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Episode 5067: Holding Waltz And Minnesota Fraud Accountable; Grok Partners With Department Of War

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joe allen
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john solomon
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steve bannon
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pete hegseth
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jake tapper
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John, so you've got, tell me you've got all these insights into what's going on behind the scenes and with whistleblowers and everything.
But I just want you to TM, people should know that there's a ton of activity going behind the scenes and that this is now seguing quite rapidly from a civil problem where we spent too much money and you got to get these guys out to the country to a criminal issue where people knowingly look the other way or knowingly exacerbated this.
John, can you walk us through what you got?
john solomon
I could.
And there's also activity going back to Russia occlusion.
Keep an eye on Fort Pierce, Florida.
The grand jury is finally meeting a brand new grand jury now, taking in everything and looking at that grand conspiracy that goes back to the IRS in 2014 all the way through 2024.
So finally, there's some activity on the weaponization front that could result in criminal charges as opposed to just letters and complaints and grievances.
You've got some subpoenas coming out of the Senate in the next hour.
Keep an eye on that to some banks that were giving up people's records without subpoenas, apparently.
That's a weaponization and abuse of the Fourth Amendment.
And now we're beginning to look at this systemic welfare fraud problem that was centered in the Somali immigrant community of Minnesota, but extends out to other Somali satellite communities, such as in Columbus, Ohio, and Seattle and Atlanta.
So the big news that we got in the last 24 hours is that Tom Emmer, the number three member of the House, Republican leadership, he has confirmed on the record that congressional investigators are now have Minnesota state employees.
We've known that there were these whistleblowers, these state legislators were talking to them.
They've now become federal and congressional whistleblowers and they're signing affidavits.
And what Tom Emmer says is in the affidavits is people saying, I personally talked to the governor and his staff, Governor Tim Waltz and his staff, and I told them about this fraud, told them it needed to be stopped, and they did nothing.
They looked the other way.
That is very significant.
Now, Tom Emmer said, I think that's enough to bring criminal charges and to put the man in cuffs.
Now, that is a very significant moment because Congress will take that testimony.
It will make a criminal referral.
And there is a U.S. attorney out in Minnesota, no glitz, no glamour, but they are rolling up indictments and they mean business.
And it is very likely that Tim Waltz will not only be hauled before Congress, but this evidence, if referred from Congress to the U.S. Attorney and the Justice Department, could result in Tim Waltz becoming a subject or a target of the investigation.
That's certainly what Tom Emmer thinks.
Meanwhile, we're seeing the flow of money.
It wasn't just Minnesota.
So last week we talked about this.
Steve, 700 million bucks in suitcases flies out of Minnesota, often headed to either Amsterdam or Amsterdam to Dubai.
It was a foreign ATM machine moving money out of the United States from the Somali community.
We now know that this money was being staged in multiple locations.
This morning, the Transportation Security Administration confirming they tracked $136 million from Columbus, Ohio.
Columbus, Ohio has the second largest Somali population after Minneapolis.
The money is in suitcases in Columbus.
It flies to Minnesota.
It goes to Minneapolis.
Then the couriers in Minneapolis pick up that money, combine it with the money in Minnesota, and take it overseas.
Now, why are we, we have banks, we have remittance centers.
Why would the Somalis be doing all of this in suitcases, keeping it off the books and out of the radar?
Why wasn't the Biden administration stopping it or raising questions about it?
And where was that money ultimately going?
Was it going to al-Shabaab?
Was it coming back into the United States in political donations?
Was it just moving money out to help poor Somalis in their country?
We're just starting to get a look at that.
But this was a sophisticated money courier system, and Somalis are at the center of it.
The same Somali communities that were defrauding the government were moving money out of the country.
steve bannon
So we're having street battles in Minneapolis every night.
You see the footage and they're trying to intimidate President Trump.
We have two dates before us, John.
I want to walk through the critical path.
We have the 20 January upon us, or maybe a couple of days about the government shutdown, and the Democrats are now on TV every night saying they are not going to pass any appropriations for ICE to trick and ice down.
Then President Trump, following your theory of the case, he's sitting there going, hey, one February, I've had it.
California, because he's saying, hey, as bad as Minneapolis is, it's Minneapolis.
He says, California, Illinois, and New York, and New York State.
Small potatoes says, this thing's out of control.
The sanctuary city is out of control.
I want full investigations, but you ain't getting any money starting one February.
And obviously, that's going to be a massive court case.
Walk us through that, the logic of President Trump of how the administration you think is dealing with this.
john solomon
So I think there will be three or four different fronts.
And what has to happen in the administration's mind is the Democrats have to be put on defense.
It's time for them to stop calling the shots when they're not in charge.
So that's what happened during the last shutdown.
What's happened when 17 Republicans walked off the plank and went with Democrats and reapproved that corporate welfare that was going to big insurers that fund Democratic campaigns.
The offensive strategy for conservatives looks something like this.
One, I believe the FBI and the Justice Department are pretty close to finding the liberal funders of these protests.
And as Kash Patel said to me on Friday in the story that we broke on Friday, the FBI will arrest and prosecute any funder or organizer of these Minnesota protests that resulted in the obstruction of law enforcement proceedings.
So if you're sitting out on the street waving a flag or waving a banner, they don't care.
You move your car, you throw something, a snowball or an object at an ICE officer during a proceeding.
Not only are you, the person doing it, going to get arrested, the people who funded you and coordinated the logistics, that will put the left on the defensive for the first time.
They will have to answer for money that was tax-exempt, most likely, but being used for non-taxpayer-worthy events.
It will begin prosecuting money, choking off financial supplies, leading to the revocation of some tax-exempt status.
The second offensive measure that the administration is planning is to denaturalize some of the early Minnesota Somali citizens who came to the country and created fraud and were involved in fraud or perhaps lied to get into the country so they could commit fraud.
That denaturalization will send a shockwave through the immigrant communities of America that, hey, we want you here unless you're going to be a bad actor.
That is something that puts the left on the defensive.
Do they really want to support a naturalization continuation for someone who fleeced the American taxpayers by hundreds of millions of dollars or billions?
That's the second part of it.
The third part of it is beginning to look at the other states and find out how systemic this fraud was.
And was the goal of the fraud to be part of the Sanctuary City lure, which is, all right, open up the borders.
Joe Biden does that.
Then lure them to the battleground states, Michigan and Wisconsin and other places.
And then to keep those people there so that your apportionment changes, so your representation in Congress changes, so that your federal fund flows changes.
Look the other way.
If those Somalis or other immigrants just need money and so they defraud it, that's fine.
We're just not going to look at it.
We're not going to look at daycare centers, even though the law says we're supposed to confirm that.
We're going to look the other way.
Was that a system for Tim Waltz or was that a system for every blue state governor that was involved in the Sanctuary City importation of illegal aliens?
And then I think the final piece of the offensive measures here is next week we're going to get some stunning information.
It's going to be very hard for Americans to process this, but it is very important.
We're going to learn what Mexico was doing under the color of its own security and political agencies to bring America, to bring foreigners into the United States during the open Biden border years and to create anchor baby strategies here as sort of a effort to conquer and harm the United States.
That's going to come out next week.
When people see that Mexico has been involved in a national security operation against the United States and that anchor babies and birthright citizenship is at the core of their strategy, I believe the Supreme Court will get new briefs.
There'll be new information in that birthright case.
Those are the five offensive measures that the Trump administration is working on right now.
steve bannon
Wow.
That's a bombshell.
John, why I've got you, you've got another piece up that's fascinating.
The great game of the 19th century where the Russians and the British Empire, two empires about India, the jewel of the crown of the British Empire, warm water to port, they basically fought intelligence, proxy wars, all of it.
The great game of the 21st century is the Arctic.
And you've got Russia and China.
The head of China went to Canada 10 years ago and said, hey, by the way, guys, we actually are an Arctic power and we might want to take a bite out of you.
You've got a bombshell story about Danish intelligence, who is the colonial power over Greenland.
Last year, I think, shared intelligence with the Trump administration that there is an ongoing national security issue in the Arctic dealing with the Chinese Communist Party and the Russians.
Can you put some meat on the bone there?
john solomon
It's such a great story by Jerry Dunlevy, one of our great reporters here.
In December, right over the Christmas holidays, the Danish intelligence service said China and Russia do have malintentions for Greenland and the Arctic.
They intend to put us on the defensive.
They want our natural resources.
They want dominance in the Arctic Circle sphere of geography.
That is very different than the language you hear every day, which is you hear the Danish prime minister saying, we don't have any problem.
Russia and China aren't trying to.
Their own intelligence agencies said the opposite.
Now, in the next couple of days, you're going to see the second phase.
NATO has been making the same warnings internally, even though NATO right now says Trump's strategy to create a better security situation for Greenland could break up NATO.
They're using all of this incredible language, like this will sow the end of NATO.
We know it's not going to make NATO stronger because if Greenland is protected in a way that China and Russia are deterred, NATO's interests in the area are much better served.
And so these intelligence agencies are saying one thing.
Their woke political leaders are saying something different.
This Danish story is phase one.
You're going to see what NATO was saying internally in a couple of days.
The Europeans can't tell the truth.
That's one of the problems of the Trump paper.
The Europeans can't tell the truth.
steve bannon
By the way, I keep saying, as important as Greenland is for the Gaia Gap and the Russian submarines coming down, Canada under Carney is going to be the new Ukraine because the Chinese Communist Party and the Russians are looking at the great white north of Canada, that Arctic circle, and saying Canada can't defend it.
Is America going to do it?
I think Carney and the Canadians are in real trouble.
John Solomon.
john solomon
He's a very rape.
steve bannon
Where do people?
I think President Trump's sent enough signals that, yo, guys, you got a defense problem.
You're not putting in enough and you're not focused on where you should be focused, which is your northern Arctic border.
John, where do people go to get all your content, sir?
john solomon
Yeah, justinews.com and Jay Solomon reports on all social media.
Thanks for having me on, Steve.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you coming on, breaking up your day and doing that.
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steve bannon
Okay, Joe Allen joins us.
So, Joe, people should understand, I think, that the expeditionary strike capabilities of the United States is next level.
If you combine what President Trump unleashed to end the 12-day war in July and then couple that with what happened in Venezuela, which is two, three orders of magnitude what any other military in the world could put together, and quite frankly,
what they're contemplating on target packages, let's say, because there is people should just understand where I am a huge believer that they're doing everything perfectly on the economic warfare side to allow the Persian people to overthrow the Islamic Republic.
There are a lot of people, as you can imagine, pushing them to have a kinetic interdiction.
It is next level and so far beyond what other militaries can do.
However, this issue with artificial intelligence and actually the control of artificial intelligence, now we've got the Secretary of War.
And as you know, we're a huge Pete Hexafanth.
Pete's done a great job.
But we're actively, it's Google and it's Grok integrated into our warfighting capability.
First off, what in the hell does that mean?
I'd love Pete, but that was some gobbledygook.
You know, Pete has been very good about Venezuela, very good about the warfighting.
I didn't quite understand.
I can't unpack it.
He sounded like he was making a venture capital pitch.
What is actually going on, sir?
joe allen
Well, Steve, given the $200 million contract that XAI just landed with the Department of War, maybe in some sense, it was a venture capital pitch.
On the ground, it's actually quite unknown.
This is going to be very much an experiment going forward as to how something like Grok or Google's Gemini will actually operate within the Department of War.
You have this rollout happening in all sorts of different corporations, schools, government agencies.
This is simply moving that into the realm of the military.
Alongside this, you have the integration of AI into as many laptops, phones, and drone systems as is possible across the Department of War.
There's a company, Turbine One, that landed nearly a $100 million contract in order to integrate AI into all these systems.
One of the uses, the proposed use cases, would be to have these bots given access to unclassified and classified data, basically function as intelligence analysts do now.
So, for instance, Turbine 1, the goal would be to have chatbots when a soldier, infantry, or commander or anyone, just intelligence needs a rapid response to a question.
There's an issue, you would turn to the chatbot.
Chatbot would be able to scrape over all of the data in a system rather than a human going through page by page and ostensibly come back with an answer that was as accurate or maybe even more accurate and detailed than a human.
Nobody really knows exactly how that's going to end up going forward in the future because these systems, as we talked about so much on the war room, these systems are very prone to hallucination.
So the soldier is going to have to also weed through that, which will be energy and time consuming.
So this is all a big experiment, but it's a big experiment that has a lot of money behind it.
Google also landing a $200 million contract, both for their chatbot, but also to give access to their cloud computing system so that the Department of War will have a secure data environment for these bots to operate.
steve bannon
But this is the brand, by the way, drones were a major part of both elements for particularly Venezuela.
This is when you get into the argument: are we losing the Sputnik?
Are we ahead of Sputnik moment?
Are we losing the space race?
Are we losing the nuclear war capability of the Cold War?
The Eisenhower-Kennedy era, this is what they throw back to.
This is where actually the cutting edge of Chinese PLA military and Russian military with this.
So is this the reason they're so aggressive and putting it in because the other combatants are doing the same or trying to do the same?
And this is why I continue to argue.
I don't know why, given what we just heard in the last segment about the Arctic, given what we know they're doing in technology, I don't know why we're allowing any company or university to be trading with the enemy.
The Chinese Communist Party, and if you didn't see where their $1 trillion trade surplus, and Peter Navarra nailed it, the trade surplus with us is getting less horrific, particularly on the manufacturing side.
And they're doing a strategy called Beggar Thy Neighbor.
They're throughout the world.
They had a $1 trillion trade deficit.
So these people are the Chinese Communist Party is the enemy of Lao Beijing, the Chinese people.
They're the enemy of anybody they trade with because they're going to try to bury them, right, in their own exports.
They're an enemy up in the Arctic.
We know from intelligence, they're trying to be aggressive.
This is why I say Canada is going to be the next Ukraine.
The territorial sovereignty of, you know, what they made such a big deal about in Ukraine, although it was two Slavic entities going after the Russian-speaking Eastern part of it, in Canada, it's very distinct.
This is Canada.
That's China way over there, where China and Russia are going to come and take a bite.
So they're an enemy.
Why are we and understanding that this part we're talking about right now?
And that's why the Secretary of Ward made such a big deal about it and had the meeting with Elon Musk outside the SpaceX headquarters.
He comes out with Google.
He's letting our enemies know that we're ahead of this, yet we're still trading with the enemy.
We're still giving them the advanced chips and the training in the universities and all of it and the financing of all of it, of which with that, they would be years, light years in back of us instead of so competitive that, Joe, we're going to have Mark Beale on here that inside the Pentagon, this is the number one thing they're talking about.
When you talk about programmatically, you talk about weapons acquisitions, which is 80% of the business of the Pentagon, right?
This is what they talk about, Joe Allen.
joe allen
Yeah, there's two kind of angles or arguments on this.
One is that artificial intelligence is inarguably the frontier of warfare, the frontier of geopolitical power.
That's unproven at the moment.
So we don't know.
So the other argument is that perhaps this is all placing a massive bet on something that simply won't deliver.
What we need is better soldiers.
What we need are smarter infantrymen all the way up to the highest, the top brass.
We need better people.
I hear this both from analysts and from national security operatives and military people that a lot of times, for instance, the autonomous systems simply don't deliver as they're supposed to.
I'm sure many in the audience remember the mule, the kind of robotic pack mule that was supposed to follow soldiers everywhere.
And it just ended up being a huge hindrance to actual operations.
With autonomous weapons, again, you have the same artificial intelligence is extremely important for lethal autonomous weapon systems.
So imagine killer drones that are programmed to simply go out and find the enemy and kill without a human overseeing the operation.
On one hand, you have the argument that if you don't have fully autonomous drone systems, then your enemy will, China, Russia, whoever, and they'll completely overwhelm you with them.
The other argument, though, is that these systems, because the artificial intelligence is at present very flawed, these systems won't necessarily give you the advantage you really are going for.
And you'll end up with a whole lot of collateral damage, meaning the innocent people are killed for no good reason because you turned loose a swarm of robotic killer drones.
So there's the two different arguments.
One, as you just said, this is really hot right now.
So everyone is saying without AI, the U.S. falls behind, China wins.
We all speak Mandarin.
On the other side is the argument that if we put too much reliance on the machine, rather than cultivating better humans, you actually end up impeding military operations by relying over much on these machines.
steve bannon
Elon's pitch that robots, and he says this to forms of his people.
He sits there and says robots are going to take over everything in, I don't know, five or 10 years.
You're going to have a world of abundance.
You're not going to have to do anything.
So there's no focus in the AI community, let's be frank, blunt, there's no focus on making better humans.
There is making better humans as far as a Homo sapien, get your skill set up, your focus up.
There's a big focus on transhumanism of going past Homo sapien to Homo sapien 2.0, some enhanced version, whether it's a chip in your head and or you're enhanced through biotechnology and or other means.
Anyway, hang on, we've got a special guest that's going to join us.
Joe Allen is going to stick around.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
I know that this is a hard figure to have precisely, but ballpark, how many murderers do you believe ICE has rounded up so far?
tom homan
You know, I have no idea.
I can tell you that, you know, anywhere between 65 and 70%, everybody we're arresting is a criminal.
I know there's been a lot of murders.
I wish I had that number because the number's pretty high.
But if you look at, we were, you know, deported about 650,000 formal deportations since President Trump's been in office.
And you take 65, 70% of that being criminals.
That's a lot of bad people be deported.
unidentified
I'm asking because President Trump said yesterday that there are hundreds of thousands of murderers that ICE is going after.
tom homan
There's a lot of murders.
I just don't have that number.
unidentified
How many murderers are there?
tom homan
I'm not saying the president isn't realistic.
I don't have those numbers in front of me.
unidentified
There are hundreds of thousands of people on the list who committed murders in the U.S.
tom homan
I think we arrest a lot of murderers, and I don't have a number, and I'm not going to comment on the president's conduct.
I don't have that data in front of me.
steven nelson
Mr. Homan, Mr. Homan, with the defunding of sanctuary jurisdictions, could you say anything about what funds are going to be pulled back and which are not?
And can you also describe your relationship with Miramdani versus Eric Adams?
tom homan
First of all, I don't think decisions have been made yet about specific funds, but I support pulling federal funds away from cities that release public safety threats in their communities.
You're all working with us.
Sanctuary City is a sanctuary for criminals.
I have not met with the mayor of New York City.
I did meet with the mayor, the prior mayor, Eric Adams, because he asked for a meeting.
So we'll see what happens.
I have not met with Montani.
The only time I've ever seen him is up in Albany, New York, before he ran for mayor, and he was screaming and yelling and pushing his way through state police to try to get a moment with me.
But I was too busy eating my apple and ignoring him.
unidentified
Mr. Homer, Minneapolis, we're seeing images like yesterday of a woman who was stopped by federal agents.
She was dragged out of her car.
I know DHS always has a response to this as to why they're acting that way.
There are Americans who see this and say, this looks like Putin's Russia.
tom homan
What is her?
That's ridiculous.
You know what, Minneapolis, let's remember who set the stage here.
First of all, the Biden administration let millions of people release millions of illegal aliens in this country in violation of the law.
Many of them criminals because they weren't property vetted.
We're arresting thousands of them.
So first of all, they created the problem with millions of illegal alien criminals in this country.
Second of all, Minneapolis or Sanctuary City.
You know, if they let us in their damn jail and stop being a sanctuary city, we could arrest the bad guy in the safety and security of a jail.
But because they normally release them, now we've got to go in the community and find them.
Then they're mad.
We're in the community.
President Trump made his promise to American people, we're going to find these criminals and make this America safe again.
So if they don't let us in a jail, we're going to go in a community.
The difference is, in places that's not a sanctuary, one agent can walk into a jail and arrest one criminal, illegal alien.
But when you release him in the community, now we've got to send the whole team because we got to arrest somebody on their turf, the access, they have access, who knows what weapons.
It makes it dangerous for the officer, makes it dangerous for the alien, certainly makes it dangerous for the community.
So if Minneapolis wants to help, like I saw Mayor Friday do an interview this morning, let us in your damn jail.
What's the downside of letting a federal law enforcement officer with immigrants?
steve bannon
The downside, Tom Holman, who's doing a great job, the downside is they don't want any of the, they don't want the criminals out.
We're the mass deportations wing of this movement.
We want mass deportation.
The businesses, schools, you got to go, whatever you got to do, they got to go.
They've been warned they should all go home.
They should leave.
If they're not going to leave, then you got to go get them.
What you're doing is a part of it, but it shows you how adamant they're fighting Tom Holman and these guys every second of the day.
Tom Holman's 100% correct.
And these are some of those violent criminals.
They're asking how many murderers have you got?
You know, how many rapists?
This is what Walls and these guys are fighting.
This is what's making it so dangerous for ICE agents, for federal agents.
Mark Beale joins us now, the AI Policy Network.
Mark, we've had this huge, we had these firestorms.
You got the MAGA base here.
They don't want anarchy and chaos in AI.
They do agree with the president.
We want to be a leader in AI, but there's ways to be a leader.
Give us an overview where we are right now.
You saw Joe Allen in our previous segment.
Joe's talking about the Department of War and the Department of War is integrating AI as they have to, right, into modern weapons systems, although that's going to have a day.
It has a benefit to put us ahead of our rivals and our enemies like the Chinese Communist Party, but it also has dangers to it, right?
So where do we stand right now in your perspective?
You've dedicated your life now to this single issue, sir.
mark beall
Hey, Steve, we're at kind of a crossroads.
2025 saw a lot of attempts by the tech industry to drive home a policy of basically amnesty and no guardrails across any of these issues.
And they were unsuccessful.
And now the president has directed his team to put together a legislative proposal and to try to work with Congress to figure out what the right policy for the United States should be.
And to be clear, the stakes for this policy could not be higher.
There's a lot going on in the world today.
The world darkens.
We're looking around the corner potentially at World War III, and we have a tremendous amount of instability here at home.
But this issue will shape the next hundred years.
We have to get this one right.
At the policy level, looking at, for example, what the Secretary of War has done with DOD, I read that recent memo he put out and I thought to myself, whoever wrote that knows what they're doing.
And for the most part, there's a lot of good direction in that memo.
Unfortunately, and this is not a political statement, but the last four years or so, we were kind of adrift at DOD or DOW.
And so they're kind of having to set the ship right because ultimately we're seven years really into the AI adoption journey in the Department of War.
And we're still writing strategy memos.
We have to hurry up.
We have to move out and we have to do this smartly.
So I think at the end of the day, what really needs to happen from a policy perspective is the United States needs to hit the gas and accelerate and innovate and innovate.
We also have to turn the headlights on so that we know where we're going, we understand what the pitfalls are and we can avoid some of those bad outcomes.
steve bannon
I want to get on offense.
When you say that we're behind the adaption, why from a policy perspective, are we handling the Chinese Communist Party correctly?
Are we allowing them to get access to chips?
Are we allowing them to get educated, to be trained here, to pay for this?
And I realize, I want you to deal with the argument for the chips, well, we want them in kind of our stack.
We want to set the framework they do it, although they have a history of stealing everything and then throwing you out.
That's what they've done to every other technology.
So when you're saying we're in this competitive battle and it's a seven-year journey, we've got to kind of get on with it.
And the Department of War has really got to get up now, not just a strategy, but actually the thing itself.
Are we handling our opponents?
Are we basically funding and fueling our opponents in this critical of all battles, sir?
mark beall
It's a tough question.
And I can see the argument on both sides.
Where I come down is if it were 1962, it's hard to imagine the United States allowing the Soviet Union to access our nuclear physicists and capabilities.
I think the idea of letting China have access to exquisite American hardware that they can use to accelerate their own AI industry is a national security threat.
Unfortunately, the Chinese are working hard to build their own chips.
And so there is an argument that some people make that by provisioning China with our capabilities that we slow their industry down a little bit.
But at the end of the day, we're hearing directly from the Chinese AI companies that the lack of current American chips is their biggest bottleneck to winning the race for AI.
And so it's a little bit of a head scratcher to me.
steve bannon
Hang on, stop.
Hang on.
Hang on, stop.
Just hit rewind on that and start the top.
I want you to say it slowly because I want the audience to absorb this.
Just take it from the top.
Hit it again.
mark beall
So the idea, imagine if we were in 1962 at the height of the Cold War.
Imagine American technology companies and universities collaborating with the Soviet Union on nuclear physics.
It would be unthinkable.
It would be considered a dereliction of duty.
And I think today, if you do believe, and I do, that AI technologies will be incredibly existential for military supremacy and for economic competitiveness, then you have to think twice about whether or not you're going to give this exquisite American AI hardware to adversaries like the Communist Party in China.
And these are, in fact, more like weapon systems or like uranium for a nuclear weapon than they are a commercial technology in my view.
Now, that's not, that's a contested view.
That's my perspective, but I think that's right.
Furthermore, we know that the Chinese are working hard to build their indigenous capacity to build these chips.
However, they're very far behind.
And so what these Chinese AI lab CEOs are all telling their leadership in China is that their biggest bottleneck to accelerating their own innovation is access to American hardware.
So it's really hard for me to square the circle.
How do you win the AI race with China when you're selling them the engines that they need to compete with you?
And I think we need to have a hard look at that policy direction and where things are headed if we're going to be serious about ensuring American dominance in the 21st century.
steve bannon
Just take you, you don't bury the lead here.
You said it's a contested view.
Just what is how do people on quote unquote on our side of the football, supposedly, how do they contest that view as you just laid out?
What is the contested view?
Why is it why what you just said contested at all when it sounds incredibly straightforward and correct, sir?
mark beall
The argument goes something like this, Steve, that China has been struggling to build their indigenous capacity.
And by allowing American chips into the Chinese market, we will deter the capital expenditures required for them to actually scale that capacity.
So we'll slow their chip making down by letting Chinese companies have access to our technology.
And that's kind of the theory of the case here.
It's like you throw it sort of, you know, you're sort of deterring this capital flow into the indigenous capacity by like giving China this off-ramp and letting them use American hardware and reducing the urgency with which they need to indigenize their own capacity.
Of course, you and I know that communist China is not thinking about strategic capital allocation in the same way that American industry is.
This is not a capitalist society.
They will do both.
They will fund their own indigenous chip capacity at an incredible sense of urgency, and they will take advantage of the American capabilities as they come online to meet their near-term needs.
And so to me, this is sort of like a lose-lose situation right now under the current policy approach.
steve bannon
Mark, I want everybody to get up to speed on what you're working on, particularly this massive effort right now to get some sort of regulatory apparatus over this, like the Atomic Energy Commission or something during the nuclear and hydrogen bomb era.
Where do people go on your social media, particularly where they go on your website to get more about how you're drilling down on policy?
mark beall
Yeah, we're at the AIPN.org, AI Policy Network, and we're focused, Steve, on looking around the corner and trying to turn the headlights on so that the country and our elected officials can understand at a technical level and a policy level where all this is headed.
You know, I think if there's and people say, well, this is, you know, AI is going to be like every other technology.
It'll be disruptive.
It will cost some jobs.
It will create some new jobs.
We take the view that there's sort of no end in sight to how far and how fast this will scale.
And the disruption and the impact on humanity could be quite severe.
And we need to prepare.
We don't advocate for needless regulation.
We don't love the idea of regulation.
We don't love the idea of government control.
These are fundamentally at odds with our perspective.
Instead, we just want to ensure that as this technology comes online and continues to scale, that things that we hold most dear, the American founding principles that are embodied in our Constitution are preserved and perpetuated in this age of intelligence.
steve bannon
Amazing.
One more time, social media.
Where do people go?
mark beall
The AIPN.org, and my handle is at MarkBiel.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Fantastic.
Perfect.
Grace, let's make sure we drive everybody over there today.
Joe Allen, I know you got a bounce.
I'm going to have you on tomorrow, the next day, and give your speaking schedule.
But for right now, where do people go get your writings and your thoughts, sir?
joe allen
Anybody in the Nashville area to come out to the eighth room tomorrow night, Nashville, Tennessee.
I'll be speaking about the men behind the machine, primarily Elon Musk and Sam Altman.
You can say the subtitle is The Emperor and the Twink.
Nashville, Tennessee, eighth room, 6 p.m.
Pick us at the top of my social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
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Let's take care of here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
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unidentified
Why?
steve bannon
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steve bannon
I thought, did you?
I heard the debate last night.
Once again, you ran the tables.
Is there another debate tonight or tomorrow night?
mike lindell
No, not tonight, but I'd like to come on your show.
I've got clips from last night.
That was probably my best speech and best debate ever.
It was really, I'm getting better every day, everybody.
steve bannon
I know you are.
You're a learning curve machine.
Mike Lindell, thank you so much.
Love you, brother.
unidentified
Yep.
mike lindell
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
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Everybody asked me, where do they go right now to get more in-depth information and particularly to contact you?
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steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Andrew Covet and the Charlie Kirk show is next.
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