Sept. 16, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It is Monday, the 15th of September in the year of our Lord 2025, and we've got a lot to go through in this hour. | ||
| I want to thank everybody for sticking around for the second hour of the late afternoon, early evening edition of the War Room. | ||
| We got Phil Lyman on, who was an eyewitness to events, a former candidate for governor in the great state of Utah. | ||
| DeGrasse is going to jump in here. | ||
| He's got a bolt at 6.30. | ||
| We're going to get DeGros in to talk about Indiana 9.0. | ||
| Politico's lead story this morning on the Must Red playbook was about Indiana on Saturday. | ||
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Senator Banks, Raheem Kassam, and of course, Alex deGrasse organizing that about Indiana 9.0 as it is a litmus test for what's going on right now in the maximalization strategy. | |
| And of course, Dr. Bradley Thayer has helped us put together a thinking about Antifa and other organizations as domestic terrorist organizations. | ||
| You heard the president from the Oval Office just moments ago saying that, hey, he's open to designating them. | ||
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And then later says, I am going to designate this. | |
| So you've got Stephen Miller and Kash Patel and Pam Bondi and Todd Blanch, everybody, I'm sure, working on this even as we speak. | ||
| So Mark, you're towards the back. | ||
| You're about to go get your friends. | ||
| You're going to walk into the building. | ||
| I take it the building is right next to the Low Center. | ||
| So the Low Center is kind of one removed, but you can see back in that amphitheater, you're going inside. | ||
| You hear a loud bang, right? | ||
| You hear a loud bang. | ||
| And what do you do? | ||
| You stop going downstairs, you turn and go back out into the open space? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I stop, look around for a couple of seconds in the doorway, and I just turn around and walk right back out. | ||
| And my first objective is to confirm, was that a gunshot? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| As soon as you start seeing the chaos, it's like, okay, this is a gunshot. | ||
| And then I walked over to the closest people to that spot where I was at, like trying to get some confirmation to these. | ||
| So walk over to these two girls who were standing leaning over the railing and kind of watching the crowd scatter. | ||
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And I guess the chilling part of that, Steve, as I stepped up there, and it wasn't chilling at the time because I had one thing. | |
| I was just trying to find out. | ||
| Did that gunshot, is that a gunshot? | ||
| Did it come from up here? | ||
| And as I stepped up there, I just heard one of the girls over here. | ||
| She was just talking to her friend, and she's looking at these fleeing kids down there running for their lives. | ||
| And she said, go fuck yourselves. | ||
| And, you know, not to me, but to her friend. | ||
| And I thought, and so, and I just jumped in. | ||
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I said, did that shot come from here? | |
| Wasn't that right here? | ||
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And she said, yeah, it was right over there, which was into an open area. | |
| And I looked over and I couldn't see anything. | ||
| And I didn't think a whole lot about it until later, but there was some disdain there. | ||
| And I thought, you know, maybe I misunderstood. | ||
| Maybe she's talking to somebody that she thinks was the shooter, something that's some contempt there. | ||
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So I was looking at my videos and stuff afterwards because I had this, I was on tape. | |
| It's like, yeah, that's what she said. | ||
| And I thought, that's an interesting, that's an interesting reaction. | ||
| And really the lack of reactions. | ||
| Like, why are you not ducking down? | ||
| Why are you not afraid? | ||
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You're young. | |
| You've got a lot of life ahead of you. | ||
| Honestly, I looked at, I'm thinking, I'm here with a bunch of college kids and I'm an old dude and I'm going to go out there. | ||
| And if there's a shooter, I want to stop him from shooting somebody else. | ||
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And a lot of those kids were, like I say, they were running for their lives and they were screaming. | |
| And it was a strange thing to say to a group of what I would think would be your peers and have a little bit of empathy for them. | ||
| Was there any other, because there was kind of mass chaos after what is supposed to be the shot, the loud bang, did were there any other groups that looked like they were not perturbed by it, that they weren't fleeing in mass chaos or mass, you know, just being afraid, really running for their lives? | ||
| There were a few. | ||
| There were a few clusters of people that were, in my mind, noticeably not reacting. | ||
| And maybe they weren't tuned into what the threat was. | ||
| I don't know how they couldn't be because it was really chaotic. | ||
| But yeah, there were a couple of other groups that just seemed to be more interested in kind of the spectator side of this. | ||
| But in something like that, in the normal reaction that this could be a mass casualty event, like in Minneapolis, he let off 115, I think, rounds. | ||
| The natural human thing, like you saw, by the way, the young men and women, particularly young men fleeing, were, you know, look like kind of your jocks. | ||
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It's a natural human reaction to like, let's get out of here until something's figured out. | |
| Wouldn't it strike you as very odd that people were just kind of not, didn't look like they were feared for their lives? | ||
| Especially where I was standing, because that really, there was a huge bang there. | ||
| And pretty soon the cops, you know, the undercover cops running through there saying, where's the shooter? | ||
| Where's the shooter? | ||
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What'd you see? | |
| What'd you see? | ||
| And, you know, people are saying, yeah, I think it's close by. | ||
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And that's, I'm thinking, he's probably on the roof, not shooting. | |
| So probably done shooting, probably leaving the scene by now. | ||
| And that was of the Sorenson building. | ||
| And then when he showed the actual thing, it was just east of there, which is really, really close as well. | ||
| Still kind of above our heads, but a little bit further back. | ||
| And yeah, if you're in that spot and there was a lot of people who were running into the building, who were crouching down behind the center block or the concrete, retaining things, a lot of places to take cover. | ||
| And it was noticeable that some of them were not taking cover. | ||
| Phil, I take it you've tried to talk to the authorities, but it hasn't gotten traction yet. | ||
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But you're open to talk to the authorities and tell them everything you know? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, I sent all my video footage to the FBI. | ||
| Yeah, involved with a lot of other people who reached out to me and sharing stuff with me. | ||
| So I forwarded everything that I could. | ||
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And I will tell you, it didn't dawn on me that there could have been a pre-knowledge for some of these people until after we started questioning, was that really the shooter? | |
| Was there really a person on the roof? | ||
| Watching that video of him coming off the roof, which we didn't get till like two days later, and saying, this is not adding up. | ||
| Stuff is not adding up. | ||
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And that's when it kind of, and again, going back through my videos and watching, I was like, that is out of place. | |
| That was a really out of place response. | ||
| I tell you what, Phil, I want to put a pin in because I want to get to the videos and all of your, you were an eyewitness and thought you saw it, but then, and this is why I keep telling the FBI guys and others, we just can't drib and drive this out. | ||
| We shouldn't hurt the investigation by putting out maybe too much details, but they're on Fox and other places putting out kind of every other, you know, every half hour you get another group. | ||
| You have to have a briefing. | ||
| You particularly have to address these videos. | ||
| Hang on for one second. | ||
| I got to get Alex deGrasse in here because Alex has got a bounce. | ||
| DeGrasse, the event on Saturday, particularly given the tragedy, was next level. | ||
| And I got to tell you, the intensity, I want everybody in the Warren Posse that's out there as a Hoosier in Indiana, you guys are the best. | ||
| You're the backbone of the country. | ||
| And particularly when you have a political class that is, you know, maybe not as mega as the voters and the workers out there, really want to thank Senator Banks, who is about as based as you can get. | ||
| Where do we stand? | ||
| Because the rally cry, and I want to tell you, we were overwhelmed by the crowd response. | ||
| I mean, the Warren posse, the standing ovations, what they did when Raheem was talking. | ||
| We had the Tommy Robinson up. | ||
| So where do we stand? | ||
| Because as politico, you had Adam Wren, who's about as smart a political reporter as in all of DC was out there. | ||
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The politico guys thought with everything going on, it's the lead story in Playbook because they understand that this is an important story about where the country is. | |
| So what is happening now? | ||
| But it's got to be 9-0, not 8-to-1. | ||
| This is a litmus test of the maximalization, the maximalist strategy and also the Trump movement. | ||
| So where are we on Monday afternoon after that great conference you had the other day? | ||
| Where do we stand? | ||
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Well, Steve, thank you. | |
| It was amazing. | ||
| And I'll tell you what, people were fired up. | ||
| We surprised them with, obviously, we beamed in the show from the stage and people went absolutely crazy. | ||
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And it was hundreds of people, Steve, over 500 who showed up on a Saturday for essentially eight hours of working conferences and strategy sessions and some pump-up stuff. | |
| And most importantly, obviously we're pushing 9-0, Steve. | ||
| And I think the lead of the story, obviously, is that the grassroots is not going to take it anymore, right? | ||
| I mean, people, I mean, you have a senator, you have Bruchowitz, you have major players saying, hey, least we can do here is move the ball forward for Charlie. | ||
| I mean, people are expecting nothing less. | ||
| I mean, you know, I think sort of reflecting on everything that went down, Charlie obviously would have wanted us to be there. | ||
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And there was talk, some people were nervous. | |
| And we understand, of course. | ||
| And we decided, obviously, to press forward to keep this ball moving forward because this could determine everything, obviously in the House. | ||
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As we've spoken about, at first, Steve, on the show, we were talking about 8-1. | |
| Now we're obviously talking about 9-0. | ||
| I think there is a lot of unknown. | ||
| I think it's really important for Indiana, for the posse to lock in calmly and positively communicate with your state representatives, with your state senators, educate them on what was discussed on the show. | ||
| Maybe we can send out, we'll clip kind of our presentation and get that to you so Grayson folks can kind of get it out to folks on your lists and whatever. | ||
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Just because we had a conversation with three of the state representatives who kind of walked through the backroom deals and kind of what's at stake here. | |
| And I think people would be concerned. | ||
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Of course, these state houses are very challenging with the establishment across the country. | |
| But Indiana certainly has, I think, some issues with the kind of Mitch Daniel, Mike Pence. | ||
| You know, it really is a big battle, Titonic battle for the direction of the party. | ||
| So I think we need to push forward. | ||
| This is so important, important for President Trump. | ||
| Everyone's engaged here. | ||
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So I'm optimistic, but we've got to just keep pushing. | |
| Because there's been no information tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| So it's no official movement. | ||
| So can you get us all the information and we'll put it up. | ||
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We'll get you back on tomorrow because I want to flood the zone with the Warren Posse and have people working the phones and working the system here. | |
| So if you do that for us, it was a great kickoff. | ||
| And they now know that 8-1 is not acceptable. | ||
| It's got to be 9-0. | ||
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And so we just need the information to make sure we can go back. | |
| And so the Warren Posse is looking to go to work, looking to do something. | ||
| They're going to prayer visuals. | ||
| They're honoring Charlie. | ||
| In fact, something's happening in the House right now. | ||
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We may cut to it in a few minutes. | |
| Another memorial for Charlie. | ||
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But people want to take action. | |
| They want to support Charlie's work and drive the task and purpose of Turning Point more forward. | ||
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Before I let you go, because I know with Elise Stefanik, you're her chief strategist. | |
| What's happening in New York? | ||
| Because I've told people for a while that this guy was going to win the primary. | ||
| He's going to be Cuomo. | ||
| And now Adams looks like he may drop out as early as Friday. | ||
| I'm not so sure it's going to make much of a difference. | ||
| Kathy Hochl, the sitting governor of New York, endorsed Donnie today. | ||
| Can you explain to folks throughout the country who I don't think quite have gotten it? | ||
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And it's not the Warren Posse, they get it, but the media that watches this and the hedge fund guys, how radical this guy is in the Working People's Party and the DSA and what's going to happen in New York when they win. | |
| Because right now they're on a glide path to not just win, but win big. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Steve, I think you and I were the only two people that said Mom Dami was going to win. | ||
| Certainly also Elise has been public with folks months before the primary saying, hey, this guy's going to win. | ||
| He's got the momentum on the Democrat side. | ||
| And this is where the party's heading for a litany. | ||
| I think the most important thing is Kathy Hochul. | ||
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I mean, New York is like the crown jewel, Steve, right? | |
| You got California, you got New York. | ||
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That's like the two Democrat power centers. | |
| And then obviously the Imperial capital, you know, to an extent as well, of course. | ||
| You know, the fact that she bent the knee to communism, TIDI Semitism, to this sort of jihadism, green alliance type of situation, it shows that the establishment is weak and they are kind of gutted from these kind of crazy people. | ||
| And I mean, Steve, getting rid of private health care, government-owned grocery stores, ending the police as we know it, getting rid of the gang database, importing more illegals, restricting ICE, going against, I mean, just his mantra is crazy. | ||
| And especially the Israel stuff. | ||
| And there are a lot of anti-Semitism issues on the ground in New York. | ||
| And he also has a ton of support from liberal Jewish voters. | ||
| So the whole thing is crazy. | ||
| And I think the fact that she understood that facing a possible governor race with Elise, that she was worried about her left flank, Steve, because these people are ruthless and they're going after the Kathy Hochls of the world, Steve. | ||
| I mean, these people are gearing up to devour their own. | ||
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But you and I both said, we said everyone will bend the knee. | |
| The establishment, the Democrats, you know, some of the Wall Street guys, they're going to play ball. | ||
| And that's what's happening. | ||
| And some are panicking and they should. | ||
| And I think Charlie Kirk, and Elise was going through her tax and she posted this on Axe. | ||
| And Charlie Kirk texted her and he also published something, I think, back in June or July and said, we can't give up on New York. | ||
| It's so easy for people to say, hey, New York is gone. | ||
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Let it destroy. | |
| No, I mean, New York is the financial capital of the world. | ||
| You always say it, Steve. | ||
| And really, New York is sort of the breach. | ||
| It's sort of the beachhead for the far left. | ||
| And once they kind of implant there, they move inward. | ||
| They move across the country, whether it's bail reform, all the illegal sanctuary cities. | ||
| It all started in New York and or California, unfortunately. | ||
| So just as you've got this issue with California Newsom, we've got this issue in New York. | ||
| And we'll see how things develop. | ||
| But the fact that Kathy Hochul has beat Hakeem Jeffries, Schumer, all of these guys and endorsed, not just endorsed, I mean, went full out, said he's great. | ||
| We need to do Trump, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| I mean, it's really alarming. | ||
| And people should be scared. | ||
| People should be scared for what's coming from the modern Democrat Party because the communists, the jihadists, I mean, this guy's funded Lakshman Barrel. | ||
| You look at his family. | ||
| He's a Marxist. | ||
| This is what's so important about designating right now Antifa as a terrorist organization because you spread out, you go to terrorist finance. | ||
| We have no earthly idea. | ||
| And I've said this from the very beginning. | ||
| The guys called me up here and how do you defeat him? | ||
| I said, listen, you've got to get to back where this kid's money is coming from. | ||
| You've got to do it and you have to do it now. | ||
| You're not going to beat him with conventional weapons. | ||
| You're not going to, Curtis Sliwa and Adams are not going to drop out and magically Cuomo is going to win. | ||
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Cuomo's not even running a race, right? | |
| He's Frank Skeffington in the last hurrah. | ||
| This thing's over. | ||
| And now you're seeing him bending the knee. | ||
| And more importantly, you're seeing the finance community and you're seeing big business bend the knee also. | ||
| So about the money, though, this is why the terrorism designation is so important because then you get into all these kind of groups, ACTBLU and the Sorosists and these other Arabella and all this other dark money that's coming in, as President Trump said, you know, FARA violations by billionaires taking money from foreign countries and putting it into this apparatus. | ||
| Is that something you think it may be too late to stop the victory, but is that something eventually take this guy down? | ||
| Well, I think it's huge, Steve. | ||
| I think his connections with foreign, you know, sort of radical Islamic, and absolutely I stand by that as critical on the sort of Antifa designation. | ||
| It's clear from just based on what we know through public information about the shooting and sort of their network, I think is very alarming. | ||
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I think the RICO side of things that President Trump mentioned as well, and actually I think he's using, I think the information that he's working off of, because I know it's what I've seen and what's been publicly reported, is sort of the money traced through the Working Families Party, you know, billions from Soros. | |
| It goes through nonprofits. | ||
| It gets washed out with these limits. | ||
| They're hiring staff. | ||
| I mean, none of their stuff is, I mean, I think he kind of peaked and got some grassroots support, but a lot of this stuff is astro-turf, highly coordinated, highly sort of manipulated on social media with the CCP, other foreign actors. | ||
| So I think when you look at it holistically, you look at the money, of course, you've got the Antifa, the terrorism side of things in general, but you've also got this RICO sort of where they're funding all this violence and different things with Soros and money's passing through nonprofits into political, you know, state parties and different things. | ||
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And I think it's a huge issue. | |
| And I think, I mean, Mamdami's funded by California. | ||
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He's funded by billionaires. | |
| I mean, that's the thing, Steve. | ||
| I mean, he's got a super PAC. | ||
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They're raising millions of dollars. | |
| I mean, come on here. | ||
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You know, money's pouring in. | |
| The Working Families Party spent millions of dollars. | ||
| Soros has put in like $30 million into that entity over time. | ||
| So, I mean, they know what they're doing, and it's very sophisticated. | ||
| It's not grassroots. | ||
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George Will and these other bowtie, you know, Bill Buckley, National Review, the salon conservatives say, oh, well, it's socialism and let it fail. | |
| Hey, these are Marxist jihadists. | ||
| When they get control, it's just like Sadiq Khan taking control of London. | ||
| They ain't giving it up. | ||
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And people should note that President Trump is making a state visit that he's wanted to make for a long time. | |
| They put out the schedule in detail. | ||
| President Trump's going to leave tomorrow. | ||
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He's going to go to Windsor. | |
| He's going to spend Tuesday night there. | ||
| He's also going to have a whole array of ceremonies at Windsor Castle with the King of England, King Charles, on Wednesday. | ||
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Then he's going to go to Checkers. | |
| Winston Churchill's country home that he then gave, donated to the ministers, I think it was, to the prime ministers. | ||
| He's going to stay there with Starmer. | ||
| He's not going within, I don't know, 40 miles of London. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because London has been radicalized. | ||
| The President of the United States can't go to London. | ||
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Tommy Robinson got over a million people of British working class and middle class people to show up, but Sadiq Khan has turned London into a no-go zone. | |
| And when the President of the United States goes for a state visit and does not go to London, that should be a big tell to everybody because of security concerns. | ||
| Alex, we'll get you on tomorrow. | ||
| We've got so much more to go through on 9-0 in Indiana. | ||
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You're going to get some information. | |
| We're going to put it out. | ||
| Where do people go to get you on your social media? | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| I'm not to grass anyone on X Truth Getter. | ||
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Keep an eye on New York. | |
| And then if you're in Indiana, let's lock in. | ||
| They'll have updates on the rest of the states as well because we've got to keep driving that ship. | ||
| So thank you, Steve. | ||
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Thank you, brother. | |
| Okay, I want to play a clip. | ||
| Now, Michael said, just from the other day, a lot has changed since Michael Savage said this. | ||
| I think a much more engaged FBI, Department of Justice, President Trump just said he's going to designate Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization or a terrorist organization for an investigation. | ||
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But I want to play this carefully and bring Phil back in because I think a lot of us have these questions that Mike Savage had. | |
| Let's go ahead and play it. | ||
| Something's wrong. | ||
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I know I shouldn't do this. | |
| I'm risking an awful lot to go up against this FBI, the MAGA FBI. | ||
| Something's very wrong with what I just heard. | ||
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I mean, I watched it. | |
| I was hoping that they had caught the bastard who shot Charlie. | ||
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So we saw a video of a person jumping off the roof. | |
| It looked very legitimate to me. | ||
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However, there was no rifle in his hand. | |
| Now, the Mauser does not break down very easily, incidentally, for those of you who know weapons. | ||
| Something's wrong with the whole thing. | ||
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They're trying to claim he removed the barrel from the Mauser and fit the receiver and stock in his backpack and barrel in his pants, like all in two seconds. | |
| It is not easy to remove a Mauser barrel or index it after reinstalling and remain accurate. | ||
| We are not hearing or seeing reality. | ||
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And by the way, the photo of the rifle allegedly left in the woods has the barrel installed. | |
| So we're supposed to believe a guy is on the run after killing Charlie Kirk, and he pauses in the woods to reinstall a barrel, and then he leaves it for us to find the FBI to find. | ||
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I don't believe a word of it. | |
| I shouldn't do this. | ||
| I know I'm putting myself at risk, but I can't take it anymore. | ||
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I can't take the from this government. | |
| It's lying to us. | ||
| Something's wrong. | ||
| Something's so wrong. | ||
| It's sickening. | ||
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Look at this idiot. | |
| They found the rifle and they're getting the prints. | ||
| Are you stupid? | ||
| Are you that stupid? | ||
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Are you that dumb? | |
| The man jumps off the roof. | ||
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There's no rifle there. | |
| Oh, it's in his backpack. | ||
| I just told you, moron, that this rifle doesn't break down that easily. | ||
| And then it's supposed to be reassembled while he's on the run. | ||
| Wait, I'll stop now and reassemble it and leave it in the woods in a box wrapped in a towel. | ||
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He left breadcrumbs. | |
| Oh, and the trans anti-the trans stuff on the cartridges. | ||
| Something is wrong with this whole picture. | ||
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I am persona non grata in this White House. | |
| I will tell you right now, I flew with Donald Trump in Air Force One. | ||
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I consider him close to me. | |
| I have not been able to get near him since this administration took hold. | ||
| They have thrown me out. | ||
| They've castigated, thrown me in the desert. | ||
| They don't want me near them. | ||
| They don't want real truth tellers anyway. | ||
| Shorthander, we got a couple. | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| Phil, the FBI's official position, because Pasobic and I have gone through this thing a million times. | ||
| Their official position on Mike Savage is that, and I asked Grace and Mo and others on the team to go back and look at again. | ||
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They say, oh, he actually has the gun. | |
| He drops the gun off the roof before he jumps. | ||
| I go, what? | ||
| I must have missed that. | ||
| Talk to me. | ||
| We got a couple minutes here. | ||
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I'm going to hold you through the break. | |
| You know the neighborhood, right? | ||
| You're very familiar with Utah Valley University and the houses around it. | ||
| You've seen a lot of these videos. | ||
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What does Phil Lyman say? | |
| Well, you know, when they say they throw it into the wooded area, you're saying, well, is it the wooded area there by the house? | ||
| Or is it around by the Brodericks or around by the Steels? | ||
| Or which wooded area? | ||
| Is it by the chicken coop? | ||
| Did he climb the fence? | ||
| You know, all of these things. | ||
| So, yeah, it helps to have a little bit of lay of the land. | ||
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But the video that I watched, that was the first thing. | |
| First of all, coming into the campus with his limp, I thought there's not a 30 out 6 down that pant leg. | ||
| And then when I saw the gun with the scope on, it's like, well, there's definitely not a, that's not down his pant leg. | ||
| And then somebody said, well, maybe he assembled it on the roof. | ||
| And just like Mike said, I know enough about guns. | ||
| You can't even, if you even bump the scope on an old 30.6 like that, you're going to be off. | ||
| You couldn't take that apart, assemble it on the roof, and then take one shot and expect it to be anywhere near the target. | ||
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And then so then taking, you know, jumping off the roof and then reassembling it again. | |
| It's the whole thing, actually, the more they try to explain it, the more it's like, this is not true. | ||
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This is absolutely not true. | |
| And yeah, it does help to know the people and to talk. | ||
| And you go and you visit with your relatives and they're saying, yeah, well, this is the actual ring came with the camera. | ||
| And you look at the other neighbors and it's like, okay, something is not adding up. | ||
| The other thing that kind of bugged me was that when they said that they used AI to enhance the picture of the suspect. | ||
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And I'm looking at the AI-enhanced version of that. | |
| It's like, oh, that looks a lot more like Tyler Robinson than the original. | ||
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In fact, it looks like two different people. | |
| I mean, honestly, all of it, Steve, by the end, you're saying, I don't know what the truth is, but I do know that we're not being told the truth. | ||
| And then there's other vehicles in the area. | ||
| There's clearly, there's other communication going on. | ||
| Hang on one second. | ||
| We're going to take a break. | ||
| We got Phil Alinman, a candidate for governor. | ||
| I also want to talk about Cox and his responsibility here with the administration. | ||
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That is, I don't know, it's been out of control for a while. | |
| This is why he's the most anti-Trump governor of a red state in the country. | ||
| And I don't know how he was selected to give all the presentation he gave in that long speech the other night when it seems to me the FBI and others, Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, should have walked through the basic facts and he should have done the partnership thing. | ||
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| Dr. Thayer's also with us on Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. | ||
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| So, Phil, you're part of this. | ||
| You know, Charlie, you're there. | ||
| You hear the thing, the Mr. Shock. | ||
| But now you're seeing how it's being put out in dribs and drabs. | ||
| You had the governor the other day when they said, well, the one question, hey, is anybody arrested here besides the potential? | ||
| Oh, no, the roommate. | ||
| And all day today, they were talking about, oh, no, the roommate is, he didn't know anything about it. | ||
| They've said it 100 times. | ||
| He didn't know anything about it. | ||
| What do you mean he didn't know anything about it? | ||
| So he tells you he doesn't know anything about it. | ||
| He gets off scot-free. | ||
| In fact, do we have the University of Alabama professor? | ||
| Can we play that? | ||
| Tell me when that's ready to go and we'll play that. | ||
| Well, you've got the same thing. | ||
| We've got the Discord. | ||
| We've got the Discord messages and then, oh, no, we don't have the Discord messages. | ||
| Oh, there were no Discord messages. | ||
| It's like, well, which is it? | ||
| Let's at least tell the truth here. | ||
| And that's what has been lacking this whole time. | ||
| And I don't want to get ahead of you on this, Steve, but watching, I knew that Spencer Cox was not a fan of President Trump. | ||
| I knew he was not a fan of Turning Point. | ||
| And then people are texting me saying, Spencer Cox dislikes Charlie Kirk almost as much as he dislikes Trump. | ||
| And then to see my friend, Charlie Kirk says this and he says this. | ||
| I mean, it's okay, but I don't want to disrupt. | ||
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I don't want to disrupt the investigation. | |
| I don't want to disrupt the efforts. | ||
| And I was so glad when you brought up the hypocrisy there. | ||
| When he gets on and says, Charlie Klerk said some inflammatory things. | ||
| I was talking to my wife and I said, yeah, Christ is king is what is most inflammatory. | ||
| And that's what he said right before he was shot. | ||
| Christ is king and God is overall. | ||
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I mean, if that's inflammatory, and it is in this world, then we know what we're talking about. | |
| We're talking about good versus evil. | ||
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And that's, you know, you have to step forward. | |
| And that's what these kids, I mean, these kids are like flocking to turning point now. | ||
| They're flocking to church. | ||
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I've had many, many calls from College A's kids saying, I want to do something. | |
| They were inspired by Charlie Kirk. | ||
| And if I can just cut me off if I'm going too far. | ||
| But one of the things that was really, really, really present to me. | ||
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I looked and I saw, and I thought, I didn't know the condition of Charlie Kirk, but I thought this is probably bad. | |
| Went down when I got closer and running into the kids, and they're like, Yeah, I saw what I saw. | ||
| The tragedy of that was the 3,000 innocent children, mostly innocent children, college-age kids, young people who witnessed something really, really traumatic. | ||
| And that could go either way, you know, and God is going to do something with that. | ||
| The broken hearts that are out there right now are producing miracles in the lives of these kids. | ||
| So, Charlie wanted to have a major impact on their lives, and he had a major impact, at least on the kids that were there, and so many others that are looking at this. | ||
| And so, when you take a lion like a Charlie Kirk, and Spencer Cox comes in with his little disparaging comments, the contrast, I think, is more than people can reconcile in their minds. | ||
| And they're not giving Spencer Cox the benefit of the doubt, which they shouldn't because it's dangerous. | ||
| This is the thing about bad policy and bad government: it hurts people. | ||
| It hurts people really badly. | ||
| You end up with parents who are helping their kids to transition and supporting mental illness and things like that. | ||
| And in Utah, we were the first state out there with DEI, embracing DEI to the max, embracing illegal immigration. | ||
| I love what President Trump's talking about, these RICO cases. | ||
| I hope that we can get somebody looking into some of the deals that were made here in Utah. | ||
| And I'm not talking uninformed. | ||
| I've been in the legislature for six years. | ||
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I was a county commissioner before that. | |
| These are the things that brought me into politics is to find out why do we make such bad decisions? | ||
| Why does government make decisions that hurt the people that they're intended to serve? | ||
| And this is the questions that I think this generation, you know, when they call me and they say, Hey, I wonder what I could do, I say, This is your time. | ||
| This is your generation. | ||
| The future is yours. | ||
| It's like, and honestly, it's being delivered to them, you know, in a really profound way. | ||
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You know, we talk about, you know, we talk about the idea of reverence. | |
| Reverence is standing firm and it's changing. | ||
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And Utah has a, I think Utah has a problem with this. | |
| It's like, oh, you know, being kind, being agreeable. | ||
| It's like, well, who are you kind to? | ||
| Are you kind to the downtrodden or are you kind to the people who are trying to dominate your friends and neighbors? | ||
| It's like, stand up, speak up. | ||
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This was Charlie's whole message. | |
| And it just, you know, resonated to Cox. | ||
| I called for an investigation day because Cox was the most, he's more radical than, except for his buddy Jerry Polis in Colorado and Newsome in California. | ||
| He would be in the top five most radical governors in the country with his embrace of DEI and transgender. | ||
| I remember today when I think he was doing a Zoom call and talking about his pronouns, it's all fine. | ||
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I mean, he's pushed this. | |
| And I think his administration, you know, his wife, Abby Cox, is involved in this SEL and the empathy crisis. | ||
| They've goaded this on. | ||
| This is why that whole part of it has got to be thoroughly investigated. | ||
| We've got to get to the bottom. | ||
| And today, Gateway Pundits and then Naomi Wolfada Cloud, as we're talking right here, they're putting up stories now on social media. | ||
| It looks like there were certain accounts that knew something was going to happen. | ||
| This did not come as a surprise. | ||
| It backs up Phil Lyman sitting there going, hey, a couple of girls dropped the F-bomb and they weren't afraid. | ||
| They were kind of saying, hey, suckers, you know, F you. | ||
| And there's some other people out there, which normal human reaction, even from a warrior, would be, I'm going to get out of here for a minute until I see if this is going to be a mass shooting, regroup, and then we'll think about it. | ||
| People are sitting there after a bang like that. | ||
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That sounds like gunfire, potentially like gunfire, and you see Charlie Kirk get hit, it means something. | |
| And I think you've got to get to the bottom of the entire apparatus that brought this up. | ||
| And nobody in this audience right now, I will tell you, believes that this kid, until they're shown hard evidence, is actually the guy that pulled the trigger. | ||
| Maybe he did. | ||
| But the evidence here has got to be put forward because people think that there's something much darker going on here. | ||
| Phil, we got to bounce button. | ||
| I want to have you back on because of your knowledge of the, we'll go through the videotape maybe together because it's very confusing. | ||
| And this is why I've been advocating not just to designate a terrorist organization so you can get a serious investigation going, but and don't treat it as a one-off murder or an assassination, but also you got to bring all the forces to bear here. | ||
| And we've got to get a timeline and you've got to move with alacrity to make sure that this doesn't turn into some sort of like grassy knoll, right? | ||
| And as you were saying, hey, what forest are you talking about? | ||
| What you're talking about? | ||
| Where do people go for your social media, Phil? | ||
| Where do people go to get you? | ||
| I'm on X. Probably the best spot is on X. | ||
| It's Phil underscore Lyman. | ||
| And I think that's where all of the discussion is happening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just encouraging people to ask these questions. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with asking a question of something that you observe. | ||
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And we've been conditioned to not even ask the question. | |
| And how dare you ask the question? | ||
| It's like, well, just give an answer. | ||
| And this is what I've gone through for so long in Utah. | ||
| It's like, how dare you ask that question? | ||
| Whether it's about elections or about immigration or about any water management or forest management or rain or any of the other climate issues, you cannot ask the question. | ||
| And even as a legislator, when I would ask the question of, you know, like the lieutenant governor, can we look at voter rolls? | ||
| Can we look at these things? | ||
| The answer is not, you know, we'd rather not. | ||
| It was like, how dare you? | ||
| How dare you ask a question and question the government? | ||
| In fact, that's what they said is don't question the government. | ||
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Question the doubters or doubt the doubters. | |
| And this is a different generation. | ||
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We're living in a different time. | |
| And I'm excited about the reality that people are forced to confront, I guess. | ||
| No, this is what Charlie Kirk, this is the legacy of one of the legacies of Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Phil, thank you. | ||
| I'll call you after the show and we'll get organized on this. | ||
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| Thanks, Steve. | ||
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If I can ask, if we can pull forward, bring it there, can we give President Trump's just response to saying today the terror organization? | |
| When that's ready, I'll bring in, like I said, Gateway Pundit and then Naomi Wolf independently. | ||
| They're coming. | ||
| I talked to Posto last night. | ||
| There was a lot of stuff in these Twitter feeds and others that looked very suspicious. | ||
| I think Andy No, who's done a great job of tracking this one, the big guy like a Nick Sorter putting up great information all the time on X or on Twitter, was saying, and people were, hey, they got all these accounts. | ||
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Some are being pulled down, but it seemed like it wasn't a surprise to them. | |
| Phil Lyman is a direct eyewitness right there in that thing in the building right next to him. | ||
| The two young girls, two young college students, they're not running for their life. | ||
| They're looking around at the Charlie Kirk at the turning point people scrambling and Charlie shot and they're going F you. | ||
| Just saying. | ||
| And he said there's other groups that didn't look like they were shocked at all. | ||
| And you had that one guy that said, oh, I was doing it to distract the shooter, which is a bald-faced lie. | ||
| That's sitting up jumping up and down, you know, acting like a goofball, like celebrating. | ||
| Ought to get to the bottom of all of it. | ||
| And like I said, Discord, if the guys are in Discord and they knew it, and now they're saying the guy may have confessed, they're the moral equivalent. | ||
| They're the exact equivalent of the Boston marathon bombers, the younger guys, the ones still in prison, his roommates that for a couple of days did not turn, knew it was him as soon as the footage went up and failed to tell the police. | ||
| You're an accessory after the fact. | ||
| So that's why this investigation, I hope I know it's broadening out. | ||
| And let me play this, and I'm going to bring in Dr. Bradley Thayer. | ||
| Let's go and play the clip. | ||
| Given all the that's going on with Charlotte Turk's assassination and the left-wing, left-wing violence going on, do you have plans, and actually this is a great opportunity with all these people, do you plan on designating Antifa finally a domestic terror organization? | ||
| Well, it's something I would do. | ||
| Yeah, if I have support from the people back here, I think we'd start with Pam, I think. | ||
| But I would, if you give me, I would do that 100%, and others also, by the way. | ||
| But Antifa is terrible. | ||
| Are there other groups that you can make up? | ||
| There are other groups. | ||
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| We have some pretty radical groups, and they got away with murder. | ||
| And also, I've been speaking to the Attorney General about bringing RICO against some of the people that you've been reading about that have been putting up millions and millions of dollars for agitation. | ||
| These aren't protests. | ||
| We have time. | ||
| We'll play more of it. | ||
| We'll play more of it. | ||
| He's talking right there about Portland, Oregon. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, you helped us work through a lot of the issues over the weekend about exactly this topic. | ||
| Tell us why it's very important. | ||
| The president says, hey, I'm open to do it. | ||
| If the guys around me want to do it, I want to do it, and I will do it. | ||
| Why is it important for us on Monday, the 15th of September in the year of our Lord 2025, just a couple of days after the assassination in cold blood of Charlie Kirk for us to do this, sir, to help this investigation? | ||
| Well, Steve, all thanks to you because you've been driving this hard as well. | ||
| It's so important to take these steps. | ||
| First, because it's the recognition of reality. | ||
| Terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians in pursuit of political goals. | ||
| And that's what Antifa is doing, advancing their political objective of overthrowing the constitutional republic that is the United States, conducting assassinations, inspiring other individuals to act in similar ways. | ||
| So this is a recognition of reality that Antifa is in fact a terrorist organization. | ||
| It should have been done a long time ago. | ||
| It's extremely important. | ||
| It's being done now. | ||
| Secondly, we now need to move into what is the counterterrorism strategy? | ||
| What are we going to be doing? | ||
| What are the tools that we're going to be employing against Antifa? | ||
| And this has to be, first, a whole of government response. | ||
| It's going to require everybody who was in that room in the Oval Office this afternoon. | ||
| It's also going to require the American citizenry, right? | ||
| What's often called a whole of society response to reject these guys, right? | ||
| To reject Antifa, to recognize what they are. | ||
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It's also going to require whole of government and whole of society because this is going to be like Schliemann excavating Troy, right? | |
| You're going to have to go through layer after layer after layer of this stuff to find the international and the domestic connections that are certainly present there. | ||
| International are going to be the CCP, Chinese Communist Party, and other actors. | ||
| Domestically, it's going to involve major democratic donors and law firms and major actors in the Democratic Party as well. | ||
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So it's going to require tremendous amounts of effort to do it. | |
| But it begins with this step and with the President's attention and direction to develop an effective counterterrorism strategy to roll these guys up as they need to be in order to remove their threat, | ||
| but to remove equally the bigger threat of how the Chinese Communist Party, how other really nefarious actors internationally and domestically are using their influence, hiding behind Antifa, hiding behind front organizations to undermine our constitutional republic. | ||
| Time to get this out in the open, to lift the rug, to find out what's underneath here, and to begin dealing with it and cleaning it up. | ||
| And as Tate stressed, remember from last week, right, when you begin to put pressure on this, you're going to be able to see that it is going to fracture, I think, pretty clearly. | ||
| But equally, it's going to be alarming to the American people to see how this occurred, how they were able to do it so effectively, and really the cavalcade of bad actors, evil actors who are behind Antifa and supporting it, allowing its recruitment, allowing its communication, directing it, and providing its training. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, we got to bounce. | ||
| Where do people go? | ||
| I know you've been writing about this and talking about this. | ||
| Where do people go to get your thoughts on this topic? | ||
| Steve, everybody can reach me at Brad Thayer on X or Bradley Thayer at Getter and Truth. | ||
| And thanks so much, Steve, for advancing this along. | ||
| No, Dr. Thayer, the intellectual, you did the heavy intellectual lift. | ||
| So thank you, sir. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
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| Dr. Bradley Thayer. | ||
| He's absolutely correct. | ||
| And you've got to get down to the layers. | ||
| It's not the first level. | ||
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They got to color code it. | |
| You know, I made a film about this. | ||
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I made a film about this in 2012. | |
| Andrew Breitbart was actually the star of the film. | ||
| Andrew Breitbart passed away during the production of the film, but we were able to finish it. | ||
| And actually, Mark Cuban's company at the time, distribution company, put it out, and it was about back then the Occupy movement would metastasize into Antifa. | ||
| Very dangerous. | ||
| Andrew was an expert on this, as Charlie Kirk was. | ||
| So quite ironic that, what, 13 years later, we're still dealing with this. | ||
| But I think to get to the bottom of it of who the most important layer is, the financiers, the politicians, the media types, there's going to be some media folks rounded up in this. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Wait for it. | ||
| Wait for it. | ||
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There's some media people up to their neck with this revolutionary activity of trying to essentially destroy the United States of America. | |
| And what they pulled off is the assassination of one of the most important people in the country, and particularly in politics, but in his generation, the leader of his generation, and a guy who I think very potentially would have been a future president of the United States. | ||
| They knew what they were doing when they assassinated Charlie Kirk. | ||
| You just heard an eyewitness. | ||
| And now you've got Gateway Punt. | ||
| Others will be curating these stories overnight. | ||
| Tomorrow we're going to have a much more detailed presentation of this. | ||
| But there are a lot of people in that kind of radical transgender movement that were not that surprised. | ||
| And some of this LGBTQ that were not surprised at all about what happened on September 10th in the year of our Lord 2025. | ||
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