Oct. 10, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| You know, last night we reached a momentous breakthrough in the Middle East, something that people said was never going to be done. | ||
| We ended the war in Gaza and really, on a much bigger basis, created peace. | ||
| And I think it's going to be a lasting peace, hopefully an everlasting peace. | ||
| Peace in the Middle East. | ||
| We secured the release of all of the remaining hostages, and they should be released on Monday or Tuesday. | ||
| Getting them is a complicated process. | ||
| I'd rather not tell you what they have to do to get them. | ||
| They're places you don't want to be. | ||
| But we are getting the hostages back on Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday. | ||
| And that'll be a day of joy. | ||
| I'm going to try and make a trip over. | ||
| We're going to try and get over there. | ||
| And we're working on the timing, the exact timing. | ||
| We're going to go to Egypt, where we'll have a signing, an additional signing. | ||
| We've already had a signing representing me, but we're going to have an official signing. | ||
| Why do they feel differently about this phase one? | ||
| It seems like the jubilation on the streets, both in Gaza and in Israel, is a little bit different this time around, Sam. | ||
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Well, what they've said to me was a few things. | |
| One is that Trump is so much behind this and that they really have put all their faith in him more than any of the other deals have been. | ||
| The other thing is this coalition that he's managed to get, the Arab coalition, he's gotten a huge international support that hasn't been in previous deals. | ||
| And they just feel like there's no way that Netanyahu can back down from this pressure. | ||
| And so they have said that there is a different feeling to this. | ||
| But at the same point, as you've been mentioning, this is phase one, but the issues in the last deal as well came going into phase two. | ||
| And so there are concerns that this might go ahead, but that it might not last. | ||
| But this in Trump involvement, everyone is saying, is really the key as to why they think this time is much different than previous. | ||
| Yeah, and that's the reason why I made the point that I did earlier. | ||
| We need to stop viewing this as the outlier and recognize this is now the normal deal. | ||
| This is normal. | ||
| Like what is normal at the Department of Justice in October of 2025 is that the President of the United States will order the Attorney General or suggest to the FBI who he wants investigated and indicted and they will comply. | ||
| And, you know, again, not to be the difficult one here, but if you're sitting, but if you're sitting, you know, as a line assistant in the Eastern District of Virginia, I don't want to hear about the fact that you disagree. | ||
| I don't want to hear that you refuse to be in the grand jury room. | ||
| What the hell are you doing in the office? | ||
| You know, what you're doing in the office is you are still conveying a legitimacy to an office that is run by a woman right now who is, I think, probably been in grand jury rooms twice in her life. | ||
| Once to indict James Comey and once now to indict Tish James. | ||
| So, you know, the authoritarians don't just rule by the handful of people at the top. | ||
| They rule through the compliant go-along get-along of a whole lot of other people. | ||
| And yes, I was one of those people who said, if you are a good government employee, don't resign. | ||
| But the assumption was that they were going to stand up and they were going to speak out. | ||
| They weren't going to sit quietly at their desk and try not to get called on. | ||
| And right now, there are a whole lot of people in the executive branch who are just trying to keep quiet and not get called on. | ||
| And those people need to either stand up and follow their oath, or else they need to get the hell out of the government. | ||
| What is the judge considering in this case? | ||
| The judge in Chicago, you're asking in Chicago. | ||
| One of the things that the judge has to weigh is whether this is within the president's power under this provision of Title 10. | ||
| And there are two things that the president can rely upon. | ||
| Actually, I heard about this earlier today when the Ninth Circuit heard an argument about what's going on in Portland. | ||
| One of them is: is there a rebellion on the ground or a danger of a rebellion that would justify federalizing the National Guard? | ||
| And obviously, that depends on whether the court itself thinks it has the power to define what a rebellion is, or if only the president in his own discretion gets to decide that. | ||
| But the second question is: does a president think that regular forces are unable to execute the laws of the United States? | ||
| And that could be a question too, because it doesn't just depend on the immediate here and now. | ||
| But there were some questions today from the Ninth Circuit, for example, about do we let the president sort of have the discretion to decide how to allocate federal resources so that if the president, for example, thinks I've put too many ICE and CBP officers in Chicago and that's diverting from their other missions, does that justify sending in the National Guard to assist in the protection, for example, of federal property, of federal persons? | ||
| Can he sort of like shift resources around in the way that he sees fit? | ||
| Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and the Congressional Democrats are holding the entire federal government ostensibly. | ||
| I will tell you, a lot of Democrats want to get this thing open too. | ||
| They do. | ||
| They're calling us and they just want to get it open. | ||
| And all we're doing is saying, just play the same thing until we get it straight. | ||
| And they don't know how to go about it. | ||
| I mean, and the problem is we really don't know who the hell is leading the Democrats. | ||
| You have this AOC. | ||
| I don't know her at all. | ||
| But I watched her the other day. | ||
| She said, well, if they want, they could come to my office. | ||
| That's that leadership. | ||
| The only one that challenged her actually was Nancy Pelosi. | ||
| And Nancy, Nancy's not looking too good. | ||
| I don't know what happened to Nancy, but she's not looking great. | ||
| But she was the only one I give her credit. | ||
| She was the only one that challenged her. | ||
| But AOC said that they can come to her office and negotiate the Republicans. | ||
| And we say, oh, I didn't know she was in leadership, but she's taking Hakeem Jeffries' place. | ||
| And Schumer's afraid that she's going to run against him. | ||
| And right now, I don't know. | ||
| He can change. | ||
| Life is crazy, right? | ||
| But right now he can't beat, I don't think he can beat anybody. | ||
| So he'll lose in a primary. | ||
| I would say he'll retire before he loses in a primary. | ||
| So I think Schumer's going to retire because he can't beat anybody. | ||
| His pulse is so big. | ||
| Stephen Miller is making a constitutional argument that putting aside the statute, the president has plenary power under the constitutional provisions that govern the presidency to essentially ensure the public safety, take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and that that plenary power is sort of at its apex when we're talking about exclusively federal functions. | ||
| They may be arguing that, for example, ensuring that the immigration laws are abided by is one of those exclusively federal functions where the president's power is at its apex. | ||
| Has a president ever tried to use that? | ||
| And to your knowledge, I know I'm asking you kind of on the spot. | ||
| In this sort of context? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, this is a president who has, I want to just level set for a second, the most expansive understanding of executive power of any president in our lifetime, if not in modern U.S. history. | ||
| His definition of his Article II powers are so elastic that the question for me is always, at what point does the rubber band start to snap back on him? | ||
| Right now, the Supreme Court has totally been on board for him stretching it and stretching it and stretching it, stretching it even so much that their conception of when a stay is justified, for example, of a lower court order, depends on their conception of his being harmed by not being able to execute on his policy priorities. | ||
| That's a really expansive and broad definition of presidential power, particularly relative to the powers of the other two branches. | ||
| That he talked about how it's appalling that Republicans are not saying of Donald Trump, as opposed to saying it's surprising. | ||
| And this is something we were talking about a second ago. | ||
| Man, to mark a lie, the parallel point to what Mark made about how there's the old world, the system of justice that obtained previously, and we're now in this new world. | ||
| The old world politics is one where you can be surprised about Republicans not, dude, it's been 10 years. | ||
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10 years ago. | |
| 10 years ago. | ||
| They have never stood up to Donald Trump on almost anything. | ||
| And let's not forget, he instigated an insurrection and they got back on board, nominated him, and are more loyal to him today than they were before that day. | ||
| Anybody who has any hope that Republicans en masse, or even in small, like courageous chunks, are going to suddenly look up and go, you know, we've had too much. | ||
| Donald Trump can't do this. | ||
| I'm going to stand up to Donald Trump. | ||
| I mean, dude, like whatever you're smoking at, I want some because you're totally deluded. | ||
| I'm not saying you want to. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Get used to the new reality. | ||
| They are not going to challenge him on anything that matters. | ||
| You know, I don't know if one day perhaps the entire story will be told about the events of yesterday, but suffice it to say, it's not an exaggeration that none of it would have been possible without the president of the United States being involved. | ||
| It really began with your trip to the Middle East, where these relationships were forged with partners in the region, personal relationships, close relationships that created the foundation where all of this was possible, where I think this really took a turn. | ||
| Remember a month ago, no one thought this was possible. | ||
| The one thing that President Trump did that his predecessors were averse to doing is pressure Israel. | ||
| He identified Mr. Netanyahu's manipulations. | ||
| He identified his credibility shortage and he identified his relative weakness. | ||
| And he did something that neither Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama nor Joe Biden did, and that is actually corner him. | ||
| But if you look at it from a wider perspective, it was Netanyahu that sort of outmaneuvered himself into a position where the only ally he has in America is Trump himself and the sum in the Republican Congress, obviously. | ||
| He has nothing he can leverage against Trump. | ||
| So Trump pushed him into the corner. | ||
| I think the inflection point, the point of inflection was the Israeli failed attack in Qatar on September 9th. | ||
| That really got Trump angry and disillusioned with what he saw. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Benn. | ||
| It's Thursday, 9 October in the year of Laura 2025. | ||
| Thanks for sticking around for the second hour of the late afternoon, early evening edition of The War Room. | ||
| I have to give a humble brag, I guess it is here. | ||
| That cold open was kind of a mini masterpiece. | ||
| Here's why. | ||
| With everything coming out today and all the flood of news and talk and historic events, right there in about 10 and a half minutes, you got the best summary of the key points of the signal, not the noise on everything that happened today in cable about the news. | ||
| Day Bratt, let's start in the Middle East. | ||
| And the last clip that my team polled was very about what this show is about is he laid out at the end of the day, Netanyahu had to act as a protectorate. | ||
| He had no options because Trump was the only guy they had. | ||
| He had literally lost the support, the overwhelming support he used to have in the United States, including on the Republican right, where, I don't know, under 35 years old, two-thirds of the kids just don't support it at all. | ||
| And a huge hunk of the Tucker, Carlson, Megan, Kelly, Steve Benn, and people that used to support Israel are not supporting this, this kind of greater Israel theory. | ||
| Give us your assessment of peace in the Middle East. | ||
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Let's start there, sir. | |
| Yeah, well, I think it's important to start out with the basics, and especially when you're talking about Christians and Israel and religion and peace. | ||
| This peace has been elusive, right, for 50 years. | ||
| And so, you know, in this country, I hope all of our Congress and Senate and the president is leading on this. | ||
| We need to aim for peace, right? | ||
| God's will is peace, not war, right? | ||
| Just picture the creation in the Garden of Eden. | ||
| There's peace. | ||
| In heaven, there's going to be peace, not war, right? | ||
| All the great biblical texts, you make this very clear in Isaiah. | ||
| There's prophecy about the lion laying down to the lamb and the wolf. | ||
| Jesus and the Beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew talks about blessed are the peacemakers. | ||
| The entire law, Jesus summarizes very simply, love God with all your heart, mind, and soul. | ||
| Love your neighbor as yourself. | ||
| Who's your neighbor? | ||
| The guy falling on the wayside on the road, injured, right? | ||
| Put some bandages on him, right? | ||
| So we're supposed to love, we're supposed to aim for peace. | ||
| So the warmonger class is not happy with this. | ||
| But Trump has been trying to achieve peace in the Ukraine. | ||
| Now he's got a first move on peace in the Middle East. | ||
| You know, there's seven countries involved in all this. | ||
| Boy, if this thing happens just in this narrow peace plan, it will spread, right? | ||
| And the goal has to be peace abroad. | ||
| We've spent, I think it's somewhere in the ballpark of $17 trillion on war over the last couple of decades alone, right? | ||
| You can think of Afghanistan and Iraq and all that. | ||
| So it's not just about money, but all that money should have been spent in the U.S. | ||
| Now you're seeing Oregon blowing up. | ||
| You're seeing Chicago blowing up. | ||
| These guys don't recognize the Article II powers of the president of the United States. | ||
| ISIS under the president of the United States is very clear. | ||
| They don't like it. | ||
| We have folks in our country now that don't want peace. | ||
| The Soros-funded NGOs, all the groups, it's becoming clear, right, that this money, this dark money is flying all over the place. | ||
| They don't want peace. | ||
| They want to blow up the United States of America. | ||
| So Trump has to handle this. | ||
| I think he's doing a great job. | ||
| This is the most important part, is to end all these foreign wars. | ||
| All the founders were very clear on these foreign entanglements. | ||
| None of them, right? | ||
| We're supposed to be guarding what's most essential to this country. | ||
| And those are the God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. | ||
| How do you remember, we've been probably the most critical of cutter in the Muslim Brotherhood. | ||
| And I would argue today with Antifa being designated as a terrorist organization, Muslim Brotherhood, which I think the only thing I fought harder for in the relation to the Middle East was moving the capital to Jerusalem in addition to trying to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. | ||
| The reality is the Arab nations have come together. | ||
| The Muslim nations have come together. | ||
| They see an opportunity in Gaza. | ||
| They see the one thing that the hardest core supporters of Israel always fought against was a two-state solution. | ||
| You're going to get a two-state solution out of this. | ||
| So as terrible as Netanyahu has run this war, right, the reality is you're going to get a two-state solution. | ||
| You're going to have limited involvement, I think, with Israel in Judea, Samaria, Samarra, and you're not going to, and the Iranians are going to join the Abraham Accords or, you know, somehow join this, white, somehow join this alliance because you've got Turkey and Qatar. | ||
| Turkey's going to head the security unit, it looks like, in Gaza. | ||
| So how can you say on one hand, look, I've been adamantly opposed Netanyahu and the Greater Israel Project. | ||
| And we said on this show from day one, when October 7th happened, which has never been explained to anybody how that happened, let's put a pin in that. | ||
| You had six months to take care of the military operation of Hamas, six months. | ||
| And in the first six months, nothing really happened. | ||
| The head of the IDF just came in in March, and he said until he showed up, nothing happened, or very little happened. | ||
| So how do you, President Trump's trying to weigh a number of things. | ||
| But one is he needs active involvement from the international community to make this work. | ||
| He's clearly got this. | ||
| Right now, Hamas is saying the war is over. | ||
| Looks like they're going to exchange the living hostages on Monday and Tuesday. | ||
| President Trump said he's going to go to Egypt, probably go to Israel, address the Knesset. | ||
| But how do you ally the fears of people that are saying, hey, this is actually going to codify the encirclement of Israel by kind of hostile Arab and Muslim nations, sir? | ||
| Well, thank God you have President Trump. | ||
| There's 20 points to this thing, and it's going to unfold logically. | ||
| Those points take place in sequential order for a reason. | ||
| Israel is going to be safe. | ||
| Thank God Trump's there, right? | ||
| He wants peace, but he is Romans 13 in the Bible. | ||
| He carries the sword. | ||
| He's there to enforce justice across the world. | ||
| And he wants out of war, right? | ||
| I hate to go back to past, but Biden and whatever, the CIA came out this week. | ||
| John Solomon reporting it's been on the war room. | ||
| Other presidents end up going into war because of their corruption. | ||
| They want to hide the corruption. | ||
| Let's just change things. | ||
| Look at Europe right now. | ||
| Germany, UK, and France are all going away from green energy because it destroyed them into Keynesian economic spending on the military to bail them out in the short run to maybe get through another election with Macron, et cetera. | ||
| So what's President Trump doing? | ||
| He's hitting it all right. | ||
| He's getting the economy running. | ||
| He's going to restore peace to Israel in the broader Middle East. | ||
| Those seven countries, the interest of the United States is to be at peace with that region, all seven countries. | ||
| And so we're going to look out for Israel in order to have peace in the region. | ||
| And, you know, I just, I'm struck. | ||
| I had another in the book of Numbers. | ||
| The Lord God, God says to Moses, tell Aaron and his sons how to restore justice. | ||
| And he gives Moses gives Aaron at council to seek peace. | ||
| The Lord make his face to sign down upon you and bring you peace. | ||
| That's how we're supposed to live together. | ||
| And so Israel is called to be that light in that region. | ||
| We're called, I hate to put too much dependence on President Trump. | ||
| The whole world is on his shoulders. | ||
| And so that's where the church, the Jewish religion, the rabbis need to speak up about peace. | ||
| How do you structure it? | ||
| The Catholic church, the Protestant church, the evangelicals, everybody needs to start thinking again, right? | ||
| We used to have great thinkers like Hobbes and Locke. | ||
| And the building blocks have to be put back in order. | ||
| What are the things we go to war for? | ||
| War needs to be the last, last, last resort. | ||
| Trump, even on the Iran bombing, you could see he was moving toward peace. | ||
| He wanted to do it through negotiation, not through bombing. | ||
| And then things got a little carried away, and the war folks are all beating the drums. | ||
| And they were still beating the drums last week even. | ||
| There was some of that stuff going on. | ||
| So this is miraculous, right? | ||
| You talked about miracles taking place in politics. | ||
| This is a stunning miracle. | ||
| And Trump plays hardball. | ||
| But if the result is peace throughout the world, God works in mysterious ways. | ||
| God works through providence. | ||
| Trump clearly, right? | ||
| I mean, you know, people, the left's heads are blown. | ||
| I heard some of the liberal commentators on the most liberal shows saying, if Trump does this, hats off. | ||
| He deserves the Nobel Prize for Peace. | ||
| So that is quite something. | ||
| And then if he achieves this, the momentum in this country is going to come full force along with, I think, in Chicago and Oregon, et cetera, because this is going to be a huge momentum shift in the psyche of the American people. | ||
| That if the religions can lay down their swords for a little bit, then why in the world can't we have peace in our cities? | ||
| Why can't our young kids in these cities have literacy rates higher than 12%? | ||
| It's disgusting, right? | ||
| We need to all love our neighbors ourselves, your neighbors, everybody. | ||
| That doesn't mean we're utopian. | ||
| We want the rule of law in place. | ||
| The law is there as grace. | ||
| The law was given to Moses as grace. | ||
| It's in the New Testament. | ||
| Jesus said, whoever changes one bit of this law, one dot, not going to go good for you. | ||
| On the other hand, he says the ultimate law is love. | ||
| And so we're aiming for the highest. | ||
| We're not utopians, but let's all get our religious houses in order. | ||
| Let's get the religious people voting. | ||
| I don't care what tradition you are. | ||
| You need to vote for peace and you need to vote for justice in the United States of America. | ||
| The stuff that's happening in Virginia politics and the language that's being used across the country by the left is disgusting. | ||
| They have proven with their own words. | ||
| They want rage. | ||
| They don't want peace. | ||
| They're serving their own ends. | ||
| A lot of it's paid for. | ||
| And so the church, it's incumbent on you to get your story straight and to build up the logic of the Christian faith again. | ||
| I'm going to come back to you tomorrow. | ||
| President Trump told Netanyahu in a call that's being reported that he said, look, you guys can't take on the world. | ||
| Basically implying that we can't, we're not going to fund you taking on the world, that you've got to figure this thing out. | ||
| And that was one of the key moments that led to this peace deal. | ||
| Before I let you go, we got a couple of minutes. | ||
| Ben Harner was going to join me. | ||
| And if you're an evangelical Christian or a mainstream Christian or Catholic particularly, you got to stick around. | ||
| What the Pope has done in the last 24 hours is unacceptable. | ||
| And we're going to deal with it with Harnwell and the details of it. | ||
| Last question for you. | ||
| I think it was Rubin, the legal analyst, does a pretty good job over MSNBC, although she's vehemently anti-Trump. | ||
| She talked about what we talk about all the time here, Dave, and you're a constitutional conservative. | ||
| She talks about President Trump's interpretation and her view of expanded powers of Article II of the executive branch in federal court in Chicago today. | ||
| They're arguing that very topic of which we talk about as commander-in-chief. | ||
| He's saying he's putting down a rebellion, an invasion, alien invaders that's led to crime, that the governor and the mayor are not enforcing the federal laws. | ||
| And he is federalizing National Guard from Texas and saying they're already on the ground. | ||
| They had fierce arguments in court today. | ||
| Give me a minute or two on that before you go to break. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's nothing new. | ||
| Everybody knows the power of the executive branch. | ||
| Article 2 has been expanding for decades. | ||
| And there weren't any question when FDR did it when Woodrow Wilson did it way back when. | ||
| There was no constitutional crisis from the left. | ||
| What the left cannot believe is that President Trump is using every single lever afforded to him underneath the executive branch. | ||
| And the power is given to you. | ||
| He's clothed in immense power back from the Lincoln movie. | ||
| He is clothed in immense power now. | ||
| And the left, they don't like it. | ||
| They're seeing how much power the presidency has. | ||
| Nothing new has changed in terms of the power. | ||
| It's just that the Republicans actually have a leader for a change, right? | ||
| We have someone who's wielding the sword internationally. | ||
| He's bringing justice back to the cities. | ||
| It's very clear when you have citizens attacking the police. | ||
| I don't see any excuse for that. | ||
| It's about that simple, right? | ||
| The mobs are spitting on the police. | ||
| They're ramming cars into the ICE agents. | ||
| I don't see an explanation from the left that's plausible there. | ||
| So there's nothing new that President Trump has to do. | ||
| Either we're a nation under laws or we're not. | ||
| And that really matters. | ||
| And we need the church is not equipped to answer these questions. | ||
| And that's a sad day where the church can't speak up about why the law matters civilly, civilly. | ||
| It's a disaster. | ||
| The news is so intense today on this historic day. | ||
| My Dave Bratt stories are going to have to hold for another time in another place. | ||
| We'll figure it out. | ||
| Dave Bratt, your social media, sir. | ||
| Where do people go to get all the economics of Dave Brett? | ||
| Economic thinking. | ||
| Yeah, most of it's in the Bible, but after that, you can go to Brad Economics on Getter or on X. Get your kids reading a good book. | ||
| That's the best thing you can do today. | ||
| The simple and compelling wisdom from Dave Brett. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| You're quite unique. | ||
| Still a pilgrim. | ||
| You're still pure-driven like Sir Galahad, slaying the dragons. | ||
| Gold at another ended up, I think, above 4,000. | ||
| It'll go up and back off a little bit, then go up. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Why are central banks buying it at record rates now for, I don't know, five, six, seven, eight quarters in a row? | ||
| It's just not a hedge anymore. | ||
| And we taught you how it's been a hedge. | ||
| It's become something quite different. | ||
| Philip Patrick and the team laid it out for you a couple of weeks ago. | ||
| Take your phone out right now. | ||
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| I might add that silver hit 50 bucks. | ||
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| It ain't the price. | ||
| It's the process. | ||
| Always remember that. | ||
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| We're here to teach you how to fish. | ||
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| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| With everything going on, I had to include this tonight. | ||
| And I thank our colleague over in our International Bureau in Rome for joining us, staying up late and joining us, the great Ben Hornwell. | ||
| Ben, with everything we've got going on, with trying to get peace in the Middle East, with this revolt going on about illegal aliens, whether it's in the government Schumer shutdown or in Portland, Chicago, all of it, in the middle of this, I think throwing gasoline on the fire is a guy I warned everybody about from the very beginning. | ||
| I told people this is exactly one guy, and this is not a audience doesn't have to listen to another Bannon, I told you so, but I'm going to go there with Bannon, I told you so. | ||
| This guy is bad as they get, maybe even worse, because he tries to put it on. | ||
| He's not as arrogant as Francis. | ||
| He's not as in your grill as Francis. | ||
| He's not as dismissive as Francis, but he's more dangerous than Francis. | ||
| And this is exactly why. | ||
| Walk through what the Pope has done in the last 24, 48 hours to really throw gasoline on this building insurgency that we have in the United States of America, sir. | ||
| Yeah, well, the Pope has inverted commerce, Pope Leo XIV inverted commerce, has published this week his first formal teaching document. | ||
| It's the lowest level. | ||
| It's an apostolic exhortation. | ||
| It's not an attempt to clarify dogma or anything like that. | ||
| But it is because he is accepted by most of the 1.4 billion Catholics on the face of the planet as Pope. | ||
| It carries massively. | ||
| But hang on, wait, hang on, hang on. | ||
| In our religion, in the Roman Catholic religion, he's the vicar of Christ on earth and in a direct chain of apostolic succession. | ||
| But I want to explain to our obviously broad evangelical and secular audience and Jewish audience exactly kind of what in the escalatory ladder of proclamations from papal bull all the way down to what this is, what it is, but still it's importance because it comes from the man, right? | ||
| This is not some opinion piece written in the Vatican newspaper. | ||
| It's not some opinion piece or some interview in one of the Italian papers that cover the Pope. | ||
| This is coming from him. | ||
| So walk us through exactly in the structure of pronouncements. | ||
| Where does this stand? | ||
| Well, let's start at the end and work back with, I mean, I think you'd probably find an op-ed in the New York Times or the Washington Post better written and better thought through than this. | ||
| This is basically an anthology of Pope Francis' greatest platitude. | ||
| It's not, I don't think, I don't believe, a tremendously well-written document. | ||
| Point one. | ||
| On the argument that he's the legitimate successor to St. Peter and has the valid apostolic succession. | ||
| I think that was, I think, a case of Bannon trolling Harnwell live on air. | ||
| We can have that debate at a later point in time if you want to do that, Steve. | ||
| Let's put it like this. | ||
| The guy is acknowledged, is recognized by the vast majority of Catholics as being the successor to St. Peter via apostolic succession. | ||
| Whether he is or not, I think it's fair to say the jury is still out, as it has been out since 1958. | ||
| But those are arguments that we can get into on another occasion. | ||
| For our Protestant brothers and sisters, for our evangelical friends, the apostolic succession is basically this. | ||
| The Catholic Church has a sacramental concept of priesthood. | ||
| And specifically the Catholics believe that every time a guy is, a man is ordained, exclusively man, is ordained, and the bishop or the bishops place their hands on his head as the formula for ordination is pronounced. | ||
| That hands putting on heads goes back all the way back to Christ's ordination of the apostles in an unbroken chain. | ||
| That is what the Catholic Church teaches. | ||
| Because, of course, the bishop who's putting his hands on an ordinance head, he himself, when he was an ordinant, he will have had the hands of a bishop placed on his head when he was ordained as a priest. | ||
| And then you have the consecration of bishops further along the line. | ||
| But the sacrament is ordination. | ||
| That's what the Catholic Church teaches. | ||
| And of course, amongst the sacraments that there are, two of them require jurisdiction. | ||
| That is to say, official legal sanction from a pope to be performed, matrimony and confession. | ||
| You can be a valid priest and celebrate a valid Mass, but you need to have the legal permission of a Pope to conduct, or the bishop that's delegated, the diocesan bishop. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| That's why the Pope is important in the Catholic Church, because it's not only the full authority of the teaching office, but also the full nature of what's called jurisdiction. | ||
| And so, in this, in this, Reuters, Reuters, hang on, Reuters and Erby's reporting in this, and it may not be a papal bull or proclamation of the church, it's an official thing. | ||
| He's ordering the U.S. bishops to basically get in the way of or stop President Trump's not just sealing of the border, but the beginning of mass deportations on illegal alien invaders to rid our country of it. | ||
| Is he not, sir, directly asking them to get directly involved? | ||
| Yep, he did that yesterday. | ||
| That's exactly what he did. | ||
| As you said in your introduction, he may not be as up in your face as Berg Goglio, his predecessor, Inverted Commerce Pope Francis, but he is. | ||
| As we said on the war room in the first 24 hours, he's more intelligent. | ||
| And the sign of that greater intelligence, Steve, is that he's more subtle. | ||
| And that is how he's confronting the democratic mandate of the present administration. | ||
| But hang on, but Harnwell, you've got Newsom in California, and you've got Pritzker, who I think is kind of a buffoon in Chicago and Illinois. | ||
| What they're doing and what they're saying to stir this up ain't nothing to what this guy just did. | ||
| I mean, the bishops, as much as we think they're feckless and hapless, particularly to the outside world, they think they're ordained with all this power. | ||
| But even inside the church, and particularly, as you know, in the church today, the one-third of the church that is hugely progressive, they just got marching orders from the guy. | ||
| They would actually say it's Bannon and Harnwell and that radical trad Catholic that the FBI was looking at under Chris Ray, that we said at the top of the show an hour ago, Chris Ray is now under criminal investigation. | ||
| Okay, and criminal investigations leaked out a DOJ about that. | ||
| That Harnwell and Bannon and Liz Yort and all these people are radicals. | ||
| They're really not in good standing with the church because they may believe the religious teachings of the Catholic Church, but they're certainly out of sync with the social justice message of the lineage that we've had in the last 10 or so years. | ||
| And this is going to be, this has right now, as much as in the morning show, I was all over Soborov and MSNBC, who I said should be investigated and shut down, stirring things up last night in Chicago in the streets by doing wall-to-wall coverage of the insurrection. | ||
| The same people that stirred it up on October 7th the other night in New York City when it's basically a Hamas festival, right? | ||
| It was a Hamas festival, and that's coming on November 4th to New York City. | ||
| The Pope's thrown in with them. | ||
| The Pope's thrown in with the neo-Marxists and the radicals and the jihadists that are trying to destroy, as President Trump so eloquently said, told the military, the enemy within. | ||
| He has come out on the side of the enemy within the United States of America. | ||
| Am I incorrect on any of that, Ben Harnwell? | ||
| What is taking place is that Leo, as well as like Francis before him, is turning the institution of the Catholic Church, especially in America, as effectively an enemy of the state, a subversive institution confronting the democratic and legal will of the state. | ||
| I draw back from calling it an insurrection, But effectively, that is what the instruction to the U.S. bishops is, is to tell them to frustrate the democratic mandate of this administration in kicking out criminalism. | ||
| You don't think invasions were holding it with that. | ||
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| With President Trump's, with President Trump's two and a half hour or three hour Antifa Designates terrorist meeting yesterday, what's happening in Portland, what's happening in Chicago, what happened in New York the other night, what Zoharn has promised in New York City, you don't believe right now, if you were talking to the president, you would tell the president it's actually not an insurrection that's going on in the United States? | ||
| Is that what I'm hearing from our Rome Bureau, sir? | ||
| What I was saying is that the institution of the Catholic Church in America is being encouraged by the purported Pope to resist and oppose and obstruct the lawful work of the government. | ||
| Yeah, and that is effectively insurrection. | ||
| That's another word for it. | ||
| Sedition, right? | ||
| That is another word for it. | ||
| Illustrating the legitimate and legal work of the government. | ||
| But there's so much here to understand. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| I'm going to let you unpack in a second. | ||
| But you and I are in agreement on that point, that what he is doing is seditious against the governing power. | ||
| Not that MAGA or Trump control the entire government. | ||
| We understand. | ||
| We're fighting the administrative state and the shutdown. | ||
| We're trying to take apart the deep state. | ||
| That's why Comey was indicted yesterday. | ||
| That's why now there's, as Julie Kelly tells us, there's a criminal investigation on Ray and other members of the deep state. | ||
| So not that we control the apparatus. | ||
| We're trying to. | ||
| We have a tenuous grip, although we won a blowout election in 2024. | ||
| But what the Pope's doing very subtly, very smartly, is telling the bishops to basically engage in seditious activity because what we're doing in repelling the invasion of our country, which President Trump has told us is an emergency, is going against President Trump's mandates as commander-in-chief of as outlined in his Article 2 powers in the Constitution, correct? | ||
| Yeah, that is correct. | ||
| It is morally seditious. | ||
| That's what's taking place. | ||
| And the tragedy is this. | ||
| Catholics are obliged on pain of damnation to go to Mass on Sunday, right? | ||
| To hear Mass said on Sunday. | ||
| I don't think that's the case with evangelicals or with Protestants, but that is the discipline, the fear that the Catholic Church, not fear, that's the wrong word, but that is the discipline that the Catholic Church imposes on Catholics. | ||
| You must go, and of course, you must tithe, you must give money to this institution. | ||
| The problem, Steve, to pick up one of your earlier questions of what is the ordering here of teaching documents, you have apostolic exhortation at the bottom, then you have encyclicals, then you have, say, dogmatic constitutions. | ||
| The tragedy here for Catholics is that they are caught in a very difficult position. | ||
| And it comes out from what we were saying on the Wednesday show this week. | ||
| My plea to Catholics, to traditional Catholics, is stop giving your obedience to bishops who hate you. | ||
| And the tragedy for Catholics is that we are obliged to go to Mass and to support the church. | ||
| At the same time, that the institutional church is taking political positions which are not binding on the faithful, on believers, and via the hierarchy, via the bishops, via the huge political weight that they have to impose that and to frustrate the American government, the U.S. administration, as if those were effectively obligatory positions, political positions. | ||
| We are not, right? | ||
| And I say this, right? | ||
| We Catholics are not in a cult. | ||
| When it comes to, though our leadership seems to behave as if we are, we have what are called on the prudential issues, we have the free choice as men and women of goodwill to work out for ourselves in the secular sphere the best way of arriving at the common good. | ||
| This is extremely important. | ||
| That is why, right, we are not in a cult. | ||
| A cult would be this. | ||
| The guy at the top of the pyramid says, thou shalt think this and act accordingly. | ||
| And that is exactly what the Novus Ordo Post-Concilia Church is. | ||
| It's a cult because there's no distinction anymore on these issues. | ||
| We as laymen have, it is our calling to renew the secular sphere, right, according to the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives us. | ||
| And we have this hyper-clericalism coming from the Vatican overriding this. | ||
| Look, on the issue of immigration or the invasion or how many people you should let into your country, whichever country you are, that is a decision for taxpayers primarily and society, the wider society, to decide for themselves. | ||
| That is not an issue for the church to come in and use the words and the name of Jesus Christ to back up that kind of authority. | ||
| That is, you know, when a Pope or so-called Pope behaves like that, Steve, it's very difficult to draw a distinction between the Catholic Church and, say, David Koresi out in Waco, in Texas. | ||
| There's very little difficulty. | ||
| How do you tell the difference? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| David, that is the problem that the Catholic Church has right now. | ||
| The so-called Pope is using his authority as being recognized as a Pope to undermine the teaching that comes down from Jesus Christ that it is his job to protect and to impose in its place a set of arbitrary communist political positions. | ||
| We got a bounce. | ||
| We're going to continue this conversation. | ||
| I wanted to go to the article putting up the article. | ||
| I want people to read these articles and go to your getter because you're the leading voice, I think, of reason. | ||
| There are many other good people talking about this, but you're tying everything together and doing an extraordinary job of it. | ||
| So where do people go? | ||
| Getter is my social media platform of choice, Steve. | ||
| If you think what I've said today is provocative on the show, just go to the top of my feed at Harnwell, which is my surname. | ||
| And I've got even more gratuitous and offensive posts waiting for your attention there. | ||
| And if you are interested in these things, Steve, do listen to our 6 p.m. show on the war room, where myself, Liz Your, Frank Walker, Jenny Holland, we digest these issues in great detail. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| The show is on fire. | ||
| It's just fantastic. | ||
| Last thing before I let you go, I got to bounce here. | ||
| We did warn people about this, and particularly the big fat cat donors in the U.S. that all were, you know, Prevos is a product of the church wanting their cash and wanting their support. | ||
| We warned people this was going to happen, not just in church teaching, which I'd say he's directly in the lineage of Francis, but also in Francis's radical pagan beliefs in his secular thinking on climate change and particularly mass immigration. | ||
| This is the way they break the nation state. | ||
| And we warned people, this is what Prevost was, and all we got was, oh, this is an overreaction. | ||
| He's going to be fantastic because he wears all the right vestments and he holds his hand the right way. | ||
| Nothing could be further from the truth. | ||
| One more time, Ben. | ||
| Where do people go to get your social media? | ||
| On get at Harnwell. | ||
| And I close with this point, Steve, because you hit your absolute this is the point. | ||
| Let us see now at the principal points of opposition within the institutional church and see how much resistance they give to against Leo or whether they will be bought off with the permission to celebrate the odd old Latin mass here and there. | ||
| I would suggest they're going to be bought off and only on the war room and Canon 212 and places like Chris Jackson are you actually going to find the authentic Catholic position. | ||
| The resistance. | ||
| Thank you, Ben Harnwell. | ||
| We're going to be back at 10 a.m. tomorrow morning. | ||
| It's going to be on fire be in the war room. | ||
| I'm going to leave you with our special that we are going to do on Saturday about the 250th anniversary commemoration of the United States Marine Corps. | ||
| See you tomorrow morning at 10. | ||
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