Episode 5115: Unregulated Immigration Strips A Country Of Identity
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If you watch Fox News, they're winning every day so they don't have to vote.
But there's something else quite dark going on in this country.
Very, very, very scary.
And you see in the streets of Minneapolis, but also in the voting box in New York City.
And we're going to have Naomi Wolf, who's worked on this, and Jackie Torborov, to talk to you about the DSA, the Working Family Party, kind of the Red-Green Alliance, because they're running the deal.
And I'm telling you, in Texas, you saw a little bit of that, and nobody really wants to get their arms around it.
I want to first go to Ben Harn.
Well, Ben, in Europe, we've already seen this.
One of the reasons France has fallen.
England's fallen.
Now you're going to have, you know, I keep telling people, if Le Pen and Nigel don't get in there quickly and try to turn this thing around, I think London and Paris, I think you're heading towards a civil war there in a couple of years.
And I think if you talk to people, the Tommy Robinsons of the world and others have to face this every day, they would not disagree.
Look, your introduction there is basically the pitch of what we do on our Friday show, our Friday battleground show every week.
Last Friday, for example, we had Professor David Betts on from King's College, London, the great expert on civil, on war in the modern era, who says this is his thesis.
We've had him on the show before.
This is his thesis that the UK is heading towards civil war.
And I asked him, even if, Professor Betts, I said, even if Nigel Farage gets to form a government at the next election, surely that will slake the anger somewhat of the UK.
And he says, no, the trends in the UK are so set towards civil war.
Is going to happen whether Nigel Farage is elected or not.
That's a very serious academic coming out with that prospect.
And we're watching this on our Friday show on the warm extreme, extremely closely.
But it's not just the UK, you know, Steve.
You asked your question going around Europe.
I'll come on to Italy for perhaps in a moment, if I will, and the European Union.
What I would like to talk about today is Spain.
This is something else that we covered on the Friday show.
Now, I don't know if you know, but in Spain, the hard-left government of Pedro Sanchez doesn't have the parliamentary arithmetic to do what he's going to do, which is to legalize, regularize, Steve, 500,000 illegal third-world invaders.
So they're going to skip parliament and get it done via royal decree.
The consequences for Europe, once they have that paper, you see, these people, they can then travel right across the European Union.
That's the risk.
What I want to cite today, this is the development since we hit this story on Friday, is that the hard left Spanish politician Irene Montero, who's basically the Spanish equivalent of AOC, she says this, and the response to this quite appropriately has been the mask is slipping.
She says, I hope for replacement theory.
I hope we can sweep this country of fascists and racists with immigrants.
That's it.
That's the pitch of these people, Steve.
And these are your allies, right?
These are your European NATO allies.
As President Trump and his administration quite rightly said in the US national security strategy released in December, if Europe goes down this road of ever more immigration, then these European countries will no longer be of any use to America as allies.
There's the hard throwdown from the US administration.
It is having an effect on Europe, but possibly not the effect, Steve, that you're looking for.
And the effect is increasive, increasing performative response from your European capitals, from your European chances.
They're starting to talk in language which is more acceptable to the US administration, but their actions behind that are totally the opposite.
Let me cite, before I give back to you, let me just cite one example.
I said I'd come on to Italy.
So you have Georgia Maloney and she's out sort of there sort of preening herself, especially now, sort of preparing for the Olympics later on this week.
She's certainly going to be the queen bee there.
And she's pushing out this line that don't worry, don't worry, Italy is going to meet the 5% commitment.
We're going to, President Trump is perfectly reasonable.
We're going to meet this 5% defense of GDP ratio that he'd like us to do.
What she's not telling you is that she's sneaking into an order to get that figure up from 2% to 5%.
She's sneaking in a bridge between Sicily and mainland Italy, which she's calling a national security issue.
She's putting in the pensions of the defense sector and she's putting in the expenditure for the Coast Guard, right?
Which hasn't, by the way, which hasn't succeeded in stopping anybody from coming in illegally.
That's what European allies are doing, Steve.
So to answer your question, with all that in mind, yes, Europe is ending.
It is finishing.
It's not finished yet.
As the end comes ever closer and nearer, you get to see a good portion of the elected are becoming ever more stronger and hardline in their refusal to allow their thinking and their words to be shaped by a sociopathic overlord.
So the question here, of course, is will it be enough in time or will it be too little, too late?
I put up the other day, we didn't play in the cold open because, or maybe we did, it was in Spanish with a subtitle.
But the politician, the AOC of Spain, she just said it out loud.
She goes, We have more in common with the migrants we're going to let in from North Africa than we have with the right-wing and the conservatives in this country.
And yes, it is replacement theory, and we are replacing you.
Dave, and I said when I saw that, that's exactly what they're telling you in Minneapolis.
That's exactly what Mandami is telling you.
The only reason they won't say it is that will then reinforce what they've said is a right-wing conspiracy theory.
And who they're replacing, essentially, in the United States, they're trying to, and you're starting to hear voices come up and say this, is first off, African Americans, African-American citizens, Hispanic American citizens.
Yeah, well, Harnwell does a great job of giving the overview there.
I think some famous economist Keynes or somebody said, you know, like it or not, two philosophers have shaped the world we live in today: Karl Marx under communism and Adam Smith under freedom, roughly speaking.
And roughly speaking, also there, Adam Smith wasn't exactly orthodox, but it's basically the competition between a society framed around the Judeo-Christian tradition, Western Europe, Christianity, of course, in Adam Smith, Scotland, versus Marx's China and Russia, and communist atheism.
And so, if you follow that line of thought today, how are we doing?
Well, there's no more systematic thought, right?
There's all sorts of news articles out there today about the psychic pain people are feeling, the anxiety, the tectonic plates shifting in the economy due to artificial intelligence.
And so, people are high on the nerves right now.
Why is that?
Another reason is because people don't have any of the comfortable systems of thought in their mind anymore that helps to anchor you in a world of chaos, right?
Of course, God is the slayer of chaos right in the beginning of the Bible in Genesis.
But in our grand traditions right now, the great Protestant and evangelical traditions, we don't have systematic thinkers anymore, systematic theology and philosophy, as you had in Luther and Calvin.
Now you've got some crazy evangelical nuts out there just making stuff up.
On the Catholic front, you've got a bunch of sentimental priests here and there doing NGO work instead of providing systematic accounts of the gospel and the religion.
On the Jewish front, you got rabbis who are detached and not tethered anymore to the Torah and to the Old Testament scripture and to God.
Very few theologians these days referring to God at all in any sphere.
And so it's no wonder when you lose those kind of things, right?
Harvard was founded back in 1640.
Their motto was truth for Christ and church for a couple hundred years.
That is no longer to be found.
And so we are living in very chaotic times.
As Harnwell said, it'll be very hard, very, very hard, difficult to put that genie back in the bottle.
It's still possible.
We can still do it.
The church is still there.
85% of the people are still there on certain issues we've been covering all morning, and they need to act.
Well, let's talk about Brent before I go to Jackie and Naomi.
Ben on this, you know, he does the traditional evangelical and Catholicism on Wednesday.
On Friday, he does turn it over to talk about what's happening in Europe and this revolution is coming.
When you have a guy at King's College that's a tenured professor and one of the top thinkers in this, and he goes, now if Nigel Farage gets, if reform comes in, which is historic to beat labor and particularly the Tories, they haven't done it in 250 years, it's just slowing it down.
It's not going to change it.
You're going to have a civil war.
And if you've ever studied English history, when they have civil wars like under Cromwell, it gets a little nasty.
Yeah, no, you're going to a civil war.
That type of talk from academicians has to be an alarm to people here in the United States.
We're heading down this path unless we stop it now, ma'am.
Yeah, before we even get to that, in 2026, I mean, there are less deaths linked to ICE than there are to Zohran Mandani's policies.
16 people are dead because of this New York City winter storm.
13 of them froze to death.
This goes back to Zoran Mandani's policies.
He refused to let NYPD disband and destroy these encampments.
This is part of his whole, you know, Islamist socialist utopia and bringing forward the revolution, which is exactly what DSA Democratic Socialists of America is looking to do: bring the revolution and destroy specifically the financial capital of the universe, which is New York City and really Manhattan.
Now, they kind of hide that because you listened to all the, before he was in, the way they're going to govern is like the Bolsheviks beforehand.
They talked about democracy, right, when they were a small minority party.
But you did listen to all the hours of it.
And what he did is really take the populist nationalist, some of Trump stuff, and really talked about, you know, very, you know, because he had all those funny videos walking through groceries, it was about affordability, getting groceries down, free buses, et cetera.
He wasn't talking a revolution.
It wasn't like the night he won that you saw the mask come off and he's telling Trump, are you listening?
What I would say is as soon as he, you know, won that primary, or actually, I guess this was even before when he started to really get national attention, you start to listen to his interviews.
He was very disciplined in what he talked about.
And he talked about, it was all populism talking points.
Now, I'm very curious to see how he actually governs.
And even if he, you know, tries to enact some of these policies, there's no way they're even going to be successful.
But his rhetoric during that time was extremely disciplined and extremely, at some points, I even told you, I'm like, I can't tell if I'm listening to Steve Bannon or Mom Dami.
And it was because that was a very calculated, coordinated thing that he was doing there.
And we have to be very careful in watching what he's doing.
I think he's going to be similar to what Sarah Palin was for us in 2010 and getting the turnout.
He's going to be the one that they send around as their number one person to drive out turnout all around the country outside of New York City.
But I'm terrified for New York City, but I think we're about to see a lot of him on the road.
Well, first, I just want to like echo what these ladies have said together.
This is a fantastic analysis of what's happened in New York.
And you're right.
I spent six months often on this show trying to warn people what was coming at New York and that, as you point out, it's not just going to impact New York.
It's really a model for what they're going to do to the rest of the country.
I would add that I don't think that the decisions that Mamdani is making are just authentic, organic.
I'm a Marxist.
I want the revolution.
I think it's a whole new thing we've never seen before.
Well, we saw it with the Biden administration.
In other words, I think a lot of what he's doing is what China, I believe, did, or the people running Biden did with the Biden administration, which was demonstrate the humiliation, a theater of humiliation for the whole country and the White House and Congress, like all of these dramatic, florid demonstrations of bizarre appointees or fetishists or people who stole luggage.
You know, it was all very deliberately chosen to narrate to the world that the great United States had fallen and was a laughingstock.
And that was effective.
And so I think the same people with the same playbook are kind of running Mamdani.
And so we're getting a theater of humiliation for this great financial capital of the United States, New York City.
I don't think it's a mistake that, you know, eight days after a big storm, there's still piles of trash attracting rodents, impassable mountains of filthy snow, you know, that disabled people can't get past, elderly people can't cross, slowing down ambulances, making a really dangerous as well as just humiliating spectacle of this great city and its boroughs.
But also, if you look at his appointees, Steve, they're very deliberately chosen for the kinds of news stories that then follow.
C. Weaver, who this young woman chosen to be a tenant's advocate, who said basically, you know, white people shouldn't own real estate, and real estate is a crime, and property is theft.
You know, that's very deliberate to message New York has fallen, that this great engine of wealth through real estate is no longer stable.
More recently, he appointed my son Linnen, a rapper-turned activist for a committee on public safety.
My son Linen was an armed robber who did time for armed robbery and some of the most kind of destabilizing forms of crime.
He robbed taxi drivers.
So it's like the this, and over and over again, you know, the woman who had to step aside because her posts about Jews were so inflammatory and hateful and anti-Semitic.
It's it, you know, and these dead homeless people.
I don't think this is an accident.
You know, it's very predictable.
If you've got single-digit weather for a week and you're like, don't break up the homeless camps, people are going to die.
We know this.
Eric Adams was on social media, the former mayor, saying, This is predictable.
Are you an idiot?
It's all a theater of, and it's 30 days in, God knows what's ahead for us, demonstrating that we are broken.
We're at the mercy of this Islamist Marxist, and this is just the beginning.
I'm going to go to commercial break, but I want to come back for this theater of humiliation.
I made a comment last week on in Minnesota when Waltz called out the National Guard, right, to protect the rioters from the ICE agents, from President Trump's, from the country's ICE agents.
He, the first day he called them out, he put them in the yellow vest of the sanitation department and had them serve the rioters coffee and donuts on that first Saturday.
This is, I said at the time, this is the exact same thing they did in the Cultural Revolution.
The kids in the Cultural Revolution to humiliate their elders, to humiliate their teachers.
They put the dunce cap on, right?
This is part of a Marxist revolution.
This is what Marxists do.
They've done it since the French Revolution.
They did it in the Bolshevik Revolution.
They did it in the Communist Revolution, the CCP's revolution in China.
It is a theater of humiliation.
It's to tell you the old ways are destroyed.
And if you stick by the old ways, we will humiliate you.
That is what's coming to the United States.
That's the lesson to learn in Texas 9.
The fight is going to be nationwide.
Do not think, as we said over and over again, and Jackie Torborov and Naomi Wolf warned you and warned you and warned you.
Okay, to make you feel good, folks, breaking news, Caroline Wren.
I was just reading about how it seems that Republicans have backed down on the SAVE Act and are going to try to close this situation with not shutting down the government, with coughing up the SAVE Act, not putting it in a vote.
We'll have more about that this afternoon.
Jackie Torborov, you and I have talked the city, this ritual of humiliation for New York.
You went around, took six months of your life, and you went around and talked to all the elite, all the same elite that's going to leave New York City and head to Palm Beach and take all the hedge funds down there.
That's their equivalent of London, the cities of London's elite leaving for Dubai and Istanbul because they're going to surrender.
They're not going to fight.
Did you get any traction at all when you warned the elites that this was going to happen?
I mean, you know, I come from a background being a Democratic political consultant, and we don't sit around like that.
You know, like if there's a huge danger coming at us, we mobilize, you know, we network.
And I was astonished that people whose interests were going to be torpedoed by this obvious Marxist Islamist, you know, weren't defending their own interests the way they would have even, I think, 20 years ago in old New York, that the, you know, the moneyed interests would have mobilized in their own defense.
I don't understand the paralysis of, and I would say kind of nefariousness of the elite Republican establishment in relation to what was going on.
I don't understand how they ignored what a big news story it was that you had, you know, half a dozen black and Hispanic, young, telegenic, inspiring from the community.
On a lighter note, or I guess a counter-revolutionary note, we got Andrew Colvette from Turning Point and the host of the co-host of the great Charlie Kirk show that follows us every day.
Andrew, last night we found out in working through with you guys that Real America's Voice is going to cover, you guys are doing an alternative halftime show.
Can you walk that through us and how we can follow this and how we can see who the acts are?
Actually, the great Jack Pesobic helped inspired it, Steve.
I think you'll remember that.
You know, there was just such a backlash to some of the acts and the approach that the other guys, Steve, I got to be careful with the language I use here because we are going up against the pro football machine.
And there was such a huge backlash against kind of the anti-American, anti-patriotism, anti-ICE angle that was coming out of that.
And so, and all the artists are going to be doing special stuff, special tributes, some of the best songs, the best known songs people will be able to sing along.
So it's all around, Steve.
I could not be happier.
And yesterday, Kid Rock, the show, Turning Point, we're all trending number one on X.
No, and what's amazing about it, we're going to stream it live, Real America's Voice.
We'll have it.
You guys will have it also.
I think all the warnings people gave and the reason you and Pesopic and others started working this and President Trump is in front, you saw it at the Grammys.
I mean, at the Grammys, you saw just the ice out, anti-American, all of it.
And it really, I think, pays off for all the work you guys have done.
Of course, it's a cabal with the NFL.
We're fortunate enough to get a stadium for Charlie's Memorial Service, but they're not going to let you guys have one for doing an alternative to the halftime show, which they always try to make as a cultural touchstone.
And this is why I think it's so important that people on the right try to do it.
How do we get to this now?
This is going to be at half.
So it's no set time, although I think the game starts at 6.30 Eastern time.
So it should be around 8, 8.30 that time.
And it's going to be for 30 minutes when you start.
I don't want to give too much away, Steve, but all every single artist has been, you know, how do we make this special?
How do we take this over the top?
How do we make it so the whole family can tune in, right?
Like if you don't want to have your kids, if you're gathered your family together for the big game and you don't want your kids to have to celebrate, you know, queer identities and dresses and hate on law enforcement, then you're going to have an opportunity to have something that you know you can get behind that's going to celebrate America, that's going to celebrate faith, family, and everything that should be uniting this great and wonderful republic that we all love so much.
So we feel like Charlie would be really proud and would really love this opportunity and this effort that we put together.
Rob and Parker Sig want to thank Real America's Voice.
Of course, the whole Turning Point crew and Charlie would be very proud of what you guys have done.
This is not easy to execute.
That's why we need everybody to tune in at halftime.
And remember, the halftime is always double what it is in a normal pro games because there are all these festivities at the queer identity and anti-American ice out over at the NFL.
But we're going to watch it here in Real America's Voice.
Andrew, your show follows ours as it has for, I guess, last four or five years.
The Charlie Kirk show, you're the co-host.
What's your social media?
Where do people go to find out more about this, sir?
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Well, in summary, you know, I kind of give the downside to Western Civ and the collapse of faith and systematic thought across the board.
But the good news is, look at that turning point model, the kids in this country, right?
They got the senior folks funding them.
And we need to utilize these kids.
These kids have millions of followers.
They know how to make stuff go viral.
So, if you're having a hard time with your church group or your Republican Party, breakfast only has 30 people, et cetera, your own NGOs on the conservative side.
Use the young kids, get stuff to go viral, and beat the bad money.