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Sept. 25, 2025 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 4805: The World's Worst Bet Globalization; Autism Round Table

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david j lynch

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mike davis

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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified		Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
unidentified		Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The people have had a belly full of it.
unidentified		I know you don't like hearing that.
unidentified		I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen.
unidentified		And where do people like that go to share the big line?
		MAGA Media.
		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
		Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
		If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
		Thursday, 25th September, Year of Our Lord, 2025.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we've got even more to cover in this hour than last hour, and we're going to have an interruption as the president of Turkey arrives.
unidentified		They're going to be a bylaw, and I'm sure the president is going to make a few comments and maybe take a couple of three questions from the Oval.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So we'll go to that.
unidentified		And I've got Mike Davis, the Viceroy, coming up.
		Also, we're going to go to the Maha Institute today has the roundtable about autism, the vaccines, all of it.
		It's going to take place from 5 noon to 5.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're going to cover it all live.
unidentified		We're going to have a pregame if we can fit it in, and then post-game at 5 o'clock.
unidentified		So just stick around.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get all this done.
unidentified		But one thing I've wanted to do, I've had actually an in-studio interview scheduled before the Charlie Kirk assassination.
		So we delayed it.
		But it was important enough for me that it's a book that is extraordinary and an author that kind of had a ringside seat.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You know, Gibbons wrote the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, but he did it many centuries later from his interest in going back to Rome as a young man and seeing all what had once been a great civilization and wanting to write about it.
unidentified		This is not the decline and fall.
		This is the rise and fall.
		It's called The World's Worst Bet.
		It's written by David J. Lynch.
		I could not recommend this book higher to get you up to speed as quickly as possible about this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You just heard my rant on H-1B visas, as you hear every couple of days.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's all part of globalization.
unidentified		David, can you just, I just want to toss it to you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Just give your background.
unidentified		You've kind of had a ringside seat for this, and you do the rise and fall.
		And it's extraordinary.
		It's an epic tale.
		I mean, it almost reads like a novel, right?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's an epic tale of just people, some who are well-intentioned, some are not, who just made decisions and got us in a situation where it didn't work for people.
unidentified		And now we're kind of in a populist nationalist uprising that we're very proud to be one of the major platforms for.
unidentified		And that's why I want people to read this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So just, how'd you get the idea for the book?
unidentified		What's your background in it?
		And just talk to us about it.
		Well, first, thanks for having me on.
		You know, I was struck a few years ago on the sidelines of one of the G20 global summits, which was a very messy affair.
		Nobody was really getting along.
		Vladimir Putin didn't even show up.
		Xi Jinping proved kind of prickly on some key issues.
		And it struck me at the time that this was not at all the kind of harmonious environment that the architects of U.S.-led globalization had anticipated back at the end of the Cold War.
david j lynch ▲ ● ▼		You remember the so-called end of history by Francis Fukuyama, the idea that democracy and free markets were spreading around the world as sort of the natural end state almost of human evolution.
unidentified		And, you know, I lived through that as you did.
		And I'll confess I was kind of part and parcel of that conventional wisdom.
		And it seemed like, why not?
		You know, anybody who lived through the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the dissolution of the Soviet Union on Christmas Day, of all things, in 1991, it was easy to think that, you know, happy days were here again.
		And we were going to end up with more and more globalization, more and more trade liberalization, and the result would be widespread shared prosperity here at home, but also a more peaceful world abroad as authoritarian nations like Russia and China opened up their political systems and joined a U.S.-led international order.
		And of course, that's not where we've ended up.
		And I try to tell that story through the eyes of a half a dozen or so representative Americans, you know, a worker, a venture capitalist, a couple of presidents.
		And I think it is the economic story of our time.
david j lynch ▲ ● ▼		I think it's important to understand what's worked and what hasn't worked over the last 30 years so that we're better positioned for what comes next.
unidentified		Let's go back to that time in the 90s because you had a guy I work for.
		I didn't work directly for him.
		He kind of ran the trading side of the firm.
		Steve Friedman ran the investment banking side and Bob Rubin ran the trading side.
		But when I was at Goldman Sachs in the 80s, you had Bob Rubin and Bill Clinton.
		Because that kind of is the point of initiates this.
		Clinton, their concept of globalization, and particularly this bet that everybody had that liberal democracy and free market capitalism had actually won and that these other cultures and societies and everybody would just do it because Wall Street and the global corporate community thought it made sense.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when I was at Harvard in the 80s, like I said, that was West Point Camp.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You got stamped out as a globalist.
unidentified		It was like an immutable fact.
		It was like the second law of thermodynamics.
		There was no debate.
		It's just, here's the way to do it, and here's how you perfect it with supply chains and labor that can go everywhere, capital that's borderless, et cetera.
		So take us back into the book in this concept of the decade of the 90s and the personalities that really were the initiating event.
		It was a heady time.
		And you go back now and you read what some of the main policymakers of the era were saying from both parties.
		And many of the quotes have not aged well.
		And I think of Bill Clinton as sort of the godfather of U.S.-led globalization.
		And I think he understood the pros and potential cons better than anybody, certainly articulated it better than just about any other American politician I can think of.
		And he always warned at the time, well, he said a couple of things.
		He said, you know, globalization is a fact, not a choice.
		And I think he was referring there largely to the impact of technology.
		But he said, you know, this is going to be a good thing.
david j lynch ▲ ● ▼		It's going to make the society wealthier and more prosperous overall, which it did.
unidentified		But there are going to be distributional effects.
		There's going to be so-called winners and losers.
		And that's okay because the winners are going to do so well that some of their gains can go to help the quote-unquote losers, the folks who otherwise might be left behind.
		And we're going to make sure they get all the assistance they need, retraining, relocation, whatever sort of support might equip a basic factory worker to fully participate in this brave new age.
		We're going to make sure they get that help.
		And as I say in the book, it was an attractive theory.
		And for a while, it looked like it might even be true.
		But the problem was it never happened.
		It never happened under multiple administrations.
		Sorry.
		Yeah.
		I want to go to that.
		I want to go to that fact.
		I don't want to bury the lead.
		You said about both political parties.
		If you read this, and that's where I think the book's very powerful now for people to go back and understand how we got here and how we, where this goes, because we're hardcore economic nationalists and populists here in the war room.
		There was no dissension.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		There was no meaningful dissent of both political parties.
unidentified		People would say today we're so divided.
		Well, hey, we were united.
		Kind of, I mean, there were cultural issues, but on this basic central fact of the modern industrial economy, both parties essentially had the same outlook.
		Maybe on the margins, they had some differences, but the same essential, you had unity.
		You actually had unity in what was a business model for the United States.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Now, it turns out that that business model, as we would argue here, was 1 million percent wrong.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's the reason I love the title of your book.
unidentified		It's the world's, I would call it the dumbest bet, but certainly the worst bet.
		But go back in time.
		There was no, there was no dissension on this.
		This was essentially kind of Wall Street and corporate and political kind of mind melt, was it not?
david j lynch ▲ ● ▼		It largely was.
unidentified		And there's a quote from George W. Bush as he was running for the presidency in late 1999, I believe.
		And it's a lovely quote.
		I don't think I can quote it all from memory, but the paraphrase is something like economic freedom.
		And he was talking here in terms of the opening to China, bringing China into the global trading system.
		Economic freedom, he said, creates habits of liberty.
		And habits of liberty will create pressure for democratic change.
david j lynch ▲ ● ▼		There was a very strong rhetorical narrative at the time, not that China would necessarily become a Jeffersonian democracy or that that was even a formal objective of U.S. policy, but there was a clear sense in both parties that expanded trade by making China more prosperous would create a burgeoning middle class.
unidentified		The Chinese middle class inevitably would demand more of a say in their governance, and that would lead over time to a more pluralistic China.
unidentified		And I think what happened there was we just, we collectively, the American policymakers, underestimated the extent to which the Chinese leadership, the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, was not stupid.
david j lynch ▲ ● ▼		They knew that was what folks in the West thought.
unidentified		Jiang Zemin, the then president of China, gave a speech to party officials and explained it and said, the Western powers think that by bringing us into this trading system, they're going to lay the seeds for our demise, but we're not going to let that happen.
		And we underestimated the extent to which the Chinese leadership was intent on preserving not just its authoritarian political system, but also its non-market economy.
		And that's another key part of the story.
		I want to go back to your initial theory that, hey, the winners are going to do, the winnings are going to be so big that the losers will get taken care of.
		Explain to the audience, when did that become pretty evident that that was not going to happen?
		That part of the deal was not going to be fulfilled, sir.
		I think it didn't take long.
		Within a few years of China joining the WTO, it was clear that the amount of Chinese imports was far exceeding what the U.S. government estimates had been.
		There was a study by the International Trade Commission as the U.S. was taking up the legislation that facilitated China's joining the WTO that estimated that after that happened, after China joined, imports of Chinese goods into the U.S. would increase by 7% in the first year.
		Instead, they rose by 25%, and over three years, they rose by 50%.
		And a lot of those products had an impact on factory towns across the mid-section of the United States, even as we were all benefiting from cheaper Chinese goods, from lower interest rates, thanks to all the capital that was flowing into the country as the flip side of the trade deficit.
		That spread benefits across the economy almost like frosting on a cake.
david j lynch ▲ ● ▼		But the problem was the costs of this transformation were laid on the backs of folks in our society with the least amount of education, the fewest skills in basic manufacturing.
unidentified		They took the brunt of it, and what was left behind was almost the equivalent of economic tumors in some of these communities.
		But within, you know, by 2005, 2006, in the Bush administration, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson was pushing for the administration to do more to address the needs of the workers who were hurt by this.
		And I remember interviewing George Bush in 2006 or seven, I think it was.
		And I put this question to him and asked whether more wasn't needed, whether the system shouldn't be more robust.
		And he said no.
david j lynch ▲ ● ▼		He thought the existing program, which is called Trade Adjustment Assistance, always terribly inadequate, poorly funded.
unidentified		He thought that was sufficient.
		And of course it wasn't.
		David, can you hang on one second?
		We'll take a short commercial break.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		David J. Lynch is with us, the author of The World's Worst Bet.
unidentified		If you want to understand the rise and fall of globalization in a very accessible book, tells it through stories, lots of data, but tells it through stories of individuals.
		This is the one that could be a very quick read and get you up to speed up the learning curve.
		Because this has not been sorted out yet, as you can tell, but we argue every day here in the war room.
		Short commercial break.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Also, the Viceroy, Mike Davis, as we await the President of Turkey to arrive to the White House for a meeting with the President of the United States.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Short break, back in a moment.
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		So, folks, instead of me just screaming about it all the time, you now get to read about it in a really terrific book, The World's Worst Bet, The Rise and Fall of Globalization.
		David Lynch is the author.
		I want to get you back when we've got more time because I want to talk about kind of where we are now, where we go.
		But a question I've always had to myself is because President Trump is not a politician.
		When he got into this, he's a business guy, but he has these kind of innate instincts, right?
		How did the Clintons, as savvy as they are and understanding Bill Clinton, Bob Rubin, these guys were kind of the architects in the 90s, how did Hillary Clinton, who, you know, is kind of our arch nemesis here, but I've always said, hey, brilliant, and particularly they have great political instincts.
		How did they miss the importance of this story to the American people and how the American people out in the particularly the heartland of this country, and this is how we pierced the blue, when I got into the thing, I said, we're going to go after the blue wall, we're going to go after Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin and Iowa and Ohio, which weren't in our camps at the time, because this is the heart of where the destruction was.
		And Clinton can't stand up.
		And she never, in fact, she doubled, she kind of doubled and tripled down.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		How did that happen, sir?
unidentified		Good question.
		You know, I remember interviewing her during the 2008 campaign, primary campaign when she was running against Barack Obama.
		And the white working class was sort of her last stand in places like Pennsylvania.
		And I remember interviewing her in a high school gym in that state, and she was saying things about the need to adjust our approach to globalization, use more industrial policy, the kind of things that really didn't come to fruition, certainly in the Democratic Party, until Joe Biden was elected in 2020.
		So I think to some degree they saw this, but they didn't act on it.
		And, you know, by the time we get to the 2016 election, a lot of these communities, these so-called China shock communities that have just taken in the chops from the rise of China, they get hit again by the global financial crisis in 2008.
		And that's made worse by global capital flows.
		And then you have the weakest recovery in the post-war era.
		So by the time 2016 rolls around, these people have been battered and bruised, and they're desperate for anything other than the establishment approach.
		And, you know, they didn't have much of a choice seen through that lens in 2012.
		But by 2016, you've got a pretty clear choice between an establishment, well-regarded establishment figure, former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, or this very disruptive, very unorthodox populist figure, Donald Trump, who is basically saying, we're going to throw all this stuff out and do it 180 degrees different.
		David, whenever I get the book, we're going to have you back very quickly.
		Where do people go?
		If you're giving any talks or book visits, any interviews, where do people go to get up to that on your social media and where they go find the book?
		Well, they can find me on social media, David J. Lynch, both on X, Blue Sky.
		I'm findable on Facebook.
		I'm even now on Substack.
		David J. Lynch won there.
		The book's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, the publisher, Hachette.
		So it's out there in all the usual spots.
		And as you rightly pointed out, this isn't an economics textbook.
		I try to tell the stories of individual Americans and show folks how they were affected over these years.
		No, it's the power of it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's a very powerful narrative history.
unidentified		It's got a lot of economics in it, but it's accessible to folks to kind of understand, which sometimes seems like you need a Harvard NBA to understand.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		David Jay Lynch, thank you, sir.
		Thank you for writing it.
		Thank you for coming on Warren.
unidentified		I appreciate you for having me.
		Very accessible, folks.
		The rise and fall of globalization.
		Of course, we know it's not over.
		It ain't over until it's over.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's certainly not over.
unidentified		I want to play.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I got the Viceroy here, and I've got him here for a couple of reasons.
unidentified		Do I have a short clip?
		Play this clip and then I'll jump in.
		Breaking news of the night is that federal prosecutors have written and submitted a memo explaining why charges should not be brought against former FBI director James Comey.
		That news comes a day after a day of intense speculation that Donald Trump's new acting U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia, adjacent to Washington, D.C., will seek an indictment of James Comey, possibly for lying to Congress, before Tuesday of next week, because the five-year statute of limitations on that charge will expire on Tuesday.
		That goes a couple more minutes, but Ken Delaney, who is kind of the comms department for the permanent Justice Department, not Trump's Justice Department, leaked, got a leak last night at 10 o'clock at night that three career prosecutors are writing a memo that's saying Comey can't be charged, shouldn't be charged, he can't win in court, and it doesn't meet standards.
		Let's start there, Mike Davis, the Viceroy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Where are we on this thing?
unidentified		Well, let's just step back and tell the audience what happened here.
		Five years ago, just short of five years ago, we had James Comey go before the Senate Judiciary Committee on a congressional investigation about Crossfire Hurricane, where it's very clear now that the Democrat operatives in the Obama White House, Biden, Obama, Hillary, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, so many others,
		they politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement before the 2016 election to take out then candidate Donald Trump and help Hillary Clinton to cover up her foreign corruption that we've talked about on this show for the last three years.
		Comey was called to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
		He was under oath, and Senator Ted Cruz asked him if he had discussions with the media, right, about Crossfire Hurricane.
		And there's evidence he clearly lied.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		He clearly perjured himself.
unidentified		And Andrew McCabe, his deputy, has evidence that Comey did talk to the media.
		So that is five years ago, right?
		And so we're coming up on the statute of limitations.
		I think it's September 30th.
		The statute of limitations for most federal felonies, like perjury, obstruction of Congress, is, or it's actually obstruction of a congressional investigation, but obstruction of Congress for short, is five years.
		And so the grand jury would have to indict Comey by September 30th.
		And so that's what President Trump's new U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia, according to these press reports, is going to do.
		And remember, with a grand jury indictment, you have to go to a grand jury of your peers.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		They look at the evidence and they determine whether there's probable cause to move forward with criminal charges.
unidentified		And so that's, according to the news reports, that's what's going to happen.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Now you have these apparently three assistant U.S. attorneys in the Eastern District of Virginia or wherever the hell they are who are writing a memo saying that there's not evidence and that they're not only is that bad, they're leaking this memo to friendly reporters.
unidentified		And by doing that, they are violating, clearly violating their attorney obligations, their obligations to their client-client confidentiality.
		The Department of Justice rules as it applies to attorneys, particularly federal prosecutors.
		It is highly inappropriate.
		It's illegal that these prosecutors are leaking this memo to their friends in the liberal media.
		And you have to ask, why are they doing this?
		They're doing this because they're trying to protect James Comey.
		They're trying to protect these lawfare Democrats like they've been trying to protect them for the last eight years.
		And so that's for the grand jury to decide whether there is evidence that James Comey committed perjury and obstruction of a congressional investigation.
		I would also say this, that remember, in addition to perjury and an obstruction of a congressional investigation, there's also the charge of conspiracy.
		And the conspiracy is ongoing.
		When you cover up a conspiracy, you continue the conspiracy.
		So in order to stop the conspiracy, we got to get this one now because you're going to get a, this is low-hanging fruit, and you've got a, you know, the time's going to run out, right?
		This conspiracy is ongoing.
		The frustration with the president came out when he put the thing out about Pam, and he's sitting there to listen to all the guys.
		I mean, we have two things going on.
		Number one is the war against the deep state, of which DOJ has got to take the lead on.
		And the other is what this political violence is being driven by the left and the media now.
		But let's take the, going for the deep state.
		Do you think we'll start hiring more people?
		Because the president is clearly frustrated.
		We just need more bodies over at DOJ and at the U.S. Attorney's Offices to kind of make this happen.
		We've got a minute here, Mike, and I want to hold you over briefly into the next block.
		But do we have enough bodies now?
		Has DOJ understood that the president's frustrated?
		He wants Brennan.
		He wants these other guys purp walked.
		I have said on your show, Steve, for over three years since the Mar-a-Lago raid, that they need to open a criminal investigation and bring criminal charges in the Southern District of Florida, Fort Pierce Division, where they did the Mar-a-Lago raid under 18 U.S.C. Section 231, conspiracy against rights, because the Democrats politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement to go after their political enemies for non-crimes.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		That is textbook conspiracy against rights.
unidentified		The Democrats are very familiar with this charge.
		It's one of the four charges they brought against Trump by Jack Smith for the non-crime of objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887 in the First Amendment.
		I have made it my mission for three years to bring accountability.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to make it my mission for the next four years to make sure there's accountability.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		And I promise that justice is coming.
unidentified		My good friend, Jason Redding Kiñones, just got confirmed as the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		And I have very publicly called on Jason Redding Kiñones to open up this criminal probe in the Fort Pierce division for conspiracy against rights.
unidentified		Mike, hang on for one second.
		I'll hold you for a couple of minutes on the other side.
		The Viceroy is with us.
		Okay, here we go.
		Right there on the full screen is the president of Turkey.
		The president of Turkey is arriving now for the bilateral meeting.
		The president's going to greet him.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		He's going to the working side of the West Wing.
unidentified		We'll continue to watch that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The president, I'm sure, will step out, shake his hand.
unidentified		They'll go on the oval probably 15, 20 minutes away from starting the bylap.
unidentified		Brian Glenn is there.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're all over this at Real America's Voice.
unidentified		Mike Davis, real quickly, brother, and we're going to keep that shot up.
		Mike, the other aspect of this, this political violence is now spinning out of control.
		A coach shot last night, of course, snipers at ICE facilities.
		They're burning down.
		They're blocking the ICE facility in Portland every night.
		What does the he's designated Antifa a terrorist organization?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They've designated the transgender militias as nihilistic, violent extremists, NVEs over FBI.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		What needs to be done now to stop this?
unidentified		There's no longer a debate about this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		What do we need to do to put an end to this, sir?
unidentified		It's very clear that today's Democrat Party is the party of violence, and we need to take this very seriously.
unidentified		And they must face these violent terrorists who are trying to kill President Trump and trying to kill his supporters, killed Charlie Kirk.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		This is unacceptable.
unidentified		And you have these Democrats politicians cheering on this violence, and it's unacceptable.
unidentified		So, what needs to happen is the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Treasury Secretary, in addition to designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, they need to designate Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization and start charging people who support Antifa with material support to terrorism.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		You need to expel all aliens, legal and illegal, who are associated with Antifa, and you need to cut off their funding.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		You also need to use our federal laws to go after everyone who attacks federal law enforcement for assaults on federal law enforcement and attack federal property.
unidentified		You need to charge them with those crimes, and they also need to charge conspiracy, which will you can either do a RICO conspiracy, a racketeering conspiracy that we've used to take out the Klan and the mob, or you can use the general conspiracy charge, and you can get a lot of these bad actors with conspiracy charges.
unidentified		And so it is time to take off the kick gloves and go after these violent left-wing terrorists.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		This is not a both sides issue.
unidentified		This is a today's Democrat Party issue of violence.
unidentified		And it needs to be at the federal level.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		We need to have state attorneys general.
unidentified		We need to have local DAs.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		This needs to be an all-of-government, all-of-America approach to take out these terrorists.
unidentified		And we need to wipe them out legally, politically, and financially.
		Mike Davis, Article 3, where do people go on social media particularly?
		Because you're always coming in hot.
		And then over at Article 3, where do folks go?
		Article3project.org, article number 3project.org.
		The most important thing the posse does is take action, action, action, action.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Also, follow us on social media and donate, but only what you can afford.
unidentified		And thank you very much, Steve.
unidentified		Thank you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The Viceroy, Mike Davis, thank you, sir.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate you for changing your schedule around.
unidentified		Let's go now.
unidentified		It's the Willard Hotel from noon to five will be a roundtable on one of the most important topics of our day.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're going to cover it on all our streaming platforms throughout the day and then back at 5 o'clock for a wrap-up.
unidentified		Britt McHenry, new D.C. reporter and correspondent for Real America's Voice and the great Claire Dooley, Claire, as you remember, a young filmmaker that we introduced to this audience a couple of years ago.
		Guys, where are you right now?
		Why is this important?
		What's going to be covered and who's going to cover it?
		Well, this is very important.
		This is following up on President Trump's press conference about autism rates spiking, as we know, one in every 31, I believe, since 2022 was the latest estimates.
britt mchenry ▲ ● ▼		But Claire will elaborate on that.
unidentified		We are here.
		It's all about to unfold at about noon.
		But Claire, I want you to take us through this.
		Like C said, you work on documentaries, you're a maha mom.
		What about this panel will illuminate anybody streaming, anybody listening, anybody reading about this, in more in-depth about the rise in these cases we're seeing and what the concern is?
		So I think something we can expect from this panel today is to learn about the broad spectrum of autism, right?
		So when we talk about autism, we're not talking about being slightly quirky or being good at math.
		We are talking about profound autism.
claire dooley ▲ ● ▼		A lot of these cases, they have seizures around the clock, gastrointestinal issues, brain inflammation.
unidentified		And the medical industry has slapped a title of autism on these people because the spectrum of autism is so broad.
		So today, we are having a broad discussion in detail broken into four panels where you can learn about the genetics behind autism, the epigenetics, the environmental factors.
		Of course, we're going to talk about vaccines.
		And we're going to talk about activism as well.
		We have spellers where we have these incredible cases where non-verbal or non-speaking autistic adults who haven't spoken their entire life at 25 are learning how to speak with these boards.
		So we have a lot of really amazing topics and conversations that should be happening around autism.
		And so with the Matat Institute and Matat Action, we're really excited about the announcement last Monday, but we want to go deeper, right?
claire dooley ▲ ● ▼		You know, we're really glad Trump brought up Tylenol and acetaminophen and all these different issues.
unidentified		But today we're going to go as deep as we can into these topics.
		You can arm yourself with information and figure out what's actually going on with autism.
		Because so far, the medical industry has gaslit mothers, right?
claire dooley ▲ ● ▼		So I traveled the country, I interviewed parents, thousands of parents with Polytommy on the CHD bus, and we interviewed parents whose children had been injured by autism or by vaccines and had caused autism.
unidentified		And so those parents told the same story over and over again.
		They didn't know each other, but they had the same exact experiences.
		And, you know, by 18 months, your kid's getting 25 different shots in the United States.
		And these parents are saying, hey, look, I'm seeing these adverse reactions.
		My kids started banging their head on the wall.
		They're losing speech.
		They're losing the ability to walk.
		They're having seizures.
		They're having fevers.
		They're having rashes.
		And doctors are just saying, oh, no, it's fine.
		Keep vaccinating.
		Give them some Tylenol.
		Go home.
		Sleep it off.
		It'll be fine.
		And then when the mother sees her child and her child, she's losing her child in front of her own eyes.
		And the medical industry is completely pretending like it's not happening.
		We are here today to say it is happening.
		Your child is regressing.
		And we're going to go into the details of all the science behind what's going on.
		So I'm really, really excited.
		Why has there been such a resistance to it?
britt mchenry ▲ ● ▼		On the phone, we spoke about Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey going back 20, 30 years ago that started to ring alarm bells as parents, as concerned citizens, about the vaccination rate.
unidentified		Why, when you speak to these families affected, has it taken it so long?
		I think that's a question a lot of people not as educated on everything, hopefully they will be today.
		Why has it taken so long to get to this point where we're now touching taboo subjects like Tylenol, over-the-counter medicines?
		Why has it had this stigma?
claire dooley ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's several factors at play here.
claire dooley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, ultimately we have censorship, and RFK Jr. has talked about the direct market to consumer advertising.
unidentified		That's a big issue.
		Pharmaceutical interest.
		In 1986, the Vaccine Injury Act was passed where pharmaceutical companies were given immunity from lawsuits from vaccines.
		And we had several different cases with the swine flu and even polio where people were brain injured with DTP vaccine that they later recalled and replaced with DTAP.
		And there's been profound cases in history with vaccine injury, and the whole goal of the medical or pharmaceutical interest is to erase them, right?
		We have a whole court set up in the United States to pay out awards for injury, yet vaccine injury doesn't exist.
		I mean, come on, like, this is that's why we're here, because we're saying, hey, this is actually happening.
		And I think this conversation should have happened 20 years ago, 30 years ago.
		Hey, Britt, hey, Britt, hey, Britt, Britt, let me jump in here for a second.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		President Trump, he did talk about Tylenol.
unidentified		But I know Trump, I think, as well as anybody publicly.
		And when he talked about the little baby in the vet laying next to it, and you could see it touched him as a human in the stories with the mothers.
		And he talked about the long history with his friends.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But then he said later, with everything else he's got going on and is known for, he's going to stake his presidency on the success of this or reversing this with autism.
unidentified		That is President Trump driving a stake in the ground and saying, not just am I all in, I mean, he kind of out-bobbied Bobby Kennedy that day, which is impossible to do.
		He said, I'm staking my presidency on reversing this.
		How does that impact you and your movement who have kind of been treated as outliers or kind of wing nuts up until the Trump presidency?
		I would definitely say that a lot of these mothers are outliers.
claire dooley ▲ ● ▼		They can't leave their home because autism is so severe that the public cannot see them.
unidentified		And so to have the president of the United States come out and say, hey, we're going to look into this.
		We're going to stake.
		I'm going to stake my presidency on this.
		It means a lot to us.
		But at the same time, we are going to keep on doing at MAHA what we've always done.
		I mean, I am deeply rooted with grassroots organizations all over the country.
		And it doesn't just stop with vaccines.
		It goes with the health of America in general.
		Hey, Claire, we've got to cut to the White House, the Oval Office.
		The President started.
		We'll come back to you guys.
		Let's go to the Oval Office, President of the United States.
		We're going to get a lot done.
		But I have great respect for this man.
		And we've had a very good relationship for a long time.
		If you remember, he led Pastor Brunson, he freed Pastor Brunson.
		Pastor Brunson was put in jail for 35 years before I got there.
		This was a group that should have stopped it.
		And the president, after I called him, released him, which was a great thing for our Christian community, our evangelical community.
		The evangelicals really, really wanted that.
		It was very important to him, so I always remembered that.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		But he released him from 35 years in prison.
unidentified		And Pastor Brunson now is healthy, happy, and well.
		And we're very happy about that.
		But it's a great honor to have the president of Turkey with us.
		And how are you?
		Fine.
		Say a few words.
		And you.
		Great guy.
		First of all, we are very happy to see this visit by the United Nations General Council.
		We are very happy to see this visit by the United Nations.
		We are very happy to see this visit by the United Nations.
		We have a different time in our country.
		We are so happy to see this visit by the U.S. F-35, the U.S. F-16, the U.S. F-16, the U.S. F-19, the U.S. F-19 and the U.S. F-19.
		I am sure we are a conversation with the U.S. F-19.
		First, Mr. President, I am very pleased that this visit actually coincides with the 80th UNGA.
		So I am very pleased to be here with my colleagues and friends.
		And as we have said, during the first term of your presidency and during your second term, we are able to carry Turkey and U.S. relations to a much different level and process.
		And as you said, we have an opportunity here today to be able to discuss some of the issues regarding the F-35, the F-16, and also the Halkbach case.
		And we will have an opportunity to thoroughly discuss them.
		And based on what you have mentioned regarding the Hebinada school, we are ready to do whatever we can that falls on our part.
		And I will, when I get back, try to discuss this issue with the esteemed Mr. Bartholomos to discuss how we can move forward on that.
		Okay, very good.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I would like to be able to do that.
unidentified		The Greek Orthodox Church was here, and they would really like to have some help.
		They need some help, and I said I'd mention it.
		We appreciate it.
		So, this is a tough man.
		This is a guy who's highly opinionated.
		Usually, I don't like opinionated people, but I always like this one.
		But he's a tough one.
		And he does an amazing job in this country.
		And we've had tremendous relationships, both having to do with war and having to do with trade.
		And I guess today we're talking about both.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to have him stop buying any oil from Russia while Russia continues this rampage against Ukraine.
unidentified		And they've been fighting, they've lost millions of lives already.
		And for what?
		You know, for what?
		Disgraceful.
		And I said yesterday, let it keep going because their economy is absolutely terrible right now.
		And I think it's a shame that they're doing that, killing a lot of people unnecessarily.
		7,818 people were killed last week, mostly military people, their people and Ukrainians.
		More Russians, actually, than Ukraine, a little bit more.
		But it's such a waste of human life.
		And so we ought to stop.
		Putin ought to stop.
		And with that, we'll get to a little bit of a discussion.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		We're going to make some great trade deals for both countries.
unidentified		We do a lot of business with Turkey.
		They build great products.
		They build beautiful, great products, really fantastic manufacturers.
		And we buy a lot from them and they buy a lot from us.
		Would you have any questions, please?
		You repeatedly called out Obama and Biden administrations for their stupid decisions.
		One example you gave was refusal to sell the Patriot missile defense systems to Turkey, which resulted in the expulsion of the country from the F-35 program.
		Now, you are known to be a great deal maker in Turkey.
		What can you do to undo the stupidity?
		Yes, CNN Turk.
		CNN?
		Because you sounded like a nice candidate.
		It's fake news.
		But you sound like the real deal.
		Quite frankly, thank you.
		We're going to be discussing the Patriot system, which is the best system.
		We'll discuss that.
		We're going to discuss the F-35.
		We'll be discussing all of the things that you know about it that some of you mentioned.
		And I think he'll be successful with buying the things he'd like to buy.
		What concrete steps can you take to make that deal?
		We haven't even started yet.
		Can I have one question?
		He wants the F-35.
		And he's wanted that.
		And we're talking about that very seriously.
		And the F-16, we're in great shape.
		Certain other things he needed, as you know, and I'm going to see to it that we get that to him.
		He needs certain things, and we need certain things.
		And we're going to come to a conclusion.
		You'll know by the end of the day.
		Can I turn the question to you?
		Mr. President Trump, you have a meeting with President Trump who has been asked for a lot of ways to work with President Trump.
		You can see a lot of contact with a lot of leaders with a lot of colleagues in the country.
		How can you do this with this?
		I believe that I'm a part of this.
		I'm going to be able to make this conflict with this country and I'm not here at all.
		you have referred to president trump's peace efforts and you have also contact with many leaders in the region and And what do you think that you can do about this?
		And Mr. President has said that, yes, I believe in the peace efforts that President Trump is leading, and together we will be able to overcome the challenges in the region.
		I think it's true.
		He's got tremendous influence in the region.
		Yeah, please.
		Mr. President, when are you planning to lift Qatza sanctions against Turkey?
		Yes, Turkey very soon.
		Mr. President, did we have a big meeting?
		Almost immediately.
		President Ardon is removing the Argonne is removing tariffs on U.S. foods and what impact it would be in U.S. production.
		Where are you from?
		Turkey.
		We have a lot of people from Turkey.
		That's good.
		I like the question here.
		He already removed them.
		Mr. President, what about Gaza?
		Mr. President, even if not all NATO countries stop purchasing Russian oil?
		We're going to be seeing about that.
		The NATO countries were disappointing in that regard, but they've been very amazing in other ways.
		They did, as you know, they went from 2% to 5% GDP.
		And that's a big step.
		And it's paid.
		I mean, they have the money there.
		We're selling a tremendous amount of military equipment to NATO.
		We're selling.
		We're not giving like Biden did.
	We're selling it to NATO.
	I mean, it's a lot.
	They're buying a lot.
	I assume they're giving it to Ukraine.
	They could buy it for other reasons too, but I assume they're giving most of it to Ukraine.
	But they're buying highly sophisticated weaponry.
	And they're paying for it full price.
	And that's how we're, Biden gave $350 billion.
	Look, this war would have never started if I were president.
	If I were president, this war would never be happening.
	Would have never happened.
	Yeah.
	Mr. President, I would like to ask about Gaza.
	Are you on the same page, Mr. Erdogan, for Palestine Israel?
	Well, I don't know his stance.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I can't tell you about that.
unidentified		I just say that we want to get Gaza.
		Oh, I had a great meeting with the leaders of that area, of that region.
		Generally speaking, the Middle East.
		We had a great meeting the other day at Elga, as you know, and I think we must be getting some kind of deal done.
		We want to get the hostages back.
		I have to get the hostages back.
		We're the ones who got the hostages, all of them that we have now.
		But it looks like there are 20 living hostages and probably 38 or so dead hostages.
		Pretty sad.
		And the parents of those dead souls, those dead, mostly men, boys, in many cases, like literally boys, they want those bodies back so badly, as much as though they were alive.
		And we had a very good meeting with the representatives of the most powerful countries in the Middle East, and I think we're going to be close to it here.
		In the Ukrainian war and during the Israeli-Iran war, the airspace of the NATO countries is very fragile, and it needs to be stronger.
		And in that sense, Turkey being the second largest army in NATO, it needs to support its air force and air defense.
		How do you look at this issue in general as a NATO?
		We're in NATO, and they're paying now 5% of GDP.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Nobody thought that was possible.
unidentified		And they agreed to that six months ago when I was there.
unidentified		And the relationship is very good.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		The NATO countries are, I mean, with us, is the strongest it's ever been.
		We used to complain that they're paying 2%, but they're not paying.
		The United States was paying almost everything.
unidentified		And now they're paying 5%, and they paid.
		And that's trillions of dollars.
		You know, we're talking about trillions of dollars.
		And they're spending that, giving that money to us, and we are giving them great defense of the Patriots and all of the different javelins, all the different missile systems and everything else that they want.
		But it's trillions of dollars.
		So we appreciate that they did that.
		So they went from 2% to 5% of GDP, and that was something that nobody even would bring up.
		Biden should have brought it up a long time ago.
		Because under Biden, we paid $350 billion, and all it did is make things worse.
		So, we'll see now.
		At 35s to Turkey, fighter jets.
		At 35s.
		We're talking about fighter jets for Turkey.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are.
unidentified		I'm going to see any step is going to be taken today about the issue, about the things that are going on in the Gaza-Palestine.
		Are we going to do this?
		We have a very strong dialogue going on with Saudi Arabia.
		I would say you have four or five real leaders that are being good.
		As you know, I met with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE.
		We met with Jordan.
		The king of Jordan was there.
		We had a really great meeting.
		I think a lot was determined at that meeting.
		And I have to meet with Israel.
		And I have to do that also.
		They know what I want.
		And I think we can get that one done.
		I hope we can get it done.
		A lot of people are dying.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		But we want the hostages back.
unidentified		We don't want them back one this week, one and two months from now, three later, and you know, like the way it's been going.
		We got them all back.
		We got a lot of them back.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		We got our American, the American Alexander.
unidentified		We got the American hostages back.
		But we have now 20 plus 38 bodies, dead bodies, and we want them all back.
		We want to back it one time.
		President Obama will help to release the hostages.
		Do you think President Ordon will help to release the hostages?
		I don't really think we have.
		I don't think it'll be necessary in this case.
		I think we're going to be in a pretty good position.
		There are a lot of people that want that done.
		I met with great leaders.
		Look, over, you saw the people that were there.
		And great leaders.
		Egypt was also represented.
		We met with the leaders of that part of the world, and they want to see if they can get something done.
		And I'm going to have to tell Israel, let's go.
		We want to get the hostages back.
		Everybody wants to see that war over with, by the way.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Everybody.
unidentified		So we're going to see what happens.
		How do you see a joint initiative with President Erdogan to bring the President of Russia, Putin, and President Zelensky to the negotiating table?
		Well, I can tell you that President Erdogan is very respected by both of them.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Everybody respects Erdogan.
unidentified		They really respect Erdogan.
		I do.
		And I think he could have a big influence if he wants to.
		Right now, he's very neutral.
		He likes being neutral.
		So do I like being neutral?
		But he's somebody that, if he got involved, the best thing he could do is not buy oil and gas from Russia.
		If he did that, that would be probably the best thing.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		He knows Putin like I know Putin.
unidentified		I thought Putin, I settled, as you know, seven wars, and it's probably more than that if you really want to know the real facts.
		But seven wars, and I thought this would be among the easier ones to settle.
		But I'm very disappointed in Putin.
		And he's been fighting hard.
		He's been fighting long, and they lost millions.
		They lost like a million soldiers.
		And you know, with all of the heavy bombardment over the last two weeks, they've gained almost no land.
		Think of that.
		They've gained almost no land.
		And I'm not going to ever call anybody a paper tiger, but Russia spent millions and millions of dollars in bombs, missiles, ammunition, and lives, their lives.
		And they've gained virtually no land.
		I think it's time to stop.
		I really do.
		This is Steve Bannon in the War Room.
		We're going to toss now to the Charlie Kirk show.
		We're going to live stream the symposium on all of our platforms.
		Grace and Mo will do it on Getter, on our Real America's Voice platform, and on a Rumble.
		So stay tuned for that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're back at five.
unidentified		What do you want to say about the current process?
		No, I can't.
		Mr. President.
		Mr. President.
		S-400, Mr. President.
		He's from CNN.
		Fake news, the worst fake news, but I like him.
		So, it's CNN, Turkey.
		Turkey, CNN.
		Syria has been a major issue between the two countries for the past decade.
		And you said the future to Syria is in Erdogan's hands back in, I think, December and January.
		And the countries are in the process of integrating little fractures into the main government.
		When do you want to see that happen?

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