Dec. 10, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Battle. | ||
| Tuesday, 9, December, Year of Lord 2025. | ||
| Thank you for the second hour of a late afternoon, early evening edition of the War Room. | ||
| I have a very special guest going to join us in a minute, Michael Sobolik, a senior fellow from the Hudson Institute. | ||
| We're going to be talking CHIPS, the CCP, and geopolitics. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, also from Rome, is staying up late to join us. | ||
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| Michael Sobelik joins us, Senior Fellow from Hudson. | ||
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Michael, first, can you just walk people a quick snapshot? | |
| Because we're going to get into probably, I think, the most important issue facing us today: artificial intelligence, the drive to AGI and the super intelligence and the geopolitical impact of all this on our national security and the world. | ||
| Can you just give us a thumbnail of your background? | ||
| Gladly, Steve. | ||
| My background, I've been working on U.S.-China relations for a little over a decade in D.C. | ||
| I was Ted Cruz's China guy in the Senate from 2014 to 2019. | ||
| And then I've been in the think tank space since then, published a book on China's grand strategy last year called Countering China's Great Game. | ||
| And I've been at Hudson Institute continuing that strategic work against the Chinese Communist Party over the past year. | ||
| So help me out here, brother. | ||
| We're a big fan of your work, is what I don't get. | ||
| And particularly, you know, knowing President Trump really on the politics side from about 2014, 2000, I guess, 11, 12, but really 14. | ||
| He's a guy that really came on the scene. | ||
| And one of his biggest things besides Colonel Board and Immigration was really the confrontation that was coming with China. | ||
| President Trump's done more on this topic, as you know, than anybody. | ||
| Yet in the last 72 hours, we've had this kind of group of tech bros saying, arguing, hey, we're at an inflection point on this race for artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence, superintelligence. | ||
| We've had kind of a Sputnik moment, right, with DeepSeek. | ||
| We need the weapons labs turned over to us. | ||
| We need the national labs turned over to us. | ||
| Any of these people at all that are talking about any kind of constraints at all are slowing us down in this race against China because the CCP, we're in a dead heat with this, and the CCP cannot become the leaders in this. | ||
| On the other side, we have the situation. | ||
| We have Jensen Wong and who I call the arms dealers, right? | ||
| The arms dealers are telling us it doesn't really matter if China wins or Chinese companies. | ||
| And, you know, we really want them on our technology and we should sell them. | ||
| And the White House has been going through this with Jensen Wong and him making the pitch. | ||
| Then the Justice Department comes out yesterday and tells us, hey, we've had this huge program to make sure guys can't take these chips and give them the black market because that would give the Chinese, even let them catch up to us. | ||
| At the same time, they announced this deal. | ||
| The White House announced this deal. | ||
| We're going to sell some of the most advanced chips in the world to the Chinese Communist Party and give them the chance to get parity with us. | ||
| Just step back for a second and please make this make sense to our audience, sir. | ||
| The president should be very upset with the people around him and nearby him who are encouraging him to approve the sale. | ||
| It was striking and I would say even embarrassing timing for the administration that that Department of Justice announcement came out just minutes after President Trump's approval for NVIDIA to sell those chips to China. | ||
| It was striking that the news release from DOJ said that these chips have military potential and whoever controls and wins the AI race is going to be in a strategically dominant position. | ||
| Now, this is the first time. | ||
| Michael, Michael, Michael, hang on, hang on. | ||
| Michael, hang on. | ||
| I thought it was actually, I thought it was a phony announcement. | ||
| I thought it was one of these memes that gets put up that's completely phony. | ||
| The timing of it was so bizarre that I thought somebody trying to make fun of the president or the White House had put this out and it was just totally made up. | ||
| It turns out it's not. | ||
| It just happened to come out from the Justice Department at the same time. | ||
| Tie those two together. | ||
| What did the Justice Department's massive investigation uncover that they're indicting people versus what Jensen Wong really talked to the president, talked president's advisors into doing? | ||
| Well, Jensen Huang has been speaking out of multiple sides of his mouth for months now. | ||
| He's told the president that we don't need to worry about their high-end chips being smuggled or diverted to China. | ||
| He's either said it's not happening or then he says it is happening, but you don't need to worry about it. | ||
| Just let us sell directly. | ||
| That DOJ announcement was saying in loud, bright technicolor that there are smuggling attempts from Chinese agents to get these highly advanced AI chips that are controlled and banned from being exported to China. | ||
| And it underscores, I think, some of the dishonesty coming from industry, from NVIDIA in particular. | ||
| This is an issue that companies in China are trying to get the latest and the best technology that we have because they can't make it themselves. | ||
| And whenever you, that side by side was so striking, Steve. | ||
| It was striking because it was almost an indictment against the very decision that Trump got terrible advice on just a few minutes ago. | ||
| And I think he should be really upset at the people around him because they are not, they're not guiding or directing the policy for the country well at the moment. | ||
| How can you also argue both sides of this, that we need no restraints whatsoever, turn over the labs. | ||
| You know, you got more regulations if you want to open a nail salon on Capitol Hill than you have against the frontier labs. | ||
| At the same time, we are providing the entire ecosystem, not just the chips, but also training and capital and know-how for the Chinese Communist Party to be even close to being competitive on this, sir. | ||
| Yeah, I think if you step back, there are two things with U.S. policy that matter at the same time. | ||
| Number one, we should want our companies and the American tech stack to dominate the world. | ||
| That should be in America's interest because we would rather have American technology be dominant as opposed to technology that's controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| However, there is another thing that matters equally as much, which is we need to make sure that only our friends, our allies, and aligned countries with the United States get this technology because this AI wave is going to crest across the whole world. | ||
| And whoever has access to it will bend it to their interests. | ||
| And we do not want a Leninist state like the Chinese Communist Party using American technology to threaten Americans. | ||
| We have seen this story over and over and over again over the past few years with Wall Street enabling the human rights abuses inside of China through their investments, tech transfers from companies allowing the CCP to have bioengineered surveillance. | ||
| That's terrible and it's morally atrocious. | ||
| But what would be really dangerous is if we had the American AI tech stack being leveraged by a foreign adversary to train models for warfare that would be targeting U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines. | ||
| That's a huge problem. | ||
| So when you have people either inside the administration or outside saying that we need to diffuse American technology, they're not wrong, but it's an incomplete answer. | ||
| We need to diffuse it to the right partners, which is why we may talk about this in a few minutes, but this is why folks in Congress like Senator Banks and Chairman Mast, who were working on legislation recently on this, were doing the exact right thing because this should only go to friends, not to enemies. | ||
| But Jensen Huang and NVIDIA want to sell these crown jewels of American technology to our most dangerous foreign adversary. | ||
| That's what makes no sense. | ||
| I mean, the NDAA banks, I think it was the RAINS Act, they had this proposal we had them on a couple of times to say, hey, look, if you get these chips available, they go to American companies before they go to any foreign companies. | ||
| And since the demand's so much, they'll never go to a foreign country. | ||
| That was literally snatched out at the same moment they were trying to put the AI amnesty to slide it in. | ||
| They took banks as out. | ||
| Now, thank God we were able to get the amnesty out also. | ||
| And now we're threatened with an executive order. | ||
| But why would they take banks' proposal was so logical, particularly it's America first. | ||
| It reinforces American industry. | ||
| It still leaves the possibility that you may be open, but of course, there's not going to be chips available. | ||
| Why was Banks's proposal taken out in the dead of night? | ||
| It was taken out for the exact same reason that we've had these issues with China policy for decades now. | ||
| Commercial interests have a veto over national security concerns. | ||
| And the disappointing part about this is that that isn't really a new story in Washington. | ||
| And I think it speaks to something that you actually brought up a few minutes ago, Steve. | ||
| On the one hand, nobody has done more to categorically shift America's strategic approach to China than Donald Trump. | ||
| He took a wrecking ball to decades of conventional wisdom on China in his first term, and he did it rightly. | ||
| He was entirely justified to do that. | ||
| We needed a leader to get us out of that muck and stop engaging a Leninist regime economically because they were never going to change politically. | ||
| But I think it is abundantly clear at this point that you have commercial interests in America that are doing what they, I guess, should be doing, which is maximize their revenue streams, profit margins, and their shareholder values. | ||
| That's fine so far as it goes, but it's the jobs of elected policymakers and their staff and their advisors to weigh those commercial concerns with security concerns. | ||
| This is what it means to defend the national interest, and nothing should ever trump the safety and security of the American people. | ||
| So when you have Jensen Huang making this case to members on Capitol Hill saying that that legislation from Senator Banks, Chairman Mast and others was going to be a terrible thing for the United States economically or competitively, that's not really true. | ||
| It would have been less than ideal for NVIDIA, but that's an entirely separate conversation. | ||
| It's an America first proposal quintessentially to say that U.S. companies should get these critical chips before Chinese companies. | ||
| And maybe for just a second, let's talk about why. | ||
| When we talk about these chips, The best analogy that I've come across out there, think about these chips with the AI revolution as uranium with the nuclear revolution in the previous century. | ||
| Just as uranium, plutonium, and the ability to have nuclear power changed the game in every single way, these chips are the upstream component that are powering and enabling the AI revolution. | ||
| If we allow NVIDIA to sell these very capable chips to a foreign adversary, chips that they themselves cannot design or build for the next two years or so, we're not only helping China run faster, that's essentially a redux of Barack Obama's nuclear deal with Iran, the very deal that Trump got us out of because it was a bad deal. | ||
| And this is what's so mind-boggling about this. | ||
| Donald Trump hates weakness, as he should, but the people around him are pushing him into a weak policy. | ||
| It's really stunning. | ||
| I want to go back for a second and put this, you framed it, I think, great, because we've had the framing of Graham Allison and the team about the Thucydides trap. | ||
| When you wrote your book, you kind of turned on ahead. | ||
| You said, no, the analogy we got to look for is what happened between the Russian Empire and the British Empire in the 19th century, the Great Game, right? | ||
| Which was really about India and a warm water port. | ||
| And you've got to look at it in the context of that. | ||
| How does this raise, first of all, before we get to the specifics of what just happened the last 72 hours, the whole fight for technological supremacy, right? | ||
| Because the Chinese have had a history, like in 2019, when they tore up the two-year deal that Leidhiser-Navarro negotiated for President Trump, the big deal, they tore it up in our face and said, made a statement, we want to decouple from Western technology. | ||
| We don't want the foreign devils to control us. | ||
| Technology has been at the centerpiece of the new great game. | ||
| Walk us through your framing of this and why it's important to understand it this way than to fall into kind of Graham Allison's Thucydides trap. | ||
| The Thucydides trap framework is an enticing one because it makes everything very simple of a rising power, a declining power, and that makes the probability of war higher and more dangerous. | ||
| Sure, that is true, but I think it misses the nuance of what the Chinese Communist Party as a regime is doing. | ||
| So the reason I honed in on the great game, and I think it's apt and relevant, is because China is more than just this ascendant power that is getting wealthier and stronger. | ||
| It is now leveraging that power all around the world, as China did during its imperial era, because it wants what the United States has right now. | ||
| Xi Jinping wants the People's Republic of China to be the most powerful country on the face of the planet. | ||
| And he wants this, not for the same reasons that Americans have accepted this position of power. | ||
| Xi Jinping wants this because the Chinese Communist Party is a paranoid single-party dictatorship, and they cannot rest secure until every single square inch of the globe is something that they can control or channel for their own purposes. | ||
| It's why they leverage TikTok inside of the United States. | ||
| It's why they have secret police stations inside of the United States. | ||
| It is why they cultivate friends and billionaires in high places throughout the United States to launder their own interests through. | ||
| They are looking to weaken our own system of government and the system of governments of our allies and closest friends around the world because they are playing a global game. | ||
| And technology helps them do this because it gives them eyes and ears everywhere. | ||
| This is why you cannot separate technology from ideology. | ||
| Who you are and what kind of regime you are is going to inform what you use technology for and what ends you try to bend it toward. | ||
| And the Chinese Communist Party has been abundantly clear. | ||
| They want DNA samples. | ||
| from every single human on the face of the planet. | ||
| And we know that the People's Liberation Army is using biotechnology for bioengineered weapons along, among others, racial lines. | ||
| This is very dangerous stuff that it is not clear to me that we're taking adequately seriously. | ||
| And it's also why you cannot divorce the AI revolution from the next generation of warfare. | ||
| This is going to be at the epicenter of great nation conflict. | ||
| And if we unilaterally cede all of some of our best chips to an adversary, we are no better than Bill Clinton was in the 1990s when he pushed for permanent normal trade relations with China. | ||
| There are trade-offs in this world. | ||
| And it was the hallmark of that decision to think we can have our cake and eat it too. | ||
| We can get rich and also eliminate the threat from China. | ||
| That didn't happen. | ||
| And then Trump came in and corrected it. | ||
| But now the people around him are pushing him to recreate and repeat the exact same mistake that Bill Clinton and many other politicians at that time made. | ||
| To believe this Pollyannish notion that there are no trade-offs, that we can have it all. | ||
| We can have our tech companies be wealthy and we can be secure and they can sell to whoever they want and maximize their own private interests. | ||
| That is not how the world works. | ||
| And if we don't accept that, we will be in for a rude awakening. | ||
| A rude awakening. | ||
| You know, Pete Hicks has put this video out this morning about AI on the battlefield. | ||
| I said, man, between the Justice Department announcing the industrial sabotage, industrial espionage to black market these chips out of here and Pete saying, hey, we're turning the entire military over. | ||
| Every military individual is going to have an AI agent on the battlefield. | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| Also, and I realize I take a harsher line than most. | ||
| I've been saying for a while now, Jensen Wong is an agent of influence of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| To get back to your point, he's made the statement over and over again. | ||
| It doesn't matter if China wins the AI race. | ||
| We're going to all benefit together. | ||
| It doesn't matter if a Chinese company wins it. | ||
| It will benefit together. | ||
| That's just a bald-faced lie. | ||
| That's just not the way the Chinese Communist Party works. | ||
| Is it, sir? | ||
| No, it's not at all. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party has been deceiving Americans for almost 100 years. | ||
| If you go back to the 1930s and the 1940s, when Mao was trying to make the CCP an actual thing and not just this ragtag party on the run, one of the reasons they won the Civil War in China after kicking Imperial Japan out was by convincing the Americans that they were a proto-democracy party and they just needed resources and help to become stronger and then they would democratize. | ||
| This is the very thing that we assumed would happen at the turn of the 20th century with China was the same lie that Mao told us in the 30s. | ||
| That we miss this continuously and still fall for the same trick over and over and over again not only speaks to how good the Chinese Communist Party is at disinformation and what they would call united front work, but I think it also speaks to this streak of idealism in American strategic culture. | ||
| Now, idealism can be a good thing if it keeps you tethered to your core principles about who we are. | ||
| But if the idealism becomes myopic and if it blinds you from seeing reality, then you are aiding and falling into the traps that your adversaries are laying for you. | ||
| So when Jensen Huang says it does not matter who wins the AI race, that's a very convenient talking point for NVIDIA's bottom line. | ||
| But it is completely divorced from reality because we're in a Cold War with Beijing and there's going to be a winner and there's going to be a loser. | ||
| And maybe a hot war over Taiwan. | ||
| By the way, you know, General Marshall was the one that bought that hook line and sinker along with the State Department. | ||
| And, you know, the Chinese had just lost 20 to 35 million people. | ||
| The Lao Beijing were our allies, and most of that was Komangtan or, you know, who the Americans rallied together. | ||
| The CCP spent most of their time fighting the Kuomintang and not the Japanese. | ||
| Topic for a different day. | ||
| Your recommendation, we just got about two minutes. | ||
| Your recommendation to the president, given everything that's gone on to rethink this, what would be the two or three things Michael Sobolek would tell President Trump? | ||
| I would say, number one, whenever a CEO tells you that there's no downside and that there's no trade-off, I would remember the populist voters who helped him get into office again. | ||
| To say that the bottom line of the world's most highly valued company is going to be the deciding factor is going to be a political liability. | ||
| It will be a trap. | ||
| So there is no one, I think, better to keep in mind in these moments than the American people, which certainly President Trump does as a routine matter. | ||
| I think in this matter in particularly, it is really urgent. | ||
| I would also say, number two, there is no win-win outcome with the Chinese Communist Party, regardless of how good of a deal maker we have on our side of the table. | ||
| The deal that we just negotiated in South Korea is going to fall apart. | ||
| Not because Donald Trump is a bad negotiator, but because Xi Jinping is leading a Leninist regime that lies as a matter of routine. | ||
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We need to face reality. | |
| Michael, I want people to become very familiar with your writings. | ||
| Where do they go for your book and where do they go for everything you're putting up on social media and all the work, all the great work you're doing at Hudson? | ||
| Thank you for the book. | ||
| Hop over to Amazon and search for Countering China's Great Game. | ||
| And then you can follow me on X at Michael Sobelik. | ||
| Michael, thank you, and thank you for all the great work you're doing in this topic. | ||
| the most vital topic today, but the vital national security interests of the United States. | ||
| Michael Soba looks at it with a, realistically, what it has to be. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Honored to have you on here. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Incredible, incredible, incredible. | ||
| We've got a lot more we're going to spend about the Chinese Communist Party and the direction right now. | ||
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| Is Zelensky responsible for the stalled progress or what's going on there? | ||
| Well, he's got to read the proposal. | ||
| He hadn't written, really, he hasn't read it. | ||
| The most recent draft. | ||
| That's as of yesterday. | ||
| And maybe he's read it over the night. | ||
| It would be nice if he would read it. | ||
| You know, a lot of people are dying, so it would be really good if he'd read it. | ||
| His people loved the proposal. | ||
| They really liked it. | ||
| His lieutenants, his top people, they liked it. | ||
| But they said he hasn't read it yet. | ||
| I think he should find time to read it. | ||
| Is it time for Ukraine to hold an election, do you think? | ||
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Yeah, I think so. | |
| It's been a long time. | ||
| It hasn't been doing particularly well. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's time. | ||
| I think it's an important time to hold an election. | ||
| They're using war not to hold an election, but I would think the Ukrainian people should have that choice. | ||
| And maybe Zelensky would win. | ||
| I don't know who would win, but they haven't had an election in a long time. | ||
| They talk about a democracy, but it gets to a point where it's not a democracy anymore. | ||
| On Sunday, your son, Donald Trump Jr. responded to a reporter's question about whether you will, quote, walk away from Ukraine. | ||
| And your son said, I think he may. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| No, it's not correct, but it's not exactly wrong. | ||
| We have to, you know, they have to play ball if they don't read agreements, potential agreements. | ||
| You know, it's not easy with Russia because Russia has the upper hand. | ||
| And they always did. | ||
| They're much bigger. | ||
| They're much stronger in that sense. | ||
| I give Ukraine a lot of, I give the people of Ukraine and the military of Ukraine tremendous credit for the bravery and for the fighting and all of that. | ||
| But at some point, size will win generally. | ||
| And this is a massive size. | ||
| He's a great salesman. | ||
| I call him P.T. Barnum. | ||
| You know who P.T. Barnum was, right? | ||
| I do. | ||
| One of the greatest on earth. | ||
| He could sell any product at any time. | ||
| That was his expression. | ||
| I can sell any product at any time. | ||
| It was true. | ||
| He said, it doesn't matter whether it works or not. | ||
| But he's P.T. Barnum. | ||
| He got crooked Joe Biden to give him $350 billion. | ||
| And look what he got. | ||
| Got him about 25% of his country is missing. | ||
| Some leaders in Europe are a little freaked out by what your posture is. | ||
| They should be freaked out by what they're doing to their countries. | ||
| They're destroying their country. | ||
| European Council friends. | ||
| They're people I like. | ||
| Look, they're people I like. | ||
| I get along with them. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| But they can't let this happen. | ||
| And it gets to a point where you can't really correct it. | ||
| There'll be a point, and it's very close to that. | ||
| And what will that mean? | ||
| It will mean that they're no longer going to be strong nations. | ||
| Or they won't be allies. | ||
| Or they'll be, well, it depends. | ||
| You know, it depends. | ||
| They'll change their ideology, obviously, because the people coming in have a totally different ideology. | ||
| But it's going to make them much weaker. | ||
| They'll be much weaker, and they'll be much different. | ||
| And what will that mean for our relationship? | ||
| You have to look at your mayor of London. | ||
| He's a disaster. | ||
| He's a disaster. | ||
| He's got a totally different ideology of what he's supposed to have. | ||
| And he gets elected because so many people have come in and they vote for him now because, you know, it's like it's one of those things. | ||
| But I hate what's happened to London and I hate what's happened to Paris. | ||
| I hate when I see it. | ||
| You know, sir, it's sometimes hard to tell when you say these things. | ||
| Do you intend to send kind of a message of tough love to our allies to push them to make reforms? | ||
| Or do you think that many of them are just weak and you don't really want to be allies with them? | ||
| I think they're weak. | ||
| But I also think that they want to be so politically correct. | ||
| I think they don't know what to do. | ||
| Europe doesn't know what to do. | ||
| They don't know what to do on trade either. | ||
| I mean, I look at a lot of the trade situation that's going on over there. | ||
| It's a little bit dangerous. | ||
| But Europe, they want to be politically correct, and it makes them weak. | ||
| That's what makes them weak. | ||
| It sounds like you want to see some pretty massive changes. | ||
| Well, I think they should get the people out that came into the country illegally. | ||
| I want to ask about New York. | ||
| If you take a look at Sweden, so Sweden was known as the safest country in Europe, one of the safest countries in the world. | ||
| Now it's known as a very unsafe, well, pretty unsafe country. | ||
| It's not even believable. | ||
| It's a whole different country. | ||
| Ben Hornwell, President Trump, let's tie this to the national security document. | ||
| And folks, we put it out for you over the weekend. | ||
| Make sure that you read it. | ||
| 33 pages. | ||
| You should understand it. | ||
| It's really a brutal assessment of Europe that's never been in any American document before to even question civilizationally. | ||
| Do they even exist in 20 or 30 years? | ||
| I did Liz Truss podcast yesterday. | ||
| We talked about this and she said, hey, I think that's optimistic. | ||
| She wrote a book saying we've got 10 years. | ||
| The West, particularly Western Europe, has got 10 years. | ||
| Harnwell, put in context of your reporting and coverage and observations and analytics, what the President just said there, vis-a-vis Europe overall, the future of it, the leaders of it, and how it particularly applies to this debacle in the Ukraine, sir. | ||
| Well, it's vintage Donald Trump, right? | ||
| This interview with Politico on the back of the national security strategy. | ||
| They sort of, they go together, these two things. | ||
| And both of them taken collectively are vintage Donald Trump. | ||
| His throwdown, as is his style, he says things, then perhaps he'll come back to them a couple of weeks later. | ||
| He'll say them again. | ||
| He'll increase the emphasis. | ||
| He expects his allies in the Chancellories on the European continent to listen to what he's saying and take it into consideration. | ||
| They're not doing because they don't treat him with respect. | ||
| So what was the thing I'm really very happy to see in the national security strategy? | ||
| Well, let's go on the immigration point, which is so key. | ||
| It's existential here in continental Europe, as it is for the United States itself, the invasion. | ||
| What does he say? | ||
| He says explicitly, he calls out, using the rhetoric of our European Commission overlords, he says, look, the point is, it's not about facilitating immigration into the country or to have it done in an orderly fashion. | ||
| It needs to be stopped, and countries need to have absolute control over who's coming in. | ||
| And he's absolutely right. | ||
| That is the issue. | ||
| Countries for themselves need to decide who comes in. | ||
| And when they refuse entry, those people can't then just come in illegally and set themselves up with driving licenses, put their kids through school, and all the rest of it. | ||
| They need to go home. | ||
| So that is a throwdown to the European Commission on the immigration point, which is so important. | ||
| Look, I've got something, I sent it through to Denver. | ||
| If they have it, I'd be very grateful if they just pushed this up. | ||
| This was from the newspapers yesterday. | ||
| No, it's the Daily Telegraph thing I'm going to go for. | ||
| Just to give an illustration of how bad things are, there was a primary school teacher who was sacked, fired, that is to say, to use the US vernacular. | ||
| He was fired because he told a school, a child, that this was a Christian country. | ||
| The police were called in and opened up an investigation on the basis of it being hate crime, right? | ||
| That is what's going on in the UK. | ||
| I put out on Geta yesterday this story about a former Royal Marine who was banned from working with children and prohibited from coaching his daughter's football team because a couple of years ago he put out on Facebook a rather spicy video against the invasion. | ||
| And that again opened up a police inquiry with the potential, the peace said that that was child abuse. | ||
| So he's not allowed to work with children. | ||
| That is what's going on on the front line of the UK. | ||
| And America has an extremely, especially under uniquely under this administration, under President Trump's leadership, America has a role it can play. | ||
| If there is one thing our sociopathic overlords hate, Steve, it's being called out on these things. | ||
| And the reason they hate being called out on these things, you know, and I cite, for example, because it was pretty good, was JD Vance's speech to the Munich Security Conference, when he actually cited these specific types of things, mention names, mention the countries. | ||
| The reason why that really doesn't go down well here in the European capitals is because our elites here, our sociopathic overlords, they know they don't have the people with them, right? | ||
| They know that they are hated and detested by the people, right? | ||
| They can see the demographic electoral changes at work and they see the whole swathe of people leaving the center ground of political politics and moving in two directions. | ||
| Some to the far left, many, many more to what was traditionally called the far right, which is now becoming a mainstream proposition. | ||
| Our leaders here in Europe, Steve, they see this taking place. | ||
| And when they imprison people for their spicy social media posts, they know the anger that is rippling across the country. | ||
| And they know that pretty soon they're not going to be able to keep it under control. | ||
| And their one salvation, Steve, they're one remaining shtick. | ||
| Because the whole inevitability of their movement basically exploded definitively when President Trump descended the golden escalator. | ||
| And the inevitability of their regime and this various strictures blow up that and they've never been able to hold that together. | ||
| You know, this idea that the liberal progressive superstructure was inevitable. | ||
| So what do they have, Steve? | ||
| What is the one thing that they have left? | ||
| I'll give back to you on this point. | ||
| What's the one thing that our European elites have left? | ||
| It's the idea that they're acting as behalf of some kind of European system-wide consensus. | ||
| They're the professionals in the room. | ||
| And the reason why I want to come back to this point, the role that America can play, it needs, you know, you need to have, if I may say this, your ambassadors in these European chances, they need to be posting these things, pushing them out on social media and say, we are paying attention to this. | ||
| President Trump, he needs to be calling out in front of the television cameras when he sits down with these European leaders. | ||
| He needs to be mentioning these and citing the names. | ||
| Because when these leaders then come back to their peoples, as I say, they know they're hated by their own peoples. | ||
| If the idea that they don't have this system-wide superstructure of professionality that is above them to save them, because the most military, financial, cultural, culturally important nation on the planet is actively saying, what are you doing? | ||
| Then they're sandwiched between these two forces, right? | ||
| The importance of America and their own peoples. | ||
| That is a real difference that America can play, that President Trump can play. | ||
| All he needs to do is just follow through on what he's outlined in this U.S. national security strategy. | ||
| And there's going to be real significant demographic gained electoral gains here in Europe. | ||
| And you're going to start seeing governments that really do want to work hand in hand with his vision for the long term, rather than the performative theatrics that a lot of them are doing right now. | ||
| You think it's one of the reasons the Europeans went nuts on this was that it was not very subtle. | ||
| President Trump said, hey, you're seeing a changing of the guard. | ||
| You're seeing the populist nationalist right rise, whether it's Nigel Farage in the United Kingdom or alternative Deutschland. | ||
| I just had Beatrix von Stortron last night, AFD in Germany. | ||
| Front Nationale now leads the polls in France. | ||
| Even Maloney, our favorite, is trying to be more performative about things that are right. | ||
| People realize this is a tectonic plate shift that has been commencing when Trump came with Brexit 10 years, but now getting momentum. | ||
| The question for you right now, to close the show, I just want people to think about it overnight. | ||
| This situation in Ukraine, the president's in Pennsylvania today, as we've talked about, the pressure on the midterms, President Trump focused on economic policy, understand that it's inextricably linked with our national security and global economic policy. | ||
| But I think most people in the country would say that the Middle East and the Israel situation and Ukraine have taken up an inordinate amount of time that President Trump is trying to be a peacemaker. | ||
| Given this meeting that Starmer and Macron had and Zelensky's kind of just dismissive, we're not giving up any territory. | ||
| Is now the time for President Trump to say, hey, look, just have at it then. | ||
| And you're going to have another year or two max of the Russians pounding. | ||
| They'll take Odessa and this thing will get sorted just by the reality on the battlefield. | ||
| And the United States doesn't have to be. | ||
| And I mean, leading a huge fight, we will lead a huge fight in the Senate to cut off all money and just say pox on both your houses. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's it. | ||
| President Trump should say that in those words, have at it, because he knows that the Europeans don't have money. | ||
| There's no money in the UK. | ||
| Anyone's been following the UK domestic political situation over the last week with the presentation of the budget and the British Chancellor, Rachel Reeves and Sakir Stalin lying to the British people, lying to Parliament, lying to the cabinet, saying that they needed to massively hoik up taxes to cover the budget deficit of many billions, which simply wasn't the case. | ||
| There is no money. | ||
| There is simply no money in the UK for this. | ||
| And, you know, Germany, that was also president, Friedrich Mertz, the German Chancellor, present as well, along with Emmanuel Macron. | ||
| There's no money. | ||
| And you know how this is performative when they're doing their gangster walk? | ||
| You know how this is so performative. | ||
| Can I tell you how you can tell that this is there's no phony Maloney. | ||
| Phoney Maloney looks at this, right? | ||
| And she's the queen. | ||
| She's the queen of theatric performatism. | ||
| And she wants no part of this. | ||
| Italy wants no part of it because they know it's going to end in humiliation. | ||
| That's your barometer. | ||
| If you treat Pony Maloney as the weather vane, right? | ||
| And you know, it's very useful in politics. | ||
| I don't mean to be cynical, Steve, but it's very useful in politics to have some totally principle-less hacks who are acting as flags waving in the wind or weather vanes on top of the church spire. | ||
| These people have an essential role to play in politics because those are the people you want to look at and see where they have no, all they have is ambition, right? | ||
| And they have a genius for seeing where the wind is going. | ||
| They have a function. | ||
| Look at these people. | ||
| Look at Phoney Maloney. | ||
| She wasn't there in London yesterday and she was doing the gangster walk as bad as anyone else. | ||
| She wants no part of it because she knows it's going to end in humiliation. | ||
| So look at the weather veins in our European capitals because they'll tell you which way the wind is going. | ||
| Macron's finished anyway. | ||
| His political career is finished and over. | ||
| Friedrich Mertz and Kirstarma, they're doing the usual trick of wag the dog, right? | ||
| You know, they've got a domestic agenda that's in the tank. | ||
| So they're trying to distract attention from the domestic failures and suggest, you know, nothing makes a second-rate hack look like a world leader than strutting around on the world stage when war is involved. | ||
| And that's what they're doing at the moment. | ||
| But it has a very limited lifetime. | ||
| And it's not even going to be a couple of years, Steve. | ||
| I don't think, because Russia is making the gains. | ||
| Ukraine's running out of the, they are, we are really seeing the literal definition of Professor Mearsheimer's hypothesis of fighting Russia down to the last Ukrainian. | ||
| It really does require President Trump to put his foot on the hose and say no more hope. | ||
| This isn't, you know, you've got to have at it, Europe, if you think you can make a difference. | ||
| Have at it, Zelensky, if you think you can preserve the Donbass, but you won't because America is not going to come in to support you. | ||
| And once that is decisively said, I think the two sides will sit down and hammer out an agreement. | ||
| Ben, brilliant analysis. | ||
| I'll come back maybe tomorrow and talk to you about Sadiq Khan. | ||
| Proz and Drum singled him out and compare that to New York City, Donnie. | ||
| Ben, where do people go? | ||
| Steve, my social media platform of choice, Getter. | ||
| Tap in my surname at Harnwell. | ||
| And many of the themes that I've mentioned here on the show tonight, you'll find them at the top of my feed, awaiting your attention. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Thanks for staying up with us. | ||
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