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Nov. 15, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4930: Visions Of Hemispheric Defense And What That Means With Venezuela
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brandon weichert
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steve bannon
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ben harnwell
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bradley thayer
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jack posobiec
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tej gill
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jake tapper
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steve bannon
Saturday, 15 November, Year of Our Lord 2025.
I've got up now.
Elizabeth has gotten up for me.
I think she's got up on Getter.
I just approved.
It's a story from Reuters about Scott Besson giving an interview, I believe it is, and talking about the Treasury Department made a lot of money on this swap deal they did in Argentina.
The concept, and we'll get into more of this next week, of moral hazard is something that, because you're going to get this on AI and all of it, moral hazard, this concept.
We'll drill down more of it next week.
I think it's more than a philosophical.
It's also kind of a practical financial decision.
We'll get into that.
Ben Harnow, you're going to look at this article.
Pozo's on a train.
They're heading up.
Benny Johnson and Pesobic are going to go to this UFC fight tonight.
They're taking 3,000 Charlie Kirk, the Turning Point USA, those magnificent freedom t-shirts up there to share.
So it's going to be quite an event.
I'm sure we're going to get tons of footage.
We're going to get Pozo in a moment.
He's on, I think, the Acela heading to New York City from the Washington, D.C. area.
We'll get to him in a moment.
Brandon Weickert, Brandon, your books, you've got a magnificent book on biohacking.
You've got a great book on the Moodlas in Iran and the whole Persian situation space.
I tell people, if you want a practical book on a topic of geopolitics, I think you're one of the best writers out there because you don't put a lot of flourish to it.
You just get right to the facts and you lay it out.
I wanted to get you on this morning because I know you've been very interested.
We've been talking now for months that you're very interested in focus on what I would call the Monroe Doctrine 2.0 or President Trump's historic pivot to hemispheric defense.
brandon weichert
Yes.
steve bannon
Now, walk me through the architecture of that pivot, why it's important to the America First and MAGA movement, and then we're going to drill down on the details about Venezuela because I know you've got not concerns, but I think you've got a very practical way of looking at that.
We got Bradley Thayer's got a little different take on it, but we're going to get some different opinions this morning.
Brandon Weichert, the floor is yours, sir.
brandon weichert
Well, thank you, Steve, as always, for having me.
It's a pleasure to be here.
The repositioning of the U.S. grand strategy.
This is something that Trump is masterminding with his team, including Heg Seth and Bridge Colby, who's one of the bright stars in my opinion, which is why they're trying to take Bridge out.
But they have basically, since the summer, been working on a new national security strategy that would reorient our forces away from focusing on European area of command, the Middle East, even the Indo-PACOM area, to prioritizing Western hemispheric defense.
The administration has been talking about actually getting rid of AFRICOM.
There was one conversation that happened over the summer about that and merging it with UCOM, which is European Command, and then deprioritizing CENTCOM so that we can send those resources to Northern and Southern Command.
Those are the areas.
And the reason is because the post-Cold War unipolar era of America running the world has been over for a while now.
It's just we didn't get the memo.
And so Trump has recognized this, and he's reprioritizing our base.
That is our hemisphere, the way that Russia's prioritizing their hemisphere, the way that the Chinese are prioritizing their hemisphere, because the world is now tripolar.
It is three powers that are competing with many other powers rising behind it.
And if you don't secure your own home front, that includes Latin America, South America, and the polar regions, you don't have security at all.
And right now, the Chinese are crawling all over South America.
You talked about Argentina.
I had on my show last night, national security talk on Rumble, Dr. Elizabeth Buchanan, who is the leading, she's a good friend, she's the leading expert on the polar regions.
She's down in Australia.
And she was talking about how the Chinese in Antarctica have basically taken over Antarctica and they're building an archipelago of islands into Argentina.
Argentina's ports have been conquered by the Chinese.
They're civilian ports.
We let it happen over the last decade.
And they basically have been encroaching on our hemisphere through not only traditional means, but also from the South Pole.
People don't think about this.
So bailing out Milai, while I'm a higher tax bracket, I don't like giving anybody money.
But ultimately, this was a smart move because we're bailing out Argentina and we're making sure a Marxist doesn't take over there, the kind of Marxists who've been taking over.
steve bannon
Well, as long as, hang on, as long as we get a situation on the soybeans and the beef and the ports, the CCP is out.
That is, I'm hearing that's going on, but that's got when he says strategic, that's going to happen.
While you're on that topic, this is a guy in Canada.
What President Trump's argument to Canada is, and they just kind of blew it off, but when he talks about defense, what he's making the point on the Arctic is that Canada is kind of like Ukraine, right?
The Chinese and the Russians are up there and they see the undefended northern territories of Canada.
They're going to take a bite.
The Canadians got to understand something.
brandon weichert
They already are.
steve bannon
Here's the deal.
They're going to intrude in your territory and they're going to dare you to do anything about it.
And here's the deal.
brandon weichert
We're getting Alberta is the lynchpin.
So when Trump says Canada is going to be the 51st state, he's speaking, you know, he's vamping.
He's having a little fun.
But what he's really saying, because I know a lot of the guys in charge of the Albertan separatist movement or their prosperity movement, Alberta, they've already met twice now with the State Department.
The Albertans are ready to vote in the next six months.
They're getting out of the Canadian Union.
They're going to become an independent state, independent country.
We're going to recognize them, and that's going to put them on the pathway to becoming the 51st state.
And here's why that's important.
Alberta has a bevy of untapped rare earth minerals.
They have the world's largest geothermal energy sources.
They have some of the world's largest natural gas and oil deposits.
So when Trump says Canada is becoming the 50s first state, he's really talking about Alberta.
And that's important because that's a gateway to the Arctic.
Greenland is another gateway to the Arctic.
So when we talk about hemispheric defense, we're not just talking about Latin America.
We're talking about the polar regions too, Steve, and how they all link together.
steve bannon
How, give me your thoughts on right now, we have our most sophisticated carrier with its, but not a full strike for us, but enough to get your attention, plus an amphibious ready group with, I think, 3,000 fleet Marines and 1,000 sailors off of Venezuela.
And so far, we shot up some speedboats with drugs coming up, and we've taken them out.
But the briefings on Capitol Hill are much deeper than this, right?
They're edging up right to the War Powers Act and to make sure that there's not going to be any hang-ups.
As you see it right now, strategically, what is going on with President Trump and his thinking on Venezuela?
brandon weichert
Well, it's very interesting.
You know, President Trump is the deal maker in chief, and everywhere you look, he's cutting deals.
He was offered a deal going into Labor Day weekend.
I know, because I know one of the men who was the intermediary for the negotiations.
He was offered a deal that basically Maduro said, if you give me a boatload of money and an exit visa to my country of choice, I will leave and give you exclusive access to the rare earth mineral deposits, the natural gas, the oil of Venezuela.
Just don't kill me.
Trump said, no, he said, I'm not going to take that deal.
I'm going to put a force off your coast.
I think Trump is trying to take Maduro out.
And I think this has to do with the 2020 election.
I talked to a guy named Ralph Pizzullo, who has a book called The Stolen Election Out.
And he is convinced that Trump believes that SmartMatic was a Venezuelan company and that they rigged the 2020 election.
So this very well could be Trump a revenge play.
He wants to also assert our dominance in the region, but he's going to take out Maduro for what he thinks was the great 2020 steal.
steve bannon
Hang on.
You used a very interesting term, and it's the first time I've heard it regarding hemispheric defense.
You used the term dominance.
Walk me through that.
President Trump, full-spectrum energy dominance is the basis of the turnaround of the American economy.
brandon weichert
That's right.
steve bannon
Okay.
brandon weichert
That's right.
steve bannon
When President Trump is looking at this, and this is why Bridge Colby, Bridge Colby, who says, hey, we've got to compete in East Asia.
We have to make sure that we stop the CCP threat.
We've got to use the Central Pacific as our pivot.
But he's a hemisphere guy.
Politico, I don't know if my team has it.
Politico has a story that they're coming for the scalp.
The neocons are coming for the scalp of Bridge Colby.
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They think that's because they want to put Tom Cotton in the Secretary of Defense's position.
brandon weichert
They want to put Tom Cotton Cotton in.
steve bannon
They have Dan, two great Secretary of the Army, Dan Driscoll and Bridge Colby, think like the war room and think like the America First Movement.
We got to be strong.
In fact, we got to be super strong, but we're not interventionists unless there's some emergency that has to be intervened.
Colby and Driscoll are coming up with strategies that the neocons are going crazy.
They want to insert Tom Cotton into, or Tom Cotton, or a Lindsey Graham-type person that's, you know, all wars all the time everywhere, particularly on the Eurasian landmass.
They want to double and triple down in Ukraine and in the Middle East.
They want to take down.
They want to be in Tehran.
They want to be in Kiev, right?
Fighting the Russians, fighting the Mulas, all of it.
And they're bound and determined to turf Bridge Colby out.
So that's your assessment.
What President Trump, this term, focus on the term dominance.
When he looks at hemispheric defense, this is Trumpian.
He's looking for dominance in the Western hemisphere, sir.
brandon weichert
It's 100% correct.
If you listen to what he's been saying since he was elected, whether it's about Canada, Greenland, or the Panama Canal, and in the case of Venezuela and in Colombia, this is also about getting our people in a position where we can basically put the squeeze on Panama so we can finally get the Panamanians to agree to give us back the canal so we can kick the Chinese out because the Chinese have basically taken over the canal zone.
And so when we talk about dominance, what we're really talking about is controlling the choke points in our hemisphere, Panama Canal being the big one.
But we also want to control the Caribbean Sea basin.
We also, like I said, want to have access to the South Pole through Argentina.
We want to rebuff China's advances through that region.
And we want to control the Greenland access as well.
So what we're talking about is a hemispheric defense, hemispheric dominance strategy where we control the major arteries of the region, of the entire hemisphere, north to south, and everything in between.
And so Trump is focusing so far on these big arteries that we can control and go from there.
Because if we don't build the foundation in our own hemisphere, there's no competing with China.
Look, China has already taken the first island chain, basically.
They're already meddling in the second island chain.
Like I said, I talked to Dr. Buchanan.
steve bannon
Hold it.
Hang on.
Hang on, man.
You're in the anti-hangover sector before we get to the island chains.
Okay, sorry.
Some people are going to say, hey, look, I love the way you started about the Islamic problem in Texas and in New York City.
You had me there, but now you got, and I would love to kill the, you know, stop the cartels and the fentanyl coming through the southern border.
But when you say America first, the vision you're laying out is much broader than that.
It goes literally from the Antarctic in Argentina and that horrific sea pass that you get from the Atlantic to the Pacific, still the most horrible in the world, all the way up to the Arctic Circle in Canada.
You got the Pacific, you know, the big, the pivot in the Pacific.
You're biting off a lot that doesn't feel America first.
Give me the argument why, your argument, and many in the Trump administration said, no, you're wrong.
This is America First.
brandon weichert
To be clear, to be clear, I am very concerned about military action as well in Venezuela.
But I will tell you, I'm not advocating for military.
I'm advocating for using economic and diplomatic power to get the locals to start playing ball with us rather than China and Russia and Iran.
That is the key.
And we're so far doing that.
The Argentina model is a great model.
What we're doing also, the Panamanians are quietly negotiating with us again.
So it's working.
It's working.
steve bannon
Brother, hang on for one second, will you?
Yeah.
brandon weichert
I'm here.
steve bannon
We're going to.
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Jack Pesobic joins us now on a train hurtling towards New York City.
What are you doing, Jack?
Where are you guys headed?
You're going to hook up with Benny Johnson later.
What's going on?
jack posobiec
Well, Steve, in the War Room posse, for anyone who's in the Madison Square Garden area tonight around 5 o'clock, we are going to be out there with Benny Johnson, Tony Bobolinski, Tanya Ted, and we are going to be handing out 3,000 of the Charlie Kirk Freedom shirts to the attendees completely for free of the UFC 322 tonight.
steve bannon
So what happens?
These are people that you're going to be inside Madison Square Garden early for the UFC event.
I think it starts at 7 or something.
It's going to be on ESPN tonight.
You're going to be there early as attendees come in to give everybody one of those magnificent white freedom t-shirts.
jack posobiec
Well, Steve, that's right.
And the goal, of course, is that we want to get these up on camera.
We want people to show the support.
We know there's a lot of proud and great Americans that go to UFC.
We love the UFC Americans.
And people have to remember, too, not only is this a show for media, but don't forget, these are those types of low-prop voters that Starley always urged us to maintain a relationship with.
steve bannon
I noticed you got Tony coming today.
You're putting forward like the all-Polish team here?
What is Tony joining you guys for?
jack posobiec
Oh, Steve, it's the Pierogi gang.
What are you talking about?
So you got me, you got Tanya Tay, you got Tony Bobolinski.
The Pierogi gang is getting back together.
Benny Johnson's going to be an honorary member of the Firogi gang.
We're going to serve him pierogies, the Gwumki that's figs in the blanket, the Kiwasi.
It's going to be fantastic.
steve bannon
Now, is Benny, you and Benny are going to be streaming this live?
Because I know Benny streams everything live, but is he going to be streaming this tonight?
Because we want to make sure everybody, we're going to pick it up on our getter and our in our Rumble platforms.
Are you guys going to be doing that?
At what time will you be doing it?
jack posobiec
We'll be doing that, I believe, around 5.30.
Turning point as well is going to have people there.
So we're going to be filming it.
We're going to be making videos.
We're going to be meeting with people who are there coming into the event.
And I think it's going to be a great time.
We're also, of course, working with the police department.
Mayor Eric Adams has been very supportive, by the way.
So for at least the next couple of months, while we have an American mayor, we can get that kind of police support that we need to keep everybody safe.
steve bannon
No, this is, I think it's fantastic.
We opened up talking about New York and Texas and this problem with Islam or the Islamification.
What I'd love is you guys are going to the heart of it now, Beast, as a Ugandan starts to take over from Mayor Adams and you're going to the UFC crowd, which, as you know, you couldn't get more MA than a UFC crowd, right?
But you guys aren't backing off.
You're taking turning point and going right into the heart of the beast.
jack posobiec
Look, Steve, Mandami may have won the election, but I don't think he's won the soul of New York City.
And as a proud member of what I like to call the urban right, we are not going to give up our cities.
We're just not going to do it.
steve bannon
Jack, last thing.
I know you've got a lot of thoughts, and it's tough to do it on a train by phone, but can you just give us a minute or two on your thoughts?
We're talking about, we've pivoted now, talk about Latin America.
You see this big scandal in the Ukraine that President Trump is going to, I'm sure, talk to Zelensky about.
There's a lot happening in Israel, this whole dividing line in Gaza.
It looks like we're putting forward a plan to divide Gaza to the UN.
And I didn't see, I saw all Muslim, Arabic, Turks, countries, but I didn't see Israel mentioned.
But Latin America, something looks like it's going to happen in the next 72 to 90 hours.
Your thoughts?
jack posobiec
Well, Steve, look, we've got the USS Ford.
That's 5,000 American sailors aboard our most capable, our most advanced, our most expensive, the most advanced aircraft carrier platform on the face of the planet and on the seven seas.
And that is there to exert full spectrum dominance and hemispheric dominance on not just Venezuela, not just the Caribbean, but the entire Western hemisphere.
So this atmospheric dominance.
That's the term that you and I came up with earlier this morning while we were speaking via phone.
And look, we're not in the business of regime change war.
We don't support those things.
That's not what we want.
But we do want to remind everyone is that the United States is turning its eye away from thousands of miles away, from every conflict around the planet, every podunk dictator, and saying, you know something, it's time that we pay attention to our neighborhood.
It's time we pay attention to the Gulf of America.
It's time we pay attention to what's going on directly next to our homeland.
And that means those sea lines of communication, those blocks, those choke points in and around the continental continent of North America.
And that's, of course, as Ben was talking about, Brandon, the Panama Canal, the GI UK gap, Greenland.
That's what it's all about, and down to South America and the South Pole as well.
And of course, the North Pole.
So we've got to rebuild Fortress America on the sea and on the land.
steve bannon
Jack Pasobic, can you give your coordinates 5 to 5:30 today?
It'll kick off Eastern Standard Time.
You got Benny Johnson, you got Tanya Tay, you got Tony Bobolinski, you've got the Jack Pasovic, Turning Point USA.
They're going to the heart of the beast, Madison Square Garden, to partner up and to meet and greet the UFC fans and to hand out 3,000 Freedom T-shirts.
Charlie Kirk so memorably wore on the day of his assassination.
Where do they go, Jack?
What are your coordinates?
jack posobiec
Well, that's Steve.
That's right.
We'll be up at Jack Pesovic.
And I echo, by the way, what you said about the scandal in Ukraine.
We've been talking about the corruption in Ukraine since day one of this war.
And we see what's going on down there in Pokrovsk.
They want to turn Pokrovsk into a mass grave because Olinski is trying to do everything he can to wag the dog and draw attention away from this massive scandal.
But it's all been scandals.
steve bannon
Unbelievable.
Jack, we'll see you at 5-5:30 today.
We'll have you up on Getter, all over our platforms, Rumble, all of it.
Thank you, sir.
Jack Pasovic.
Thayer, give me your counter.
I don't want to talk about the First Island Chain now.
That's a topic for a different day, and we've got to go more in depth.
But you have, I think, a little different take on what President Trump's doing with the carrier strike force and the amphibious ready group off of Latin America, sir?
bradley thayer
Well, Steve, great to join you this morning.
I think the sure what the Ford Group is doing is signaling, of course, to Venezuela.
As Brandon has mentioned, and Jack mentioned, of course, that's very important to signal to Monero that this could escalate in a way that's not favorable to his interests.
But I see what President Trump is doing is really adding his own corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, Steve.
Monroe Doctrine said, of course, we're not going to allow Europeans to interfere in the Western Hemisphere.
Roosevelt added a corollary in 1904 where he said the U.S. might use military force to keep the Europeans out.
What President Trump is doing is adding his own corollary to Monroe, where he's saying he's not going to tolerate foreign powers, whether they're based in the Western Hemisphere or they're using the Western Hemisphere to hurt the American homeland.
So it's really a Monroe doctrine, which is externally faced, but it's also internally directed.
Because to my mind, what President Trump is doing is laboring so hard to restore the American spirit, right?
To restore American identity, which is so important, under threat, obviously, from political Islam or under threat from drugs, for example, whether those are the opioids and the synthetic opioids coming from China or other narcotics coming from Latin America.
steve bannon
Do you think the Fennesch?
Hang on, you think the Venezuela has a component that's the Chinese Communist Party?
I mean, there are people who come forward and say, hey, why do you say that?
Give me a minute on that.
bradley thayer
Absolutely.
Because of the presence that the CCP has in Venezuela, and not only Venezuela, but there.
So the CCP wants to use, of course, the Venezuelans against us, right?
They want to use Venezuela as a base to hurt us.
steve bannon
Is this Trump?
Is this part of cleaning out the entire Caribbean of a major infusion of the People's Liberation Navy and what they've got in the Bahamas with these phony embassies that are really military installations?
Is this part of that?
bradley thayer
Certainly.
And Cuba, too.
We can't forget Cuba and the base that has received some attention, of course, the way the CCP is using Cuba.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on.
But hang on, hang on.
Is this just Marco and the guys in South Florida?
Love them, the Venezuelans, the Cubans.
They believe in the heart of hearts that the march to Havana, you got to go through Caracas.
Is this what we're doing?
Or is it really to clear out the Chinese Communist Party and other outside actors in this region?
bradley thayer
No, I see it differently.
I see Trump is adding muscle to the Monroe Doctrine, right?
What Trump is saying is you're not going to hurt the American people using bases in the Western Hemisphere or using countries in the Western Hemisphere targeting and damaging the American people.
We're not going to tolerate that, whether that's the Chinese Communist Party, or whether it's other actors, narco, essentially narco-terrorists or Cuba.
President Trump has that vision of hemispheric defense, which is absolutely essential.
But what hemispheric defense is, to my mind, is a restoration, a major contribution to the restoration of the American spirit, which is what President Trump is after, right?
What he's giving the American people and why so many people voted for him.
steve bannon
Thayer, Thayer, what's your, we're jammed, we've got to bounce.
I want to have you back on Monday and Tuesday.
What are your coordinates?
You're putting up great writing all the time.
Where do folks go?
tej gill
Sure.
bradley thayer
Yeah, Steve, Brad Theron X or Bradley Theron Getter and Truth.
Thanks very much.
A very important discussion.
steve bannon
Very important.
We're going to continue it because something's going to happen.
So we've got to continue it.
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Okay, Secretary of War Pete Hex has put up a tweet.
steve bannon
Operation Rough Rider equals freedom of navigation for U.S. ships.
Operation Midnight Hammer equals obliteration of Iranian nuclear sites.
And then he's got Operation Southern Spear.
That is what this battle group off the coast of Venezuela is.
South America equals destroyed narco-terrorists killing Americans.
At POTUS, Trump means business in the world knows it.
Peace through strength.
The Secretary of War, Brandon Reichert, I know you got to bounce.
Give me a minute summary on your thinking this morning, sir.
brandon weichert
The overarching theme here is for America first to work, you've got to hold your hemisphere.
We're living in a tripolar world.
It's the United States, Russia, and China are the prime players.
Those two guys are dealing in their hemispheres and they're securing it.
We have not done the same for ours.
So, what Trump is trying to do is he's trying to secure all the major flows in the North and South American area and the polar region.
If we lose these regions, Steve, we don't have America first.
We have basically we're surrounded and isolated, and we become what the Soviet Union was in the Cold War, contained and isolated by our enemies.
We do not want that to happen.
Trump's stopping it.
steve bannon
Brandon Weickert, social media, where do people go get your writings, your thinking, until you join us back on Monday or Tuesday, sir?
brandon weichert
Well, right now I'm promoting my new show on Rumble, National Security Talk, Nat Sec Talk on Rumble, and also at WeThe Brandon is my Twitter.
And you can get my books wherever they're sold.
And also, I'm a senior national security editor at the national interest, which is nationalinterest.org.
steve bannon
Are we going kinetic in Latin?
Are we going kinetic in Venezuela in the next 72 hours, sir?
brandon weichert
I think in the next 72 hours, we will be going kinetic in Venezuela.
steve bannon
Yes.
Boom.
Folks, that is a bombshell right there.
You believe in the next 72 hours, we're going to go kinetic.
brandon weichert
72 to 96 hours.
They were waiting on the carrier.
The carrier's there.
I spoke to some people affiliated with the carrier.
Everybody's jazzed and ready to roll on the carrier.
They believe they're going in.
I believe that they're going in.
steve bannon
Sir, thank you very much.
Appreciate you.
You're up all weekend.
We'll see you back here Monday morning.
Brandon Weickert.
unidentified
Dave Bratt, thoughts?
dave brat
Yeah, I think President Trump has always had it right.
He has a very simple formula called America First.
That would stop the border invasions, stop the endless wars, stop Biden inflation, do what's good for the working class.
He's been spot on with that.
That attracted all the young people.
unidentified
I think the establishment Republicans are getting real nervous right now.
steve bannon
I got that.
I got that.
But if you go Kinetic in Venezuela, are you starting a, if you go Kinetic or the way you go Kinetic, are you starting a 20-year civil war down there, sir?
dave brat
Yeah, that's a little risky.
That's the fault of our CIA and State Department, who should have solved this a few years back.
But going out, you know, just look at Ron Paul, right?
He attracted young people with a very simple, consistent message.
Trump's got to stick with that consistent message.
The establishment people are getting nervous.
They're going to offer Chinese students in here all sorts of visas to the corporate class.
He's got to stick to his guns.
On Argentina, there's no problem with the moral hazard thing.
Trump's a genius at deal making.
Just tie any risk to the currency swaps.
It's a currency swap.
We're not bailing them out with huge debt dollars.
Just tie that to the rare minerals, and that's a winner.
Yeah.
And on Venezuela, Maduro, go look at a map.
It's right across the water.
That's the Monroe Doctrine.
And on the corruption with Zelensky, the oligarchs look like they're mapping out a house for him in Florida.
steve bannon
By the way, you think that Zelensky actually goes to exile in Florida?
dave brat
It's looking like it.
Breitbart today has got a couple oligarchs named.
And I've heard other rumors of real estate purchases in Florida.
steve bannon
Wow, we got two bombs.
We got said we're going kinetic in Venezuela in the next 72, 96 hours.
And Dave Bratt's already got the corruption.
Got an exit strategy for Zelensky to get him to Florida with Bayonne's.
We'll link to the Breitbart article.
Dave Bratt, your social media brother.
dave brat
Yep, just Brad Economics on Getter and X.
And the real corruption is the folks in our State Department who didn't listen to Mearsheimer and you three years ago.
steve bannon
Amen, brother.
By the way, Dave Bratt, yes or no?
Are we going to go Kinetic in Venezuela in the next 72 to 96 hours, sir.
dave brat
Not my lane, as you say, but I would say no.
I hope no.
We're trying to scare the boots off him, and that's it, I hope.
steve bannon
Or send a CIA hit team to take him out.
Okay, thank you, Brad.
You're fantastic.
Thank you for spending Saturday with us.
Moral hazard.
Amazing.
Ben Harnwell, talk to me about, give me a couple of minutes on what's happening in Ukraine, and particularly there's talk now that Zelensky may be turfed out and heading to Florida, sir.
ben harnwell
Well, let's start at the end of that question and work back towards the beginning.
There are some people who think if that were to happen, if Zelensky were to flee Ukraine, that might hasten the end of the war.
I would caution massively against that interpretation.
The reason he's he, if this were to happen, the reason he would be ejected by his own domestic political class is that he's no longer able to provide the one reason that has sustained him for what, a year and a half beyond his presidential mandate, and that is he's no longer bringing in the money.
He's no longer bringing in American money specifically.
And there'll be no prospect of that.
And that's why they will get rid of him.
And presumably bring in someone like General Zelilsny, who's currently in exile in London as ambassador, beloved figure by the military, by the Ukrainian people.
So that would only mean, the switcheroo would only mean that this war is going to go on and on rather than tidy up quickly.
No, Steve, the reason I really want to come onto the show today and share this with the warring posse is this is one of my all-time favourites coming out of Ukraine.
You remember we said sort of three years ago how the Ukrainian political class was taking advantage of having gold plated facials.
You remember that?
And we all laughed and said, you know, that's, you know, folks, that's where your hard-earned tax dollars are going, right?
Can you afford gold leaf facials?
No, but they were being hoovered up by the Ukrainian political class.
Well, there is one thing better than that now.
In these raids that have taken place over the last 48 hours in Ukraine, in amongst the duffel bags, stuff, stuff full of cash, in addition to the sort of, I think, how many sort of 200 hours worth of intercepted phone calls, they found in one of Zelensky's key political operatives, they found a golden toilet.
Not a gold-plated toilet, Steve, a golden toilet, solid gold.
And this is related to the fleeing from Ukraine of Timor Mindich, that's his name, who's diverted up to $100 million worth of illicit funds through his office.
Thanks, Denver.
Yes, do please put up that photo now.
That is it.
And that is where your hard-earned dollars have been going, right, Americans.
And on the one hand, you know, you think this is outrageous.
And on the other hand, to add a lighter note, one can understand, Steve, that the hallowed nostrils of Zelensky and his oligarchs can't be expected to snort cocaine off your common or garden porcelain toilets.
They need something more suitable for their station.
And there it is, right in front of you.
My plea, Steve, I'll hand back to you on this.
My plea is to President Trump to withdraw fully, decisively, the United States from the scenario and make it clear to the political class that America is out.
Once you kill the hope, the lifeline, then perhaps this war might end.
steve bannon
They're doing the raids because the corruption is so out of control, as we said.
They're doing the raids to try to cover, you know, to try to do something so they can continue to get more money.
It's not going to work.
This thing is going to collapse.
It's been a disaster.
You have a million and a half Ukrainians dead.
You got a million and a half Russians.
You got 3 million people dead or wounded.
The place looks like Dresden in 1945.
It's revolting what's happening.
And now you're seeing all the theft that we've talked about for years.
Ben Harnwell, social media over the weekend.
We'll get you back up on Monday.
Great job on the shows on Wednesday and Friday.
Where do people get you this weekend with your BD-eyed commentary?
ben harnwell
My BD-eyed cynicism, my unblinking reptilian eyes will be following the news over the next of this weekend.
And you write, it is disgraceful, it is disgusting, this grift.
They are thieving hand over fist.
Get us, Steve, my social media platform of choice.
Tap in my surname, Harnwell.
And there I am.
steve bannon
From your perch in the eternal city, yes or no?
Do we go kinetic in Venezuela in the next 72 to 96 hours, sir?
ben harnwell
I'm with Dave Bratt on this.
I hope not.
steve bannon
Sir, thank you very much.
Look forward to seeing you Monday.
We'll follow you on Pageta over the weekend.
Ben Harnwell, head of our international desk at Arome.
Nothing could be more urgent.
I think everything that's going on is make sure Make America Healthy Again is actually a healthy movement.
Claire Dooley's here.
So this summit the other day was closed to the media, right?
But you had one big hitter after the other.
In fact, JD, I haven't had a chance to play it.
I'll play it Monday.
He actually was up there with Bobby Kennedy and gave a great, I think, summary of America First in MAGA about Annapalasia and the folks that he kind of came from and I guess eastern Ohio.
Claire Dooley, you've now had a chance to kind of analyze this and write a piece about it.
We've got about four minutes here and you're going to hold you through the break.
What do you got for us?
claire dooley
Yeah, so I just wrote a piece called Inside the Maha Summit, an ex-vaxxer's take.
So it'll be released on the Maha Smith.
steve bannon
A who's take?
claire dooley
An ex-vaxxer's take, which we can dive into what an ex-vaxxer means.
steve bannon
An ex-vaxxer.
claire dooley
Yes.
I think often in the media, we get called anti-vaxxers, that we're anti-something, right?
Like we want to take away someone's right to vaccinate, you know, that all of us just completely hate vaccines.
And that's not really the case.
I mean, within my family, we did the thing, right?
We vaccinated and then suffered the consequences.
steve bannon
You had all the vaccines as a little kid?
claire dooley
I didn't, actually, but at a certain point, I was caught up and I had five in one day, which has never been studied, and subsequently experienced some reactions.
And so at that point, my mom looked into it and learned that vaccines also, some vaccines contain aborted fetal tissues.
And so for our family, that was something that we decided we no longer wanted to do.
And that was one of the reasons.
steve bannon
From a religious or spiritual and cultural perspective.
unidentified
Right.
claire dooley
So it's not that we're anti-anything, but my personal choice is that we're not going to vaccinate.
So that's my take on the Maha Summit, right?
I'm coming from that perspective.
I've been making documentaries for 10 years on health freedom and the vaccine freedom movement.
And so walking into a room full of biotech bureaucrats is definitely not something that was on my checklist.
steve bannon
It's incorporatist.
claire dooley
Incorporatist, right?
We're watching corporatism.
So I know we mentioned before when I came on, there was Yankopoulos, George Yankopoulos, of Reginarin, DJ Sayo of Neuralink.
So you had folks like that on the room, Cole Carney of CRISPR.
And so the article is really my experience of going to the Maha Summit and from start to finish what's going through my mind as someone who has this background and has experienced.
steve bannon
We're going to go to break here a second.
You come from an activist, you're a filmmaker, but it's mainly from the activist base of the children's health defense and the people that, quite frankly, were considered absolute wingnuts, but now have Bobby Kennedy as the Secretary of Health and Human Services and you have President Trump not just flying air cover.
President Trump, in the Roosevelt Room presentation, he did about autism and the vaccines.
I mean, he's almost as big an advocate as Bobby Kennedy.
So to come as a most marginal group and now get to the summit, give me a couple words.
We've got about 30 seconds before we go to break.
As you see where you guys have come and you've seized power in the imperial capital, and now you got a bunch of tech, let's be blunt, a bunch of tech bros looking to grift off the system, right?
What were your thoughts?
claire dooley
I think this is a chance for Maha to seize that kind of power to, in a way that we can be responsible, right?
The pharmaceutical industry has failed us, but we have big tech, biotech coming up, and this is the moment.
steve bannon
What do you mean, seize power?
The argument is they're going to seize power.
You're saying right now, okay, okay, from the mouth of babes, let's take a short commercial break.
I think this is what people want to hear.
A lot of the activists are saying, what in the hell is going on here?
Short commercial break.
Claire Dooley on a hostile takeover of the Maha movement in a moment.
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claire dooley
So we were just talking about an article I wrote called Inside the Maha Summit, an X Voxer's Take.
And, you know, we've been talking about the big tech takeover type themes when it comes to the Maha space.
I kind of wanted to share a little bit too about some of the details of my article.
And Steve, you know, at a summit, the most important thing that doesn't actually happen on stage, it happens in the conversations in the room, correct?
So I wanted to talk.
steve bannon
I'm not in the room, not in the deal.
That's the key thing.
Not in the room, not in the deal, right?
You're right.
It's the breakout meetings, it's the conversations behind the stage.
So is the grassroots movement in the room?
claire dooley
Absolutely, they're in the room.
Okay.
And this is something that I feel very empowered by.
I mean, I talked with Lee Rosebush.
He basically has all these compounding pharmacies.
He's working on moving compounding into the U.S. and moving it from China and India.
So I actually mentioned to him, hey, you know, look, there's a bunch of vaccine-injured folks.
I mean, what are you doing about that?
And he had a lot of meaningful comments to say about it.
You had people sitting in the room like Scott Morris from Walmart.
He's a Walmart executive.
Walmart has just promised to remove a majority of their synthetic additives in their private label brand, which mainly affects people of lower income, like my folks back in Mississippi.
I mean, most of them do their shopping at Walmart.
That's a huge Maha win.
In the room, there was also a guy named David Light of Valasure.
So Valasure is one of the companies that found toxic chemicals in a lot of sunscreen brands that have been cleared by the FDA.
And he said, no, they did the testing.
They found that it was toxic.
And a lot of those sunscreens were then subsequently recalled.
That guy is in the room, right?
He's saying, hey, we're going to hold the FDA accountable.
If the FDA isn't going to do their job, we're going to do their job for them.
I don't think that's a bad thing, right?
And that's considered biotech.
So I think whenever it comes to even a guy named Ed Clay, he has this amazing cancer treatment center in Mexico.
He's sitting in the room.
His mom was a victim of the pharmaceutical industry.
steve bannon
Here's my only thing.
I want everybody.
So, Grace and Mo, if you could take this article, I want to push it out to everybody.
I want people to read it.
But here's my point.
And I want to have you back on.
And Tony Lyons is also going to join us.
And I think Sophia Castens was there.
Sophia is going to join us on, she's got some thoughts on really prisoner's dilemma AI.
She's got some very definitive thoughts about this summit.
Would Nicole Shanahan, the children's health defense, and Bobby Kennedy, and what you guys did 10 years of your life dedicated to these films, you took what was considered a quite marginal group and you showed immense political power by kind of partnering up.
Let's say right now, the junior partner to the MAGA movement with President Trump won a tremendous victory.
And you have Bobby Kennedy in a confirmed Secretary of Health and Human Services, which, if you had said this a couple of years ago, people would have said that's total madness.
It has come because you have rallied the American people on a grassroots basis.
You guys had no big money.
In fact, you had all the big money against you.
My point: everybody in that room that comes from corporate America is a wolf.
Okay, they're going to do some good things, all those good things, because you put continual pressure or show economic opportunities for them.
Nobody is there to help the Make America Healthy Again movement.
They are anti-grassroots.
It's like they're anti-MAGA on the other tech bros.
It's just the nature of the structure of those industries and how they apply capital to it.
So, this is why I think people now you have a creme de la creme of the biotech industry sitting there licking their chops as the little lambs of Make America Healthy Again come through.
And I think people are one are the Claire Dooleys and the Cole Shanahans and all these grassroots people have been fighting for years.
Are you guys smart enough and tough enough to understand that you've seized some power, but people are trying to come and say and they're trying to take over the movement?
That's what I'm saying.
No, Tony Lyons, others would disagree with me.
That's my own beady-eyed cynicism that I get from Ben Harnow.
Where do people go to get this article?
You did a great job on this.
So where do they go?
claire dooley
So you can go to the Maha report and subscribe, maha report.com.
Subscribe.
You'll see this article coming out.
And absolutely, Steve, we are not going away.
We're a major.
steve bannon
Are you going to win this fight or not?
Is the grassroots of Maja going to win this fight?
claire dooley
It's already won, in my opinion.
unidentified
Wow.
claire dooley
It's just a matter of time.
It's a matter of getting over the finish line.
steve bannon
In your face, Bannon.
Okay, Monday, we're going to drill down to this, hopefully.
Taj Gill, 18 tours defending your country as a patriot.
You got to carry a battle group off with a lot of Navy SEALs on it, fleet Marines, all of this 250th birthday of the Navy, the Marine Corps, the great institutions are magnificent.
Tell me what guys are thinking about as they sit off the coast of Venezuela right now, sir.
tej gill
Yeah, 16 times.
But I think, I mean, everybody's ready to go in.
I heard what the guys on your show were saying earlier about the invasion of Venezuela is imminent in the next 72 to 96 hours.
I don't know about that.
I think when you secure objective, you need concentric rings of security.
And I think that's what that's what this is.
The objective to security is the United States of America.
The first ring of security is going to be your border patrol, the wall that Trump is building.
And then another ring of security is going to be the Gulf of America, the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean, with this aircraft carrier battle group down there, the strike group down there.
Right now, what we're doing is containment.
We're containing Venezuela.
The U.S. is not going to be contained.
Venezuela is the one being contained.
And I mean, we can invade.
If we do invade, we're not going to know about it.
What's going to happen?
We need three elements to conduct a successful strike.
That's speed, surprise, and violence of action, just like Trump did in Iran.
We didn't know that Iran hit was coming.
They did it with speed, surprise, and violence of action.
It was over quick.
So if we do invade Venezuela, it'll be quick, it'll be decisive, and it's going to be violent.
And then hopefully we'll get out quick.
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I'll be up all weekend on social media, Claire Dooley, your social media.
Where do people get you?
claire dooley
You can find me on ClaireDooleyFilm.com.
Claire Dooley filmed on Instagram.
steve bannon
I want everybody to read this article.
We'll have Claire back on on Monday.
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