Dec. 9, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you're going to like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Battle. | |
| It's Monday, 8 December in the year of our Lord 2025. | ||
| Thank you for sticking around for the early evening edition of The War Room. | ||
| I want to thank you. | ||
| I've got two of my favorite people on today. | ||
| Beatrice Van Storch from one of the leaders of Alternative for Deutschland. | ||
| One of the great, she's one of the great, I think, heroes in the world today, what she's done and what they've tried to do to her and destroy her. | ||
| The cut of her jib is like President Trump, a fighter, and like the war imposse. | ||
| Also, Raymond Ibrahim, the author of so many great books. | ||
| Now his third one's out about the warrior monks. | ||
| He's a Coptic Christian from Egypt, and he's written about the West and its fight against radical Islam and the rise of Islam. | ||
| And they've been amazing. | ||
| He's going to be on here. | ||
| And I wanted to have them both on together because this topic's kind of inextricably linked. | ||
| So Beechers, I was able just to tee it up on the morning show to kind of say, hey, Beecher is going to be on here at 6 o'clock. | ||
| The Washington Post did an article this weekend that talked about using democratic means to take down a party that leads in the polls in Germany as the alternative for Germany. | ||
| All the other political parties kind of talk about tax. | ||
| But they don't ever talk about taking the sovereignty back and fighting for German values and fighting to make sure that you don't turn into a country overwhelmed by Islam where all your other elites have kind of turned on the German people over the last decade or so to allow this. | ||
| You don't look like, you don't strike me as a radical. | ||
| I've known you for a long time. | ||
| You're one of the most religious people I know. | ||
| You're one of the nicest people I know. | ||
| You're a very sweet person, very kind-hearted. | ||
| The Washington Post makes you out as Goebbels. | ||
| What is going on here? | ||
| How can they attack a party that your basic premise is that, and particularly its strongest in the East, that was under the boot of communism for so long that people are really thirsting for freedom? | ||
| How can they say that they need to do this and they need to take the moral high ground? | ||
| They do take the moral high ground to do it because you represent the beginning of Nazism and its return to the German people, ma'am. | ||
| Yes, I think this is what we see in the Western world at the very moment. | ||
| All the Western democracies are under pressure by far left-wing extremists in joint forces with Islamists or Muslims. | ||
| And this is a very huge danger for all of us in the Western hemisphere. | ||
| And I think it has been very, very carefully and intelligently been addressed in the National Security Strategy, which we have all been reading for the past few days. | ||
| And I think this has to be pointed out. | ||
| We have to stick together and we have to fight this fight together. | ||
| It's a global fight. | ||
| not only happening in Germany, but of course for Europe, it's of center interest that AFD keeps on going and that we shift policy here because if that's without AFD, the policy will always keep on the left-wing track. | ||
| It will destroy our economy, it will destroy our culture, it will destroy our civilization in the end. | ||
| And so there's a deep need and a deep desire by the people that policy is going to a different direction. | ||
| And this is the same case. | ||
| We see that in France, we see that in the UK. | ||
| And I think we really have to push forward and to work together. | ||
| This is what we are trying. | ||
| And I think the MAGA movement is a movement which is very, of course, focused on American interest, but it's also in American interest to have this kind of MAGA movement and their allies in the Western world. | ||
| And this is why we're trying to work together. | ||
| I think that's the solution. | ||
| Beatrice, you mentioned, and Raymond's on here too. | ||
| Well, I'm going to talk to him about it. | ||
| The timing of this is perfect because the president dropped on Friday or Thursday night, Friday morning, the national security, basically the architecture, which next week they're going to lay out our military strategy around this, but the architecture. | ||
| And what was shocking is that Europe was on page 29 or 33. | ||
| It came after hemispheric defense, it came after Asia, it came after the Middle East. | ||
| And the opening paragraph, it was shocking. | ||
| It said that you're seeing civilizational erasure. | ||
| You're seeing the collapse of a civilization. | ||
| And we're not so sure in 20 or 30 years we'll even be dealing with the kind of freedoms our people have thought of from the Judeo-Christian West for so long. | ||
| It could be totally different. | ||
| I mean, it was one of the most brutal paragraphs I've ever seen about people that have been our strategic partners for so long and really implied that we've got the back and we're looking for new voices to come up and actually help take these countries back and get them back on track. | ||
| It's screened to me that Alternative for Deutschland is one of the leading parties to do that because what you're saying essentially is that we want to return sovereignty to the German people and we want to save our culture. | ||
| We want to save our civilization. | ||
| We want to save our society. | ||
| What say you, ma'am? | ||
| I think this is perfectly right. | ||
| And I think we have to play offense. | ||
| And I remember Charlie Kirk once saying there are not so many people playing offense. | ||
| He named you specifically, Steve, playing offense and some others, few others. | ||
| And playing offense in Germany is done by AFD. | ||
| We have to push for different policy agenda in all major areas. | ||
| First, migration, economy, the vogue ideology. | ||
| This is all we have to push back. | ||
| And this goes against the left ideology. | ||
| And so it's a huge fight. | ||
| And I think this has also been very clearly addressed in this national security strategy that we have to keep our force. | ||
| And this means first of all, we have to keep our culture. | ||
| We have to basically, we have to keep our faith. | ||
| And we have to stick together as Christian nations and make sure that we are not losing our identity. | ||
| And everything else comes next. | ||
| And we see this decline very, very, very hard in Germany as well. | ||
| I don't know whether you're aware of those Christmas markets, which has been under attack in Brussels. | ||
| Well, same thing just happened yesterday in Berlin. | ||
| So, you know, Syrian asylum seekers celebrating the one-year defeat of Assad in Berlin. | ||
| They fled Assad, but still they are in Berlin. | ||
| And we wonder why, because Assad is gone, so they should be going back to their home countries. | ||
| But no, they are attacking our Christmas markets. | ||
| They are celebrating it. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| Everyone can see it. | ||
| And so it's about our identity and everything else comes afterwards. | ||
| It's economy. | ||
| And then it comes to our national security. | ||
| I want to, in reading the article, and Grace and Moe, and I know the team here in Denver are pushing this out. | ||
| I want everybody to, and let's make it available so that they can get behind the paywall. | ||
| One of the things is most shocking, and we warn people every day on the show during the Biden years, but we keep saying if President Trump, if we lose the midterms or President Trump's not around, the same thing will come back to haunt us. | ||
| What's stunning about the article is the degree that the German elites in the German deep state and national security state went out of their way to infiltrate you guys. | ||
| They just couldn't let you evolve naturally. | ||
| They went after their way to destroy you, but most of the negative stuff is from informants or people they actually paid and put in to your operation. | ||
| Can you give us a second? | ||
| And what's the warning you have to people in America about this, about the way the deep state rolls? | ||
| Well, if the deep state is able to ban the biggest opposition party in Germany, that can be done everywhere else. | ||
| And the United States will lose an ally, will lose the biggest still power in Europe. | ||
| And then Europe will be failing Europe. | ||
| And so I think this is not in your interest as well. | ||
| I think we really have to focus on what is best for our people and what is best for our countries. | ||
| And this is, we have to really fight to keep our freedom and to keep our democracy. | ||
| We want to keep our democracy, basically. | ||
| And they are saying we want to overthrow democracy, which is just a lie. | ||
| That's fake news. | ||
| They know it. | ||
| And they are getting very, very nervous because what we will see next year, we will have very important regional elections in March. | ||
| And we will see AFD with a huge winning the elections coming in, maybe not first, but second, very, very strong. | ||
| And that will put even more pressure on the German government. | ||
| And as they are running out of concepts, out of ideas, they cannot take a different direction in their policy. | ||
| So the only idea they come up with is banning the opposition party. | ||
| So it really gets very, very dangerous. | ||
| And I think we have, but still a chance even to change Europe. | ||
| Because look, it's not only Germany where AFD is rising. | ||
| I'm very hopeful for France. | ||
| Marine Le Pen or Jordan Baldera, they are both leading the polls for the presidential election in France. | ||
| And our common friend, Nigel Farage, Mr. Brexit, is about to be the next prime minister for UK. | ||
| So even within Europe, there is hope. | ||
| Something can change, but we have to make sure that the deep state is not stopping it, particularly in Germany. | ||
| Last question, we got to bounce. | ||
| I know you do too. | ||
| And I want to thank you for sticking around. | ||
| If Alternative for Deutschland doesn't actually take power in the not too distant future by democratic means at the ballot box to basically set Germany on a different direction to take its civilization and culture back, how long is it, do you believe, under the current German elites, that Germany is really, the culture of Germany is gone and you really become an Islamist state, ma'am? | ||
| Well, I think it was outlined in the national security strategy that is maybe not even 20 years. | ||
| And I would say that's very optimistic that it will last so long. | ||
| We can see it everywhere in every village and every city. | ||
| Our Stadtbuild, as the Chancellor was calling it. | ||
| So walking in the streets, you can see in the city that something is changing dramatically. | ||
| And when it comes to economy, we're basically bankrupt. | ||
| They are trying to put debt on debt on debt, but we don't even know how to pay the interest for the debts we already have. | ||
| So Germany is facing a severe crisis, energy crisis, a crisis of the economy. | ||
| And this has a dramatic impact on all of the country. | ||
| Our industry is just fading away. | ||
| We're losing 10,000 jobs every month. | ||
| And so it's really getting very, very difficult. | ||
| I'm not sure if everyone here listening does believe that Germany is in such a bad shape, but I can promise you you will understand in only a few months to go. | ||
| You will realize that Germany has the biggest of all problems in Europe. | ||
| And this can only be solved by a different direction of politics. | ||
| We have to stop going to the left and we have to turn and make a right, turn to the right. | ||
| And that is only possible with AFD in government. | ||
| And when AFD will be banned, there is only, and for the future, we only have left-wing and far-left majorities in our parliaments. | ||
| You have to be very, very aware that this will happen because once AFD is banned, the people will not vote CDU. | ||
| And CDU is always going into coalition with the left and the far left. | ||
| And this is what's upcoming. | ||
| And this will have a very bad impact, a huge impact on all of Europe. | ||
| And then on NATO. | ||
| So we should take that very seriously. | ||
| We do take it very seriously. | ||
| We cover you guys a lot. | ||
| We talk about the German economy, particularly energy. | ||
| These are all self-imposed problems the German elite brought on the German people. | ||
| Beatrice, what's your social media? | ||
| Where do they go to find out more about alternative for Deutschland? | ||
| They can find me under my name, Beatrix von Stroich, basically everywhere on X, on Instagram, on Facebook. | ||
| Just look for my name. | ||
| Beatrice, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| Very, very, very illuminating. | ||
| Thank you, ma'am. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Appreciate everybody. | ||
| Everybody AFD. | ||
| The war room's always got their back, and we're always a platform for you. | ||
| We love you guys. | ||
| Real heroes. | ||
| Raymond. | ||
| Sir, by the way, this is why you can't do a deal with Ukraine and include Germany. | ||
| I mean, the national security, Raymond, when he came in on Thursday night, I said, we got Raymond on. | ||
| It's like Raymond wrote this. | ||
| Sir, you've seen the strategy paper of President Trump when he talks about Western Europe, the erasure of their civilization in 20 years. | ||
| One of the senior people in AFD just agreed that this, the collapse and maybe turn in. | ||
| She said, hey, it's optimistic 20 years if we don't come to power. | ||
| You've spent your professional life writing these three series of books over the last, what, eight, nine, 10 years that talk about when the West has had to confront this before and the West won, but it has to be confronted. | ||
| Talk to me about this period of time. | ||
| Go back to your books, but as you drop your third book in the series here in the Christmas season, the president of the United States lays out a strategy that essentially says everything that you've been telling your audience is absolutely 100% true in modern times, sir. | ||
| That's right, Steve. | ||
| You know, listening to Beatrix right now, it's just amazing because as I think of the past and what I write about in the history that we will be discussing, it's just hard to overlook the fact that the fundamental problem, the big difference now is that the West is doing everything to enable and empower its enemies, including domestically bringing them in to terrorize them, because that's the fundamental difference when you look at the past and the present. | ||
| Islam has not changed. | ||
| The Muslim modus operandi has not changed. | ||
| It's always been consistent. | ||
| It's always been upfront and open, and it's been about conquest. | ||
| And so when you look at the history, that's which we'll talk about, you'll see that. | ||
| But the difference is back then, everyone in Europe, you know, from the warrior monk Christians to the most secularized whoever politician in that context, all understood the danger, all stood collectively against it, all fought against it. | ||
| And this is at a time when Islam was actually very powerful compared vis-a-vis to Europe. | ||
| And then you fast forward to our times and Islam is inherently weak, okay, but Western powers are empowering it, bringing it into their countries, making sure nobody can say anything against it, imprisoning their own native populations because they speak up or complain because they're being terrorized and just do everything possible. | ||
| So I think it's just amazing and mind-boggling to see how different things are. | ||
| The consistency of Islam on the one hand, the continuity, and then on the other hand, the Western sort of suicidal response that has gone from standing up and fighting and doing what needs to be done to actually confronting a much weaker Islam, but still being terrorized by it because you're allowing it to terrorize your people. | ||
| So that's, you know, that's, I think we have to start there. | ||
| That's the first premise, really. | ||
| I want to go through the arc of the, and this is third in the series. | ||
| Sword and scimitar is the first and lays out the whole thing of the combative nature. | ||
| Then you actually take examples, defenders of the West, you actually take biographical of men who really stood in the breach at critical times in the big battles and what happened. | ||
| And now you're actually going and taking the warrior monks, these two, the Templars and the St. John hospitalers that really fought in the middle of this. | ||
| Why don't we just do the arc of it? | ||
| What were the three books and what ties them together? | ||
| And why did you write them in this series? | ||
| Sure, Steve. | ||
| The first one, like you said, Sword and Scimitar came out in 2018. | ||
| And that one was really a continuation of my academic studies back in the day under Victor Davis Hansen, you know, in the early late 90s. | ||
| My master's thesis was actually the first battle between Islam and the West, the Battle of Yarmouk, which formed chapter One of Sword and Scimitar, but I've always been interested in, you know, we've all grown up in the modern era hearing about the great, you know, the advancement of Islam and Andalusia and how backwards the West was and etc., etc. | ||
| So I've always been very much interested in studying the actual military history. | ||
| And then you lo and behold, you find out that is what dominates the real history between and the interactions between Islam and the West or Christendom at the time. | ||
| And so Sword and Scimitar, what I wanted to do is really look at all the decisive battles that have completely changed the face of the globe, especially the old world east of the Atlantic, that maybe many people are unaware of due to all the entrenched narratives that academia foists on people, which is why everyone who reads starting with Sword and Simitar, the first response is, oh, I thought I was educated. | ||
| I thought I had a degree in history and I didn't know any of this. | ||
| Okay, so you come to learn, for example, that in the seventh century, Islam explodes and conquers essentially three quarters of Christendom. | ||
| You know, what we now today glibly refer to as the heart of the Islamic world from the Middle East, you know, from Morocco all the way to Iraq, North Africa in the Middle East, and later Turkey or Anatolia. | ||
| All of that, of course, was the heart of the Christian world and it was violently annexed in one century after the death of Muhammad and until 732. | ||
| Now they're in France at the Battle of Tours. | ||
| So I think I showed how persistent Islam was. | ||
| I have a nice important quote from Hilaire Bellak, 19th century, died in 20th century historian, very insightful, who basically says Islam is our most persistent and formidable enemy and may explode at any time. | ||
| And he wrote that, I think, around 1928, when Islam was at its nadir, it was absolute weakest vis-a-vis the West at the time. | ||
| This is the colonial era. | ||
| And, you know, he predicted it. | ||
| And lo and behold, here it is again, right? | ||
| Islam has exploded. | ||
| So that was the purpose of the sword and scimitar. | ||
| And it really went century after century. | ||
| You know, and what's interesting to me, and what I think the book shows is the unwavering continuity of hostility. | ||
| And so you see from the very first chapter, the Battle of Yarmouk in 636 AD, the rationale that the Muslims gave to the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantines during that battle was you're an infidel. | ||
| Our Quran says to fight you, enslave you, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| I give you the three options: convert, fight, or die. | ||
| And you fast forward, the last real battle I cover is the First Barbary War and the Second, right around 1800 to 1815. | ||
| And you find the same exact rationale at work. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson, you know, this great luminary, enlightenment luminary who didn't really understand Islam. | ||
| You know, the Muslims of Barbary, North Africa, had now been attacking American sailor vessels, enslaving American soldiers. | ||
| And so Jefferson and Adams, John Adams, met with the ambassador from, I believe, Tripoli, Abdul something. | ||
| It's in my book. | ||
| And they asked him, why are you attacking us? | ||
| Why don't we get along? | ||
| Why don't we trade? | ||
| etc. | ||
| And this guy in Thomas's Jefferson's extant letter we still have to Congress, he explains how this man told him, you know what, it's in our Quran. | ||
| Our God, our prophet, tell us you're the enemy. | ||
| We have to attack you. | ||
| We have to plunder you and enslave you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And of course, Thomas Jefferson didn't get that at the time. | ||
| But so I just, I think that's the lesson of sword and scimitar, which is how unwavering this violence has been. | ||
| It's never stopped. | ||
| It's always blown up in certain areas at certain times. | ||
| There were the Arab conquests, then you had what happened in Spain, which was a microcosm of jihad and crusade or reconquista. | ||
| Then you have the Holy Land, which people are familiar with, but it really goes much more than that. | ||
| You have the Ottomans and the Seljuks, and then you have the Tatars or the Mongols who became Islamic and conquered Russia and the Eastern Slavic nations. | ||
| And the whole nine yards of Islamic persecution of Christians is evident in that chapter as well. | ||
| Slave raids all the way up into Ireland and Scandinavia and having an actual base off of England where they would raid and bring slaves back to North Africa. | ||
| So it's a very deep history that most people are unaware of for political reasons, obviously. | ||
| And that's, yeah, so that was the whole purpose of Sword and Scimitar. | ||
| But before I continue with the other books, I'll leave it there. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Let's go to, let's go to, that's perfect. | ||
| Let's go to then Defenders of the West. | ||
| You go back and you highlight the personages in the West that have actually stood in the breach and say no. | ||
| And some of them are tragic stories, some heroic stories. | ||
| Tell me about Defenders of the West. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So Defenders of the West, that's the next one. | ||
| The follow-up came out in 2022. | ||
| And as I say in that book, whereas Sword and Scimitar, what I did is focused on eight decisive battles that really changed the face of the old world. | ||
| In Defenders of the West, I looked at eight decisive men. | ||
| And so the lesson really, I cover the same terrain more or less, but now it's through the eyes and the lives of various heroes, military Christian heroes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And, you know, the first one is Godfrey in chapter one of the First Crusade. | ||
| And we go all the way down to Vlad the Impaler, which is a shocker to most people that Count Dracula is actually a Christian hero. | ||
| But if you look again in the sources, that's exactly how he comes off. | ||
| And that was his interest, is defending his people against Islamic aggression. | ||
| So the whole point, I think, in Defenders of the West, and a lot of people like it, is I think it's a little more, whereas Sword and Scimitar is more factual and you'll get the grand overlay. | ||
| Defenders of the West is now more particular and it's more biographical. | ||
| So it's eight chapters, mini chapters of these various heroes and defenders and warriors and how they actually approach the Islamic menace. | ||
| And I think it's very, and this one really underscores the difference between what you just heard from Beatrice in Germany and whatnot, and what's what how historically Christians and Europeans responded to this menace. | ||
| Okay, they got it. | ||
| They got it and these heroes got it. | ||
| They stood in the breach. | ||
| We got a minute before we go to break. | ||
| The third book in the series talks about the military orders or the monks that fought back. | ||
| And tell me about Two Swords. | ||
| So the Two Swords of Christ, that's a new book that just came out. | ||
| And it's similar to both books in the sense that it's a long history like Sword and Scimitar of the fight between Christendom and Islam. | ||
| And it's similar to Defenders of the West because it's really zeroes in on the heroic aspect. | ||
| But now it's not individuals. | ||
| It's actually this collective organization of monks, military orders. | ||
| And really, they're much different in a way than the Defenders of the West characters because they're very anonymous. | ||
| You know, they're very modest. | ||
| They're essentially commando forces. | ||
| They were the backbone of the Crusades. | ||
| And what's interesting about them is the way they wed militancy with piety, which is so, and I think that's the most interesting aspect of the book, to understand how Christians back then could actually be, the more pious they were, the more militant they were. | ||
| So that's the new book. | ||
| And we can talk some more about after we break. | ||
| Hang on, we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| I love these books. | ||
| And particularly, you've been trained. | ||
| You've been conditioned that it was nothing but evil that fought Islam. | ||
| Nothing could be farther from the truth. | ||
| Heroes of your faith for millennia, what? | ||
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| I had a piece up there this morning about the Orthodox Russian, the Orthodox Christian, Byzantine, and then the Western Church. | ||
| Maybe we could come together to fight the Islamist, the secularist, the atheist, the Marxist, the transhumanist. | ||
| It's quite a collection of enemies. | ||
| The ancient enemy since I guess six or seven hundred has been Islam. | ||
| First off, how are the books? | ||
| How are the books? | ||
| How are the books doing, Raymond? | ||
| They're doing very well. | ||
| I've been the best I can do is look at Amazon. | ||
| And more or less, if you look at especially early Christian history, they pretty much dominate the first three, the free best-selling spots. | ||
| So last I looked, Two Swords of Christ was number one. | ||
| I think Defenders was number two. | ||
| And okay, yeah, that's probably the most recent one. | ||
| And Sword and Scimitar is number four. | ||
| But they keep fluctuating. | ||
| But Two Swords of Christ has been at number one since basically came actually before it came out, which is great. | ||
| I think, you know, the appeal of the Two Swords of Christ is you're just, it's not just the history, but it's the an explanation of the theological underpinning of Christian militancy, which I think is a very important topic that a lot of people prefer not to. | ||
| Tell me about it because you would think today monks, you know, you hear about Saint Francis of Assisi and you hear about this really these passive, very powerful spiritual warriors, but it wasn't the church militant. | ||
| Tell me about today because you have a rise, particularly this younger generation of men that are saying, hey, look, I'm a Christian, but I'm not going to be passive about it. | ||
| I'm going to be militant about it. | ||
| What are these two monastic orders? | ||
| Tell us about that, sir. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I'll just start off by saying even people like Francis of Assisi, who are so widely seen as being passive, he was actually fully on board with the Crusades. | ||
| And I talk a little bit about it in the Two Swords of Christ because he figures in there. | ||
| And his goals was one of the main goals was actually instead of killing and fighting with Muslims, let's try to convert them. | ||
| And, you know, he risked his life on numerous occasions, but he was fully on board with the idea of a military order and a monk who fights war. | ||
| And so I think the issue, you know, Steve, I've been giving this much thought, but what's going on now, I think, with Western Christianity, and I think this is the inherent problem, is that no matter what Christians say, they're all in the end, despite themselves, they're materialists. | ||
| And what I mean by that is they've lost the metaphysical understanding of theology and morality. | ||
| And so everything is distilled in a materialist point of view, just like an atheist, which is my way of saying that they think all that, you know, what is good and evil is based on the material. | ||
| Therefore, the worst thing a Christian can do is physically hurt someone because it's the material. | ||
| We acknowledge that. | ||
| But things like morality, because they're metaphysical and they've become, this is why you have all these Christians saying, oh, you know, don't judge. | ||
| Oh, you know, love is love and all that sort of thing. | ||
| So, I think when you look at the world through a materialist lens, like a lot of Christians do, violence and killing become the absolute greatest sin. | ||
| That's not how earlier Christians seen it because they actually were Christians and they actually accepted in the metaphysical, that which is beyond the physical, as even more important. | ||
| Okay, so things like morality was much more important than physical harm. | ||
| So, I think that's why one of the reasons modern day Christians can't understand how can you fight back? | ||
| How can you kill, et cetera? | ||
| But when you look in the book and you see the logic and the rationale by people like Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, and they quote it, and it's all scriptural too, and that's the point. | ||
| This isn't made up. | ||
| We can go back in the title of the book, The Two Swords of Christ, was a pivotal theme that goes back to the verse in Luke where Christ says, you know, sell your garment, buy a sword. | ||
| And they say, Look, Lord, here are two swords. | ||
| And he says, That's enough. | ||
| So, how that was understood then was that Christ was saying one sword against spiritual evil, which modern day Christians, I think, still understand, but also a secular sword against physical evil to protect the innocent, to protect the poor, to protect the orphan and the widow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, that was actually seen as a good thing. | ||
| And as you know, there's so much we can talk about just war theory that's completely embedded, both Old and New Testament. | ||
| Okay, so no one back then had a problem. | ||
| But I think today, as you were saying, one of the big issues is, you know, this sort of passivity, turn the other cheek, which I call doormat Christianity, has been so popularized that every Christian thinks this is real Christianity. | ||
| This is the only form of Christianity, which is for me to do nothing but to be a doormat. | ||
| I can never ever judge. | ||
| I can never say this is wrong behavior. | ||
| I just have to shut up and take it. | ||
| And that, I mean, that is the greatest bloop. | ||
| If I'm an enemy of Christianity, that's the smartest thing I could get Christians to believe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they are. | ||
| And a lot of, as you were also indicating, a lot of young men find this distasteful. | ||
| And it's not, it's, I always hear, you know, churches, men are leaving churches. | ||
| Well, there's a reason because the message that's actually, this message, this doormat Christianity doesn't resonate with our nature, which God gave us, which is to defend, you know, to defend the innocent and the victims and the poor and fight back. | ||
| So this sort of emasculation of Christianity, which completely works in tandem with the enemy, who, and I speak in the abstract, of course, I think that's all by design. | ||
| It's all intentional. | ||
| It has no resonance. | ||
| It doesn't resonate with historical Christianity. | ||
| Of course, there was mercy and love and forgiveness. | ||
| And I'm not talking about that, but I'm talking on a social order level. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There has to be justice. | ||
| There has to be retribution. | ||
| And violence is not the end all. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So Christians need to understand that the number one commandment is not that you won't physically hurt someone. | ||
| Morality was much more important. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And preserving morality than physically harming someone. | ||
| So I think Christians need to get over being so materialists like atheists. | ||
| I want to go through Islam when it came roaring out of Saudi Arabia, the peninsula, it overtook the ancient Persian empire, Zoroastrian Persia. | ||
| It overtook Egypt, arguably maybe our oldest civilization. | ||
| It overtook the Babylonian in Iraq, the civilization, North Africa. | ||
| And of course, Christianity, the desert church, we were a desert religion. | ||
| We came out of the desert. | ||
| It overtook the Christians in Egypt. | ||
| It overtook Syria, overtook Turkey, where the church was actually quite strong then. | ||
| The reaction, the crusades to come back, these two military orders, give me the origin of these military orders. | ||
| I don't want to give away the whole book because I want people to buy this in droves. | ||
| Particularly, all three of these books you should get for yourself to learn, but particularly Defenders of the West and the two swords of Christ for young men. | ||
| If you have young men in your family and you're looking to get them something for Christmas, don't get them a video game. | ||
| Don't get them some piece of telecommunication that they use. | ||
| Don't get them software. | ||
| Get them these two books. | ||
| I'll guarantee you, you'll be shocked with young men you know very well that you say, well, they don't read anything. | ||
| They'll read these books because these books are about Christian militant warrior heroes. | ||
| Talk to me about, given that Islam had come and it just blown through and is about to go to Europe, right? | ||
| That started the Crusades to take the Holy Land back. | ||
| Why did these two military orders, why were they essential to that? | ||
| How did they actually spring up? | ||
| Yeah, Steve. | ||
| So, and that's the important point, which is why these books are also important. | ||
| I think a lot of people, when you talk about history of Islam in Europe, in their mind, it always starts with the Crusades, which means they're always fed a false narrative that's presented in a vacuum. | ||
| The Crusades started in 1095. | ||
| What I'm talking about initially started in 636. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And, you know, this is when I was talking about the complete ransacking of Christendom and the conquest of three quarters of it. | ||
| And a lot, lots of, you know, in one year alone, in the year 1009, an Egyptian caliph, according to Muslim sources, and people always argue with me, oh, that's no, it's in the Arabic, okay, and it's well known. | ||
| He supposedly destroyed 30,000 churches, which again underscores how Christian the Middle East was. | ||
| He destroyed them in Egypt and Greater Syria. | ||
| So basically the Middle East. | ||
| And he also raised to the ground the Holy Sepulchre, the original one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And this is before the Crusades. | ||
| So, you know, and then, and unfortunately, we get people like John Esposito, professor at Georgetown. | ||
| I've quoted this quote that he's written in one of his books, I think Islam the Straight Path, so many times I've memorized it. | ||
| And he literally says, five centuries of peaceful coexistence between Muslims and Christians elapsed before an imperial papal power play led to centuries of so-called holy centuries of so-called holy wars that have left a legacy of misunderstanding and distrust. | ||
| In other words, before 1095, the First Crusade, this is the narrative now by the academics, so many of them, and Hollywood, of course, is everything was fine. | ||
| Muslims and Christians were living in peace, you know, when they were when Muslims conquered three quarters of the Christian world, as I was saying. | ||
| That was a time of peace until the popes and the papal power play ruined it all. | ||
| So that is the narrative. | ||
| And that's why I think it's very important to understand what led up the centuries that led up to the crusades, which was, as Bernard Lewis even put it pretty well, he said the first crusade was a belated response to centuries of Islamic aggression. | ||
| Now, the military orders come into being right after the first crusade. | ||
| What happened is they've now, the crusaders have liberated Jerusalem and a few other Christian cities along the coast of the, you know, in what was called then greater Syria, but today in modern day Israel and also Lebanon and regions like that in Jordan, they had various cities under control. | ||
| But the problem was now that pilgrims were coming in droves, these were still islands surrounded by an Islamic sea because they were just literally outposts in the Islamic world right now. | ||
| And so whenever pilgrims would come, they would get savaged, killed, raped, mauled. | ||
| And so a small group of knights decided they're going to commit their lives to just defending these pilgrims. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they were nine for the longest time, for almost nine years, according to William of Tyr or Tyre. | ||
| And they essentially, and they were so appreciated by the king, King Baldwin II, that he actually gave them residence in what was believed to be Solomon's Temple, which is Al-Aqsa Mosque. | ||
| And so they became known as the Knights of the Temple or the Templars. | ||
| And their entire life was about just protecting pilgrims from Muslims who would raid and attack them. | ||
| And again, what's interesting about them is you read the theological justification for what they were doing. | ||
| And it comes out in so you know, so many biblical verses that are cited that make perfect sense. | ||
| They would, you know, verses such as, you know, no greater love does a man have than to lay down his life for his fellow man, which, of course, is often understood in Christ's sacrifice. | ||
| But that's sort of what they were doing too, right? | ||
| They were following in his footsteps and they were actually putting their life on the line to protect their fellow brethren, fellow Christians who are coming to pilgrimage, which was a very important thing. | ||
| And then the second group, the Knights of the Hospital, were actually older, but they weren't militarized. | ||
| The first military organization or military order are the Templars, but the Knights of the Hospital were actually, or the hospitalers at the time, these were just hospice workers. | ||
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| And they actually had a small hospice in Jerusalem. | ||
| So when pilgrims would come, they would give them refreshment, they would give them beds and take care of their medical needs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So they were very meek. | ||
| And the verses that actuated them were the ones about, they would actually have prayers about our Lords of the sick, because Christ said, if you do this to the least of me, you're doing it for me. | ||
| But then they realized before long that, you know, what's the point of letting these pilgrims come get attacked and hurt? | ||
| And then we have to try to heal them and take care of them. | ||
| Why don't we preempt it? | ||
| So they too became militarized and realized that, well, let's nip it in the bud. | ||
| Instead of waiting for them to get attacked and killed, we will also defend them and we will fight back. | ||
| So they functioned very much like the Templars as well, as protectors of Christians. | ||
| I want to ask you, as people, you know, thinking about the holiday season, getting gifts, what is the most important thing you think people can get from reading your third book, The Two Swords of Christ? | ||
| And who was your target and who is your target audience? | ||
| Sir, the most important thing I think people will get is they'll, you know, first of all, it's a long, very interesting history. | ||
| So it's, you know, as I always say, when you look at these histories that I write about, they're much more engaging and dramatic than what Hollywood serves up. | ||
| The only difference is they're real. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I think the history itself is going to be very engaging. | ||
| But I think what they'll ultimately get is this, you know, is this idea of doormat Christianity, which I think is so embedded in our psyche that this is the only real kind of Christianity. | ||
| I think this will pleasantly challenge so many people to see that, no, I don't have to always be a doormat, that there is room. | ||
| In fact, it's advocated by the Lord Himself to defend and fight and do what's right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Jesus Himself is the one who engaged in violence with a whip of cord. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, you know, violence is not off the table. | ||
| It's not the end-all, the worst sin. | ||
| Again, this is a materialist point of view. | ||
| So I think they will very much be refreshed and edified by the way the theology was understood. | ||
| And again, this wasn't an aberrant theology. | ||
| This was widely understood back then, but it's disappeared. | ||
| And nowadays for a reason. | ||
| And the audience I wrote of, I wrote it for, I generally always write these books for a general audience, but I do believe younger men are really going to be the ones who profit the most from especially the two swords of Christ, very much like they would from Defenders of the West. | ||
| And just a quick note about because people always ask me this. | ||
| They say, are they all connected? | ||
| Do I have to start with the first book? | ||
| So the answer is no. | ||
| I didn't write them in the sense that if you don't read the first one, the second one won't make sense. | ||
| But all things being equal, if someone does want to read them all, I would start with Sword and Scimitar because it's the most general and it sort of kind of gives you the lay of the land, whereas the other ones, Defenders of the West and Two Swords, are a little more specific, but you still don't have to start with Sword and Scimitar. | ||
| You can start with either one. | ||
| I wrote them so they're self-contained books. | ||
| The reason that I'm so enthusiastic, but look, I love all of them. | ||
| And I tell people, if you want to see what the country is really up against and our republics are up against our civilization, this gives you such a depth of knowledge. | ||
| And I think the Hilar Bellock quote is so amazing because that really was the nader. | ||
| That was right after they had just started to get assembled. | ||
| The Ottoman Empire collapsed, they had the Arab revolt, Lawrence of Arabia. | ||
| Jerusalem was free. | ||
| Damascus was free finally from the grip of the Ottoman Turks. | ||
| But Islam was not, you know, it was the rest of the 20th century is really very secularized until the rise of political Islam or Islamism. | ||
| And it just shows you it never goes away. | ||
| It's always a colonel there, and it's quite dangerous. | ||
| And it's very dangerous to the West. | ||
| And today, that's why it's so important, these books, for young men, to realize that there is a history of heroes here that have stepped in the breach and defended the West over, you know, 14, 1,500 years, and that you are a part of this lineage. | ||
| And if you read these stories, you can't help but be inspired. | ||
| What's so powerful about the military orders, which has always been kind of an obsession of mine since I was a young kid, is that you're right, it has this humility and piety and really religiosity and spiritualism on top of being the level of badasses of like Army Special Forces, Navy SEALs. | ||
| I mean, these guys in the Crusades with the Army of the Crusades, the First Crusade was a world historical event. | ||
| It changed Europe. | ||
| It changed civilization. | ||
| And I can't tell you how much you get this reading your first book, how much it absorbed the world and absorbed Christianity. | ||
| Coming out of that, these two institutions were really what was the connective tissue for also the other crusades. | ||
| Because the other crusade, you know, there were seven, I think seven crusades from them, all of them not successful. | ||
| But these military orders kind of hung in there. | ||
| And it's just an amazing story. | ||
| I think we'll be for the audience, especially if you have a young man in your life, you think, hey, he's not focused. | ||
| He doesn't go to church anymore. | ||
| He just seems to kind of drifting. | ||
| Young men have a certain energy to them, a certain searching for a purpose, searching for a task. | ||
| And that's why I think if you get these books in their hands, you're going to see a change of, I think you'll see a change of attitude a lot. | ||
| They'll say, hey, there's something out there greater than me just sitting around playing video games. | ||
| I see that people that came before me had this task and purpose, and that's why I recommend it. | ||
| We got to bounce. | ||
| I'm going to have you back on. | ||
| I want to have more of your thoughts this week about President Trump's amazing strategic, because it sounded like you were an advisor on it, the section, the section in the Middle East, and particularly the section in Europe and the Fall of Europe, which you've warned people about. | ||
| Where do people go now, though, to get the books, to particularly get to know more about you? | ||
| Social media, but particularly your website, because you're a fascinating character. | ||
| You studied under Victor Davis Hansen, which is obviously our audience loves. | ||
| Where do people go, Raymond? | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| The best place, you can go to my website, raymondibrahim.com, R-A-Y-M-O-N-D-I-B-R-A-H-I-M. | ||
| And also my YouTube channel. | ||
| I have a new YouTube channel, which I guess just put my name in. | ||
| I think it comes out. | ||
| Yeah, there it is, the Holy War channel. | ||
| And speaking of Victor, whoever wants to see, I actually just, he did an interview with me about the Two Swords of Christ, I think, last week, and it's up there. | ||
| And anyone can see it. | ||
| As far as the books, I have links to all of them to Amazon, so you can get them there. | ||
| And also, if you want a signed copy by yours truly, you can get it on my website as well. | ||
| And like you said, Steve, I do think these books, especially the last two and two swords of Christ, will be very, very helpful and edifying for young men who are dissatisfied with the current state of the church. | ||
| Oh, no, definitely. | ||
| Let's make these number one bestsellers. | ||
| Raymond, look forward to having you on back later in the week. | ||
| Thanks for taking so much time today or for us to explain. | ||
| Appreciate you, sir. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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