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curt mills
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steve bannon
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bradley thayer
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brian hooker
04:06
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katy tur
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ken dilanian
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mike lindell
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peter baker
nytimes 00:54
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jake tapper
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Voting Machines Conspiracy 00:02:50
katy tur
Times reports that the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, met with federal agents the day after the FBI raid on a Georgia election center.
According to three people with knowledge of the meeting, at one point, Gabbard pulled out her cell phone and called President Trump, which is totally not normal.
She put the president on speakerphone, and then he proceeded to ask the FBI agents questions before praising them for their work on the investigation in Fulton County.
Again, that is not normal.
Why is that not normal?
ken dilanian
Because the FBI is supposed to be independent from the White House, Katie.
And it would be one thing if the president was calling some FBI agents who had just participated in a dangerous operation to grab a fugitive overseas.
This is an investigation that goes directly to Donald Trump's political agenda and to the conspiracy theories that he's been spinning about the 2020 election.
And we don't know the extent to which we don't know the evidence that they have that allowed a federal magistrate judge to approve that search warrant.
But we do know that Donald Trump is trying to suggest that this evidence bolsters some of the wackadoodle conspiracy theories that he's been spinning for a long time about Italian satellites and voting machines that flip votes in Georgia and all kinds of things that have been totally debunked.
And I can tell you, look, I haven't confirmed this to the satisfaction of MS Now, but I caught wind of this story and I have no reason to doubt any of the details that have been reported.
And my understanding is the agents were very, very disturbed and concerned by the whole appearance and the whole way that this played out, because to have Donald Trump with an interest in the outcome of this investigation, getting on the phone and talking to them, it's just not how things are done.
peter baker
What he talked about after the 2020 election when he lost but refused to admit it, right?
Mike Flynn, we talked about him just a minute ago, came to the Oval Office along with Sidney Powell and a couple others, and they urged him to use the military to seize the voting machines.
Okay, he didn't do that at the time.
But just the other day, when he talked to my colleagues from the New York Times, he actually expressed some regret that he didn't.
He said he should have used the military to seize voting machines in 2020.
So the election, the lesson that he's taken from that election is not to keep your hands off an election, but in fact, to do more to try to control it.
And he's talking about taking over 15 states.
He's not talking about taking over states that gave him the vote.
He's talking about taking over blue states so that they can't give votes to Democrats running against him or his chosen successor.
And I think that's going to send a real alarm signal through a lot of Democratic precincts right now.
katy tur
You have some brandy reporting about Ed Martin, the Justice Department lawyer, who's been the leading advocate for a lot of the investigations that Donald Trump wants into his political adversaries.
What's going on with Martin?
Regime Change Rhetoric 00:15:31
ken dilanian
That's right.
Ed Martin, a polarizing figure, even by the standards of the second Trump administration, remember, Stop the Steel co-founder, defended January 6th defendants, and has been a leading advocate for these investigations that target Donald Trump's political adversaries.
He, as we understand it, we've been told by three people, he's been sidelined from his role as heading the so-called weaponization working group, in part over his feud, long-standing feud with Todd Blanche, the Deputy Attorney General, who is said to just loathe, absolutely despise Ed Martin.
And so Ed Martin remains the pardon attorney.
That's another one of his jobs.
And the Justice Department spokesperson told us in a statement, hey, Ed has been appointed pardon attorney and he's been doing a great job at that.
He did not address what we understand to be the sidelining of Ed Martin from, I think, the role he cares more about, which is the weaponization working group role.
But that's our understanding.
He is not exercising that role right now.
He's at a different office, not at Maine Justice, working on pardons, which in and of itself is a very controversial part of the Trump administration.
But in terms of his efforts to go after people like James Comey and Letitia James, he's not involved in that anymore as we understand it.
unidentified
Go after the ones who are killing the people.
Put this regime on notice.
We're never going to let up.
Strangle their economy.
It will fall.
The people will take over.
And over time, we will have a friend in Iran, not an enemy.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you're going to like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Battle.
steve bannon
It's Monday, 2 February, Year of Our Lord, 2026.
Welcome to the Welcome to the Afternoon, late afternoon, early evening edition of the War Room.
We will have War Room Texas right after this hour as we talk at Warroom Texas about what happened over the weekend on this election in Senate District 9 as we get ready for this run-up to the three March primary.
I want to talk about Tulsi Gabbard, Ed Martin, Laura Loomer.
Let's start with Tulsi Gabbard.
I asked Kurt Mills to join us.
Kurt, today, President Trump's announced, Witkoff's announced, I think he's flying over to the Middle East to do a wellness check on Netanyahu.
But there's a beginning of talks.
I think it may take place in Turkey.
Erdogan may have some role here as a mediator, but it looks like we're on talks, although we've got assets in place in theater, including a carrier strike group, I guess, in the North Arabian Sea, or the Lincoln strike group has been kind of in and out, but we have enough assets there.
And of course, this all gets back to the intelligence, what the president's being told.
But it looks like the president is taking the route of continued economic warfare.
He announced a deal for China to buy oil from Venezuela.
He had cut their oil off first, but he mentioned that they wouldn't be buying it from the Ayatollah, the Mulas anymore.
He's got a deal with Modi.
Dr. Thayer is going to join us momentarily.
He says he's got a trade deal today.
Part of it's to get the Russian, not buying Russian oil.
Walk me through, first off, where do you stay in this Iran situation?
Tulsi Gabrier has been such a big part of DNI of really giving us a balance of intelligence.
And of course, Mark Levin, which I think is fine.
Mark Levin, I think, took the first 18 minutes of his show last night to make the case for why you go Kinetic right now for regime change in Iran.
Kurt Mills.
curt mills
Yeah, it looks as if it's a real 11th hour night fight on the Iran file.
End of last week, end of January, it seemed as if it was all systems go for a imminent strike by the United States on the Iranians.
Over the weekend, the situation changed.
The Iranians came back to the table, I would say, on two tracks.
One, the Russian track, which I think in some ways might be the more important one.
And then secondly, what is also known as the Istanbul track.
And there was discussions in both capitals about how to avoid a war.
And it appears as we're heading into Friday that number one, the entire region's getting involved, including Turkey, including Saudi Arabia, including others, including Qatar.
And additionally, Trump is not only sending Wickoff, but he's also sending Jared Kushner, his son-in-law.
So it seems as if it's all of the heavies to get a last-minute negotiation.
Per multiple reports, the Iranians have offered to move more nuclear material out of the country, which would seemingly be a concession that the U.S. strikes last June did not get all the nuclear material.
And then it's very possible that they might agree to further abrogate their program beyond levels that they had even conceded.
So it is very possible that Trump is able to get a deal that is better than JCPOA, better than the Obama-Iran deal, by a country mile, frankly, while avoiding a second war.
There's a lot going on, though, as you allude to.
This Gabbard story comes across the wire in Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal this morning, Monday on the 2nd.
And it is curious the timing.
Apparently, there was a whistleblower complaint about her last spring.
This was as Gabbard sort of fell out of the president's good graces and Gabbard testified to Congress that the Iranian nuclear program was not a major threat to the United States, which of course it is not as it currently stands.
And it is a question of whether or not there's an effort to further sideline Gabbard again, because Gabbard's in this unusual position, right?
She has not been fired.
She has one of the big four national security jobs, along with Sec State, NSA, and Secretary of War.
And Gabbard, apparently, is overseeing Trump's efforts to investigate the results of the election in 2020 in Georgia.
So why a disclosure now?
Why a journal report on this now?
It is curious.
And then additionally, the complaint itself, and finally, the complaint itself was lobbied during the run-up to the 12-day war in June.
I have no special information, but it's very possible the complaint was meant to sideline a relative restrainer within Trump's ranks.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to just rewind for one second.
I'm not sure she ever fell out of President Trump's favor.
What I think really happened is that some of the advisors around President Trump, she fell out of their favor because I believe she was speaking truth.
As I said on the show many times, the intelligence the president worked off of in July, it was not the urgency.
And we know this now because it's been released by the Times of Injured.
The war cabinet meetings said it was a couple of years before they had anything.
As you know, this deal that President Trump could get now is much better than any deal possible.
So Gabbard's always been, to me, a truth teller.
Tulsi just gives the facts as they are and doesn't politicize it.
There are certain people around the president, particularly in the intel world, that will politicize this.
And my fact check on that is President Trump would never have her overseeing, because there is a major national security and intelligence part of this 2020 election that has to be looked into.
And he believes she's a safe pair of hands to do it.
But you could tell today, the same people that were upset with her before have got the neocons of the Wall Street Journal going.
The Wall Street Journal basically publishes essentially hearsay from some whistleblower who's already been discredited.
And I think you got to go down.
The DNI spokesman came out and she was terrific.
She says, hey, talk about buried leads.
I think it's in the 12th of the 13th paragraph of the story.
You find out that it's already been dismissed as some sort of crank.
Of course, the Daily Mail and other publications that normally take big stories like this from the Wall Street Journal, they just blow it up.
And all of a sudden, Tulsi Gabbard's, you know, she's being investigated for serious national security.
And the quotes were so breathless.
You know, FBI people have never seen something like this.
This will shock the nation, all of that.
That is the same type of theatrics they tried to use to silence her the first time.
When let me repeat, she was 100% correct, Kurt Mills.
curt mills
No, I mean, this is something I'm sort of loath to do.
This is basically media reporting, but it's important.
The Wall Street Journal, of course, is owned by Rupert Murdoch.
It's owned by News Corp, which oversees Fox News and both in the journal, which is obviously competing for the president's attention right now.
I think it's important to bifurcate it out.
Generally speaking, the Wall Street Journal hard reporting does great work, very important stuff.
I think it is basically believable.
The editorial board is a comic relief baby boomer sort of laugh factory at this point that is basically appealing to the politics of one man, Mr. Murdoch.
However, occasionally, in times of acute national security situations, and I think specifically, I can think about right after October 7th, it does seem as if some of the opinion vapors bleed into the reporting, the hard reporting at the journal.
There was an example in late 2023 with the journal, and I believe they've never retracted or apologized for this report, had a very loosely verified report about how the Ayatollah, about how the Iranians directed October 7th.
No evidence has ever come to light on that fact.
The Iranians, by most reporting, were, yes, Eliot Hamas, but were basically in the dark.
There wasn't severe channels, which makes sense.
This is a Shia Persian power as opposed to a Sunni or Sunni radical Islamic power.
They were tacit allies at best.
Finally, I think, again, I'm sure there was a whistleblower complaint.
I'm sure it needs to be investigated further.
But the timing on this, the timing of the complaint in mid-spring in 2025, for it to resurface as Hawks and neocons are pushing for a new war with Iran again in early February is conspicuous.
steve bannon
It appeared as a major scoop and a major breaking story.
That's why you look at it.
This thing is ultimately put to bed.
Kurt, hang on for one second.
We're going to take a short break.
Kurt Mills, Dr. Bradley Thayer on the other side, I've got to talk about the counter argument.
You know, should you go Kinetic and should you go right now?
President Trump, I think it's pretty obvious.
He's using the deployment of assets to force guys to the table and get a reality check.
And he's got people in the region trying to give him a reality check.
Russia and Erdogan, which normally work hand in glove in the region, trying to give him a reality check.
So we'll see how all that plays up.
We're going to give the counter argument of Mark Levin and his team also talking about Tulsi under pressure now.
As the president says, hey, the voting in these Democrat states is so illegal, so over the top, we might have to nationalize the midterm elections.
Traditionally, when we talk about nationalized, we say, hey, make it big national issues so it's an up and down vote on the direction of the country.
He's saying something different.
He's saying may have to get federal officials involved in actually managing local elections.
And I got to tell you, with how out of control these local elections are on IDs, on no purge voter rolls, we'll check it all out next.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
steve bannon
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Kurt Mills, I want to give time because I've never said Mark should not have a platform.
I'm not what Mark shouldn't have a platform.
Mark shouldn't.
I think it's great.
Mark makes, in his minds, very cogent arguments, I think.
I think they're pure madness.
And that's why I want more people to listen to him.
He did an 18-minute, I think, open on Fox last night where he systematic, because he's a constant, you know, he's a lawyer, he walked through his case, you know, beat by beat of why we should go kinetic now and not just why we should do it, that we have to do it.
This is a perfect time.
We'll never see this time again.
And we have to go Kinetic.
We have to use American military force to decapitate the regime, the Iranian regime.
And then we have to, I guess, back whatever group comes together to try to put it back together again.
My argument is that use economic sanctions.
I think we ought to block the oil.
But the Iranian people put these guys in charge.
And I understand there's a lot of bloodshed in the streets, but hey, guess what?
You're trying to overthrow a government that you put in, and you were looking for an Islamic Republic.
When you look at Islamic republics, they're kind of totalitarian.
So you got what you paid for, and now you deal with it.
Mark Levin takes a very different path.
And you actually retweeted where I try to be magnanimous and say, Mark, you should watch it because he makes the best case why we shouldn't go kinetic.
You actually say, I think you called it what, moronic?
What did you say?
You were very snippy, Kurt Mills, for such a nice guy.
You took a real edge here.
What did you say?
curt mills
Said it was a sermon of a lunatic.
steve bannon
Sermon of a lunatic.
Why did you say that, sir?
curt mills
I mean, obviously, he does his opening monologue, and he's relegated to Fox weekend.
So, you know, it's the real madhouse stuff that Murdoch won't allow on the weekday programming.
But I mean, you know, he does his Edward R. Murrow pit, but it's basically Edward R. Murrow if he was a bald schizophrenic Zionist.
I mean, it's really next level stuff.
And this weekend, I would say, was the coup de grace.
North Korea's Nuclear Threat 00:02:44
curt mills
He said that Iran has become the North Korea of the Middle East.
Now, putting aside that Iran is, you know, yes, an autocracy, yes, a tough place to live if you're an enemy of their regime.
It's hardly North Korean.
They don't have death camps, as Levin alleged.
But I think what's actually important here.
steve bannon
But hold up, but hold on, hold on.
Hang on, but hang on.
Even if they're North Korean, we're not moving on the North Koreans.
President Trump wants meetings with the North Koreans.
He wants to talk about it and put pressure on the Chinese because the North Koreans are a vassal state, just like you put pressure on Turkey and Russia and other people around there to bring them to the table to negotiate.
We're not in bombing.
I haven't seen us bombing, you know, bombing North Korea, sir.
So they are in North Korea.
Big deal.
curt mills
Because they have nukes, right?
I mean, like, that's what autocracies have learned around the world, that the only guarantee, the only safeguard of their regimes are to get nuclear weapons.
I don't think the Iranians are actually there.
I think the Iranians have shown that they will do a deal with this president, that they will basically abandon any serious lunge towards nuclear weapons.
They have been fighting this zero enrichment thing.
But the level of enrichment that you need to get a nuclear weapon is not the level of enrichment that they're agreeing to go below.
They're talking about 3% enrichment.
That's not 100% enrichment.
That's not a nuclear weapon.
And I don't think we want to set the precedent that basically the U.S. is just a totally dishonest broker, because then you will see other countries launch for the bomb.
You will see if the Iranians, if their regime can survive, they will launch for a crude weapon.
And so ironically, the number one thing that makes the world proliferate is the kind of extreme hawk neocon stuff that we've been pursuing or that Levin would prefer us to pursue.
Because if the Iranians go down, the Turks are going to go for the bomb, the Saudis are going to go for a bomb, the Japanese are going to go for a bomb, the Koreans will go for a bomb.
And I think if our goal is to have less nuclear weapons in the world, that's a dangerous line.
Some argue, like Mearsheimer, that that actually might make the world safer.
I'm not sure I'm quite there, especially because we have the discreet goal of no nuclear weapon for the Iranians.
And I think that can be easily achieved.
And as I've indicated elsewhere, this is actually the one thing that will get Donald Trump the Nobel Peace Prize.
He thinks it's a deal potentially with Ukraine or on Gaza.
Both are too controversial.
These are European liberals, right?
If he does a deal with the Russians on Ukraine, they'll never forgive him for it.
But if he actually flouts the will of Netanyahu, if he flouts the will of people like Mark Levin, if he does a better deal, a more impressive deal with the Iranians than Barack Obama did, that is the one thing that actually will get him the Nobel Peace Prize.
Papers of Controversy 00:03:45
curt mills
He's got the wrong nomination list right now.
He's got Vladimir Putin and the leadership of Pakistan.
steve bannon
These are not the guy can pull off a Ukraine peace deal with no American security guarantee, a Gaza deal that's rebuilding.
They're already putting big money in there with no American security guarantee, and he forces by military, potential military might, the assets we have in theater, a deal, a meaningful deal with the Iranians.
Forget the nuclear priest pies.
He'll go down in history as the greatest man of peace in world history.
It just, I mean, he's solved the unsolvable.
And so let's give President Trump a chance.
Let's give him some runway.
Let's go back to Tulsi Gabbard.
This is why I said she didn't fall out of favor with the president.
She fell out of favor with that kind of Praetorian guard that sometimes is in the national security aspect during the June and July timeframe.
And they try to run her out of there, you know, every other day.
The President Trump thinks very highly of her.
He has to because she's overseeing.
Cash is doing the criminal part.
She's looking at the overall stealing of the 2020 election.
And the mainstream media is absolutely incorrect.
We have to get to the bottom of that because if you don't have that, you don't have a country.
And Tulsi is doing a job.
And you see right now they're trying to get her.
Oh, my God.
She's doing conference calls with Trump, conference calls to the FBI.
They are coming at Tulsi Gabbard every way possible.
And that's why MAGA has to have her back, Kurt Mills.
curt mills
Look, I mean, people forget in August of 2024, you know, this was Brad Summer.
This was the ascendants of Kamala Harris.
There was an expectation that the Trump Vance ticket could lose.
And the endorsement of RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard was a crucial lifeline in getting Trump to win.
And I think if MAGA is going to be an enduring political movement, if it's going to have an afterlife long after Trump's in office, you need to keep people in the coalition like the Kennedys, like the Gabbards.
And Gabbard's a representative of a lot of Americans, independent-minded Americans, ex-Democrats, who came to vote for Donald Trump.
And not surprisingly, she has foreign policies that were critical of previous Republican administrations, like the Bush administration.
There's a lot of people, unfortunately, again, within Trump's cabinet who just want to return.
People like Marko Ruby, I would submit, who just want to return to the hits.
They just want to return to Pompeoism or Mike Penceism or establishment republicanism.
There's not the demographics for it, first of all.
But second of all, it's demonstrably failed.
Iraq didn't work.
The global financial crisis didn't work.
People are justifiably angry about the Bush Republican legacy.
And so that Trump and his allies need to cook up something new and keeping people like Gabbard in the fold, I think, is absolutely crucial.
steve bannon
Afghanistan didn't work and don't, you know, Osama bin Laden hit the World Trade Center on Bush's watch and they couldn't get him in before their watch was over.
They were too busy in Iraq doing first Fallujah, second Fallujah, that had to fall to, that had to fall to Obama.
Kurt Mills, where do people go and get you?
This one's a hot one, particularly the Iran situation.
Tulsi Gabbard, they're all over her.
Where do people go to get you on social media and all the great content you're putting up?
curt mills
Yeah, I mean, Bush let UBL go.
Look at the Afghan papers that have been declassified.
But anyways, it's the American Conservative magazine founded in 2002 by Patrick J. Buchanan and others against the Iraq war, conservatives and friends against the Iraq War.
It is at www.theamericanconservative.com.
And my own work is at Kurt Mills, at C-U-R-T, M-I-L-L-S on X. I'm the executive director of our fine little magazine.
EU Immigration Crisis 00:05:39
curt mills
Thank you.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you.
The Afghan papers, we cover those extensively.
So many people did, and it's almost as bad as the Pentagon papers.
Not as quite because Vietnam was even more out of control, but the Afghan situation, you've been lied to every day.
Dr. Bradley Thayer, give me a minute.
We're going to go to break and we'll hold you through.
The EU is so proud they've been announcing deals with India.
Then you had the Spanish, I guess, Marxist Party actually confirmed what we've been talking about here in the States, the great replacement theory.
They said, hey, yes, certainly we don't want right-wingers in our country.
We would rather take migrants.
You said 27 January, I think, 2026 was the official date of the beginning of the end of Western civilization, sir.
bradley thayer
Yes, Steve.
Tuesday, January 27th, 2026, was the day that it was murdered.
You had on that day both the Spanish announcement of the 500,000 individuals who are going to get work permits, which you have to multiply by six or seven times because of family unification, which is always permitted.
And then the EU reached with Modi an agreement on mobility also on January 27th, which is going to allow Indians to come into the European Union to skilled workers, purportedly students and others, by the millions.
So Western civilization lasted for about 3,000 years, but the European Union did its utmost to murder it a week ago.
That comes six days after President Trump at Davos on January 21st, right, touted the advantages of Western civilization and the need to sustain Western civilization as the NSS, the national security strategy, identified civilization.
steve bannon
Dr. Thayer, hang on one second.
Let's just hang on for the break.
Civilizational erasure.
Nobody knew what that meant when President Trump put it in there.
Well, we know now.
Short commercial break.
Dr. Bradley Thayer, Dr. Brian Hooker on the other side.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
I still got to get to Ed Martin.
I still got to get to Laura Loomer.
They're both taking Shasse.
They're taking income.
I did Tulsi.
Christy Noam has agreed.
He's gone.
The president agreed.
As you remember, Mike Davis and I went through the six things we can't give up on in this fight with the Senate on ICE.
And she said, hey, she's good with cameras going into the ICE officers.
I wouldn't give a ground inch to these people on anything.
They're not going to all suddenly go, okay, they gave up something.
Let's give it.
That's not how it works.
I appreciate Secretary Noam.
She's doing her best.
She's fighting the good fight.
But I would not, I don't think we give them in a whole package if you had to.
Maybe you give them something.
I'm not so sure you give them that, but they're asking for things that destroy ICE.
And so far, correct me if I'm wrong.
You know, I've talked to Berkwan this morning, talked to folks this morning.
I don't think Ellison has let anybody into a jail to get a criminal.
He said, I may do it.
This meetings like last week.
Because these people, business models, look, what Thayer's talking about, the woman's the Marxists are communists in Spain, she was up front.
She says, yes, we love replacement theory.
Instead of having conservatives' right-wingers, we'd rather have people, migrants from North Africa, right?
Because they can form them.
This is what's happening in Minnesota.
And it's not whites, it's African Americans and Hispanic American citizens.
That's what this great invasion was.
They want people that are more malleable.
And it has to be fought.
Dr. Thayer, you say it's the end of Western civilization.
Take the India part.
Of course, they did a trade deal and they're going to have different tariffs and there'll be more trade between each other.
But they put, in addition to that, a massive immigration bill, correct?
Of incoming to Europe, correct?
bradley thayer
Yes, agreement on mobility, including having facilities in India to accelerate the movement of Indians into the EU.
That will be largely to Ireland, of course, because English speaking and access to the UK.
So absolutely.
Steve, there's a civil war going on in Western civilization between those who want to sustain Western civilization.
That's President Trump and the NSS, and those who want to destroy it.
And that's Spanish politicians.
It's Ursula von der Leyen.
It's the European Union, Kirst Starmer.
Most politicians, most of the elite level in Europe, want to do everything that they can do to continue their hard authoritarianism.
And secondly, continue immigration.
And thirdly, never change that policy.
Nothing can ever be allowed to stop more immigration into the EU, Canada as well.
And thankfully, we stopped that in the U.S.
So it's time to take the gloves off with the European Union.
This clash has this, this has been building for some time, but it's now to take the NSS seriously.
This is a national security threat.
And that means it's time for some tough love for the European Union.
It's going to involve tariffs, right?
They're going to have to change their policy.
Western civilization doesn't belong to the evil mediocrities running the European Union.
It belongs to all of us.
National Security Threat 00:07:47
bradley thayer
And they don't get to destroy it.
steve bannon
And President Trump gave to you.
He gave the Warsaw speech, and then he gave the speech at Davos and the national security document.
We've got to bounce.
You're working on a magisterial work about communism, how it's never left us.
You go back in history, but you also talked about the current times.
I can't wait till the book is out, hopefully later in the spring, early summer.
Dr. Thayer, where do people go to get your writings and your thoughts on social media and your website?
bradley thayer
Steve, I'm at Brad Thayer and X and Bradley Thayer at Getter and at Truth.
Look, they don't get to destroy Western civilization.
We get a vote and we vote to save it.
And that means, you know, time for some great restrictions, increased tariffs on the EU, restricting intelligence sharing, military exercises, right?
Western civilization is worth a fight.
This is the time to have it.
steve bannon
Amen, brother.
I agree with you.
This goes back to the state Senate election in Texas.
The left knows we're at war.
The right, the war imposse does, but we've got to enlighten and awaken everybody on the right that we're at war right now.
And this is going to win one of two ways.
We either keep this civilization and bequeath it to future generations, or we're going to lose it, and we can lose it.
Dr. Thayer, thank you.
That brings up two people, Ed Martin.
And look, I don't know what's going.
Ed Martin is a great warrior.
He was head of, supposed to be, when he left the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office, when Judge Janine came in, which he got confirmed.
Ed went over to Maine Justice to head up the weaponization of government, of which he was handpicked by this guy named, let me remember.
I get him.
Oh, yeah, Donald J. Trump, who happens to be President of the United States, who could not think more highly of Ed back from the time of in 15 and 16 when Phyllis Schlafly endorsed President Trump.
And Ed Martin has been a warrior since then.
He's one of the toughest ombres I've ever met.
And now there's a Washington Post story that says today that Ed Martin is out of Maine Justice.
He's off of not even not heading the weaponization, but he's not even on the weaponization working group.
I don't know how that happened.
And he's now doing pardons full time.
And there's this discussion.
He may go over to the White House in a senior position.
I'd rather have him in Maine Justice on weaponization.
I think it's good for the country.
This guy's a total warrior.
If not, please, we got to keep him in the White House in a senior position.
Ed Martin, the reason they're after the people like Ed Martin is because Ed Martin is a fighter.
Tulsi Gabbard's a fighter.
They single out and target the people that are the biggest fighters.
And so we're going to delve into this more, but it just broke today.
We heard there were some rumblings over there.
But Ed Martin is supposedly, according to the media, he's out of Maine Justice.
He's off the weaponization, not simply heading it, it's off any work in the weaponization of government committee.
And he's now doing pardons, which is fantastic, but he's got a lot more capacity than that.
And we've got Ed's back, and we're going to figure out or find out exactly what's going on.
If he goes over to the White House in a senior position, that's fantastic.
So why are we in Texas for a month in the run-up to this primary?
Well, because on the ballot in March, and we're going to talk about this next, basically some people that have lived under Sharia law, as Westerners didn't comply with it, but saw society's crater when it was brought in.
We're going to do that the next hour in War Room, Texas, to talk about what's going on in Texas.
Now, there's this proposition on the ballot to prohibit Sharia law in the state of Texas.
And they want to have overwhelming on Prop 10 on 3 March so it gets on the permanent ballot.
But also, the governor, Abbott, and you know, Abbott oftentimes has not been quick on the trigger of this.
We actually got clips in the next hour of Abbott, and now John Cornyn's jumping in.
Abbott declared the Muslim Brotherhood in CARES terrorist organizations.
He was followed shortly thereafter by Governor Ron DeSantis, who declared care a terrorist, a Muslim brotherhood and care terrorist organizations.
And look, you know, there's a lot of times, particularly when we went after President Trump ran against him, Ron DeSantis is not my cup of tea.
But Ron DeSantis, as a governor, is very methodical when he does things.
He's not a guy that hot-foots it around.
He really thinks things through.
You can see that during the pandemic.
And so for Ron DeSantis and Abbott to do it, two governors have designated terrorist organizations, guess what?
They're found in the UAE and Saudi.
They're terrorist organizations.
President Trump's already designated three.
I think it's Jordan, right?
Egypt and Syria branches of the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.
I think they're still reviewing Qatar and Turkey.
Laura Loomer sued CARE years ago for conspiring with the previous management before Elon took over of banning her from Twitter.
There's a Breitbart article came out years later that said that the Wall, I think from the Wall Street Journal, said they had documents that that had actually happened.
Yet when she sued, they lost in federal court.
Of course, these federal court guys are always defending the bad guys.
They made Laura pay the legal fees, right?
I think it was $125,000 of care.
And since they've been designated a terrorist organization, she did the logical thing.
She went back to court and said, hey, oh, by the way, since they're a terrorist organization, maybe I don't have to pay the rest of the money.
And the magistrate judge, Reinhardt, remember him?
The one that signed off on, signed off on the raid of Mar-a-Lago.
You know what a scumbag that guy is.
He hates President Trump.
He's another Trumper.
He basically said, no, you have to pay.
Here's what I don't understand.
And I would request from the governor's office in Florida, Ron DeSantis, because I know DeSantis is a serious guy.
If you designated the Muslim Brotherhood and CARE as terrorist organizations, someone should look into the situation with Laura Loomer.
Laura Loomer was a warrior out there at the beginning before Abbott, years before Abbott, and years before DeSantis came on the scene as governor to put this up.
I remember I fought at Breitbart and in the administration to designate the Muslim Brotherhood and their cohort, CARE, as terrorist organizations.
Now, we didn't get very far in 2017.
We were busy taking down ISIS, trying to get accommodations in the Middle East so they would go after terrorist financing, which Qatar essentially at that time refused to do.
But it was evident in talking to people in the Gulf region, there was no doubt that the Muslim Brotherhood and CARE were terrorist organizations when you talk to these senior level people.
So I don't understand why a federal magistrate judge, and then here's the worst news: CARE's online mocking her.
They're doxing her.
They're putting up the documents about her checkbook and her banking account, I guess, her address.
It just seems to me that the state of Florida or someone in President Trump's administration ought to take a hard look at this because clearly Laura's been fighting this fight for a long time before other people came on board.
And they're targeting her because they understand she's a hammer when it comes to this stuff.
And you're going to see it get very ugly down here in Texas.
You just are.
As this whole movement to ban Sharia law, to prohibit Sharia law in the great state of Texas.
And it's something that's long passed due.
It should have never even gotten traction here.
It has gotten traction.
As you're going to see in the next hour, it's spreading like wildfire and it has to be stopped.
You have to prohibit Sharia law.
This is not about religion.
This is about a control mechanism that is just antithetical to the constitutional republic we live in.
Why Bobby Kennedy Linked Autism to Vaccines 00:07:10
steve bannon
Okay, we talked about the coalition at the beginning of Kurt Mills brought it up of Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard.
Let me bring in Dr. Brian Hooker.
Make America healthy again, sir.
You guys are doing platinum-level research, which Bobby Kennedy promised.
Talk to me about what you got today to share with us about vaccines.
brian hooker
Well, we have come up with a new article.
This is a review paper where we have connected definitively the aluminum adjuvant used in most vaccines on the infant childhood schedule and autism spectrum disorder.
We've looked at this, Steve, from a standpoint of epidemiology.
We've looked at it from biochemistry and cell physiology.
We've looked at neuropathology.
We've looked at genetics.
And we've even gone through a legal exercise, what's called the Bradford-Hill criteria, which is used in court to establish causation between an environmental stressor and a medical condition.
We've gone through all nine of those criteria.
And when we go through that, we have shown that aluminum adjuvants are intimately tied to the etiology of autism.
And the thing that is so insidious about this is that aluminum adjuvants are ubiquitous in vaccines.
They are used in almost every vaccine that children get between the ages of birth, if they opt into the hepatitis B shot until they're about two years of age.
And so they're getting whopping amounts of aluminum directly injected into their body.
And it is tied to autism.
It is tied to the autism epidemic.
steve bannon
Why was this?
We got about 30 seconds.
I'm going to bring you back after the break.
These studies have been out there for a while.
Why did no one in the government, no one at NIH or wherever, why did no one ever tie these together?
Why did it take Bobby Kennedy coming on the scene with people like you to do this?
It doesn't seem to be, you don't, I mean, it's heavy lifting, but it's not impossible.
Somebody could have done this long ago.
Why did they not do it?
brian hooker
They simply didn't do it because they didn't want to do it.
They did not want to know the answers regarding autism, the autism epidemic.
And, you know, there was so much industry capture within the CDC, within the National Institutes of Health, with Fast Track and the FDA program that it behooved them not to find that link.
And we've had, you know, serial liars.
steve bannon
Well, that's what I want to talk about.
We get back to.
Let's take a short commercial break.
Dr. Brian Hooker on the other side.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
steve bannon
Okay, Dr. Brian Hooker.
So Dr. Hooker, here's what you got to help me understand the audience.
You know, like the Department of War, old Department of Defense, you know, we got into Vietnam, other things, the Iraq war, people protest sometimes.
There are a million people when we try to put nuclear weapons, purging missiles into Europe to try to defend Europe, millions of people in Central Park.
The financial crisis, the Tea Party was created, millions of people coming to Washington, D.C. on the financial crisis, what caused it, but the bailouts for the wealthy.
So other parts of the government, people have been very vocal about not agreeing.
One thing you never saw that was kind of CDC or, you know, and there was considered sacrosanct that they were dealing with the straight and these professionals, because you see them in the white coats.
They're at these conferences.
They're putting out official reports.
So you're telling us by tying together all these studies that are out there, things that have been evident to people in your movement for a while.
And we see Bobby Kennedy, they're trying to destroy him.
But we need to actually start to identify who, when you say, hey, they knew it, they just didn't do it.
We got to go to phase two on this.
If we don't hold individuals accountable, and I want to hold Fauci accountable for different things, but somehow Bobby and the team have got to pivot and say, these people cause tremendous damage to people and families and children, but they also destroyed the credibility of this institution, which is going to take decades to rebuild, sir.
brian hooker
Absolutely.
You know, the authors of the cover-up regarding vaccines and autism started in the 1990s, in the late 1990s.
There were individuals like Roger Bernier, Dr. Julie Gerberting, Dr. Colleen Boyle, Frank DeStefano, Thomas Verstratten, Phil Rhodes, so many others that conspired to look the other direction regarding autism and vaccines and conspired to commit data fraud over and over and over again.
They've set autism research behind probably 30 years because of this.
Because if we would have known and we would have admitted what I've known for since my son was diagnosed in 1999, then we could have advanced this research.
We could have saved a lot of children.
They chose not to do it.
So it's really on them.
Not only do we need to clean up this mess in terms of recompense for the individuals who have been affected, but these people, you know, jail time is too good for them.
I am sorry.
steve bannon
Wow.
Amazing.
Is there some point in time?
I know you're going to talk about recompense and all that.
Is there some time that under Bobby, that HHS is actually going to come out with a definitive report?
Here's exactly who lied about this or hid it or didn't do it.
And we can actually then people can connect to that themselves.
Are you guys working on that?
brian hooker
That's something I've been working on for years.
That's something that before Secretary Kennedy even announced his run for presidency, he's been working on that for years.
I mean, there are many, many co-conspirators in the Institute of Medicine, in the pharmaceutical industry, in the CDC, in the National Institutes of Health.
And it's time to name names.
We have everything written down.
We've worked actually on several legal complaints on it.
That information needs to be published.
It needs to be made public.
I'm not aware of what Secretary Kennedy's plans are to do that, but I know that information exists and it's got to come out.
unidentified
We're here.
steve bannon
Where do people go?
I want people to go read this.
I want to read this compilation of how you knitted it all together from previous great research.
Where do people go?
And what is your social media?
brian hooker
If you go to CHDTV, chd.tv, and look at Good Morning CHD, you can hear more about the paper.
You can find the link to the paper.
You can follow me at Brian HookerPhD on X, on Instagram, or on Facebook.
I have not yet been deplatformed, although I spent a lot of time in Facebook jail.
steve bannon
Dr. Brian Hooker, thank you, sir.
Look forward to having you back.
And a hat tip to Bobby Kennedy, the entire team, the Make America Healthy team, the entire team over at Healthy Human Services doing a spectacular job.
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