Oct. 3, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Today, Trump said he would be meeting with Vogt to discuss which of these so-called Democrat agencies to cut from while the government is shut down. | |
| As the co-author of Project 2025, Vogt has been wanting to reshape the federal government for years, literally laying out the steps to achieve the long-sought conservative goal of a president with dramatically expanded authority over the executive branch, including the power to cut off spending, fire employees, control independent agencies, and deregulate the economy. | ||
| And thanks to the president's shutdown, he and Vogt are working overtime to that exact goal. | ||
| As the New York Times reports to many legal experts, Mr. Vogt's work is a threat to the foundations of democracy. | ||
| One of the main sources of power that Congress has over the executive branch is the budget, said Eloise Paskachov, a law professor at Georgetown University. | ||
| If the executive branch isn't controlled by the power of the purse, then there is very little that will control the president. | ||
| The president literally turning on American citizens, calling them the enemies within. | ||
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It reminds me of during the Wilson administration during World War I, where dissent was criminalized, where it wasn't violence that was the concern from the Wilson administration. | |
| It was people who were speaking out against the president. | ||
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During that time, journalists were jailed. | |
| Newspapers were threatened and shut down. | ||
| Activists who were speaking out against the war were put into jail for long periods of time. | ||
| One gentleman served 10 years. | ||
| And the whole thing was about looking for the enemies within this country. | ||
| It sounds very similar to what the president of the United States not just says he wants to do, but is attempting to operationalize. | ||
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And I just want to shake people, Tim, because it's like, oh, baby, it might not be, it might not be maybe about to happen. | |
| We are living it. | ||
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And so folks have to be aware. | |
| But am I just, am I being dramatic? | ||
| We want to dismantle the phrase that Steve Mannon always uses, dismantle the administrative state. | ||
| Like that's what they're there to do. | ||
| That's what Doge was, and that's what Russell Vogt is there to do. | ||
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And I think the only difference this time is that they're trying to blame the Democrats for it, to do what they already wanted. | |
| You know, I'm not as good a reporter as Vaughan, so I didn't write the quote down, but Caroline Levitt this morning was out there and essentially said something to the effect of, like, the pain is going to continue until the Democrats have an agreement with it. | ||
| You want to listen to the sound? | ||
| Let's play, Caroline Levitt. | ||
| Look, it's likely going to be in the thousands. | ||
| It's a very good question, and that's something that the Office of Management and Budget and the entire team at the White House here, again, is unfortunately having to work on today. | ||
| These discussions and these conversations, these meetings would not be happening if the Democrats had voted to keep the government open. | ||
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Yeah, and she goes on from that. | |
| The point with that quote is it's crazy that they're just basically like, look, there's going to be pain. | ||
| We're happy about the pain cut up, but it's the Democrats' fault. | ||
| If they want to stop the pain, they have to come to the table. | ||
| They're just admitting that, like, the White House is just admitting people are suffering because of this, but they don't care. | ||
| I guess you've got to give them credit for the brazenness and for the, you know, for being candid. | ||
| But like, that's their position right now on the shutdown. | ||
| They want to cut these jobs, and they don't really care if people are going to be harmed by it. | ||
| Yeah, I think Stephen Miller is an unhinged nerd. | ||
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And I would venture to say that most law enforcement officers in this country don't take him seriously. | |
| And I want to say that saying things like that, while it is incendiary and it's disgusting and it's disgraceful, the policies and procedures that exist in American law enforcement agencies across this country at the state and local level are so ingrained in their officers that listening to a propaganda speech by Stephen Miller is not going to change the way that those officers, for the most part, conduct their business. | ||
| What I do worry about is that this is a advertisement or a promotional video for new hires, people that are coming into the career of law enforcement under this administration who see the brutality, who see the state-sponsored violence and are attracted to that, and hear things like, you are, you know, take the gloves off. | ||
| When they spit, we hit. | ||
| And, you know, you are unleashed. | ||
| That's what concerns me is the future of law enforcement in this country and what, you know, who is going to be attracted to that profession. | ||
| This is clearly unconstitutional, but there's a larger white supremacy issue that's at play here that gets lost in these constitutional details. | ||
| We used to think a lot, I remember talking with you about constitutional crisis. | ||
| When is that going to happen? | ||
| But we're actually dealing with a constitutional capitulation with this with this Supreme Court. | ||
| They're allowing these completely racist, unconstitutional practices to be able to move forward. | ||
| We wrote about this at this time because it was just a falsehood. | ||
| Literally in August of 2022, he went down to Florida and spoke at a Heritage Foundation event and said, you guys are going to be the ones writing the conservative foundation for a second Trump administration. | ||
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Those were the words of Donald Trump. | |
| And then he, the Heritage Foundation, along with the Center for Renewing America, which is the Russ Vogt started group, who he worked at that organization, we should note with Jeffrey Clark, who as folks may remember, was the co-defendant of Donald Trump in the effort to overturn the 2020 election. | ||
| Those two were working at that organization with others to build Project 2025. | ||
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And it was him that wrote down that, quote, many agencies are not only too big and powerful, but also increasingly weaponized against the public. | |
| And I think that Simone was making this point very, very clearly, that this is the moment that these guys have been working for to have the power. | ||
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I don't know how concerned they are about the midterm elections of November of 2026, because this is the moment that this conservative movement, the MAGA movement, led by people like Russ Vogt and the Heritage Foundation, have been waiting for. | |
| They got their majorities in the House and the Senate. | ||
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They got their man in the White House. | |
| They got their OMB director, Russ Vogt, who is willing to challenge legally what is constitutionally stipulated, that it's Congress that controls the power of the purse. | ||
| They found their moment, and they're going to do whatever it takes. | ||
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Really sort of consequences be damned here because this is the moment that they can change the American government for the way that they believe it should be run. | |
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
| war room here's your host stephen k band friday 3 october in the year of our lord 2025 If you remember those years in the wilderness, the years of 21, 22, 23, when we would have Russ Vode or Mark Paoletta or Jeff Clark on the show, Mike Davis, the viceroy, | ||
| when the building blocks of Project 2025 were being put together, it was discussed about the Article II powers inherited in the presidency. | ||
| Remember, the whole theory of the case is that he has these powers as chief executive officer of the United States government. | ||
| And that includes firing people and includes also impounding money, rescinding money. | ||
| Number two, as commander-in-chief, he has tremendous powers, untapped powers as commander-in-chief to impel invasions and to protect the national security of the United States of America, her sovereignty, her territorial integrity, and the citizens thereof. | ||
| And then, last but not least, of course, what has been kind of hived off since Watergate and the great Jeff Shepherd's analysis of Watergate being really the first instance of lawfare to drive Nixon from office and having the Rhino Republicans basically fold and allow him to be driven from office with lawfare is that the President of the United States is the chief law enforcement officer and the chief magistrate of the United States government. | ||
| This is what we've talked about, these Article II powers, or the theory of the unified executive, the unified executive theory. | ||
| Now, you've had also Russ Vogt, all this, the work and analysis on deconstructing the administrative state over years, embodied in Project 2025, which is 900 pages long. | ||
| And we've gone through it and gone through elements of it many, many times. | ||
| In the process of events, let's call it history, you have teachable moments and then you have something called a leverageable moment. | ||
| This is not a teaching moment. | ||
| This is a leverageable moment. | ||
| This is where everything concentrates of years and years of work, and you have an actual moment that you can do things that can't be reversed and can have a long-term impact. | ||
| Remember, conservatives, and the reason we don't call ourselves conservatives, is that they've been so feckless and hapless at actually making things happen. | ||
| For years and years and years, you've heard nothing, and you've supported and you've given money and you've worked, you've knocked on doors of people that wanted to limit government and said government's too big and government's a leviathan. | ||
| Yet in every Republican administration, it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
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And now we're in a crisis where you're having $2 trillion deficits every year. | |
| And the reason is you're spending $7 to $7.5 trillion and you're taking in $5 trillion, $5.5 trillion, maybe more because of tariffs now. | ||
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But there's a gap. | |
| The way to do this is you've got to take Leviathan apart. | ||
| Two ways you take it apart is programmatically, right, programmatically by stopping programs in the Pentagon or stopping programs on social welfare or stopping programs in corporate welfare that actually drive the cost down, but also personnel. | ||
| And one thing you know about personnel is not just the direct cost of personnel, what you're paying them in the retirement and all that, but it's also the costs associated with them just doing more things, right? | ||
| Which is what we don't want. | ||
| The MAGA movement are not anarchists. | ||
| We're not extreme libertarians. | ||
| We know there needs to be some aspect or part of an apparatus of regulatory state, particularly in things like antitrust to kind of stave off a growing concentration of corporate and government power. | ||
| But at the end of the day, it's about the deconstruction of the administrative state and getting out of everybody's business and basically thwarting your ability to thrive and have freedom. | ||
| Simone there used the example of President Wilson in World War I. | ||
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It's a great example, but Simone, you're making our point. | |
| President Wilson was a globalist, lied to the American people about getting into World War I, about what his intentions were, and then didn't want to brook any dissension. | ||
| Didn't want to brook any dissension from people who kind of were the beginning of the American First Movement and said, well, hang on. | ||
| Why are we sending troops over to basically save these monarchies? | ||
| Why are we getting involved in European wars? | ||
| Many of the arguments today about Ukraine, about why we shouldn't have zero to do with Ukraine, the people in the streets were trying to make those comments. | ||
| And of course, the beginning of the jackbooted administrative state was under Woodrow Wilson, the most progressive president, I think even more progressive in some aspects than FDR. | ||
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So Simone, thank you for making the point, but you're making our point, okay? | |
| There's two great pieces today that talk about what this is really about. | ||
| What this whole effort, because on TV and on the fire, you're just hearing, oh, it's on this and this. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is no doubt a concentration of power in the executive. | ||
| This is one of the things we've been working for. | ||
| It's one of the things we've been pushing the envelope for. | ||
| And Axios has done an amazing job of kind of putting that together of everything that President Trump's been working on, everything we've been talking about on the show for the last couple of months. | ||
| And so Mark Caputo is going to join us after the break to walk us through that. | ||
| And remember, Axios is kind of the conventional wisdom of Washington, D.C. If you go to Axios, you're kind of seeing the inside brain of how the apparatus thinks. | ||
| And they're saying, whoa, look at this. | ||
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This is what it's really about. | |
| That President Trump is concentrating power more than any president in the history of the United States. | ||
| And he's doing it systematically. | ||
| It's not just about personnel, but he's actually getting to the heart of the beast. | ||
| And remember, if we are able to pull this off now in this moment, this leverageable moment, it can't be reversed. | ||
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It's going to be very tough to be reversed. | |
| The smart people in Washington, D.C. know that. | ||
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And they know the Democrats walked into a tremendous trap. | |
| The feckless, hapless Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer have essentially walked into it. | ||
| And now it's time to close the trap. | ||
| Alex deGrasse has got an amazing analysis that someone's put up about the real cost of the illegal. | ||
| And there's not about illegal alien Medicare. | ||
| It's not about illegal alien paying for their thing. | ||
| It absolutely is. | ||
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This is what they decided to shut the government down. | |
| We're going to show you some startling math that cuts the legs out from the Democrats, the radicals. | ||
| It is a unique moment in history that years and years and years in the making. | ||
| A lot of people talked about it. | ||
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This is why Russ Vogt and the team at CRA that led up to this and Dr. Kevin Roberts and the team at Heritage and Stephen Miller's group and Brooks Rollins' group and Mark Meadows and Senator DeMint, CPI, all of these groups working in the years in the wilderness to put this plan together to understand that Trump could win the primary, come back and win the presidency, and then execute on this uniquely in American history. | |
| Days of thunder are with us, ladies and gentlemen, and we're going to walk through how Washington, D.C. looks at it, and then some of the math in back of everything. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to be back with Mark Caputo of Axios in just a moment. | ||
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| This is exactly what Russ Vote talked about. | ||
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I want to make the connection back to Russ Vote. | |
| Beyond. | ||
| This is beyond. | ||
| Russ Vogt talked about is overtaking the government and using it for partisan political purposes against our current laws and against the Constitution. | ||
| That's what's been happening as they slash federal agencies, as they fire workers. | ||
| You know, they've already fired 150,000 federal workers, right? | ||
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At least. | |
| Probably more than that. | ||
| So they're using the shutdown, and they're continuing to implement Project 25, and we just have to keep lifting up. | ||
| This was Donald Trump's plan all along, not to lower costs and make healthcare affordable for you, but to actually take over the government and become king. | ||
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I want to become king. | |
| I want to, didn't the two kings thing already flop? | ||
| I want to thank producer Cameron here. | ||
| The exquisite cold opening today, curated from hours of the left and MSMEC and CNN throwing their toys out of the pram. | ||
| It's a total and complete meltdown. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| They understand. | ||
| They have no leverage. | ||
| The Democratic Party's in total disarray. | ||
| They've walked into a trap. | ||
| And Russ Voch, who's been working on this for years and has a very detailed plan. | ||
| Now is the hour of action to pull a line from the first inaugural address of President Trump. | ||
| I want to bring in Mark Caputo, a White House correspondent over at Axios. | ||
| Hey, Mark, Zachary was a bassoon, has done an amazing job. | ||
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If we can put this out, and if Grayson Moe can make sure we push this, every war room posse member ought to read this today and then share it. | |
| The headline is: Trump charts path to total control amid government shutdown. | ||
| It's about Zachary Basu, who's a very, very smart guy. | ||
| And it literally is a consolidation of what we talked about on the show for months and months and months. | ||
| Can you walk through it? | ||
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You're a very astute observer of all things, President Trump, and particularly how the second term is rolling out. | |
| The first question I got for you is: how did the Democrats, in March, Schumer warned that this was going to happen in March? | ||
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He understood at the time, and he told these guys, hey, if you allow them to shut down, if we shut down the government, don't give them 60 votes, Vogue and Trump and the rest of that group are going to go through and start taking this thing apart. | |
| And we're going to have no leverage to stop it. | ||
| At that time, he got the 10 votes for the seven or eight votes they needed, and he got eviscerated by the Democratic Party. | ||
| Why didn't they heed the warning of Chuck Schumer that this was the trap that was set for them, sir? | ||
| I think part of it is the Democrats are looking at their poll numbers. | ||
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And in the generic question of the approval ratings for Democrats versus Trump versus Republicans, Democrats are doing awful. | |
| And that's in part because the Democrats' own voters think they're doing badly. | ||
| And I'm interpreting this now: that a lot of Democrat-based voters think that the Democratic leaders are weak. | ||
| And they hate Trump so much, and they hate to see Trump put points on the board and score W's and brag and strut that they want their politicians to fight him. | ||
| They just want them to fight. | ||
| I think another part of it is that they're online a lot. | ||
| All of us are. | ||
| And that elevates the voices who just want to see a fight. | ||
| And so it sort of, I know you like classical references. | ||
| This sort of reminds me of what the Spartan wives used to tell their husbands, come home with your shields or upon them. | ||
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That is either be victorious or die in battle. | |
| I think we're going to have some deaths in battle here because from my reporting, and maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm being misled, Donald Trump and his administration feel pretty good about where they are. | ||
| And their feeling is, well, we're Republicans. | ||
| We want to cut government. | ||
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We want to cut federal workers. | |
| We want to reduce the size of it to quote Grover Norquist from a long time ago, talking about he wanted to reduce government so that he could strangle it in a bathtub. | ||
| And that's starting to happen now. | ||
| Now, this is avoidable, at least in the short term, if eventually enough Democrats come around and say, okay, uncle, but Trump is going to probably, and I don't want to speak for him because, you know, he does stuff that sometimes defies our predictions. | ||
| He's going to make them cry, Uncle. | ||
| He's going to want to do that. | ||
| And I think the challenge for Trump is he doesn't want to look like he's enjoying it too much. | ||
| Mark, two things. | ||
| Mike Davis, the Viceroy, very close advisor of President Trump on the outside, Article 2020. | ||
| Article 3 project. | ||
| Article 3, Art of 33 Project. | ||
| But in talking about Article 2 in the Article 3 project, saying, hey, the expanded powers of Article 2 and take everything to its maximalist and logical conclusion. | ||
| Concurrently, you have a very close colleague of his, Russ Voted CRA for years, that puts this framework together of actually how you implement the theory of deconstruct the administrative state. | ||
| Now you're at a point, and this is why Zachary's, and everybody in this audience should read this and share it with their colleagues, because he walks through virtually every aspect of government of how President Trump is actually consolidating that power. | ||
| And I agree with you, the total power inherent in the Constitution under Article II. | ||
| Where do you think this goes? | ||
| I mean, the Democrats, this is why, how can they basically concede here by saying, well, let's unshut down the government? | ||
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Isn't this now, like I said, this is not a teachable moment. | |
| This is a leverageable moment. | ||
| This is something that's been worked on for decades or talked about for decades by conservatives, but actually practically worked on in detail since President Trump was driven from office in 2021. | ||
| So the logic here, if you continue on, is not simply a massive Trump victory or a massive MAGA victory. | ||
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It is irreversible what you can do through the federal government, sir. | |
| I mean, it's irreversible on the current trajectory, but trajectories change. | ||
| You know, not to be too heady about it and to sort of zoom out, as we like to say in Axios. | ||
| Congress is the superior branch of government. | ||
| It's the only branch of government that can pass law, pass bills, have them become law, impeach a president, they appropriate, they can tax, they declare war, they do all of these things. | ||
| However, Congress is doing sort of none of those things. | ||
| And in the absence of it exerting the power that the framers had imagined with the American governmental system, it creates a power vacuum because power exists. | ||
| And so you have the executive and the judicial branches that would fill this vacuum. | ||
| The thing is, is the Roberts Court is increasingly saying, hey, if you look at Article III, there's not a lot of enumerated powers there for the Supreme Court. | ||
| And there are a lot of enumerated powers for the executive branch. | ||
| So the Roberts Court is essentially devolving the power that had been created since the Warren Court and the like and saying these issues of Trump impounding money, rescissions package, all of these things, laying off workers, firing them, furloughing them, these are political issues that are for the political branches, the executive and the legislative. | ||
| And it's kicking that over back to the legislative and executive branches. | ||
| Well, the legislative branch is essentially unable to operate or unable to do things, and it's not checking the executive branch. | ||
| And so because of that, naturally speaking, whether it's Trump or not, because this has been going on for decades, the executive branch is getting stronger and stronger and stronger. | ||
| The difference here is Trump is just exerting this force in a way we've never seen before. | ||
| He's not just doing it in the courts. | ||
| He's not just doing it by executive action. | ||
| He's also doing it on social media and in the media as well. | ||
| It's just a full court press. | ||
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And institutionalists sort of have no idea how to deal with this. | |
| And I'm not sure I have much of a suggestion as well. | ||
| But to answer your question more specifically, where does this go? | ||
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The executive continues to get stronger and stronger until the legislative branch decides it's enough. | |
| Part of this, this is why the story that broke, and we had Ibitson on, Ross Ibitson from Daily Mail, the U.S. editor, because they broke this story about President Trump after the meeting with the generals and after Pete going to Memphis. | ||
| They had a team go to Capitol Hill and brief members of Capitol Hill about what they called the war. | ||
| They've declared war on the cartels. | ||
| Now, principally in the Caribbean, maybe Venezuela, but they call them non-state actors in Mexico. | ||
| That is so extraordinary because it is showing that they know that the House has the ability, right, or Congress has the ability to only, they have the ability, you know, to get to declare war, but to get in front of the War Powers Act, they went up and gave a briefing and said, hey, guys, this is what we're doing. | ||
| We just want to make sure that you're, we're not looking for permission. | ||
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We're just making sure you're in the loop. | |
| Is that a signal that the executive understands that the Congress is not the Duma, right? | ||
| But they're going to press it and push it as far as possible. | ||
| Clearly. | ||
| I think this, contrary to a lot of Trump's critics on the left, I think it still indicates that he is going to abide by some sort of norms. | ||
| And I'm just sort of guessing here why I probably shouldn't do, but to kind of put it crudely, my guess is Trump is probably sitting around like, okay, Congress is being a pain in the ass. | ||
| Let's send them a letter and let's stroke them by having a private meeting and telling them all this stuff. | ||
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But let's face it, Donald Trump signaled this at the beginning of his administration, this administration. | |
| He signed executive orders basically declaring a war on drug cartels. | ||
| And then he followed it up subsequently a month ago or so by explicitly stating that the U.S. military was going to be using military action to go after drug cartels. | ||
| And so there's really sort of no change between what you saw out of Donald Trump on January 20th and what you're seeing now from a policy perspective. | ||
| Now, what you're seeing on the ground, or better said, on the water, is something we've just never seen before. | ||
| You know, the number of ships, the armada that the United States government has in the southern Caribbean off of Venezuela is really unprecedented. | ||
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People have compared Donald Trump to Monroe, the Monroe doctrine. | |
| I think the New York Post even called it the Monroe Doctrine. | ||
| Hang one second. | ||
| I just want to hold you through a break because it's such an important point. | ||
| Just hang with us. | ||
| Mark Computo of Axios. | ||
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Alex deGrasse up next. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Max. | ||
| Take your phone out. | ||
| Text Bannon, B-A-N-N-O-N-989898, Ultimate Guide for Investing in Physical Gold in the Age of Trump. | ||
| Check it out and make sure you talk to the guys of Birch Gold, particularly Philip Patrick and the team. | ||
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Trying to get Philip Patrick on the show for tomorrow. | |
| See if we can work it out. | ||
| And Pessuba's going to join me at 11. | ||
| We're going to talk for seven hours on Sunday, the 250th anniversary of the United States Navy, a couple weeks early, but this is how President Trump fits into his schedule. | ||
| President Trump's going to go participate in a major naval exercise off the Virginia Capes. | ||
| And Real America's Voice in the War Room will be live from 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time to 5 p.m. to cover it all. | ||
| We're going to have tons of guests and talk about sea power, the history of the Navy, the future of the Navy. | ||
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As Mark Caputo is talking about, we have an armada right now. | |
| People in the old days might say it's gunboat diplomacy, but it's enforcing the Monroe Doctrine against non-state actors, I might add, as President Trump said. | ||
| He's going to continue to push the envelope on all these things. | ||
| Is he not, Mark? | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| Yeah, where I was going is people are comparing him to Monroe. | ||
| I think he's more like William McKinley from the Spanish-American War, which just made sure that American hegemony was supreme in the hemisphere. | ||
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And I think what we're going to see not just on the domestic front, but also on the foreign policy front, is a much stronger executive exerting its power, United States exerting its power in the hemisphere as well. | |
| You can see that even in the Argentina situation. | ||
| Caputo, we'll have you back on to discuss this. | ||
| I know being a guy from Miami, you know the Caribbean and South American central how important it is to this to this country and to peace and prosperity. | ||
| Sir, where do people get you? | ||
| And I got to give a hat tip. | ||
| This article in Axios is an absolute must-read and a must-share. | ||
| And I think it outlines very succinctly what is actually going on. | ||
| It's pure signal, no noise, sir. | ||
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Well, that's what we try to do at Mark A. Caputo on Twitter, which is mainly where I'm at. | |
| I'm sorry, I need to get on Getter. | ||
| I have too many platforms. | ||
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And at axios.com. | |
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Let's do we have the I've got to play the Jake Tapper Hakeem Jeffries total meltdown. | ||
| And DeGros, DeGrasse is here to explain it all to you and how bad the math actually is. | ||
| So the Democrats really have nowhere to retreat to. | ||
| Let's go and play the Jeffries and we'll get deGrasse in here. | ||
| So let me ask you about a provision that the Republicans are talking about quite a bit. | ||
| I know you want to talk about, and Democrats want to talk about, extending the Obamacare subsidies, which expire at the end of 2025. | ||
| But they talk about the provisions, and it's right here, subtitle E, and this has to do with the repeal of health care subtitle changes and specifically what it is. | ||
| How they characterize it is, you want to give health insurance to undocumented immigrants. | ||
| I understand that's not really an accurate depiction, but what it does do is it's a lie. | ||
| It's a lie. | ||
| But what you support does bring back funding for emergency Medicaid to hospitals, some of which does pay for undocumented immigrants and people who don't have health insurance. | ||
| And also there is this provision, and it's not about undocumented immigrants. | ||
| It's about people with asylum seekers and people with temporary protected status, et cetera, et cetera, but about their ability to get Medicaid. | ||
| So they're non-citizens. | ||
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They're not undocumented. | |
| They're not illegal. | ||
| Why even include that in a bill knowing that they're going to seize right upon that and use that's a message? | ||
| What we're doing is fighting to protect the healthcare of the American people against the largest cut to Medicaid ever. | ||
| 14 million American citizens are going to. | ||
| As deGrasse told us, he just goes on. | ||
| It's a word salad. | ||
| It's a meltdown. | ||
| He was not prepared for CNN actually to ask a question and back it up with a document. | ||
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DeGrasse, and deGrasse, I might add as we get into this, I think it was what your great, great, your family. | |
| It's so ironic. | ||
| We're off the Virginia Capes this weekend on the 250th anniversary of the United States Navy with the president out there with a carrier battle group. | ||
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And it's just going to be amazing when your family essentially saved the American Republic by the great battle you were part of. | |
| Your famous part of the French Navy off the Virginia Capes that basically drove the British Navy, the World Navy out and would not let them relieve Cornwallis's army at Yorktown that led to the end of the American Revolution. | ||
| So we're going to have you on on Sunday to commemorate that because I'm going to go into the whole history of the Virginia Capes. | ||
| DeGrasse, you've got an analysis you sent me. | ||
| It's actually more shocking than I thought. | ||
| I don't know how the Democrats worked their way out of it. | ||
| I'm going to just turn the floor over to you. | ||
| And if you walk through, folks, this is another thing. | ||
| We've had these individual charts put up on a Twitter feed that's just magnificent. | ||
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But you get this too. | |
| And this weekend, if anybody gives you any crap about the shutdown, you get up in their face with math. | ||
| Alex DeGrasse, the floor is yours, sir. | ||
| Alex, I think you're on mute. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| And the key, obviously, in Chesapeake Bay was that we kept them, right? | ||
| And forced them to surrender, of course, not allowing them to leave, which they tried to retreat due to the combined ground forces of the Americans. | ||
| But so on this, Steve, this is critically important because this is the weeds. | ||
| This is sort of the battlefields here. | ||
| The one beautiful big bill, one thing it did do, right, was it sort of gutted this and put in the requirements for on Medicaid services going to citizens. | ||
| That is like the ultimate meltdown for these people, Steve. | ||
| That's why this is what they've decided to die on the hill for, right? | ||
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This is this is their line in the sand. | |
| This is what they are shutting down the government over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So there's a line item that they want to repeal. | ||
| And like the RNC and the Trump campaign has been posting like the direct quote that is in their proposed continuing resolution to keep the government would be to repeal that. | ||
| And so you've got something called emergency services Medicaid, right? | ||
| Emergency Medicaid. | ||
| And the key number is, and that's like you go into the hospital, they don't ask questions, they just pay for it essentially, right? | ||
| And word had gotten out that illegal immigrants can just go, go to an emergency room, kind of wave the flag, and just literally get free health care. | ||
| And that number, Steve, went from in 2023, went from $4 billion that we know of, okay, emergency services for undocumented aliens. | ||
| And by 2024, it got to over $9 billion nationwide. | ||
| Again, that's just what we know. | ||
| When you dig into the numbers further, Steve, I think California accounts for 71% of the entire country's emergency Medicaid services, Steve. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so it's like totally bizarre world. | ||
| You go from 1.6 up to 6.4. | ||
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They've even established, you know, California and New York both have quote-unquote state funds. | |
| They claim, well, it's state spending, not federal, but all the money's mixed in a pot. | ||
| It's flooding into these cities, these, and everyone's getting rich off it, Steve. | ||
| The hospital, sorry, the doctors, the whole system. | ||
| I mean, as I've worked to uncover this, it's like one of the most powerful lobbies in this country is this sort of healthcare lobby that's getting absolutely rich off of all of these services to illegal immigrants. | ||
| And they are going absolutely ballistic, whether it be about the bill or about the shutdown and forcing this issue. | ||
| And so when they say it's not about illegal immigrants, it literally is. | ||
| And it has exploded the spending again that we know of. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's just, it's really a sick thing. | ||
| People have to be aware of what's happening in this country. | ||
| You have to question your local politicians at the state level. | ||
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And we need to hold the line at the federal level because we have to stop this once and for all, because it's an absolute abomination, Steve. | |
| New York is the same way. | ||
| New York. | ||
| New York, exactly. | ||
| 1,400%. | ||
| No, that's why they sanctuary. | ||
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This is why they're sanctuary cities and they draw it because the illegal aliens or even the people on asylum TV, they're off the grid. | |
| This is where they go for their health care. | ||
| But not only is it a cost that's exploding, people are making money on taxpayers exploding, but it's actually destroyed the health care for American citizens. | ||
| You can't go to an emergency room anymore. | ||
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It's absolutely packed. | |
| Where do you go? | ||
| You have all these private little clinics, stuff like that. | ||
| Well, they all sprung up because the emergency rooms are basically taken over by illegal aliens that the citizens that can't get in are paying for. | ||
| This is what President Trump is saying. | ||
| Hey, it's not simply America first. | ||
| We have to get to American citizens first. | ||
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American citizens have to be taken care of first. | |
| And here, and this is why without illegal aliens, right, the Democratic Party doesn't exist. | ||
| This is why AOC and Mamdani run the Democratic Party now because they're the basically voice of the illegal alien invading population. | ||
| And this is why Shermer is so panicked about it. | ||
| This is a hill they have to die. | ||
| This is a hill that Sherman and those guys have to die on, right? | ||
| They know that if they can't give it up, they just can't wave it and say, okay, fine. | ||
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Let Trump and the Republicans reverse it. | |
| Then they're done. | ||
| This is why this trap that was set is absolutely perfect. | ||
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And it shows the American people exactly what's going on and the forces in the Democratic Party that are working against the working class in this country's interest. | |
| Alex deGrasse. | ||
| That's exactly right, Steve. | ||
| And, you know, look at your hospital, look it up online, go to the FEC, type in their name, look if they have a PAC. | ||
| Hospitals are one of the Democrats' biggest funders, healthcare, hospitals, the whole economics of it. | ||
| I mean, in New York State, millions and millions of dollars have flowed into Cuomo's campaign when he was governor, obviously Hochul's campaign. | ||
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And it's one massive feedback loop on this illegal immigrant, you know, Medicaid thing. | |
| I'm sorry, people are going to be upset I'm saying it, but it's totally out of control. | ||
| There's a massive, massive economic of scale across the country on this illegal immigrant healthcare system. | ||
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It has to stop. | |
| We need, because look, Steve, one time I got sick, I had to go somewhere I couldn't go in. | ||
| I was worried. | ||
| I went to some walk-in clinic. | ||
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It was like a weird thing. | |
| Then I get charged an emergency room price when I just went to some walk-in clinic. | ||
| I mean, this stuff is crazy. | ||
| Americans are getting absolutely ripped. | ||
| And to know that there are people just getting, you know, free health care, free this, free that. | ||
| I mean, you look at Momdami, he's open about it. | ||
| And that's the new dynamic, right? | ||
| He's like, hey, $100 million here to defend their legal rights, $100 million here. | ||
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Some independent journalist was just asking illegal immigrants in the street in New York, hey, are you an immigrant? | |
| Do you get free health care? | ||
| And they said, yeah. | ||
| They're like, yeah, we all get free health care. | ||
| I mean, I have no idea what's going on. | ||
| This stuff is wild. | ||
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And I think as more people learn about it, which I do think is what is happening during the shutdown, because people are kind of wondering what's going on, you know, and that's why the shutdowns, you're able to kind of bring forth an issue and possibly win on it, hopefully, which I think we are. | |
| I think we just have to continue to hammer the fact that, hey, this is a massive economic situation for them. | ||
| This is massive corruption. | ||
| All of Americans are getting absolutely ripped. | ||
| And we're spending billions of your money, Steve, of our money on illegal immigrants. | ||
| And they say we're not. | ||
| This is how good it is. | ||
| I didn't have time to play it. | ||
| Maybe I'll have time this afternoon. | ||
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Elizabeth Warren, who's probably the best they've got because she was a bankruptcy lawyer for explaining these things. | |
| They asked her the question last night. | ||
| I think they held up the document. | ||
| It was some guy from CNN or somewhere. | ||
| She melted down. | ||
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They can't answer it. | |
| They just melt down. | ||
| She starts talking about rural hospitals and reimbursements. | ||
| It's all gobbledygook. | ||
| You give them the language and they melt down. | ||
| They can't answer it. | ||
| And they're so furious with the mainstream media for actually asking the question that I think the Republicans have just done a great job of messing this. | ||
| And there's no need to have a meeting. | ||
| There's nothing to negotiate. | ||
| We're never going to allow that. | ||
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And if that's what you're going to do, then I guess we're going to be out for a while. | |
| And this, I think people just had to dig in and say, and that's why folks, you need these charts over the weekend, just put it up, particularly if you've got a family member that's going to say Trump's awful. | ||
| Trump's the worst. | ||
| He just wants to be king. | ||
| Just put it up in their face that we're not paying for illegal alien Medicaid, Medicare, whatever you call it. | ||
| We're not paying for free health care for illegal aliens or anybody's in that group. | ||
| The people coming over, the phony asylum seekers, the TPSA guys, all of that. | ||
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DeGrasse, I know you got to bounce. | |
| Where do people go? | ||
| You're putting stuff up on your social media all the time. | ||
| Where do folks go to get you? | ||
| Yeah, just real quickly, Steve, it's really important. | ||
| When you look at what Republicans' top line number is for Medicaid in this bill, when you remove the illegal immigrants, when you remove the fraud, which is 10, 20% estimated conservatively in some areas, you're actually talking about a net increase in Medicaid spending for American citizens, Steve. | ||
| That's the important thing. | ||
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So Republicans, I tell people, no, actually, we've increased Medicaid spending, but okay. | |
| But for the who actually need it. | ||
| So I'm at DeGrasse 81. | ||
| We have to push back on this on all fronts. | ||
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This is really the hill they've chosen to die on, and fine. | |
| Let it be. | ||
| So DeGrasse81, I'm on Truth Getter, X, the whole thing. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| And your town's huge, so I would love to talk about that because they don't teach it in schools much. | ||
| You're going to join us on Sunday and talk about the battle off the Virginia Capes that saved the besieged Americans. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| Thank you, DeGrasse. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| Mary Holland next on Pfizer. | ||
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| A couple of things. | ||
| Mary Helen's going to join us about Pfizer in a moment. | ||
| The President of the United States. | ||
| So we're live from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. at least, 5 p.m. | ||
| It may go longer if the ceremony goes longer. | ||
| A full day in commemoration of the Navy's 250th birthday. | ||
| And we're not, obviously, sailors are maybe not the best at marching. | ||
| So it's not going to be a marching parade, but what you're going to get is a massive naval exercise off the Virginia Capes. | ||
| Jack Basobic, you're going to join me in a few minutes, is going to be with the president. | ||
| I think Steve Gruber is going to be actually Ford deployed on one of the vessels. | ||
| We're going to have guests all day long, including during the naval exercise. | ||
| So I explained it all to you. | ||
| You're going to have a great time. | ||
| This is going to be special, of course, being a former naval officer, surface warfare officer. | ||
| This is, you know, when Rob and Parker talked to me about this, said, look, we've got to do this and do it right. | ||
| So the whole Real America's Voice team is turning out big time for this. | ||
| President Trump has just announced that 6 p.m., so 6 p.m., which will be after the naval exercise. | ||
| He's given a deadline, 6 p.m. looks like Eastern Daylight Time for a Hamas. | ||
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You the Greed of the Deal or I think to quote President Trump, all hell is going to break loose. | |
| And that would be coming on to the second anniversary of 7 October in the horrific attack by the Muslim Brotherhood against Israel. | ||
| So this is going to be quite a weekend. | ||
| We're going to be around. | ||
| We're going to do the Saturday show. | ||
| We're going to be here with you all day Sunday once again. | ||
| And Then obviously, if things start to light up Sunday night, we'll be with you Sunday night. | ||
| So it looks like some activity. | ||
| The President of the United States has just given an ultimatum to Hamas. | ||
| Said, look, I put this deal together. | ||
| United the Arab world got Netanyahu kind of unwillingly to agree and go along with this because it's not his plan. | ||
| Everybody understands that. | ||
| He's agreed that if you stick to the plan President Trump's laid out, they're kind of going to be in. | ||
| And he's told Hamas: no more games. | ||
| 6 p.m., you got a deadline, 6 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time. | ||
| You're in or you're out. | ||
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And if you're out, that's fine, but all hell's going to break loose. | |
| You're not going to get a free pass on this. | ||
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No free option. | |
| Mary Holland. | ||
| The President of the United States, not just in getting Bobby Kennedy in the campaign and then emerging kind of the Maha and MAGA movements, and we understand that those two movements combined are unbeatable in American politics. | ||
| But the toughness of the confirmation hearing, this audience being all over it, and then all the good news that kind of came out about vaccines and kind of the logic of our movement, the Maha part of our movement. | ||
| And then President Trump having the extraordinary and quite frankly breathtaking presentation in the Roosevelt room where he sat there about autism and not just Tylenol, but he said the little babies. | ||
| And it was very heartrendering to see the little baby with the vat of stuff they're going to put in it. | ||
| And President Trump said, I'm going to stake my presidency on getting to the bottom of this autism situation and what we're doing here. | ||
| And then, so I'm sitting there going, man, this is, he's out Bobby Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy. | ||
| I mean, this thing is rocking and rolling far greater than putting Malone in his ACIP, which was all great, but now Trump's taking personal, not just giving them air cover, Trump's in the lead tank. | ||
| And then we had this thing with Pfizer the other day. | ||
| And so I am totally and completely cornfused. | ||
| Megan Messerly from Politico did a good job of kind of laying out the facts, but can you tell me, can you frame this for me? | ||
| Because I don't know what's going on now. | ||
| Well, I think it is confusing, Steve. | ||
| You know, I think President Trump is known for sort of double games, and I think we've seen part of it. | ||
| So what they announced is that Pfizer is going to invest $70 billion in the U.S. Pharma is allegedly bringing $500 billion towards manufacturing in the U.S. Trump said that he's creating this Trump RX where drugs would be much cheaper for Americans. | ||
| They'd get most favored nation status. | ||
| So we wouldn't be paying many, multiple times more than people pay in Western Europe or Canada. | ||
| All that's essentially good news to people. | ||
| But Albert Borla, the head of Pfizer, says, you know, we're going to be manufacturing vaccines. | ||
| We're going to be going against cancer. | ||
| We're going to be going against obesity, things that are related to these COVID shots that we know were responsible for the deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of people around the world and in the United States. | ||
| You know, Pfizer knew that the vaccines did not cause, did not stop infection or transmission. | ||
| Pfizer has an incredibly long wrap sheet of false advertising, misbranding, adulteration. | ||
| They've paid billions of dollars over the years to the U.S. government in fines. | ||
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So it was troubling to see President Trump wrap himself up with Albert Borla at Pfizer. | |
| A public-private partnership with Pharma is exactly what's been the corrupting influence on regulators. | ||
| So it was troubling. | ||
| We don't know any of the details, Steve. | ||
| Many groups, including ICANN Public Citizen, have already put in requests for freedom of information. | ||
| What are the details of the deal here? | ||
| It's not quite clear. | ||
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How do people go? | |
| Where do people go on your site to get more information about this? | ||
| Because I want to kind of flood the zone so people understand what's going on. | ||
| Because the part about what Borla said is the part that confuses people. | ||
| And are we still in the mRNA business? | ||
| And what's, I know we got reports coming out, et cetera. | ||
| So I want people to be fully up to speed with all the information, where they go. | ||
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Thank you, Steve. | |
| I want people to sign up for the Defender. | ||
| It's free. | ||
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It comes out every day, Monday through Friday. | |
| It is outstanding, accurate, well-sourced, cited information. | ||
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So we just did a piece on this. | |
| So go to children'shealthdefense.org, no apostrophe, and then click on Defender and sign up for a free subscription because we are at the forefront of this. | ||
| We are tracking what's happening in DC. | ||
| We're tracking what's happening with HHS, with the president. | ||
| And we've unpacked this. | ||
| This is not the radical transparency that Secretary Kennedy and President Trump have promised us. | ||
| It's not. | ||
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And we're not happy about it and we're standing on top of it. | |
| Well, we just got to get it, make sure people understand that. | ||
| The conference, talk, you've got 30 seconds. | ||
| Give me the pitch for your conference. | ||
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November tonight, November 7th to 9th, Austin, Texas. | |
| Sign up on our website. | ||
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Steve Bannon will be there. | |
| We're totally excited. | ||
| It's going to be a great conference. | ||
| Two senators, lots of scientists, doctors, activists. | ||
| Please come. | ||
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Let's roll, folks. | |
| Let's get that up. | ||
| Mo and Grace, so we can put that up. | ||
| Everybody, we want a big turnout in Austin, Texas, the weekend of 7 November. | ||
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