Bannon's War Room - Episode 4895: Attacks On Phyllis Schlafly Distort History; The Great Unmasking

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Episode 4895: Attacks On Phyllis Schlafly Distort History; The Great Unmasking

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08:15

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		It's going to happen.
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		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's Saturday, 1 November in the year of our Lord, 2025.
		We're a couple of days away from an election.
		I'm going to get to all that, break it all down.
		We've got folks on here to talk about the ballots in Georgia.
		Julie Kelly's going to join us about the impeachment of Boesberg.
		We're going to get into geopolitics, capital markets, Russia, China, all of it.
		And we do have a cold open for you, as we have every day.
		But I've got to hold it because I have a very special guest who's under a time crunch, Ed Martin, the head of the deweaponization, I guess, of the government program over at the Maine Justice and also the Pardons Art, joins us and he's going out to an event that's always been one of my favorite events.
		Ed, I've got you on here because we're going to have Mark Hemingway on in a moment from the great The Federalists, that news site Sean Davis and the team put together.
		It's just outstanding.
		On one of my favorite people, and more importantly, one of President Trump's favorite people.
		It's Phyllis Schlafly.
		You're going out today, what, to the Eagle Forum.
		Tell me about this article Hemingway's got up is about the National Review still continuing to attack to attack Phyllis.
		Give me your, you knew better than anybody.
		In fact, it was a big article done nine years ago by Julia Hahn when I ran Breitbart about this fight, Ed Martin.
edward r martin-jr ▲ ● ▼		Hey, great to be with you, Steve.
		You know, I'm going to give a speech tonight at Eagle Council in St. Louis.
		And the topic is, you know, it's the choice, Phyllis's choice and Donald Trump.
		Well, she picked him early.
		She believed in him.
		And as you said, every time I've been with him, he will bring up Phyllis.
		He loves to say to people, Phyllis was with me.
		She never wavered.
		He gave a speech at her funeral, and that's the phrase he used.
		She never wavered.
		She never wavered in her whole career.
		And the common denominator for her and him is they just love America.
		And so what Hemingway captured, Mark's a great writer and insightful, is the attack of National Review.
		It's longstanding, though.
		There was always a fight between the globalists and the big money guys and the Eastern elites, the establishment, and people like Phyllis Schlafly.
		And you covered this in that movie a few years ago where you were talking, you interviewed Phyllis in a documentary.
		And at the heart of it, actually, was the great divide in the 1960s and 70s.
		And Reagan was hanging by the balance.
		And he was going to go with the common, you know, kind of conventional wisdom, what the big bankers and lawyers wanted in New York, which was to give the Panama Canal over to the Panamanians.
		And Phyllis Schlafly was an army of one saying, what are you talking about?
		We built it.
		Our people died for it.
		And more importantly, we believe in the Monroe Doctrine.
		And we say in our hemisphere, just like Venezuela is learning, in our hemisphere, don't screw around or you're going to find out.
		So she squared off with Buckley.
		And the inside story, Steve, is fantastic.
		It's like a TMZ episode.
		She had been a prominent kind of ally of his on social issues, conservative issues, although he betrayed the conservatives by blaming the Birchers and everybody for all sorts of things.
		But still, she was an ally that night when she destroyed him in a one-hour debate on the Panama Canal, where she showed he was in the tank for the lawyers and the big bankers.
		When it was over, when it was over, the tradition was Buckley with a flourish, especially for a woman, would take you to the curb in New York City and hail a cab.
		And Phyllis said to me, you can picture it, Steve, with a rueful smile.
		She said something like, he didn't even call a cab for me.
		He was so pissed.
		You could see it.
		It's up on the website.
		He was so mad.
		But that's the divide.
		The divide is, as you and I've talked about, is the globalists and the elites and the money that naturally corrupts systems and the people that are sticking to the Constitution and the values and everything else.
		And that was what made that split happen.
		And National Review has never really, I think, changed their stripes.
		They're always 60%, 70% correct.
		But the other 30%, they attack the good guys.
		And it's a real detriment often.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, they're terrible.
		You're quite kind.
		They're terrible.
		They're a clone show.
		And you got to remember, Phyllis Schlaffley, this is her courage.
		And one thing to say about Phyllis, tough as bootleather, that film, Fire from the Heartland, which had Michelle Bognus and Sarah Palin, I was the director for all the segments except Phyllis Schlafly.
		She directed herself, and she let me know that right at the beginning.
		I mean, it was like, hey, Grundun, you go sit over there.
		I got this.
		Just let the cameras roll.
		National Review came out with the Never Trump cover.
edward r martin-jr ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I think right before Super Tuesday, sometime I think in March of 16.
		And Phyllis Schlafly had the courage to be really the first movement conservative icon that came out and backed Trump and said, hey, this populism is going to be this populism is going to be the politics of the future.
		This nationalism, I fully embrace.
		And it's really what I stood for.
		It was a monumental moment when she came out and backed him and never wavered.
		And on the campaign, when we are behind, and every day Trump's doing 10 events, he said right off the bat, when you guys offered to let him say a few words, he says, I'm going to Phyllis Schlafly's funeral.
		And remember, he and he went and prayed.
		It was very moving, but we took time out because he said, this is more important than the campaign, right?
		We owe this woman and what the country owes her is tremendous.
		So I'm glad you're going out today.
		I'm going to play the entire debate sometime next week in one of the evening shows because she dismantles not just Buckley, but she dismantles Ed all the globalist arguments that are still prevalent today as President Trump tries to reassert our rights in the Panama Canal and for hemispheric defense, sir.
edward r martin-jr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, no, and it's a wonderful debate for kids to young people to watch.
		But one thing I say is, you said courage.
		When you know what you believe in, as Phyllis used to say, you just got to stand for it.
		And it doesn't mean you're not a happy warrior.
		You know, she was a happy warrior, but you got to stand for it.
		And there's going to be costs.
		It's going to be, she got sued, attacked, betrayed by people after she endorsed Trump.
		I mean, I did too.
		A lot of us did, right?
		And it was vicious.
		And I remember asking her, how come you're not bitter?
		And she said, I'm not bitter because you do the right thing.
		She's like, you know, what are you going to do?
		Do the wrong thing and have people like you?
		And she did that her whole career.
		And she did it with respect.
		I mean, when you watch that debate, she's not mean.
		She's just saying, hey, here's the facts, actually.
		Here's what's going on.
		And she's a lesson for us.
		But she also knew, Steve, last thing I'll say, I'm headed out to the airport, is she knew the stakes.
		One time she said to me about Trump, she said, and she was public.
		She said, he may be our last best hope.
		She saw the precipice we were on.
		And she knew, and when she was dying, she said to me, one of her last words to me was, keep going, keep going.
		Because as you know, Steve, and all of us, there's times where you just get tired.
		You're like, you know, I could do something else.
		I could be.
		And the message from her and all of us is, hey, keep going because of what's at stake.
		If it was a debate about, you know, should we have a marginal tax rate of 15 or 20, whatever.
		This isn't, this is a, this is a civilization moment.
		And Phyllis knew it.
		And she knew.
		Last thing, Trump, you know, Trump's a master in many ways, but he called her on her birthday.
		And I was at her house.
		Phone rings, picks it up.
		She says, oh, hi, Mr. Trump.
		She always called him Mr. Trump.
		And they talked back and forth for about five minutes.
		And she's laughing like a schoolgirl.
		And I get off and I say, what did he say?
		And she said, he wished me a happy birthday.
		And I said, what else?
		And she said, we just talked.
		Now that touch, she, and I remember she would say, I trust him.
		You know, and you know, like somebody, her 92 years old, she's been around the block.
		She's seen them all.
		And she says, I trust him.
		I used to tell people, I'm supposed to listen to you.
		You're 54 years old.
		You've been around the block once.
		She's been around 100 times.
		She says, I trust him.
		So it was great.
		And I'm glad Hemingway pushed back on that.
		And I appreciate the chance to say a few words.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		He's a bring guy.
		By the way, most of these endorsements, they really don't mean much.
		Hers meant so much because she's a giant.
		Ed Martin, Ed, social media, so we can follow you doing great work over at Maine Justice.
		What's your social media?
edward r martin-jr ▲ ● ▼		At Eagle Ed Martin on X is really the best one for my personal account.
edward r martin-jr ▲ ● ▼		We've got one over at DOJ, which I won't bother putting up on the air just in case somebody complains about me, which they love to do.
unidentified		But at Eagle Ed Martin is where you can find me the most.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're a hero, and she would be very proud of your work, sir, and he'll tell you, you're tough as bootleather.
		Anyway, say hi to everybody at the council tonight.
		We love the Phyllis Schlafly organization.
		Just love him.
		Thank you, sir.
edward r martin-jr ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Steve.
edward r martin-jr ▲ ● ▼		See you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Out in St. Louis tonight.
		Mark Hemingway joins us from the Fantastic Federalist.
		As I tell people, go the Federalist every morning.
		Great analytical pieces, great breaking news, just an extraordinary group that Sean Davis has put together.
		Mark, it's the lead story in the Federalists.
		That tells me it's an important story.
		Walk me through it, sir.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, National Review's 70th anniversary issue was just put out.
		And, you know, there are various things they're doing, of course, to assess the magazine's legacy.
		But somehow, in the midst of that pile of articles, there's a lengthy article that just attacks Phyllis Schlafly.
		It's really just really amazing to me that they would use this occasion to attack one of the most beloved icons of the right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mark, Mark, you're such a gentleman.
		It's just not an attack.
		It's a brutal attack.
		I mean, it's like when I read your piece, I hadn't seen the, they're not, I'm not on the mailing list for the 70th.
		But when I read it, I go, my Lord, why would you ever attack, not just attack Phyllis Schlafly?
		I mean, they are so brutal.
		It's like Buckley came back from the grave for the payback for being humiliated in the Panama Canal debate, sir.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, you're right about that.
		And I was certainly going to get into that.
		I mean, it really is just a Jeremiah that goes hammer and tongs against Schlafly for being a sophist and a propagandist.
		And the thing that really got me was she's described as a true virtuoso of the paranoid style, which, you know, the paranoid style has become almost a cliche in politics, but it's a reference to Richard Hofstettler's famous essay that was published in November of 1964 that was an attack on Goldwater Republicans,
		which, you know, one of Schlafly's biggest legacy was a choice not an echo, a book sold 3 million copies that made the argument for the GOP to move in a more populous direction in 1964 and nominate Barry Goldwater for president, which had major consequences.
		For one thing, it steered the party, even though Goldwater lost badly in the general election, It's steered the party in a more appropriately populist direction, which, you know, directly, well, most people, you know, acknowledge directly led to the election of Reagan in 1980, which was the greatest triumph of post-war movement conservatism at that point.
		So it is just shocking that you would embrace that attempt by Richard Hofstayler, a pseudo-Marxist, basically.
		He was a disciple of the Frankfurt School of Marxists in his attempt to dismiss Goldwater Republicans, including Schlafly, in National Review for the 70th anniversary.
		I mean, it's just like a really offensive way to go about things.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's go into the, it is their shot, don't you think, a little bit of payback for two things.
		Like I said, the Never Trump, they will never live down that cover ever.
		They came out, that was during the, when the when it hadn't been totally decided in the primaries whether Trump is going to be the nominee or not.
		Now, you can argue, as I did, the thing was over, but it was kind of the last gasp of what I call conservative ink in that cover.
		And of course, Phyllis Schlafly at that time and shortly thereafter was really Trump's biggest proponents and quite frankly, the first icon of the right to really step up and endorse Trump.
		Is it payback for that?
		Is it payback for the Panama Canal debate?
		I tell you what, Mark, why don't you hang on?
		We're going to hold you through the break.
		We're eventually going to get to the cold open, but this is too important.
		The reason this is important is it currently exists.
		On Tuesday night, folks, at about, I don't know, 11 o'clock p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 12 midnight, wait to get buried alive by the mainstream media after wins in New York City with a Marxist jihadist after wins in New Jersey and Virginia.
		And by the way, they're still kind of within striking distance.
		They have massive game day turnout.
		We'll talk about that.
		But the Democrats are bringing Obama in today.
		They're looking at blowouts and both.
		That's where they're focused.
		In California, we already know they surrendered.
		The Daily Mail's lead story this morning was Huntington Beach, California, how it's full MA, one of the most important parts of Southern California, yet we're going to get blown out, I don't know, by 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 points on the massive redistricting Prop 50, the Gavin Newsom for president, Gavin Newsome 2028 program.
		All these things have a common denominator, plus the judges in Pennsylvania, all of it.
		They all have a common denominator.
		The greatest political force, one of the greatest in the history of this country, and the greatest political force in the 21st century is absent in all of them.
		The great minds out there figure Trump wouldn't help in New Jersey, Trump wouldn't help in Virginia, Trump wouldn't help in California.
		We're going to talk about this.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, after Tuesday, it's going to be psychological warfare as the media is going to pile in Wednesday morning.
		A new Democratic Party, combination of the Working Family Party and DSA, which has massive ground game folks.
		They're going to win in Seattle.
		They're going to win in Minneapolis.
		They're going to win in New York.
		They're going to have all these.
		This is a massive ground game operation financed by foreign coin.
		Plus, you'll have Newsome.
		You'll have all of it.
		It'll be the death of Trump one year, one year from the time of the greatest comeback in American political history.
		Now, why is this happening?
		Number one, Trump is not in any of these races.
		In fact, he was basically told, you know, stay out of these races.
		In addition, the reditioning wars, which with Alex deGrasse were the leader in, I can tell you right now, it's grinding a little bit to a halt.
		Why?
		Establishment and conservative Inc., you know, the Mike Pence is of the world, while the Democrats rev it up.
		Prop 50 victory on Tuesday is going to send these guys next level.
		In Virginia, the Commonwealth of Virginia right now, they're talking about a 10-to-1 map.
		Spanberger Wednesday are going to move the primaries from June to August, a 10-to-1 map.
		Everything we've worked on, that great comeback, all of it, hey, get ready to hit reset because Tuesday night, they're coming in rolling hard.
		And they're putting the House in play.
		And when Hakeem Jefferson, he probably won't even be the speaker, but when they take over the House, the day they do it, the next day they start impeaching President Trump and they start sending the subpoenas and they grind the Trump revolution to a halt.
		Mark Hemingway, National Review, kind of the conservative Inc.'s Bible, viciously, viciously against a icon, a woman who is a true combatant, Phyllis Schlafly.
		Tell us why, why focusing on the debate of, and your focus on the debate of the Panama Canal, it's so current.
		It's Trump's hemispheric defense.
		Every argument she makes is the correct argument, and it's correct, I don't know, what, 60 years later, sir?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right.
		I mean, you know, whether it was globalism or whether it was populism, Phyllis Schlafly was on the sort of at least historically right side of it in terms of where we've ended up now.
		I mean, and I think to some extent, you know, a lot of the hostility being, you know, exhibited against her in this National Review article is a direct result of the fact that there are elements of the establishment that don't like the fact that this is where the party has ended up.
		And they want to punish this and say that this was always wrong from the beginning.
		But that's what's so weird about it.
		You know, Kennedy's article was published in the 70th anniversary issue of National Review.
		And it just starts by reviewing Phyllis Schlafly's Choice Not an Echo.
		It doesn't really explain why it's doing this.
		And then three quarters of the way through the piece, there's a line in there about, is it all surprising that Schlafly's last significant pull of back just before her death in 2016 was to give her blessing to Donald Trump?
		And all of a sudden, everything becomes clear.
		It's like they start with this premise, which is just assume that Donald Trump is bad, which, by the way, even to this day, I don't think 90% of National News subscriber base agrees with.
		And then they reason backwards from there.
		Donald Trump was swept into power by populism.
		One of Schlafly's biggest legacies was moving the GOP in a more populous direction in 1964 with a book of Choice Not an Echo that convinced voters and grassroots to support Barry Goldwater for president.
		And Erico, the woman that introduced populism in 1964, is responsible for the bad orange man in 2024.
		And it's a really silly argument.
		I mean, a lot of things happen 60 years between then and now.
		And populism influenced a lot of things in the meantime, very much for the better.
		It moved the party in a much more socially conservative direction, say if you're pro-life, which is a huge component of Republican base.
		Populism is what elected Reagan.
		Remember, he was the outsider in 1976.
		When he didn't get the nomination, he was still the outsider in 1980 when he did capture it.
		And, you know, the Reagan Revolution was largely responsible, was largely a populist thing.
		So, even if you don't like Trump, to say that populism has been bad for the GOP is frankly insane.
		And I do not get why they would make this argument other than simply to attack Trump.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And you're one of the smartest guys out there.
		This is one of the things that bugs me about, because these guys are not stupid.
		The Bill Buckley and kind of salons of the Upper East Side, this kind of debating society they want, we're not in a debate.
		There's not a debate.
		These people aren't interested.
		You're not going to debate the left.
		This is a, you see with Mondami.
		This is like a neo-Marxist jihadist.
		And these people play Smash Mouth.
		Ed Martin's sole job in Maine Justice is to take apart the apparatus of weaponizing the Justice Department against American citizens.
		I mean, we're at political warfare.
		And these people, it's not, you're not going to sit up in a salon in the Upper East Side and have a debate over some tea and champagne and convince these guys they're wrong.
		And oh, we're going to beat you at the polls.
		They don't care about polls.
		They don't care about elections.
		This is a neo-Marxist, progressive jihadist.
		And you see it city after city.
		Look what they've done to the government.
		Look what they've done with the illegal alien invasion.
		You can't debate it away.
		So why is the National Review look down and find so distasteful kind of the Trump brawler mentality, sir?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is a really good question.
		I think honestly, a lot of it, though, is, you know, these people do exist in, you know, a, well, I mean, I hesitate to call it, you know, intellectual world, but they do, you know, exist in this world where they get paid to talk about ideas.
		And I think that is in large part, you know, over time insulated a lot of people from the consequences or understanding the stakes for ordinary people, which is one reason why they don't understand populism.
		Well, populism is very much a reaction from ordinary people responding to real forces in their lives, I think.
		And they're simply not in touch with that.
		And I agree with you about the stakes 100%.
		But it's really shocking to me to see these people come out.
		My former boss, I was a writer of the Weekly Standard for a number of years, Bill Kristol came out and recently endorsed Mem Danny for mayor of New York.
		He endorsed a literal communist Islamist to be the next mayor of New York.
		And this is a man who has spent the last however many years trying to tell other conservatives that they're unprincipled for supporting Trump.
		And yet he's the guy that used to be a big conservative pundit who's now going out and endorsing communists.
		And I think that ordinary people are pretty sick of this situation here where there are these elites that are telling them what to think when they're simply responding to the things that they see, the changes in values around them, the economic forces that have undermined their way of making a living.
		I mean, there's so many obvious things to these people as voters.
		And maybe you don't agree with the solutions that these people have seized upon.
		And that's fine.
		But it's at least your job to at least try and persuade people instead of sneer and exhibit contempt.
		And that seems to be all that they can do.
		I mean, the Schlaffley article is a very good example of that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		By the way, great piece.
		Really appreciate you doing it.
		Go to the, we've got it up in Grayson Moe.
		Push it out.
		Let's be a force multiplier today for Phyllis Schlafly.
		Fantastic piece by Mark Hemingway.
		It's the leads.
		It's the top of the Federalist.
		I just can't understand why Crystal and these guys do not look at London and Sadiq Khan.
		What's happened in London over the last decade?
		And I was there at the time.
		You know, oh, Sadiq Khan is a great guy.
		He's going to do good things.
		And, you know, if it's bad, we'll get rid of him in a couple of years.
		It hasn't worked like that.
		He's controller for 10 years, and he's changed London dramatically.
		That's what's going to happen to New York City.
		And people come, oh, he's a socialist.
		It's a good thing socialists because they're failed.
		I said, no, these guys are Bolsheviks.
		These are Marxists.
		Once the Working Family Party and the DSA get their hands on the apparatus of the New York City government, the global, the financial capital of the world, they're not going to, you're going to have to pry it out of there.
		They're not going to, they don't play by the Marquis of Queensbury's rules.
		Hey, Mondami, the Ugandan, right?
		Not even a legitimate U.S. citizen.
		We have no idea where the money comes from.
		And they don't care.
		They don't care.
		Mark Hemingway, with social media, where do people get you, your coordinates, and more of your writing, sir?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I am at Heminator on X, H-E-M, I-M-A-T-O-R.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		That was a stupid college nickname that I chose in 2009, because I didn't think this social media thing would be serious, but it's now a professional moniker, unfortunately.
unidentified		I love it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Sir, thank you so much, and thank you for the piece.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate you.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Phyllis Schlafly, her greatest virtue was courage because it's upon courage that all the other virtues rest.
		And she knew one thing: courage was contagious.
		What she did on the fight of the ERA, one woman with her back against the wall, turned the whole thing around.
		She was, you know, she was a Trump-type figure before Trump.
		That was the kind of fight that she knew you had to have in politics, and President Trump knew it too.
		This is why they hated her.
		They hated her.
		The National Review and its 70th anniversary smears one of the greatest women this country has ever produced, and obviously one of the top two or three the conservative movements ever had in this country.
		Smear.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So elections on Tuesday all over the country from Texas, these constitutional amendments to the judges in Pennsylvania, Prop 50 huge in California to governorships, of which President Trump, remember, we won that with Youngkin four years ago.
		Why John Fredericks had a brilliant strategy, came to the war room and said, Hey, look, if we perform at presidential levels with the MAGA vote, and Yunkin's no MAGA guy, we can actually win this and send a message.
		And John Fredericks went around and we executed on that.
		If you remember the war room, and he won in a shocking victory.
		So after not doing anything close to what MAGA demanded in the four years, Yunkin's kind of a spent force, and now this is a disaster.
		Trump's not involved.
		If they have, and I think John Fredericks say, if they have, I don't know, 175,000, if they win by 175,000 or 200,000 on game day, they can pull this out.
		The same in New Jersey, which is much, much closer.
		And Scott Pressler and the entire team, Cliff, Maloney, all of them have been up there just pounding it.
		But it's, you know, it's a huge Democratic state.
		We've closed it.
		You know, Obama's going to Virginia and there today.
		But across the board, if you look, and particularly look in the redistricting fight, and the redistricting fight is gritty, nasty, in the trenches work.
		They don't want to do it.
		You can tell they already want to go past Trump.
		And here's the problem: you're not going to get the low-propensity, lower-information voters if you don't have Trump.
		That's just basic.
		And you're going to see on Tuesday night.
		And the Democrats are going to take this and try to grind us into dust and use that as a springboard to take back the House, thwart the redistricting movement using conservative Inc.
		Republicans, establishment Republicans, and then have the House flip and have Trump impeached and kill the Trump revolution right there.
		Full stop.
		We're not getting on with the work that we have to do to take down the deep state in the interim.
		And we're burning daylight.
		Julie Kelly joins us.
		Julie, in the work you've done, so extraordinary.
		You just went to every hearing.
		You've chronicled everything.
		It's the reason your substacks is a mushread.
		You're all over Arctic Frost understanding this.
		Boesberg, which you called out, I don't know, seven or eight months ago and saying, we got to impeach one of these judges.
		You've got to send a signal.
		It's either Beryl Howe or Bozberg.
		Pick them, but let's roll.
		Now, finally, people are starting.
		I think Ted Cruz and others are starting to pick up your clarion call.
		Why is that, ma'am?
julie kelly ▲ ● ▼		Well, because Jeb Bosberg entered non-disclosure orders.
		So this is part of a subpoena.
		And what the non-disclosure order does is it prevents certain companies, and in this case, telecommunications companies, from notifying their user, their clients, of the existence of a subpoena.
		So it prohibits, say, Verizon or ATT in these two instances, those companies from notifying, in this case, several sitting members of the U.S. Senate and at least one member of the House.
		Now, we'll get into the details of what a judge needs to determine before he can enter a non-disclosure order under the Stored Communications Act.
		Now, this is the statute that protects Americans from precisely this, and that is the government getting their hands on your private data.
		And in order to do so, a judge needs to determine one of five factors.
		And we'll get into what Jeb Bosberg determined.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But hang on a second.
		Hang on a second.
		Hey, don't bury the lead.
		The reason that Cruz and these guys are doing now, correct me if I'm wrong, when it was against Bannon and Avaro and Julikin and all the people out there have been fighting this and Trump, they had no problem.
		Now they basically did a wiretap on the Senate, and now Cruz and other guys are starting to come up and say he should be impeached, correct?
julie kelly ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		I mean, in 2023.
unidentified		Right.
julie kelly ▲ ● ▼		But in 2023, when Jeb Bosberg forced Representative Scott Kerry to turn over hundreds of his communications with his own colleagues or staff or people in the executive branch, when Jeb Bossberg forced Scott Perry after his cell phone was snatched out of his hand the day after the Mar-a-Lago raid, I didn't hear Ted Cruz or John Cornyn or Marsha Blackburn demanding that Jeb Bosberg, demanding Jeb Bosberg's head.
		You're right.
		It was only when the government, the DOJ, and then Jack Smith working hand in glove with Jeb Bosberg to violate their privacy rights and constitutional rights.
		It was only then that they are outraged and want Jeb Bosberg to be impeached or stepped down.
		You are correct.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So you've said, make the case against Bosberg overall.
		These guys are jumping on, and John Cornyn goes, he stood in a microphone.
		I think you're the one that highlighted it.
		He stood in the microphone and goes, if they can do it to me, they can do it to you guys.
		Hey, yo, dude, Texas, I think, is the one that's had the most roll-up of J-6 after Florida, right?
		They have done it to your constituents, sir, over years.
		Are these Senator Claghorns that removed from the reality of what is going on here?
		This is what's so shocking about this: they're jumping on your bandwagon, but you started this on everything the guy had done, including this stuff years ago.
		Now they're all up in arms because guess what?
		He approved the wiretapping of United States senators, ma'am.
julie kelly ▲ ● ▼		Furthermore, they almost all contributed to this idea that January 6th was a terror attack.
		Remember Ted Cruz, and he backpedaled after Tucker Carlson called him out.
		It was roughly the one-year anniversary of January 6th, and Ted Cruz in a Senate hearing called January 6th an act of domestic terror.
		Well, guess what?
		You guys are eating your own words now because January 6th has always been the basis for this sweeping, unprecedented dragnet for American citizens, for Donald Trump, for all of his associates now who are listed in these Arctic Frost documents.
		It was always the basis.
		We talked about it.
		I wrote a book on it.
		I mean, it said January 6th was being used to launch a war on terror against the political right, meaning MAGA.
		These guys contributed to enforcing the idea that January 6th was so egregious that anyone associated with it had to be punished.
		Well, now look in the mirror.
		This is the monster that you guys created in Washington.
		You allowed the FBI, the same FBI that came for you, John Cornyn.
		Yes, exactly.
		Where have you been?
		Texas, number two only to Florida.
		And the greatest number of J-Sixers rounded up, probably close to 100 Texans of his own constituents.
		He was silent in the face of that happening.
		So, I mean, this is, so now all of a sudden they want the FBI held accountable.
		They want these judges held accountable.
		We'll see if they actually have the guts to follow through on it.
		But this is very frustrating.
		And I've heard from Jay Sixers who are very frustrated that these lawmakers were silent when the FBI was using battering rams at 6 a.m. in the morning, storming their homes with a dozen armed agents pointing their firearms at pets,
		at young children, at elderly spouses, rampaging through their home, and then taking away an American citizen on usually nonviolent offenses related to their participation in January 6th.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Julie, take a minute.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The steps you would recommend to the President of the United States and to the House and to the Senate for the impeachment of Boesberg, what would be the steps that Julie Kelly would recommend?
julie kelly ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are some, I think, laws that he broke.
		Mike Benz posted this early this morning, at least three of them.
		Of course, deprivation of rights.
		Mike Davis's favorite, 18 USC 242, also conspiracy against rights, 18 USD 241, obstruction of proceeding before Congress.
		I would add false statements, and I posted this if people want to look.
		I know you've got a packed show, but I did post these non-disclosure orders that Jeb Bossberg filed to prevent Verizon and ATT from notifying sitting members of Congress.
		He said that he found reasonable grounds to believe that such a disclosure, notifying them of the subpoena, will result in destruction of or tampering with evidence, intimidation of potential witnesses, and serious jeopardy to the investigation.
		This is the investigation into January 6th.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
julie kelly ▲ ● ▼		This is the chief dog of the DC claiming that U.S. senators were going to destroy evidence or intimidate witnesses if they found out about a subpoena for their phone records.
		That is a flat-out lie.
		He did no research or investigation on his own.
		This was rubber stamping NDOs sought by Biden DOJ and then by Jack Smith after he took over the special counsel's office in November of 2022.
		That's a flat out lie.
		You're telling me if Jeb Bossberg had to go before an impeachment committee and you had Ted Cruz or Marsha Blackburn or Ron Johnson ask him directly, you really think I was going to destroy evidence or tamper with a witness, intimidate a witness or jeopardize the investigation?
		Show your work.
unidentified		What would Jeb Bosberg say?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Got nothing.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Julie, where do we go to get your sub stack and all of it?
julie kelly ▲ ● ▼		So my substack is declassified with Julie Kelly.
		I'll be posting a lot more records than I have been all week.
		Julie underscore, Julie underscore Kelly 2, almost as bad as Mark Hemingway's handle.
		We all regret that early on.
		And then some of my work on this can be found also at Real Clear Politics Investigation.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely amazing.
		And you're the first to come after Bozberg.
		Last question.
		As you go through the Arctic Frost documents, how bad is it?
julie kelly ▲ ● ▼		It's bad.
		I mean, when you have an FBI agent from Seattle claiming that Ed Corrigan, now with the Conservative Partnership Institute, a longtime conservative leader, is a Putin asset and he should be added as a target of this investigation.
		I mean, we're talking almost 200 subpoenas ensnaring more than 400 individuals, directly targeting the president, his PACs, forcing these companies, except for AT ⁇ T and X, by the way.
		X fought a subpoena for, or excuse me, a non-disclosure order that was signed by Beryl Howell in the president's case.
		So, I mean, we're still learning, but again, there have.
		And I would start with Jeb Bossberg, because, of course, he was the chief judge, took over that post shortly after Jack Smith became the special counsel and oversaw not just the January 6th investigation, but the documents investigation that was then switched to Florida at the last minute.
		Jack Smith conducting that documents case in Washington, D.C., so he could get exactly this type of ruling, Steve, from First Beryl Howell and then Jeb Bosberg, because they were nothing more.
		They weren't just a rubber stamp, as you and I talked about the other day.
		They were fully complicit.
		This was a criminal operation run by the Biden White House, his DOJ, Jack Smith, and these two chief judges, First Beryl Howell and then Jeb Bosberg.
		A criminal racket.
		That's what this was.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, think this is what the National Review crowd doesn't get.
		This is not a garden party.
		Look what happened.
		The whole thing, if you go from Crossfire Hurricane to the stolen election to J6 to what they did in Arctic Frost post, it's mind-boggling.
		And it's now just being told right as the documents are coming out, really from whistleblowers.
		That's how deep they have these things buried at DOJ and the FBI that really kicked off with a whistleblower.
		And the senators finally waking up because they wiretapped them.
		Julie Kelly, thank you, ma'am.
		Appreciate you, as always.
		The great Julie Kelly.
		Unbelievable.
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		Love Harm Meat.
		I love what you guys doing over justice.
		Instead of sending a letter, send the U.S. Marshals and let's just secure the freaking ballots.
		Let's go.
unidentified		Go, go, go, go, go.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Tom Fitton shouldn't have to be doing for you requests and we shouldn't be sending more strongly worded letters about we're going to do this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're going to huff and puff and blow your house down.
unidentified		Send in the United States Marshals.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's get those ballots and let's rub the Democrats' nose in it how they stole Georgia and then came back and indicted President Trump on criminal charges and all those folks on there.
unidentified		Screw you.
unidentified		It's time to fight and throw a punch.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back.
		Georgia.
		Okay.
		The railhead, you had Crossfire Hurricane, all of us, you know, in 16 investigated just like an Arctic Frost.
		I've been under these guys' boot for, I don't know, eight, nine, 10 years, cost millions of dollars, right, that I personally paid.
		Didn't go to any organization, look at fundraisers to it, paid out of my own pocket.
		Because if we're going to have this fight, I'm going to have it with them on my own terms.
		They stole the 2020 election, and Biden was an illegitimate regime.
		This is what the system here doesn't want to deal with.
		The Republican Party wants to move on.
		You know why they want to move on?
		The amount of complexity and liability and all that when you find out that he wasn't legitimately elected president of the United States is ginormous.
		I understand that.
		But what did President Trump say on the stage when Charlie Kirk introduced him at Amfest last year in Phoenix?
		When President Trump came out, he said that the reason I ran against, the first time I've seen him actually say it publicly, or he said it behind the scenes to people constantly, is that he knew he won the 2020 election and he couldn't just let that be.
		To do that is to surrender this country.
		And now you've got a situation where some of the evidence has been destroyed by the Democratic Party, full stop in Pennsylvania.
		But you got some places it doesn't have to be.
		And I got to get on my girl, Cleta Mitchell.
		Cleta, I didn't want to get, she was wrong last night.
		When you have a federal presidential election, there are no do-overs.
		You couldn't do it over in Georgia when you did the thing, the runoff for the senators.
		It doesn't work like that.
		There's a system set up through the Electoral Count Act of 1887.
		Have you ever heard that for long-term viewers?
		Did we not bang that drum about contingent election?
		It's set up.
		You don't have another election.
		You don't have a do-over.
		The election's the election.
		It either can be certified.
		In that case, you move on to the next step.
		If it can't be certified, what happens?
		It goes to the House of Representatives, and they have a, you vote by state party delegation.
unidentified		There are 50 votes for the 50 states.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And you vote as a delegation.
		In other words, if your delegation, well, like what they want to do in Virginia now, but what they want to do, Virginia in the future, 10 to 1, Virginia, you know, Virginia votes for, you know, Biden or votes for whoever.
		Ohio votes for Trump.
		It's by state party delegation.
		The majority of that state party delegation would vote for it.
		Of course, Liz Cheney being a delegation of one up in Wyoming at the time would probably vote against us.
		Jamie Raskin pointed that out on TV one day.
		He said, that's the, Bannon hadn't thought of that.
		No, we had thought of that.
		We still win.
		But you have remaining Georgia, Arizona, and Michigan.
		And that's enough to get you below the 270.
		So Georgia, Sally Grubbs and Sally, you've been fighting this fight with folks down there.
		You know, Jeffrey, you guys have been in the trenches for years on this topic.
		So just make it simple for me.
		My solution is get the U.S. Marshals, get a warrant, go down and just seize it.
		Don't go through these niceties.
		We've been playing this game for years.
		Why send a strongly worded letter, ma'am?
salleigh grubbs ▲ ● ▼		So thank you, Steve.
		You know, as I'm listening to you while I'm backstage, I'm just sitting here shaking my head.
		Yes, yes, yes, yes.
		You are right.
		You are correct.
		And you know what?
		Georgia is the low-hanging fruit.
		Georgia is a place where it's all set up.
		It's ready to go.
		Yes, there's been a strongly worded letter.
		There's also been two subpoenas sent from the Georgia State Election Board.
		There has been so much with the groundwork laid, with Judge Amero ordering the ballots to be preserved.
		Thank God for Caroline Jeffords and what she's done and hanging in there with her litigation, Garland Fabarito, of course.
		But in Caroline's case, with Judge Amero saying that the ballots are to be preserved, we actually have the ballots we can get right now.
		The letters have been sent.
		The subpoenas have been sent by the Georgia State Election Board to the custodian with the clerk of court in Fulton County and with the election superintendent in Fulton County.
		It's time to get the ballots.
		And you're right, Steve.
		You would think you could just roll up and just take them.
		The only unfortunate part is that there need to be warrants issued.
		We need to have a grand jury impaneled.
		And we need a U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Georgia or from some other district in the United States to enforce the law.
		That's what we need, and we need it yesterday.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Just talk about that for a second.
		I'm going to hold you through the break.
		It's mind-boggling.
		Caroline Jeffers, she's a hero.
		You guys have fought this from the moment you knew it couldn't be certified.
		Are we on to five years now?
		Is it five years that you guys have been fighting this?
unidentified		So, ironically, you'll find we've sent enough letters.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We've gotten enough.
		They get subpoenas from people and they blow it off.
		These people are lawless.
		These are the same folks that indicted Trump on felony charges to put him in prison.
		What don't we get about this?
		Yes, ma'am.
		Go ahead.
salleigh grubbs ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you one other thing.
		This is why they fight certification in Georgia so hard.
		If you think about it, certifying the presidential election, to your point about the Electoral Act, this is why they push for certification without justification.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Amen.
		Hang on for one second, will you, Sally?
		Here's why they don't want to do it.
		How do you think Kemp and the Georgia Senate and all these folks are going to look when you get down to the ballots that we've argued about from the very beginning?
		And it shows that the election could not be certified.
		What do you think in Michigan and Arizona, too?
		The establishment of GOP.
		Oh my God, Maricopa County can't touch that.
		The 2020 election was stolen.
		And we do not, I don't want to have people preach to me about the Constitutional Republic.
		You guys answer constitutional.
		You burned the Constitution in the 2020 election, full stop.
		We owe this to every patriot grave that came before us and every generation after us.
		It was stolen.
		And we got the receipts stolen.
		400,000 of them in Georgia.
		Send a U.S. freaking Marshal down there and seize those ballots.
		This is outrageous.

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