DeSantis's AI regulation special session. It further explores transhumanist immortality pursuits by Thiel and Bezos before concluding with Mike Lindell's school policy critiques, suggesting a chaotic landscape where elite longevity ambitions clash with immediate geopolitical instability. [Automatically generated summary]

Transcriber: CohereLabs/cohere-transcribe-03-2026, MahmoudAshraf/mms-300m-1130-forced-aligner, sat-12l-sm, script v26.04.00, and large-v3-turbo
Participants
Main
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joe allen
06:08
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steve bannon
r 19:52
Appearances
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bradley thayer
03:34
b
brett mcgurk
cnn 02:42
b
bryan clark
00:36
j
jim vandehei
02:00
k
ken dilanian
msnow 01:20
m
mike lindell
r 02:11
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nic robertson
cnn 01:29
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tej gill
01:49
Clips
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anderson cooper
cnn 00:18
j
jake tapper
cnn 00:08
s
symone sanders-townsend
msnow 00:21
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Speaker Time Text
Dealing With Strait Mines 00:13:40
anderson cooper
What options are available to the U.S. Navy to clear mines in the strait?
There was a lot of reporting about the minesweepers that were decommissioned, I think it was back in January, that were in the region.
How complicated could this get?
bryan clark
Well, thanks for having me on, Anderson.
Yeah, this is really kind of the worst time for this to happen because the Navy just retired its minesweeping fleet and is still building up its fleet of robotics minesweepers.
So we're kind of at the low point right now in Navy minesweeping capacity.
And right now, what the Navy's challenge is, is trying to get some initial ships in there to be able to start.
Clearing mines because they moved everything out of the strait and out of the Persian Gulf at the start of the war.
So now they're having to bring all of that back in and begin at least the slow process of using robots to search for mines along the transit lane in the strait so we can at least bring Navy ships in and out.
I think that the Navy has largely done that part of it already.
anderson cooper
So is it clear how empowered the Iranian foreign minister is to actually negotiate on behalf of the Supreme Leader and the Revolutionary Guard commanders?
nic robertson
He seems to have the authority of whoever in Iran is controlling.
Is in control of sending him and a delegation to Pakistan to put the Iranians' position face to face to the Pakistani mediators here.
His meeting with the army, the commander of the army, the field marshal here, Asim Maneer, is meeting with the foreign minister, his meeting with the interior minister.
These are the interlocutors that the parliamentary speaker, when he came here from Iran two weeks ago, met with.
So the Pakistanis seem to be taking him as a person representative.
Representing the Iranian position at the moment.
And that's what he says is here to represent.
I think that there's sort of some confusion that I think relates perhaps to sequencing.
The Iranian foreign minister landed about five hours ago.
He landed out at the VIP airport here, is having his meetings very close to that airport in the army headquarters, which is nearby.
As we understand, those meetings have gone through the night about five hours now.
His plane is still on the ground.
But when he came in, he said he was coming here.
and then he was going to go to Oman, and then he was going to go to Moscow.
And it's not clear if the foreign minister spokesman is kind of making a message for public consumption, international consumption.
But it's quite possible Iran's foreign minister is having a meeting here.
He'll take off, leave the country, and may circle back, if all the meetings go well, for that meeting with Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkoff, potentially Sunday, potentially Monday.
symone sanders-townsend
Lance is saying he wants to move more efficiently.
This is Michael Reddit from the New York Times.
He's made very clear that he's going to move more efficiently on the targets more than Pam Bondi did.
We'll put the list of targets up.
I just have to ask you is this normal?
Because we cannot let the extraordinary become ordinary here.
But perhaps I'm being hyperbolic.
Is this normal?
ken dilanian
Oh, gosh, you're not being hyperbolic at all, Simone.
This is the furthest thing from normal.
This is the thing that I find myself having trouble communicating to the American public because it's so extraordinary.
And you're right, we kind of get used to it after a while.
But every single one of these cases is an outrage in the sense that they are built on thin evidence and they're being pushed through the Justice Department often over the objections of career attorneys or they move the career attorneys aside who say, hey, there's no evidence here.
And Todd Blanch, the thing about Todd Blanch is that he knows better.
He was a respected prosecutor in the Southern District of New York for eight years until one day he left his private law firm and decided to go work for Donald Trump.
And he's been making these kinds of compromises ever since.
And, you know, he said the other day that Donald Trump has a right and a duty to tell the Justice Department which cases, which criminal cases to investigate and which targets to go after.
That is the opposite of the way the Justice Department has run, particularly post Watergate.
But even before that, you didn't see this kind of blatant weaponization with the president saying, go investigate that person and find a crime.
This is really bad.
And it's not my opinion.
This is the opinion of all kinds of current and former Justice Department officials and FBI agents that I talk to on a daily basis.
They're horrified by what's going on here, and they're very concerned that we're only a year into this thing.
There's three more years to go.
They've moved aside thousands of attorneys and hundreds of FBI agents, and they're continuing to work their will on this DOJ.
brett mcgurk
Interesting.
If, in fact, because you're right, Anderson, Iran drew a very clear precondition the U.S. has to lift the blockade of Iranian ports before they'll even have talks.
If Iran is now coming to Pakistan and these talks happen, Then they've blinked a little bit.
And that's actually fairly rare for the Iranians to do once they lay down a precondition like that.
So I think that's important to watch.
Second is Pakistan, which Beth just mentioned.
Look, oftentimes when you're dealing with a mediator, they really want this process to succeed.
Pakistan has a lot on the line.
I suspect they're putting some spin on the ball, Anderson, with both sides, suggesting maybe there's some progress when in fact the two sides might be quite far apart.
It's very difficult when you're dealing with mediators.
So hopefully there's a face to face here.
The third point I would say, though, Anderson, is that the third aircraft carrier coming into the Middle East is significant.
I've dealt with Middle East policy for a long time.
Honestly, I've never seen that in my time.
It goes all the way back to 2003.
That is an awful lot of firepower.
And I think at least the U.S. is signaling that if there is not a diplomatic path here, that we are prepared to militarily perhaps take control of the Strait of Hormuz, which is a very difficult military mission, but that seems to be the signaling.
Paris strike group, which comes with destroyers and submarines, unless you're pretty serious about perhaps an operation that can come.
I hope it doesn't come to that.
I hope the diplomacy can get on track, but I share Beth's.
Caution and I'm not particularly optimistic here.
jim vandehei
You need to put the polls in some context.
It's almost impossible in modern polling, given the ideological impulses of base voters, to get much lower than he is in terms of his unfavorable ratings, but also how unpopular he is when it comes to the economy, when it comes to inflation, even when it comes to the non border enforcement part of immigration.
He is very, very low.
Still has Republicans, most Republicans.
With him, but that's even sinking.
And I think the biggest alarm for him and for Republicans is they look at the House map and it looks like almost impossible for them to keep control of the House.
They look at the Senate and they start to look at states like Iowa, Ohio, Alaska, Texas, Maine, all which should be very, very winnable, maybe not even competitive, and they all look suddenly in danger.
To me, the most interesting thing is talking to people around the president.
Their language and body language has changed markedly in the last two months.
They know.
They're in a huge hole, and it's going to be really, really hard to get out of it.
They don't even really defend it anymore.
They understand that we're here by a series of choices that the president made by himself.
How to prosecute this war was his choice.
To do tariffs the way he did was his choice.
To unleash ICE into neighborhoods before ICE was properly trained to do it was his choice.
To then promote that in a very chest thumping type of way was his choice.
And now Republicans are having to pay for that.
And I don't think you're going to see Republicans and Congress necessarily turn on him in force.
But I can tell you right now, there's a tremendous amount of pressure on the people around the president to change this cabinet, to get some more people in here, some fresh blood, some clear thinking.
Or they worry they're just going to get wiped out.
And as we're reporting this morning, day one, Democrats will impeach him.
I don't think he cares that much.
He's been impeached before.
He'll survive it in the Senate.
But that's the fate.
And he can ignore the subpoenas.
Oh, his friends and family can't.
All those companies can't.
Like, he's coming for a political hell, and that's going to be tough.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
You're not going to get a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
Saturday, 25 April, year of our Lord 2026.
Seems to be some core infusion about this, about who are we actually negotiating with, or is there a negotiation?
I do want, do we have the clip?
Can we play about the carrier battle of strike groups again?
I just want to make sure you get the buried lead out of our.
There are two buried leads in the cold open.
Number one is this.
Which we're going to play again.
And then at the end, Jim Vander Hey over at Axios talking about that yesterday piece, the lead on Axios, about how what I've been warning about the Democrats have a very organized, systematic way that they're going to destroy President Trump and the Trump movement once they take, if they are to take the House and the Senator, particularly the House.
And that is why the grassroots in this country and the Trump supporters, the true supporters, are fighting.
Tooth and nail.
Big event this week.
Obviously, the redistricting wars.
And when you hear all these people say, oh, they're redistricting wars, it's total nonsense.
They forget 22.
We wouldn't have had the House unless we did redistricting wars.
New York started, the Democrats started it.
We stole a march on them at 22.
That's why we took the House of Representatives and at least had some sort of control during the madness of Biden's regime.
Let's go ahead and play this again on the.
And Dr. Thayer, I think, is with us.
Let's play this again about the carrier battle groups.
Let's hit it.
brett mcgurk
Interesting.
If, in fact, because you're right, Anderson, Iran drew a very clear precondition.
The U.S. has to lift the blockade of Iranian ports before they'll even have talks.
If Iran is now coming to Pakistan and these talks happen, then they've blinked a little bit.
And that's actually fairly rare for the Iranians to do once they lay down a precondition like that.
So I think that's important to watch.
Second is Pakistan, which Beth just mentioned.
Look, oftentimes when you're dealing with a mediator, they really want this process to succeed.
Pakistan has a lot on the line.
I suspect they're putting some spin on the ball, Anderson, with both sides suggesting maybe there's some progress when, in fact, the two sides might be quite far apart.
It's very difficult when you're dealing with mediators.
So, hopefully, there's a face to face here.
The third point I would say, though, Anderson, is that the third aircraft carrier coming into the Middle East is significant.
I've dealt with Middle East policy for a long time.
Honestly, I've never seen that in my time.
It goes all the way back to 2003.
That is an awful lot of firepower.
And I think at least the U.S. is signaling that if there is not a diplomatic path here, That we are prepared to militarily perhaps take control of the Strait of Hormuz, which is a very difficult military mission, but that seems to be the signaling.
You don't deploy a third aircraft carrier strike group, which comes with destroyers and submarines, unless you're pretty serious about perhaps an operation that can come.
I hope it doesn't come to that.
I hope the diplomacy can get on track, but I share Beth's caution, and I'm not particularly optimistic here.
steve bannon
I think since they're supposedly not going to meet with us and we're not going to deal, President Trump's not going to play games of dealing through intermediaries.
We're back to that again, which is one of the ways we got here in the first place.
I do believe it's not just a third carrier strike group, there's more assets flowing into the region.
And as we have said, there's going to come a point in time.
And remember, we hate this war, but you have to win it.
And we have to win it and kind of move on and get the hell out of there.
The pirate, the Brigands, the Barbary Coast pirates.
That have seized the Strait of Hormuz somehow are going to have to be dealt with.
You can't deal with it diplomatically.
If you can't deal with it through economic coercion, you may have to go in there and just dig them out.
Dig them out, get the Arabs in there as your partner, the Europeans, and then toss it to them.
We got a minute on this side.
Dr. Thayer, on that topic of where we are, your thoughts, sir?
bradley thayer
Well, my thoughts are these.
So there's.
A clearly frenetic diplomatic activity, but it's really in the wrong place Islamabad.
The reports that you had in the cold open, the CNN reports and others, Steve, I think are illuminating.
And Carolyn Levitt has said that the Iranians have requested talks, and whether that's going to be happening today with Witkoff and Kushner obviously remains to be seen.
But this isn't where this issue is going to be decided.
Trump Xi Talks For 2028 00:14:56
bradley thayer
The Iranians are under enormous pressure.
The PRC has signaled that they want.
This issue resolved.
And so I think what's going to be happening is it's going to take President Trump talking more directly with Xi, whether that occurs in May or whether that occurs obviously sooner through other media to bring this to a head.
But the Iranians are under enormous pressure militarily, of course, with the military power that we have, the firepower that we have within the region.
The way that they've been stressed and attraded.
And it seems that there is the opportunity to bring this to a close.
But, Steve, your point about Trump isn't going to be playing games with it.
If the Iranians don't want to come around on enrichment and on the straight, this war is going to start again.
steve bannon
No, no, they're saying, no, we need more enrichment.
They're playing games right now.
They're playing games.
We're going to take a short break.
Financial Times of London.
Following the war room closely.
Talk about that next.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
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It's to make sure that a working class and middle class audience could understand the way the world works.
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Well, lo and behold, right here, Jillian Ted, today's Financial Times of London, right?
The most powerful financial paper in the world, a massive article about something we've talked about on this show.
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Where did you hear that over those years?
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Scott Besant is contributor to War Room.
The sub headlines The Treasury Secretary wants to use swap lines to wait for it.
Lock in dollar supremacy.
That this whole discussion on swap lines is about locking in because obviously they're concerned about the BRICS nations, concerned about, I think the implications in his Scott's testimony the other day, the disorderly sale of assets, of financial assets.
That would be U.S. Treasury, sir.
When Scott Besson, we got a $39 trillion debt, we got to refinance a third of that debt every year, as we tell you.
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We live in times of financial turbulence when the United States Central Bank, the Federal Reserve, and the Secretary of Treasury are talking about.
And as he said, hey, everybody in the Gulf came to us for this to make sure that we lock in against, wait for it, the Chinese Communist Party.
And as Dr. Thayer said, that's what the drill is here the CCP in the United States of America.
It's quite evident.
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Dr. Thayer, and get Tajian here and admit, Dr. Thayer, the third carrier battle group is there for a reason.
Is it not, sir?
bradley thayer
Well, absolutely.
The third carrier battle group is there.
So the amount of naval power that we've brought to the region, of course, is almost unrivaled for this area of the world.
You would have to go back to the wars, 91 or 2003.
Then obviously there's.
steve bannon
Well, in 79 and 80, we had two carrier battle groups on Gonzo Station and Camel Station up in the North Arabian Sea, but this is the close, and they're going to take it.
I also want to recommend there's an item out, if we could put it up.
About why we got into this war, put out by the State Department, that says, and I think I quote, we got into this war because we were at the request of an ally that was being attacked or going to be attacked.
Israel.
Can we get that up?
I want to make sure we got that.
There's another, there's a deeper piece from the State Department you must read.
I want to make sure Grace and Mo push this out, and Elizabeth push this out to everybody so they can see it.
Their words, not mine.
Article yesterday in Politico about how the West Wing thinks Marco is just.
Grown so much and such a great potential presidential candidate.
And then there's a piece in the Financial Times this morning about where's Marco?
Like missing in action.
And so all these articles are coming out.
Here's, I strongly recommend in the New York Times piece the other day, the leak about the National Security Council, where they had the headline, Trump got us in the war, how Trump took us to war.
Let me just make an observation.
I think people in the West Wing, I'm not thinking it's great right now to be leaking about and talking to the media.
About prospects for 2028 and who's going to be prospects for 2028.
Also, when you read the Maggie Haberman piece, it's very disheartening to see direct quotes from JD Vance and Marco Rubio and General Kane basically saying, Oh, we told Trump that the intelligence, the Israelis were lying to us and this was all farcical, but he did it anyway.
We told him about Hormuz, but he did it anyway.
Yeah, that doesn't wash.
Not going to work.
Jim Vander Hey laid it out.
The Democrats are coming for us and they're coming hard.
Don't think their 2028 does not exist right now.
It's not relevant.
Here's what's relevant tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day.
You win the day, you win the week, you win the month, you win the year, you win.
Victory begets victory.
And that's not where we're seeing right now.
Certainly not where we're seeing.
The appellate court yesterday throughout the asylum, you're going to have, unless we move quickly to the Supreme Court and get a stay over the weekend or next week, you're going to have them all lined up down at the border again.
The appellate court threw out President Trump's ban of the asylum seekers.
So we're in it now.
And there's only one path out of here.
And people can bitch and moan and complain and point fingers about how we got here.
I got it.
I hate this war.
But we are where we are, and we got to cut our way through this, get through this, and make sure that we can get everybody back home and refocus on what we need to focus on, which is things like, oh, let me think mass deportations.
Right?
And maybe not spending $1.5 trillion on our military that really helps the Saudis and Europe, all that.
Let them pay for it.
And as we talk about and get set for, looks like a military operation to open up Hormuz since the blockade is working and putting young American citizens, men and women, in harm's way, we got to get those Arab princelings up.
I'm tired of hearing about these guys throwing big parties.
On, you know, when Qatar and UAE and all these guys are throwing big parties on White House correspondence, we get done washing for me.
Doesn't wash that Qatar throws the big party yesterday.
I want to see all those princelings.
I want to see them in the Middle East.
I want to see them in a uniform with a weapon in their hand.
I want to see them ready to go to the cliffs of Hormuz and take on the Persians.
That's what they should be focused on, not partying here and greasing up this town.
What's happening in the imperial capital will make you vomit.
It's absolutely revolting.
And anybody going to these parties and associating with this crowd understand you're nothing but a traitor because you're trying to feather your bed and cut your deals and cut President Trump loose in the MAGA movement.
Not going to happen.
I saw it in Texas and I've seen it in Virginia.
The working class people and the backbone of this movement, they're ready for a fight.
They're down for a fight.
And we're going to have a fight.
So, my recommendation to the West Wing, not that the West Wing, you know, stop the leaks.
Stop pushing people and stop focusing on 2028.
Focus on tomorrow.
Focus on winning tomorrow and then winning this week and what that entails.
Dr. Thayer, your thoughts on how do we use the forcing function to the Chinese Communist Party?
Because right now, I do think we're kind of losing the plot here, running around to Islamabad.
There's no need to go to Islamabad.
I don't think.
They're jerking us around.
They want us to talk to Pakistanis.
We don't need to talk to Pakistanis.
They're controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, too.
We need to have direct talks, the direct talks should be with Xi about how this thing gets wound down, sir.
bradley thayer
That's right, Steve.
So, what has to happen, of course, is that the costs to Beijing are considerable, but they're not sufficient yet.
We need to ensure that Xi Jinping recognizes that the longer this war goes on, the higher costs he's going to have to pay, whether it's the issue linkage or whether it's in terms of oil and coming out of the Hormuz, but also from the Gulf shakedoms, right, from other states as well.
We're going to have to start.
Increasing the cost to Xi Jinping to get him to apply greater pressure to Tehran to use his might to ensure that Tehran is getting a message from everybody that this war has to end.
They're going to have to yield on enrichment and they're going to have to yield on the straight.
I don't think that's going to happen without having the war restarting, this conflict restarting, because the Iranians are not yet.
Well, there are two issues there.
One, who rules in Iran, right?
Who rules in Tehran is a key part of that.
But we haven't broken the wheel yet.
steve bannon
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter who.
They're all bad guys.
They're all theocrats.
Some are worse than others.
No moderates.
But they still report they need to be armed and they need cash money.
They get armed by then the Overland route through the Chinese.
And we caught that vessel the other day out there.
And they take cash by selling oil to the Chinese Communist Party.
Is that not the.
So let's, as Napoleon said, you got a problem you can't fix, scale up the problem and deal with it there.
This is the scale up the problem.
They've shifted the center of gravity of the battle.
They have the initiative.
They have the initiative in this war.
That's an unfortunate statement of fact, but that's reality.
They have the initiative.
And now they're jerking us around.
They may come to Islamabad.
They don't know if they want to meet with us.
They're going to talk to a guy.
I think President Trump said they're going to send a list of their recommendations or their proposals.
unidentified
Send it.
steve bannon
Let's deal with them.
But let's not get, we can't get into a thing or we're going to fly here.
We're going to do this.
You raise them up, it's too important.
bradley thayer
It's kabuki.
It's theater.
It's theater.
And we need to end that, right?
I mean, it's the kabuki dance about Islamabad.
It's got to end.
They're not serious yet.
And they're not going to be serious until they're really feeling it from Beijing and they're really feeling it kinetically from the US.
Your point about other pathways, air routes into Iran, the land routes into Iran, too, are going to have to be watched very closely.
As well.
But my sense is that this is going to continue, that the conflict is going to continue, Steve.
The Iranians are not there yet.
unidentified
No, we're not.
bradley thayer
It's going to be Hormuz.
steve bannon
We're not either.
One way to do it is take away their leverage.
And look, I hate to go kinetic again, but folks, you may have to get there.
Dr. Thayer, where do people go to get your writings on this?
Because you're putting up great stuff all the time on social media.
bradley thayer
Brad Thayer, X and Bradley Thayer, Getter in Truth, Steve.
And so we want to look for increasing strikes in the Hormuz area.
Clearly, when the conflict continues, I just think it's going to happen.
steve bannon
I think President Trump's saying is no games.
I think the Iranians think they can play games now.
I think we have to disabuse them of that idea.
Short commercial break.
Thank you, Dr. Thayer, on a Saturday morning.
I got Joe Allen in the house, Tage Gill next.
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They're trying to strengthen the dollar, which I agree with.
I just don't think we ought to be giving any breaks to the Gulf Emirates.
Our allies, America's greatest ally, our allies.
Yeah, they're allies.
They're throwing big parties here in Washington, D.C. All those punks in Qatar and that embassy ought to be over there in camis with a weapon doing some training right now, not sitting here whining and dining, partying nonstop.
In the United States of America, who in the hell would they be here partying in our Capitol?
It's grotesque.
And if you go to those parties and you're sliming up with them, you're part of the problem.
It's revolting.
Even as we, as Dr. Thayer punched out here and went back to his writing and thinking about this as a geostrategist, the New York Post is reporting wait for it, folks.
The Iranian team has left headline Iranian delegation leaves Pakistan without round two of peace talks with the U.S.
Okay, it's time to stop.
No more of this.
President Trump knows this.
Nothing gets him more irked than playing games.
No more games.
No more games.
We're in this thing.
Bomb Them Into Submission 00:04:06
steve bannon
You got to figure out how to get it to a place that we can come home.
And I think that may revolve around Hormuz.
Tej Gill, there'll be guys like you.
They'll get sent in.
It won't be the princelings.
And by the way, how's that sit with you, Tej?
Knowing you spent 16 tours in places, bad neighborhoods like that.
The Qataris are over here partying, wining, and dining.
Thousands of people going to their eve of the White House correspondence dinner.
So all the people attacking Trump all day long are partying with them over there.
And let me be blunt.
A bunch of Republicans over there partying with them while guys like you were on those Navy vessels getting ready to go in.
tej gill
Yeah, they should be over there.
They should be on the front lines.
I think reopening the strait is going to be a tough task.
Getting all the mines out, and then there are hypersonic missiles in caves all along those cliffs on the Persian Gulf.
And then you have the Iranian drones, the Shahid drones.
So if we can figure out a way to defeat the drones, and basically we have two options either militarily bomb them back to the Stone Age into submission if they submit, or continue.
With these peace talks and trying to make a deal, buddy.
steve bannon
You got two options.
Either to get to Xi and Beijing and say, we got to cut this crap out.
You need to put some pressure on these guys and stop it, and we'll work to open the straits because you're the one bitching and moaning about it.
Or we got to go in.
I think it's going to be.
Those are the two things.
And I hope we don't have to do the latter.
tej gill
Yeah, I think it'll be a tough task.
Straight back open.
Not impossible, but tough.
I think, you know, because we're going to have to demine it.
That's the big thing.
unidentified
And then.
tej gill
They're going to have drones and hypersonic missiles flying around while we're demining it.
So, either, like I said, either bomb them back into submission, which who knows how long that'll take, or if, because all they have to do is survive.
And they've created basically a subterranean country over there with huge ammunition depots and they have factories underground.
So, bomb them into submission or make a deal.
I think that's it.
steve bannon
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What's the best coffee I can get to make sure I have a great rest of my day, sir?
tej gill
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steve bannon
18,000 five star reviews.
Is that correct?
People just got to go read the reviews.
unidentified
Yep.
steve bannon
Just read the reviews.
unidentified
Let's go one more time.
steve bannon
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Where do they go right now?
tej gill
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unidentified
Yep.
Wow.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate you, Taze, for getting up this morning and being on with us.
tej gill
Thank you, Steve.
Thank you for having me on.
steve bannon
Gets us jacked up early in the morning at the 5 a.m. hour.
Joe Allen, there's a huge event taking place this week in a special session being called by Ron DeSantis for the redistricting, and that's going to be a flat out fight.
Dogfight.
Also, in Commonwealth Virginia, folks will cover it on Monday at their Supreme Court.
I think appellate court right now.
I'm not sure it's at the Supreme Court.
The huge fight will carry that.
DeSantis called a special session.
Patchwork State AI Laws 00:06:15
steve bannon
However, he's got two things in the special session, at least two.
The other is this bill, the AI bill.
This morning, Wall Street Journal's reporting certain staff over the White House are not happy with that and they're fighting nonstop to restrict these bills.
We're forced to Have these, Joe Allen, because the simple fact that they haven't put forward a regulatory apparatus yet, a regulatory proposal that has even a modicum of a chance to support.
People have to understand, and they should understand 85% of their followers of our political muscle here hates totally unregulated AI, correct?
I mean, you've now dedicated your life to this, sir.
joe allen
Yeah, the polling shows across the board, the American public is very, very uneasy about AI to say the least.
Depending on the poll, you'll either find a large minority or a majority that are absolutely put out with it.
They want nothing to do with it.
It goes from education to culture, it goes to economics.
So the voters are absolutely on the side of those trying to, at the very least, regulate AI, if not restrict AI.
But, you know, as we've reported, as Elizabeth Mitchell of Daily Signal has been reporting for some time, the White House is basically making every effort to nuke AI.
State level AI bills from orbit.
This happened in Florida, this happened in Utah, it's happening in Nebraska, Tennessee, Missouri, as the Wall Street Journal reported.
So the White House and the advisors driving this are absolutely pushing an agenda that is emanating out of Silicon Valley, emanating out of wealth.
They are relying on these massive war chests, these super PACs, to support their side of the argument, which is basically AI should be unregulated or The regulation should be tailored as lightly as possible.
It should be a light touch approach.
On the other hand, you have the state level approach and the municipal approach against the data centers, in which, when you hear the citizenry out, the citizenry either wants restriction or, in the case of, for instance, the data centers, a total ban, at least in their communities.
steve bannon
Where do we stand?
Because they've taken a couple of shots and now Sachs is gone.
Where do we actually stand with trying to have a coming together on some sort of regulatory apparatus at the federal level?
I do agree.
What you don't want is 50 different regulations or regulatory apparatuses in the 50 states.
But the states, and particularly guys like DeSantis, who's not a guy that fools around, right?
You can see on the redistricting, Ron DeSantis is a very serious guy, terrible presidential candidate.
Made a huge mistake in trying to primary President Trump, but I think a solid governor, and he knows the priorities are.
Obviously, it's better to have a federal apparatus, some sort of federal regulation framework, but there's no meeting in the middle.
They continue to try to jam this thing where there's essentially no regulation whatsoever.
The kids, all the stuff's put back on the parents.
It's just not going to work.
They had three epic fails.
These aren't small fails, these are epic fails to try to do this.
Are they learning as you're dealing in this and dealing particularly in this city?
They're setting up packs and things like that to try to discipline people and get by votes.
But is there any idea now that Sachs is gone that Andreessen or Carp or the rest of these guys are listening to anybody?
joe allen
Well, they seem to be listening to the investors and the executives.
But with Sachs gone, the big question is who the next AIs are will be.
And there are a lot of names floating around.
steve bannon
The number is going to be Carp.
joe allen
That's what I hear.
And if so, then you can be sure.
steve bannon
That's not an upgrade.
No, by no means whatsoever.
No, that is what adds the surveillance state, does it not?
joe allen
That's certainly his interest.
And he's going to be, you can bet, serving the interests of those allies he has among the tech oligarchs.
He'll probably try to push aside people, perhaps people like Dario Amadei at Anthropic.
But, you know, who knows?
The partnership between Palantir and Anthropic is clear with the Maven Smart System.
So it's actually an open question, but you can be sure of this.
Carp is not going to be sympathetic to those who want to restrict or ban AI or any kind of downstream effects of AI.
steve bannon
Doesn't Mythos Review and the way it kind of came onto the scene out of nowhere?
Prove our point that there has to be some sort of like atomic energy commission as it was new.
There has to be something because you're going to continue.
This is not the last time it's going to happen.
It's the first time you're going to see an acceleration of that.
joe allen
Yeah, I think, I actually think that the whole gamut from municipal, from local to state level to federal is going to be necessary.
I mean, these state laws are going to remain in effect unless you have federal legislation that preempts it.
So that whole patchwork, so to speak, I think is actually going to be really important because it's going to speak.
To local and regional communities as opposed to this one overarching federal thing.
But in regard to something like Anthropic and Mythos, you know, you've got this massive neural network, this large language model that was designed to code and is capable of finding vulnerabilities and exploiting those vulnerabilities across the board.
It's extremely dangerous.
Now, Anthropic made the decision not to release it except to certain corporations like NVIDIA, Microsoft, Amazon Web Services.
But in the future, you don't have that kind of assurance.
bryan clark
So great.
steve bannon
Those are the guys I would want to really.
joe allen
And they were hacked.
Reportedly, they were hacked.
And hackers had access to Mythos for some length of time.
So I think that it is reasonable if you can staff an agency like the Department of Energy with AI experts who understand the technology and work with people who have worked in surveillance and monitoring and regulation of nuclear material.
And the reason you'll have.
steve bannon
For the audience, the reason you do it through the Department of Energy, they control the weapons labs, or what we call the national labs.
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
And the national labs.
The weapons labs are central to this entire evolution of this, correct?
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unidentified
Yes.
joe allen
And then you have other proposals, like we reported with Sam Altman and OpenAI.
They would prefer that it's the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, CASE, which is, as we talked about then, kind of a nascent organization.
And so perhaps, pure speculation, but perhaps Altman and the fellows at OpenAI are eyeing that agency because it would be easier to control.
steve bannon
Okay, when we come back, I'm going to ask the question now.
I'll give you a second to chew on it.
You just said preemption.
They are still pushing.
You say there's going to be a patchwork or some sort of ecosystem of various state regulations and local municipal regulations.
But their driving force and focus in the reason for the Wall Street Journal, they leak to the Wall Street Journal, is that they are pushing still a total preemption where they get something passed up here that preempts that and makes the federal law the supremacy.
It's supreme to everything else.
That's their goal.
Okay, take a short break.
Joe Anna's going to stick with us.
Also, we're going to get Mike Lindell.
Another situation up in Minnesota where the public schools are offering, they won't put the Ten Commandments up and they will never put a cross up.
But guess what?
They're going to set aside space in public schools in Minnesota for Muslim prayer rooms, believe it or not.
Okay, short commercial break.
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War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
Okay, we slammed for time.
So, bottom line is they are trying to push for this preemption.
We're fighting this.
More on that during the week.
We said when you first came on here five years ago, four or five years ago, transhumanism, you're an editor because all the oligarchs think about is living eternal life.
This is what they focus on.
unidentified
Why?
steve bannon
Because they're godless, atheistic demons that want eternal life.
Karen Switzer, the great tech reporter, now has a running show on a limited series, I think, on looking for eternal life.
And she's dialed into all the tech guys.
This is what she does every week.
They got this article.
Was it Wall Street Journal?
joe allen
New York Times Magazine.
steve bannon
New York Times Magazine talked to me about all their focus on is eternal life.
You don't think this makes them dangerous, folks?
Joe Allen.
joe allen
Yeah, Mark O'Connell did a fantastic job putting together just really a who's who in the current immortality scene.
The article is entitled.
The rich and powerful want to live forever.
What if they could?
And I encourage the audience to read it and read it to the end.
But, you know, he's jumping off of Putin and Xi having the conversation on their way to Tiananmen Square.
unidentified
You heard it.
steve bannon
You heard it.
The open, the merger.
unidentified
Yes, hot mic.
joe allen
And they're talking about, you know, with science being at the level it is today, soon, perhaps, we'll be living forever.
And I mean, this is really, this idea has suffused Silicon Valley.
You know, in this article, it's a fantastic piece and it falls into a longstanding genre.
One of the best examples of the genre, the genre of immortality tech, the Great Mambo Chicken and the Transhuman Condition by Ed Regis.
And that's from 1990.
And at the time, Ed Regis is going around to different scientists looking at their projects, right?
It's pretty fringe at that point.
By the time I started reporting and writing on this five years ago, you already had people like Peter Thiel, you had people like Jeff Bezos, Ray Kurzweil, Martine Rothblatt, all of these people pushing towards.
Immortality tech.
And these aren't, I mean, they may be a bit fringe to the regular audience.
steve bannon
It's not fringe.
joe allen
But at this point, Putin and G, you don't get much more mainstream than that.
steve bannon
Peter Thiel's trying to run the West Wing.
unidentified
Come on.
steve bannon
This is behind the facade of everything they're doing on AI and to take absolute control of your life, absolute control.
The sociopathic overlords, as Ben Harnwell calls them, are focused primarily on extending their life forever, not yours.
joe allen
What's wild is that dichotomy, though, between this obsession with using AI.
To improve health, to monitor the body, to come up with cures, and then extend life basically forever.
So you have eternal life on the one hand, but then there's the obsession with human extinction.
And so you've got total death on the other.
These extremes look, I agree with Mark O'Connell.
I've said it many times.
I said it in Dark Aeon.
These people are not going to live forever.
If you look at Ray Kurzweil today, it's not looking too hot for immortality.
And as they die off, I think people will be much less inclined to push in these directions.
But right now, it's like a death call.
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steve bannon
I cannot disagree with you more.
I'm not saying this first wave is going to live forever, but the demons that follow them, but here's the reason they want to live forever.
They don't care about you and they don't care about your life, right?
They want to replace you with a robot, with a machine to cut costs.
And Elon's going to give you a tip.
He's going to give you universal basic income.
He's going to give you $15,000 a year.
Hey, Elon, here's what we're going to get.
We're going to get direct equity ownership, not by the government, but by U.S. citizens.
50% of every one of these companies' stock goes to U.S. citizens.
It gets divvied up and you become an equity holder.
You're not getting some tip on universal basic income.
That's an insult.
Now we're saying it's.
Universal high level income.
They're going to double your slave weight.
They're going to make you serve for twice as much.
joe allen
Speaking of Elon Musk and Xi Jinping and China, one of the best parts of the article that McConnell wrote is looking at the 24 histories in China, the histories of the dynasties.
And he points out that during the Tang Dynasty, like 7th to 10th century AD, that during the Tang Dynasty, you had no less than six emperors who drank the concoctions of their Taoist alchemists and died.
Died immediately.
Yes, and I think that's probably indicative of where this is going.
steve bannon
Okay, where do people go to get your writings?
This guy's on a crusade now.
One of the most important people in this country is Joe Allen, fighting this every day here in the Imperial Capital.
Where do they go?
joe allen
Keep up at joebot.xyz and at joebot.xyz on X. If you get a chance to see Joe Allen live, take it.
steve bannon
It's an experience like no other, and he'll work the crowd, and you'll get not just a selfie, but you get to really meet him.
Joe Allen, thank you so much, brother.
Always fantastic.
Mike Lindell.
Minnesota, why are you allowing, sir, Muslim prayer rooms in public schools when you can't have a Ten Commandments or a cross or anybody, any kid praying there for Christianity, sir?
mike lindell
Yeah, isn't this something, everybody?
Remember a few years ago, and right before we went in for the virus, I spoke at the Rose Garden.
I said a nation had turned its back on God.
We had taken God out of our schools, and we need to get back in the Word and back with our families.
And, Steve, they want to replace.
God with Islam.
And Minnesota, I said back then, was the Trojan horse for Islam and the invasion of Minnesota, in which it is.
You had what's going on right now, OSEO schools, they just voted to bring in Islam inside the classrooms.
And this is 20 minutes from where I grew up, where my kids went to school, is five minutes from my Christian church.
This is horrific.
Steve, one of the things when I'm governor, I'm going to be fighting this.
This is one of my number one things.
You go to mikelindellgov.com, everybody.
Remember, Waltz has bragged on Jimmy Kimmel that we're Minnesota nice and we do all this.
Well, there's a difference between nice and stupid.
I mean, this is where we're at.
We have to fight this head on.
I talked to the teachers in Minnesota, and they have a thing where part of their wages go to fund these no king rallies and stuff, and they're afraid to sign the sheet to get off of that.
They said they have problems in the classrooms, but there's no discipline.
Putting in these prayer rooms to interrupt the class during the day.
Steve, it's absolutely disgusting.
And I'm going to fight it.
I think I'm the only Republican that even has the courage to say, you need to ban Sharia law.
We need to have this head on.
steve bannon
Okay, we got Founders Fire.
Arthur Herman is going to replace Joe Allen.
He's going to be in the war room.
He's coming into the war room next.
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steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
See you Monday.
Arthur Herman in the house next in the war room.
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