Episode 5074: Omar And Tlaib Meltdown Over ICE Hearing; Protest Ramp Up in to The Weekend
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What is happening in Minnesota is a pattern that is dangerous to every single person in America.
Because if they can erode the rights of some, they can do it to you.
No one is safe.
As one of only two dozen naturalized citizens to serve in Congress today, someone who spent 17 years in the process to get my U.S. citizenship, this is very personal to me.
Never in a million years would I have thought that I would see what I see on the streets of the United States of America.
We cannot have a second tier of citizenship.
We cannot undermine the contributions of immigrants from all over the world.
And we must protect our democracy and our Constitution for all residents.
You know, I come from the most beautiful blackest city in the country, the city of Detroit, where we birth movements.
But today I am seeing a movement being built right here in Twin Cities.
And it is reminding us that our government will not save us.
It is only us.
We've been taught through history of that.
You see our corrupt Supreme Court literally enabling and bolding the fact that they can now go around and racially profile and target people based on what they look like and where they work.
I do want to share this and ask some of the directors.
DHSU's neo-Nazi anthem for recruitment after the fatal Minneapolis ICE shooting from the intercept.
And the federal government is openly embracing white nationalists online content.
They are now justifying stopping American citizens on the street, demanding their passports, saying that they're conducting citizenship tests, citizenship checks.
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You know, I'm not a lawyer, but I know my legal rights.
And that's not something that is part of the American way that you and I have lived in.
And so, you know, I find that to be kind of nauseating, frankly.
And by the way, if Donald Trump had qualms about it, it wouldn't be happening.
Let's be real about that.
He is the owner of this and the author of this.
And more importantly, I just think that there's a shock value that he's constantly in search of because he craves the idea of this militarized display of force that establishes his dominance over blue America.
And, you know, he warned us about American carnage in his first inaugural address, but he started out as a politician trash talking America.
It literally, when I see it as a Muslim, as a Palestinian, as a child of immigrants, I see that this is something that is evoking like, I'm not welcome here.
It is very clear what is intentionally happening here.
And I think I want my colleagues to know this.
In Southwest Detroit, where I was born and raised, we've been complaining about ICE since 2010, even since its inception.
The fact that we had passed policies to tell them not to do ICE actions in front of schools, health centers, funerals.
We got Obama administration to do that, but still we had violations to their own policies.
This is an agency that has reeked of this.
And when Speaker Johnson and Chair Jayapal knows, when Speaker Johnson says ICE is doing what it was created to do, remember this when the funding comes up next week.
The dehumanization of the other is exactly what JD Vance and all the people in history who have promoted agendas of racial supremacy like him.
That's what it's all about, is about dehumanizing the other.
First they came for the criminal illegal aliens, then they couldn't find enough of them, so now they're just going down door to door in Minnesota, right?
And so I think that it's the spectacle of violence, it's the demonization of the other that we're all experiencing in the real-time social media universe.
You know, you're talking about a movement in American society that is supported by a minority, but a minority of millions and millions of people for whom that is not a turnoff, but part of the point.
And to your question of are we line crossing, I do need to say that, you know, a decade into this phenomenon, you know, so many lines have been crossed.
And yet, in fact, public opinion is largely not movable and it has not moved.
It is true that Donald Trump and JD Vance are running a very, very, if not historically, unpopular administration.
And their policies are unpopular.
And what's happening in Minnesota is unpopular.
But if you look at the numbers, look at the polls that are out today from one year into the second Trump term, the numbers are basically within the margin of error of what Donald Trump's approval and disapproval ratings were in 2018.
That means that January 6th didn't change it.
COVID didn't change it.
The Biden presidency didn't change it.
And these outrages aren't changing it.
They're very unpopular, but support for Donald Trump has not collapsed.
I think you need to hit the nail on the head there.
Look, Donald Trump, when he campaigned in 2024, what did he tell people?
He told the American people at every single possible opportunity he could, mass deportations.
He said it at the RNC.
They were handing out placards that said mass deportations now.
It was every single speech, every single interview, whether he was stopping at the Waffle House or he was stopping at the Shake Shack or Pizza, wherever he was going, wherever he was going.
Even go back.
I think he probably made a joke about it at the McDonald's, all right, up in Philadelphia.
So this has been the number one policy, and it was his entire raison d'être when he ran in 2024.
And when Sean Hannity asked a question, or I think it was Hannity or maybe somebody else, about the cost, and he said, they said, there is no cost.
There is no cost that is too high because this is so important to the future of our nation.
This gets to the core of MAGA.
It's about the American people and putting our interests first.
There's no other policy beyond the policy of immigration, the millions that were led in under Joe Biden, the millions that were here already, that gets to the core of why the MAGA movement exists, which bifurcates the UNA party into up versus down.
Are you for the Uniparty?
Are you for the people of this country?
And we've seen how many Republicans, this is a uniparty attack.
There's no question saying, well, I don't know about these policies and let's look at this optics.
They said, no.
The other thing you can do, by the way, if you want to get the objects worked on, get the e-Verify going.
Go after the employers, arrest the CEOs.
I've said it again and again.
Start arresting CEOs.
Start arresting business owners.
And by the way, start using economic tools and economic leverage.
Debank every illegal alien in America.
If they can't have access to banking, to Venmo, to Cash App, to PayPal, guess what?
They can't stay anymore.
So if you're renting, if you're a landlord, if you're hiring, all the rest of it, get them out.
And if you do that, guess what?
You won't have the need for so many of these targeted raids because the masses will self-deport on their own.
And you know what?
I think you would actually get more deportations if you start using economic measures and economic leverage than just in the targeted operations.
Think of it like putting a tariff on the illegals because that's what going after remittances, going after all the rest of it does, because it functions the same as a tariff.
It keeps the money within the pool of the country itself within the confines of our borders, not sending it to Mogadishu, Dar es Salaam, and Mumbai and all these other places.
It's analogous to what Besson is running, the op he's running in Iran.
Instead of going to Kinetic, use economic warfare.
Right?
I want to ask you about that.
And then about this hearing.
Omar had a field hearing in St. Paul today.
We just gave you the highlight room.
Your head would have been blowing up by the testimony.
It's quite obvious.
It's two different Americas here.
She said, this is not the America we want talking about ICE and deportations.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
Johnny Khan's going to take us out.
Today, silver near an all-time high, gold near an all-time high.
Geopolitical turmoil throughout the world as President Trump starts, as the policies of hemispheric defense come more in line.
And I think the big wake-up call, as I told you this morning, was Kearney really going to the end of the dollar empire and talking about making the Chinese currency being a partner and strengthening the Chinese currency potentially as a global currency.
That's what Kearney was talking about.
Right from the pages of the end of the dollar empire.
Okay, Jack, you've watched closely, and of course, Tel Aviv Levin and all the Israel First guys are all broken up, but because Scott Besson laid out in March at the Economic Club in New York exactly what he was going to do under President Trump's guidance to basically destroy the Islamic Republic's economy, the tariffs he was going to do, the sanctions, and most importantly, which nobody picked up at the time, he's going to go after the currency because Scott's kind of an expert in that.
And you've seen what's happened.
You've brought the Moolahs and the Ayatollah to their knees.
They're not finished yet, but the people in Persia and Tehran are taking accountability for them doing this.
Are you arguing that President Trump should put that same kind of economic warfare when he thinks about Minnesota?
Maybe you don't need all the ice age.
You don't need the surge that you need E-Verify.
You need to shut down the businesses.
You need to go after the employers, the CEOs, and be more sophisticated on remittances and credit cards and telephones and all that.
I'd say it's more of a whole of government approach.
So look, for some of these dug-in networks, the Somali fraudsters, the illegal traffickers, you got Latin Kings members now that are working with the cartels.
And keep in mind, by the way, that the Latin Kings member who was identified because of the reporting of human events and Nick Sortor, Kevin Pesopic was there as well as Nick.
That reporting led to the Latin Kings member be arrested for pulling those weapons out of the federal weapons locker.
This is the same Latin Kings, by the way, that we know has a cartel bounty $10,000 out on the head of Commander Bovino.
And he's walking around out there.
He's walking around showing his face, keeping morale up for everybody.
But he knows that this is blood money on his head for Commander Bovino, but he's not scared because that's who we've got.
Look, the cartels, the Latin Kings, these guys, the sex traffickers like Trende Aragra, look, you're going to need the targeted operations against them.
Those guys are not self-deporting just over economics.
However, I'm arguing, so you've got to have the deportations there.
But I'm also arguing that aside from that, you're going to have a vast bulk of people, call it possibly 70%, 80% of the illegal aliens that are here.
They're not here under refugee status.
They're not here under seeking asylum or the false claims of asylum.
I'm saying true claims of asylum.
No, they're here for economic purposes.
They are economic migrants.
In many cases, they're economic leeches sucking off of the teeth of our society.
I'm sorry.
I just have to say it.
They take the federal funding.
They take the welfare.
They take lower jobs.
They take jobs away from Americans.
That puts downward pressure on the wages.
So look, if you use these economic tools that Besant knows about them, they're certainly at his disposal at the federal level.
They're using them internationally on Iran.
Then guess what?
You don't need as many of these targeted operations because even when you look at it, you get a couple hundred here, a couple hundred there.
It's never going to add up to the 30 million illegal aliens that are there if they don't start using this more sophisticated basket of targeted approaches on the economic factors.
Make it impossible for them to live.
Make it a possible, live here, make it impossible for them to stay.
Make it impossible for them to bank, to communicate, cell phones, all of that.
Take it away.
And by the way, DHS, last I checked, because we just had Tricia McLaughlin, she's the assistant secretary there on human events.
She said, look, they're still offering to pay for the plane ticket.
It literally, when I see it as a Muslim, as a Palestinian, as a child of immigrants, I see that this is something that is evoking, like, I'm not welcome here.
It is very clear what is intentionally happening here.
And I think I want my colleagues to know this.
In southwest Detroit, where I was born and raised, we've been complaining about ICE since 2010, even since its inception.
The bigger piece is, the bigger piece is, is go and look because nobody's talking about anymore.
What's the dog that's not barking?
When you hear Rashida Talib, when you hear Omar up there, what's the dog that's not barking?
The dog that's not barking is they stopped talking about Renee Good.
They stopped talking about Becca Good.
They stopped talking about Jonathan Ross, which, by the way, if you go up on Jonathan Ross's fundraisers right now, you put the two together, guess what?
Today, he just crossed the 1 million mark.
So MAGA, the American people, just raised over a million dollars for an ICE officer who was nearly killed when he was run over by an anti-ICE agitator.
They completely lost the narrative there.
They completely lost what they were going on.
They know that the American people actually, actually, they might not admit it to a pollster, but you know what?
Deep down, the American people love these raids.
The American people can't get enough of them because for a long time they've said, you know what?
I don't want those people in my house anymore, in my country anymore, in my home anymore.
I want to get rid of them.
I don't want them around my family.
I don't want them around my children.
I don't want them in my neighborhood.
The good people of Minneapolis don't want them there.
And you know what?
If it's going to be a little rough, if it's going to take a little rough stuff to get them out, then so be it.
The other piece of this, Steve, by the way, Rashida Tlaib, you notice what she said?
She said, listen, me as a Muslim, me as an immigrant, me as a Palestinian.
I noticed she didn't say as an American.
I noticed she didn't say as an American citizen whose family was allowed, graciously allowed by the generosity of the American people to be here.
And by the way, I'd love to ask Rashida Tlaib: do you think that's true for everybody?
Do you think that the Palestinians don't deserve to have a home?
What if the Palestinians said we can have our home again?
Isn't that what their entire argument has been this whole time?
That that was their home, that that was their land, land back, all the rest of it.
So, so which is it?
You want to say that the Palestinian people deserve their own homeland, okay?
But you say that the American people don't.
Why don't the American people deserve their own homeland, Congresswoman?
Tell me that.
Why don't the American people deserve their own homeland and deserve to determine who the people of that homeland is?
Because, Steve, I'm just going to say it.
If I want people in my homeland, if I want my kids to grow up among people who share our language, who share our culture, who share our values, then guess what?
That's the same thing that people on this planet have wanted, the same right that people have had since time immemorial.
To today's hearing, knowing that the court would be in this position, based off your request, to prepare the court, prepare opposing parties, and to be efficient in our use of time.
I'm trying to understand.
I understand what you're saying, and I understand that things evolve, but I'm trying to understand why that wasn't filed in advance of the hearing to put the court on notice at the very minimum and just to allow the court to do what the court does.
I hear what the court's saying, and I think we can take responsibility for not sufficiently presenting the authorities that we think compelled what I've just suggested should happen.
We noted in our reply brief that the county attorneys should not be representing themselves, and that's probably an inadequate message to the court.
But we did file a motion to disqualify, and inherent in a motion to disqualify based on the conflict of interest, we anticipated would be that the state attorneys would seek representation from a clearly non-conflicted,
appropriate prosecutorial authority, which, as I've done for the research, and Mr. Bird and Ms. Visser and Ms. Nestor and I have all done further research, literally up until earlier this morning, we think it's pretty clear that this court has the authority to make that.
I'm going to call it a referral.
I think it's an order referring it to the Attorney General.
So this came up in a motion a couple weeks ago in the case in Charlie's murder case.
So the one of, so you go back to the event itself, you go back to that day.
There were over 3,000 students there at Utah Valley University.
The area, it's provost, Orem, Utah.
A ton of people were there.
And of course, Charlie, as we know, is so popular with Gen Z, so popular with the college kids.
Well, it turns out that, and they're taking great pains not to identify who this individual was.
That's actually one of the things they're talking about, whether or not this person should have to testify.
But it turns out one of the family members, they're saying an offspring, so either a son or a daughter of one of the prosecutors on the case, was actually there in the, you know, on this atrium or excuse me, amphitheater area, the quad of UVU when Charlie got shot.
So because of this familial connection, then Tyler Robinson's lawyers are trying to get that prosecutor or possibly all the prosecutors, in fact, the entire Utah County prosecutor's office, struck from the case, get them all kicked off the case because of this connection.
But the judge came in and earlier to, you know, earlier in the hearing, I'm kind of like watching it as I do this, and said, look, hold on a second.
You know, was this person a victim?
And they said, well, no, they didn't even actually see it because the head was turned when that took place.
Okay, is this person a material witness?
No, will not be called as a material witness.
So the problem is, if this person is not a victim or a material witness and was really just kind of a bystander, then it doesn't actually meet the legal threshold.
And the judge has been stating this over and over, doesn't meet the legal threshold for a conflict of interest.
And is basically, a lot of people are watching it saying, look, the defense lawyers know this.
The defense team knows that it doesn't meet the legal standard, doesn't meet the legal threshold at all.
But it's a delay tactic because they know that the evidence is not on their side.
They know that they're up against a mountain of evidence that Tyler Robinson did, in fact, murder Charlie Kirk.
And so they're trying to delay, delay, delay, delay.
In the situation, I saw a tweet the other day, I think I asked you about it, that the furry, the boyfriend of Tyler Robinson, has been living in an undisclosed location.
But the FBI is no longer pursuing him as party to this case.
Well, so Brian Enton over at News Nation, who's a fantastic reporter when it comes to this, you know, the crime beat, he went in and found a family member of the furry, Lance Twiggs.
And the family member came forward saying that Twiggs at one point was under FBI protection.
That may have been witness security.
It may have just been general protection due to threats that were being made at the time and is now living with family.
And so did not say exactly where, did not exactly say who, but just said is living with family.
But according to this family member, no longer has that FBI protection.
But also, as we heard, is cooperating with the prosecutorial team in Utah Valley there.
So the Utah State County Attorney is potentially going to be bringing Twiggs.
This is Lance Twiggs in as a witness.
I would be shocked if Twiggs is not called as a witness, by the way, said that it wasn't a situation where they had anyone bring Twiggs forward.
Like, for example, so Tyler Robinson, it was his parents that turned him in.
It was not the FBI.
It was not the local authorities.
It was Tyler Robinson's parents that turned him in.
Twiggs, on the other hand, this family member says they had to go to him before he was willing to comply.
If you look at all the information, at least that's out there, isn't he an accessory to this?
I mean, isn't that part of the small amount?
I just think the small amount of evidence, at least that we've seen publicly, you tell me there's a mountain, there's a tsunami of evidence about this.
We haven't seen anything.
But why is the FBI not have him as an accessory to this assassination?
Yeah, well, Steve, I mean, obviously, you wouldn't see the defense case playing these desperate games if they had anything actually serious they could point to.
They're playing delay games because they know they don't have any evidence on their side.
The evidence is completely not in their favor.
So they're playing these procedural arguments, delay tactics.
You wouldn't see them doing that if they had a serious case.
Twiggs, on the other hand, when you look at the facts, I really want to know what is in all of those Discord messages, what is in the individual messages between the two of them.
I'm shocked to see that there aren't any charges on Twiggs.
However, just with my analyst hat on, you take my personal opinion out of it.
It could be that they cut a deal.
Could be that he was given immunity to possibly talk about everything that happened regarding Tyler Robinson.
And potentially these groups, these transgender groups, the queers of Salt Lake City, did they know that this was going to happen?
Because they have all sorts of tweets all over Twitter.
You can find them.
They're archived.
We've got them at Human Events saying that basically just bragging that Charlie Kirk is about to be killed.
And many of them are put up even in the days, weeks, and hours leading up to our friend's murder.
And so there's serious questions about how exactly they knew about this.
And Steve, these are not random tweets.
These are specific, detailed tweets talking about that specific date.
And so that's something that I find really strange.
Also, by the way, just go back to the text messages that we have seen, right?
The text messages that are in the affidavit has Tyler says to Twigs, Do you remember when I was engraving those bullets?
Now, Steve, let me just say: if I'm hanging out in the war room and I see Stephen K. Bannon engraving some bullets over in the corner, I'm going to say, Hey, Steve, what are you engraving the bullets for?
Right?
Or if we see, if I see my brother engraving bullets, I would say, Kev, what are you up to there, bro?
I want to get back to this because none of this makes sense.
The campus police, I wouldn't trust anything that Governor Cox was overseeing, and he is the governor of Utah.
I don't believe that there's any independence out there, but anyway, that's a topic for another day.
There's so much, it's just this thing is so confusing.
I think we need a better, you know, and they say, well, it's a murder trial, you're not so seeing any other murder trial, you're getting leaks all the time.
Yeah, Kevin, I got that, but they had a hearing today with Congressman over in St. Paul, and they had witness after witness after witness professionals saying ICE is white supremacist.
People like you that are these journalists are all white supremacists.
This is a complete terror campaign against American citizens, right?
And people that are asylum seekers.
You guys are nothing more than jackbooted Gestapo, your response, sir.
And you go look at the professionalism of the team members there.
You look at them working together, FBI, ERO, ICE, DHS, Border Patrol, Bovino out there.
And you see the professionalism.
You see the amount of grit and determination that's required, as well as the training and the operational skill that's required to go out, not only the restraint that they need to have with these protesters, these agitators, but also knowing that anytime they show up, you could have a Latin King with an AR-15 pointed directly at you.
And that's why, Kevin, you had to wear that Kevlar out there.
Well, he's not going to see a slave patrol or any kind of Gestapo units going around.
That's just simply not the case.
These are human agents.
These are humorous guys.
These are hardworking Americans.
But this is also the weekend.
Aside from the frigid temperatures that we're seeing, the Indivisibles organization is setting two protests this weekend.
As we know, Dave Zier and I last weekend were assaulted and stalked at one of these protests.
So I don't see any reason why this won't happen again.
Their antiphotypes are actually using this temperature condition to their advantage by we see videos of them pouring water out front of the Whipple Federal Building in hopes that the police line will slip as they advance.
And that is, that's not good because if anybody slips, God forbid somebody cracks their head or anything, really.
They are just waiting for an excuse.
This is, well, like we're sitting on a powder keg here.
And I was doing some history in Minneapolis and the unionism around here.
You know, these people are already here and they just sabotage these organized events.
There's bad apples in every bunch, as they say.
So they use these events to gather and then you'll see them huddled up, as I've seen multiple times.
Groups of five or six guys.
I mean, they don't really blend in.
It says FI spray painted on their hoodies on the pack.
And they all have bandanas and whatnot, but they actually huddle up on the sides of these protests to see who's there.
Oh, that's a great picture of Bovino today in his trench coat.
Yeah, these people, you know, they're organizing outside in the cold during this chaos just to see who else there, who's in comms, you know, what their operations are going to be.
These are not, you know, the best and brightest, but they do have enough to understand that they really want to break us up.
And there's nothing that Tim Waltz would want more than the Insurrection Act because he wants to deflect from his own criminal complicity of the millions and missing billions of dollars that was stolen from the people, the children, disabled children, and the needy in Minnesota by his Somali buddies.
And I sure hope that none of that money wound up in any Tim Waltz or Ilhan Omar or Keith Ellison fundraisers or their campaign donations.
Gosh, I sure hope that none of those people who were fraudsters were also making campaign donations to any of these politicians.
Kind of wonder why it was that he all of a sudden, boom, just stopped running for governor a couple of weeks ago, but suddenly no one's talking about that because Tim Walz is using this as a distraction.
Steve, I will say this on the revolutionary front, though.
The two teams are like this.
You've got Indivisible.
That's for your mass support, your mass appeal.
They want to try to rebuild those George Floyd crowds.
And to Kevin's point, the weather is what it is.
It's going to be holding that off.
But the revolutionary Bolshevik core, the vanguard of the revolution, as Lenin used to put it, that is your hardened Antifa revolutionaries.
And they will be out there because, Steve, and I was out there doing that hit on War Room.
It was about 12 degrees.
And this guy's out there at 9 a.m. in the morning screaming at them.
Steve, to them, this is like us going to church.
This is like Christians going to church on Sunday.
They believe they can achieve ascended apotheosis by going to these events, by attacking law and order.
And Steve, I'll simply just put it as this, right?
Although I love, by the way, that number one book on Amazon right now is Scott Adams.
That's real cool.
He's number one on all of Amazon bestseller.
So you got to love that for a guy who was a 16 or there when it mattered for Donald Trump.
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