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WarRoom Battleground EP 861: “Trad Catholic Inc.” in shock as “Pope” Leo confirms he’s just as non-Catholic as “Pope” Francis
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Good evening, Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's war room.
Packed pack show for you guys today.
Coming up, we'll be discussing the Louisiana defropped priest who was just been arrested for raping a 10-year-old boy, disabled boy, uh, in a wheelchair with autism.
We will be discussing President Trump's invocation of St. Michael, the Archangel, what that might mean.
We'll also be discussing a senior appointment in the Vatican for the Pontifical Academy of Fine Arts, where Pope Leo has appointed a strong LGBTQ advocate.
But that's not only where he's undermining of Catholic Catholic doctrine is taking place right now.
Liz, your you have the latest on this astonishing interview that Pope Leo gave to EW10 and EW10 correspondent.
It was a spontaneous thing.
Before we break it down, why don't we uh have a quick look at exactly what Pope Leo said in his own words.
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With Cardinal Supic um giving an award to um Senator Durbin, some people of faith are having a hard time with understanding this because he is pro or rather he's for legalized um abortion.
How would you help people of faith right now?
Decipher that feel about that, and how do you feel about that?
pope leo xiv
I'm not terribly familiar with the particular case.
Um I think that it's very important to look at the the overall work that a senator has done during, if I'm not mistaken, 40 years of service in uh the United States Senate.
I understand the difficulty and the tensions, but I think um as I myself have spoken in the past, it's important to look at many issues that are related to what is the teaching of the church.
Someone who says I'm against abortion but says I'm in favor of the death penalty is not really pro-life.
So uh someone who says that uh I'm against abortion, but I'm in agreement with the uh inhuman treatment of immigrants who are in the United States.
I don't know if that's pro-life.
So they're very complex issues.
I don't know if anyone has all the truth on them.
ben harnwell
I'm gonna come to Frank in just a moment for his response, but let's start with you, Liz.
This is absolutely astonishing on so many different levels.
Here you have a man recognized as Pope.
Let me put it like that, a man recognized as Pope.
The success to St. Peter, the earthly guide of the the the Catholic Church making this claim that and there's so many things, and you could basically have the whole show digesting what he just said word for word, but basically saying, or literally saying, that if you are anti abortion, uh but pro-death penalty, you're not pro-life.
And if you are anti-abortion and anti-invasion, you're not pro-life.
There's a huge mix-up between what the Catholic Church teaches as faith and morals and what the church teaches as a prudential issue.
For the non-Catholics listening, Prudential issues are those issues where Catholics of good faith can disagree.
They just they agree on the fundamental aims, um, but they're legitimately allowed uh diverging opinions on how to get there.
Classically, the immigration policy would be considered prudential, that is to say, to individual Catholics in good faith to decide how and what, if any, that level of immigration should be.
Whether you support the death penalty or not, I think might be prudential.
Abortion is absolutely not prudential.
But what you cannot say is that um that the death penalty is against Catholic teaching.
Liz, why don't you sort of take a step back and explain where we might have heard some of these ideas before that Leo exposed there in almost word-for-word perfection?
Where have we heard these ideas before?
And what does that mean for the future direction of this papacy?
liz yore
Well, first of all, I think this is uh Leo's who am I to judge moment.
That's what I think.
You'll recall when uh Francis was asked a question about um homosexual um behavior in the clergy, and he said, Who am I to judge?
I would call the headline of this scandal, Leo exposed Supic burned, and Durban canceled.
Um, you know, Bishop Purpaki, who actually was one of the 10 bishops who said that this award brings a scandal to the church, had no idea that this was going to bring scandal to the entire global church when Leo decided to weigh in, and he walked right into it.
Um, and I think the Catholic Church needs to wake up.
This is a very revealing teaching moment.
Leo knows darn well what's going on in the American church.
And I thought it was very interesting, wasn't it?
When he said, I'm not terribly familiar with this case.
And then he began to list all of the things that he knew about the case.
He knew that Dick Durbin was a senator for 40 years, he knew his position on the death penalty, he knew that Durbin was a big advocate of open borders and illegal immigration.
Um, I would argue, you know, check out Leo's blink rate when he starts responding to this question.
He dug himself into another bernardine seamless garment moment.
And the outrageous moral equivalency of arguing that abortion and euthanasia are equal to the death penalty and illegal immigration is outrageous.
And calling people who support the death penalty that they're really not pro-life.
I mean, look at the overall work of Dick Durbin.
He received a hundred percent favorable rating from Planned Parenthood, supporting laws that um uh would not provide assistance for born alive babies who were the victims of abortion, and he's calling this a complex issue.
I don't know if anyone has the truth of them, is what he said.
And we need to find a way forward to for the Catholic Church.
Look, I mean, this is absolutely outrageous.
And he is saying, he is saying we need to dialogue on this issue.
Remember, this is a favorite word of Leo's dialogue.
And um, for example, in my opinion, um abortion and illegal immigration aren't the same because unborn children in the womb cannot dialogue on their behalf.
Unborn helpless children in the womb are murdered by suction or scalpel mutilation or poisoning.
They can't dialogue.
The illegal immigrants are not only given free lawyers, they're given um a paid trip back to their home country.
And you know, unborn children in the war womb aren't given a jury of their peers, like people in death penalty cases.
Unborn children can't appeal their sentence, they can't protest, they don't have public defenders to advocate for them.
Frankly, it is the uncatholic, it's uncatholic for Leo to even attempt to make these Weasley UN arguments, these Weasley satanic arguments by Joe Bernardine, who not only pushed the um this agenda, but um was a sexual predator.
Um, you know, we have to start talking truth to power.
And um look, Leo walked right into it.
Um he has nobody to blame himself.
I mean, the timing on this is quite interesting.
Had he waited a few hours, um, the the agreement, this you know, award was pulled ultimately because of the fire storm that it created in America.
Had Leo waited a few more hours, it would have been a moot point.
Um, but look, Leo is a card.
ben harnwell
But he didn't but he didn't wait.
He rushed in and um he left this, he he put a flag down.
I mean, of all the liberal progressive, you know, uh, national Catholic report uh type platitudes he didn't come out with the only one in his in his in his uh response there was that you know you guys, you pro-life guys only care about babies before they're born and you don't care about them.
The moment that's the only thing he didn't say going through his list.
Um Frank Walker, let me ask you now this, because you spend a lot of time in fact, I think you are the point guy uh that I that I would certainly highlight who goes through religiously what all of the Catholic media are um uh are up to and their breaks and their analysis on this.
Tell me one thing, because there had been a couple of people coming out, uh Bishop Strickland, um, who's removed by Francis.
Let's see whether um in Texas, um, I think it was Texas, wasn't it?
Uh, let's see whether Leo uh gives him his diocese back.
Um but you had a a couple of people coming out and going quite heavily on Cardinal Supic for this this award on uh for Senator Dick Durbin.
Um and you had a lot of trad ink in the media doing so as well.
Um and then Leo comes out.
This is the guy we're supposed to be not judging.
This is the guy we're supposed to be waiting to see how the papacy gonna unfolds.
Give give him time to get his feet under his.
He comes out and gives Cardinal Supich the most vociferous, full-throated endorsement on on everything.
What are the people who just been criticizing exactly the same declarations against Cardinal Supic going to do now that uh Publia who's come out and and repeated it?
They're in a somewhat of a quandary now, right?
frank walker
Well, they they haven't uh had a hard time crying about it.
They're they're saying things like disgusting, disgraceful, that they've all turned all of a sudden they've turned on Leo.
And I think that that hopefully they get that they're gonna stick with that.
They're gonna keep telling the truth.
But it's amazing how far that Leo has fallen because they painted him as a Catholic, they painted him as sort of like I know a Pope Benedict Catholic, and now uh perhaps it's a it's uh it's a mistake on his part, perhaps it's bad politics,
but because this happened at the in in conjunction with this Cardinal Supic, where they made such a strong defense and and in uh of Catholicism at the same time, it puts him right there with Cardinal Supic, who is one of the most despised bishops among Catholics and in the church.
I mean, there's others that are maybe despised uh almost as much as certainly others as despicable as Cardinal Supic, but he's he's the one that is the one who'll step out there and do what he did with with Carl Durbin.
Remember uh when with um Senator Durbin when they were trying when the the when they were the uh USCCB was having their meeting and they're trying to make pro-life a preeminent part of their of their uh position, he fought them tooth and nail.
And so now here he is, this Pope, who's supposed to be um more Catholic, and he's actually turning out to be.
I think I don't think that it's so much a mistake.
I think it's purposeful.
I think he's angry about what they've done with with a Supic.
I think he is a Supic, and he's teaming up with him, trying to throw some clout, put some weight behind what Supers is in the face of all of this this um Catholic pushback.
So uh I think that from now on, people are gonna know that Leo is, and and all this these traditional writers are have to know that Leo is a Supage.
He's the Supic Pope.
Not only he's completely on the same position, and and he's different than Francis in that he has said doctrine can be changed by attitudes.
And here he is now, a week later from that interview saying that I'm not really sure, but this is this isn't you're not pro-life if you I'm not really sure about illegal aliens, but you're not pro-life if you're for the death penalty.
That's not church teaching, that's against Aquinas himself.
The death penalty protects lives.
He never considered that.
You know, it it this is a uh this is a disgrace, like uh like uh but on that point on that point.
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ben harnwell
On that point, Frank Walker, what exactly does he mean when he says that Americans should search together for the truth on ethical issues?
frank walker
Well, I know uh Cardinal Subit's respondent with a big long letter because uh Dick Durbin has pulled out of that event at the same time, everything's happening at once.
So he pulled out of the event and in a two-page response.
Uh he ends Cardinal Substance ends with saying, Well, we need more synodality.
We need more, we need some of that synonymity in order to make Leo's change of doctrine and the attitudes that must precipitate it happen.
Obviously, you people need more synodali.
What we need is Catholic leadership somewhere in the church.
We need uh a leader, uh a pope who actually expresses that I mean, doctrine hasn't disappeared.
There's still a billion people out there that believe it, and uh but these guys are pretending that they can change it, and that's not gonna go over.
All that's gonna do is destroy the Catholic Church.
No, we don't need any more synodali.
And this is a great example of what synodality is all about.
It's about death.
ben harnwell
Um Franks stand by because we're gonna come back now to you to break down some other developments in our little corner of Christendom.
Um, but I just before handing over before before before we do that.
I um I want to highlight an analysis on everything that we've just been speaking about by uh Chris Jackson.
I know we mentioned him from time to time uh on the war room on this slot on this 6 p.m. slot.
Um I just want to one quote the real betrayal is that traditional media kept their readers from seeing this Pope Leo intervention coming.
They knew it, they hid it, they mocked those who spoke up.
Every single person in this article is someone that we would have put a question mark.
Thanks, Denver.
That's the article I'm talking about.
Um every single person listed in this article is someone that we that we the war might have said, just pay attention to these guys because they're more interested in conditioning the news for you than telling you the news and letting you make your own mind up.
And they're doing this because of the the grift implications.
The only person in this article who's named in a positive sense, um, is Liz Yore.
The war room's very own Liz Your.
Um, and that's because here on this war room, we have within the first 24 hours been alerting and warning people to exactly what this um what this pontificate represents and why Leo was chosen.
Um and I say, as I said last Wednesday, I'll say it again.
The three sources I think are the warroom, Chris Jackson, and of course, Canon 21 to Frank Walker's very own website, which I do very strongly recommend you folks as a as a go-to source every day.
And I look at it myself every day.
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So moving on with the show, one of the headlines that I saw this week, which which shocked even me.
And I you know I thought my beady cynical eyes had seen it all.
There is a priest here, former priest, defrocked priest here in Louisiana, who has been arrested for raping, repeatedly raping, starting when he was age 10.
A disabled boy in a wheelchair with autism.
Frank Walker, tell me about this case and is it really as horrific as it sounds?
frank walker
Yes, it is quite horrific.
I question whether uh I mean how uncommon these kinds of things are actually, but when you read about it, it's just awful.
It's this uh priest, Father Mark Fort Mark Francis Ford.
He's no longer a priest, but he uh he um had uh a group founded for to help disabilities and through this disability group, and this is the kind of thing that you've seen before with um uh Jane Vanier and Jimmy Saville, people who have groups of children that they that they care about and they have this it's sort of to protect their their proclivity.
So he yeah, when he was 10 years old, he met this boy and he had sex with this boy.
He's um you know, he has a spinal, uh deteriorating spinal condition, and he's also somewhat autistic.
He is classified as a juvenile permanently.
Now he's 31 years old, for I think for 16 years he molested this boy.
And uh somewhere along the line in this article it says that he left the priesthood, but they don't say why.
And then he went into the government.
I'm not sure if he I don't think he was a priest necessarily when he went into the government, he started with the Democrat Blanco government in New Orleans, and then with Bobby Jindal's government when he was governor, so it didn't make any difference, and he's supposedly part Indian, and uh so he moved into helping both, you know, indigenous people and and uh and uh um and disabled children.
But uh if you look at the picture of him, it's quite striking.
Um, because he's he's needs to be extradited from I think from Indiana to New Orleans.
But the look on his face, he does not look sorry.
He looks like he's got such it's sort of a frightening attitude to see the look of this guy's face.
He's charged with first degree rape, second degree kidnapping, sexual battery, and indecent behavior with a juvenile.
And uh, and and this is all in the context of this big um uh new orleans bankruptcy case, and they're they're replacing now they've 230 million dollars they've offered in bankruptcy, and we talked about this before uh at your show, but they they're replacing Archbishop Amon, who has a history of accusations in his seminary that are also gruesome.
The the bishop, the archbishop, they're being replaced with Bishop Chechio, who is a McCarrick, another McCarrick bishop, who Leo has put in place, you know, more evidence.
This guy, this guy ran the pontifical North American College, which is like the bishop making college where 10% of the of the students were had aides, you know, and and he's and he worked together with McCarrick, and there's just a lot of stuff on Chechio.
He's not gonna be, he's not gonna be any good, and it's all part of the same thing.
ben harnwell
The reason Frank Walker that that we that we uh mention these developments these stories um on the show is not to create scandal, but to warn faithful Catholics that the people who who um ordain these men, the bishops who ordain who choose these men, specifically these men for ordination, they sift out all the all the good guys with strong Catholic faith.
They say, No, you can't, we won't make you a priest because you're too rigid.
The people that they go ahead and ordain, these people, right?
These bishops, these are the people that expect us to docile, docally, submit to their authority.
Um That's why we mentioned these stories on the show.
Not to create scandal, but say to the Catholic faithful, these are the people, the men that expect us to docally submit to their authority, have been doing this, enabling this, covering for this for decades, for decades and decades and decades.
And that's why we on the war and say that we have to take the governance of the laity needs to take the governance of the of the Catholic Church out of the bishop's hands and into into the hands of um of well-formed believing laity.
Because we will certainly stamp this sort of thing out.
Frank, moving on, I know we we've got um we've got uh a break coming up in just a couple of minutes, but I do want you to, if you can, just tell us what happened in my beloved.
There are so many horror stories, but we're not gonna have time for the for the for the one in Switzerland, sadly.
But my beloved homeland, there's a guy um in in a in a riot in Birmingham, uh, who was saying who the F is Allah?
Now you might not approve of the language, you might not approve of the swearing.
Um, you might not approve of being deliberately provocative provocative towards another religion.
But what has happened to him in the UK, Frank Walker?
frank walker
Well, he's been he's been convicted of uh insulting Islam, which is uh sort of like what they um call blasphemy laws.
So he he was in, he was certain they said he was a leader of the rally, he's a big burly guy, he's a paver or a tarmacker, they said, and he uh, but uh he you know there are people throwing things, there are people waving sticks and hurling they called missiles at people.
There but he he's only he only was yelling at the police, and this who the F is Allah is recorded, and this is what they got him on because um, you know, that is illegal.
I don't I don't know if it would work the other way because you can't pray in front of abortuary, even silently in the UK.
Uh, I I think that these laws are all one-sided.
Um yeah, and he was very sorry in the in the court, you know.
But I wonder, I wish that his testimony could actually say what he thought because what are they supposed to do?
And why are my question is why are these things happening in this country?
I know it's because of the crime, but I think they're looking and they're saying we have to yell at the police because we have no justice.
And and they're Islamising our country, and they can see now what it's gonna become.
And I I think it's like it's like this stage back from a war.
ben harnwell
So the the the background of this is that Nathan Poole, who's uh as you say, uh uh a 32-year-old tarmac layer, just like that is to say a blue collar worker, regular guy, has been jailed for 30 months.
Folks, he has to be a guy, a working guy protesting in Birmingham, which has a huge ethnic minority, majority, um, has been sent to prison for 30 months because he said who the F is Allah.
Um that's where we are in the UK now.
Um it is it is a Sharia state.
That's it.
If you are implementing using the secular laws of the land to protect and defend the integrity of Islam, that makes it uh Sharia state in all but name, because they have the arithmetic, um the Muslims have the arithmetic, and the Catholics and the Christians, the evangelicals in the in the UK are so few in number now.
Um we we don't even create a ripple when it comes to legislation.
There are no blasphemy laws to protect Christians when you have these great art installations, and we'll talk about that um just after this break.
But you have these art installations which are clearly blasphemous, clearly um outrageous and designed to generate social media engagement because of their provocations towards figures that Christians esteem in holding great revenues like Jesus Christ, like his blessed mother, the Virgin May.
Um there are no blasphemy laws to protect Christians there, but blasphemy laws are yes to protect Islam from offense.
That is the modern day United Kingdom.
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ben harnwell
Welcome back.
Well, last week, something that I said created a lot of discussion on X that I noticed.
And it wasn't very complimentary towards myself.
It was referring to Charlie Kirk wearing a medallion of Saint Michael the Archangel.
And I happen to say that I think this is the work of the Holy Spirit that evangelicals, some evangelicals, obviously not all, some evangelicals are finding some spiritual consolation in the traditional Catholic devotionals.
And they ripped me a new one on X. They said, Han, well, you don't know what you're talking about.
No evangelicals are getting any sustenance from these from your from your popish magical amulets and all the rest of it.
But I still but I but I hold very much to this.
I think the Holy Spirit is at work.
And I think it's beautiful to see that some evangelicals are getting some spiritual riches out of the traditional Catholic devotionals.
And I'm perfectly happy for this to be a two-way relationship that Catholics can also be enriched by some certain um evangelical practices.
I say that as a former Protestant, I think the evangelicals do do certain things better than Catholics.
And that we would be stronger if we were able to um to uh to learn from evangelicals.
Um and this is something that I've long thought that the problem with ecumenism over the years, over the decades, is has effectively been it's been the Catholics who don't believe a word of their faith getting together with Protestants who don't believe a word of their faith, producing meaningless, unreadable declarations about how much they all hold in common.
Well, of course, they hold lots in in common, principally that neither of them, none of them believe any words of their own faiths.
It's just a grift, it's just a shtick that they use to put a roof over their heads and food on the table and um social reputation of being in the clergy.
Uh but there's no real faith there.
And what I would like to see is traditional Catholics.
Um the ecumenism I would like to see is traditional Catholics coming together with believing evangelicals, uh, especially in the public square, especially to fight on uh for the issues of um that are important to Christians.
Um that's something else I would actually.
I would I as I was saying uh in the first part of the show, that we need to take the management of the laity, the Catholic laity needs to take the management of the Catholic winning of the Catholic Church into its own hands from the bishops.
Uh and the other thing I would like to see, one of the other things I would like to see is is an ecumenism where traditional Catholics can embrace conservative evangelicals.
And I have no problem when evangelicals say, all you Catholics, you're all going to hell.
I don't have any problem.
I respect that.
What I what what I don't really like are evangelicals who will sit on their hands and say, Oh, no, we don't want to upset Catholics.
And Edem, Catholics should should have courage as well.
Um in X positioning the laying out the the why we believe what we believe.
Um that I think is something that we the laity can do because our hired hireling shepherd uh leaders certainly aren't going to help with that.
So why am I um why why that introduction?
Well, on the back of everyone on X saying, Hanwell, you have no idea what you're talking about.
No, No evangelicals are drawing sustenance from um Catholic devotionals.
President Trump uh put out a message on the feast of St. Michael, the archangel.
Um, I'm not gonna say that President Trump is doing this, and therefore all evangelicals should follow his line.
Uh I don't really know how substantial a believer President Trump is.
I certainly think the Holy Spirit when President Trump is doing things to advance Christendom here on earth.
I certainly think the Holy Spirit is working through him.
I think that is that is absolutely clear.
I I think when um that bullet missed President Trump by a mere whisker in Butler, Pennsylvania last year.
I think that was the Holy Spirit at work.
Um Liz York, tell us then a bit about what President Trump said about about Christians.
I don't even see the word Catholic in here uh in his statement.
Uh tell us a bit about what he said about St. Michael the Archangel, why it's important, uh, why Catholics think it's important and with the greatest of really what I was just saying, the greatest of respect and openness towards our evangelical brothers and sisters, why they might find it um important as well.
liz yore
Yes, I was personally astonished by this statement from President Trump.
Um like to read a portion of it because I think it's very compelling.
Um, for those of us, you know, my work in child um protection, Saint Michael has been an integral part.
I began to learn about him, pray to him daily um to protect children.
Um and so for me as a Catholic, uh my devotion to Saint Michael is very great.
And also I think so I was thrilled to see this, but this is what President Trump issued on the feast day of St. Michael the Archangel.
Today I salute the millions of Christian believers in the United States and around the world observing the feast of St. Michael the Archangel.
According to sacred scripture, when the devil rebelled against God in heaven, Saint Michael and his legion of angels cast Satan down to earth, triumphantly asserting God's sovereignty over all creation.
For 2,000 years, Christians have looked to St. Michael the Archangel for protection, strength, and courage in times of conflict, distress, and doubt.
And in 1886, nearly 140 years ago, the Pope Leo the 13th, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, fearing for the future of the Western world, introduced the legendary prayer to St. Michael, which is still recited to this day in churches and homes and after masses all across the nation and throughout the world.
And then he re lists the prayer.
Um I think you know, for those of us realizing kind of reading the tea leaves, all the conflicts around the world, all the conflicts in our country, seeing you know the face of evil day in and day out on the news.
Um, and you know, certainly many people in their families struggling with um these battles, both personal and otherwise, that St. Michael has been a crutch, um, an inspiration, somebody that we can turn to in these times, which you know clearly need um the protection of the angels.
We all, you know, many of us, both Christians and Catholics certainly believe in our guardian angels to pray to our guardian angels every morning.
Um, so I think this is a very compelling message from President Trump.
Um, and you know, frankly, you know, this is here we are ironically coming from you know uh a secular, I guess Christian in the White House, um, extolling a beloved saint in the Catholic Church.
Um, when you know we're talking previously about um, you know, the quote-unquote vicar of Christ who is promoting a secular agenda.
So, you know, the irony is quite great.
Um, but I would encourage both Christians and Catholics to read and study um about St. Michael's.
I know many people that are not Catholic have asked me to pray to St. Michael for their own troubles.
I mean, they've asked me to pray rosaries.
I know this has happened to many Catholics.
I mean, so I I believe, despite what you see on social media, um, that Christians and Catholics reach out to each other, both in prayer um and in support.
And this is certainly a powerful figure and devotion that I would encourage, especially now as we face all the challenges in the world, that we um learn St. Michael's Prayer, um, and that those Catholics that aren't saying it after mass, this is something, you know, this you talk about the lady.
This is something that the lady can do once mass ends, to just on your own start praying loudly the St. Michael prayer.
And it does catch on.
I've seen it in many parishes.
ben harnwell
It's it's um this is totally unpredicted, I think, of the um out of the Trump phenomenon that we're seeing a figure here um who has done more, I think, to unashamedly defend the presence of Christianity in the public square, probably I don't know, than any other president um for two centuries.
liz yore
Yes.
ben harnwell
And becoming and becoming and and and and when he puts out statements like this, um, and and and he's nobody like we've we've seen the memes with uh with president the AI design memes of President Trump in the full paper or Schmutter rights, which are very amusing, but really uh uh Donald Trump is nobody's idea of a of a traditional Catholic icon.
And yet, when he pushes out pr um uh congrat congratulatory um statements like this.
I didn't say anything, by the way, for as you're saying this, I didn't say anything myself, uh uh similarly put out by um by uh Pope Leo, uh, but but I might have missed that.
But when he does that, he's becoming in himself uh a point of unity between Catholics and traditional Catholics who look to President Trump as being the political point of inspiration, and also evangelicals who look to the same President Trump for as the as political inspiration.
Um and he's he's putting out these statements.
I'm actually this is the Holy Spirit.
I I really do.
I really do.
No one else could have put out the statement like this.
I'm I'm gotten away with it, and not been pillowed by either side.
I think it's a beautiful thing that he's done.
And I mention again that Charlie Kirk, who is definitely becoming the cornerstone.
I I think is the I've seen his referred to as the third American revival now.
Um after his martyrdom, he was wearing the the um a medallion to Saint Michael, the archangel.
And my message then, therefore, to all baptized of all of goodwill.
Um, just that there's a spiritual richness in some of these things.
Um you might be evangelical, you might even be Catholic and say, I would know you know, I wouldn't even think about wearing a devotional.
But these things are um they are um they are having a renaissance, and I think that is the Holy Spirit's work.
And I think the Holy Spirit is working through President Donald Trump on something like this.
Um where he puts out um uh the the this statement.
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Staying with Pope Leo the 14th.
He's just made an appointment of Christiana Perella as the new head of the Pontifical Academy for Fine Arts.
An appointment that some people are calling scandalous.
Frank Walker, tell us a bit about this appointment and why uh why is it getting some people so concerned?
frank walker
Well, I mean, it's it's completely outrageous.
Uh, I read about this a couple weeks ago, and it was just shocking because it came that what I was reading came with the photos.
Uh, Christiana Parella is the new head of the Pontifical Academy of Fine Arts.
And uh she um uh she's a uh she's sort of a pornographer.
And in 2019, she had an external called Night Fever, which supported gay uh claims in 2000 and 2020, she depicted naked bodies, some of them uh in homerotic poses.
In 2021, she had posters of adult films, and this is what I remember.
I mean, this is like this is graphic pornography.
That's what that's what her art is.
You when you think of the Vatican uh fine arts, you don't think you don't think of this.
And in 2022, Francis appointed her to the Academy of Fine Arts.
This is just a promotion for her.
Now Leo has made her in charge.
Um it's just if you could if you can see the photos uh of what this lady actually promotes, and it's supposed to be coming out of the Vatican.
You the you think of a Vatican which is just sort of a rotting corpse full of worms.
I mean, that's what this is like.
That's what a shocking person this is.
And it and and you know, with uh Leo has pushed a lot of of women in high places, nuns in high places, and with them come all these new kind of pathologies from from a feminine perspective, and it's it's just more of the same.
And it this that this piece of Rarati Chely has to do with with um the softness of Trad Inc.
because that's sort of a Trad Inc.
site, and I the way that they handle it is I completely the opposite uh uh of how you would want to handle it.
They they say that it's a decision that cannot be exempt from our reservations.
We uh uh there could be some problem of governance on the part of Pope Leo.
He's just being too pressured too much by the gay lobby.
He Pope Leo is a gay lobby.
Um, you know, what price unity?
You know, these are the things they're saying.
They should be exclaiming outrage at this person.
Uh um it's just unbearably mild, and uh but this is the issue.
ben harnwell
It's it's exactly the point.
This is exactly the point.
This is the winning theme of today's show.
Faithful Catholics do not give your docility to these people, not not to your bishops, not to uh to your to your cardinals, and certainly not to the Pope, because these people do not have your your faith, a faith that you love, the faith that you cherish.
Um they do not have these things at heart.
All in fact, all they're trying to do is undermine this.
Liz, just give me uh 90 seconds.
Uh, your reaction to this appointment.
liz yore
Sure.
Earlier in the show, we were talking about truth being assaulted by Leo, and that he was undermining 2000 years of the truth of the Catholic Church and the dogmother church.
Now we have the assault on beauty.
We saw that last week when the LGBT um scandal in St. Peter's Basilica, where they walked in with LGBT paraphernalia and blasphemous t-shirts.
This is the attack on the Catholic Church, everything that the church stands for, truth, beauty, and it's being assaulted, minimized, erased by the new Sonatal Church.
The new Synodal Church is the promotion of the LGBT eroticism, and this is it on display.
And they are becoming part of the secular world.
They are embracing the secular world.
So none of this is surprising.
It's all strategic by the Vatican.
And these appointments are going to continue to shock and be absolutely undermining the faith of 2,000 years.
So hold on to your hats.
I mean, this is this is very troubling.
And you know, as a woman, I'm insulted that he um hires these women to promote this pornography and debasement of the of the arts and culture when we have 2,000 years of magnificent art and culture and music.
And what did we see?
We saw last week.
We saw Bam Bam, the Thai uh rap musician in St. Peter's Square with the vile le lyrics of you know, clips, another rap um group.
Um, so they are the Vatican is embracing the lower base nature of man, and uh we're gonna see it continue under this uh Leo.
ben harnwell
Folks, you heard it there, right?
That that is the synthesis.
Leo Vatican is coordinating a full frontal assault on truth, goodness, and beauty.
But the the point you you you mentioned, Liz, I think is that is absolutely perfect.
If it wasn't, if it wasn't obvious from what these people had done to the liturgy of the last sixty years with the assault on beauty, now they're making it explicit.
Now that folks, they are giving you no wiggle room to claim that you can't see what's going on.
This is in your face, pornography in the Vatican, masquerading itself as art.
This is your ready people go on social media to keep up with your analysis.
liz yore
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ben harnwell
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ben harnwell
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