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Sept. 12, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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WarRoom Battleground EP 847: Next Man Up
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dave brat
09:02
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jack posobiec
07:51
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steve bannon
21:37
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charlie kirk
03:58
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ilhan omar
01:26
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jake tapper
00:53
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jon kahn
00:33
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unidentified
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Okay, welcome.
Thursday, 11 September, the Overlord 2025.
It is 9-11, the 24th anniversary.
We've had, so there's a lot going on.
steve bannon
The Hearst, I think, has arrived, according to the Wire Services Daily Mail and others, at an Army base.
It's going to be meeting Air Force 2.
It's going to go to Phoenix.
unidentified
There has not been announcements, I don't think, Jack, of any other of the arrangements.
I know a lot of things are up in the air.
steve bannon
They're trying to figure out what folks are going to do.
unidentified
But Charlie's remains are going to be taken by Air Force 2 back to Phoenix.
Don Jr., we'll get this up a little bit.
steve bannon
Don Jr. has been on Megan Kelly today and just threw down hard on the transgender, transgender ideology and the violence the transgender movement is bringing to America.
Netanyahu is on saying that Islamists have done this.
unidentified
So Jack, I want to step back for a second.
Not only did you write the book on humans, which is a New York Times bestseller, a war room book that we were very proud to do, and quite controversial, but you make a very logical case.
steve bannon
You go throughout history, right, and connect the dots here to the un-humans and their barbarity and how savage they are.
unidentified
You've also, I think, done more than any individual to really put forward to us Butler, which our audience prides itself.
The World Posse prides itself of being on top of every major issue and having the details and being able to get links and podcasts and tweets.
We try to inundate and flood the zone with information for people.
I think most people would say, I really don't understand Butler.
I don't have enough information that's been put out.
It seems to me there's so many striking similarities with Butler here, at least initially.
I mean, it's pretty eerie.
Was Butler used as a prototype?
I mean, we've never gotten really the FBI's, we don't know.
steve bannon
We don't know deep state involvement.
unidentified
We don't know administrative state involvement.
The FBI hasn't really been forthcoming.
The CIA hasn't been forthcoming.
The parents, you know, in buying the kid the weapon and the ammunition, the parents have never been, I don't think, even interviewed to the degree under oath to be accessories to the crime or co-conspirators.
So walk me through.
steve bannon
Doesn't it kind of shock you how similar this looks to Butler, sir?
unidentified
Well, Steve, honestly, I wish I could say it was shocking, but it's not shocking because it follows a pattern and it follows a trend.
We are now seeing a trend play out in front of our eyes.
And what you see is a profile, highly intelligent, well-planned, well-trained, well-practiced assassins, young in age, Gen Z, I could think three right off the top of my head.
Thomas Matthew Crooks, Luigi Maggioni, now this individual, so who they describe as college age.
What was Thomas Matthew Crookes?
jack posobiec
He was highly intelligent.
unidentified
He was proficient in use of a drone, proficient in use of technology that he learned while in school, scored 1,500 on his SATs, although he did not matriculate to anything other than a community college, Allegheny County Community College.
He was involved in robotics.
He was able to build bombs, although the FBI had said at the time that they were not activated.
jack posobiec
Those bombs awaited in a car that he had that completely always gets lost whenever anyone talks about this.
unidentified
And of course, he was able to do what he did, getting on top of that prone position at the Butler County Fairgrounds and then be able to take those shots at President Trump and then the rest of the crowd.
Now, what you're seeing, Steve, is a pattern of copycats.
So Luigi Maggioni becomes a copycat of Butler, and now the Charlie Kirk shooter becomes a copycat of both.
So this is a Maggione copycat.
It is a Butler copycat.
And what you're seeing is escalation.
These individuals, they look at it and they say, I can be smarter than that guy.
I can get away with it.
I can make the shot.
I can make the kill.
And then I can escape.
And I can look at their plan.
And that's what they do.
jack posobiec
They obsess over these plans, these shooters, the school shooter up in the trans school shooter at the Catholic School, Annunciation Catholic School, again, completely obsessed with various other shootings, obsessed with planning.
There is a sense of godlike ability that they believe they have in order to be able to control life itself, to get in, get out through this planning process, and will make very specific, calculated decisions to take the lives of the innocent.
unidentified
What do you think is going to be the key that picks the lock here?
They've got a weapon.
They've got some shells.
They're saying now a senior law enforcement is not refuting, but saying people don't have the whole story about the shells themselves and whether the stock of the rifle or there's transgender ideology and Antifa on it.
They've supposedly got handprint, they got shoe print, they got some video.
Cash is not coming out here for his health.
steve bannon
There must be something going on to bring the director of the FBI.
unidentified
And I think you actually said Dan Bongino may be with him.
I mean, what is your sense of where this stands?
Because we have to get this assassin and we have to get him alive.
Where it stands is this is going to happen again until these types of groups and this type of ideology is actually addressed directly at the national federal level.
If you can pull up and read Tom Tillis specifically came after you and I today.
And remember, Tom Tillis is the guy, the historic more of President Trump's efforts in the Senate.
And he's another one that's just horrible, wrong on every topic.
And we ran him out of the Senate so he knew that he couldn't even run for reelection.
A quite bitter guy.
And can you read what he said earlier today?
Steve, let me pull this up.
He was responding to comments that you and I made on the show yesterday, and I think a misreporting of those comments.
jack posobiec
But here's Tom Tillis.
unidentified
What I was really disgusted by yesterday is a couple of talking heads that seize this as an opportunity to say we're at war so that they could get some of our conservative followers lathered up over this.
It seems like a cheap, disgusting, awful way to pretend like you're a leader of a conservative movement.
And there were two in particular that I found particularly disgusting.
What does Tillis and Tillis is just the typical guy that comes out up here just trying to punch a clock and got in the way of President Trump's programs on multiple occasions?
He was told in no uncertain terms, you're not going to get an endorsement for Trump.
If you don't have an endorsement, you're going to get beat in a North Carolina primary.
So he stepped down.
What is he missing here?
What is he missing?
What are people missing when they say Jack Pesovic wrote on humans?
What are they missing about the very moment we're in?
Well, Steve, what they're missing is that the bullets are going in one direction.
jack posobiec
The bullets are hitting Charlie Kirk.
unidentified
They're hitting Donald Trump.
They're hitting CEOs on the streets of New York City.
That's Mangione.
So, yes, when we say a war has been declared, what other word would you like us to use?
jack posobiec
That is the situation.
They have stopped attempting to engage in politics as the art of discussion and debate.
unidentified
That's what Charlie stood for.
And look what they did to him.
They couldn't outdebate him, so they did this.
So when we say that's a weapon of warfare, you're absolutely right, because that is what warfare is.
jack posobiec
That is when one side stops talking and begins diplomacy by other means, as they say in international politics.
unidentified
Look, they've debanked people, they deplatformed them, they've sent them to prison, they tried to bankrupt them.
They, with President Trump, 700 years, Tillis and these guys just stood by.
steve bannon
By the way, I am not a conservative.
unidentified
I say that all the time.
steve bannon
I am not a conservative.
unidentified
You know why?
steve bannon
Because people like Tillis are conservatives, and those wimps are the reason the country's in the shape it's in, right?
unidentified
They get votes, they get elected, they raise a ton of money, and they come to D.C., and all they do is just go along to get along, you know, getting business with the lobbyists, getting business with all, you know, big pharma, Wall Street, all of it.
You don't really have a career.
You're just a sponge up here.
No, we're at war.
Not a war that we wanted.
This award's been declared on a populist nationalist movement, on the President of Trump movement.
steve bannon
And you can see in every law fair, bankruptcy.
unidentified
And actually, as I said, it's going to go to assassinations.
I went to that semaphore conference in when it was in the spring.
And at semaphore, I said, look, unless there's some changes here, you're going to have this left.
They're so radicalized and they're so violent, and no one will do anything about it that they're going to kill and kill again.
And now they've assassinated Charlie Kirk.
Let's play, do we have the Jake Tapper?
I know you got to bounce.
So Jack is going to be on Laura Ingram tonight.
steve bannon
I want to make sure everybody tunes in to Laura.
unidentified
But can we play the – do we have the Jake Tapper?
steve bannon
Okay, let's go and play it.
jake tapper
A bit of what we heard from prominent voices in conservative media reacting to the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
unidentified
The most important voices that we've had in my lifetime on the right.
We're going to pick up that bloodstained microphone where Charlie left it.
steve bannon
But we have to have Steely Resolve, right?
unidentified
Charlie Kirk's a casualty of war.
We're in this country.
We are.
You just heard Steve Bannon say that Charlie Kirk was a, quote, casualty of war.
On today's New York Times podcast, The Daily, you said, quote, Kirk was, in a sense, killed in the line of duty, unquote.
jake tapper
How do you see his death influencing the conservative movement?
unidentified
Because, boy, there are a lot of people in the conservative movement who are not only hurt, not only upset, but really angry.
And I'm not saying they shouldn't be, but like really, you really just see it tangibly.
jake tapper
They're very mad.
unidentified
I think you're right, Jake.
And I don't think there's any reason, there's nothing that would indicate to us that the conservative movement will cool its passions as a result of this assassination.
I don't think that this is going to stir a kind of unifying theme.
To the extent that there's any unity, it will be unity against the left.
And we have seen, you know, from the really from the moment his assassination was confirmed, people using third-person plural, they, they did this to Charlie Kirk in the way that we heard frequently after the assassination attempt on Trump and Butler.
So they're viewing this, the conservatives are, as an us versus them moment.
Jack Bosobic, your thoughts.
steve bannon
Draper's one of the smartest writers they've got over the New York Times.
unidentified
Your thoughts and observations, sir.
jack posobiec
Well, it's incredible, Steve.
unidentified
All these people want to do is talk about the conservative movement, the conservative movement, the conservative movement.
Where's any talk about the shooter?
Where's any talk about the person pulling the trigger or the person who pulled the trigger in New York City on the street of an innocent man?
Or the person who pulled the trigger in Butler, Pennsylvania, or the person who was attempting to pull the trigger down in West Palm Beach, who, by the way, is still going on trial right now.
No discussion.
jack posobiec
No discussion about the political assassinations and assassination attempts that have taken place.
unidentified
It's the conservative rhetoric.
jack posobiec
Oh, gosh, the rhetoric.
Look, we can have a country where we have debate, or we can have a country where we have this.
unidentified
And unfortunately, what do I see are people, people who know a lot better, and people like Jake Tapper, by the way, who have encouraged political violence in the past.
I haven't forgotten, Jake, are sitting there acting like it's not happening.
You've had in Nashville, you had the transgender radical that wrote, she wrote a manifesto.
Michael Patrick Leahy, what, two years later, we still don't have the whole thing.
steve bannon
You've had the situation in Minneapolis where the young guy, you know, actually went into the stained glass windows aiming at the church pews to take out as many kids as possible as quickly as possible with, I think, 115 rounds.
unidentified
Those kind of, you know, those have already been forgotten about the left.
steve bannon
The right and the decent people in this country are now target practice for these radicals.
unidentified
And it's not stopping.
And it's not going to stop until you stop it.
You can tell that.
This boldness, Charlie Kirk, at a noon, at the lunch hour at Utah Valley University, with, I don't know, 4,000 or 5,000 kids just piling in there to see him doing what Charlie Kirk does at least like once a week at one of these universities and put out there weeks in advance so people know about it.
That's how you get the 5,000 kids and doing what he's doing.
If you watch the whole video, he's tossing the hats.
He's going around shaking hands.
He's signing ball caps.
He's taking selfies.
He's doing what Charlie Kirk does every workday of his life.
And then he goes and does prove me wrong, where he's he's and he lets the people disagree with him come up to the front of the line.
steve bannon
He's with an upbeat, you know, Charlie always had that kind of glint in his eye, right?
unidentified
That smile on his face, doing what he does best, and he's gunned down in cold blood, assassinated in front of the entire world, and then they mock it and they ridicule it on social media, and they say how great it is and how Charlie deserved it, right?
Any talk of that right now?
steve bannon
They're coming.
unidentified
I never hear the word assassination.
They treat it like it was an accident.
They treated it like it was, you know, like you got into a car accident or something.
Like it, like, oh, it's so sad, but, you know, these things happen.
It wasn't an accident.
It was deliberate.
This was the deliberate killing, assassination, murder of our friend, Steve.
The deliberate assassination.
And that needs to be discussed because assassinations have assassins.
And assassins, a lot of the time, do not work alone.
And all of this needs to be discussed.
But CNN, who by the way, used to be a fantastic breaking news network, they don't want to do that.
jack posobiec
They want to talk about the conservative rhetoric.
unidentified
All right, you want to talk about rhetoric?
Let's go talk about the rhetoric that I see on Blue Sky right now, the people celebrating this.
Let's go look at all the TikToks of the people celebrating this.
The people in government, the people in positions of power, the people in business who are celebrating this.
jack posobiec
Let's go talk about that because you're not seeing it.
By the way, Steve, I'm seeing this video right now that just passed on my inbox that it looks like Phoenix Sky Harbor, the executive terminal, a crew of, so a hearse was just seen going in, and then a crew of, looked like security, heavily armed presents.
unidentified
And right behind all of them was a team of bagpipers.
A team of bagpipers walking in to the Phoenix executives, the executive terminal at the Sky Harbor.
As everybody knows, Charlie Kirk always started every show with the bagpipes of a Scotsman.
Charlie Kirk, as a Kirk, I remember on the bagpipes, every time we'd go to break, I'd say, man, I love that opening of yours.
I love those bagpipes.
Very touching, very classy.
Hopefully you get some footage of that.
This has been kind of under wraps.
Jack Pesobic, I know you got to go get ready for your Fox interview tonight with Laura Ingram.
Where can people get you?
steve bannon
I know you're not putting up a lot today, but your Twitter feed is the Associated Press of the MAGA movement.
unidentified
People stay on there because they want to know what's going on.
Where can people go?
And I take it, you're going to do also Charlie Kirk's show tomorrow, the noon show.
Tomorrow, we're going to, I'm going to be heading out to Arizona to meet with the team, to be with everybody.
And the goal, the hope, the hope at least tomorrow, is that we can all come together, all of us, the four guys who did the shows with him every day.
You know, Thursday was usually the day that we would get together for a big group show.
And so we're doing that now tomorrow on Friday.
Sans won.
So we'll do that tomorrow.
By the way, those streams, either on election nights or special events, will go all hours and you guys were just going to be able to do it.
jack posobiec
But I do want to say one thing, Steve.
unidentified
I do want to say one thing, that we are going to leave one seat empty tomorrow.
And everybody knows whose seat that is.
Perfect.
Jack Pisobic, we'll see you tomorrow.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Go get ready for your Fox interview.
unidentified
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Want everybody to watch that tonight, Jack Pisobic, Jack Pisovic, and Laura Ingram.
unidentified
Guys did such a spectacular job today, starting on the war room at 10 o'clock in the morning, Eastern Daylight Time.
Of course, a lot earlier out here.
We're going to actually remain in Utah tomorrow.
I think there may be a couple of three things happening with this, with the assassin.
I think it's very important to get this put to bed.
Kash Patel, and I believe Dan Bongru is on the way here.
steve bannon
We just heard it's on his feet.
unidentified
And if we can play that after we get back from break, looks like Air Force 2 may have landed in Phoenix Sky Harbor at the FBI over there, the FBO, the executive, the executive part of the airport.
And looks like Charlie Kirk's remains are being transferred now.
And so we're going to probably go to, we'll probably go to Arizona tomorrow afternoon or tomorrow night, et cetera.
It looks like we're going to do the Saturday show from Arizona, and we'll figure out exactly where that is if everything takes place and if this investigation gets put to bed.
Like I said, Kash Patel and Dan Bondini are on the way out.
steve bannon
Let me go to Dave Bratt.
unidentified
Dave, I want to bring you in to respond to, I don't know if you heard Tom Tillis, his comments about how adamant we've been in not backing down here with the left taking target practice essentially from President Trump to Charlie Kirk.
I mean, think about it.
It's still tough to comprehend that we're preparing for the mortal remains of Charlie Kirk for a service and a funeral and a burial just that's happened in the last 24 hours because of this increasing violence from the left.
Don Jr., we'll play that in a second.
Don Jr. went off on it and Megan Kelly, of course, are in total meltdown.
Your thoughts about this, sir?
Yeah, well, what triggered me in your last conversation when you brought up the issue of are we at war?
And, you know, earlier today, you know, we had a good discussion on the early show.
And, you know, there is a war against God that's continual every day within every person.
But it's broader than that.
dave brat
When you see the left on the streaming, right, all the streaming stuff out there, they're rejoicing over the death of Charlie Kirk.
They're jumping up and down with joy.
unidentified
And there's just a demonic look on the faces.
And that's what strikes me, to say that there's a war, that's an understatement.
dave brat
That's just obvious, right?
unidentified
And the points I raised this morning, the problem is with the Christian majority in this country and other people of goodwill who are allowing our kids to be educated in the K-12 system and the university system with no ethics, no morality, and you're paying for it, right?
dave brat
We're supposed to have a right to freedom and liberty.
unidentified
There's no right when they take 40% of your income out of your pocket and force you to buy what the left wants.
That is not liberty.
And I didn't want to get into technical details, but I'm just going to bring it up because it's important.
dave brat
Go back and read your old Johnny Locke, John Locke, way back, you know, 1600s.
unidentified
There's this thing called tacit consent.
He had to do some juggling, right?
Some logical, constitutional, pre-constitutional juggling for, you know, all Americans really aren't voting for these things called taxes.
We're not really voting for the military.
Your individual vote, you don't have a say in it.
So how did Johnny Locke overcome it?
dave brat
He came up with this thing called tacit consent.
unidentified
And that means, you know, in a Republican government, you know, the fact that you've kind of gone along with a majority government, a Republican government, you're kind of going along with it.
But that was just for the basic rights of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
Today, the left is overwhelming us with a swamp, right?
We're running wars all over the place.
We got 450,000 missing girls and boys that are being prostituted, raped, trafficked.
And the majority is running roughshod over our rights.
dave brat
So, to ask the question, is there a war going on?
unidentified
I mean, oh my word, that's an understatement.
Of course, we're at war.
Anything that violates God's will, right?
God's will is very simple in the New Testament, Jesus: love God with all your heart, might, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.
Everything I just said is the antithesis of that.
That's a war against God, against Christ, against the two great commands, against your neighbor, the hate and the vitriol in this country.
And if conservatives ever rejoice in the death of anyone on the left, I'll call them out as well, right?
That's sick.
But I have not seen that.
This is asymmetric warfare from the left.
It's very clear.
They don't want the Constitution.
They don't have a morality.
They can name, seriously, right?
Name one philosopher of the left, right?
And they're a bunch of sickos, right?
Foucault, Rorty, these sickos, these deconstructionists who are ruining everything we believe, right?
Our Reno has the great book, Return of the Strong Gods.
Everyone ought to read that thing.
They're taking away everything we hold dear, all of our strong loves, all of our strong desires, the love of God, the love of country, the love of church, the love of family.
All of it's been destroyed.
And to say we're not at war, I mean, you got to be kidding me.
And that doesn't mean we hate, but we're at war.
Dave, hang on.
You're going to hold with me.
Breaking news: the Naval Academy is on lockdown.
There's reports from the South and Arundel County News that three people have been shot.
We'll get details of the break.
But the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, on lockdown with an active shooter reported to be three people, three individuals already shot.
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When I knew you were coming on today to talk about the War Powers Resolution, I actually thought, sadly, there is no more appropriate Democratic guest than to talk about Charlie Koch, the new, because you were also on the kill list that this guy allegedly had this summer who was obviously killed a former speaker of the Minnesota House and her husband and injured two others.
And I just think to myself, how cynical is it for big name figures on the right, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, many others, Nancy Mace yesterday saying this is a Democratic Party problem, as if people like you are not getting death threats all the time, credible ones.
I mean, it's actually disgusting.
And, you know, it reminds you that although these people pretend to be adults, that they are sometimes, you know, they think a lot less than even children do when it comes to compassion, when it comes to thoughtfulness, when it comes to being a leader.
You know, I did expect the president's address to the nation would have been a lot more compassionate-filled.
It would have been less partisan.
He doesn't even know who the assassin is for him to say-wing lunatic.
I think it kind of denigrated his status and the status of the office he holds.
But what I do know for sure is that, you know, Charlie was someone who once said, you know, guns save lives after a school shooting.
Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd in the hands of Minneapolis police.
I think he called him a scumbag.
ilhan omar
Right.
unidentified
Have no regard.
Downplay slavery and what black people have gone through in this country by saying Juneteen should never exist.
I can only take Somalians lecturing American citizens so much.
I don't know.
This is another thing about playing petticoat.
steve bannon
I don't know why she's not out of the country.
unidentified
But her brother, who is her husband, I don't know, man.
It's too perverse by half, but it's got to be dealt with.
So I'm lost at sea about why she is even in this country, much less in Congress.
But that's the way people roll.
You got to enforce the laws.
So if we're not adjudicating that and investigating that, I don't know what we're doing.
This lockdown at the Naval Academy, there's early reporting that it might be a midshipman who was basically rolled out of the academy, got angry, came back with a gun, and was pretending to be a military policeman, went door to door.
I don't know, had that magnificent, it has some of the magnificent halls there, particularly where the main barracks is.
It's absolutely stunning, one of the most beautiful places in the country.
There's a headline right there.
steve bannon
As soon as we can get some news clips, I want to play this.
unidentified
Active shooter at the United States Naval Academy, supposedly a former or a midshipman who just got rolled out coming back.
steve bannon
Dave Bratt, right there with Omar.
I mean, you got the whole left, right?
unidentified
Here's Charlie Kirk's assassinated in cold blood.
And they are gleefully, gleefully dancing on his grave.
And I thought the president's comments the other night were very, very, very appropriate.
And remember, the twisted left, this had to be the lead story in the Daily Mail early in the day.
The twisted left made this huge deal that was artificial intelligence, that Trump didn't actually address the nation because of some glitch in the, I don't know if it was 8K or 5K or whatever, some glitch in the video.
They were making the case that this was, that Trump couldn't actually sit through and do a four or five minute speech to the nation.
steve bannon
He had to have artificial intelligence to it.
unidentified
But I thought his response was absolutely dead spot on.
steve bannon
Perfect.
unidentified
He said he's got to get the perpetrators and everybody associated with it, bring them to justice quickly.
And then talked about where we are as a country, which is we're very divided.
And the left only talks about unity when they're losing.
As soon as they start losing, either losing the narrative or losing politically, all of a sudden they want to unite.
steve bannon
They want to bring the country together.
They want everybody to come together only when they're losing.
Did you see them looking for any unity after they stole the 2020 election?
Do you remember the unity talk?
unidentified
Where's the unity talk?
When they went after, they said the J6 guys were the worst, the biggest investigation in FBI history, when they said all these white nationalists all over the place are the number one terrorist threat in the country, when they were throwing people out because of their social media out of the military, when they threw people out of businesses, out of schools, everything for the mass mandates that we know were bald-faced lies, bald-faced lies, not even close.
Did you remember any unity?
steve bannon
Did they say, let's bring the country together?
unidentified
We want the Trump story.
We want to unify.
Let us come reason together.
Do you remember that?
steve bannon
No, the reason you don't remember, it didn't happen.
unidentified
They had their jack boot on your neck.
And guess what?
We dusted ourselves off because we're an anti-fragile movement, as Charlie Kirk so brilliantly said at a few minutes to high noon on the 1st of July, 2024, when I was carted off to a federal prison, okay?
Which they hoped that I would get killed in that prison.
These people are demonic.
Do you remember?
Dave Bratt, was the unity talk there?
steve bannon
Were you being unified?
unidentified
Were they saying, let's reason together?
No.
They are dictators.
They're not authoritarians.
They're dictators.
It's the Marxists.
And right there, you see it with Omar and the host.
It's the Marxists.
It's the neo-Marxists and the radical jihadist sir.
Yeah, no, that's absolutely correct.
And her critique falls on its face within a sentence.
dave brat
I mean, she's critiquing the president for calling a murderer and a butcher some name.
unidentified
And she says that's not dignified.
Are you kidding me?
That's being polite.
And so, you know, Congresswoman Omar, I mean, I want to know what is your ethics?
What ethical system do you believe in?
dave brat
Do you believe in Islam?
unidentified
Do you believe in Sharia law?
dave brat
I mean, everybody needs to know this kind of thing.
unidentified
And our Jewish friends, I got some rabbis commenting on the side today in a very positive way, but I'm not hearing the public figures coming out, right?
On the left, you got leftist front groups in the Jewish community, but we need to hear the Orthodox and the conservative Jewish friends come out and make some bold statements in public about this murder and that this is asymmetric, right?
This is asymmetric warfare, right?
dave brat
The conservative, you know, Steve, you said you're you don't want to be identified as a conservative.
unidentified
Yeah, I beat Kanner and all that, so I certainly share that sentiment, but I'm a Christian first and foremost.
So there's that element of conservative to it.
And the speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, had a memo today on 9-11, whatever.
And it's kind of like, well, you know, we're going to grow through this pain or whatever.
The American people are sick of growing through this pain.
And the same thing holds for the leader on the Senate side, Thune.
dave brat
You know, no, you guys need to act like conservatives.
unidentified
Conservatives believe in God Almighty, right?
The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, and Jesus Christ.
And if you believe in that God, you believe in the God of justice, right?
God disciplined his own chosen people, Israel, for a hundred years, threw them in the desert for 400 years.
He's throwing us in the desert right now.
dave brat
We're in the desert.
Where do you think we are?
unidentified
Right?
Are you kidding me?
And so, Mike Thune, get on the ball, right?
dave brat
The people are dying for leadership.
unidentified
They will follow.
That's what Charlie Kirk did.
He just yelled out to the young men and they listened and they responded.
And if you cry out to God, right, which is what we're supposed to be doing, Israel has not been crying out to God enough either, right?
And we haven't either.
And so, you know, I'm an equal opportunity theologian.
We are not getting it right.
dave brat
The education in this country, no one even knows what it is, right?
unidentified
And so we need to get back to our first principles, back to the founders.
And Charlie Kirk was just the exemplar, tying the Christian tradition together with the founding, with our liberties.
Our liberties are being annihilated right now.
dave brat
Liberty is probably the key, you know, civic, secular virtue in our society, right?
unidentified
It should be God, right?
The Catholics and the Protestants believe the reason we're on the earth is to glorify God, right?
But in the secular realm, the political realm, the chief virtue is liberty.
And yeah, for a congresswoman Omar to lecture us about liberty, can you name one country associated with your beliefs that has free people?
I mean, it's like the Chinese lecture to us about liberty.
It's absurd on its face.
And our scholars, our universities, President Trump is doing yeoman's work going after the universities.
I'm taking heat from some people.
Oh, my word, the research funding and all this.
Hey, you know, research is great.
I love it.
But the first and foremost job of the university is to pursue truth.
We had a few people that did that, right?
Socrates trained in Plato.
Plato trained in Aristotle.
And the rest is all a footnote until you get to Jesus.
dave brat
Plato taught us about the ascent of the soul.
unidentified
And that ascent, he couldn't finish the story.
And Jesus Christ finished the story, right?
The ascent to God when God comes back because he loves us.
You will not find that in any other tradition.
God loves us.
He shared his own son.
What a story, Omar.
Please join us.
Yeah.
Dave, hang on one second.
I want to replay what we started the show with and get your comments on this.
This was Charlie Kirk at I think His Very Best.
steve bannon
It was right before I went to prison.
unidentified
And Charlie Kirk lays out the entire philosophy, but particularly talks about assassination and Next Man Up.
So let's go.
Can we go ahead and play that?
Yeah.
You have to translate to action.
steve bannon
Listen, they think they have this theory that if they take out Trump and they get Tucker Carlson fired and they liquidate Alex Jones and they keep MTG off committees for a first term in Congress, unheard of, if they take away the law license of Rudy Giuliani and bankrupt one of the greatest men of this country, if they bankrupt the Hoffs over a gateway pundit and John Eastman,
unidentified
I can go down and down and down and get parents to go into school boards intimidated if they can go take the little Catholic churches, the Latin Mass Catholic churches, and intimidate them.
If we just sit there and say, oh, woe is me, then we lose.
We're winning.
steve bannon
We're ascended.
unidentified
This movement's getting bigger every day.
Look at why did Joe Biden roll the dice and want to debate President Trump on Thursday, five months before the campaign, simply because he's so far down.
He's so far behind because African Americans, Hispanics, Asian Americans, people under 29 years old, everybody is coming to MAGA, two-thirds of the country to MAGA, and they're coming because they understand that this is about taking their country back and stopping this invasion, stopping the forever war, stopping the madness on Capitol Hill.
steve bannon
Our movement's ascended.
unidentified
They think if they can decapitate that and do it with 50 negative pieces on Charlie Kirk and turning points terrible, and trust me, Charlie Kirk's going to get an IRS investigation.
They're already, you know, I'm sure going after Charlie Kirk in every different aspect.
If we act like we're intimidated, they're going to win.
Here's why I'm so look.
Would I rather not spend the next four months there?
Of course not.
But it is what it is.
And here's what I know: my team and our audience will step up to the plate.
steve bannon
That's why next man up, because this is a 20-year project to take our country back.
unidentified
A lot of us are not going to be around in a couple of years.
steve bannon
President Trump is 78 years old and had the burden of the world put on him, including being not just a company strip, but in a couple of weeks, he's going to be sentenced to prison.
Donald Trump, who gave us three and a half, four years of peace and prosperity as president.
unidentified
This is how out of control it is.
Oh, what she's doing is she's trying to get out the visual and the idea of assassinating Donald Trump.
This is where this is headed.
charlie kirk
I hope everyone understands whether it be Julius Caesar, yeah, Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., Bobby Kennedy, the assassinations of major political leaders are nothing new.
unidentified
And yet we've kind of been immune to that for a couple of decades.
We have been warning about this for months.
Now, the very interesting question is: will they try to kill Joe Biden or Donald Trump?
charlie kirk
That's the interesting question.
unidentified
Which one right now is a bigger threat to them?
And I'll let the audience kind of ruminate on that question.
But we've been warning about this for quite some months.
This is why the next man up philosophy is so important and why we wanted to do the show with you, Steve, as a show of force: is that you take one out, 100 more appear.
charlie kirk
You take one out, a thousand more appear.
You take one out, 10,000 more appear.
You take one out, we give more money.
unidentified
You take one out, we register more voters.
You take one out, is that it only actually makes us stronger.
You see, there are three different ways to analyze political movements or to categorize them.
There are the fragile, the durable, and the anti-fragile.
This is from Nassim Taleb, which is a phenomenal book.
charlie kirk
The fragile.
unidentified
The fragile is the Mitt Romney Republican Party.
That is the Paul Ryan Republican Party.
charlie kirk
You say one bad word about them, they collapse, they bend a knee, they surrender, and they're relentlessly apologizing, and they're spineless.
Then there is the durable.
The durable is the best of the conservative movement prior to Donald Trump.
unidentified
That would be the conservative movement that always held on and they put up a good point fight, had some fortitude, but didn't quite have enough to be able to endure the grind or the slog of the activist regime media.
And then there is the anti-fragile.
I encourage everyone to read the book Anti-Fragile.
In the book Anti-Fragile, Nassim Taleb argues that there are unique people, organizations, movements, restaurants, companies that actually get stronger the more pressure and opposition that is applied upon them.
And when you find an anti-fragile movement, that their life force is actually what ends up being opposition.
charlie kirk
That is Donald Trump.
unidentified
Has anyone noticed that Donald Trump looks younger, stronger, more full of life and vitality after the indictments than before the indictments?
charlie kirk
It gives him purpose, reason of being.
It gives him a telos, as the Greekers would say, or a teleological purpose for existence.
This movement that we are part of right now, that historians will write about for the next 1,000 years.
Let me say that again.
unidentified
This movement that you are part of will be written about for the next millennia.
People do not remember the many movements from 400 or 500 years ago, maybe a little bit here, English Revolution or whatever.
This movement will be written about for 1,000 years.
And when the history books are written, it will befuddle historians 600, 700, 800 years from now.
Why is it that the people that had so much to lose, the Steve Bannons, the Peter Navarros, the Donald Trumps, they kept on doubling and tripling down because full of fortitude and that resolute spirit, we have the chance to influence the arc of history, as the left-winger Hegelians would always say.
charlie kirk
The arc of history always bends towards justice.
unidentified
How about this?
charlie kirk
The ark of history will bend back towards citizen-led government, not subjects, not slaves.
unidentified
And we will use this dark moment as they cart you off tomorrow, Steve, and put you in handcuffs and we say goodbye for 123 days.
charlie kirk
For 123 days, I will work harder than I ever have my entire life.
This is repulsive.
This is disgusting.
unidentified
It is outrageous.
And it is a call to action for every citizen watching right now to do more.
You are not doing enough.
I am not doing enough because one of our on-field commanders is getting taken off for 123 days.
What are we going to do about it?
That was incredible right off the top of his head.
Dave Bratt, I mean, it doesn't get better than that.
steve bannon
He goes through all of it.
unidentified
And to think of the irony that here we are after Trump, Charlie and his organization was so elemental in the victory in 2024 that nine months into this victory, with his whole future ahead of him, cut down by an assassin's bullet in Utah.
And by the way, Daylamo and others of wire services are saying they're closing in on the killer.
steve bannon
They have a name, Cash Braton.
unidentified
I think Dan Borgino heading out here.
We got about two minutes.
Dave, closing thoughts on Charlie Kirk's really prescient comments.
Well, you're not going to improve on that.
What he just said, though, in my Calvinist strain, we got this thing called predestination, but my Catholic wife just sent me a text which is timely and shows the full providence of God, as you always say.
DNI Tulsi Gambard releases powerful statement following Charlie Kirk's assassination.
Dash calls it the very definition of terrorism.
So there is a former Democrat, a very good person.
This assassination is the very definition of terrorism.
It's meant to inflict psychological pain and fear into the American people.
That's what's going on.
So when you open the show about a war and when Charlie's going off on we're at a war, it couldn't be any more apparent.
We're just warming up, right?
We're not even getting into the CIA, FBI, color revolution, 70 coup d'états over the last 60 years.
dave brat
We could go on and on and on.
The evidence is going to come out on this thing.
It's not a pretty world.
unidentified
Christians know better, but we want to ignore it.
dave brat
We want to ignore that hard message that life ain't pretty and the church needs to wake up and start fighting a fight and dig in and follow the example of the great Charlie Kirk.
unidentified
Just a good man of virtue and faith, and that will make all the difference.
Take the road less traveled.
A good and decent man, cut down in the even before the prime of life.
Just incredible.
Everything accomplished.
Dave will see you tomorrow.
steve bannon
Dave Bratt.
unidentified
Yep.
steve bannon
All comments and opinions are his own.
unidentified
Dave Bratt, thank you.
Thank you for co-anchoring today.
I want to thank Jack Basobic, the entire team, Andrew and Tyler over at the turning point.
Those folks are under tremendous pressure, as you can imagine.
Right, one change.
steve bannon
I don't think Charlie's remains have arrived at Sky Harbor.
I think they're preparing for it.
That's what getting organized and having the bagpipe.
So we'll, throughout the night, we'll keep you updated.
unidentified
We're going to see you back here tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
You'll be in the war room on Real America's Voice.
After that, the Charlie Kirk show and then Jack Besobic's Human Events Daily.
See you tomorrow morning, 10 a.m.
steve bannon
We're going to leave you with the right stuff.
unidentified
Charlie Kirk had it in spades.
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