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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Good evening, Wednesday 14th of January, Anno Domini, 2026. | ||
| Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. | ||
| Coming up later on the show, we're going to be talking to Jenny Holland, who's got some fascinating and quite, really quite encouraging news to do with Bible sales in the UK amongst Generation Z. | ||
| And she's also going to be telling us a little bit about the success she's been having on having now reached 365 days straight, praying that Holy Rosary should be telling us about that. | ||
| Frank Walker will be telling us later on in the show about a new low in Germany, the land of the Protestant Reformation of Martin Luther. | ||
| New low, there they were on Christmas Eve, celebrating on national television the birth of our Lord and Savior or what built magazine called Slime Jesus. | ||
| We'll be talking about that later on in the show. | ||
| First, however, very much in the mission of our Wednesday war room segments, bringing you the truth of what's taking place in the institutional Catholic Church, the truth that pretty much all other Catholic outlets are hiding from you the faithful. | ||
| We're talking now about the big news in the Catholic Church over the last 10 days or so. | ||
| This is the consistory in the Vatican, the gathering of all the cardinals together, something that Bergoglio, Pope Francis, the late unlamented Pope, always sought to avoid doing. | ||
| He didn't like the cardinals, the princes of the church getting together. | ||
| He feared that, feared what they might be discussing, feared the potential of resistance to his running the church into the ground. | ||
| Well, Leo, who is very much Francis 2.0, we've been clear about that on the war room from day one, at least on this respect, feels slightly more secure in his own leadership, that he's tolerating the cardinals getting together. | ||
| What is now emerging is what happened on those two days. | ||
| Frank Walker, founder, editor-in-chief of Canon 212, joins us as ever on Wednesday. | ||
| Frank, you have some of the news now that's been escaping over the last few days. | ||
| Some of it has been quite rebellious amongst the cardinals. | ||
| Other news has been slightly more expected from the usual quarters from terms of the modernists and the heretics. | ||
| Tell us about Cardinal Roach, whom we call in the UK Cockroach. | ||
| He was in charge of the liturgy. | ||
| His was one of the four papers that was distributed to all the cardinals. | ||
| Tell me, are we seeing Jenny's going to be talking us later about this revival that seems to be taking place amongst Generation Z? | ||
| We've been hitting this every week on the show, especially amongst young young people, young guys, and massive uptick towards the traditional Latin Mass. | ||
| Is the institutional Catholic Church finally moving itself, orientating itself to receive the fruits of the Holy Spirit and open the mass, the old mass, the Latin Mass to this, to the new waves of youth that are crossing the threshold for the first time? | ||
| Or are they trying to stamp on the embers and stop it from taking light? | ||
| What was Cardinal Roach's intervention? | ||
| That was a good way to put it: stamp on the embers. | ||
| They're not part of the revival that Jenny is going to be talking about at all. | ||
| That's an organic thing. | ||
| That's something that's come from God Himself, I think. | ||
| And, you know, in this, with the dry wood that Jesus said we'd have in the late times, there's still hope, but it's not coming from through these men. | ||
| These men are continuing to drag up what has been their foundation for the last 60 years, Vatican II. | ||
| Now, this Cardinal Consistory is a chance for very important men to gather together, talk to each other, talk to the Pope, contribute. | ||
| But that's not what they had there. | ||
| And that's why Leo has brought back the consistory because he has a model of structure that I would call very Nazi. | ||
| It stops down on any dissent whatsoever. | ||
| They said that they were going to discuss the liturgy and the Trad Inc. were so excited about that, but that didn't happen at all. | ||
| We had Cardinal Gretsch, who I call the synod boss, came to this synod consistory talking about synods and how they don't take away from the authority of the Pope, but they need to bring a consensus to him. | ||
| So what happens when you have a bunch of people that disagree? | ||
| It becomes a consensus in the synod. | ||
| And that consensus, when you bring it to the Pope and the Pope says okay to it, it becomes doctrine. | ||
| It becomes method of the church. | ||
| So it's a way to take things that are bad and make them look good. | ||
| He gave a talk and then they had Kissy, I call Kissy Fernandez. | ||
| Cardinal Fernandez, the doctrine chief, who's a notorious pervert with soft porn writings going back for decades, he came and he talked to them too and told them about how make sure you're open to new methods and things. | ||
| Don't let the old methods exist and make sure you examine your sermons that you don't try, you know, hammer too hard on doctrine. | ||
| Don't give doctrine to it. | ||
| So this was another speech that opened up this synod. | ||
| And then, like you mentioned, Cardinal Roach gave the most powerful element, but they had voted down discussion of the liturgy like they had hoped for. | ||
| And Cardinal Roach did not even speak. | ||
| He gave a pamphlet. | ||
| He gave something that was written. | ||
| So not only did they suppress liturgy altogether, but they didn't even have a talk on it because all it was was a reaffirmation of Francis's destruction of the ancient mass, which is the only really fruitful mass, the only thing that grows. | ||
| The Novusoro Mass that we've had for since my whole lifetime, that has only led to destruction. | ||
| It's led to people like going the other way. | ||
| And so what Cardinal Roach has said, well, we've always changed liturgies and Vatican II has mandated this Novusa, which is a complete lie, they say all the time. | ||
| But the liturgy always being changed, that's not true either. | ||
| The ancient Latin Mass goes back to before we can even tell, before we even know. | ||
| And, you know, there are all sorts of diversity in liturgies that are possible, but they need to be Catholic. | ||
| And saying that their new mass and the other mass together don't have unity. | ||
| And unity, like Leo has always gone about, is essential. | ||
| But they don't mean unity in Catholicism. | ||
| They need and in faith. | ||
| They mean unity in what they're trying to accomplish. | ||
| This new mass, this new church um, and it really reveals what they're really all about. | ||
| This, this lat, you know the, the Latin mass is really about a different religion and and the the uh, the Leo and his henchmen here are revealing that they think it's a different religion and we can't have unity with two different religions. | ||
| That's, that's the essence of the synod. | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| It was really a, it was really a squashing of any dissent from their program. | ||
| I think the canon, the Roman Canon, the canon of the mass, goes back to like the third or the fourth century, pretty much untouched um, until they uh, two priests rewrote, rewrote it in uh, in over in a Roman restaurant in Trusteva overnight. | ||
| They keep saying that it's Vatican Ii. | ||
| But you're right, it was done discreetly, sort of behind the scenes, after Vatican Ii. | ||
| It's really not recommended in Vatican at all. | ||
| I noticed, I noticed that cut I, I noticed that cardinal Cockroach, sort of quoted pope uh, Benedict um in his pamphlet. | ||
| Uh, he didn't quote I. | ||
| I I searched for it, Frank Walker. | ||
| I didn't find the part where the the, the holy cardinal, quotes rap Singer as calling the Novus Order mass a banal, on the spot product. | ||
| That part was missing from uh, from from uh from summary. | ||
| Tell me about, if. | ||
| Tell me, before we go to a quick break, about cardinal Zen's intervention. | ||
| Uh, when he calls synodality an ironclad manipulation and an insult to bishops, I hear that was a rather unex. | ||
| No, it was to be expected, but the degree with which he spoke um I think was wasn't exactly foreseen before the consistory um and and you know we have to give full credit to him. | ||
| This is that you see, people think that holiness um and humility means being um cowardly in the face of injustice. | ||
| Of course it doesn't mean that and I think cardinal, anyone who's met cardinal Zen i've met him um, I don't know. | ||
| Steve Banners obviously met him several times when he was in the White House says he's one of the most holiest men he's ever met and I can second that very humble guy in demeanor, not sort of this fake humility that you often see in a lot of ambitious prelates, and the genuine humility which you can see, you can feel um, very quiet guy, understated guy, he came out and I think gave the toughest speech. | ||
| Just give me two minutes if you wouldn't mind on that and the uh the, the potential consequences of what cardinal Zen who's been, who was a Real hero for Catholics and all Christians when he was the Cardinal Bishop of Hong Kong in the face of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Very great guy, holy man. | ||
| Tell us, give us two minutes, Frank, if you wouldn't mind, on his criticisms of the consistory agenda. | ||
| Well, I do remember how he did say that it's a manipulation, and that's exactly what it is. | ||
| It's a control. | ||
| And I was surprised that he was able to get out there with that speech in only three minutes. | ||
| Most of this information that we're talking to today hadn't even been released yet, but his piece was out. | ||
| And he also questioned, who are the people of God? | ||
| And do these people that are in this event think that they're the people of God? | ||
| And he also let everybody know that this was a senatal experience. | ||
| This is not, you know, this is supposed to be a consistory where people, adults, talk to each other freely, but no, it was a crushing. | ||
| So everybody, I think, was thrilled. | ||
| The thing that amazes me is that is that he's 93 years old. | ||
| I mean, 93 years old is awful old to travel all the way here and give this brave speech. | ||
| And he did meet with Leo, I think, as well. | ||
| There's nothing been released about it, but he met with Leo. | ||
| He traveled. | ||
| He met with Leo. | ||
| And I can sort of understand that because he has been, I mean, he has watched Hong Kong and the Hong Kong church turn into the Chinese Communist Church with the help of Francis and now Leo. | ||
| And he's under the gun. | ||
| He's prosecuted. | ||
| The people that he has worked together with are jailed. | ||
| And, you know, he's facing this prosecution too. | ||
| And so he has a lot to risk, even at his age, by making these kinds of statements, by coming here and making waves like this. | ||
| And you're right. | ||
| It's exactly an example of what true Catholicism, true Christian faith is all about. | ||
| You know, and I was so happy that at this synod, which is really just a closed door session where no truth is permitted whatsoever, somebody, some little bit of flame of the faith still remained. | ||
| And that should be inspiration to all Catholics all over the place because what they have here is just a closing, dying process of masses and churches that are all dying. | ||
| And they keep bringing back the hammer over Vatican II again and again. | ||
| Father McTeague, who's been on the war room, he was practically enraged this week talking about how they keep coming back to Vatican II again, pushing it again. | ||
| It's just the same old like rhinos, the same old failed policies that have been forced on the church. | ||
| And we have a little bit of Cardinals in with Catholicism because it keeps popping up through the cracks again, as you can see, you're going to see later in the show with the people that are more Catholic than Protestant in the United States. | ||
| The young people, the people that are praying rosaries, even the top pundits, conservative pundits in the world are holding up rosaries and getting slammed for it here and there. | ||
| We're digging down on that in a few moments. | ||
| And I would like to spend, I would actually like to spend the rest of the show, Frank, talking with you about how the 68th generation in the Catholic Church that hijacked the church some 60 or so years ago, has been winning it into the ground, is still clinging on with its deathly clammy fingertips. | ||
| We don't have time. | ||
| The one thing I do want to quickly ask you, though, before we must go over to Jenny, the one thing I want to ask you, because you mentioned this earlier, and it's so right, Trad Inc., our old friends, our old drifting friends, you know, don't forget to donate. | ||
| They were pitching, Frank Walker. | ||
| They were, Trad Inc. World's pitching like crazy that just be patient. | ||
| Don't criticize our holy pope, Pope Leo. | ||
| Don't criticize him, guys. | ||
| Show some Catholic formation. | ||
| Because at this consistory, he's clearly called this to liberalize, to reliberalize the illegitimately suppressed old mass. | ||
| So don't box him into a corner. | ||
| Just give him the space, give him the time. | ||
| That wasn't a hoax, Frank Walker, that you were pushing out on Canon 212. | ||
| Wasn't a hoax that we were pushing out here on War Room. | ||
| Chris Jackson wasn't pushing out that hoax on Substack. | ||
| Trad Inc. | ||
| Don't forget to vote. | ||
| Don't forget to donate, folks. | ||
| Trad Inc. was definitely pushing that hoax out. | ||
| Just give me 30 seconds on your takeaway of the fact that we called this, right? | ||
| We've said as clearly as we could possibly be what to expect from this pontificate and not to expect, certainly not in January. | ||
| I happen to think he is going to do something, you know, merely because he just wants to dampen down the opposition so he can obliterate traditionalism outright. | ||
| Berg Goglio was so out of control. | ||
| He actually did wonders for the traditionalist movement. | ||
| I think Leo saw that. | ||
| He's a son of the revolution of the Bergoglian revolution. | ||
| He wants to take this revolution further. | ||
| Just tell him, give me 30 seconds on what you saw taking place at this consistory and that Trad Inc. got it wrong yet again. | ||
| Well, the Latin Mass, they were telling us that Leo was going to liberalize the Latin Mass and be softer on it. | ||
| But all they've done here in Cardinal Roach's intervention, which was only written down, is reassert Francis' hatred of the mass, that you can't go back, that Vatican II mandates it. | ||
| And if you don't like this, you don't believe in the council, which Trad Inc. will not admit that they don't believe in the council. | ||
| And it's absolutely full speed ahead, 100% the old push of Francis, and there's no change to it whatsoever. | ||
| And I think, I don't know if Trad Inc. is going to be beating this horn anymore. | ||
| I think it's beating this anymore. | ||
| I think it's they're going to turn the corner and they're going to look at other things now. | ||
| They're going to have to soften on the mass, not expect too much, because you can see right here that all they're going to do is keep doing what they've done. | ||
| And there's other areas where Leo is going to give them. | ||
| It's not like they want any success. | ||
| They just want something they can hang their head on and pretend it's success. | ||
| So that's what they're going to get from Leo. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| He is making some concessions and they're turning the corner on this. | ||
| They're not going to be up and down about the old mass anymore for a while. | ||
| We're keeping our beady cynical eyes on this guy, folks. | ||
| Don't worry about that. | ||
| Give me a moment, Frank. | ||
| We're going to come back to you later on the show. | ||
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| Okay, Jenny, you've got a couple of stories that we're going to mention. | ||
| I think we might need to run over the break with this because you have two very important things which really do illustrate, I think, the revival that is taking place in the West. | ||
| Tell us about the Bible sales in the UK first, and then we'll talk about Generation Z outnumbering Protestants. | ||
| Yeah, Bible sales. | ||
| Tell us about the Bibles. | ||
| Yeah, Bible sales in the UK are hugely up last year. | ||
| 6.3 million Bibles were sold in 2025. | ||
| That is up 134% since 2019. | ||
| The religious segment of non-fiction publishing was also up by quite a bit in one year, 11% in 25 compared to 6% in 24. | ||
| Gen Z, again, are leading the way. | ||
| They are far more likely, or sorry, far less likely to identify as atheist than their parents. | ||
| And I think this is really the key that unlocks this entire phenomenon. | ||
| Gen Z are, and we'll see again in other stories we're going to cover, are in a very visible way rejecting the crass materialism, extreme promiscuity, excessive internet culture of our time. | ||
| They are moving away from it. | ||
| Obviously, not all of them, but there's a very influential segment that is doing just that, that is saying enough with the sins of the world, and they're turning to church. | ||
| This is really, this is just a very interesting phenomenon. | ||
| And it corresponds somewhat with what I see among young men. | ||
| Not necessarily that they're religious, but they are more socially conservative, which is a good start. | ||
| And yeah, the piece also mentions that last year there was a study done by the charity Tear Fund that replicated the same result that found the same results. | ||
| That in particular, that at Christmastime, something like 60% of young people were planning on attending church to honor the birth of Jesus. | ||
| So again, this just fits in a lot of what we say every week. | ||
| I'm always here to bear the good news. | ||
| I'm delighted that I get to do that. | ||
| They mentioned Charlie Kirk as well and the assassination of Charlie Kirk as being a defining factor in the sort of how young people perceive the world. | ||
| He said they said that sales of Bibles were up 34% in September 2025 following his death than they were in September 2024. | ||
| So again, Charlie Kirk and his martyrdom, as you rightly call it, the secularity of the world, the sort of difficult, not to say disastrous, financial realities that Gen Z are facing as well are all named as factors turning young people towards God. | ||
| So first takeaways on this, and this is what we predicted right at the time, you know, as the world was watching open mouth at the martyrdom and the fallout of the martyrdom, the public martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. | ||
| And we said that there was going to be a revival in the United States following that brutal act. | ||
| And these are the figures now. | ||
| These are absolutely the figures that you just cited that have just become available. | ||
| In that September, there was a year-on-year increase of 36%, which is a huge number. | ||
| Tell me if you wouldn't mind, Jenny, as a parent yourself, what do you think the dynamic is? | ||
| You said a little bit about the rejection of the godless materialism of what I guess is our generation, right? | ||
| Generation X and their BAPS. | ||
| Tell us something a bit more though. | ||
| I'll tell you how I see this. | ||
| You tell me if I've got it right. | ||
| I see this as the standard youthful, the standard youth generation rebellion against the parents and their values. | ||
| Fundamentally, you know, whereas, say, Generation X, our generation, rebelled against our parents' notionally Christian but zero fruits style of cultural social affiliation to Christianity. | ||
| We saw that. | ||
| We saw that it was all basically a hoax, our generation, and we rejected that. | ||
| Because basically, who wants to rule, who wants to have their lives ruled by something whose adherents clearly don't believe it to be true? | ||
| And yet, our generation's children have seen the godless materialism that we've been following perhaps more coherently than our parents. | ||
| But fundamentally, it's valueless and meaningless. | ||
| And the next generation doing that youthful rebellion is rebelling against that. | ||
| And what they're doing is they're finding Christ, which is superb. | ||
| Give me your take on that as a parent. | ||
| Have I got that advice? | ||
| I think you have. | ||
| I think that it's because young people, people in their late teens and young adulthood, have far more direct and early experience of the downside of the godless materialism that you mentioned. | ||
| I mean, obviously, you and I grew up in a very kind of prosperous, comfortable, physically comfortable world, but these kids have seen the downside of it and how hollow excessive materialism is in a way because the options to them were so apparently endless and they understood how empty that actually made them feel. | ||
| And they sought out a replacement that was more enduring and that wasn't made of digital material and attention economy. | ||
| It was made of something more robust and accessible directly from your heart and mind. | ||
| I mean, young people today have grown up with incredible, you know, in wealthy countries have grown up with incredibly high standards of living physically and materially, but incredibly low standards of living intellectually, socially, and spiritually. | ||
| And, you know, I always think that there is this natural antenna that if sort of dusted off, will find its way to God because that has been my experience. | ||
| So it doesn't really surprise me that young people are doing this. | ||
| The other thing that is driving them is the horrors of woke. | ||
| And it's, you know, you and I, you know, we laugh at it and we condemn it and we see how crazy it is. | ||
| But these young people were brought up browbeaten by woke ideology and punished for if they couldn't, if they didn't abide by every single ridiculous false tenant of it. | ||
| And that's been another factor. | ||
| Jenny, stand by. | ||
| We're going to come back to you just after the break, continue on the theme, talking about the predominance now, always with Generation Z of Catholicism rather than Protestantism in the United States. | ||
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| Continuing with the theme of what we were just talking about before the break, this is something is definitely taking place. | ||
| A revival is definitely taking place amongst Generation Z. | ||
| I just want to cite, Jenny, a statistic on the Bible Cells article, which I think was pretty impressive. | ||
| This is, I'm citing here the Daily Mail. | ||
| And they're saying that 21% of young men, this is age 20, 18 to 24, were regular churchgoers versus only 12% of women. | ||
| And that's nearly double. | ||
| This is something that we have been mentioning on the war room. | ||
| I think every Wednesday when we do this show, there is something going on with young guys in this cohort, this age cohort, a revival that is taking place there. | ||
| And if you're looking to see it, you will see those signs everywhere. | ||
| Jenny, tell me about what's going on in Generation Z in the United States. | ||
| Now, I hear that there's a development, a slight uptick. | ||
| Or I should say, basically, it seems to me that the Catholics are holding steady, whereas the mainline Protestants have actually declined, leading to something that has never taken place before in the United States. | ||
| Tell us more. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| In the nation that was famously founded by Protestant refugees from the United Kingdom, among 18 to 24-year-olds, Gen Zs now outnumber Catholic Gen Zs, outnumber Protestant Gen Zs. | ||
| And the numbers aren't huge. | ||
| 19% Protestant, Gen Z, 19% of Gen Z identify as Protestant, and 21% identify as Catholic. | ||
| So the numbers aren't vast, but as the article is a pains to state, and I agree with it is a historic and unprecedented shift because of America, the United States' long-standing association with sort of Anglican, sort of mainline Protestant belief. | ||
| And Catholics really only started to play a role in the country in the 19th century with the arrival of immigrants from Europe and then later with many from Latin America. | ||
| But it was always seen as very much the sort of secondary and sometimes the sort of weird and don't go there religion among certainly elites. | ||
| So so interesting and again, not surprising. | ||
| The article sort of is quite polite and attributes this phenomenon to what they call fragmentation. | ||
| And maybe they're referring to the many different denominations and sort of proliferation of churches in Protestantism, but also internal polarization. | ||
| And, you know, I could be wrong, but I'm reading that as meaning that the Protestant churches, many of them, the big ones, went woke and got broke. | ||
| I think now you sort of, you know, everyone from sort of Unitarians, I think even the Presbyterians, I mean, a lot of these big established churches are now forever indelibly associated with drag queens in church services and pride flags hanging from altars. | ||
| Saint John the Divine on the upper west side of Manhattan has the pride progress flag, which includes all the different sort of trans and queer identities. | ||
| That's a stain that cannot be washed away. | ||
| That's such a crisis. | ||
| That's such a spiritual failing on their part. | ||
| They can't recover from that. | ||
| Sorry, the Katiz Catholics, on the other hand, while it's obviously full of their own problems, institutionally speaking, the Catholic, the perception of Catholicism and the practice of Catholicism, as we always say here, is the laity. | ||
| The practice has remained stable and family-based. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| The correct theological term for what you're describing there about the woke and the drag queens is scandal. | ||
| It is putting an obstacle to belief in people's way. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| It is an obstacle to belief. | ||
| I can't close this segment, Jenny Holland, without coming back to your heckle at the beginning of this. | ||
| The Brits who left our glorious sceptred isle to go over to America weren't refugees, they were pilgrims. | ||
| Okay, terminology is important. | ||
| Jenny, we'll be back later with you in the show to talk about your spiritual progress. | ||
| As we say constantly, you are the. | ||
| I won't say you're the only atheist I know who prays the rosary every day. | ||
| You're probably the only person I know who prays the rosary every day. | ||
| You'll be telling us more about the spiritual fruits that you've got on the back of that. | ||
| I don't know if you mentioned it, but I just want to repeat the thing again from the study, the 2023 cooperative election study, the CES study, which has become available now, in fact. | ||
| That is 21% of Generation Z adults identify as Catholic compared with 19% who describe themselves as Protestant. | ||
| Those are the figures. | ||
| And I think that's basically the Catholics are sort of declining. | ||
| In fact, they had a very slight uptick, by the way, actually. | ||
| But it's basically holding steady, and the mainline Protestants are peeling away. | ||
| Let's go over to Germany now. | ||
| Frank Walker, it's funny, isn't it? | ||
| Talking about spiritual momentum, the land of the Protestant Reformation and Lutheran Lutheranism. | ||
| What the sacrilege that was performed on Christmas Eve in Germany. | ||
| Before you tell us more, we actually have some footage on this. | ||
| I think the guys in Denver have that. | ||
| If you wouldn't mind just playing that now, and then you'll tell us exactly the background, Frank. | ||
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Our cave here is the work of a young artist, that she actually created for this service. | |
| The cave shows a real person. | ||
| He lies there, filthy, naked and vain, as a old church song says. | ||
| The man here is filled, because he is weak and miserable, and we want to keep his worth and intimacy. | ||
| You know, I'm going to build on this. | ||
| I'm gonna built. | ||
| I'm gonna quote the German magazine on this. | ||
| They said that this was ARD, which is the German network, showing Christmas mass with slime Jesus. | ||
| They said it looked more like a breathing alien and condemned the spectacle as sick and twisted. | ||
| I could barely look at it. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with a mother giving birth. | ||
| Uh, to a child that's still in, you know, you see, you know, still in the placenta. | ||
| It's an act, it's a creative act of god. | ||
| Uh, in fact, pro-creation is the act of humankind creating along with god. | ||
| Um however, there is a question, Frank Walker, of appropriateness um, and one has to ask, what were, what were the Germans thinking about here? | ||
| Uh, in Struttgart? | ||
| Um, because this doesn't foster, I think, reverence on Christmas eve, it doesn't foster thoughts towards um what, what's this great, gratuitous gift that God, Father Almighty has, has given to mankind in his son, he himself, the divine being, coming down? | ||
| Um it's, it is, I think built, got it right. | ||
| It's sick and twisted. | ||
| What was your take on this? | ||
| Well it, it doesn't give you the Christmas spirit, does it to see that at all? | ||
| It looks like a blob of flesh to me. | ||
| Um, they weren't clear really, on what it's supposed to be. | ||
| They said that uh, there's an, there's an actress in there um, deep breathing. | ||
| I don't think babies in the placenta breathe. | ||
| I think that's what they're. | ||
| They're assuming that's what it is because it's because it's supposed to be a baby, that it's a baby inside, not the placenta, but inside the amniotic sac. | ||
| But babies aren't born that way anyway. | ||
| Um the uh the, the outrage from the community is right, and this was at a Catholic um broadcasting network, at their Christmas service, and they said that they even sort of abridged the Christmas service so that they can have this. | ||
| And the priest who, who is responsible for this, he defended it, he said, he said it showed a human being lying there miserable, naked and exposed. | ||
| You know, you know it's like in in Germany. | ||
| They seem to have all of these horrible offensive things and they blame it on art and the way you know that it's art is. | ||
| They say something like that. | ||
| You know um they uh the, the. | ||
| He said this is how radically god becomes human close touchable, without distance, and real. | ||
| That's what they said about it, and the uh even they had to have representatives even from the um, the Christian Democrats the, the Rhinos OF Germany said that it was disgusting, uh people, that that um responded in uh and in to it directly the regular watchers. | ||
| They called it woke. | ||
| I don't know what's supposed to be supposedly woke about it. | ||
| You know, it really is. | ||
| To me it's more satanic actually than woke. | ||
| Let me put it this way. | ||
| Let me put it this way, even giving the Struttgart diocese the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| Here right, it would seem that they're lacking prudence And counsel, counsel being one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, prudence being one of the cardinal virtues, right? | ||
| At the very best, they seem to be lacking those two particular graces. | ||
| And what does that tell you about the hierarchy, the German hierarchy, that lack that is manifestly lacking both prudence and counsel? | ||
| No, I think it was absolutely astonishing, Frank. | ||
| Really astonishing. | ||
| Not surprising, but this just shows you how the decline takes place when people, when our pastors, our bishops, our shepherds are lacking in supernatural faith. | ||
| If you're lacking in supernatural faith, you're going to be lacking in the supernatural graces as well, right? | ||
| The bishop defended it too. | ||
| And they're not going to do anything about it either. | ||
| So, you know, it isn't just the German hierarchy. | ||
| I don't understand what it is about Germany, but we're all supposed to tolerate this stuff from them. | ||
| This should be handled from Leo on down. | ||
| This is a mockery. | ||
| That's what this is. | ||
| And there's not any more effective method of moving people than mockery. | ||
| It's very effective. | ||
| And it shows you that the priest and the bishop and the entire church approves of this. | ||
| I think this is a satanic. | ||
| This is what Satanism is. | ||
| It's making mockery of God and the things of God and who God is. | ||
| And the fact that they defend this at all and it's permitted shows you what we need to remember every day who they really are. | ||
| Just like Cardinal Kissy Fernandez talking to all the cardinals about how you should re-evaluate their sermons to make sure there's not too much doctrine in them. | ||
| They're all the same guy. | ||
| They mock Christ. | ||
| They hate Christ. | ||
| They're just revealing themselves in this here. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That is exactly what they're doing. | ||
| Frank, standby. | ||
| I desperately want to get to Jenny now to discuss her spiritual journey. | ||
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| Now, Jenny Holland, since you first came on the show when we started doing the Wednesday format, you said that you are an atheist. | ||
| I don't know, I think you might be moving towards agnosticism. | ||
| I'm not quite sure. | ||
| But you said that, in your words, an atheist who prays the rosary every day. | ||
| What I didn't realize, Jenny Holland, was literally that was a proper regimen of praying the rosary every day. | ||
| And complimentary to you. | ||
| Tell us a little bit then. | ||
| And you've written this in substack, folks. | ||
| I very strongly, I read it. | ||
| It's a very powerful witness, actually. | ||
| Go to Jenny's substack where she says the consequence of how she came about it. | ||
| We only got like five minutes here. | ||
| But there are a couple of things to takeaways in your sub stack, seeing that as you did this. | ||
| And I, you know, I was praying the rosary every day at the time of my conversion some 20, 25 years ago. | ||
| And it's a discipline I sadly lost, but I remember the spiritual graces from that time. | ||
| I think some of the important takeaways here in your article is that how you set about doing it? | ||
| Because you said that you didn't set out at the beginning to achieve a year-long stretch. | ||
| Basically, you did it for a day, that sort of rolled into a week, and you saw how that went, and that rolled into a month, still without intending to do it for the whole year, but marking it away on your little app. | ||
| And then the sort of the habit, the discipline became the habit, and you stuck with it. | ||
| Tell us a bit about that then, please. | ||
| Yeah, so Sunday was the 365th consecutive day that I prayed the rosary. | ||
| And actually, this is the perfect place to discuss it because, as I say in my article, the seed of my rosary habit was planted on Steve Bannon's war room right here on this very show quite a few years ago. | ||
| I want to say maybe 2021 or 2022, when he did a whole extended segment on the power of prayer. | ||
| And I was very sort of taken aback by this because I love Steve's show for his sort of biting analysis and his real politique and his very sort of like of the world motivation and insight. | ||
| And hearing him and others, his guests, talk about prayer as a real world thing that actually made material difference in the world, communal prayers, sending up prayers and specifically mentioning the rosary. | ||
| He also had a rabbi on. | ||
| I mean, it was a really interesting show, but specifically mentioning the rosary, it just opened a door of possibility in my mind. | ||
| It took a few years to fully germinate. | ||
| But as I started intermittently praying in 2024, yeah, just this time last year, I just started doing it every day without any specific goal in mind. | ||
| And it became something that I looked forward to. | ||
| It became something that I sort of relied upon. | ||
| I found that it made my mood better. | ||
| If I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, I would flip pray the rosary and I would be a lot more cheerful and gracious to my husband and to people around me. | ||
| I found that, yeah, it just it just produced a peacefulness and a stability within me that became stronger and stronger as the year wore on. | ||
| Jenny, yeah, I mean, that's my experience as well. | ||
| You also say something here. | ||
| So much in here that I'd like to share. | ||
| You know, we're going to have, we'll come back to this. | ||
| This is two, there's two profound things that you said here to squeeze in to the final moments of the show. | ||
| But there is one thing that you said here. | ||
| And I think it's worthy sharing with the positive. | ||
| And that's you said, I tried not to let perfection be the enemy of the good. | ||
| When making progress in one's prayer life, one's interior life, that is so profound. | ||
| And it's absolutely true, of course. | ||
| But just put that again, I know that that is your own words, but add a little bit, if you wouldn't mind, to that particular insight. | ||
| Yeah, it's not just prayer life, it's life in general. | ||
| I think anything you do, you have to adopt that as a mantra. | ||
| Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good, otherwise you'll be paralyzed and will never get anything done. | ||
| Look, I came into this. | ||
| I was calling myself an atheist at the beginning of this. | ||
| I can't honestly call myself an atheist anymore. | ||
| So I'm going to lose that branding. | ||
| I'm afraid, Ben. | ||
| But, you know, I had some sort of trepidation in a way that like, was I being an imposter? | ||
| Was I sort of doing it for some sort of clout or something? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I felt slightly awkward about it. | ||
| But I thought, well, who cares? | ||
| Who's looking at me? | ||
| You know, I'm just going to keep doing it. | ||
| And there was definitely mornings when I was rushing through it and thinking about other things or maybe even washing the dishes or something. | ||
| And again, I just kept doing it. | ||
| I just kept on doing it and I kept on doing it and I kept on doing it. | ||
| Another thing that I found very, very helpful was the sort of the meditation on detachment of things from the world. | ||
| That is my favorite one because for a couple of reasons. | ||
| Obviously, we all have problems. | ||
| You know, 2025 was a year of sort of personal crisis for me and in a couple of different ways. | ||
| And I didn't make it worse. | ||
| And the reason I didn't make it worse was because I had that sense of detachment, let God take care of it, and, you know, limiting myself and my restlessness and my yearning. | ||
| And these are very, valuable tools. | ||
| It's also a very valuable meditation when you're in this business, when you are delivering sort of hot takes and looking at sort of the internet landscape and the attention economy. | ||
| And it's a very good guide post to be reminded of all the time that let God guide you and not the attention economy, essentially. | ||
| That's beautiful, Jenny. | ||
| Thanks for your testimony on that. | ||
| We'll come back to it. | ||
| I'm sorry that we're going to lose the slogan of the atheist who praise the rosary every day, but it's all for the best. | ||
| I think it's a very worthy exchange. | ||
| I mentioned your substack very quickly. | ||
| Where do people go to read that writing in particular and the rest of your output? | ||
| It's jennyeholland.substack.com. | ||
| I have a new YouTube channel as well, which is saving culture from itself. | ||
| And I have new videos up there every week, including that one with you, Ben, from a few weeks ago. | ||
| Thanks, Jenny. | ||
| Frank Walker, our very own Catholic Matt Drudge. | ||
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| Folks, we'll be back this time next week. |